January 31, 2026 • 44 mins
The best horror stories aren’t just on screen—they’re the ones told in the glow of dead‑of‑night lights, long after the credits. We sit down with cast and crew from Dawn of the Dead to relive the midnight Monroeville shoots, the improvised zombie gigs, and the wild on‑set mishaps that became legend. From a neck‑bite effect gone hilariously wrong to a crew member who asked George Romero for a shot and walked away as the machete zombie, these are unscripted, human moments that turned a cult classic into a lifelong bond.
What makes these memories stick is how ordinary they started. One panelist only came because a friend insisted. Another was just an 11‑year‑old who could stay awake while other kid zombies crashed, perfectly embodying Romero’s idea of “residual memory” as he bumped a toy bike down a fluorescent hallway. A teacher brought a Super 8 camera to show students what a set looked like and accidentally created a DVD extra that now anchors the movie’s archive. The mall itself remains a character—still a place some of them shop, still a trigger for recall—with every corridor doubling as a portal back to 3 a.m.
We trace the film’s unlikely afterlife through media history: from three broadcast channels and strict censorship to the arrival of pay TV, Betamax, and VHS that kept the undead alive at home. The panelists talk about walking into their first conventions in Strongsville and beyond, astonished to find passionate fans from Nova Scotia, England, Germany, even Hawaii. Autographs, photos, and t‑shirts came later; the connection came first. Decades on, the reunions feel warmer than high school anniversaries because the memories were forged under pressure, creativity, and the practical magic of Tom Savini’s effects.
If Dawn of the Dead lives on, it’s because people keep telling these stories—small, funny, honest—and inviting new fans into the crowd. Join us, subscribe for more behind‑the‑scenes lore, and share your first Dawn of the Dead memory in a review or with a friend who loves horror history.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
I'm gonna start early the dog and the cook
panel.
We just can't let these guysstand around.
Head on up.
Take your time.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll go less.
Just mics just click on.
(00:22):
Don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
Something else.
(01:21):
I like it.
SPEAKER_04 (01:32):
I think we can eat well.
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
I was checking the mics.
All good?
SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
Yes, probably please.
SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
All right, you guys ready to get this going?
I'd take that as a yes.
Please welcome our first panelof the day, the Don of the Dead
panel and lies Walt Crabo, RalphLanger, and Christian Dryden.
Welcome back.
It's been a minute.
SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
It's been a minute, yeah.
It's a one minute every year.
So Christian.
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
Good.
Hey Christian, I love your show.
Where did you get it?
What's those?
Who makes those?
SPEAKER_03 (02:27):
I have them printed in Texas by a printer friend.
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (02:31):
Did you didn't do did you have a hand in the
graphics at all?
Or just I had it done severalyears ago.
I really liked the design and Istuck with it.
Jim Clark and I have the samedesign.
They're they're available here,aren't they?
You can get them here.
What's that?
Can you buy one of those here?
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Well, yeah, we can buy one rightat my table if you want.
Not a hard sell.
Not a hard sell.
Well, let's talk about thismovie here.
SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
Yeah, people don't want to hear about my t-shirt.
It's the elephant in the room.
I wondered if the jumps were notin it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
By the way, speaking of a t-shirts check is it has a
weird story.
SPEAKER_03 (03:13):
What's the story on the shirt then?
SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
Well, last year I was sitting across from their
booth.
SPEAKER_00 (03:21):
Garth.
SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
Garth.
They were selling t-shirts,different things.
And I noticed that this was onethey're made at the bottom.
And I mentioned he would make anice t-shirt.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
Don't hurt her.
Just keep rocking.
Ed's on it.
Boom, you'll be fine.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
And I I mentioned that I thought it would make a
really nice closer.
Nice and pumpkin.
Alright.
So I mean they're taking apicture of it, heavily printed,
and I think now they're gonnastart making the decoration.
So hopefully sometimes you knowthis will be available.
(03:58):
So that's the only one of thatshirt for now.
SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
And it's from the Garf, the Garf booth.
Oh Garf, great.
It was just on the sign.
SPEAKER_03 (04:11):
Do you know who designed that?
It was just something you saw onthe VM.
I guess I took a picture ofthat.
Nice.
All right, let's talk about theenough shuress.
Let's let's let's get into themovie.
Real quick, um, have you guysever watched the film recently?
Do you bring people to the mallto show off where you've where
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you've been?
I mean, do you come to the mallother than just when you do
this?
SPEAKER_04 (04:36):
Are you are is it on?
SPEAKER_03 (04:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:38):
Okay, okay.
Are you saying that we do wecome to the mall ourselves?
Do you bring friends with youand say, hey, this is I mean, do
you have to work?
I I actually shop heresometimes.
And uh and I I think about, youknow, I can't not walk into this
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place and not think about themovie, right?
Because that's a part of anindelible part of your life.
And you know, and I have fourgrown sons and they've all come
to the mall with dad, eithercollectively or separately.
And uh I always get to, youknow, you always talk about
that.
But it was sort of like reallyfresh earlier.
(05:23):
I could say, oh, this is wheredad got killed.
Now that place is gone.
Oh, the mall is completelytransformed.
But I still like the idea ofthis being like a living set.
And so, like everybody knowsabout this film, even the people
that don't like horror films,they like this film, you know,
Dawn of the Dead, they know whoGeorge is.
(05:44):
And even even if they don't careabout horror at all, they always
kind of go, Oh, you were in thatfilm.
And so it never gets old aboutthat.
It never gets old.
How about you?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
It's it's weird because none of my friends
personally are horror fans.
And they have never seen thefilm.
And some of them live like tothree miles away from this mall,
and they never come shoppinghere.
And it's like, whenever I talkabout it, it's like, well, here
we go again.
And it's like, so I guess thatrounds me, you know, because I
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it's but look at me, I was inthis movie, you know, because
they don't care.
So in a way, that's kind of it'skind of nice, but every so often
it's real nice to come here.
And then because I I care moreabout the people that like the
George Ramiro movies than mebeing in it.
I was just at the right place atthe right time, and I lucked
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out.
As a matter of fact, if we wentback in time, Walt is a good
friend of mine, and I told himthey were gonna film at the
mall.
We were at a party, and he said,Oh, let's go.
And I said, Oh, I don't want togo tonight.
Well, I went to work thismorning, I'm tired.
And he talked me into it, so Iwouldn't be here right now if it
wasn't for him.
So we got about four or fivefriends together, and we came
(07:06):
over, and we just spent thewhole all night being zombies
and having fun.
And and um I had Miss GreatCamera with me, so I was able to
film because I taught filmmakingclasses.
And the whole reason I was ableto film is because Christine
Forrest is an ex-student of thehigh school I teach in.
And um, she was so thrilled thather ex-high school had a film
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program and she introduced me toGeorge, and from that point on,
he allowed me to bring all mystudents to every movie he made
in Pittsburgh as a field print.
So it's all being at the rightplace at the right time.
But if we could go back throughtime, I could take any one of
you with me, like Waltzai did,and you would be zombies that
night.
They'd give me a dollar, they'dsign me up, they'd walk you
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around, they'd say, okay, here'sa bone nibble on it.
And it wasn't hard to do.
I mean, anybody could have doneit if you happened to be there.
And uh the one night that wewere there, there was a
snowstorm, and I'll never forgetbecause it was dawn, and I went
to my car and I had a flat tire,and I had to change the tire
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with another friend of mine,with and I didn't have lungs,
and I'll never forget howhorrendous that felt.
So, anyway, I get a kick out ofthis because it George Romero
did a lot for me, and I like topay it forward to try to further
his memory.
I get a kick out of this.
SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
Well, I didn't I live about an hour from here,
I'm south of Pittsburgh, so I'vereally never come here.
As for the way people that Iknow think about this, I have to
pretty much concur with Ralph.
People look at me like they havetwo heads when I talk about
doing this.
(08:54):
My family doesn't have a clue.
But I really enjoy it.
The people that come to this arejust amazed.
The first time I did this, Icouldn't believe that somebody
would come and be interested inhaving my picture and my
(09:15):
autograph.
We're going to just rock it.
The very first girl that came upto me, got the autograph, or the
picture with me.
And I had to ask her where she'sfrom.
She said, Nova Scotia.
And I couldn't believe it.
There were people that came thatyear from England, from Germany.
(09:39):
I think one of the last peopleI've talked to has told him
about this on Sunday.
And I said, by the way, whereare you from?
He said, Hawaii.
It's like people just come fromeverywhere because they love it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:53):
And they're really wonderful people, all of you
from What was that first yearyou did this where you start
doing the autographs in NovaScotia?
What year was that when you didthe first one?
SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
That was actually last year.
Oh, that was just last year.
I was just gonna say, wasn'tthat long ago?
Yeah.
I hadn't known about this.
And uh when I worked, I workedout of town a lot, so I was
never hearing it.
And Ralph was the one that toldme about it and got me started.
And I was really amazed.
I mean, I I knew that I was init.
(10:27):
People that I knew that knewthat I was in it didn't care.
You know, because they had neverseen the movie.
But to find so many people thatare really authentic fans, it's
great.
Really great group of people.
SPEAKER_00 (10:44):
But by the way, well, in case you didn't see him
in the movie, he's the one whobites Marty Schiff's neck and
bites a big chunk on.
But he accidentally bit the thethe um tubing.
So the first time he did itlooked like he was a bird
pulling a worm out of his neck.
SPEAKER_02 (11:04):
Well, actually, the first time I did it, uh, I bit
Marty.
I went too deep.
And rather than cut and redo it.
Then the second time the tubecame on.
It was uh got to be a longprocess for one little shot.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Well, we'll get you on.
You got it?
Okay.
So I I basically, I mean, I'vecome out to to go to the Living
Dead weekend, Leave the DeadMuseum with friends and stuff.
And I just usually come out forthis convention to say, you
know, hi and stuff.
I think this is my fourth timedoing it.
Um basically at the Steel Citycar, and I told him that I was
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in Golden Devons talking aboutit, and he he basically said,
you know, if you guys want tocome out and do a convention.
I'm like, if you guys want me,I'll be here.
And uh basically functions.
Uh fun, fun people, because likeI said, everyone the fans are
like the best, so like like buta friendly people, and I always
(12:12):
tell my friends this kind ofthing, come out for the
shopping, if nothing else.
Because like there's there'snicknames and there's t-shirts
everywhere.
But I always come out andbasically I end up shopping
myself.
My my thing is like I'm I'm herebecause my parents are friends
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of friends of Tom's baby.
So when they did the film, Tomtold all his friends, hey, if
you're free this weekend, comeout and do a horror film with
me.
And so we came out.
I was 11.
And so we we came out andbasically uh I'm I'm a night
person, always have been.
So when we came out, by the timethey got up, get the great hate
(12:55):
on, pulled out all the Christmasdecorations, they were shooting
like really, really late.
So all like the little kidzombies besides myself pass out.
So I basically walked aroundwatching people getting torn
apart, shot at for hours.
I was I would walk from likemidnight until 5 a.m.
all by myself.
My parents and I laughed aboutthis by talking about the whole
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like you gotta protect yourchild.
Once I got here, I walked aroundand watched Carnage for five
hours.
And that's why I got my sceneand like halfway through,
because uh George Row had anidea that the zombies have
residual memories.
And so he wanted an image oflike the zombies walking around
not attacking the people.
So the male zombies were goingafter money and guns, while the
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female zombies were afterperfume and frogs, and he wanted
to have some kid zombies playingthe toy store, and they're all
asleep.
I basically was walking aroundand he saw me, and he's like, Oh
my god, you're awake! I'm like,Yes, I am.
So he grabbed me, he took me toJason Penny's at the very end of
Jason Penny's, there's a toystore.
So the very end, he's likegoing, okay, you want to bite,
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but you're a zombie and you'restupid.
And I'm like going, I can do.
And so I walked down this longhall and I just keep bumping
into this standing bite.
And that's why I didn't line thescene because I'm literally out
of 30 kids in camp at night, I'mthe only one who stays awake.
SPEAKER_03 (14:19):
Do you remember how many times you did that scene
with the bicycle?
How many times it was just thefirst time you did it?
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I just did the one time because I I'm like a group
of adult zombies walking downwith Jen C.
Bennings.
And I I basically I somehow getahead of them line, I get to
like the tour department, thething.
And as I tell him, like, if ifyou watch the scene I'm in,
because we weren't liking thesound kind of thing.
So as I'm walking down, GeorgeRivera is right behind me
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through the cameras.
He told us all what he wanted usto do.
And they're like, okay, so I hetold me exactly what he wanted
me to do.
So as we're walking down in JCBenny's in the entrance, out of
shot, there's some line of thisover here.
And he's like, re you know,directing anyone.
So he's sitting there reallyquiet, going, You're zombies.
(15:08):
You're looking for human flesh.
Keep walking.
Keep fucking.
He keeps doing that, he's rightover here, but as I'm walking
past, for some reason he yellsat it.
He goes, Don't look at me, likereally loud.
And if you're watching my sceneas I'm walking, I actually jerk
to my left and it scares thetrap out of me.
So I basically jerk to my left,and since I'm not mic, I look at
him, I go, idiot.
(15:29):
And then I just keep walkingdown.
But everyone watches the filmwho knows that says, Yeah, I saw
you jump out of my way.
I was like, Yeah, that guyyelled at me.
SPEAKER_03 (15:39):
So, one question I've never asked any zombie
before, it just came to me.
You keep saying you were paid adollar a day.
Did you guys spend the dollarsor did you just kind of keep
them as souvenirs?
It was just a dollar.
I didn't get paid.
SPEAKER_04 (15:54):
What's that?
I didn't get paid anything.
SPEAKER_03 (15:55):
Not even a dollar.
SPEAKER_04 (15:56):
No, because I was on a crew.
I was already getting paid.
And for those who haven't heardthe story, because there's a few
new faces.
I was working on the crew and itwas late one night, and we're
waiting for the actress to comeon the set.
And uh, you know, the lights areset, camera's set, and George is
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standing next to me, and there'ssomething in my head that says,
you gotta ask him about playinga zombie in the film.
So I just turned to him andsaid, Hey George, you know, I
want to play a zombie.
So he said, and we weredownstairs here.
He says, Well, go upstairs, seewhat they have.
So I literally ran upstairs intothe community room, this big
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room where we used to congregateeach night to get a plan set up
for the whatever we're gonnashoot.
So, long story short, there's anactor in the name John Amplis.
And John was actually supposedto do it the next night.
I said, Hey John, what do youhave?
So John pulls a snachete out ofthe darkness into this light,
because there was like onelittle light on.
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And he says, Here.
I'm like, oh, what's this?
Oh, we're supposed to do ittomorrow.
I said, Well, I could dosomething else.
He said, No, no.
I'm burned out.
I've done like all these parts,which he had.
So I'm like, okay, I love it.
So 24 hours later, I'm I'm allzombie made up.
Tom's meeting, I cannot what hewas gonna do with me.
(17:26):
So I'm zombie through the mall,and I wore glasses.
I didn't have my glasses on, soeverything was really blurry.
And uh I walk up, I knock Tomoff his motorcycle, and
everything goes according toplan.
He's gonna get up, then he kicksme in the chest, knocks me on
the floor, and I start to getback up.
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I grab him by the leg, he pullsthe machete out of his booth,
and he says, Say goodbye, Kreeb.
And wow, I'm dead.
And I just hope, like, oh, Ihope I make it into the final
cut.
Because I was really intomonsters and I love the craft,
and I was just like having amoment, right?
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And um then we were done, andthen I didn't have time to
really take the makeup off.
I had to go right back to work.
So I'm working all night withone all over me, over my face,
and um, I lived at home at thetime, and I went home and uh
went into my mom's room and wasasleep, and I gave her a kiss on
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the cheek because hey mom, I'mhome.
And she just looks up and shegoes, and she closes her eyes
and goes back to her.
And I didn't like I hadn'tthought about that I'm just
still having a lot of livermen,and I just thought it was kind
of funny.
And then over time, of course, Irealized that it makes the final
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cut and it becomes iconic.
But it wasn't until I mean I sawit on in books, on book covers,
DVDs, all these things.
And but it wasn't until 2000that I even knew there was such
a thing as a horror conventionor even a pop culture show.
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I got invited to a show inCleveland, and after working one
day, working, signing all theone picture that the promoter
had given me, which wasn't verygood, and everybody bringing
their everything from games torecord albums, to you name it.
And I was like, wow, and I wascharging five dollars an
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autograph.
I didn't know what I was doing,but it was cool.
I went home with a mortgagepayment.
So I called my wife and said,Wow, this was great.
I got a mortgage payment, and Istill had a day or two to go.
And I did really well.
Jim Crump was sitting next tome.
We didn't even know each other.
Helicopter zombie.
And I look at Jim, and Jim looksat me, and we go, we go, we
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gotta figure this out.
So we both started puttingtogether some merchandise for
shows.
And I mean, like, you know, itsounds like I became an
opportunist, but like, you know,I had a family, so yeah.
But also, I didn't understandhow popular Daughter the Dead
was.
It was like Mecca to all thesepeople who were so passionate
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about it and loved it so much.
And I realized for the firsttime ever how special it was to
be a part of this film in theGeorgia Mira family.
And then I started doingconventions where other people
were Georgians, and it was itwas great to be able to sort of
reminisce and and talk aboutwhat we did.
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And then and then here we are,you know, 46 years later, I
think.
We're getting into 46.
And I I can't believe I've beenlong, you know, old enough.
Like I don't even it doesn'tfeel like I've been alive long
enough to have done something 46years ago, but I have.
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And like all the people in theroom with me, and I look at them
and I go, we were all there atthe same time.
But we a lot of us got to knoweach other at the show because a
lot of the zombies were likethere for one night and gone.
Or, you know, like Ralph, we wasthere filming.
We didn't know who Ralph was,and so we got here.
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Or you know, or Crystal, or youknow, a lot of these other
people.
Now we become acquainted andfriends, and you know, like it's
a very it's like a reunion, youknow.
Like I went to my 50th highschool reunion last year, and as
much fun as I had, this isbetter.
Because the memories are just sodifferent, and it has to do with
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something creative, and it hasto do with all the new people we
get to meet and all the friendswe've made.
SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
So it's become like this lifelong integral part of
who I am, oddly enough.
I gotta ask you real quick.
The convention you did inCleveland, was that Fright
Vision?
Was that the convention that youdid in Cleveland?
Was that called Fright Vision?
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
No, uh that was um uh uh what was that called?
What was it called?
Uh not chill.
I can't think of the name of itright now.
I'm sorry.
I'll think of it.
Ask somebody a question, I'llI'll I'll think of it because it
was in Strogsville, really.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
And it was the first show ever.
And when somebody called me toask me to come to the show, I
thought, come to the show andsign stuff.
This this must be like some kindof like, I don't know, like a
like a fake thing where they'retrying to find a way to easel
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money out of me or bring mesomewhere where I'm gonna get
kidnapped.
Or I didn't know what it was.
It just didn't make any sense tome.
So I get to Strongville, nophotos or anything, and there's
like all these people at thedoor.
And this Hispanic guy comes upto me and says, Lenny Lease,
machete zombie.
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And I'm oh, are you talking tome?
And this guy knew who I wasbefore I knew what it was that
was going on.
And he was the first person thatever decided who I was from the
film.
And I saw all these people and Irealized they were there for the
show.
SPEAKER_03 (23:40):
And it was just it was exciting.
Because I was just gonna say,that was the first horror
convention I ever hosted, it wasin Strongsville, and it was
called Freight Vision, and itwas in the 90s.
But well, this one wasn't thiswasn't Freight Vision.
SPEAKER_04 (23:55):
Just curious.
I'm trying to figure out whatthe heck it was.
Sort of a wasteland?
Sort of a wasteland.
Okay, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, sort of a wasteland.
Good answer.
And it was, and then that justopened up to floodgates, you
know, because all of a suddenwe're doing four and five shows
a year in all these differentvenues.
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And it never ceases to amaze methat they're still going on,
these shows.
You know, we did a show in theUK, a bunch of us back in
November.
And it's just astonishing thepeople and the things they
collect.
You know, like I probably wouldhave gone to two shows by now if
I hadn't been involvedpersonally.
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Because, you know, I'm I'mcurious too.
I went to Evan City for a show,just to be a fan, you know,
along with some friends.
And it's it's different being onthe other side.
Yeah.
You know, because you're like,you're there, you're uh a
collector, or you love the film.
(25:02):
It just astonishes me thatpeople love it so much.
I mean, I probably become thealien shows.
You know, I mean, I'll becauseyou know, I'm praying this,
because I think Donald Dead islike like one of the best horror
films ever made.
But then, you know, I can't beobjective about it.
I can't be objective about it,but I still think it is.
SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
So the rest of you three got paid a dollar.
What did you remember what youdid with the dollar?
Was it a memento?
Is it something you just boughta coat with?
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Uh well, truthfully, I was shocked I bought it.
I mean, I you know, they saidthey needed something at the
mall, so I summed it up.
And um, I had to sum my name.
I figured that's okay.
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Tom Savini wasn't even famousyet.
Nobody knew who he was, and hewas just this black mustache.
You know, like some rubber just,you know, the things together
that movie was because he hadnever made a movie at his
beliefs that we were aware of.
(26:20):
And one other thing I findinteresting is you have to look
at the time period.
Oh, your mic's not.
You think your mic enough?
SPEAKER_03 (26:29):
Is there is there a switch on your mic?
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
Where is the there's no switch on it?
SPEAKER_03 (26:35):
Is there another switch on it?
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Well?
SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
Listen.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Okay.
Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_03 (26:52):
Wait, I'm thinking mute each other.
He's gonna get back on the wordand make it happen.
Hold that pot.
All right.
You should be good to go.
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_03 (27:05):
You're good.
We're going to.
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Okay, so I talked all that for nothing.
Sorry about that for wastingyour time.
But I I just wanted to add, youhave to think of the time
period.
We had three TV stations.
That was it.
There was no cable TV when themovie was made.
There was no VHS.
So when we made the movie, wedidn't think it was going to go
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anywhere.
I mean, I saw the effects thatit were doing for this, and I
never saw anything like thatbefore in my life.
And I knew this is never goingto play on one of the three
networks because of thecensorship.
This is going to play thedrive-ins for a week, and we'll
never see it again.
I mean, that's the way I lookedat this going into it.
I had no clue there would belongevity, but then all of a
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sudden, a Hollywood home boxoffice started up, and they
would have two movies a monththat you could rent, and they
called them pay TV back then.
And then all of a sudden Betamaxcame up, and then all of a
sudden they started sellingtapes.
And that was one of the firsttapes being sold.
So we I think that Dona Did wasmade at just the right time that
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I think that made it what it istoday.
And if it wasn't for that, youwouldn't never have seen it
again because there was no wayto show it on TV.
SPEAKER_03 (28:28):
Did you buy the video tape when it first came
out?
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Oh yeah.
I bought the tape before I had aVHS player.
SPEAKER_03 (28:37):
Now, when you first do you show it to friends and
friendly or the uh family offriends, or did you just kind of
enjoy it on your own?
SPEAKER_00 (28:45):
Nobody I know is interested in seeing it.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
So you just kind of sat down and enjoyed your work.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
Well, I I watched it, you know, to bring back
memories, you know, and then I'dsay it on the shelf.
So, and by the way, I I did aSuper 8 home movie, but again,
there was no such thing as a DVDextra.
I made it for my students.
I taught filmmaking and I wantedthem to know what it's like
seeing a movie being made.
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So I made that Super 8 movie formy students, and then after a
while I laid on the shelf foryears and years and years, and
my brother called me saying thatAnchor Bay was going to make a
DVD, and they were interested inputting the DVD onto the onto
the special features.
So I sent him the DV the theSuper 8 movie in the mail, and
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that's how it got on.
SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
So you kept that on Super 8, or did you transfer it
to the Super 8?
I'm gonna start early the dog and the cook
panel.
We just can't let these guysstand around.
Head on up.
Take your time.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll go less.
Just mics just click on.
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Don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_01 (00:55):
Something else.
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I like it.
SPEAKER_04 (01:32):
I think we can eat well.
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
I was checking the mics.
All good?
SPEAKER_00 (01:43):
Yes, probably please.
SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
All right, you guys ready to get this going?
I'd take that as a yes.
Please welcome our first panelof the day, the Don of the Dead
panel and lies Walt Crabo, RalphLanger, and Christian Dryden.
Welcome back.
It's been a minute.
SPEAKER_04 (02:08):
It's been a minute, yeah.
It's a one minute every year.
So Christian.
SPEAKER_01 (02:16):
I don't know.
SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
Good.
Hey Christian, I love your show.
Where did you get it?
What's those?
Who makes those?
SPEAKER_03 (02:27):
I have them printed in Texas by a printer friend.
Wow.
SPEAKER_04 (02:31):
Did you didn't do did you have a hand in the
graphics at all?
Or just I had it done severalyears ago.
I really liked the design and Istuck with it.
Jim Clark and I have the samedesign.
They're they're available here,aren't they?
You can get them here.
What's that?
Can you buy one of those here?
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Well, yeah, we can buy one rightat my table if you want.
Not a hard sell.
Not a hard sell.
Well, let's talk about thismovie here.
SPEAKER_03 (03:01):
Yeah, people don't want to hear about my t-shirt.
It's the elephant in the room.
I wondered if the jumps were notin it.
SPEAKER_00 (03:07):
By the way, speaking of a t-shirts check is it has a
weird story.
SPEAKER_03 (03:13):
What's the story on the shirt then?
SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
Well, last year I was sitting across from their
booth.
SPEAKER_00 (03:21):
Garth.
SPEAKER_02 (03:21):
Garth.
They were selling t-shirts,different things.
And I noticed that this was onethey're made at the bottom.
And I mentioned he would make anice t-shirt.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
Don't hurt her.
Just keep rocking.
Ed's on it.
Boom, you'll be fine.
SPEAKER_02 (03:37):
And I I mentioned that I thought it would make a
really nice closer.
Nice and pumpkin.
Alright.
So I mean they're taking apicture of it, heavily printed,
and I think now they're gonnastart making the decoration.
So hopefully sometimes you knowthis will be available.
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So that's the only one of thatshirt for now.
SPEAKER_00 (04:05):
And it's from the Garf, the Garf booth.
Oh Garf, great.
It was just on the sign.
SPEAKER_03 (04:11):
Do you know who designed that?
It was just something you saw onthe VM.
I guess I took a picture ofthat.
Nice.
All right, let's talk about theenough shuress.
Let's let's let's get into themovie.
Real quick, um, have you guysever watched the film recently?
Do you bring people to the mallto show off where you've where
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you've been?
I mean, do you come to the mallother than just when you do
this?
SPEAKER_04 (04:36):
Are you are is it on?
SPEAKER_03 (04:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (04:38):
Okay, okay.
Are you saying that we do wecome to the mall ourselves?
Do you bring friends with youand say, hey, this is I mean, do
you have to work?
I I actually shop heresometimes.
And uh and I I think about, youknow, I can't not walk into this
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place and not think about themovie, right?
Because that's a part of anindelible part of your life.
And you know, and I have fourgrown sons and they've all come
to the mall with dad, eithercollectively or separately.
And uh I always get to, youknow, you always talk about
that.
But it was sort of like reallyfresh earlier.
(05:23):
I could say, oh, this is wheredad got killed.
Now that place is gone.
Oh, the mall is completelytransformed.
But I still like the idea ofthis being like a living set.
And so, like everybody knowsabout this film, even the people
that don't like horror films,they like this film, you know,
Dawn of the Dead, they know whoGeorge is.
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And even even if they don't careabout horror at all, they always
kind of go, Oh, you were in thatfilm.
And so it never gets old aboutthat.
It never gets old.
How about you?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (05:57):
It's it's weird because none of my friends
personally are horror fans.
And they have never seen thefilm.
And some of them live like tothree miles away from this mall,
and they never come shoppinghere.
And it's like, whenever I talkabout it, it's like, well, here
we go again.
And it's like, so I guess thatrounds me, you know, because I
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it's but look at me, I was inthis movie, you know, because
they don't care.
So in a way, that's kind of it'skind of nice, but every so often
it's real nice to come here.
And then because I I care moreabout the people that like the
George Ramiro movies than mebeing in it.
I was just at the right place atthe right time, and I lucked
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out.
As a matter of fact, if we wentback in time, Walt is a good
friend of mine, and I told himthey were gonna film at the
mall.
We were at a party, and he said,Oh, let's go.
And I said, Oh, I don't want togo tonight.
Well, I went to work thismorning, I'm tired.
And he talked me into it, so Iwouldn't be here right now if it
wasn't for him.
So we got about four or fivefriends together, and we came
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over, and we just spent thewhole all night being zombies
and having fun.
And and um I had Miss GreatCamera with me, so I was able to
film because I taught filmmakingclasses.
And the whole reason I was ableto film is because Christine
Forrest is an ex-student of thehigh school I teach in.
And um, she was so thrilled thather ex-high school had a film
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program and she introduced me toGeorge, and from that point on,
he allowed me to bring all mystudents to every movie he made
in Pittsburgh as a field print.
So it's all being at the rightplace at the right time.
But if we could go back throughtime, I could take any one of
you with me, like Waltzai did,and you would be zombies that
night.
They'd give me a dollar, they'dsign me up, they'd walk you
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around, they'd say, okay, here'sa bone nibble on it.
And it wasn't hard to do.
I mean, anybody could have doneit if you happened to be there.
And uh the one night that wewere there, there was a
snowstorm, and I'll never forgetbecause it was dawn, and I went
to my car and I had a flat tire,and I had to change the tire
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with another friend of mine,with and I didn't have lungs,
and I'll never forget howhorrendous that felt.
So, anyway, I get a kick out ofthis because it George Romero
did a lot for me, and I like topay it forward to try to further
his memory.
I get a kick out of this.
SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
Well, I didn't I live about an hour from here,
I'm south of Pittsburgh, so I'vereally never come here.
As for the way people that Iknow think about this, I have to
pretty much concur with Ralph.
People look at me like they havetwo heads when I talk about
doing this.
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My family doesn't have a clue.
But I really enjoy it.
The people that come to this arejust amazed.
The first time I did this, Icouldn't believe that somebody
would come and be interested inhaving my picture and my
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autograph.
We're going to just rock it.
The very first girl that came upto me, got the autograph, or the
picture with me.
And I had to ask her where she'sfrom.
She said, Nova Scotia.
And I couldn't believe it.
There were people that came thatyear from England, from Germany.
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I think one of the last peopleI've talked to has told him
about this on Sunday.
And I said, by the way, whereare you from?
He said, Hawaii.
It's like people just come fromeverywhere because they love it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:53):
And they're really wonderful people, all of you
from What was that first yearyou did this where you start
doing the autographs in NovaScotia?
What year was that when you didthe first one?
SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
That was actually last year.
Oh, that was just last year.
I was just gonna say, wasn'tthat long ago?
Yeah.
I hadn't known about this.
And uh when I worked, I workedout of town a lot, so I was
never hearing it.
And Ralph was the one that toldme about it and got me started.
And I was really amazed.
I mean, I I knew that I was init.
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People that I knew that knewthat I was in it didn't care.
You know, because they had neverseen the movie.
But to find so many people thatare really authentic fans, it's
great.
Really great group of people.
SPEAKER_00 (10:44):
But by the way, well, in case you didn't see him
in the movie, he's the one whobites Marty Schiff's neck and
bites a big chunk on.
But he accidentally bit the thethe um tubing.
So the first time he did itlooked like he was a bird
pulling a worm out of his neck.
SPEAKER_02 (11:04):
Well, actually, the first time I did it, uh, I bit
Marty.
I went too deep.
And rather than cut and redo it.
Then the second time the tubecame on.
It was uh got to be a longprocess for one little shot.
SPEAKER_01 (11:28):
Well, we'll get you on.
You got it?
Okay.
So I I basically, I mean, I'vecome out to to go to the Living
Dead weekend, Leave the DeadMuseum with friends and stuff.
And I just usually come out forthis convention to say, you
know, hi and stuff.
I think this is my fourth timedoing it.
Um basically at the Steel Citycar, and I told him that I was
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in Golden Devons talking aboutit, and he he basically said,
you know, if you guys want tocome out and do a convention.
I'm like, if you guys want me,I'll be here.
And uh basically functions.
Uh fun, fun people, because likeI said, everyone the fans are
like the best, so like like buta friendly people, and I always
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tell my friends this kind ofthing, come out for the
shopping, if nothing else.
Because like there's there'snicknames and there's t-shirts
everywhere.
But I always come out andbasically I end up shopping
myself.
My my thing is like I'm I'm herebecause my parents are friends
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of friends of Tom's baby.
So when they did the film, Tomtold all his friends, hey, if
you're free this weekend, comeout and do a horror film with
me.
And so we came out.
I was 11.
And so we we came out andbasically uh I'm I'm a night
person, always have been.
So when we came out, by the timethey got up, get the great hate
(12:55):
on, pulled out all the Christmasdecorations, they were shooting
like really, really late.
So all like the little kidzombies besides myself pass out.
So I basically walked aroundwatching people getting torn
apart, shot at for hours.
I was I would walk from likemidnight until 5 a.m.
all by myself.
My parents and I laughed aboutthis by talking about the whole
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like you gotta protect yourchild.
Once I got here, I walked aroundand watched Carnage for five
hours.
And that's why I got my sceneand like halfway through,
because uh George Row had anidea that the zombies have
residual memories.
And so he wanted an image oflike the zombies walking around
not attacking the people.
So the male zombies were goingafter money and guns, while the
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female zombies were afterperfume and frogs, and he wanted
to have some kid zombies playingthe toy store, and they're all
asleep.
I basically was walking aroundand he saw me, and he's like, Oh
my god, you're awake! I'm like,Yes, I am.
So he grabbed me, he took me toJason Penny's at the very end of
Jason Penny's, there's a toystore.
So the very end, he's likegoing, okay, you want to bite,
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but you're a zombie and you'restupid.
And I'm like going, I can do.
And so I walked down this longhall and I just keep bumping
into this standing bite.
And that's why I didn't line thescene because I'm literally out
of 30 kids in camp at night, I'mthe only one who stays awake.
SPEAKER_03 (14:19):
Do you remember how many times you did that scene
with the bicycle?
How many times it was just thefirst time you did it?
SPEAKER_01 (14:26):
I just did the one time because I I'm like a group
of adult zombies walking downwith Jen C.
Bennings.
And I I basically I somehow getahead of them line, I get to
like the tour department, thething.
And as I tell him, like, if ifyou watch the scene I'm in,
because we weren't liking thesound kind of thing.
So as I'm walking down, GeorgeRivera is right behind me
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through the cameras.
He told us all what he wanted usto do.
And they're like, okay, so I hetold me exactly what he wanted
me to do.
So as we're walking down in JCBenny's in the entrance, out of
shot, there's some line of thisover here.
And he's like, re you know,directing anyone.
So he's sitting there reallyquiet, going, You're zombies.
(15:08):
You're looking for human flesh.
Keep walking.
Keep fucking.
He keeps doing that, he's rightover here, but as I'm walking
past, for some reason he yellsat it.
He goes, Don't look at me, likereally loud.
And if you're watching my sceneas I'm walking, I actually jerk
to my left and it scares thetrap out of me.
So I basically jerk to my left,and since I'm not mic, I look at
him, I go, idiot.
(15:29):
And then I just keep walkingdown.
But everyone watches the filmwho knows that says, Yeah, I saw
you jump out of my way.
I was like, Yeah, that guyyelled at me.
SPEAKER_03 (15:39):
So, one question I've never asked any zombie
before, it just came to me.
You keep saying you were paid adollar a day.
Did you guys spend the dollarsor did you just kind of keep
them as souvenirs?
It was just a dollar.
I didn't get paid.
SPEAKER_04 (15:54):
What's that?
I didn't get paid anything.
SPEAKER_03 (15:55):
Not even a dollar.
SPEAKER_04 (15:56):
No, because I was on a crew.
I was already getting paid.
And for those who haven't heardthe story, because there's a few
new faces.
I was working on the crew and itwas late one night, and we're
waiting for the actress to comeon the set.
And uh, you know, the lights areset, camera's set, and George is
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standing next to me, and there'ssomething in my head that says,
you gotta ask him about playinga zombie in the film.
So I just turned to him andsaid, Hey George, you know, I
want to play a zombie.
So he said, and we weredownstairs here.
He says, Well, go upstairs, seewhat they have.
So I literally ran upstairs intothe community room, this big
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room where we used to congregateeach night to get a plan set up
for the whatever we're gonnashoot.
So, long story short, there's anactor in the name John Amplis.
And John was actually supposedto do it the next night.
I said, Hey John, what do youhave?
So John pulls a snachete out ofthe darkness into this light,
because there was like onelittle light on.
(17:04):
And he says, Here.
I'm like, oh, what's this?
Oh, we're supposed to do ittomorrow.
I said, Well, I could dosomething else.
He said, No, no.
I'm burned out.
I've done like all these parts,which he had.
So I'm like, okay, I love it.
So 24 hours later, I'm I'm allzombie made up.
Tom's meeting, I cannot what hewas gonna do with me.
(17:26):
So I'm zombie through the mall,and I wore glasses.
I didn't have my glasses on, soeverything was really blurry.
And uh I walk up, I knock Tomoff his motorcycle, and
everything goes according toplan.
He's gonna get up, then he kicksme in the chest, knocks me on
the floor, and I start to getback up.
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I grab him by the leg, he pullsthe machete out of his booth,
and he says, Say goodbye, Kreeb.
And wow, I'm dead.
And I just hope, like, oh, Ihope I make it into the final
cut.
Because I was really intomonsters and I love the craft,
and I was just like having amoment, right?
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And um then we were done, andthen I didn't have time to
really take the makeup off.
I had to go right back to work.
So I'm working all night withone all over me, over my face,
and um, I lived at home at thetime, and I went home and uh
went into my mom's room and wasasleep, and I gave her a kiss on
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the cheek because hey mom, I'mhome.
And she just looks up and shegoes, and she closes her eyes
and goes back to her.
And I didn't like I hadn'tthought about that I'm just
still having a lot of livermen,and I just thought it was kind
of funny.
And then over time, of course, Irealized that it makes the final
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cut and it becomes iconic.
But it wasn't until I mean I sawit on in books, on book covers,
DVDs, all these things.
And but it wasn't until 2000that I even knew there was such
a thing as a horror conventionor even a pop culture show.
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I got invited to a show inCleveland, and after working one
day, working, signing all theone picture that the promoter
had given me, which wasn't verygood, and everybody bringing
their everything from games torecord albums, to you name it.
And I was like, wow, and I wascharging five dollars an
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autograph.
I didn't know what I was doing,but it was cool.
I went home with a mortgagepayment.
So I called my wife and said,Wow, this was great.
I got a mortgage payment, and Istill had a day or two to go.
And I did really well.
Jim Crump was sitting next tome.
We didn't even know each other.
Helicopter zombie.
And I look at Jim, and Jim looksat me, and we go, we go, we
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gotta figure this out.
So we both started puttingtogether some merchandise for
shows.
And I mean, like, you know, itsounds like I became an
opportunist, but like, you know,I had a family, so yeah.
But also, I didn't understandhow popular Daughter the Dead
was.
It was like Mecca to all thesepeople who were so passionate
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about it and loved it so much.
And I realized for the firsttime ever how special it was to
be a part of this film in theGeorgia Mira family.
And then I started doingconventions where other people
were Georgians, and it was itwas great to be able to sort of
reminisce and and talk aboutwhat we did.
(20:45):
And then and then here we are,you know, 46 years later, I
think.
We're getting into 46.
And I I can't believe I've beenlong, you know, old enough.
Like I don't even it doesn'tfeel like I've been alive long
enough to have done something 46years ago, but I have.
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And like all the people in theroom with me, and I look at them
and I go, we were all there atthe same time.
But we a lot of us got to knoweach other at the show because a
lot of the zombies were likethere for one night and gone.
Or, you know, like Ralph, we wasthere filming.
We didn't know who Ralph was,and so we got here.
(21:27):
Or you know, or Crystal, or youknow, a lot of these other
people.
Now we become acquainted andfriends, and you know, like it's
a very it's like a reunion, youknow.
Like I went to my 50th highschool reunion last year, and as
much fun as I had, this isbetter.
Because the memories are just sodifferent, and it has to do with
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something creative, and it hasto do with all the new people we
get to meet and all the friendswe've made.
SPEAKER_03 (21:57):
So it's become like this lifelong integral part of
who I am, oddly enough.
I gotta ask you real quick.
The convention you did inCleveland, was that Fright
Vision?
Was that the convention that youdid in Cleveland?
Was that called Fright Vision?
SPEAKER_04 (22:19):
No, uh that was um uh uh what was that called?
What was it called?
Uh not chill.
I can't think of the name of itright now.
I'm sorry.
I'll think of it.
Ask somebody a question, I'llI'll I'll think of it because it
was in Strogsville, really.
SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
And it was the first show ever.
And when somebody called me toask me to come to the show, I
thought, come to the show andsign stuff.
This this must be like some kindof like, I don't know, like a
like a fake thing where they'retrying to find a way to easel
(23:00):
money out of me or bring mesomewhere where I'm gonna get
kidnapped.
Or I didn't know what it was.
It just didn't make any sense tome.
So I get to Strongville, nophotos or anything, and there's
like all these people at thedoor.
And this Hispanic guy comes upto me and says, Lenny Lease,
machete zombie.
(23:20):
And I'm oh, are you talking tome?
And this guy knew who I wasbefore I knew what it was that
was going on.
And he was the first person thatever decided who I was from the
film.
And I saw all these people and Irealized they were there for the
show.
SPEAKER_03 (23:40):
And it was just it was exciting.
Because I was just gonna say,that was the first horror
convention I ever hosted, it wasin Strongsville, and it was
called Freight Vision, and itwas in the 90s.
But well, this one wasn't thiswasn't Freight Vision.
SPEAKER_04 (23:55):
Just curious.
I'm trying to figure out whatthe heck it was.
Sort of a wasteland?
Sort of a wasteland.
Okay, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, sort of a wasteland.
Good answer.
And it was, and then that justopened up to floodgates, you
know, because all of a suddenwe're doing four and five shows
a year in all these differentvenues.
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And it never ceases to amaze methat they're still going on,
these shows.
You know, we did a show in theUK, a bunch of us back in
November.
And it's just astonishing thepeople and the things they
collect.
You know, like I probably wouldhave gone to two shows by now if
I hadn't been involvedpersonally.
(24:42):
Because, you know, I'm I'mcurious too.
I went to Evan City for a show,just to be a fan, you know,
along with some friends.
And it's it's different being onthe other side.
Yeah.
You know, because you're like,you're there, you're uh a
collector, or you love the film.
(25:02):
It just astonishes me thatpeople love it so much.
I mean, I probably become thealien shows.
You know, I mean, I'll becauseyou know, I'm praying this,
because I think Donald Dead islike like one of the best horror
films ever made.
But then, you know, I can't beobjective about it.
I can't be objective about it,but I still think it is.
SPEAKER_03 (25:21):
So the rest of you three got paid a dollar.
What did you remember what youdid with the dollar?
Was it a memento?
Is it something you just boughta coat with?
SPEAKER_00 (25:28):
Uh well, truthfully, I was shocked I bought it.
I mean, I you know, they saidthey needed something at the
mall, so I summed it up.
And um, I had to sum my name.
I figured that's okay.
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Tom Savini wasn't even famousyet.
Nobody knew who he was, and hewas just this black mustache.
You know, like some rubber just,you know, the things together
that movie was because he hadnever made a movie at his
beliefs that we were aware of.
(26:20):
And one other thing I findinteresting is you have to look
at the time period.
Oh, your mic's not.
You think your mic enough?
SPEAKER_03 (26:29):
Is there is there a switch on your mic?
SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
Where is the there's no switch on it?
SPEAKER_03 (26:35):
Is there another switch on it?
SPEAKER_00 (26:38):
Well?
SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
Listen.
SPEAKER_00 (26:49):
Okay.
Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_03 (26:52):
Wait, I'm thinking mute each other.
He's gonna get back on the wordand make it happen.
Hold that pot.
All right.
You should be good to go.
SPEAKER_00 (27:04):
Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_03 (27:05):
You're good.
We're going to.
SPEAKER_00 (27:07):
Okay, so I talked all that for nothing.
Sorry about that for wastingyour time.
But I I just wanted to add, youhave to think of the time
period.
We had three TV stations.
That was it.
There was no cable TV when themovie was made.
There was no VHS.
So when we made the movie, wedidn't think it was going to go
(27:30):
anywhere.
I mean, I saw the effects thatit were doing for this, and I
never saw anything like thatbefore in my life.
And I knew this is never goingto play on one of the three
networks because of thecensorship.
This is going to play thedrive-ins for a week, and we'll
never see it again.
I mean, that's the way I lookedat this going into it.
I had no clue there would belongevity, but then all of a
(27:52):
sudden, a Hollywood home boxoffice started up, and they
would have two movies a monththat you could rent, and they
called them pay TV back then.
And then all of a sudden Betamaxcame up, and then all of a
sudden they started sellingtapes.
And that was one of the firsttapes being sold.
So we I think that Dona Did wasmade at just the right time that
(28:17):
I think that made it what it istoday.
And if it wasn't for that, youwouldn't never have seen it
again because there was no wayto show it on TV.
SPEAKER_03 (28:28):
Did you buy the video tape when it first came
out?
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Oh yeah.
I bought the tape before I had aVHS player.
SPEAKER_03 (28:37):
Now, when you first do you show it to friends and
friendly or the uh family offriends, or did you just kind of
enjoy it on your own?
SPEAKER_00 (28:45):
Nobody I know is interested in seeing it.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
So you just kind of sat down and enjoyed your work.
SPEAKER_00 (28:49):
Well, I I watched it, you know, to bring back
memories, you know, and then I'dsay it on the shelf.
So, and by the way, I I did aSuper 8 home movie, but again,
there was no such thing as a DVDextra.
I made it for my students.
I taught filmmaking and I wantedthem to know what it's like
seeing a movie being made.
(29:10):
So I made that Super 8 movie formy students, and then after a
while I laid on the shelf foryears and years and years, and
my brother called me saying thatAnchor Bay was going to make a
DVD, and they were interested inputting the DVD onto the onto
the special features.
So I sent him the DV the theSuper 8 movie in the mail, and
(29:34):
that's how it got on.
SPEAKER_03 (29:38):
So you kept that on Super 8, or did you transfer it
to the Super 8?
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