Charlie Kirk's Legacy: A Nation Transformed by Political Violence

The assassination of Charlie Kirk has triggered a profound cultural and spiritual awakening across America, with conservatives recognizing the fundamental differences in values that can no longer be ignored. This tragedy serves as a catalyst for a nationwide revival, from surging church attendance to an explosion of interest in Turning Point USA, where 58,000 new membership applications signal a youth movement ready to carry forward Kirk's legacy.

• Political violence becoming normalized in America while the right and left respond very differently to tragedy
• Self-doxing individuals who celebrated Kirk's death face consequences from employers and organizations
• Military returning to stricter grooming standards as part of broader disciplinary reset
• Charlie Kirk's advocacy for Sabbath rest gaining traction as people seek balance and peace
• Turning Point USA experiencing explosive growth with 37,000 applications to start new chapters
• Global response includes demonstrations across Europe and a two million person gathering in England
• Return to personal pride and discipline through simple daily habits can transform individual outlook
• DOD taking aggressive action against drug cartels bringing fentanyl into the country
• Finding hope in the good that can come from tragedy through commitment to faith and dialogue

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Elsa Kurt: You may know her for her uncanny, viral Kamala Harris impressions & conservative comedy skits, but she’s also a lifelong Patriot & longtime Police Wife. She has channeled her fierce love and passion for God, family, country, and those who serve as the creator, Executive Producer & Host of the Elsa Kurt Show with Clay Novak. Her show discusses today’s topics & news from a middle class/blue collar family & conservative perspective. The vocal LEOW’s career began as a multi-genre author who has penned over 25 books, including twelve contemporary women’s novels.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
It's the Elsa Kirk Show, with Clay Novak serving up
trending news and conservativeviews Brought to you by the Elsa
Kirk Collection and RefugeMedical.
And now it's time for the show.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Oh, Clay, it's been a week.
How are you doing, my friend?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I am good and you know I got a couple folks.
Just a reminder you know, lastweek we did a very short show.
Comparatively, we did the 30minutes.
It was right after we had foundout about Charlie Kirk and you
know, elsa and I decided to do ashorter version of our show,
dedicated only to him and reallywhat had happened.
But also, um, we released itthat night, that Wednesday night

(00:49):
.
I don't know about you, but Igot more personal messages from
people after our show and evenit, people thanking us for what
we did, uh, and also, you know,commiserating with us in the
aftermath.
So thanks to all the viewersand listeners out there for that
immediate response.

(01:10):
You know, elson and I struggledwith what we were going to do,
how we were going to do it, whenwe were going to do it, and I
know what I got.
I don't know what you got, butwhat I got after the show was
reassuring you and I made theright decision.
I just want to tell everybodythank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, absolutely, and I'm so grateful to you, clay,
because we are not, we are justby nature.
I'm so appreciative that we areboth of the same mindset.
You know I've never consideredmyself a, even though we talk
about news.
So I know this soundscontradictory.
I don't consider myself a newspersonality, I'm just, you know,

(01:46):
a commentator.
I guess you know I don't reallyknow what the heck to call
myself much of the time, but Iknow that I have never liked
that piranha culture that yousee in media all the time time.

(02:09):
And I know there are many, manynews sources that will hop on
air and stay on air for 24 hoursif they could and just keep
talking it and talking it, andtalking it.
And, to be perfectly honest, Isimply emotionally could not.
I mean, I don't think anybodyneeded to sit there and see me
blubbering nonstop, which isreally all it would have been
Barely got through the 30minutes that we did.
Clay, you were so gracious andgood to just kind of keep that

(02:32):
all on track and keep it moving.
And yeah, I mean it is.
You know, I just made a videoabout it today, just discussing
the aftermath, the you know thegeneral sentiment of people who
care, basically, and how it has.

(02:54):
I feel that this event hasdeeply changed me.
It's it's in good ways you knowbad ways, of course but also in
good ways.
And I knew, I knew that wasgoing to happen for a lot of
people.
I knew that this would kind oflight the fire under people and,

(03:15):
of course, erica's Erica Kirk'sspeech was truly igniting of a,
you know, as she said, a battlecry for not just Christians you
know, believers obviouslythat's a huge part but just
conservative, quietconservatives.

(03:35):
And this was the wake up call Ithink the harshest of wake-up
calls that we could ever have tosay man, oh man, we are not the
same.
We are not the same with thesepeople and it's time to stop
playing and I use that wordloosely playing as if we are the

(03:58):
same, that we have the samegoals.
And there was a long period oftime where I would say and I
know a lot of people still saythis that you know, I think at
the core we really have the samevalues and the same beliefs.
We just go about it indifferent ways.
And there are certainly thereare people, you know, that you
could say that about and to andwith, but collectively.

(04:20):
We are not the same.
We do not have the same endgoals in mind, and it's time to
stop pretending that we do.
Yeah, yeah, that's kind ofwhere I'm at right now.
How about you?

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, so just folks.
I know that Charlie Kirk hasbeen at the top of everybody's
news feed for a week.
By the way, it's Wednesday.
It's 430-ish on the East Coast.
Elsa and I are back to ournormal recording time, but you
know we're going to talk about.
A significant portion of theshow is going to be what's

(04:54):
happened in the last week beyondthe actual assassination of
Charlie Kirk, the aftermath andthings that have happened on the
fringes.
So not that I would ever tellanybody to turn us off, but I do
understand.
We've talked about fatigue, anormal time, a number of times
Elsa and I have on this show.
So if you have fatigue abouteverything that's going on, this

(05:16):
is such a sensitive topic thatif you're done, if you're in
that mode of where I just can'tdo this tonight or I can't do
this, you know, right now, thenplease step away.
The last thing we want to do isupset anybody.
But we are going to talk aboutwhat's happened since and you
know we're going to kick it offtalking about, you know, the
normalization of politicalviolence that's happening, you

(05:37):
know, in this country.
I know I've seen a lot and Iyou know a lot of the.
Well, what about MelissaHortman, and, and you know that
people are saying that.
And then of course you've got,you know, kind of going
backwards in time.
You've got Rand Paul gettingbeaten up in his front yard by
his neighbor.
I don't know if you want toclassify Nancy Pelosi's husband
as political violence.
I don't.

(06:05):
I think that was a criminal actof of a very weird nature.
I don't think that waspolitically driven, but you
obviously you've got the twoassassination attempts on the
president, you've got the.
You know the practice by theRepublican team of the
congressional baseball game,that shooting that happened a
few years ago, like this, isbecoming more and more prevalent
, you know, in our, in ourcountry, and I hate to say it's
becoming normalized.
But I think there are people whoare trying to normalize it and

(06:27):
we keep going back to the media.
But they're the ones whosensationalize it, which drives
people to pay more attention toit, which makes it more
acceptable because it's it's onmore, it's covered longer.
Um, you know, these people aregiven a platform for their
political violence, um, and it'sbecoming, it's becoming
normalized in our politics today, which is abhorrent.

(06:49):
This is what happens in thirdworld countries.
People like this is not theUnited States.
This is not like we.
We talk poorly about othercountries for exactly these
kinds of things and we areshowing we're showing our ass
right now in how we're acting,how this, this level of
political violence, is becomingmore and more frequent in the

(07:09):
United States.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that sums it up perfectly
and I'll tell you.
You know some of the commentsthat I see.
I see all the expected,expected ones.
I'm sure you see all of theexpected ones on.
You know both perspectives onthis whole thing.
Of course, the, the, you knowdisgusting, horrible people who
either mock or minimalize the,the, the death of Charlie Kirk,

(07:36):
and all the way to the otherextreme, where people are just
devastated and broken up aboutthis and you know.
And then the next version ofthat, the ones that are calling
for, you know, the eye for aneye and this is war.
And you see all of the thingsand, quite honestly, the one
that honestly still baffles methe most is the one I just saw
today, which is the ones thatsay things like like the exact

(08:00):
comment not on my stuff, it wason somebody else's thing, it was
on a private page, so I don'twant to give any names or any of
that stuff, but it was a womanand she said well, I don't, you
know, you, you people on theright, keep saying that there's
all of these acts of celebrationand glee over Charlie Kirk's
death and I haven't seen any ofthat.

(08:20):
So I don't know what you'retalking about, but I can't
imagine that it's anything likewhat you're saying.
And I felt my head, I felt thepressure in my head, just like,
lady, would you like me to postvideo after video after video
after video after comment afterpost after message, after every
single thing, of the hundreds ofthousands of people who are

(08:43):
celebrating this, literallycelebrating this and, by the way
, losing their jobs for it,which we will get to?
That's actually a really goodconversation, because it just is
.
So, yeah, this whole thing oftrying to, and the deflection
too, Clay, you brought up the,you know, and I got those

(09:04):
comments too.
Well, what about?
Well, what about this person?
Well, what about that person?
And I admit I got a littledefensive because I'm like, well
, if you watch my show, you'dknow that Clay and I talked
about that.
We talked about it.
So just because you didn't seeit doesn't mean it doesn't exist
, and that didn't happen.
You know they want everyone didand that it didn't happen.
You know they want everyone did.
You know, if Charlie's a martyr,why can't everyone be a martyr?

(09:26):
Well, because not everyone wasdoing what Charlie Kirk was
doing.
Not everyone was walking, andI'm not saying that his death is
.
You know, his life was moreimportant than somebody else's
life.
All of these lives have value.
All of these people are deeply,profoundly missed by the people
that knew and loved them.
Charlie hits on a differentlevel because it is simply

(09:49):
different.
Not minimizing anyone else, butI am telling you at the same
time that Charlie was the onlyone of all of these people that
went daily, weekly, monthly,yearly into the lion's den,
knowing exactly what was at somepoint very likely to happen,
and that's in his own words thatyou know he this would not

(10:10):
surprise him for this to happen.
He expected that this could andwould happen, and he still
chose to go into the lion's denand fight for what he believed
in, and he did it with dignityand grace and compassion and
kindness and, best of all,absolute truth.
So yeah, I'm sorry that youdon't like the fact that it is

(10:32):
different, but it is.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I, you know, again, I'm not the biggest fan
of Gutfeld, but he, he went, hewas on the five the other night
and I don't know if you saw itor not, but somebody on there
brought up, you know, uh,melissa Hortman.
You know, and, and he, he saidit as plainly as you can say it.
And the fact is, becauseeverybody keeps saying, well,
what about her?
And he, he looked this personin the eye and said you didn't

(10:56):
even know who she was.
None of us knew who she was.
Before this, everybody knewCharlie Kirk.
Nobody knew who she was.
He wasn't minimizing who shewas, he was putting the impact
in perspective.
Right, she was a local levelpolitician.
If you live in Minnesota,probably a different impact,
right, you know, I would say, asfor those people who are saying

(11:18):
the but what about?
Right, I've seen the but whatabout Melissa Hortman?
A number of times.
Nobody ever mentions herhusband, nobody ever mentions
the other politician who wasattacked that night.
Everybody just mentions herbecause it's convenient.
But you're right, charlie hitsdifferent.
Charlie hits different becauseit was done publicly, because it
was done in front of a livecrowd, because it was
instantaneously, visually, allover the world, where, you know

(11:43):
these other incidences were notand again I'm not minimizing
those but the impact of how itwas presented, how it happened,
how it was visual to everybody.
You said it yourself, you know,among a bunch of people I know
who were like I opened the videoor I opened this app and there,
and I didn't even have a choicebut to watch it, right, so
didn't even have a choice but towatch it, right.
So you know, the impact of allof that hits very, very

(12:13):
different and, and you know thereaction by people which, again,
we're going to talk about alittle bit more was ridiculous.
But I will tell you, and thisis my theory and I'm sticking to
it until the day I die, and I'mnot trying to bring up the most
controversial topic of abortion, but the reality is, as we talk
about people talking aboutschool shootings, you know,
let's stop killing kids.
You know.
These are all the same people,by the way, right, charlie Kirk,
you know, doesn't?

(12:34):
You know, I don't care aboutCharlie Kirk, charlie Kirk
doesn't matter.
Ok, by the way.
What happened?
There was a school shooting.
It was at a college, that'sright.
Those.
What happened?
There was a school shooting, itwas at a college campus, that's
a school shooting, right?
Those same people say let'sstop shooting kids, let's stop
killing kids, let's stop schoolshootings.
Those are the same people thatalso endorse, celebrate or at

(12:54):
least are ambivalent to abortion.
When you dehumanize that act atits most base level, right, when
you are okay with killing anunborn child, then you become
okay with all of the other typesof violence, right, and as a

(13:15):
society.
Maybe not as an individual, butas a society.
That's where it goes.
Gang violence becomescommonplace.
Children in gangs becomeviolent.
It become commonplace.
Them conducting violence andhaving violence conducted
against them becomes commonplace, and we don't care.
There are kids killed inChicago and New York Well, not
really Washington DC right now,but other cities, gang violence,
los Angeles, every single day.

(13:36):
We don't say crap about it.
We say it when it happens in aschool.
We don't say it when it happenson the corner of Sixth Street
and whatever.
Don't say it when it happens onthe corner of 6th Street and
whatever.
So societally, you know it's.
It is unsurprising that we arewhere we are because we have
normalized violence against themost innocent of all innocent

(13:57):
and, and in some cases, peopleare celebrating you've seen it,
the disgusting I've had, youknow, 14 abortions and women are
cheering right Like it's themost disgusting thing there is.
But that's, that's normal.
Now it's been normalized, andso that's, I think, our biggest
problem right now, and how we?
You know this Christianmovement by Charlie Kirk and the
impact is going to be so muchmore significant because I think

(14:22):
you're going to start to seepeople reevaluate their values
in general because of whathappened at Charlie Kirk, and
I'm thinking God, I'm hopingthat this political violence has
hit the edge of the pendulumswing and we're going to start
to come back.
I can't see it getting worse.
I have to believe, as anAmerican, as a human being and

(14:43):
somebody with morals and ethics,that it is going to start to
swing back to some sort ofnormality, because right now
we're, we're, we're in bad shape.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, you know, for for this to get worse would be,
you know, pretty unspeakablewhen you, when you think about
the level that this could go to.
And you know one of thearguments that so many of us are
sick and tired of hearing as oflate, which is one that's been
said for, you know, years, ifnot decades, the whole.

(15:10):
Well, both sides need to tonedown the blah, blah, blah.
You know what?
Try not to swear.
You can all guess that.
Two words I want to say to that, because the right is not
calling for violence.

(15:31):
The right is not cheering themurder of a father husband, good
man.
The right isn't burning downtheir cities when they don't
like a verdict or an outcome ofa situation.
Burning down their cities whenthey don't like a verdict or an
outcome of a situation.
The right does not.
And and, by the way, yes, I amwell aware, because somebody
will pipe in and be like well,you know there are some

(15:52):
extremists, right, yeah, we knowthere's extremists in every,
every aspect of life.
There are extremes.
We all know that.
No argument here.
We're talking about the overall.
You saw that.
You saw one of my you know Idon't want to call it my one of

(16:13):
my favorite videos, but a verytelling video, accurate is.
You know it was a, it was aside-by-side or one was on top
of the other of you know how the, how the left handles, you know
, and how the right handles andthe left, of course.
It was all images of the, theburning of the cities, the
looting, the violence, all ofthese things.
The bottom was the vigilspraying, you know, for Charlie

(16:35):
and really for all of us, forthis country and this world.
Like I said at the top of thehour here we are different, we
are so core different and I'mnot going to take blame.
I'm not going to take blame forwhat's happening now because
it's all coming from the left.
You know, and I can agree with,I can agree on on some points,

(16:59):
that actually you know what we,you and I have been saying this
all along we're, we are, we arenot fans of the, you know,
combative, personal attacks fromour government officials, from
the president on down, from ourgovernment officials, from the
president on down.
I have said you have said aswell, to bring back decorum and

(17:23):
respect and just a code ofethics and behavior.
That is becoming of yourposition and again, I believe
that needs to be strictly,aggressively, fiercely enforced.
Same thing with media.
There needs to be this mediaaccountability where you know if
you are inciting violence, ifyou're blowing that damn dog

(17:45):
whistle.
You know what's his name fromFCC.
I'm drawn, I could see his facein my head, but you know
they're talking about we kind ofI think we touched on it last
week for a moment that they'relooking at pulling licenses of
because we are protective of ourfree speech, even if it's
speech we don't like.
I think that technically kindof rolls into that conversation,

(18:19):
huh.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, it does.
It moves us right into oursecond topic and I'll hit it
right off the top with exactlysomething, an example of what
you were talking about, and thatis that Jimmy Kimmel Right,
we're talking about holdingpeople accountable folks, this
new version of cancel culture.
And Jimmy Kimmel right, we'retalking about holding people
accountable folks, this newversion of cancel culture.
And Jimmy Kimmel I don't knowwhat night it was, I think it
was Thursday night, I don'tthink it was the night that

(18:42):
Charlie was killed, I think itwas Thursday night where he said
that, you know, this youngperson was a conservative MAGA.
You know, blah blah, blah, blah, blah, um, when clearly the
evidence has shown that he's not, um, you know, and so now that
there is discussion that the FCCis going is he's, they're going

(19:05):
to make an example of him asthe first one of these, um, you
know, um, kind of, you know,going after a personality or a
network or a show about thecontent that they're putting out
there.
That's not free speech, that'sand that's not entertainment
folks, that is, you know,spreading disinformation, which
is what, you know, the entireleft accused President Trump of,

(19:25):
you know, during, during thecampaign.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But that's got to love the irony.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, jumping to conclusions, but you know,
getting to the holding peopleaccountable.
You know, as everybody has seenright, and I have seen a ton of
it, and I've seen it on everysocial media platform that I've
come across that I operate on,including LinkedIn of all places
, which is amazing, yes, butthere have been a ton of you

(19:50):
know so-and-so posted thishorrific thing celebrating
Charlie Kirk's assassination,and it will be a series of
screenshots, it'll be the quoteitself, on whatever platform.
It will be that person'sLinkedIn account with their
employer information on it.
It will be their Facebookaccount or their Instagram or
whatever, and it'll be three orfour things and it says this is
all the same person, these areall of their accounts, and you

(20:13):
know that's let's hold themaccountable.
And there have been hundreds ofpeople who have been fired, have
been evicted, have been cut off, have been thrown off of social
media platforms, includinginfluencers, which means that is

(20:40):
their entire income.
And so the cancel culture thatthe left has bred over the last
five to 10 years really the lastfive is coming back to be used
against them in the bestpossible way, but also to a
significantly higher level.
I mean this is you can call itdoxing, you can call it whatever
, but all people are doing ismaking the world aware of things
that people said.
Nobody forced them to say it.
It's not false information.
It's not a false accusation.

(21:01):
That's why the screenshots areso important.
But it'll say you know, let'smake them famous.
And these people are being heldaccountable.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
And I love it, I love it more.
I love it so much it does bringme joy, and no apologies for
that.
And, by the way, these aren'tprivate statements that they
made to their friend in thebackyard and somebody sneakily
recorded them and then put it on.

(21:30):
These are things they areputting publicly on social media
.
They are doxing themselves.
You chose to put such vile,hateful, horrific things on
social media where youremployers are your co-workers,
are your family, your friends.
You did this.
We're just helping you getfamous.

(21:51):
You wanted the world, youwanted people to see what you
had to say.
Well, guess what People areseeing what you had to say.
And, of course, the left isscreaming.
You're violating our freespeech.
No, you can say pretty muchwhatever you want.
Do it, say whatever you want.
You're not free.
Everybody knows the phrase.
You are free to say what youwant, but you are not free from

(22:13):
consequence of what you say anddo.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
And I will tell you you can't be arrested for saying
something.
That doesn't mean that youcan't be held accountable for
saying something.
And folks, this is doctors,right.
This is professors.
This is teachers at all levels.
The fire chief of Clevelandright, did this?
Got nailed, got suspended?
Right?
You're seeing this in everyindustry, in every walk of life,

(22:42):
in every everything.
And you're right, elsa, youknow they're doing it to
themselves.
All the rest of the world isdoing is bringing attention,
which is what they want, whenthey wanted the attention right.
You wanted the attention.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Here it is my friend here.
It is Enjoy, Enjoy the fruitsof your labor.
Yeah, you know, come on nowpeople this comes down to and I
know, and I know we're preachingto the choir here, but you know
there's always that potentialfor that one random person who
believes very differently, andthey fall upon this podcast and
they're like what?
But you know the reality, thesimple basic common sense

(23:25):
reality here is that if I am apatient, if I am the mother of a
student, and I see my doctor,my kid's teacher, whoever it
might be, doctor, my kid'steacher, whoever it might be,
the community leader, whateverthe case is and I see you
celebrating the horrific murderof another human being for the

(23:47):
simple fact that they saidthings you don't like, what
other moral decay are youcapable of?
You have zero trust from me.
Now, If I know that that's thekind of human being that you are
, I don't want you touching me.
I don't, you know cause thattells me.
If you know, God forbid, I gotinto a car accident and I was
wearing my Trump shirt or aTrump hat or, you know, whatever

(24:07):
.
I fully believe, and I believe,rightly so, that if I get
brought into the hospital,somebody who disagrees with me,
who posted something like that.
I fully believe that they willnot treat me, that they would
let me die, Because you know how?
Why I believe that?
Because they've said thingslike that and you're telling me
you think that person shouldkeep their job.
You got to be out of yourfricking mind, right?

(24:29):
So if you're going to, ifyou're going to celebrate the
death, the murder of of anotherhuman being and take glee from
that and we're talking aboutpeople who are like literally
dancing and cheering and full oncelebrating this you deserve to
lose your job, you deserve tolose your livelihood, you

(24:51):
deserve to be put on blast onsocial media, All of the things.
Zero sympathy for that.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, I don't know if you saw it, but there was a
probably the worst one I saw andit's going to.
You're going to love thistransition.
So it's two little girls,probably eight, 10 years old,
right, maybe, and then a littlesister, maybe six or seven years
old, and it's like mommy asksthem you know, guess who died
today?
The greatest thing happened?
Guess who died today, you know,and the older girl goes Donald

(25:21):
Trump, and she's very excited.
And then she says you know, thevice president.
She's very excited, you know,and it's like this, sickening,
like these two little kids havebeen so brainwashed by this
parent.
It's disgusting, like this ishorrible, you know, it's
horrible.
Well, come to find out thatwoman's husband is a full-time
National Guard officer, who hasshe's a public school teacher

(25:46):
and he is a full-time NationalGuard officer, a commander of an
organization.
He has been suspended.
And he's not the only one Folks.
There are a number of peoplewithin the military in some
fairly significant levels ofresponsibility, who have
publicly stated things like this.
Okay, Got a secret service agent, right, yeah, so within the

(26:07):
military and I'm a firm believerin this and I've been saying
this for a long time you don'tget to put on your social media
personality or profile thatyou're in the military, or have
pictures of you in uniform orsay where you're stationed or
what your job is or anythinglike that, and then say my
opinions are my own right.

(26:29):
That doesn't work.
If you choose to use you knowto show that you are a service
member in any way, shape or form, your conduct online is the
same as how you act in publicand there is no difference and
you will never convince meotherwise.
And so we've got a bunch ofmore than a few, a disturbing

(26:51):
number of military leaders whohave been posting things about
Charlie Kirk, who you know arebeing suspended, relieved and
have are being.
There's potential discussion ofnon judicial punishment within
the military system for theseindividuals for conduct
unbecoming.
And and again, I have noproblem with this If you want to

(27:11):
have social media that iscompletely stripped of who you
are in the military, and it'sjust you and it's just your
family, and it's just yourfriends or whatever, and you
want to act like that, go ahead,right, you can't have the
connection between the two,right?
Nope.
And so what happened with thiswoman, with these horrific, you
know, with what she's done withthese kids, is she is the spouse
, her and her husband.

(27:32):
Her husband is, she is thespouse, her and her husband.
Her husband's got her on hispage.
People made the connection hehas been.
My understanding is he has beensuspended and there's a lot of
those, the same kind of doxing,self-doxing kind of thing going
on within the military.
But this is indicative, right,here's your, here's the
transition, right?
This is indicative of the decayof discipline that's going on
and has been going on over thelast probably five years or so

(27:54):
within the military.
And let me tell you something,folks I've been one of the
biggest critics of SecretaryExit since he got nominated.
I am not a fan.
There are things that he isfixing.
One of them is disciplinewithin the military.
And if you haven't watched,especially if you're an old
service member, basic disciplinestarts with how you dress and
how you're groomed and and youknow, when you're in uniform,

(28:21):
there's a specific standard onhow you're supposed to be
groomed, how your hair issupposed to be cut for ladies,
your makeup, your, your nails,your earrings, your all of those
things, and they have slippedsignificantly in the last five
years.
What a surprise, yeah, bigshock.
Right, lots of beards, lots ofum, you know, ethnic hairstyles,
as they like to call themcornrows, twists and braids and

(28:42):
and colored hair and all ofthese things.
And I can tell you, just twodays ago, the military, the army
, specifically published the newpolicy for grooming standards
and it goes new policy forgrooming standards and it goes
it folks.
It looks like it did in like2010 and even before that.
They have gone back to no longhair.

(29:02):
Um, you know, no, only naturalhair color.
Men can have no braids, twists,dreadlocks of any kind.
Um, you know, absolutely nocosmetics for males, including
nail polish, unless, unlessmedically required.
You know women have very, canyou believe?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
we live in a world where you have to say that, Like
they have to put that in there,Like this is like.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Come on, we wear nail polish right, nails can only be
so long, jewelry can be veryspecific, but we've gone back to
a level of personal disciplinewithin the military that to me
is long overdue but it to alevel of personal discipline
within the military that to meis long overdue but it, and
people will complain.
They'll say it's stupid, it'snot about readiness, it's not
about war fighting, and I willtell you that that is the first
stone in the steps to where weare now, where you've got senior

(29:46):
level officers and enlistedfolks talking about the death of
Charlie Kirk and celebratingwhen you can't get up in the
morning and shave and you can'tkeep your hair to a very.
That is a very slippery slopethat goes down the
ill-disciplined line, and Ifirmly believe that's where
we're at right now.
So applause to Secretary ofDefense, who is forcing the

(30:09):
service secretaries and theservice chiefs to get their
people in line and get back todiscipline.
Good for him.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Outstanding.
I think it's outstanding and Ithink that is something that
needs to extend into all areasof public life.
If you want to go next step,I'm taking it next step.
I don't want to see anybody outin their pajamas.
Listen, you're going to get madat me.
I know there's going to bepeople mad at me now for saying
this because you like to.
You know you don't care, you'rejust like whatever.
I'm just going to run toWalmart and grab a couple of

(30:38):
things.
You're the Walmart people.
I mean, knock yourself out.
I don't actually have anycontrol over this.
I'm just telling you mypersonal opinion.
Get dressed, fix yourself up,look decent, smell good or at
least smell neutral and act likea productive member of society.
Show some pride in yourself,act like you care.

(31:01):
Stop with the I don't care, Idon't care.
No, my grandmother set the tonefor me for my entire life.
My, that woman.
Maybe it was extreme, okay,fine.
That woman did not even go downto the end of the driveway to
get her mail without full makeup, her little heels on her hair
done and looking good, and it'snot for anything more than she

(31:24):
took pride in her appearance andher husband, my grandfather,
loved for her to look like thatand she loved him.
And these are things that youdo for yourself and for your
person.
And I can tell you I mean,everybody knows this when you
take your shower in the morning,like, say, you start the
morning off and you're feelinglousy and you don't feel

(31:45):
motivated, I feel like doinganything.
You get in that shower, youclean yourself up, you fix
yourself up, you get dressed andwhat do you do?
You feel better, like this isjust common sense, but we've
gotten, you know, so far intothat don't care mentality in
this society.
And, by the way, yeah, I thinkyou should be dressing up for
church, and I don't care ifdressing up for you means your

(32:05):
best pair of sneakers and yourbest pair of jeans, because that
is what you have.
Do it, just do it.
Look like you care, and itchanges like everything about
how you start the day, how youexist in the world and, by the
way, always make your bed.
It's in a book.
There's a book I think I forgotwho it is Thank you yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yep, and again, that's you know.
I got into that argument a fewmonths ago because it, you know,
the the shaving thing in themilitary came up and a bunch of
people, younger folks, who youknow were adamantly against.
It has no bearing on what we'redoing, blah, blah, blah, blah.
We're the same people that Ihad seen who were cheering for
Admiral McRaven when he saidmake your bed in the morning,
shaving's the same thing, right,but it's about personal

(32:47):
discipline, personal pride.
Here's one to make you thinkabout this before we move on to
the next one.
So you know, kids in college,now you know, when we were
younger, there was this thingcalled the walk of shame right,
yeah.
Right, you look out on campus atseven o'clock on a Sunday
morning and you see who'swandering around in the same
clothes that they were in thenight before.
And but there was this level of, you know, embarrassment.

(33:07):
You were sneaking, you weretrying not to be seen.
You know all those things.
Do you know now that thatdoesn't exist anymore?
They don't care.
No, nobody cares.
Don't care.
Nobody cares, Unless they'reviolating some kind of rule on
campus which don't exist in muchfewer numbers than when we were
younger, because you've gotco-ed floors now, right?

(33:27):
I?
lived in a dorm where it wasboys on one side, girls on the
other, all the way down to thelobby and all the way back up
and you couldn't sneak betweenthe two.
Now you've got floors whereit's like girls room next door,
boys room, like there's nosegregation, there's no seeking
around, so that even that likewalk of shame mentality is gone,
it's completely gone.
So, yes, folks, take pride inwho you are, how you dress.

(33:51):
We're not saying you got towear a suit or a petticoat.
It's not that we're not talking, we're not.
We're not talking.
Poodle skirts, right, but butyou should go out.
You know right, dress Right,yeah, and taking pride in who
you are.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, I'm telling you that one little act on a
regular basis will change yourlife.
It will change your life, itwill change your perspective,
you know.
Same for turning off social.
You know, charlie, I'm goingback to Charlie if you don't
mind.
Um, charlie Kirk, especially oflate, was strongly, uh,
advocating for and talking aboutbringing back Sabbath.

(34:25):
And, of course, if you're aChristian, it's a little bit
different.
For us, sabbath would be Sunday, that would be our day of rest
and that was really what he wastalking about.
That, for your sanity, for thesake of your family, for the
sake of your mind and everything.
Take that day, turn it all off,put the phones away, everybody.

(34:46):
Throw your phone in a basketand listen.
I am, I am one to talk herebecause I am addicted to working
and it is very, very hard forme to turn that off.
But I love that.
This past Sunday I did muchbetter than I've done in the
past.
I've tried to do this, stoppedand restarted this multiple
times and you know, just evendoing that halfway, maybe three

(35:07):
quarters of the way this pastSunday, was you, just you feel
so much better.
You feel like you can breathe,your brain isn't muddled and
mush and chaotic, yeah, and Ithink that is something that we
really need to individually,collectively, whatever you know.

(35:28):
Think about doing it foryourself.
I won't even, I won't, I won'teven go big, I'll keep it small.
Think about doing that foryourself and for your family.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Take that day and I think businesses too, like we
saw last year, the last twoyears actually, we've seen the
what is it?
Black Friday has kind oftailored back a little bit,
right.
I think we've seen moreChristmas Eve tailored back a
little bit.
I think more places are closedChristmas Day, more places are

(35:58):
closed.
You know, we're starting to seepeople backing off of the
consumerism that was driving alot of that, and I get it.
Folks For some businesses,listen, if you don't celebrate
those holidays, you still needto go get gas.
I understand that, but at thesame time, allowing people to
have those days to celebratewith their family, celebrate
whatever they're doing, is allpart of what else is talking

(36:20):
about, and I think we are goingto start to see a little bit
more of that.
I think that pendulum isswinging back to.
I think you're going to startseeing more businesses closed on
Sundays.
I think that is going to startcoming back.
Um, and and I I really believethat because I think people our
generation are are worn out Likewe were, you know, when you

(36:42):
know Sunday was the day of rest.
That's the whole purpose, right?
And and we don't even get thatanymore.
So, um, I think you're going tostart seeing a lot more of that
.
Um, I would love to see that itstill exists in the Midwest
folks.
Um, in parts of the South youstill do have very, very quiet
Sundays where there's nothingopen and nothing going on.
Um but um, I think you're goingto start to see more of that
outside of the major metro areas, and I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I hope so and I believe that is all part of this
bigger momentum that has beenkind of rolling across the
nation, this spirit of revival,and I mean that in the Christian
sense and I mean that in theChristian sense and I mean that
in a overall sense that we are.

(37:25):
I think we are.
Charlie's death sparked revival.
Anybody wants to argue me withthat, knock yourself out.
I believe this in my heart,that this was the good to come
from.
Awful, that this was a catalystfor revival in you know, more
than one way, and I thinkeverything we were just talking

(37:47):
about is an example of that.
And of course, we've seen the,you know, nationwide vigils and
commitments to recommitting orcommitting, or considering to
commit to faith, to a church, toattend church.
Church membership, notmembership, just people going to

(38:08):
church.
This past weekend was like atthe highest it's been in years
and that's such an incrediblybeautiful, beautiful thing.
And then, kind of in that samefamily of stuff my segue is not
nearly as nice as yours, clay,but let's talk about the rise
and surge of Turning Point, usa,which of course is Charlie

(38:29):
Kirk's baby and now in thecapable hands of Erica Kirk and
all of the people that havealready been working with them,
but I can tell you.
So I did two things, clay, Iwent right away as soon as it
crossed my mind to go on toTurning Point, usa, to sign up
and to, you know, check prettymuch every box, you know.

(38:51):
Do you want to?
Do you want to start a chapteror join a chapter?
Yes, do you want to donate?
Yes, do you want to volunteer?
Yeah, you know, like everythingI could check, I checked off
and you know I'm in a blue stateso I may have to start a
chapter here.
If that's an option, I'll dowhatever.
But the last count that I sawmaybe you know more the last

(39:13):
count that I saw was like 18,000new memberships.
In a matter of like waysurpassed that, but that was
like, yeah, my early number.
Where they at.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, so two different numbers.
One is 37,000 applications tostart a chapter in a high school
or university.
Now, I don't even know if thereare that many like high schools
and universities left in theUnited States that don't have
one, but there's that manyapplications to start chapters,
but 58,000 applications formembership, you know, at the

(39:43):
same time.
So you know what does that mean, folks?
That means that there's a youthmovement that's coming and you
know, across college campuses,we've seen it specifically
because of Charlie.
Right, he is the one who hashighlighted the fact that not
every college campus is, youknow, a cesspool of

(40:03):
anti-Semitism, anti-religion,anti-american, anti.
They're not all like that, notall campuses and not all kids.
And we see that because of whatCharlie was doing, because of
Turning Point USA, and so nowwhat you've got are almost
they're almost the TPUSA.
Chapters on campuses are almostGreek fraternity, like in their

(40:25):
membership, in their, you know,kind of public visibility,
their meetings.
They're like all kinds ofthings are coming out of this.
But the biggest thing is it'sAmerican youth who are tired of
getting yelled at, they're tiredof getting told what to think,
they're tired of being guiltedinto things and, frankly,

(40:47):
they're tired of the very loudminority everywhere they go.
And when I say minority, that'sI'm not talking about race or
skin color, although sometimesthat applies.
I am talking about the loudminority of the LGBTQ, the.
You know, the white suburbanmom who tells you that you have
to support whatever cause that,like these kids, are tired of

(41:09):
getting yelled at.
And the people yelling at themare not conservatives.
The people yelling at them areblue liberals, democrats, who
are telling them oh, if youdon't vote this direction, then
you, you know you're, you're,you're a horrible human being.
And it's coming from the AOCsof the world, it's coming from
the Jasmine Crofts of the world,it's coming from the Cory

(41:29):
Booker, cory Bookers of theworld right and and the rest of
the squad and all of thosepeople and these kids are tired
of it.
And so when they had an iconlike Charlie Kirk, these very
quiet, conservative, raised kids, they had somebody they could
relate to, who, truthfully,wasn't that much older than them
, who was speaking the samelanguage, who was treating them
like adults and was havingconversations with them.
And then he gets killed.

(41:51):
Like, these kids are pissed,like I don't know another way to
say it they are flipping mad.
And that's where this surge iscoming from and you know, I
think it's amazing you said itat the top of the show this is
what is being ignited withinthis country and it is the youth
of America, which, you know,charlie was doing anyway.

(42:13):
We never wanted it to happenthis way.
We never wanted him to be thereason like this, but his
example of what he was doing isabsolutely the catalyst for this
.
Like this, but his example ofwhat he was doing is absolutely
the catalyst for this, and Iwill tell you that this is going
to carry through the next threeor four election cycles, if not
longer, like this.
This Turning Point USA and thegrowth of that is going to

(42:36):
become a network that drives theyouth of this nation for
probably as long as any of uscan forecast.
I think it's a huge thing.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I went on and I wanted tojust give this little suggestion
to anybody who had the samethought that I did.
I wanted to buy somemerchandise to support and, yeah
, now you can't.
I was fortunate I went onTurning Point.
I was able to buy a couple ofshirts, a couple other things.
I don other things.
I bought a whole bunch ofthings and, yes, of course

(43:06):
you'll be seeing it, I'll bewearing them on the show and in
my videos and stuff.
Now it's probably a little bittougher to get them.
I did that fairly early on.
Lots of people out there, littlepop-up shops trying to make a

(43:27):
buck off of this, and so you'llsee a lot of probably
foreign-based I think a lot ofthem are foreign-based companies
.
So you know, do yourself afavor, do the Kirk family a
favor, do Turning Point a favorand make a point, if you can, to
only buy that type ofmerchandise from either Turning
Point or from Erica Kirk'scompany, which is Proclaim.

(43:48):
I tried.
Every single thing is sold outon her, everything.
You cannot get anything, sojust be patient.
I put myself on her mailinglist.
I said to somebody just theother day they asked we were
talking about that and I said,listen, talking about Erica Kirk
and how amazing she is.
And I said, you know, I thinkso many of us feel like we would

(44:11):
, just, we would walk across hotcoals for that woman right now
and for the foreseeable futureand for her kids, and I will,
you know, make a point of makingsure that I support them and,
yes, I do know that they willfinancially be fine for the rest
of their lives.
I, I and I think that theyshould be, um, that will not

(44:32):
stop me from buying, you know,whatever uh from them.
So, yeah, so get on the mailinglist and and hopefully, when
things are available again, youcan, you can get them, but try
not to buy from these.
You know people who are justtrying to make a buck off a
tragedy.
I think it's grotesque.
Somebody asked me kind of whatstarted that was.
Somebody asked me if I wasmaking something for this and I
said absolutely not.
And then, like two minuteslater, I was scrolling and I saw

(44:54):
Relentless help me, defender,relentless Defender.
What's the name of the company?
Drawn a blank, I think it'sRelentless Defender.
It's a company they sell stuffand they had been asked to like.
Are you going to make a CharlieKirk tribute, sure, and they

(45:14):
said absolutely not Go over toTurning Point or anything that
is sponsored by them.
So that's just kind of along-winded side note.
Make sure you do that.
Instead, let the money go whereit belongs, because they are
using it wonderfully, to doamazing, wonderful things and
not greedy things.
And another thing, by the way,for the parents who are either
homeschooling or plan tohomeschool they have released
all of their homeschoolingcurriculum for free.

(45:36):
I don't know how long that isavailable for, I don't know if
that's a permanent thing, but ifthat is something you're
interested in and you, youshould go to their website for
the free curriculum too.
So there, no, folks, that's nota paid endorsement.
We get nothing for that.
That's purely from our heart,period.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
You know the reaction has not just been the United
States, it's been global.
Coming of it is veryinteresting.
So you know, there was thehorrible reaction at the EU
parliament where they tried tohave a moment of prayer, which
was not well received, very muchlike our own Congress.
So, you know, people showingtheir true colors.
But there have been, there hasbeen across Europe specifically,

(46:15):
a lot of reaction to theassassination of Charlie Kirk.
I've seen demonstrations inGermany and England and other
places.
There was also a massive andit's interesting timing a
massive two million persongathering in England, which has
a lot.
It has to do with a lot ofdifferent things, one of them
being Charlie Kirk, but alsothis ridiculous amount of, now,

(46:42):
muslim influence that'shappening inside of the UK and
specifically in England itself.
Um, you've got that as aproblem.
You've got, uh, problems withtaxes.
You've got like a lot of things.
People, england is starting torise back up again folks and, um
, you know Charlie is tied tothat.
Uh, truthfully, it's all.
It's all coming at the sametime.
Uh if you haven't seen it, theKing George flag around England

(47:04):
right now is a symbol ofinterestingly enough, is a
symbol of rebellion going on inEngland.
So it because, very not thatlong ago someone put a King
George flag up and it was takendown as a symbol of hate speech
by the police there.
So now they're.
Now you're seeing themeverywhere, but you're also

(47:24):
seeing things like people arepainting it on manhole covers.
They're doing things like that.
It's almost become this.
Like I said, it's a symbol ofrebellion.
But the global response toCharlie Kirk I thought was very,
very interesting, mostly inEurope and mostly in countries
that are truthfully beingoverrun by the population.
You know, it's all those peoplewho initially, with goodness in

(47:47):
their heart at least, portrayedto be, you know, letting all
these refugees and now all of asudden they're being, you know,
overrun and it's becoming anissue.
So yeah, global response hasbeen interesting.
It's not just secluded here inthe United States.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Wow, it's so incredible to watch, it's you
almost watch with, withdisbelief, right Like, wow, one
man triggered all of this.
And yes, absolutely I agree,clay.
There were so many thingssimmering already.
We had already, as aconservative nation, and
moderates who maybe don'tidentify with either side, so to

(48:22):
speak, but that's a reallylarge group.
So you're talking aboutconservatives as a collective
whole, and then you're talkingabout moderates, who don't
identify one way or other, andyou put them all together and
that word that we've talkedabout so many times over several
shows, which is fatigue.
We are tired, we're done, theyare done with all of this

(48:42):
extremist BS, and it has neverbeen about hating individuals,
hating groups.
There is no hate here.
Whether I agree with yourlifestyle or not holds a bit of
irrelevance to me at least.
My own feelings are irrelevantto me in how you live your life.
As long as you're not botheringme and making me be a party to

(49:07):
it or a contributor to it, dowhat you got to do.
If you want to have aconversation about it, of course
I'd love to talk to you aboutit, but ultimately, just leave
us alone.
And you haven't left us alone.
You've made this the only thingwe can ever talk about at any
time.
So, of course, there's going tobe pushback at some point.

(49:29):
And this is the you know, thisis, this is they did this.
I said I think I said thatearly in the show that, like,
listen, you did this, you got ushere, not us, not us, because
we were perfectly content justliving our lives and doing our
thing.
And you know, you, you broughtthis, you brought this.
You went too far, you pushedtoo hard and then you did the

(49:49):
ultimate um wrong here and andnow we're done.
And now you know, now we'refighting, now we're ready to
fight, now we get it.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
And it's and it's happening on multiple fronts.
Umition to the next topic LikeDOD, hit another drug boat, this
time in the daytime, you know,and in the aftermath of the
first one, and we talked aboutthis a couple of weeks ago, you
know drug boat full of fentanyl.
I think there were sixoccupants in it and it was a
drone strike with a Hellfiremissile blew them out of the

(50:19):
water and I could not believethe things that I saw coming
from people within our owngovernment saying that's a war
crime.
Like, no, no, you know, like,take some, take some social
studies classes, right, thepresident has declared them.
As you know, the cartels arenarco-terrorists.

(50:39):
They're terrorist organizationswhich allow our military to act
to protect this nation againstterrorist threat.
That's who they are, okay, solet's get that off the table.
So we had another one just theother day, this one in the
daytime.
They have some beautifuldaytime footage that I know.
You know we're going to try andget on here, but you know this
is again.
We're tired.
This is fentanyl people.

(51:01):
When up, look up, how manypeople just a pound, right, how
many people a pound of fentanylcan kill?
Just look it up.
It's insane, it's insane and ifyou think that that is not a
threat to the safety of thisnation when you've got a boat
with hundreds, if not thousands,of pounds of this stuff coming

(51:21):
into the United States.
If you don't think that's athreat and you're more worried
about us committing quoteunquote war crimes as opposed to
keeping people safe, you'repart of the problem.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Right, right, yeah, can you?
Can you imagine being mad andupset and bothered that we took
out, we, the country president,took out people who were trying
to kill millions.
You're mad.
You're mad about that.
You have a problem with that.
That was inhumane, that wasmean, really, yeah, cry harder.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Yeah, it's the same people.
Oh, due process, due processwas most important, right?
And I can promise you thosepeople who say that have never
had a friend, family member, anacquaintance, anything like that
, die from this crap.
Right, they clearly have not.
And so that's.
You know, we are tired, you'vesaid it, you keep saying it and

(52:16):
you're 100% correct.
We are tired.
And you know, one thing that'salways proven true with
Americans is we are tolerant toa fault as a nation, but once
you push us past that line, like, you're going to pay for it.
And that's where we're at rightnow, and we're seeing it in
small steps, but I'm going totell you that is not lasting
long.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
No, no, it's definitely, definitely not going
to last long.
It will escalate.
And, and you know, I see theserevolving conversations all the
time within the right, and youknow you have one faction of the
right, um, saying things likeyou know, now it's time to.
You know, tone down thetemperature, tone down the you
know the rhetoric and all thatstuff and come to the table.

(52:58):
That's the.
You know, some people from theleft are saying things like that
and some people from the rightare agreeing with that, saying
yes, yes, this was all too much,too far.
I mean duh, you know, now it'stime to come together and talk
about.
Well, the answer to that is no,because we tried that.
We tried that for a long, longtime.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
The guy who was doing that just got killed Exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
What do you want?
Yeah, like the guy that wasliterally leading that.
You know.
So stop saying stupid things,folks.
Um, the other thing is don'tconfuse righteous anger, um with
reckless anger.
They are two very, verydifferent things.
Reckless anger will cause youto behave in a uselessly violent

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way, basically being them right, and righteous anger will lead
you to fight in a way that isusing truth and keeping your
dignity and basically doing whatCharlie did.
You know, and you can be.
It's okay to be angry.
I'm angry, as if y'all couldn'ttell I'm angry, right, like I

(54:04):
don't.
I don't, well, like I.
Actually my husband says I geta scary laugh when I'm like
really angry.
He's like, yeah, when you laugh, when, like, you're saying
things like I'm so angry, butyou're laughing when you say it.
He said I think you might beyour most dangerous when you do
that.
And I said you know, I thinkyou're actually right.
I'm the opposite.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I, I think you're actually right, I'm the opposite
.
I'm the quiet, I'm the quiet,angry.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
My husband's the quiet angry too.
Yes, yeah, the more quiet youget, the more it's on.
Yeah, a hundred, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I think, I think I probably go ahead.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
The Emmys.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Do we care about the Emmys?
I mean listen there, normal Emmystupidity.
There was some free Palestine.
There was actually, I saw oneof the funniest things was a
lady who was free Palestine,right, um, they showed her in an
in a post award.
She won an award.
I don't even know who she is,but she won an award.
She was in a, you know, in thatroom on the side where they do

(54:58):
the interviews afterwards andfor, I think, al Jazeera
television they she was in astrapless dress and they blurred
out her entire chest area so itcould be shown in the middle
east like that's how dumb thesepeople, that's how, like, that's
what she's fighting for, yeah,yeah, I mean that's like yeah, I
, I'm with you, clay, and we did.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
We put it on here so we could just basically, you
know, talk about that we're notgoing to do.
Uh, who wore it best?
Or anything like that, or youknow, rate the gowns, we could
care.
Could not care less about that.
I always get that one wrong andI always get called out for it
Like it's not, could, could careless.
I'm like I know I don't know whyI do that, leave me alone.
So I mean, for anybody whocares, it was the 77th Primetime

(55:35):
Emmys.
It was on September 14th.
They crowned their big winnersand gave Hollywood a moment to
talk kindness and unity.
I mean, listen, I just pulledthis info up just to read it off
.
There's not really even mywords here.
In a week of national morning Afew celebrities commented
directly on Charlie's killingand the broader violence problem
.
I mean, I don't really.

(55:56):
Is that even true?

Speaker 1 (55:57):
I didn't watch any of it.
His name was never mentioned.
Okay, so they can suck it frommultiple stories.
They talked to a few peopletalked around the can.
Suck it From multiple stories.
They talked about it.
A few people talked around thetopic Around it.
Oh, okay, my understanding isthat, because I didn't watch it
and I never will, his name wasnever brought up specifically
during the entire thing.
Now, if you go back to GeorgeFloyd, his name was brought up
several times in the awardsshows, like the Emmys after his

(56:20):
incident, but never, not onesingle person, said Charlie Kirk
during the entire.
So that tells you who thesepeople are and what they're
about.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah yeah, they're jerks.
I can't stand them.
I don't care about them.
I don't care about anythingthat they have to say.
I think they are ignorantlittle bubble people living in
their little vacuum and theirdresses look stupid and their
hair is stupid and I'm justbeing petty right now just
because I feel like it.
I really can't.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Let's be petty.
The Chiefs are 0-2 and I'mcalling it right now.
It's Taylor Swift's fault.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
It's totally her fault.
I'm just saying it.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I'm blaming the whole thing on her.
They're going to book her.
I'm sticking with it.
They're going to book her asthe halftime show and the Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I think you are absolutely right.
I mean, we should blame Taylorfor everything right now.
I mean, why not right,everything is Taylor's fault and
I, you know, as we've talkedabout the past, I don't watch
football anymore.
We used to watch it, you know.
Pretty, I mean not, we watchedit every single Sunday and
Mondays often too.
I haven't watched it in years,I do.

(57:22):
I miss it conceptually, I misswhat it represented.
That was just a such awonderful, fun part of our
Sunday experience and you know,I would make all the food and do
all the things and we'd wearour jerseys and it was just so
enjoyable.
And then they went and ruinedit and I am a stubborn son of a
gun.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
And 27 of the 32 teams did something in honor of
Charlie Kirk.
There were five teams that didabsolutely nothing, but 27 of
the 32 teams did something,whether it was violence,
whatever it was.
So so maybe there's a littlebit more there.
Also, a number of NFL playersimmediately offered to pay for

(58:05):
education for both of Charlie'skids.
So there's some good souls leftin the NFL.
I I not again, you know, hugefootball fan, but there's a
little bit there.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Maybe there's hope.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
There's.
There's some hope.
I will hold on to it.
I will hold on to hope and thenhopefully someday return to
that.
You know, super fun tradition.
It was a really great funtradition and I would love to go
back to it at some point, but I, you know, we'll see.
We will see if they are on onthe right trajectory here.
My goodness, we did it, clay, wedid it.
There was a lot of heavy talkthere, but I think it's really,

(58:39):
it was really productive and,and you know, clay and I kind of
had this unspoken goal.
I think, going into this isthat you know, clay and I kind
of had this unspoken goal.
I think, going into this, thatyou know we weren't going to
come in here and try and bringyou down and talk about, you
know, just pure darkness andgrief and bad parts there's.
You know you have to find andif you can't find it, be it and
create it.
We talked about that last lastweek.

(59:04):
There is a lot of good that canand has and will continue to
come from this tragedy, but onlyif we make it so.
So my personal goal is to notlet Charlie's death be in vain,
and I know so.
So many people have that samefeeling and it's a beautiful
thing that this is ouropportunity as a Christian,

(59:28):
thing, that this is ouropportunity as a Christian.
This strengthened my resolve andmy determination to, like
Charlie said, tell someone aboutJesus every day.
Every day, tell someone aboutJesus, and that is the best way
that you can honor Charlie Kirkand his memory and his legacy
and continue that legacy.
And listen, I'm fine if you'renot a believer, if it's not your
thing, let's not have hardfeelings about it, it's okay.
I'm not going to come knockingon your door and beat you over

(59:50):
the head with the Bible.
I'm just telling you it's agreat path to go down if you
were ever so inclined to thinkabout it.
Art is incredible and if notthat, then at the very least I
hope and I pray that it hasinspired a level of kindness and
compassion and to emulate whatCharlie did, which was open

(01:00:12):
dialogues, you know, and justtalk to people.
Just talk to people, talk toeach other, and I hope that's, I
hope that's something that'llhappen.
More, clay, would you be a loveand close them out?

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