March 14, 2026 • 51 mins
Dive into part two of our casual conversation with Jack Horner from The Dirt, where we discuss the underground music world up against the mainstream, as well notable bands in the scene, film scores, and the effect word of mouth has on art.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Hey there all my fishes in the sea.
Thanks for tuning into thefishbowl.
I'm your host Sam Fish andtoday's episode wraps up my
conclusion interview with JackHorner from UK's critically
famed psychedelic rock band thatare checked out.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
The psychedelia that came out of California is
totally different to the meganoise that came out of New York
from the early 70s and it or themid-70s.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
Right, and the same same thing with rap.
Like East Coast 90s, 80s and 90sEast Coast rap versus 80s and
90s West Coast rap is liketotally different.
But at the same time, like allthe the rap groups and the rap
artists, you know, solo guysfrom the East Coast and the West
(05:02):
Coast all kind of had like ifyou were from the West Coast and
you were from the East Coast,you all kind of had like a very
similar style with like how yourhymed and and the the the type
of you know music you would haveessentially going to you know
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overlapping you rapping.
Um it's it's very it's like youcan tell the people who are from
the east coast, and you can tellthe people who are from the west
coast.
Like the West Coast had a lot oflike you could hear like P funk
and you know George Clinton,James Brown, you know, like
Motown, all all like, you know,the RB and funk, you know, that
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was big in the the 60s and 70s,and the the East Coast was much
more like raw, you know, it wasit was more yeah, I don't want
it I don't want to say edgybecause they were both both were
edgy, but it was it was like youthere was a distinct sound, and
now like I mean rap and and andmainstream rap, let me let me
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rephrase mainstream rap, justlike mainstream rock, just like
mainstream country, just likemainstream music in general, is
is like not sure if you everseen that movie, uh, and I I I
brought this up in severalinterviews I've done with
musicians to kind of give theidea, but it came out in the
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early 2000s, uh Josie and thePussycast.
Okay, the basically the the plotit's it's based on a old like
70s cartoon show.
And I I'm not sure if it wasshown in in the UK or Europe,
but it was a uh American,definitely an American like 70s
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cartoon, and they made it into alive action movie, and the plot
of this movie is like you havelike the the boy bands, like you
know, in sync and backstreetboys, who they were like really
doing a play on at the timebecause they were like the big
the big boy bands when it cameout.
And the idea of this film isthat like the record companies
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whenever like a musician die amusicians die in a plane crash
or you know, overdose or youknow all mysteriously dying at
uh 27, you know, it's it's allkind of been orchestrated by the
record companies because theydidn't want to comply.
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So basically there's like andthen you have like you know, I
think what's his name, Alan.
Is it Alan Cumming?
I'm gonna I think is was theactor's name.
He he plays this this like youknow age music agent and
basically the the the boy bandof the time that they're like
currently headlighting, youknow, dies in a plane crash.
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So they they need to find like anew a new like you know pop
group that they can you knowmarket to the youth.
And they have this whole scenewhere like they're going through
like the the scam of like thethe industry where you know it's
subliminal messaging.
And you know, they they theyplay the the pop music or
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whatever and there's you knowthey overlap it with subliminal
messaging and they show likethis whole scene and he's giving
you know exposition basically,you know, in in the sequence
that this is what they do andthis is like their the the you
know antagonists of the film,and they they show like how
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there's this group of likeessentially zombies, you know,
teen teenage zombies that arelike listening to this music and
you know just like you know youknow and then there's like one
person who's like supposed to belike a goth girl, you know, and
she says, I understand why thisis so catchy, you know, and and
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and you know, Alan Cumming orwhatever his name is, he played
the agent, is like, Oh really?
You d you don't you don't thinkthis is like catchy or anything?
She says, No, in fact, I thinkit sucks.
You know, and he says, Oh,really?
That's interesting.
Will you come with me realquick?
I'd love to, you know, get youryour full assessment, blah blah
blah.
She follows him outside, a ablack van, you know, pulls up,
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slides open the door, takes thegirl in, puts a black bag over
her head, and then she's like,never, you know, never seen
again.
Right.
You know.
And the the the whole I the thepoint is like movies from like
the nineties and even you knowearly two thousands, it's like
they they almost were like doingsubcontext on like what is
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actually going on, yeah.
You know, with in society.
And if you watch Josie and thePussycats, and you see it's like
this is a a goofy, you know,teen, you know, young adult, uh,
you know, comedy movie, but thenyou like look at the subtext and
the the plot, and then you lookat like you know, people like
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Taylor Swift and you know, youknow, what Beyonce has turned
into and before she be whenBeyonce was Destiny's child, you
know, that's a whole notherthing.
But once Beyonce became, youknow, Queen B or whatever, you
know, it's a whole it's it'slike you know, and now she she
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just she did like some countrysong, right?
You know, and everybody's likeBeyonce, country, you know, oh
my god, you know, who knew shewas so versatile, you know, and
but at the same time it's likeall those major musicians, it's
like it it's it's very clear tome, especially, and I gotta be
careful with this, you know,because the Swifties will come
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after me.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
You get Swifties, what you get fifty Swifties on
your podcast and show.
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (11:18):
You know, the Swifties will come after you.
I've been warned, I've beenwarned.
John Paul warned me.
He's he's not what you say,they'll come after you.
And I and I know this because Ithere was some I forget the
exact uh incident, but basicallythere was like some some I think
it was a football player orsomething to do with football,
(11:41):
you know, because Taylor Swift'suh boyfriend is a football
player here in the States, andsomeone apparently said
something negative about TaylorSwift and the f her the guy
she's dating with for I I don'tI don't follow sports that much.
Yeah, so I apologize for the myAmerican listeners who are like,
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you don't know what the fuckyou're talking about with with
football, you know.
But any anyways, it was likethey they act apparently a bunch
of Swifties were were going outof their way to leave bad
reviews on this this footballplayer's like I think it was his
mom or something's likerestaurant or some type of small
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business, and they wereliterally like just going out of
their way to like leave badreviews to like you know in turn
like not attract business.
SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
You know, that's some feral feral obsessive fan
base, but innit?
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, you know, I mean thatthat's insanity, like you know,
I mean I'm I'm wondering on myend, is there not like some
legal, you know, like violationor something by uh by doing what
they did.
I mean, I I don't know.
I didn't go to I'm not a lawyer,I didn't go to law school, but
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you know, just like the thecraziness of of like that's on
my that's like psych that that'slike uh psycho fan base stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a it's a radical pack
mentality, isn't it?
That's crackers, yeah.
But people will go to thatlengths to defend in honor their
favourite artist, which I kindof like.
I don't know whether I admirethat or I think that's a little
bit obsessed.
That's a little bit nuts, yeah.
That's a little bit far, isn'tit?
It's like exactly, you know.
(13:36):
I'm gonna research this.
I'm gonna have to research thisbecause the only thing I've seen
about Taylor Swift is that theAmerican and Canadian music
people that have defended herand Bruce Springsteen from
something which came up on mything, there was a statement
because they've been attacked byMr.
Trump or something, but it'slike, but to know you've got
such a like a flock of Swifties,a flock of mad this is mental.
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You could write a story or a bigsort of like mad mic manga or
some mad comic sign about this,couldn't you?
Right, right.
Yeah, it's very much sin city.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
I mean it brings uh it brings like uh the the
Stephen King uh novel and andmovie that that came out and uh
I guess it was the 80s or earlynight, like misery.
Yeah, the the the idea of likethe the obsessive fan.
SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Oh the obsessive fan, yeah.
You know, that was a creepyfilm, misery, wasn't it?
Whoa.
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Kathy Bates literally killed it in that in
that yeah, that was an amazingperformance.
SPEAKER_00 (14:38):
That that was mega yeah, and I actually I actually
just found this out recently.
Apparently, Stephen King waslike blown away with Kathy
Bates' performance so much withmisery that he specifically
wrote Dolores Claiborne for herto play.
SPEAKER_03 (14:56):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (14:57):
In in a film version, the the film version,
you know, because he was so likeblown away and impressed with
her performance and misery.
And you know, rest in peace,James Kahn, you know, what a
awesome actor he was.
Um I mean, I just watched thismorning, it was he was on one of
the movie channels, one of myall-time favorite 2000s crime,
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you know, thriller films, TheWay of the Gun.
A lot of stars in that.
Vinicio Del Toro, Ryan Philippi,James Conn, Juliet Lewis,
speaking of Dust Hold On.
Yeah, you know, her father latefather, Jeffrey Lewis, was in
it.
Really it's a it's done like Iwant to say the film that they
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probably took the mostinspiration from was Bush
Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Yeah.
It has a very like even themusic is like a very like
Western, like like a modern day,like Western crime, you know,
thriller.
Great, great movie.
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They you know, they they do notpick make crime movies like this
anymore.
And even when this came out, Icould tell it was like a dying,
you know, dying breed, dyingstyle.
It's a even the the the showdownis even, they mean even at it,
it's like a the showdown, justlike in Bush Casting, the
Sundance Kid, you know, it'slike in in you know, the
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showdown is in like like youknow, what is it, a Mexican,
like, you know, you know,whorehouse or something.
Like it's the same thing in theway of the gun.
Oh, that'll be like there'sthere's the whole this this
awesome, awesome showdown at atthis this Mexican whorehouse.
And it the the the look of it islike so like this is clearly
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like a a modern day western, youknow, it's it's it's a fantastic
film and probably my number onefavorite Ryan Philippi role, and
I think probably one of his mostunderrated roles from Benicio
Del Toro.
And there's there's a lot ofother stars in it, but great
film.
I just was like uh they don'tthey don't play it that often on
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TV anymore.
So like when they when they runit on like a movie channel where
it goes to streaming, I'm like,I'm like, this is a blast.
This is a blast from the past.
This is like this is like highschool, you know, for for me.
And I'm like, I remember, youknow, watching it on Showtime
and being like, this, this is agreat fucking movie.
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You know, and and I I also likeit's it's kind of hard to find
on like like physical media.
I I'm not sure if they convertedit to Blu-ray or if it's if it's
just on D V D.
SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Sometimes that's good when films are hard to
find, innit?
Yes, it gives you that givesthat good cult cult backing.
SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
Exactly.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:55):
It doesn't become so it's not as disposable, it
doesn't come that accessible.
So when when things are likethat, I think they they get that
sort of like little goodfollowing that people get behind
you and go, Oh, you can't get iton this, you can't get it on
that.
It's like music, isn't it?
It's like oh that hip hop, thathip-hop album that was only out
on a C60 tape, or something likethat that you could listen to
and say, like, oh that you can'tget that now, you can only get
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that on certain grand vinyl, andliterally it's out of stock, or
people search for it becauseit's never been put onto
Spotify, never been transferredto CD.
So yeah, you've got to go look.
And when you give when you findit or you find something that
you want that's like that, it itit means such a load more.
Film scores as well that becomeiconic, don't they?
Exactly.
Um and and when the two gotogether, it it works a treat,
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and and if it works right, it itbecomes so memorable, don't it?
SPEAKER_00 (18:43):
And so sometimes the the score can outdo the film.
I think it can, can't it?
SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
I mean, I mean, I mean Blade Runner again, the the
score, and I and I talked aboutthis with uh John Paul.
He was he was talking about howfrom a musician's perspective,
he's he's tried himself and withhis band to try and like figure
out some of the notes that thatthey that uh I forget the the
(19:09):
the band that uh that did thescore, the original Blade
Runner, is it Vidja?
I'll I'll I'll have to look itup, but um the the it was an
actual band that it was in the80s that there's a couple bands
that did scores to movies, likeTangerine Dream did a a couple
scores, and I just I can't itstarts with a V, I'm pretty
(19:31):
sure.
Evangelist or something.
SPEAKER_04 (19:33):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
I can't remember, but he was basically saying that
from a musician's likeperspective, trying to figure
out how they hit some of thenotes, like in in in Blade
Runner for the scores, like hewould he would say to me, It's
like oh yeah, yeah, I see howthey I finally figured it out.
Okay you know, and in the pointbeing that you know the the
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score for that film was not justlike putting some notes together
and making a a score, it wasactually just like the the film,
the score was an artisticmasterpiece.
The Shining with Jack Nicholson.
That film is probably my exampleof how the score actually
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outdoes the actual film.
Because honestly, I don't thinkthe movie would be as scary as
you know it is without the theintensity of the score whoever
did it for Kubrick.
And and I say that actuallyabout all of Kubrick's films,
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especially Clockwork Orange andFull Metal Jacket, which you
know I was apparently the onlyone to know this in in film
school.
My my my teacher who you knowhas has a lot of credits to his
name was asking us some triviaone time about you know full
metal jacket, and he was like,does anybody know where the the
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the final you know climax scenewhere they're they're you know
in the ruins and dealing withthe the sniper was shot.
And I I said London.
And he was like, How did youknow that?
And I said, Well well, I I II've seen every Kubrick film
that that he's done uh prior tohis death, plus I watched the
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commentary on it and and I don'tknow, here's some more trivia
for you.
The helicopter that, you know,was used Info Metal Jack is
actually Kubrick's helicopter.
And they just painted it green,uh you know, to use for the
film. 'Cause if you look at whatthe helicopter is, it's n no
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Vietnam, you know, Americanmilitary force uses that kind of
helicopter, you know, especiallyin during the Vietnam War.
So my my teacher was like, huh,I didn't know that.
Oh well, there we go.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean I I I could I'mlike literally a movie and music
encyclopedia.
So and it's great when the twothen come together then in it.
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Yes.
Yes.
And that that's where like Ialways love talking about movies
and music, especially withactors and musicians, because
you know getting what what theirtaste is, you know, how they
view like music and film and howyou know the two definitely
coincide together.
And not just with scores, butI've actually gotten a lot of
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artists just from hearing youknow their music in in film.
Two of the the big ones thathave become to you know two of
my all-time favorite bandsreally of not just from the 90s
but really of all time is on thesubject of psych and shoe gays
and all that the dandy warholesand the Brian Jonestown
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massacre.
SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
Yeah some good sounds there in it we were only
listening to Dandy's the otherday but we saw him in UK a
couple of months ago they wereplaying with the black angels
who I really like yes they'reanother great band.
Yeah that that that was a goodsort of like um double header
when we when we saw them on ontour.
So yeah some there's some goodmusic going around isn't there
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and uh it's it's really good toembrace it and see what's
happening.
SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
Definitely I mean the the it's it's crazy because
like the the general areas thatI I see like the major musical
movements kind of like going onis the whole Ireland Glasgow
Scotland yeah the K area butalso like in the EU with like
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France Germany Sweden you knowthere there's a lot of I just
want to give a shout out spidersand blues pills you know the the
those girls and their theirbands are phenomenal they they
remind me of like you know DavidBowie and you know T Rex and and
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and like you know like that thatera and style of like lamb rock
you know and then the UK and andScotland area and and some of
France is like you know really Ican see a lot of a lot of the
the huge like you know shoe gazeand dream pop and like neo
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psychedella you know type typemovement and same can kind of go
for Australia and New Zealand.
They have a huge psych rockscene and also alternative rock
scene and then at the same timeI see like really three like
different rock movements goingon right now.
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One is like the the the shoegays and you know psychedilla
you know movement.
The other is like I don't knowhow what the right word is like
retro kind of 60s 70s revivalkind of happening in the same
areas and then the othermovement and some of it is going
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on in in the US with this aswell but it's it's actually
become so prominent that itshowed up in my Spotify as like
an actual genre that's that newgenre that's been created called
new wave grunge and it's like atthe end of grunge we had post
grunge yeah which is likenickelback and creed and yeah
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yeah it's not it's like it'slike grunge lost its way after
that didn't it was like yeahyeah most the demise of nirvana
and um guard and I've beenchanged it's kind of lost yeah
it kind of lost its way thenyeah this the pumpkins it all
all all lost its way and justvery much like what I always
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compared the the the 90s to the60s you know because all the the
heroes you know were were eitherdead by you know well what like
70s 71 or the the last remainingones were kind of gone by the
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80s you know and the same thinghappened in the 90s with all the
the musical you know renaissancelike like heroes you know
starting with cobain you knowthen lane staley then you know
losing Cornell a couple yearsago Chester as well right right
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you know that that the mostrecent one you know so it's like
it's it's like literally youknow you know like all the the
major you know heroes from youknow the the the whole grunge
movement they either all died oryou know slowly passed away over
the years and like the thegroups just kind of broke up
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it's like you know what what arethe doors without Jim Morrison
you know uh there is no doorswithout there is no doors
exactly they tried they tried itand I do love Ian asbury and
whatever going on but there's nocult there's no cult without an
Ian I Ian asbury right howeverIan asbury is not the front man
of the doors is he so there isno doors without Jim Morrison
it's exactly exactly and it's uman another another band shout
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out I want to I want to give onthe subject of the doors because
this band is like the closest Ithink we're ever going to get to
the reincarnation of the doorsthey're called Birth of Joy.
SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
I believe they're from France originally I'll have
that I figured my list them yeahthey they have they're they're
kind of older now they they werelike the 2010s but uh they have
quite a few albums and some likeI think one or two live albums
and I mean they have this onesong it's been a while since I
listened to them but it itreally reminded me of like I
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think Waiting for the Sun andsome like other like like
there's one song in particularI'll I'll I'll I'll look it up
and I'll I'll I'll send you alink.
Yeah please send me in becauseand they and they perform it
live too and the live versionyou know again like we were
talking about the beginning ofthe interview some bands you
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know are better studios some youcan't contain the the the the
energy and this band is likethey're they're great studio
they're even better live ohthat's cool and I just remember
the one song it's just I can'tthink of it because it's been a
while since I listened to themand I listened to like so much
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so much music you know you yougotta go back and like dig you
know but it it it just like itit completely in in in
encompassed and incarnated thedoors and and and this the
singer also I'm not sure whathis name is but I mean they have
like an organist and you knowlike just everything that like
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the made up the doors like thethe in the singer like you know
it's like hearing Morrisonreincarnated.
Yeah it's like literally I meanit's like he sounds exactly like
Morrison the whole sound of theband sounds like the doors so
just want to on the subject ofmusic and yeah let's give that a
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go then EU music and UK and allthat I had had to bring that
band up another one that I Ireally admire is called the wolf
not hurt them they're alsosomewhere I forget exactly where
they're from but definitely uhEU and they have a very like the
whole uh like retro you knowclassic rock kind of revival
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sound they're really good toobut the the closest that we have
to someone like that in theStates I just did an interview
with his his name is JossiHughes and the band is called
jossy it's it's spelled weirdthough it's like G Y S I or
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something he is basically theAmerican version of blues pills
and spiders and like you knowthe the glam rock and he even
the whole show and how hedresses performing live and
everything is very like Bowie infact if I could sum him three
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bands that kind of like sum uphis music it would be Bowie
T-Rex mixed with like Jet Yeahand he just apparently did
guitar helped out on guitar withAlice Cooper's like latest
single for his upcoming albumthat's like the first album with
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like the original Alice Cooperlineup from like the the 60s and
70s so he's definitely like youknow moving up in the uh the the
the music rock you know rocklegend you know scene you know
but Alice Cooper is anotheranother you know hit him and in
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and Sabbath yeah they keep goingdon't they longevity yeah yeah
you know there's there's somefilm that's that I always found
this funny because I'm like ehit's kind of true.
I forget what movie it was butthey they said something like
British rockers don't die youknow it's it's the right it's
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the American ones that that alldie you know early the the the
British ones just keep you knowsomehow are able to survive all
the the drug and alcohol and uhjust the the tick cold you know
and I'm like the only exceptionto the case the only two
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exceptions to the case that Ican think of is like John Bonham
and Keith Moon you know you knowbut but if you look at like the
rest of like all the the the oldyou know rockers from uh from
that era I mean Jesus looking mcJagger and and Keith Richards is
like they're they're like thewalking dead yeah give the young
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kids a go come on lads you'vehad your day give the young kids
this there's loads of 18 20 30year 20 odd year old kids out
there waiting for the break I'mnot even asking for my share
because I'm posting anyway butgive the kids a go give give one
of the kids a go come on rightright right yeah it's like uh I
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always just I was like that thatis really funny because it's
like just look at Ozzy you knowyeah I I did have the pleasure
of meeting his son Jack you knowwho was like on uh the Osborne's
and the the show that was likeon MTV and everything but was by
the way he is a talk about likebeing humble and down to earth
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and totally unaffected bynepotism and his father's and
you know parents' money you knowhe he came to like Pittsburgh's
big uh like Comic Con conventionand you know like most of it's
it's kind of turned into overthe last I want to say two years
really that like the people thatthey book it's like you're if
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you want an autograph and aselfie not to mention like the
for admission and everything youknow to the event you're looking
at like spending a hundreddollars of US money easy almost
almost as like a a standardthing now to for like an
autograph and a selfie combo orsomething.
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Some of it is like for some ofthese people it's it's just an
autograph and a a photographonly if you're spending a
hundred dollars which is insane.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
Things have got crazy these days aren't they
it's like we I thought our artwas supposed to be accessible to
everybody exactly and this iswhere it should be shouldn't it
like a film an art a pictureit's music should be open and
accessible to everybody whateverclass you are but the the the
the art to get in likeeverything and we talked about
division the arts are gettingdivisive and it's it's becoming
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a survey the elite can the elitecan afford whether it be a
ticket for a big venue or whocan't and it's it's not good
when it gets like that becausewe should keep prices even for
big stars as we want to callthem they're right affordable
because someone's making a lotof money somewhere and that
should be passed down andpercolated down to everybody
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shouldn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
Exactly that that's that's that's what I say because
you're you that's exactly whatyou said you're essentially
saying this is for the elite andthis is for the the the lower
you know the middle class whichis almost being you know
evaporated from what's going on.
SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
I think that also gives the the underground a
place to thrive doesn't it itcan live if if if if the
underground the people that areless affordable can can find an
accessible art then it it meansthe underground and the
subcultures can grow in theirown little places and microcosms
and and and survive and andexist alongside it in a totally
different world.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
I completely agree with that and that's also kind
of like my mission you knowthrough talking to you and Sean
Paul and just all all the thebands that I really not just
like and love and dig you knowthe the music but it's like I
kind of feel it's like mymission to help the underground
(36:09):
you know because if my mark if Ileft this world and my mark was
like through differentcelebrities and you know
different like you know levelsof celebrities that I interview
you know and and I can say youknow you need to check out this
band or there's this band youknow that I I know you know that
(36:33):
that if you like this music youwould really like you know this
band.
And if if it can be like like Iguess if I could be you know the
the main person responsible forlike bringing you know bands
like yourself and John Paul withHelicon and you know Stanley
(36:54):
Belton with black market karmaand you know all just all the
bands that like are theunderground into essentially the
mainstream like I I feel likeyou know I mean I remember
growing up in the 90s and youknow when it was just a plethora
of of different types of music.
(37:14):
I mean it wasn't just grunge itwasn't just rap you know the
there was all sorts of differentyou know kinds of music going on
and it was all like you know itwas like a beautiful time it was
like you know the it was like wewere more united as like culture
and society and countries andpeople you know and it seems
(37:39):
like since that ended you knowit's good we've got facilitators
don't we?
SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
We've got like you're like you said you're a
facilitator you you you you'resharing and bringing different
genres and different peopletogether in different sides of
this big ocean that we've gotright and I and I think that's
that's it's great becausewithout we we're taking it back
to the old school style of ohhave you heard of these?
Have you heard of them?
Have you heard of those and andword of mouth is is is to me
it's one of the best things todo.
(38:06):
It's like um here's yoursuggestion not on Spotify but in
person.
And if someone suggest your bandin person that means they've got
some heart and emotion into ithaven't they so right I I think
there's there's an element ofwell well if he's listen to them
and he says they're good I'mgonna have to give them a listen
not just because an algorithmhas said that but a person has
said that so there's an elementof like well there's got to be
(38:27):
an element of truth in it.
So exactly if there's an elementof passion and honesty then
there's an element of truthwhich means if this person who I
know likes a lot of bands issaying have a listen then I'm
gonna go have a listen.
I always write stuff down thatpeople are saying it right I'm
gonna go have a look at that andI always will because you you've
got to go find it because ifsomeone's saying well you've
named this band, this band thisband that are good now you've
(38:48):
mentioned them well I don't knowthem but I've known the other
ones then if they're in thatsort of stable and platform then
it's got to be good.
SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
And that that's again where back to like Fuzz
phase Jason Shaw um like Nesbidwith uh little cloud records and
you know I'm hoping some of ourstuff will go to him because
sister nine who were signed tothe they work with little clouds
a little bit I think so sothat'll be good if it if it gets
them they're based in Portlandaren't they?
Yeah yeah I I'm actually friendswith here we go speak of the the
(39:18):
fucking devil you know he shallappear uh I I'm I'm friends with
Mike on on Facebook and on on Xor you know Twitter whatever the
hell it is you know I I I willI'll shoot him a message and say
I just interviewed you know youguys and he should definitely
check you out.
(39:39):
Good you know the that's thevery least I can do and
hopefully the rest falls intoyeah hopefully the music will be
the battering ram that it'llstill be that's what it's about
at the end of the day in itright right and and you know if
I can connect you to someone oryou can connect me to someone
through you know mutual talkingand just getting to know me and
(40:02):
being like well you like thisand I I know these people you
know like like for instance Ijust did a big interview with
the president of Scheckterguitars and his name is Michael
Saravolo and he's been inmultiple bands the band that I
was interviewing him in relationto the interview was called
(40:23):
Beauty and Chaos.
They've had like close to like Ithink 20 or 30 like different
band members on in the course oflike them actually making music
and some of these artistsconsist of like Marilyn Manson
Trent Reznor Tyler Bates Ice TBody County and you know during
(40:49):
our interview he was apparentlylike totally unaware that
there's all these like reallylike rock is not dead you know
it's thriving and livingthriving and living you just got
just living in the undergroundit's there ready to resurrect
and no exactly just gonna knowwhere to look and I essentially
(41:10):
told him not only is rock notdead not only is it alive and
thriving but there's like threelike major like rock movements
going on right now which we justdiscussed and kicking and
screaming.
Exactly and I I told him thatand I gave him a list of some
bands to check out and he at theend of the interview like almost
(41:34):
a I think it was actually overtwo hours which is where we're
headed now.
SPEAKER_01 (41:40):
We're headed now yeah and I'm gonna have to cut
it I'm gonna have to cut it offsoon because it's like quarter
past five here yeah yeah I gotyou and I've got an appointment
yeah okay I got it I'mbelievable.
Okay in that case uh I'll sum itup and just say yeah you know he
was like I I I I put belief backin him and he he's a major you
(42:00):
know like veteran actual rockstar like you know in the States
you know musician so if I can dothat just just by talking to
someone like that and he saidyou know in turn he would put me
in touch with anyone who he'sfriends with which opens doors
to Marilyn Manson nine inchnails iced tea body count you
(42:22):
know exactly but the the pointis like if I can do that to
spread the word and like yousaid word of mouth you know and
have a movement essentially belike you know happen because of
me I would leave this earthbeing happy not saying I want to
have it happen anytime soon it'sall happening though in it it's
all happening just chatting overthe phone with waves going over
(42:46):
the the Atlantic it's happeningalready right it is man we've
already got mutual friends inJohn Paul and little clouds
everything's connectedeverything's symbiotic
everything works together and aslong as we're working together
everything works don't itexactly exactly and on that note
I have two closer questions foryou oh I know you you were you
were just in Japan doing sometouring I wanted to see if you
(43:10):
if you had any your could plugany upcoming projects slash
tours to promote and then thefinal question what three bands
slash guests would you recommendto come on the show?
Ooh wow okay so yeah we've gotlike I think we've got about 30
(43:31):
gigs coming up in the UKstarting with festivals this
weekend at a strummerom recordspunk festival and then we go all
the way through Southern UKtour, loads of psychedelic
festivals then we release ouralbum and then we take that on
about 25 dates around the UK andwe're going to do seven dates in
Japan at the end of the year.
(43:51):
Once that's concluded we'regonna take a break write a bit
of new stuff and then we'regonna kick on into 2026.
So we've got loads going on thisyear in the UK Three bands that
I can give you, and I'm gonnahave to give you three that
you've not heard of, which I'mgonna have to delve in.
I'm gonna have to give Delveinto something that psychedelic
band.
(44:12):
We're bringing them over to playwith us.
They're coming over, but they'regonna do a gig with us, and
we're playing with them inOsaka, and it's a band that's
Japanese from Osaka calledHiboshibra, and they're on riot
season records in the UK.
Same label as African MotherTemple that we played with not
quite recently.
So Hiboshibra will be one, andthat's a Japanese band.
(44:33):
In the UK, I'm gonna give you aband that we just played with
the other day called CherryFull's Club, which is from
Leeds, and they supported us inManchester the other day.
And they're a European band.
I'm gonna try and get away fromFull's Club and give you another
(44:55):
band that you might not haveheard of, which is French, and
I'm gonna say Jesus French.
I'm just trying to think of FullClub.
Let's go within one UK, oneEurope, one Japanese, which is
where we might never have heardof.
But I will throw you a rat atall the band from the UK that if
(45:18):
you're liking that irishresurgence of all the phone with
new words and psychic industrialsound in the UK.
There is a lot of mega scenegoing on here at the moment.
And and it's really good.
You'll also like blood worm fromNottingham, which is a really
good family friendly as well.
SPEAKER_00 (45:36):
Awesome, awesome.
Already I'm like I gotta checkthose.
Please, please, please show me amessage on Facebook or email or
something with a list of otherones uh that you whenever they
come to mind or whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
Yeah, there's all different how we made it in
Manchester the battery farm.
Very visceral, very industrial.
SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Awesome, awesome.
I I will I cannot wait to checkout all those ones and whoever
else you would recommend and allthat.
Um very excited.
It was a pleasure having youcome take a swim in the fish
pool.
SPEAKER_01 (46:18):
Thank you very much.
Love that.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
I thought the amateur was just right.
SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
That was beautiful, mate.
Love you to do that win.
SPEAKER_00 (46:27):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (46:31):
Alright.
Alright, brother.
SPEAKER_00 (46:36):
Alright, take care.
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I'm your host Sam Fish andtoday's episode wraps up my
conclusion interview with JackHorner from UK's critically
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SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
The psychedelia that came out of California is
totally different to the meganoise that came out of New York
from the early 70s and it or themid-70s.
SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
Right, and the same same thing with rap.
Like East Coast 90s, 80s and 90sEast Coast rap versus 80s and
90s West Coast rap is liketotally different.
But at the same time, like allthe the rap groups and the rap
artists, you know, solo guysfrom the East Coast and the West
(05:02):
Coast all kind of had like ifyou were from the West Coast and
you were from the East Coast,you all kind of had like a very
similar style with like how yourhymed and and the the the type
of you know music you would haveessentially going to you know
(05:24):
overlapping you rapping.
Um it's it's very it's like youcan tell the people who are from
the east coast, and you can tellthe people who are from the west
coast.
Like the West Coast had a lot oflike you could hear like P funk
and you know George Clinton,James Brown, you know, like
Motown, all all like, you know,the RB and funk, you know, that
(05:50):
was big in the the 60s and 70s,and the the East Coast was much
more like raw, you know, it wasit was more yeah, I don't want
it I don't want to say edgybecause they were both both were
edgy, but it was it was like youthere was a distinct sound, and
now like I mean rap and and andmainstream rap, let me let me
(06:17):
rephrase mainstream rap, justlike mainstream rock, just like
mainstream country, just likemainstream music in general, is
is like not sure if you everseen that movie, uh, and I I I
brought this up in severalinterviews I've done with
musicians to kind of give theidea, but it came out in the
(06:39):
early 2000s, uh Josie and thePussycast.
Okay, the basically the the plotit's it's based on a old like
70s cartoon show.
And I I'm not sure if it wasshown in in the UK or Europe,
but it was a uh American,definitely an American like 70s
(07:00):
cartoon, and they made it into alive action movie, and the plot
of this movie is like you havelike the the boy bands, like you
know, in sync and backstreetboys, who they were like really
doing a play on at the timebecause they were like the big
the big boy bands when it cameout.
And the idea of this film isthat like the record companies
(07:25):
whenever like a musician die amusicians die in a plane crash
or you know, overdose or youknow all mysteriously dying at
uh 27, you know, it's it's allkind of been orchestrated by the
record companies because theydidn't want to comply.
(07:45):
So basically there's like andthen you have like you know, I
think what's his name, Alan.
Is it Alan Cumming?
I'm gonna I think is was theactor's name.
He he plays this this like youknow age music agent and
basically the the the boy bandof the time that they're like
currently headlighting, youknow, dies in a plane crash.
(08:08):
So they they need to find like anew a new like you know pop
group that they can you knowmarket to the youth.
And they have this whole scenewhere like they're going through
like the the scam of like thethe industry where you know it's
subliminal messaging.
And you know, they they theyplay the the pop music or
(08:32):
whatever and there's you knowthey overlap it with subliminal
messaging and they show likethis whole scene and he's giving
you know exposition basically,you know, in in the sequence
that this is what they do andthis is like their the the you
know antagonists of the film,and they they show like how
(08:52):
there's this group of likeessentially zombies, you know,
teen teenage zombies that arelike listening to this music and
you know just like you know youknow and then there's like one
person who's like supposed to belike a goth girl, you know, and
she says, I understand why thisis so catchy, you know, and and
(09:15):
and you know, Alan Cumming orwhatever his name is, he played
the agent, is like, Oh really?
You d you don't you don't thinkthis is like catchy or anything?
She says, No, in fact, I thinkit sucks.
You know, and he says, Oh,really?
That's interesting.
Will you come with me realquick?
I'd love to, you know, get youryour full assessment, blah blah
blah.
She follows him outside, a ablack van, you know, pulls up,
(09:41):
slides open the door, takes thegirl in, puts a black bag over
her head, and then she's like,never, you know, never seen
again.
Right.
You know.
And the the the whole I the thepoint is like movies from like
the nineties and even you knowearly two thousands, it's like
they they almost were like doingsubcontext on like what is
(10:05):
actually going on, yeah.
You know, with in society.
And if you watch Josie and thePussycats, and you see it's like
this is a a goofy, you know,teen, you know, young adult, uh,
you know, comedy movie, but thenyou like look at the subtext and
the the plot, and then you lookat like you know, people like
(10:28):
Taylor Swift and you know, youknow, what Beyonce has turned
into and before she be whenBeyonce was Destiny's child, you
know, that's a whole notherthing.
But once Beyonce became, youknow, Queen B or whatever, you
know, it's a whole it's it'slike you know, and now she she
(10:48):
just she did like some countrysong, right?
You know, and everybody's likeBeyonce, country, you know, oh
my god, you know, who knew shewas so versatile, you know, and
but at the same time it's likeall those major musicians, it's
like it it's it's very clear tome, especially, and I gotta be
careful with this, you know,because the Swifties will come
(11:12):
after me.
SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
You get Swifties, what you get fifty Swifties on
your podcast and show.
That's interesting.
SPEAKER_00 (11:18):
You know, the Swifties will come after you.
I've been warned, I've beenwarned.
John Paul warned me.
He's he's not what you say,they'll come after you.
And I and I know this because Ithere was some I forget the
exact uh incident, but basicallythere was like some some I think
it was a football player orsomething to do with football,
(11:41):
you know, because Taylor Swift'suh boyfriend is a football
player here in the States, andsomeone apparently said
something negative about TaylorSwift and the f her the guy
she's dating with for I I don'tI don't follow sports that much.
Yeah, so I apologize for the myAmerican listeners who are like,
(12:05):
you don't know what the fuckyou're talking about with with
football, you know.
But any anyways, it was likethey they act apparently a bunch
of Swifties were were going outof their way to leave bad
reviews on this this footballplayer's like I think it was his
mom or something's likerestaurant or some type of small
(12:27):
business, and they wereliterally like just going out of
their way to like leave badreviews to like you know in turn
like not attract business.
SPEAKER_01 (12:39):
You know, that's some feral feral obsessive fan
base, but innit?
SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah, you know, I mean thatthat's insanity, like you know,
I mean I'm I'm wondering on myend, is there not like some
legal, you know, like violationor something by uh by doing what
they did.
I mean, I I don't know.
I didn't go to I'm not a lawyer,I didn't go to law school, but
(13:05):
you know, just like the thecraziness of of like that's on
my that's like psych that that'slike uh psycho fan base stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (13:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a it's a radical pack
mentality, isn't it?
That's crackers, yeah.
But people will go to thatlengths to defend in honor their
favourite artist, which I kindof like.
I don't know whether I admirethat or I think that's a little
bit obsessed.
That's a little bit nuts, yeah.
That's a little bit far, isn'tit?
It's like exactly, you know.
(13:36):
I'm gonna research this.
I'm gonna have to research thisbecause the only thing I've seen
about Taylor Swift is that theAmerican and Canadian music
people that have defended herand Bruce Springsteen from
something which came up on mything, there was a statement
because they've been attacked byMr.
Trump or something, but it'slike, but to know you've got
such a like a flock of Swifties,a flock of mad this is mental.
(14:02):
You could write a story or a bigsort of like mad mic manga or
some mad comic sign about this,couldn't you?
Right, right.
Yeah, it's very much sin city.
SPEAKER_00 (14:11):
I mean it brings uh it brings like uh the the
Stephen King uh novel and andmovie that that came out and uh
I guess it was the 80s or earlynight, like misery.
Yeah, the the the idea of likethe the obsessive fan.
SPEAKER_01 (14:25):
Oh the obsessive fan, yeah.
You know, that was a creepyfilm, misery, wasn't it?
Whoa.
SPEAKER_00 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:32):
Kathy Bates literally killed it in that in
that yeah, that was an amazingperformance.
SPEAKER_00 (14:38):
That that was mega yeah, and I actually I actually
just found this out recently.
Apparently, Stephen King waslike blown away with Kathy
Bates' performance so much withmisery that he specifically
wrote Dolores Claiborne for herto play.
SPEAKER_03 (14:56):
Wow.
SPEAKER_00 (14:57):
In in a film version, the the film version,
you know, because he was so likeblown away and impressed with
her performance and misery.
And you know, rest in peace,James Kahn, you know, what a
awesome actor he was.
Um I mean, I just watched thismorning, it was he was on one of
the movie channels, one of myall-time favorite 2000s crime,
(15:21):
you know, thriller films, TheWay of the Gun.
A lot of stars in that.
Vinicio Del Toro, Ryan Philippi,James Conn, Juliet Lewis,
speaking of Dust Hold On.
Yeah, you know, her father latefather, Jeffrey Lewis, was in
it.
Really it's a it's done like Iwant to say the film that they
(15:42):
probably took the mostinspiration from was Bush
Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Yeah.
It has a very like even themusic is like a very like
Western, like like a modern day,like Western crime, you know,
thriller.
Great, great movie.
(16:02):
They you know, they they do notpick make crime movies like this
anymore.
And even when this came out, Icould tell it was like a dying,
you know, dying breed, dyingstyle.
It's a even the the the showdownis even, they mean even at it,
it's like a the showdown, justlike in Bush Casting, the
Sundance Kid, you know, it'slike in in you know, the
(16:25):
showdown is in like like youknow, what is it, a Mexican,
like, you know, you know,whorehouse or something.
Like it's the same thing in theway of the gun.
Oh, that'll be like there'sthere's the whole this this
awesome, awesome showdown at atthis this Mexican whorehouse.
And it the the the look of it islike so like this is clearly
(16:48):
like a a modern day western, youknow, it's it's it's a fantastic
film and probably my number onefavorite Ryan Philippi role, and
I think probably one of his mostunderrated roles from Benicio
Del Toro.
And there's there's a lot ofother stars in it, but great
film.
I just was like uh they don'tthey don't play it that often on
(17:11):
TV anymore.
So like when they when they runit on like a movie channel where
it goes to streaming, I'm like,I'm like, this is a blast.
This is a blast from the past.
This is like this is like highschool, you know, for for me.
And I'm like, I remember, youknow, watching it on Showtime
and being like, this, this is agreat fucking movie.
(17:34):
You know, and and I I also likeit's it's kind of hard to find
on like like physical media.
I I'm not sure if they convertedit to Blu-ray or if it's if it's
just on D V D.
SPEAKER_01 (17:48):
Sometimes that's good when films are hard to
find, innit?
Yes, it gives you that givesthat good cult cult backing.
SPEAKER_00 (17:54):
Exactly.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (17:55):
It doesn't become so it's not as disposable, it
doesn't come that accessible.
So when when things are likethat, I think they they get that
sort of like little goodfollowing that people get behind
you and go, Oh, you can't get iton this, you can't get it on
that.
It's like music, isn't it?
It's like oh that hip hop, thathip-hop album that was only out
on a C60 tape, or something likethat that you could listen to
and say, like, oh that you can'tget that now, you can only get
(18:17):
that on certain grand vinyl, andliterally it's out of stock, or
people search for it becauseit's never been put onto
Spotify, never been transferredto CD.
So yeah, you've got to go look.
And when you give when you findit or you find something that
you want that's like that, it itit means such a load more.
Film scores as well that becomeiconic, don't they?
Exactly.
Um and and when the two gotogether, it it works a treat,
(18:39):
and and if it works right, it itbecomes so memorable, don't it?
SPEAKER_00 (18:43):
And so sometimes the the score can outdo the film.
I think it can, can't it?
SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (18:48):
I mean, I mean, I mean Blade Runner again, the the
score, and I and I talked aboutthis with uh John Paul.
He was he was talking about howfrom a musician's perspective,
he's he's tried himself and withhis band to try and like figure
out some of the notes that thatthey that uh I forget the the
(19:09):
the band that uh that did thescore, the original Blade
Runner, is it Vidja?
I'll I'll I'll have to look itup, but um the the it was an
actual band that it was in the80s that there's a couple bands
that did scores to movies, likeTangerine Dream did a a couple
scores, and I just I can't itstarts with a V, I'm pretty
(19:31):
sure.
Evangelist or something.
SPEAKER_04 (19:33):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (19:33):
I can't remember, but he was basically saying that
from a musician's likeperspective, trying to figure
out how they hit some of thenotes, like in in in Blade
Runner for the scores, like hewould he would say to me, It's
like oh yeah, yeah, I see howthey I finally figured it out.
Okay you know, and in the pointbeing that you know the the
(19:58):
score for that film was not justlike putting some notes together
and making a a score, it wasactually just like the the film,
the score was an artisticmasterpiece.
The Shining with Jack Nicholson.
That film is probably my exampleof how the score actually
(20:22):
outdoes the actual film.
Because honestly, I don't thinkthe movie would be as scary as
you know it is without the theintensity of the score whoever
did it for Kubrick.
And and I say that actuallyabout all of Kubrick's films,
(20:44):
especially Clockwork Orange andFull Metal Jacket, which you
know I was apparently the onlyone to know this in in film
school.
My my my teacher who you knowhas has a lot of credits to his
name was asking us some triviaone time about you know full
metal jacket, and he was like,does anybody know where the the
(21:08):
the final you know climax scenewhere they're they're you know
in the ruins and dealing withthe the sniper was shot.
And I I said London.
And he was like, How did youknow that?
And I said, Well well, I I II've seen every Kubrick film
that that he's done uh prior tohis death, plus I watched the
(21:30):
commentary on it and and I don'tknow, here's some more trivia
for you.
The helicopter that, you know,was used Info Metal Jack is
actually Kubrick's helicopter.
And they just painted it green,uh you know, to use for the
film. 'Cause if you look at whatthe helicopter is, it's n no
(21:53):
Vietnam, you know, Americanmilitary force uses that kind of
helicopter, you know, especiallyin during the Vietnam War.
So my my teacher was like, huh,I didn't know that.
Oh well, there we go.
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean I I I could I'mlike literally a movie and music
encyclopedia.
So and it's great when the twothen come together then in it.
(22:16):
Yes.
Yes.
And that that's where like Ialways love talking about movies
and music, especially withactors and musicians, because
you know getting what what theirtaste is, you know, how they
view like music and film and howyou know the two definitely
coincide together.
And not just with scores, butI've actually gotten a lot of
(22:40):
artists just from hearing youknow their music in in film.
Two of the the big ones thathave become to you know two of
my all-time favorite bandsreally of not just from the 90s
but really of all time is on thesubject of psych and shoe gays
and all that the dandy warholesand the Brian Jonestown
(23:03):
massacre.
SPEAKER_01 (23:04):
Yeah some good sounds there in it we were only
listening to Dandy's the otherday but we saw him in UK a
couple of months ago they wereplaying with the black angels
who I really like yes they'reanother great band.
Yeah that that that was a goodsort of like um double header
when we when we saw them on ontour.
So yeah some there's some goodmusic going around isn't there
(23:25):
and uh it's it's really good toembrace it and see what's
happening.
SPEAKER_00 (23:29):
Definitely I mean the the it's it's crazy because
like the the general areas thatI I see like the major musical
movements kind of like going onis the whole Ireland Glasgow
Scotland yeah the K area butalso like in the EU with like
(23:52):
France Germany Sweden you knowthere there's a lot of I just
want to give a shout out spidersand blues pills you know the the
those girls and their theirbands are phenomenal they they
remind me of like you know DavidBowie and you know T Rex and and
(24:14):
and like you know like that thatera and style of like lamb rock
you know and then the UK and andScotland area and and some of
France is like you know really Ican see a lot of a lot of the
the huge like you know shoe gazeand dream pop and like neo
(24:36):
psychedella you know type typemovement and same can kind of go
for Australia and New Zealand.
They have a huge psych rockscene and also alternative rock
scene and then at the same timeI see like really three like
different rock movements goingon right now.
(24:57):
One is like the the the shoegays and you know psychedilla
you know movement.
The other is like I don't knowhow what the right word is like
retro kind of 60s 70s revivalkind of happening in the same
areas and then the othermovement and some of it is going
(25:17):
on in in the US with this aswell but it's it's actually
become so prominent that itshowed up in my Spotify as like
an actual genre that's that newgenre that's been created called
new wave grunge and it's like atthe end of grunge we had post
grunge yeah which is likenickelback and creed and yeah
(25:42):
yeah it's not it's like it'slike grunge lost its way after
that didn't it was like yeahyeah most the demise of nirvana
and um guard and I've beenchanged it's kind of lost yeah
it kind of lost its way thenyeah this the pumpkins it all
all all lost its way and justvery much like what I always
(26:02):
compared the the the 90s to the60s you know because all the the
heroes you know were were eitherdead by you know well what like
70s 71 or the the last remainingones were kind of gone by the
(26:23):
80s you know and the same thinghappened in the 90s with all the
the musical you know renaissancelike like heroes you know
starting with cobain you knowthen lane staley then you know
losing Cornell a couple yearsago Chester as well right right
(26:45):
you know that that the mostrecent one you know so it's like
it's it's like literally youknow you know like all the the
major you know heroes from youknow the the the whole grunge
movement they either all died oryou know slowly passed away over
the years and like the thegroups just kind of broke up
(27:09):
it's like you know what what arethe doors without Jim Morrison
you know uh there is no doorswithout there is no doors
exactly they tried they tried itand I do love Ian asbury and
whatever going on but there's nocult there's no cult without an
Ian I Ian asbury right howeverIan asbury is not the front man
of the doors is he so there isno doors without Jim Morrison
it's exactly exactly and it's uman another another band shout
(27:32):
out I want to I want to give onthe subject of the doors because
this band is like the closest Ithink we're ever going to get to
the reincarnation of the doorsthey're called Birth of Joy.
SPEAKER_01 (27:46):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
I believe they're from France originally I'll have
that I figured my list them yeahthey they have they're they're
kind of older now they they werelike the 2010s but uh they have
quite a few albums and some likeI think one or two live albums
and I mean they have this onesong it's been a while since I
listened to them but it itreally reminded me of like I
(28:10):
think Waiting for the Sun andsome like other like like
there's one song in particularI'll I'll I'll I'll look it up
and I'll I'll I'll send you alink.
Yeah please send me in becauseand they and they perform it
live too and the live versionyou know again like we were
talking about the beginning ofthe interview some bands you
(28:31):
know are better studios some youcan't contain the the the the
energy and this band is likethey're they're great studio
they're even better live ohthat's cool and I just remember
the one song it's just I can'tthink of it because it's been a
while since I listened to themand I listened to like so much
(28:53):
so much music you know you yougotta go back and like dig you
know but it it it just like itit completely in in in
encompassed and incarnated thedoors and and and this the
singer also I'm not sure whathis name is but I mean they have
like an organist and you knowlike just everything that like
(29:16):
the made up the doors like thethe in the singer like you know
it's like hearing Morrisonreincarnated.
Yeah it's like literally I meanit's like he sounds exactly like
Morrison the whole sound of theband sounds like the doors so
just want to on the subject ofmusic and yeah let's give that a
(29:39):
go then EU music and UK and allthat I had had to bring that
band up another one that I Ireally admire is called the wolf
not hurt them they're alsosomewhere I forget exactly where
they're from but definitely uhEU and they have a very like the
whole uh like retro you knowclassic rock kind of revival
(30:03):
sound they're really good toobut the the closest that we have
to someone like that in theStates I just did an interview
with his his name is JossiHughes and the band is called
jossy it's it's spelled weirdthough it's like G Y S I or
(30:25):
something he is basically theAmerican version of blues pills
and spiders and like you knowthe the glam rock and he even
the whole show and how hedresses performing live and
everything is very like Bowie infact if I could sum him three
(30:46):
bands that kind of like sum uphis music it would be Bowie
T-Rex mixed with like Jet Yeahand he just apparently did
guitar helped out on guitar withAlice Cooper's like latest
single for his upcoming albumthat's like the first album with
(31:07):
like the original Alice Cooperlineup from like the the 60s and
70s so he's definitely like youknow moving up in the uh the the
the music rock you know rocklegend you know scene you know
but Alice Cooper is anotheranother you know hit him and in
(31:28):
and Sabbath yeah they keep goingdon't they longevity yeah yeah
you know there's there's somefilm that's that I always found
this funny because I'm like ehit's kind of true.
I forget what movie it was butthey they said something like
British rockers don't die youknow it's it's the right it's
(31:51):
the American ones that that alldie you know early the the the
British ones just keep you knowsomehow are able to survive all
the the drug and alcohol and uhjust the the tick cold you know
and I'm like the only exceptionto the case the only two
(32:11):
exceptions to the case that Ican think of is like John Bonham
and Keith Moon you know you knowbut but if you look at like the
rest of like all the the the oldyou know rockers from uh from
that era I mean Jesus looking mcJagger and and Keith Richards is
like they're they're like thewalking dead yeah give the young
(32:36):
kids a go come on lads you'vehad your day give the young kids
this there's loads of 18 20 30year 20 odd year old kids out
there waiting for the break I'mnot even asking for my share
because I'm posting anyway butgive the kids a go give give one
of the kids a go come on rightright right yeah it's like uh I
(32:59):
always just I was like that thatis really funny because it's
like just look at Ozzy you knowyeah I I did have the pleasure
of meeting his son Jack you knowwho was like on uh the Osborne's
and the the show that was likeon MTV and everything but was by
the way he is a talk about likebeing humble and down to earth
(33:26):
and totally unaffected bynepotism and his father's and
you know parents' money you knowhe he came to like Pittsburgh's
big uh like Comic Con conventionand you know like most of it's
it's kind of turned into overthe last I want to say two years
really that like the people thatthey book it's like you're if
(33:51):
you want an autograph and aselfie not to mention like the
for admission and everything youknow to the event you're looking
at like spending a hundreddollars of US money easy almost
almost as like a a standardthing now to for like an
autograph and a selfie combo orsomething.
(34:12):
Some of it is like for some ofthese people it's it's just an
autograph and a a photographonly if you're spending a
hundred dollars which is insane.
SPEAKER_01 (34:21):
Things have got crazy these days aren't they
it's like we I thought our artwas supposed to be accessible to
everybody exactly and this iswhere it should be shouldn't it
like a film an art a pictureit's music should be open and
accessible to everybody whateverclass you are but the the the
the art to get in likeeverything and we talked about
division the arts are gettingdivisive and it's it's becoming
(34:43):
a survey the elite can the elitecan afford whether it be a
ticket for a big venue or whocan't and it's it's not good
when it gets like that becausewe should keep prices even for
big stars as we want to callthem they're right affordable
because someone's making a lotof money somewhere and that
should be passed down andpercolated down to everybody
(35:03):
shouldn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (35:04):
Exactly that that's that's that's what I say because
you're you that's exactly whatyou said you're essentially
saying this is for the elite andthis is for the the the lower
you know the middle class whichis almost being you know
evaporated from what's going on.
SPEAKER_01 (35:24):
I think that also gives the the underground a
place to thrive doesn't it itcan live if if if if the
underground the people that areless affordable can can find an
accessible art then it it meansthe underground and the
subcultures can grow in theirown little places and microcosms
and and and survive and andexist alongside it in a totally
different world.
SPEAKER_00 (35:46):
I completely agree with that and that's also kind
of like my mission you knowthrough talking to you and Sean
Paul and just all all the thebands that I really not just
like and love and dig you knowthe the music but it's like I
kind of feel it's like mymission to help the underground
(36:09):
you know because if my mark if Ileft this world and my mark was
like through differentcelebrities and you know
different like you know levelsof celebrities that I interview
you know and and I can say youknow you need to check out this
band or there's this band youknow that I I know you know that
(36:33):
that if you like this music youwould really like you know this
band.
And if if it can be like like Iguess if I could be you know the
the main person responsible forlike bringing you know bands
like yourself and John Paul withHelicon and you know Stanley
(36:54):
Belton with black market karmaand you know all just all the
bands that like are theunderground into essentially the
mainstream like I I feel likeyou know I mean I remember
growing up in the 90s and youknow when it was just a plethora
of of different types of music.
(37:14):
I mean it wasn't just grunge itwasn't just rap you know the
there was all sorts of differentyou know kinds of music going on
and it was all like you know itwas like a beautiful time it was
like you know the it was like wewere more united as like culture
and society and countries andpeople you know and it seems
(37:39):
like since that ended you knowit's good we've got facilitators
don't we?
SPEAKER_01 (37:45):
We've got like you're like you said you're a
facilitator you you you you'resharing and bringing different
genres and different peopletogether in different sides of
this big ocean that we've gotright and I and I think that's
that's it's great becausewithout we we're taking it back
to the old school style of ohhave you heard of these?
Have you heard of them?
Have you heard of those and andword of mouth is is is to me
it's one of the best things todo.
(38:06):
It's like um here's yoursuggestion not on Spotify but in
person.
And if someone suggest your bandin person that means they've got
some heart and emotion into ithaven't they so right I I think
there's there's an element ofwell well if he's listen to them
and he says they're good I'mgonna have to give them a listen
not just because an algorithmhas said that but a person has
said that so there's an elementof like well there's got to be
(38:27):
an element of truth in it.
So exactly if there's an elementof passion and honesty then
there's an element of truthwhich means if this person who I
know likes a lot of bands issaying have a listen then I'm
gonna go have a listen.
I always write stuff down thatpeople are saying it right I'm
gonna go have a look at that andI always will because you you've
got to go find it because ifsomeone's saying well you've
named this band, this band thisband that are good now you've
(38:48):
mentioned them well I don't knowthem but I've known the other
ones then if they're in thatsort of stable and platform then
it's got to be good.
SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
And that that's again where back to like Fuzz
phase Jason Shaw um like Nesbidwith uh little cloud records and
you know I'm hoping some of ourstuff will go to him because
sister nine who were signed tothe they work with little clouds
a little bit I think so sothat'll be good if it if it gets
them they're based in Portlandaren't they?
Yeah yeah I I'm actually friendswith here we go speak of the the
(39:18):
fucking devil you know he shallappear uh I I'm I'm friends with
Mike on on Facebook and on on Xor you know Twitter whatever the
hell it is you know I I I willI'll shoot him a message and say
I just interviewed you know youguys and he should definitely
check you out.
(39:39):
Good you know the that's thevery least I can do and
hopefully the rest falls intoyeah hopefully the music will be
the battering ram that it'llstill be that's what it's about
at the end of the day in itright right and and you know if
I can connect you to someone oryou can connect me to someone
through you know mutual talkingand just getting to know me and
(40:02):
being like well you like thisand I I know these people you
know like like for instance Ijust did a big interview with
the president of Scheckterguitars and his name is Michael
Saravolo and he's been inmultiple bands the band that I
was interviewing him in relationto the interview was called
(40:23):
Beauty and Chaos.
They've had like close to like Ithink 20 or 30 like different
band members on in the course oflike them actually making music
and some of these artistsconsist of like Marilyn Manson
Trent Reznor Tyler Bates Ice TBody County and you know during
(40:49):
our interview he was apparentlylike totally unaware that
there's all these like reallylike rock is not dead you know
it's thriving and livingthriving and living you just got
just living in the undergroundit's there ready to resurrect
and no exactly just gonna knowwhere to look and I essentially
(41:10):
told him not only is rock notdead not only is it alive and
thriving but there's like threelike major like rock movements
going on right now which we justdiscussed and kicking and
screaming.
Exactly and I I told him thatand I gave him a list of some
bands to check out and he at theend of the interview like almost
(41:34):
a I think it was actually overtwo hours which is where we're
headed now.
SPEAKER_01 (41:40):
We're headed now yeah and I'm gonna have to cut
it I'm gonna have to cut it offsoon because it's like quarter
past five here yeah yeah I gotyou and I've got an appointment
yeah okay I got it I'mbelievable.
Okay in that case uh I'll sum itup and just say yeah you know he
was like I I I I put belief backin him and he he's a major you
(42:00):
know like veteran actual rockstar like you know in the States
you know musician so if I can dothat just just by talking to
someone like that and he saidyou know in turn he would put me
in touch with anyone who he'sfriends with which opens doors
to Marilyn Manson nine inchnails iced tea body count you
(42:22):
know exactly but the the pointis like if I can do that to
spread the word and like yousaid word of mouth you know and
have a movement essentially belike you know happen because of
me I would leave this earthbeing happy not saying I want to
have it happen anytime soon it'sall happening though in it it's
all happening just chatting overthe phone with waves going over
(42:46):
the the Atlantic it's happeningalready right it is man we've
already got mutual friends inJohn Paul and little clouds
everything's connectedeverything's symbiotic
everything works together and aslong as we're working together
everything works don't itexactly exactly and on that note
I have two closer questions foryou oh I know you you were you
were just in Japan doing sometouring I wanted to see if you
(43:10):
if you had any your could plugany upcoming projects slash
tours to promote and then thefinal question what three bands
slash guests would you recommendto come on the show?
Ooh wow okay so yeah we've gotlike I think we've got about 30
(43:31):
gigs coming up in the UKstarting with festivals this
weekend at a strummerom recordspunk festival and then we go all
the way through Southern UKtour, loads of psychedelic
festivals then we release ouralbum and then we take that on
about 25 dates around the UK andwe're going to do seven dates in
Japan at the end of the year.
(43:51):
Once that's concluded we'regonna take a break write a bit
of new stuff and then we'regonna kick on into 2026.
So we've got loads going on thisyear in the UK Three bands that
I can give you, and I'm gonnahave to give you three that
you've not heard of, which I'mgonna have to delve in.
I'm gonna have to give Delveinto something that psychedelic
band.
(44:12):
We're bringing them over to playwith us.
They're coming over, but they'regonna do a gig with us, and
we're playing with them inOsaka, and it's a band that's
Japanese from Osaka calledHiboshibra, and they're on riot
season records in the UK.
Same label as African MotherTemple that we played with not
quite recently.
So Hiboshibra will be one, andthat's a Japanese band.
(44:33):
In the UK, I'm gonna give you aband that we just played with
the other day called CherryFull's Club, which is from
Leeds, and they supported us inManchester the other day.
And they're a European band.
I'm gonna try and get away fromFull's Club and give you another
(44:55):
band that you might not haveheard of, which is French, and
I'm gonna say Jesus French.
I'm just trying to think of FullClub.
Let's go within one UK, oneEurope, one Japanese, which is
where we might never have heardof.
But I will throw you a rat atall the band from the UK that if
(45:18):
you're liking that irishresurgence of all the phone with
new words and psychic industrialsound in the UK.
There is a lot of mega scenegoing on here at the moment.
And and it's really good.
You'll also like blood worm fromNottingham, which is a really
good family friendly as well.
SPEAKER_00 (45:36):
Awesome, awesome.
Already I'm like I gotta checkthose.
Please, please, please show me amessage on Facebook or email or
something with a list of otherones uh that you whenever they
come to mind or whatever.
SPEAKER_01 (45:56):
Yeah, there's all different how we made it in
Manchester the battery farm.
Very visceral, very industrial.
SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Awesome, awesome.
I I will I cannot wait to checkout all those ones and whoever
else you would recommend and allthat.
Um very excited.
It was a pleasure having youcome take a swim in the fish
pool.
SPEAKER_01 (46:18):
Thank you very much.
Love that.
SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
I thought the amateur was just right.
SPEAKER_01 (46:22):
That was beautiful, mate.
Love you to do that win.
SPEAKER_00 (46:27):
Right, right.
SPEAKER_01 (46:31):
Alright.
Alright, brother.
SPEAKER_00 (46:36):
Alright, take care.
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