March 28, 2026 • 49 mins
Dive into this episode of the Fisch Bowl with Robert Kurtzman and Marcy King, where we discuss their upcoming film, Marshmallow, as well as their use of practical effects, movie adaptations, and experiences on the sets of other projects.
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SPEAKER_00 (00:00):
Attention, all you fish.
SPEAKER_04 (00:03):
Welcome to the fishbowl.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
What's up, all my fish in the sea?
You heard it from thewitchmaster himself.
I'm your host, Sam Fish.
Thanks for tuning in to the FishBowl.
Today's guests are special MakeEffects Legends Robert Kurtzman
and Marcy King, aka the creatorsof The Wishmaster himself.
On today's episode, we talkabout their latest film,
Marshmallow, now available onParamount Plus with Showtime, as
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well as some other streamingplatforms.
You are not going to want tomiss this interview.
We talk about a lot of othercool stuff over the course of
their careers.
Check it out.
Robert Kurtzman and Marcy Kingon the fishbowl.
Robert, once again, Marcy, it'sa pleasure to.
I know we met at Horror Realmwith Robert way back, what was
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that, like 2017, 2018?
It's been a while.
Yeah, it's a pleasure to to haveyou guys, you know, back on the
show.
And obviously, you can see in mybackground, I'm representing K
the former KB and Rob Robert'swork with uh Dust Holdon and
Army of Darkness.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
Yeah.
Which Army of Darkness poster isthat?
SPEAKER_06 (01:19):
Let me see if I can oh seen that one.
Never seen that one.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Yeah, and that's uh a little uh cooler version of uh
the Dust Hodon.
SPEAKER_06 (01:32):
I love the collage, yeah.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
I had the pleasure of uh meeting Julia Lewis last
year for the first time, and shewas dreamed to meet in person,
truly nice down-to-earth humanbeing, and of course, you know,
working on Dust Hold on and theNational Born Killers and you
know everything else she's done.
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I'm a big fan of hers and alsoher late father, Jeffrey Lewis.
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
But enough about that.
Let's get into Marshmallow.
I just rewatched the film thismorning to refresh myself with
it again, and I really, reallyenjoyed it a lot.
I have in my notes here thefirst thing I wanted to bring up
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on the topic of special effectswas the opening.
The the part where the water,like Morgan, the the main
character, lifts up his shirtand the water's like you know
coming out of his chest.
SPEAKER_06 (02:39):
The great part about that one is that we were able to
use my grandson, James, to comein and do a body cast.
Now, these guys are 12, 13 yearsold, and my grandson is nine at
the time and the size of a14-year-old.
So we were able to use his bodycast.
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So we cast him from the neckdown, his whole torso, so that
we could make that prostheticbecause it was a full-on
wraparound.
We've got some BTS photos of uhBob and I putting it on and had
to stand in water.
Uh, they actually had the bedand everything in a big like
water tank pool that they madewith a black lining.
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It was it was amazing.
And that was such a great timeto shoot.
Q, our actor, was so excited tobe able to interact with a
prosthetic like that.
And so yeah, it was it was a lotof fun.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
So yeah, we had it hooked up to a water rig, you
know, a pump rig, and would justpump it out and it would
recirculate the water from thetank and then pump it out his
stomach.
And of course, when he put hishands over it or did anything
like that, it would deflect andthen shoot him in the face, and
he would be like, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (03:56):
So a lot of that's real.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (03:58):
Because he's like, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
That was fun.
So the the movie that I wantedto say it reminded me the most
when this is this shows uh a bighorror sci-fi film nerd.
I am video drome.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (04:18):
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I didn't think of that.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
The the the that the the moment I saw the effect, and
this especially being like howit was in the stomach, you know,
like in the water coming out,the you know, video drome is is
probably my favorite DavidCronenberg.
And especially, you know, foreffects artists and that movie
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of like the time, you know, thethe effects were you know, some
of it might look a little alittle campy today, but some uh
most of it is like you know,it's like Blade Runner, you
know, like it still holds uplike the thing in every in in
the Carpenter film.
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But the scene where like youknow, James Woods is like
messing around with his handwith the gun and scratching at
his chest, and then you know,sticks his hand in his in his
chest and everything.
I was like almost like, is hegonna stick his hand in his
chest?
Is he gonna stick it in hischest?
SPEAKER_06 (05:22):
You know, but then I saw the water come out, and I
was like, this that was like theeffect that it reminded me of as
like a homage to right like whatare some scenes shot of that, I
believe, because I Bob would bepumping the water, and I was in
resetting every single time.
And there were a couple ofscenes when Danny Del
Purgatorio, our director, askedQ, like before it was really
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bubbling, is to kind of dig hisfingers in a little bit, you
know, and and so we tested a lotof different shots on that.
And I mean, no matter what, it'sjust you know, the lighting and
everything, just it was fun.
Yeah, it's disturbing.
SPEAKER_00 (05:58):
Yeah, that that that by far was probably my favorite
effect in the film.
Another thing I really lovedabout it was horror OG actor
Corbin Bursen.
I love dentist himself.
The dentist himself, exactly.
You took the words literallyright out of my mouth.
SPEAKER_06 (06:22):
Very good.
Corbin, we worked with Corbin onthe curse Showtime, uh, Nathan
Felder, Emily Stone, and he'sincredible to work with.
We've seen him at conventionsand chatted with him, and and
then to show up on set andCorbin's there again.
It was it was so great.
He's so fun.
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His grandpa in the dreamsequence.
I have BTS video because I wasentranced at his transformation
of just you know getting inthere.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (06:56):
Oh my gosh, yeah, he gave it.
Boy, he really, he really did.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:01):
And I know that you guys worked on Tales from the
Hood too, but Corbin's uhperformance in part one was my
my favorite.
I totally forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:12):
Yeah, he well, that wasn't a segment that we worked
on, it's with the puppet people,right?
The right he's the racist guythat which one was all the
little the little you didn'thear the title.
SPEAKER_06 (07:23):
Tales from the oh oh right, but it was two.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
No, part one, part one, yeah.
I I I initially said I know youguys worked on part two, but I
we've uh K and B did part one aswell.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
We right we had a bunch of stuff in that.
I did the guy who melts in tothe uh the guy gets hit with the
needles, he melts into the wall,yes, yes, and that zombie look
and stuff, right?
SPEAKER_06 (07:48):
Yeah, we did two where it was whipping and we
shredded a guy's chest entirelyand his guts fall out.
SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Right, right, right.
Yeah, I'm a big, big fan of uhthat that franchise.
SPEAKER_06 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah.
That was we were on haunting ofa hill house at that time, and
actually Bob was so busy we gotit in and we got a call from
Rusty, right?
And so I talked to him, and wewe figured it out how to you
know part off one of our crewmembers to go on set and do it,
and sent them the videotape forthe test, and they went crazy,
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and yeah, so we knew we were onthe right track with that one.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
That was a lot of fun, and and Rusty, another uh
Pittsburgh E.
SPEAKER_05 (08:33):
Right, yes well, that's cool, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
I I I've been a big fan of those films, uh, and
Corbyn's performance in partone, which Rob or me were were I
think got a little confused withthe segue, but him as like the
the former clan member, ohright, uh that like you know was
like running for some type oflike governor or something like
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that.
Yeah, and he moves to the thehouse that's like formerly a
slave plantation.
Uh oh right, you know, now Iremember, yeah.
All the dolls came in, like, youknow, got got him at at the end
and everything.
Like that that was my favoriteuh segment and the original
Tales from the Hood.
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And the second my secondfavorite was actually like I
guess it would be in in which isin part two, which is like the
essentially the sequel, in asense, to that that story.
SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
You know, because the the the main doll is like
featured again, like in in thesegment.
I forget what the segment'scalled, but that that was my
favorite segment in that one thepart two as well.
Let's see it.
The other the other actor who Iwas actually really surprised to
see in the role that he was inwas Paul Soder.
SPEAKER_06 (09:59):
Paul Soder, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:01):
I I am a big fan of Broken Lizard and everything
that they've done.
But then the thing that I wantedto follow it up with, you know,
if you remember correctly aboutPaul, he ended up being the
killer in Club Dread.
Okay, okay, you know, so I waslike, well, now it's kind of
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coming back to me, and I can seeuh where he can kind of channel
this, like, you know, littlelittle darker presence, right?
The more comedic, uh, you know,meow see here, you know.
SPEAKER_06 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah.
He was a lot of fun to workwith.
He was so great.
I mean, honestly, I'm not I'mnot kidding.
It is definitely one of thoseproductions that we both can say
we got along with everyone.
We had a really great familyunit.
They filmed it on in a camp thatwas turned into a public park,
but also I think they're gonnastart doing some day camp stuff
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after we were there and theycould repair some buildings and
things.
And it just was a great, like Isaid, family unit.
SPEAKER_04 (11:07):
Yeah, there was no no there was no actors and no
big eggs.
SPEAKER_06 (11:10):
We all got along.
Yeah, it was it was prettyincredible.
And then we had our our oldercounselors and our younger
peeps, which was cool because atthe time they were they were 12,
13, 14.
There might have been a15-year-old in there, but they
were all about the same age, andto see them, you know, interact
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was really cool.
I mean, the boys, right?
They were boys, believe me.
I got a few BTS photos of them,you know, acting like boys, so
it was it was pretty fun.
Q though, our lead, just one ofthose amazing young actors that
has amazing parents that supporthim and encourage him, and he's
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just a lovely human being.
So awesome.
And say enough about him.
Well, uh he's also my heightnow, whereas he was down to here
in two years.
Yeah, yeah.
We have we have picturestogether, and he signed our
poster for marshmallow, was thefirst signing that he did.
SPEAKER_00 (12:14):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_06 (12:15):
So yeah, that was great.
SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
I was gonna say I got a very like uh Goonies
Monster Squad, like uh mixedwith like a little bit of Friday
the 13th, with like the the campand everything, you know, feel
and then the ending, the twist.
I I I wrote a note to commentabout this.
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There were two that there's likethe I guess it would be like the
climax and then like the the thenew normal, the reveal, the
reveal, right?
The whole analogy the characterFranklin was giving to Q and Mor
Morgan his character and theother his love interest
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character, I forget her name,right?
Right, with the cocoa, yeah,that's her real name with the
cocoa and how he was like kindof presenting it, and then like
even the ending uh really likeemphasized on where I'm going
with this, but it was like thematrix with the red pill and the
blue pill.
SPEAKER_06 (13:19):
That's it, yeah.
That's absolutely that's cool.
I think I love how it goes inone way, and you get your scary
story, and you really think it'sgonna be about the monster and
you know something coming afterthe kids, which you think it is,
but then it's not, so it's likethat halfway through twist, not
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similar to Dustal Dawn, but youknow what I'm saying?
It's right, right, right, right.
You're questioning everything,which is funny because they put
that on the poster.
Question everything because inthe end, you're like, wait,
what?
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
You know, right, and then the the ending on another
sci-fi film note, you youprobably even well, it's big now
because of HBO, but Westworld.
SPEAKER_05 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
I I got a very like the ending was like totally it,
you know, it reminded me more oflike the original the what I
guess going back to the 70s.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (14:20):
Stepford Wise, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yulbrenner too, yeah.
It was it was very much like uhno no Westworld is Yulbrenner.
SPEAKER_06 (14:30):
That's what I'm saying.
That's that's that's our era ofright, right, right for sure.
Yeah, right, right.
That and that's shock of thatwhen you're watching that for
the first time, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:41):
And you know, I'm a huge fan of the HBO series,
don't get me wrong.
I think the writing wasexcellent.
I really wish we got like thethe final season before they
canceled it, but the originalWestworld film from you know
your your era, my my dad's era,second gen, you know, uh was way
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better.
It it was way scarier, and itwas just the the effects, the
look of Yo uh uh Brenner whenthey finally like reveal like
the the the face like turns likeyou know and how like the
robotic wiring was kind of youknow everything.
(15:28):
Yeah, yeah, uh the likeessentially the first
Terminator, you know.
Before there was the Terminator,there was there was Joel
Brenner.
SPEAKER_06 (15:37):
There was Joel Brenner, that's true.
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
Yeah, it was more like but that that effect
because of the error came fromwas more like the six million
dollar man episode with theSaxton, yeah.
Isn't it Saxton whose face comesoff and he's a robot?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:51):
Anyway, yeah, yeah.
Oh I I I watched the reruns, andthen the other thing to throw
towards uh Romero is the suitthat they all wore.
Reminded me of the crazies.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
The the white uh suits.
The original, the originalcrazies, yes, yes.
Uh not so much the remake, whichI love the remake suit.
SPEAKER_06 (16:18):
Which we love the remake.
We just watched it in public.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
But yeah, yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_06 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
Yeah, yeah.
That that was that was uh thebiggest things that I I took
away and really liked about thefilm.
I do have like a good list ofsome other stuff you've worked
on in the past uh decade that Idefinitely would like to talk
about and get into on the topicof children's themed films and
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child children secretheadquarters.
Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:56):
That's that's oh my gosh, more recent, yeah.
Uh Spy Kids Meets Goonies kindof feel to it.
SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (17:04):
Yeah, and again, the kids were kids and they were so
great.
Michael Pena, Owen Wilson.
Uh, we worked with JesseWilliams every almost every
single day for months um withhis scars.
And yeah, it was it was great towork on that.
Everybody came together.
The sets were just built in afood court of a mall.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
So that whole it's the same mall from Stranger
Things, which is actually, Ibelieve, the same mall from
Electric State, yes as well.
SPEAKER_04 (17:36):
Because they shot it, yeah, shot that in Georgia.
SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
And it's just in a it's a it's a mall that's just
there for shooting.
SPEAKER_05 (17:42):
Literally.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
So the whole headquarters, the whole that
whole headquarters was built inthere.
SPEAKER_06 (17:48):
Two stories, but it's not really, it's like two
stories of a mall.
SPEAKER_01 (17:51):
Okay, so it's it's built in the atrium of a mall.
SPEAKER_06 (17:54):
Yeah, it's giant.
You could walk all of this stuffall the way around, the lights
and the walls.
Yeah, I was they they did thecaves and the with the suit,
just holy smokes, everything.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
If I had a place to put it, and this is always that
way on a movie set like of thatnature.
If I had a place to put it, likeI would have begged for any of
the the cool computer consoleset pieces or any of that, like
just to bring back and have it,you know, lit up the monitors,
and it looks all cool.
SPEAKER_06 (18:25):
We got some stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
Nothing like that, though.
SPEAKER_06 (18:29):
But yeah, but it's no actually mostly what we have
here is I don't know if you cansee it all the way in the back
hanging on the wall.
That wood piece is from theHaunting of Hill House.
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (18:41):
Yeah, that's from the living room, and then and
Bob wanted that, so I contactedpeople right away because they
were we rapped and they weregonna start tearing it down the
next day.
And there was a statuary roomwhere Nell is dancing by herself
around, you know, she's doingthat as like a whole dream
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sequence kind of thing, and it'sa statuary room, and on the wall
of the statuary room was asaying, and I asked Flanagan
about it.
I was like, What dreams maycome?
And he said, Yeah, no one saidthat, no one even recognized it.
I said, Well, it's WilliamShakespeare, and and what dreams
may come use it, you know.
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He was blown away, so I askedfor that section.
Um so we have that section onthe wall, um, which is great.
SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
That's another kid, well, kind of a kid's show.
I mean, we had the ensemble castof kids and the haunting as
well.
SPEAKER_06 (19:39):
So in fact, there's basically the adults, and then
there's the teens, and then thekids.
We had a lot more kids actuallythan we did adults, which was
great.
They were so professional, sogreat.
It just yeah, that was that wasa really good experience as
well.
SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
Awesome, awesome.
The thing I wanted to say aboutum secret headquarters is it it
reminded me of like the 90s.
What's that 90s shows, yeah.
Oh yeah, like the 90s, like,like you know, that that's the
era I really grew up in.
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And I remember, you know, likein really up until like the
early 2000s, like you said, spykids meet scoonies had a real
spy kids feel too.
SPEAKER_06 (20:30):
But like Spy Kids 1, 2, and 30, right here.
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Coincidentally, and it it justit uh you know, there's there's
something about like the thechildren's films from the 90s
and like early 2000s that aren'tthe same about like children's
films of today, right?
For the most part, like there'sa lot of subcontext, there's
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adult themes, you know.
I mean, even the 80s, I mean,are you know the never-ending
story, you know.
SPEAKER_04 (21:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Um, but uh also back in the 80s, the kids were
smoking and swearing more in themovies.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Like stand by me, even andwhatever.
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (21:14):
The difference is because I grew up in the 80s.
Well, we didn't have phones, wedidn't have when we had TV, of
course.
We didn't have computers andphones, and we made our own
adventures.
Right, right.
We had a small copse of woodsthat somebody built some kind of
rickety shed thing.
There were guys that would go init because I found nudity
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magazines a couple of times.
And then me and my girlfriendsand a couple of guys, we would
like it was like our club.
And we didn't have a club, butwe just stopped there every once
in a while and hang out andchat, and and it was where we
could actually talk about stuff.
It was almost a neutral place.
Right.
Um You know, you always assumethat guys want to kiss you as
girls, and guys always thinkthat girls want to be.
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And it was so funny because inthat in that little area, we
didn't have that angst.
We didn't have any of that.
We literally were talking likehumans to human and just that
really cool bonding interaction.
I don't know that kids have thatright now.
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Well, I know they're stuck on their phones, but but I
mean back in those in thosefilms that you're talking about,
even Secret Headquarters hadsome of that that kind of stuff
without going too much into kidsbeing glued to their their cell
phones and stuff.
But you know, those movies had asense of the kids would get out
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of the house and create things.
It's almost like the R gangfield.
They'd go out and build go-kartsor you know, do things in the
neighborhood and build things toas an offshoot of their
imagination.
Like like for us, like when wewere kids, we played we had a
tree house that my dad built,whatever.
That became our kind ofspaceship or submarine or
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whatever.
There's always a hatched door inthe bottom, and that was we'd
we'd play Fantastic Voyage, youknow.
Um we'd make these like helmetswith, you know, it would be a
Quaker Oats a container on yourback for the scuba gear, you
know, is that kind of right,right?
Yeah, I I I'm with you.
I I really uh gravitate towardthose kind of movies and those
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kind of kids.
SPEAKER_06 (23:21):
We love I mean the innocence, you know, you you've
got that in marshmallow.
You have that right sense.
I mean, you don't know you don'tknow the backstories in the
beginning, but you do see thatinnocence of different ages
interacting and trying to findtheir place at the camp.
And obviously we have Morganwho's shy, scared, and all of
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that.
And yeah it just it definitelycaptured the dynamic of
different personalities at acamp.
And I think that was that wasreally on Andy, our writer on
his part.
I think that was a greatdescription of of those
characters and bringing themtogether.
How would they interact?
I think perfectly how he wroteit.
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They they would interact justlike that, so yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
Definitely, definitely, and I actually have
a funny story about uh AndyPalmer.
SPEAKER_05 (24:19):
Oh, Andy Palmer, that was our editor, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Yeah, I guess it must have been shortly after we
we did it our first interview,but I had two short HP Lovecraft
scripts that I adapted that onewas made it to a
quarterfinalist, the other madeit to the finalist, which is
what got me into the thefestival.
(24:44):
But I went to Shriekfest in2018.
I didn't win, but I was I madeit as a finalist for my
adaptation of um cool TheTerrible Man and Andy's uh film
Camp Coldbrook won at thefestival.
(25:05):
Okay, so I I actually met himthere and we're friends on
Facebook, and that's just afunny, you know, it's a small
world, yeah.
Small, yeah, small world.
Totally.
SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
Yeah, six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Yeah, exactly.
Six degrees of fish.
SPEAKER_06 (25:22):
Um we actually did a film, The Funhouse Massacre.
Hey, right Robert England has acameo in it and horror comedy at
its finest.
Andy directed that so well.
It was so great to work.
That's the first time I workedwith Andy.
I think you were did you workwith Andy before that?
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
No, uh uh that was the first time too.
SPEAKER_06 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, he directed that.
That was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
Segwaying into that was uh with Danny, El
Purgatorio.
We had done Danny's short filmsand some commercial campaigns
for him over the years prior tothis movie getting off the
ground.
So that was like very excitingto be able to, you know.
We've done short scheduled shortfilms, which were always very
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high in production value and andvery entertaining as shorts.
Yeah, and so we knew that youknow, if he was gonna do a
feature, it was gonna besomething we were doing.
SPEAKER_06 (26:16):
Yeah, we'd wanted to get involved with it.
So um, yeah, we actually were onanother show that shut down, and
we were only supposed to dothree days on Marshall.
And when that other show shutdown, I called the producer,
Warner.
And Warner's great.
We've worked with him sinceFunhouse Massacre as well and on
several things.
And I called and I said, Hey,lost our show.
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We can do more than three days.
Do you have people yet?
And they said, No, we don't havepeople.
And I said, Well, we'reavailable, and they said, We
can't afford you.
So I said, No, no, no, no, no,you don't understand.
This is our opportunity to workwith Danny, and we would love to
be involved with his firstfeature, and we would have loved
to do it from the beginning, thewhole thing, but our schedule,
(27:02):
their schedule, so it workedout.
And not only do we do makeup andmakeup effects, we also did hair
department, which was incrediblychallenging for stunt wigs, but
luckily it was so great.
Just the two of us working onit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
It was just like I said, we had a great time.
I mean, it was a greatatmosphere because Indie Stone
everybody worked together.
Yeah, and we were on onelocation, which was great.
We weren't moving around intrailers, different locations
every day trying to set up.
We kind of we set up our makeuproom in one of the cabins, one
of the office cabins, and andthen that became our hub for the
(27:39):
entire show.
So, and basically you're you'reworking around a summer camp, so
you're you're basically pullingwagons around to differ the
different cabins and set areas,you know, which was great
because we weren't loading carsand moving around.
SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
It was very cool.
Awesome, awesome.
I have a uh well, a couplequestions about two really one
of my one is one of my topactually new favorite Stephen
King films, Dr.
Sleep, and the other StephenKing film, Gerald's game.
(28:16):
I have a personal story aboutthat.
I had a neighbor growing up whowas handicapped, and the guy was
a martial artist, somebody thatpretty much did everything with
like their body and their hands,and he got unfortunately struck
(28:38):
by a car and was bound to awheelchair up until you know his
death in the late 90s, and hewas really big in the movies,
and I remember seeing a lot offilms with him and my dad, and
he had this this the novel ofGerald's game that he gave to
(29:03):
me, and I still have like theoriginal hardback copy of it.
I was always like just by thecover of it, too like freaked
out, you know, especially youknow, back in the 90s when
you're like a little kid, and Ihad just come off seeing the the
first uh Pet Cemetery on TV thatmessed me up.
(29:26):
I was like really intimidated tolike read the book, and I
finally did, and I'm reallyhappy that there was a film
adaptation, especially with thatfilm and also with uh Dr.
Sleep.
You know, I love Stephen King.
And you know, I can't confirmthis for sure, but I would when
(29:49):
I was at his funeral, I couldhave sworn Stephen King was
there.
SPEAKER_05 (29:54):
No kidding.
SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
You know, he was one of those people that was big
when like you know, the internetfirst came out, and you know,
being bound to a wheelchair andyou know, having access to the
internet, you know, it's it'samazing who you can meet in chat
rooms and stuff.
SPEAKER_06 (30:12):
I have a personal connection with Gerald's game as
well, because I started out Ithink the first one was King.
SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
Excuse me.
SPEAKER_06 (30:19):
And I believe I was only like 13 or 14.
And my mom didn't haverestrictions on what I read
because once I started readingat like 11 and read my full
first whole book, which wasCharlotte's Webb, I moved on to
Agatha Christie and StephenKing.
(30:39):
And Carrie was my first book Iread.
And I remember giggling andsaying to mom, dirty pillows,
you know, and and then she readthe book, and then we had
conversations.
So it opened up thatconversation with my mom about
mature things and and all ofthat.
So we were always very closereading, but Gerald's game.
(31:01):
I started reading the firstcouple of chapters, and I said,
I I love Stephen King, I can'tdo it, I can't do it.
So I never read it.
Then I started working for Boband he said, Hey, we got a new
script, and he throws a copy onmy desk, and I went, Oh, hell
no.
And then I read it, and Mike'sadaptation was just holy smokes,
(31:25):
so smart, so yeah, just right.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
It was very smart, you know, ditching some of the
other elements that were in thebook, consolidating characters
to make it really about the twoof them, the three of them with
the moonlight man, but right,and then eliminating all the
other weird stuff that is goingon in her mind.
SPEAKER_06 (31:46):
Yeah, but this was very oh my gosh.
No, we loved actually that wasanother one.
We loved working on that.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
So big family.
The the reason both of thosefilms are some of my newer, like
more favorite horror films, butespecially King films, is
because you know, it justeverything is like for the most
part either a reboot or aremake.
And I mean, in my opinion, and Imay get a lot of hate for this,
(32:16):
but every remake that they havedone so far is not as good as
the the original, you know.
I mean, it it was part one andpart two was okay, but I didn't
like how they made Pennywiselike basically Freddie Kruger,
(32:37):
which he's not supposed to be.
SPEAKER_03 (32:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
Tim Curry was I mean, I I I have like a
recurring like clown nightmarethat's like a mixture of like
Tim Curry's It and Killer Clownsfrom Outer Space.
Um it varies like in you knowthat when the dream happens,
like sometimes I'm in the theyou know, circus spaceship,
(33:02):
sometimes it's you know TimCurry haunting my dreams as
Pennywise, but you know boththose films were like especially
the the Tim Curry ed andeverybody that was in that, and
just even though it was like amini-series, like it's still way
scarier than you know the remakethey did.
(33:24):
Pet Cemetery, you know, I saw itin theaters, it was alright, but
like, you know, I made itthrough to the end with like not
being disturbed, you know, andto this day, I still can't like
make it through the original PetCemetery.
Pet Cemetery 2, fine, you know,no problem.
(33:46):
One of my favorite, you know,90s horror films, especially
with Elward Furlong, it was bigback then.
Brain Scan, another one.
SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
I think there's a big deal, like most of those
movies are still scarier to methan the new remakes, and it's
because the age I was when I sawthem in the era which I saw
them.
SPEAKER_05 (34:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
And today I'm so like, there's nothing new or
magical half the time becauseyou know they can do almost
anything with a movie anymore.
So, like visually, so you'relike, it's not surprising.
Whereas when I was a kid, allthose movies surprised me, you
know.
You know, spent like PetCemetery 2, because I had the
(34:30):
little kid, Cage, who was, youknow, right freaked everybody
out, you know, because it's likefirst time I saw a little kid
with a knife and yeah, he's deadand whatever.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (34:44):
I think it was also in that yeah, we did a night by
the desensitized, but kind of.
And and sometimes I have toexplain, and and because we are,
I mean, we've been around for awhile, we've seen a lot of
movies, but if you cut togetting kids' reactions, like
(35:04):
16, 17, even 14-year-olds, tosome of the new newer stuff,
they're like blown away.
So it's you have to have thatperspective.
But unfortunately, that's asmall percentage of people who
are watching the movies andpaying for them and going to the
theater because they can drive.
So I think filmmakers need to beaware of that, that you
(35:28):
literally have to take inconsideration the bulk of us.
SPEAKER_01 (35:31):
Definitely a difference between watching it
at home and watching it attheater.
That too.
I watch it because a lot oftimes I'll skip a movie in the
theater.
It's not like you know,something that might not be, you
know, top my radar.
But I was like, Right, you know,I want to see that, and then
I'll wait to watch it on TV.
But the fact that you can pauseit, go to the bathroom, you get
it, get it, whatever.
(35:52):
You you can do these breaks, oreven like we go, oh, we're
sleeping now, we're gonna watchit next half tomorrow.
Yeah, that break breaks themomentum and the buildup and
everything.
Yeah so it affects you totallydifferently.
And everybody now is watching ontheir phone and iPads, yeah,
yeah.
Doing the same thing.
SPEAKER_06 (36:11):
So yeah, we we have not we have not, how do I want
to say, compromised so much thatwe watch anything on anything
smaller than a TV, we don'twatch on a laptop either.
We I I've watched a couple ofthings, and it's weird because
it just episodic, we can do thatwith, it just doesn't have the
(36:33):
same impact.
SPEAKER_00 (36:34):
I I completely agree.
SPEAKER_06 (36:35):
I mean, I saw Independence Day at the theater,
and two things about that.
I didn't know what it was about.
I'm not if I start watching atrailer and I like it in the
first like two seconds, shemakes me shut it off.
Yeah, I do this, or I tell him,don't show me.
So it went to Independence Day,not knowing, but Independence
(36:56):
Day in the theater is a wholenother ball game.
SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (37:01):
It is the impact of that is incredible.
Everything is big, everythinglike explosions, this and that.
But you really get immersed in amovie more when you're at a
theater.
I mean, we're big proponents intrying to keep theaters going
because they are having a bigproblem.
So resurgence, let's keep goingto the theater.
SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
I mean, it's it's it's that means the communal
thing, like communal at home,and yeah, you know, why is it
two of us which we kind of agreeon everything?
I mean, we don't we don't jumpand then laugh at everybody in
the theaters, like yeah,laughing at themselves and
jumping.
Rarely do I jump watching it ontelevision.
SPEAKER_06 (37:42):
I just want to say one thing.
We worked on haunting abellhouse.
We know there's a big jump scarein there.
We watched it happen, and hejumps every single time we
watched that episode.
SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
Yeah, that's a little that is one show I
watched on television, but thatthat show, yeah, all every
element of that show wasengaging and creepy, and it hit
all the buttons perfectly.
And I that was a rarity when I'mwatching television.
SPEAKER_06 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah.
But um, yeah, anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (38:12):
Well, the the thing I wanted to say that was
actually that brought me to thetheater, but at the same time, I
only feel like I got the thebest benefit out of it when I
bought it on Blu-ray and andwatched it in its entirety,
which was Doctor's Sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
Yeah, what the the director's cut, yes, yeah.
That's yeah, so much betterbecause it yeah, it has that
little bit more of characterdevelopment with the little girl
and stuff.
Yeah, yes, makes it work.
SPEAKER_05 (38:44):
It's just yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
It's it's yeah, that's I could I could tell in
the theatrical cut a lot musthave been cut from from this
movie because some of some ofthe stuff was just a little
quick and how it happens.
And then when first of all, whenwhen I when I heard there was a
director's cut, I was like, yes.
Yes, like for the first timelike in I don't know how many
(39:11):
years have I been excited to seelike an actual director's cut of
a film, and and this is like arare experience because this is
like a brand new movie, like youknow, when it was released on on
Blu-ray, you know, how many, youknow, a couple years ago now.
But I you know, like the theshine, the original shining is
(39:33):
another one of those movies thatlike mess with me as a kid.
It's it's in here, yes.
And if it wasn't for the scorefor that movie, it wouldn't it
wouldn't be as scary as as itwas.
And I have to say somethingabout the master late filmmaker
Stanley Kubrick.
(39:53):
Every one of his films had uhlike just a masterful score:
Clockwork Orange, Full MetalJacket, The Shining, you know.
SPEAKER_06 (40:04):
Yeah, and the Shining, it's another character,
exactly is the equivalent ofanother character bringing you
into that space and and reallyputting you in the mood and
getting your head straight init.
Yeah, yeah.
That's well, it's it's prettyepic too.
SPEAKER_00 (40:22):
Yes, yes, and and I like with the directors cut how
they cut it into chapters, youknow, like it like it's like a
book, you know.
Yeah, and and and the yearswhere I'm also gonna get a lot
of probably slack, but I I youknow I get where Stephen King
was coming from with wanting todo it from his miniseries,
(40:44):
because you know, as much as Ilove Jack Nicholson, the late
Shelly Duball, and you know, thethe original Kubrick film, I do
like the mini-series more.
I think the Kubrick film is amasterpiece in terms of like a
movie version, but I I thoughtthe mini-series flushed out, you
(41:09):
know, more like it like of it'sthe fact that it was you know
four parts, they had a littlemore time to that the the
McGarras series, right?
SPEAKER_01 (41:20):
Yes, yes, yeah, because that's the only one I
think they did so far.
Yeah, yeah.
No, there was that.
Did you did you read the bookfor Dr.
Sleep?
Uh I did.
Okay.
So you know that the overlookwasn't in the book.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (41:36):
That Mike talked Steve.
Right, exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
That's actually why I I brought that up, because the
the mini-series is, you know, ofof the the original Shining is a
little more closer to the book.
And I know that the storyapparently was that King wanted
to like, you know, base it offthe the mini-series or some
(42:01):
something along those lines.
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
And I know that Mike talked them into so he he
pitched him one scene, and asfar as I recollect.
Yeah.
Pinched him one scene, and itwas a scene where the Jack
Nicholson character is nowbartending at the at the
overlook.
SPEAKER_00 (42:23):
And and young McGregor Danny is talking to his
own father, who's not doesn'tquite realize he's that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
That's yeah, right, right.
And they have that conversationat the bar, and Steven was so
hooked on that idea that hesaid, okay, put the overlook
back in.
SPEAKER_06 (42:40):
So a really fun story is because again, we
worked on Dr.
Sleep together and got to knowthe characters and and the
actors.
Robert Longstreet had a birthdayduring the filming of Dr.
Sleep.
And so a bunch of the actorswere getting together.
And because Robert and Bob havekind of a bromance thing,
(43:02):
they're adorable.
Uh Robert's amazing.
And they invited us to come tothe birthday party.
And it happens to be at arestaurant in Atlanta that we
adore, and we also knew duringthe filming of Haunting of Hill
House, Henry Thomas loved aswell.
Long story short, we're gettinginto the party, we're having
fun, we have dinner and drinks,and just it was such a great
(43:25):
time.
And in walks this bald man asHenry Thomas, and we all lost it
and started screaming.
SPEAKER_01 (43:35):
Because we didn't know what part he was playing.
SPEAKER_06 (43:37):
We knew he was coming, and we weren't sure that
that's what it was, but heshaved his head so they could
put a hair piece on.
There's a part where he'sdragging the axe, and I bloodied
his head, and and we got theblood on the axe right and all
that kind of stuff.
But yeah, it was that was ashock, and that was such a great
time.
I have some selfies with him,and we've got pictures.
(44:00):
Of the guys with them bald,which is which is crazy.
I don't think I've ever shownany of those pictures.
And of course, Henry being aprofessional, he's like, you
know, you don't post those.
And I'm like, just not even athing, you know.
Um, no, that was really great.
But honestly, again, a MikeFlanagan production, that room,
(44:21):
that bar room, we were in theoverlook lobby.
They built all of that.
It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
It was pretty spectacular.
Yeah, it was everything down tothe detail, recreational.
SPEAKER_06 (44:36):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (44:37):
Even the bar room, the gold room.
Yeah.
Um, and as they were building,we go in every few weeks and
onto the stage to take a peek.
And every week it was like, ohmy God, there's more stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (44:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
Oh, there's paint now on it.
Yeah.
I I just looked throughsomething the other day and I
was standing in the fireplace.
SPEAKER_05 (44:54):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:55):
And I had a picture of me standing in the fireplace.
And I was like, wow, it was 20pounds lighter than it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (45:03):
No, that's true.
The one of a really cool momentswas driving on the lot one day,
and they had the carpet rolledout in a parking lot.
SPEAKER_03 (45:12):
Oh, full length.
SPEAKER_06 (45:14):
All of the carpet.
And we were freaking out.
Just there it is.
There's the carpet.
There's there's oh my gosh.
It just, yeah, all of it.
It just during the filming AlexEsso doing uh Shelly went or
Shelly Duval.
Shelly Duval's part with thedoor.
SPEAKER_00 (45:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (45:36):
There were it wasn't a huge amount of us because I
think it was kind of like asecond team kind of thing that
we're filming it, but all of usthat were standing there holding
on to each other's arms, holdinghands, just gripping, going,
she's nailing it.
It just was he's knocking thehole through the he's not in the
(45:57):
weeks, we were all like holysmokes.
We're watching this happen, andshe killed it.
Like she just did such a goodjob.
SPEAKER_02 (46:07):
And then, of course, we all since the tape was done,
we were all getting our picturestaken our own.
SPEAKER_06 (46:15):
So stunt coordinator is like, all right, you guys,
get your heads out of the jaggeddoor.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Everybody out there, go check out Marshmallow.
Uh, it's it's a great film, alot of fun, and uh, I think uh
the fans will enjoy it.
So it was a pleasure to work on,and it was great.
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_06 (46:36):
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_00 (46:37):
Thank you for taking this time to swim in the bowl
with me.
SPEAKER_05 (46:42):
All right, I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
Last two questions.
What are some of your favoritefilms in general?
Doesn't have to be horror.
Uh then I know we havemarshmallow coming out and
creature feature weekend thiscoming weekend.
Any other projects to promote aswell?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, well, sure.
SPEAKER_01 (47:04):
Let's do the favorite films first for me.
I mean, there's several.
I'm gonna put them up there forexperiences.
I got four actually of like myfavorite experiences in a movie,
theater, and uh of coursethere's Jaws.
The other one would be Aliens,the second Aliens film, Raiders
of the Lost Ark, and The Thing,John Carpenter's the Thing.
(47:29):
Those are the like the four orfive my favorite like movies.
SPEAKER_06 (47:34):
Raiders, yeah, The Thing, The Exorcist.
Those those are my top three.
And like those, those are whatcome to mind in like a
heartbeat.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:44):
And uh was oh, stuff we have coming out.
We have uh well, we have a moviecalled the Johnny Ryan movie
that we don't say anything moreabout it yet.
SPEAKER_04 (47:54):
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (47:54):
Uh we have a we did a film called Goons last year
that should be coming out thisyear as well.
So there we go.
We got three movies coming outthis year, probably.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (48:04):
So awesome, awesome.
Robert Marcy, thank you so muchfor taking the time to swim in
the bowl with me.
I hope the temperature was justright.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_06 (48:17):
Thank you so much.
Good to talk to you.
SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
We'll see you around soon.
Definitely take care.
Bye.
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What's up, all my fish in the sea?
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Thanks for tuning in to the FishBowl.
Today's guests are special MakeEffects Legends Robert Kurtzman
and Marcy King, aka the creatorsof The Wishmaster himself.
On today's episode, we talkabout their latest film,
Marshmallow, now available onParamount Plus with Showtime, as
(00:32):
well as some other streamingplatforms.
You are not going to want tomiss this interview.
We talk about a lot of othercool stuff over the course of
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Check it out.
Robert Kurtzman and Marcy Kingon the fishbowl.
Robert, once again, Marcy, it'sa pleasure to.
I know we met at Horror Realmwith Robert way back, what was
(00:55):
that, like 2017, 2018?
It's been a while.
Yeah, it's a pleasure to to haveyou guys, you know, back on the
show.
And obviously, you can see in mybackground, I'm representing K
the former KB and Rob Robert'swork with uh Dust Holdon and
Army of Darkness.
SPEAKER_01 (01:16):
Yeah.
Which Army of Darkness poster isthat?
SPEAKER_06 (01:19):
Let me see if I can oh seen that one.
Never seen that one.
SPEAKER_00 (01:25):
Yeah, and that's uh a little uh cooler version of uh
the Dust Hodon.
SPEAKER_06 (01:32):
I love the collage, yeah.
That's cool.
SPEAKER_00 (01:34):
I had the pleasure of uh meeting Julia Lewis last
year for the first time, and shewas dreamed to meet in person,
truly nice down-to-earth humanbeing, and of course, you know,
working on Dust Hold on and theNational Born Killers and you
know everything else she's done.
(01:55):
I'm a big fan of hers and alsoher late father, Jeffrey Lewis.
SPEAKER_03 (02:00):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (02:02):
But enough about that.
Let's get into Marshmallow.
I just rewatched the film thismorning to refresh myself with
it again, and I really, reallyenjoyed it a lot.
I have in my notes here thefirst thing I wanted to bring up
(02:23):
on the topic of special effectswas the opening.
The the part where the water,like Morgan, the the main
character, lifts up his shirtand the water's like you know
coming out of his chest.
SPEAKER_06 (02:39):
The great part about that one is that we were able to
use my grandson, James, to comein and do a body cast.
Now, these guys are 12, 13 yearsold, and my grandson is nine at
the time and the size of a14-year-old.
So we were able to use his bodycast.
(03:00):
So we cast him from the neckdown, his whole torso, so that
we could make that prostheticbecause it was a full-on
wraparound.
We've got some BTS photos of uhBob and I putting it on and had
to stand in water.
Uh, they actually had the bedand everything in a big like
water tank pool that they madewith a black lining.
(03:23):
It was it was amazing.
And that was such a great timeto shoot.
Q, our actor, was so excited tobe able to interact with a
prosthetic like that.
And so yeah, it was it was a lotof fun.
SPEAKER_01 (03:37):
So yeah, we had it hooked up to a water rig, you
know, a pump rig, and would justpump it out and it would
recirculate the water from thetank and then pump it out his
stomach.
And of course, when he put hishands over it or did anything
like that, it would deflect andthen shoot him in the face, and
he would be like, you know.
SPEAKER_05 (03:56):
So a lot of that's real.
SPEAKER_01 (03:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (03:58):
Because he's like, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
That was fun.
So the the movie that I wantedto say it reminded me the most
when this is this shows uh a bighorror sci-fi film nerd.
I am video drome.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (04:18):
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I didn't think of that.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (04:22):
The the the that the the moment I saw the effect, and
this especially being like howit was in the stomach, you know,
like in the water coming out,the you know, video drome is is
probably my favorite DavidCronenberg.
And especially, you know, foreffects artists and that movie
(04:44):
of like the time, you know, thethe effects were you know, some
of it might look a little alittle campy today, but some uh
most of it is like you know,it's like Blade Runner, you
know, like it still holds uplike the thing in every in in
the Carpenter film.
(05:05):
But the scene where like youknow, James Woods is like
messing around with his handwith the gun and scratching at
his chest, and then you know,sticks his hand in his in his
chest and everything.
I was like almost like, is hegonna stick his hand in his
chest?
Is he gonna stick it in hischest?
SPEAKER_06 (05:22):
You know, but then I saw the water come out, and I
was like, this that was like theeffect that it reminded me of as
like a homage to right like whatare some scenes shot of that, I
believe, because I Bob would bepumping the water, and I was in
resetting every single time.
And there were a couple ofscenes when Danny Del
Purgatorio, our director, askedQ, like before it was really
(05:44):
bubbling, is to kind of dig hisfingers in a little bit, you
know, and and so we tested a lotof different shots on that.
And I mean, no matter what, it'sjust you know, the lighting and
everything, just it was fun.
Yeah, it's disturbing.
SPEAKER_00 (05:58):
Yeah, that that that by far was probably my favorite
effect in the film.
Another thing I really lovedabout it was horror OG actor
Corbin Bursen.
I love dentist himself.
The dentist himself, exactly.
You took the words literallyright out of my mouth.
SPEAKER_06 (06:22):
Very good.
Corbin, we worked with Corbin onthe curse Showtime, uh, Nathan
Felder, Emily Stone, and he'sincredible to work with.
We've seen him at conventionsand chatted with him, and and
then to show up on set andCorbin's there again.
It was it was so great.
He's so fun.
(06:43):
His grandpa in the dreamsequence.
I have BTS video because I wasentranced at his transformation
of just you know getting inthere.
SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (06:56):
Oh my gosh, yeah, he gave it.
Boy, he really, he really did.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (07:01):
And I know that you guys worked on Tales from the
Hood too, but Corbin's uhperformance in part one was my
my favorite.
I totally forgot about that.
SPEAKER_01 (07:12):
Yeah, he well, that wasn't a segment that we worked
on, it's with the puppet people,right?
The right he's the racist guythat which one was all the
little the little you didn'thear the title.
SPEAKER_06 (07:23):
Tales from the oh oh right, but it was two.
SPEAKER_00 (07:28):
No, part one, part one, yeah.
I I I initially said I know youguys worked on part two, but I
we've uh K and B did part one aswell.
SPEAKER_01 (07:37):
We right we had a bunch of stuff in that.
I did the guy who melts in tothe uh the guy gets hit with the
needles, he melts into the wall,yes, yes, and that zombie look
and stuff, right?
SPEAKER_06 (07:48):
Yeah, we did two where it was whipping and we
shredded a guy's chest entirelyand his guts fall out.
SPEAKER_00 (07:57):
Right, right, right.
Yeah, I'm a big, big fan of uhthat that franchise.
SPEAKER_06 (08:03):
Yeah, yeah.
That was we were on haunting ofa hill house at that time, and
actually Bob was so busy we gotit in and we got a call from
Rusty, right?
And so I talked to him, and wewe figured it out how to you
know part off one of our crewmembers to go on set and do it,
and sent them the videotape forthe test, and they went crazy,
(08:25):
and yeah, so we knew we were onthe right track with that one.
SPEAKER_00 (08:28):
That was a lot of fun, and and Rusty, another uh
Pittsburgh E.
SPEAKER_05 (08:33):
Right, yes well, that's cool, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
I I I've been a big fan of those films, uh, and
Corbyn's performance in partone, which Rob or me were were I
think got a little confused withthe segue, but him as like the
the former clan member, ohright, uh that like you know was
like running for some type oflike governor or something like
(08:59):
that.
Yeah, and he moves to the thehouse that's like formerly a
slave plantation.
Uh oh right, you know, now Iremember, yeah.
All the dolls came in, like, youknow, got got him at at the end
and everything.
Like that that was my favoriteuh segment and the original
Tales from the Hood.
(09:20):
And the second my secondfavorite was actually like I
guess it would be in in which isin part two, which is like the
essentially the sequel, in asense, to that that story.
SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (09:36):
You know, because the the the main doll is like
featured again, like in in thesegment.
I forget what the segment'scalled, but that that was my
favorite segment in that one thepart two as well.
Let's see it.
The other the other actor who Iwas actually really surprised to
see in the role that he was inwas Paul Soder.
SPEAKER_06 (09:59):
Paul Soder, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (10:01):
I I am a big fan of Broken Lizard and everything
that they've done.
But then the thing that I wantedto follow it up with, you know,
if you remember correctly aboutPaul, he ended up being the
killer in Club Dread.
Okay, okay, you know, so I waslike, well, now it's kind of
(10:21):
coming back to me, and I can seeuh where he can kind of channel
this, like, you know, littlelittle darker presence, right?
The more comedic, uh, you know,meow see here, you know.
SPEAKER_06 (10:36):
Yeah, yeah.
He was a lot of fun to workwith.
He was so great.
I mean, honestly, I'm not I'mnot kidding.
It is definitely one of thoseproductions that we both can say
we got along with everyone.
We had a really great familyunit.
They filmed it on in a camp thatwas turned into a public park,
but also I think they're gonnastart doing some day camp stuff
(10:59):
after we were there and theycould repair some buildings and
things.
And it just was a great, like Isaid, family unit.
SPEAKER_04 (11:07):
Yeah, there was no no there was no actors and no
big eggs.
SPEAKER_06 (11:10):
We all got along.
Yeah, it was it was prettyincredible.
And then we had our our oldercounselors and our younger
peeps, which was cool because atthe time they were they were 12,
13, 14.
There might have been a15-year-old in there, but they
were all about the same age, andto see them, you know, interact
(11:30):
was really cool.
I mean, the boys, right?
They were boys, believe me.
I got a few BTS photos of them,you know, acting like boys, so
it was it was pretty fun.
Q though, our lead, just one ofthose amazing young actors that
has amazing parents that supporthim and encourage him, and he's
(11:56):
just a lovely human being.
So awesome.
And say enough about him.
Well, uh he's also my heightnow, whereas he was down to here
in two years.
Yeah, yeah.
We have we have picturestogether, and he signed our
poster for marshmallow, was thefirst signing that he did.
SPEAKER_00 (12:14):
Awesome.
SPEAKER_06 (12:15):
So yeah, that was great.
SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
I was gonna say I got a very like uh Goonies
Monster Squad, like uh mixedwith like a little bit of Friday
the 13th, with like the the campand everything, you know, feel
and then the ending, the twist.
I I I wrote a note to commentabout this.
(12:36):
There were two that there's likethe I guess it would be like the
climax and then like the the thenew normal, the reveal, the
reveal, right?
The whole analogy the characterFranklin was giving to Q and Mor
Morgan his character and theother his love interest
(12:58):
character, I forget her name,right?
Right, with the cocoa, yeah,that's her real name with the
cocoa and how he was like kindof presenting it, and then like
even the ending uh really likeemphasized on where I'm going
with this, but it was like thematrix with the red pill and the
blue pill.
SPEAKER_06 (13:19):
That's it, yeah.
That's absolutely that's cool.
I think I love how it goes inone way, and you get your scary
story, and you really think it'sgonna be about the monster and
you know something coming afterthe kids, which you think it is,
but then it's not, so it's likethat halfway through twist, not
(13:40):
similar to Dustal Dawn, but youknow what I'm saying?
It's right, right, right, right.
You're questioning everything,which is funny because they put
that on the poster.
Question everything because inthe end, you're like, wait,
what?
SPEAKER_00 (13:54):
You know, right, and then the the ending on another
sci-fi film note, you youprobably even well, it's big now
because of HBO, but Westworld.
SPEAKER_05 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:05):
I I got a very like the ending was like totally it,
you know, it reminded me more oflike the original the what I
guess going back to the 70s.
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (14:20):
Stepford Wise, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yulbrenner too, yeah.
It was it was very much like uhno no Westworld is Yulbrenner.
SPEAKER_06 (14:30):
That's what I'm saying.
That's that's that's our era ofright, right, right for sure.
Yeah, right, right.
That and that's shock of thatwhen you're watching that for
the first time, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (14:41):
And you know, I'm a huge fan of the HBO series,
don't get me wrong.
I think the writing wasexcellent.
I really wish we got like thethe final season before they
canceled it, but the originalWestworld film from you know
your your era, my my dad's era,second gen, you know, uh was way
(15:06):
better.
It it was way scarier, and itwas just the the effects, the
look of Yo uh uh Brenner whenthey finally like reveal like
the the the face like turns likeyou know and how like the
robotic wiring was kind of youknow everything.
(15:28):
Yeah, yeah, uh the likeessentially the first
Terminator, you know.
Before there was the Terminator,there was there was Joel
Brenner.
SPEAKER_06 (15:37):
There was Joel Brenner, that's true.
SPEAKER_01 (15:38):
Yeah, it was more like but that that effect
because of the error came fromwas more like the six million
dollar man episode with theSaxton, yeah.
Isn't it Saxton whose face comesoff and he's a robot?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:51):
Anyway, yeah, yeah.
Oh I I I watched the reruns, andthen the other thing to throw
towards uh Romero is the suitthat they all wore.
Reminded me of the crazies.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
The the white uh suits.
The original, the originalcrazies, yes, yes.
Uh not so much the remake, whichI love the remake suit.
SPEAKER_06 (16:18):
Which we love the remake.
We just watched it in public.
SPEAKER_01 (16:20):
But yeah, yeah, totally.
SPEAKER_06 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (16:27):
Yeah, yeah.
That that was that was uh thebiggest things that I I took
away and really liked about thefilm.
I do have like a good list ofsome other stuff you've worked
on in the past uh decade that Idefinitely would like to talk
about and get into on the topicof children's themed films and
(16:51):
child children secretheadquarters.
Oh yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (16:56):
That's that's oh my gosh, more recent, yeah.
Uh Spy Kids Meets Goonies kindof feel to it.
SPEAKER_01 (17:04):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_06 (17:04):
Yeah, and again, the kids were kids and they were so
great.
Michael Pena, Owen Wilson.
Uh, we worked with JesseWilliams every almost every
single day for months um withhis scars.
And yeah, it was it was great towork on that.
Everybody came together.
The sets were just built in afood court of a mall.
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
So that whole it's the same mall from Stranger
Things, which is actually, Ibelieve, the same mall from
Electric State, yes as well.
SPEAKER_04 (17:36):
Because they shot it, yeah, shot that in Georgia.
SPEAKER_01 (17:38):
And it's just in a it's a it's a mall that's just
there for shooting.
SPEAKER_05 (17:42):
Literally.
SPEAKER_01 (17:42):
So the whole headquarters, the whole that
whole headquarters was built inthere.
SPEAKER_06 (17:48):
Two stories, but it's not really, it's like two
stories of a mall.
SPEAKER_01 (17:51):
Okay, so it's it's built in the atrium of a mall.
SPEAKER_06 (17:54):
Yeah, it's giant.
You could walk all of this stuffall the way around, the lights
and the walls.
Yeah, I was they they did thecaves and the with the suit,
just holy smokes, everything.
SPEAKER_01 (18:06):
If I had a place to put it, and this is always that
way on a movie set like of thatnature.
If I had a place to put it, likeI would have begged for any of
the the cool computer consoleset pieces or any of that, like
just to bring back and have it,you know, lit up the monitors,
and it looks all cool.
SPEAKER_06 (18:25):
We got some stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
Nothing like that, though.
SPEAKER_06 (18:29):
But yeah, but it's no actually mostly what we have
here is I don't know if you cansee it all the way in the back
hanging on the wall.
That wood piece is from theHaunting of Hill House.
SPEAKER_00 (18:40):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (18:41):
Yeah, that's from the living room, and then and
Bob wanted that, so I contactedpeople right away because they
were we rapped and they weregonna start tearing it down the
next day.
And there was a statuary roomwhere Nell is dancing by herself
around, you know, she's doingthat as like a whole dream
(19:03):
sequence kind of thing, and it'sa statuary room, and on the wall
of the statuary room was asaying, and I asked Flanagan
about it.
I was like, What dreams maycome?
And he said, Yeah, no one saidthat, no one even recognized it.
I said, Well, it's WilliamShakespeare, and and what dreams
may come use it, you know.
(19:24):
He was blown away, so I askedfor that section.
Um so we have that section onthe wall, um, which is great.
SPEAKER_01 (19:31):
That's another kid, well, kind of a kid's show.
I mean, we had the ensemble castof kids and the haunting as
well.
SPEAKER_06 (19:39):
So in fact, there's basically the adults, and then
there's the teens, and then thekids.
We had a lot more kids actuallythan we did adults, which was
great.
They were so professional, sogreat.
It just yeah, that was that wasa really good experience as
well.
SPEAKER_00 (19:57):
Awesome, awesome.
The thing I wanted to say aboutum secret headquarters is it it
reminded me of like the 90s.
What's that 90s shows, yeah.
Oh yeah, like the 90s, like,like you know, that that's the
era I really grew up in.
(20:18):
And I remember, you know, likein really up until like the
early 2000s, like you said, spykids meet scoonies had a real
spy kids feel too.
SPEAKER_06 (20:30):
But like Spy Kids 1, 2, and 30, right here.
SPEAKER_00 (20:33):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Coincidentally, and it it justit uh you know, there's there's
something about like the thechildren's films from the 90s
and like early 2000s that aren'tthe same about like children's
films of today, right?
For the most part, like there'sa lot of subcontext, there's
(20:56):
adult themes, you know.
I mean, even the 80s, I mean,are you know the never-ending
story, you know.
SPEAKER_04 (21:02):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (21:04):
Um, but uh also back in the 80s, the kids were
smoking and swearing more in themovies.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Like stand by me, even andwhatever.
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (21:14):
The difference is because I grew up in the 80s.
Well, we didn't have phones, wedidn't have when we had TV, of
course.
We didn't have computers andphones, and we made our own
adventures.
Right, right.
We had a small copse of woodsthat somebody built some kind of
rickety shed thing.
There were guys that would go init because I found nudity
(21:36):
magazines a couple of times.
And then me and my girlfriendsand a couple of guys, we would
like it was like our club.
And we didn't have a club, butwe just stopped there every once
in a while and hang out andchat, and and it was where we
could actually talk about stuff.
It was almost a neutral place.
Right.
Um You know, you always assumethat guys want to kiss you as
girls, and guys always thinkthat girls want to be.
(22:01):
And it was so funny because inthat in that little area, we
didn't have that angst.
We didn't have any of that.
We literally were talking likehumans to human and just that
really cool bonding interaction.
I don't know that kids have thatright now.
SPEAKER_01 (22:16):
Well, I know they're stuck on their phones, but but I
mean back in those in thosefilms that you're talking about,
even Secret Headquarters hadsome of that that kind of stuff
without going too much into kidsbeing glued to their their cell
phones and stuff.
But you know, those movies had asense of the kids would get out
(22:37):
of the house and create things.
It's almost like the R gangfield.
They'd go out and build go-kartsor you know, do things in the
neighborhood and build things toas an offshoot of their
imagination.
Like like for us, like when wewere kids, we played we had a
tree house that my dad built,whatever.
That became our kind ofspaceship or submarine or
(22:58):
whatever.
There's always a hatched door inthe bottom, and that was we'd
we'd play Fantastic Voyage, youknow.
Um we'd make these like helmetswith, you know, it would be a
Quaker Oats a container on yourback for the scuba gear, you
know, is that kind of right,right?
Yeah, I I I'm with you.
I I really uh gravitate towardthose kind of movies and those
(23:20):
kind of kids.
SPEAKER_06 (23:21):
We love I mean the innocence, you know, you you've
got that in marshmallow.
You have that right sense.
I mean, you don't know you don'tknow the backstories in the
beginning, but you do see thatinnocence of different ages
interacting and trying to findtheir place at the camp.
And obviously we have Morganwho's shy, scared, and all of
(23:45):
that.
And yeah it just it definitelycaptured the dynamic of
different personalities at acamp.
And I think that was that wasreally on Andy, our writer on
his part.
I think that was a greatdescription of of those
characters and bringing themtogether.
How would they interact?
I think perfectly how he wroteit.
(24:07):
They they would interact justlike that, so yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
Definitely, definitely, and I actually have
a funny story about uh AndyPalmer.
SPEAKER_05 (24:19):
Oh, Andy Palmer, that was our editor, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Yeah, I guess it must have been shortly after we
we did it our first interview,but I had two short HP Lovecraft
scripts that I adapted that onewas made it to a
quarterfinalist, the other madeit to the finalist, which is
what got me into the thefestival.
(24:44):
But I went to Shriekfest in2018.
I didn't win, but I was I madeit as a finalist for my
adaptation of um cool TheTerrible Man and Andy's uh film
Camp Coldbrook won at thefestival.
(25:05):
Okay, so I I actually met himthere and we're friends on
Facebook, and that's just afunny, you know, it's a small
world, yeah.
Small, yeah, small world.
Totally.
SPEAKER_01 (25:18):
Yeah, six degrees of Kevin Bacon.
Yeah, exactly.
Six degrees of fish.
SPEAKER_06 (25:22):
Um we actually did a film, The Funhouse Massacre.
Hey, right Robert England has acameo in it and horror comedy at
its finest.
Andy directed that so well.
It was so great to work.
That's the first time I workedwith Andy.
I think you were did you workwith Andy before that?
SPEAKER_01 (25:39):
No, uh uh that was the first time too.
SPEAKER_06 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, he directed that.
That was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
Segwaying into that was uh with Danny, El
Purgatorio.
We had done Danny's short filmsand some commercial campaigns
for him over the years prior tothis movie getting off the
ground.
So that was like very excitingto be able to, you know.
We've done short scheduled shortfilms, which were always very
(26:05):
high in production value and andvery entertaining as shorts.
Yeah, and so we knew that youknow, if he was gonna do a
feature, it was gonna besomething we were doing.
SPEAKER_06 (26:16):
Yeah, we'd wanted to get involved with it.
So um, yeah, we actually were onanother show that shut down, and
we were only supposed to dothree days on Marshall.
And when that other show shutdown, I called the producer,
Warner.
And Warner's great.
We've worked with him sinceFunhouse Massacre as well and on
several things.
And I called and I said, Hey,lost our show.
(26:39):
We can do more than three days.
Do you have people yet?
And they said, No, we don't havepeople.
And I said, Well, we'reavailable, and they said, We
can't afford you.
So I said, No, no, no, no, no,you don't understand.
This is our opportunity to workwith Danny, and we would love to
be involved with his firstfeature, and we would have loved
to do it from the beginning, thewhole thing, but our schedule,
(27:02):
their schedule, so it workedout.
And not only do we do makeup andmakeup effects, we also did hair
department, which was incrediblychallenging for stunt wigs, but
luckily it was so great.
Just the two of us working onit.
SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
It was just like I said, we had a great time.
I mean, it was a greatatmosphere because Indie Stone
everybody worked together.
Yeah, and we were on onelocation, which was great.
We weren't moving around intrailers, different locations
every day trying to set up.
We kind of we set up our makeuproom in one of the cabins, one
of the office cabins, and andthen that became our hub for the
(27:39):
entire show.
So, and basically you're you'reworking around a summer camp, so
you're you're basically pullingwagons around to differ the
different cabins and set areas,you know, which was great
because we weren't loading carsand moving around.
SPEAKER_00 (27:53):
It was very cool.
Awesome, awesome.
I have a uh well, a couplequestions about two really one
of my one is one of my topactually new favorite Stephen
King films, Dr.
Sleep, and the other StephenKing film, Gerald's game.
(28:16):
I have a personal story aboutthat.
I had a neighbor growing up whowas handicapped, and the guy was
a martial artist, somebody thatpretty much did everything with
like their body and their hands,and he got unfortunately struck
(28:38):
by a car and was bound to awheelchair up until you know his
death in the late 90s, and hewas really big in the movies,
and I remember seeing a lot offilms with him and my dad, and
he had this this the novel ofGerald's game that he gave to
(29:03):
me, and I still have like theoriginal hardback copy of it.
I was always like just by thecover of it, too like freaked
out, you know, especially youknow, back in the 90s when
you're like a little kid, and Ihad just come off seeing the the
first uh Pet Cemetery on TV thatmessed me up.
(29:26):
I was like really intimidated tolike read the book, and I
finally did, and I'm reallyhappy that there was a film
adaptation, especially with thatfilm and also with uh Dr.
Sleep.
You know, I love Stephen King.
And you know, I can't confirmthis for sure, but I would when
(29:49):
I was at his funeral, I couldhave sworn Stephen King was
there.
SPEAKER_05 (29:54):
No kidding.
SPEAKER_00 (29:55):
You know, he was one of those people that was big
when like you know, the internetfirst came out, and you know,
being bound to a wheelchair andyou know, having access to the
internet, you know, it's it'samazing who you can meet in chat
rooms and stuff.
SPEAKER_06 (30:12):
I have a personal connection with Gerald's game as
well, because I started out Ithink the first one was King.
SPEAKER_04 (30:18):
Excuse me.
SPEAKER_06 (30:19):
And I believe I was only like 13 or 14.
And my mom didn't haverestrictions on what I read
because once I started readingat like 11 and read my full
first whole book, which wasCharlotte's Webb, I moved on to
Agatha Christie and StephenKing.
(30:39):
And Carrie was my first book Iread.
And I remember giggling andsaying to mom, dirty pillows,
you know, and and then she readthe book, and then we had
conversations.
So it opened up thatconversation with my mom about
mature things and and all ofthat.
So we were always very closereading, but Gerald's game.
(31:01):
I started reading the firstcouple of chapters, and I said,
I I love Stephen King, I can'tdo it, I can't do it.
So I never read it.
Then I started working for Boband he said, Hey, we got a new
script, and he throws a copy onmy desk, and I went, Oh, hell
no.
And then I read it, and Mike'sadaptation was just holy smokes,
(31:25):
so smart, so yeah, just right.
SPEAKER_01 (31:29):
It was very smart, you know, ditching some of the
other elements that were in thebook, consolidating characters
to make it really about the twoof them, the three of them with
the moonlight man, but right,and then eliminating all the
other weird stuff that is goingon in her mind.
SPEAKER_06 (31:46):
Yeah, but this was very oh my gosh.
No, we loved actually that wasanother one.
We loved working on that.
SPEAKER_00 (31:52):
So big family.
The the reason both of thosefilms are some of my newer, like
more favorite horror films, butespecially King films, is
because you know, it justeverything is like for the most
part either a reboot or aremake.
And I mean, in my opinion, and Imay get a lot of hate for this,
(32:16):
but every remake that they havedone so far is not as good as
the the original, you know.
I mean, it it was part one andpart two was okay, but I didn't
like how they made Pennywiselike basically Freddie Kruger,
(32:37):
which he's not supposed to be.
SPEAKER_03 (32:39):
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
Tim Curry was I mean, I I I have like a
recurring like clown nightmarethat's like a mixture of like
Tim Curry's It and Killer Clownsfrom Outer Space.
Um it varies like in you knowthat when the dream happens,
like sometimes I'm in the theyou know, circus spaceship,
(33:02):
sometimes it's you know TimCurry haunting my dreams as
Pennywise, but you know boththose films were like especially
the the Tim Curry ed andeverybody that was in that, and
just even though it was like amini-series, like it's still way
scarier than you know the remakethey did.
(33:24):
Pet Cemetery, you know, I saw itin theaters, it was alright, but
like, you know, I made itthrough to the end with like not
being disturbed, you know, andto this day, I still can't like
make it through the original PetCemetery.
Pet Cemetery 2, fine, you know,no problem.
(33:46):
One of my favorite, you know,90s horror films, especially
with Elward Furlong, it was bigback then.
Brain Scan, another one.
SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
I think there's a big deal, like most of those
movies are still scarier to methan the new remakes, and it's
because the age I was when I sawthem in the era which I saw
them.
SPEAKER_05 (34:09):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (34:09):
And today I'm so like, there's nothing new or
magical half the time becauseyou know they can do almost
anything with a movie anymore.
So, like visually, so you'relike, it's not surprising.
Whereas when I was a kid, allthose movies surprised me, you
know.
You know, spent like PetCemetery 2, because I had the
(34:30):
little kid, Cage, who was, youknow, right freaked everybody
out, you know, because it's likefirst time I saw a little kid
with a knife and yeah, he's deadand whatever.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (34:44):
I think it was also in that yeah, we did a night by
the desensitized, but kind of.
And and sometimes I have toexplain, and and because we are,
I mean, we've been around for awhile, we've seen a lot of
movies, but if you cut togetting kids' reactions, like
(35:04):
16, 17, even 14-year-olds, tosome of the new newer stuff,
they're like blown away.
So it's you have to have thatperspective.
But unfortunately, that's asmall percentage of people who
are watching the movies andpaying for them and going to the
theater because they can drive.
So I think filmmakers need to beaware of that, that you
(35:28):
literally have to take inconsideration the bulk of us.
SPEAKER_01 (35:31):
Definitely a difference between watching it
at home and watching it attheater.
That too.
I watch it because a lot oftimes I'll skip a movie in the
theater.
It's not like you know,something that might not be, you
know, top my radar.
But I was like, Right, you know,I want to see that, and then
I'll wait to watch it on TV.
But the fact that you can pauseit, go to the bathroom, you get
it, get it, whatever.
(35:52):
You you can do these breaks, oreven like we go, oh, we're
sleeping now, we're gonna watchit next half tomorrow.
Yeah, that break breaks themomentum and the buildup and
everything.
Yeah so it affects you totallydifferently.
And everybody now is watching ontheir phone and iPads, yeah,
yeah.
Doing the same thing.
SPEAKER_06 (36:11):
So yeah, we we have not we have not, how do I want
to say, compromised so much thatwe watch anything on anything
smaller than a TV, we don'twatch on a laptop either.
We I I've watched a couple ofthings, and it's weird because
it just episodic, we can do thatwith, it just doesn't have the
(36:33):
same impact.
SPEAKER_00 (36:34):
I I completely agree.
SPEAKER_06 (36:35):
I mean, I saw Independence Day at the theater,
and two things about that.
I didn't know what it was about.
I'm not if I start watching atrailer and I like it in the
first like two seconds, shemakes me shut it off.
Yeah, I do this, or I tell him,don't show me.
So it went to Independence Day,not knowing, but Independence
(36:56):
Day in the theater is a wholenother ball game.
SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (37:01):
It is the impact of that is incredible.
Everything is big, everythinglike explosions, this and that.
But you really get immersed in amovie more when you're at a
theater.
I mean, we're big proponents intrying to keep theaters going
because they are having a bigproblem.
So resurgence, let's keep goingto the theater.
SPEAKER_01 (37:21):
I mean, it's it's it's that means the communal
thing, like communal at home,and yeah, you know, why is it
two of us which we kind of agreeon everything?
I mean, we don't we don't jumpand then laugh at everybody in
the theaters, like yeah,laughing at themselves and
jumping.
Rarely do I jump watching it ontelevision.
SPEAKER_06 (37:42):
I just want to say one thing.
We worked on haunting abellhouse.
We know there's a big jump scarein there.
We watched it happen, and hejumps every single time we
watched that episode.
SPEAKER_01 (37:54):
Yeah, that's a little that is one show I
watched on television, but thatthat show, yeah, all every
element of that show wasengaging and creepy, and it hit
all the buttons perfectly.
And I that was a rarity when I'mwatching television.
SPEAKER_06 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah.
But um, yeah, anyway.
SPEAKER_00 (38:12):
Well, the the thing I wanted to say that was
actually that brought me to thetheater, but at the same time, I
only feel like I got the thebest benefit out of it when I
bought it on Blu-ray and andwatched it in its entirety,
which was Doctor's Sleep.
SPEAKER_01 (38:34):
Yeah, what the the director's cut, yes, yeah.
That's yeah, so much betterbecause it yeah, it has that
little bit more of characterdevelopment with the little girl
and stuff.
Yeah, yes, makes it work.
SPEAKER_05 (38:44):
It's just yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (38:46):
It's it's yeah, that's I could I could tell in
the theatrical cut a lot musthave been cut from from this
movie because some of some ofthe stuff was just a little
quick and how it happens.
And then when first of all, whenwhen I when I heard there was a
director's cut, I was like, yes.
Yes, like for the first timelike in I don't know how many
(39:11):
years have I been excited to seelike an actual director's cut of
a film, and and this is like arare experience because this is
like a brand new movie, like youknow, when it was released on on
Blu-ray, you know, how many, youknow, a couple years ago now.
But I you know, like the theshine, the original shining is
(39:33):
another one of those movies thatlike mess with me as a kid.
It's it's in here, yes.
And if it wasn't for the scorefor that movie, it wouldn't it
wouldn't be as scary as as itwas.
And I have to say somethingabout the master late filmmaker
Stanley Kubrick.
(39:53):
Every one of his films had uhlike just a masterful score:
Clockwork Orange, Full MetalJacket, The Shining, you know.
SPEAKER_06 (40:04):
Yeah, and the Shining, it's another character,
exactly is the equivalent ofanother character bringing you
into that space and and reallyputting you in the mood and
getting your head straight init.
Yeah, yeah.
That's well, it's it's prettyepic too.
SPEAKER_00 (40:22):
Yes, yes, and and I like with the directors cut how
they cut it into chapters, youknow, like it like it's like a
book, you know.
Yeah, and and and the yearswhere I'm also gonna get a lot
of probably slack, but I I youknow I get where Stephen King
was coming from with wanting todo it from his miniseries,
(40:44):
because you know, as much as Ilove Jack Nicholson, the late
Shelly Duball, and you know, thethe original Kubrick film, I do
like the mini-series more.
I think the Kubrick film is amasterpiece in terms of like a
movie version, but I I thoughtthe mini-series flushed out, you
(41:09):
know, more like it like of it'sthe fact that it was you know
four parts, they had a littlemore time to that the the
McGarras series, right?
SPEAKER_01 (41:20):
Yes, yes, yeah, because that's the only one I
think they did so far.
Yeah, yeah.
No, there was that.
Did you did you read the bookfor Dr.
Sleep?
Uh I did.
Okay.
So you know that the overlookwasn't in the book.
Right.
SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (41:36):
That Mike talked Steve.
Right, exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
That's actually why I I brought that up, because the
the mini-series is, you know, ofof the the original Shining is a
little more closer to the book.
And I know that the storyapparently was that King wanted
to like, you know, base it offthe the mini-series or some
(42:01):
something along those lines.
SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
And I know that Mike talked them into so he he
pitched him one scene, and asfar as I recollect.
Yeah.
Pinched him one scene, and itwas a scene where the Jack
Nicholson character is nowbartending at the at the
overlook.
SPEAKER_00 (42:23):
And and young McGregor Danny is talking to his
own father, who's not doesn'tquite realize he's that's right.
SPEAKER_01 (42:32):
That's yeah, right, right.
And they have that conversationat the bar, and Steven was so
hooked on that idea that hesaid, okay, put the overlook
back in.
SPEAKER_06 (42:40):
So a really fun story is because again, we
worked on Dr.
Sleep together and got to knowthe characters and and the
actors.
Robert Longstreet had a birthdayduring the filming of Dr.
Sleep.
And so a bunch of the actorswere getting together.
And because Robert and Bob havekind of a bromance thing,
(43:02):
they're adorable.
Uh Robert's amazing.
And they invited us to come tothe birthday party.
And it happens to be at arestaurant in Atlanta that we
adore, and we also knew duringthe filming of Haunting of Hill
House, Henry Thomas loved aswell.
Long story short, we're gettinginto the party, we're having
fun, we have dinner and drinks,and just it was such a great
(43:25):
time.
And in walks this bald man asHenry Thomas, and we all lost it
and started screaming.
SPEAKER_01 (43:35):
Because we didn't know what part he was playing.
SPEAKER_06 (43:37):
We knew he was coming, and we weren't sure that
that's what it was, but heshaved his head so they could
put a hair piece on.
There's a part where he'sdragging the axe, and I bloodied
his head, and and we got theblood on the axe right and all
that kind of stuff.
But yeah, it was that was ashock, and that was such a great
time.
I have some selfies with him,and we've got pictures.
(44:00):
Of the guys with them bald,which is which is crazy.
I don't think I've ever shownany of those pictures.
And of course, Henry being aprofessional, he's like, you
know, you don't post those.
And I'm like, just not even athing, you know.
Um, no, that was really great.
But honestly, again, a MikeFlanagan production, that room,
(44:21):
that bar room, we were in theoverlook lobby.
They built all of that.
It was fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (44:30):
It was pretty spectacular.
Yeah, it was everything down tothe detail, recreational.
SPEAKER_06 (44:36):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (44:37):
Even the bar room, the gold room.
Yeah.
Um, and as they were building,we go in every few weeks and
onto the stage to take a peek.
And every week it was like, ohmy God, there's more stuff.
SPEAKER_04 (44:48):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:49):
Oh, there's paint now on it.
Yeah.
I I just looked throughsomething the other day and I
was standing in the fireplace.
SPEAKER_05 (44:54):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (44:55):
And I had a picture of me standing in the fireplace.
And I was like, wow, it was 20pounds lighter than it.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_06 (45:03):
No, that's true.
The one of a really cool momentswas driving on the lot one day,
and they had the carpet rolledout in a parking lot.
SPEAKER_03 (45:12):
Oh, full length.
SPEAKER_06 (45:14):
All of the carpet.
And we were freaking out.
Just there it is.
There's the carpet.
There's there's oh my gosh.
It just, yeah, all of it.
It just during the filming AlexEsso doing uh Shelly went or
Shelly Duval.
Shelly Duval's part with thedoor.
SPEAKER_00 (45:35):
Right.
SPEAKER_06 (45:36):
There were it wasn't a huge amount of us because I
think it was kind of like asecond team kind of thing that
we're filming it, but all of usthat were standing there holding
on to each other's arms, holdinghands, just gripping, going,
she's nailing it.
It just was he's knocking thehole through the he's not in the
(45:57):
weeks, we were all like holysmokes.
We're watching this happen, andshe killed it.
Like she just did such a goodjob.
SPEAKER_02 (46:07):
And then, of course, we all since the tape was done,
we were all getting our picturestaken our own.
SPEAKER_06 (46:15):
So stunt coordinator is like, all right, you guys,
get your heads out of the jaggeddoor.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Everybody out there, go check out Marshmallow.
Uh, it's it's a great film, alot of fun, and uh, I think uh
the fans will enjoy it.
So it was a pleasure to work on,and it was great.
Thanks for having us.
SPEAKER_06 (46:36):
Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_00 (46:37):
Thank you for taking this time to swim in the bowl
with me.
SPEAKER_05 (46:42):
All right, I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (46:45):
Last two questions.
What are some of your favoritefilms in general?
Doesn't have to be horror.
Uh then I know we havemarshmallow coming out and
creature feature weekend thiscoming weekend.
Any other projects to promote aswell?
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, well, sure.
SPEAKER_01 (47:04):
Let's do the favorite films first for me.
I mean, there's several.
I'm gonna put them up there forexperiences.
I got four actually of like myfavorite experiences in a movie,
theater, and uh of coursethere's Jaws.
The other one would be Aliens,the second Aliens film, Raiders
of the Lost Ark, and The Thing,John Carpenter's the Thing.
(47:29):
Those are the like the four orfive my favorite like movies.
SPEAKER_06 (47:34):
Raiders, yeah, The Thing, The Exorcist.
Those those are my top three.
And like those, those are whatcome to mind in like a
heartbeat.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:44):
And uh was oh, stuff we have coming out.
We have uh well, we have a moviecalled the Johnny Ryan movie
that we don't say anything moreabout it yet.
SPEAKER_04 (47:54):
Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01 (47:54):
Uh we have a we did a film called Goons last year
that should be coming out thisyear as well.
So there we go.
We got three movies coming outthis year, probably.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (48:04):
So awesome, awesome.
Robert Marcy, thank you so muchfor taking the time to swim in
the bowl with me.
I hope the temperature was justright.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_06 (48:17):
Thank you so much.
Good to talk to you.
SPEAKER_00 (48:19):
We'll see you around soon.
Definitely take care.
Bye.
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