March 13, 2026 • 42 mins
In this reboot episode, host Brent Wheat and co-host Roy Huntington dive deep into the fascinating world of timeless firearms. We discuss classic gun designs that have not only stood the test of time but are still highly relevant and widely used today. From iconic revolvers to legendary shotguns, these are the firearms that have successfully bridged the gap between historical heritage and modern utility.
We explore what makes certain weapons—like the 1911, the Glock 17, and the Winchester 94—absolute must-haves for any enthusiast. Whether it is the unmatched reliability of the Mauser 98 bolt-action, the rugged simplicity of the AK-47, or the customizable perfection of the Ruger 10/22, we break down why these firearms refuse to fade into obscurity. Plus, Roy shares some hilarious and eye-opening stories from his days in law enforcement regarding the famous Remington 870 duty shotgun!
Key Takeaways
· Classic firearm designs endure because of their unmatched reliability, simplicity, and proven track records.
· The Colt 1911 and Glock 17 represent two completely different eras of handgun history, yet both remain top choices for modern defense.
· Smith & Wesson and Colt double-action revolvers continue to have a massive following due to their rich heritage and law enforcement legacy.
· The Mauser 98 is the undisputed forefather of modern bolt-action hunting rifles.
· The Winchester Model 94 lever-action is an American icon that still makes for an excellent truck gun or home defense option.
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Brant Wheat,and I'm coming to you on a windy Friday
the 13th from here in the heartlandand fitting of Friday the 13th.
We had a podcast episodethat I really liked and it was in
the can and done and ready to goand the gremlins got Ahold of it
and shoved itright down to the garbage disposal.
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So we're going to do a quick reboot.
So you got something to watch orlisten to?
This week it's episode 302,a reboot of Timeless Guns.
It's a great oneand it's full of nostalgia.
So even if you saw it before, check it outand we'll be back with something
new next week.
So hope you had a good Friday the 13th.
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We'll see you next week on GunsPodcast us.
You hold the ColtSingle action up anywhere in the world,
you know, and a tribesman in New Guineais going to say cowboy.
Yeah. Cowboy gun. Yeah.
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And today
we're going to talk about,I think, pretty interesting topic.
We're going to talk about timelessfirearms that are still in use and,
you know, when we we stopand think about the old guns, you're
thinking, well, that's nice.
I saw one at the gun shop,but there's there's
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still a lot of themthat maybe you hadn't considered
that, are still a good choiceno matter what you're doing.
So make sure you like and subscribe.
That's how we, justify our existence.
And today, my guest is Rory Huntington.
I know that's a big shock.
He's our unofficial co-host. Welcome, Roy.
I feel welcome.
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All right.
Well, good.I'll send some pastries over, but,
Well, like I said, today's topic,timeless firearms.
And I got a whole list of them, and,you know, really, that's almost
the unofficial theme here at, gunsmagazine presents the Guns podcast.
Or, as I like to call it, FUD land,
as we've accusedbeen accused of being or the FUD kingdom.
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But, there are still a lot of, old gunsthat are still a good choice.
No matter what you're doing.So we're going to run down a list.
But before we get to the specifics,any thoughts on on.
I got to be careful here.
Old guns that are still relevant
and useful today and try to keep it under,like, 2 or 3 hours.
Right.
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Well, I'm sure we'll get into it.
But I know, and maybe this is
another show of the gunsthat tried and failed, you know,
I mean, I thinkespecially as being in the industry,
you see these huge roll outsand then cue the crickets, you know?
But meanwhile,the Glocks are still around,
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Colts are still around, Smith and Wessonrevolvers are still around, you know,
the Remington's,
you know, these iconic firearmsand firearm designs remain,
and I think we both know why,because sometimes change
just for the sake of change, doesn't work.
You know, it's like if you have somethingthat works perfectly fine,
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and then you change it for no reasonwhatsoever.
Yep. Now people are offended becausethey just bought the old one, you know?
Are you saying that there isn't any goodhere?
You know, so, so yeah, they a lot of them
have come and go, but,there's a lot who are that are still here.
They're still here for reasons.
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Exactly.
And, and I did write downsome of those reasons.
And I kind of wanted to go through that,reliability and simplicity.
Things were, were maybe, bulkier, heavier,
but they werethey worked because they were simple.
And, you know, sometimes
we've all had, guns or accessoriesthat were maybe a little overengineered
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and fragile and complex, and, you know,the old stuff tended not to be that way.
It it had to work because they,they couldn't,
get tolerances downto, you know, half of a whisker.
And, so it had to be a little more,
bigger, robust, less, close tolerances.
So the reliability can be there.
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Provided the,the firearm, you know, was taken care of.
And they tend to be simpler in general.
Familiarity.
That was a, a thought. That.
We kind of take it for granted.
But if you throw an 870 into my hands,I don't care
what vintage,maybe even what accessories you put on it.
But I can run that thingpretty well because,
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as I've said before, back in my daysas a baby cop at the,
the police academy,we had to push on the earth.
If we couldn't field stripthat thing and and clear jams,
you know, blindfolded in the darkkind of thing.
So, if somebody has been carryinga lever action,
you know, for 40 or 50 years,they're probably pretty good at it.
So that knowledge does carry overnot just to that individual,
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but to the group as a whole.
So, looking at a couple ofthe other ideas, and then the tradition,
you know, as we say, guns should be fun.
They're one letter from fun.
So if the tradition makes you feel warmand fuzzy
about that firearm and it doesn't have to,that may not be a criteria for you.
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But I'm here to tell you,as you get older and more experienced,
the the tradition behind it, the storybehind the gun, who carried the gun,
who maybe carried that particular gun,those things really do matter.
So anything on this that Roy.
No. I mean, I think you're right.
One of the primary reasons
why classic designs remain isbecause people feel good about it.
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And feeling good about it isa significant reason why people own guns.
I mean, notall of us have to have a gun, you know?
And so we do it because we like itand because we enjoy it.
So why would I own somethingthat I don't like and enjoy?
You know,
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I mean, I have,I have working guns, you know,
I have a rusty $75 Marlin, 22 rifle.
I keep in my easy go, right?
Yeah, I it's just a tool.
It's a it's a nail. Right.
I know if,if I, if I dropped it in the pond I'd go
oh I guess I better goget another one, you know.
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Right.
But then I have guns that do have
that sense of attachment and,it's like when I pick one up,
it starts a continuous loop videoin my mind of memories and feelings and,
you know, and likes and,you know, all that kind of stuff.
And I think most of these iconic designsthat we're talking about,
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is doesthat, you know, I mean, to this day,
if I pick up a guy, world
War 219 1145, you know, a park arise.
Genuine World War Two veteran gun.
And I load it with hard balland rack the slide
and snick the safety onand put it on my desk. Here
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I feel pretty good,
you know, it's like,
this is going to protect me.
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah, because it's protected us for 115years, I think, give or take a little bit.
So. Exactly.
And, you know, that was actually goingto be the first one on the list.
But we don't necessarily haveto talk about it because it's pretty clear
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the 1911 is still relevant todayto a lot of us.
I've got one sitting right over hereon my desk, and I carry it a lot.
It's an officer's model.
But, yeah, the 1911 is probably theperfect example of what I'm talking about.
A gun that, by all rights, probablyshould have been buried in the past,
but it's still being manufacturedby countless manufacturers.
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A lot of people still choose it as their,carry or use weapon of choice.
Oh, I said weapon. That's bad.
But it's a good gun, and it still workstoday.
And I don't know of anybodythat picks up a 45 and says, well,
I'm under gun,but I'm going to carry it anyway.
So it's a good gun,but I've actually got one.
I'm going to shock you here, Roy.
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Okay. You ready for this?
Are you sitting down?
I know, are I'm going to say the Glock 17.
And when you stop and think about it, 40
some years ago,that thing, really got popularized.
And as we've talked countless times, I'm
not a huge fan of polymer guns and plasticguns, black plastic tactical.
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But I own a lot of them.
And I, I freely admit,and I wanted to start this list
with that's an oldie, that's a classic,and you can buy them virtually any place.
You can find
some really old and beat up onesbecause they've been around that long,
but they're obviously a well designed,
well thought out, gunthat, still works today.
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And you never see peoplego, wow, it's just a Glock.
You know,
they work and I think they're goingto be around another 100 plus years.
So I don't want to beat that point toomuch.
But, I also wanted to point outthat even though we are,
royalty in the food kingdom,
we recognize that,you know, things like Glocks
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that have been aroundstood the test of time.
They're timeless classics.
So anything you want to add to that?
Well, you know,even if you're a Dodge fan,
you have to acknowledgethe fact that a Ford F-150,
is in the same category.
You know, you may not like them.
You would never own one,but they're iconic,
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you know, and they have a legacy.
A, you know, personally,
I look at a Glock as I look at a tenmillimeter Harbor freight,
wrench, you know, I mean, I
miss nothing really special about it,but it certainly does the job.
Yeah.
I mean,if if I don't have the same feeling
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if I load a Glock and put it on my deskhere, as I do
when I take that old Colt and load itand put it on the desk, you know, just.
And I don't know if it'sbecause I have more of an affiliation
or because of the historical significance
of the 1911 or a pre-war.
Smith and Wesson had ejector revolveror something like that single action Colt.
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But but you're right.
I mean, it is, you know, iconic.
I mean, I think in the manner that
70s, late 60s and 70s muscle cars are,
you know, I mean, other than theGlock may be more practical,
you know.
Well. I tell you.
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Well, you know what blows my mindwhen I was putting this list together
is there are people that are listeningor watching, us right now
who are of that age that they grew upwith, that truly.
That's that's what they think of when whenthey were a kid and dad was showing him
the guns or taking him out to teach himhow to shoot.
Probably used a Glock, you know, 17 or 19.
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And it's it'shard for me to wrap my head around that
because I was already shooting a lot,
when we really started carrying semi-auto
and, it it's, it's eye
opening to me to think of the folks thatand they're not young at this point,
that grew up and and look at those
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as, you know, a with fond nostalgia.
So I wanted to add those.
Yes, we are the kingsof the Fudd world, but,
we recognize what what is a timelessclassic and Glock certainly is.
But I want to go ahead.
I just want to say if
if you are one of those people,please put it in the comments.
Because what I'm curious to knowis, do you have that
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same sense of attachment and fondness?
In other words,I mean, I understand if you have inherited
your father's first Glock 17, I mean,I would assume you would hold that it
it is with a certain level of esteem,I think, you know, but I'm not sure. And,
you know, if you inherited your father's1911 that he carried in World War two
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or you inherited your
dad's, your dad's Glockthat he carried as a policeman somewhere.
Do doesthat have the same significance to you?
Yeah.
And if it does, educate us.
So. Yeah, exactly.
But now now I'm going to get royal,as I like to say, hot and frothy.
And we may have to throw some coldwater on him at some point.
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But the next, gun on the list is,
I think we canall agree is Smith and Wesson keyframes.
The basic design's been aroundsince the late 1800s,
and they're still going strong today.
They've been through their ups and downs.
But, Roy,wax poetic about Smith and Wesson.
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Double actions. Boy, you know, it's.
You're right, though.
I mean, theythey wrote the book literally, on that.
You know, what I find is that there arethere are two kinds of shooters families.
There are householdsthat grew up with cults
and and then the rest of their lives,
all the kids, grandkids, everybody.
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They're cult shooters.
You know, they don't know anythingabout Smith and Wesson revolvers.
They don't even look at them in the gunstores. You know.
And the same thing applies thoughsome of the lessons
I grew up in a Smith Wesson house,you know.
So my first Smith and Wesson revolver
was a six inch pre-war model ten,you know, a hand ejector.
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And it's and followed by hundredsand hundreds ever since then.
So I think either of those
would certainly qualifydeep, deep, deep into this category.
You know, and I thinkfor a lot of reasons, I exposure to them,
you know, who here is carryingSmith and Wesson revolvers as policemen,
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grandfathers, great
grandfathers, you know, the military.
I mean, the list is just endless.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's like seeing
a picture of a model-t Fordand a modern Ford.
I mean, it's the same thing, you know?
So we have them from the beginningall the way till now. Yep.
And you already touched on the next itemon the list, which is, is Colt,
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double action revolvers, the, detectivespecial, the Python.
Yeah, those are little newerdesigns, per se, but obviously
Colt has been going since the 1870s, but,Colt firearms are still there.
And when you were saying that, Roy, youknow, families are either Chevy or Ford,
Smith and Wesson or Colt,and you'll get this.
You're either a canon or a Nikon shooter,and never the twain shall meet.
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It's exactly the same.
Yeah, it's exactly the same.
Oh. Go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to move on.
But if you've got, words of wisdom, pleasecontinue.
Well, you know, Colt was fortunatebecause, of course, they had their iconic
black powder guns,you know, the 1851 Navy and the 1860s.
And those guns,the Walker Cole, of course.
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And then once the cartridge guns came out,
they had the most iconic Colt ever,the Colt single action.
You hold a Colt single action upanywhere in the world,
you know, and a tribesman in New Guineais going to say cowboy.
Yeah. Cowboy gun. Yeah.
And, Colt 1911.
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Same thing.
So yeah.
So yeah, they have their big jujuwhen it comes to all that.
And, you know, with Smith and Wesson,I think the model 29, dirty Harry gun
is, is that I mean, Smith and Wessonwas on the radar, of course.
But I think when that movie came outand the model 29 was the star,
suddenly Smith
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and Wesson got a focus of attentionthat it never had before.
Agreed.
And I don't and it hasn't lost it since.
Yep, yep.
Well, we'regoing to move away from the handguns.
There are there certainly.
And and let us know in the comments.
Or you can hit me at editor at gunspodcast. Us.
I'd be interestedin hearing what you think.
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Certain handguns fall into this category.
The next thing on the list.
I'm not going to beat this to a point,and I'm not even going
to throw it to you, Roy,unless you have something strong to say.
But the AR 15, the M16,
it's it's pushing 60 years,and it certainly is America's rifle.
And ad nauseum, we have said we like them,
we shoot them, but theythey don't give us warm and fuzzies.
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But I do have to agree.
It's it's a timeless American classic.
And, the militaryis kind of moving on from it,
but it's going to be around for a long,long, long time.
So, Colt, there are 15 fans, M16 fans.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, we got it. Good.
Good on you.
The next one, though,is, comrade, is the AK 47.
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It's been around a long time sincejust after World War two.
And I gotta admit,I am not an AK fan at all.
I know, Jeremy Clough,one of our longtime writers
is, dialing the phone as I, as I speak
to tell me how wrong I ambecause he is a huge fan of the AK.
But, there's no denyingthat it's a classic.
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And there's probably I.
I've seen various numbers.
There's a lot of,
Ars in the United States, butthere's a whole heck of a lot more acres
across the world.
So that that family of designsis, absolutely timeless.
And I got to admit, as as Jeremy Cloughwill attest, it's still a,
a good gun of choice for certain things,especially for self-defense.
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So wewe never really talk about the AK here.
Though, you know, and Iif for me personally, part of it is that,
oh, it's a evil gun, you know, becausethe communists did it and everything.
And you,
you always see the people in Africawho are killing each other, holding
taped up, you know. Yeah. Painted a case.
And so it kind ofhas a bad reputation, but,
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I think a good quality AK, you know, onethat's
made in Europe as opposed to China,for instance, and stuff like that.
I've shot them.
The Vo had a basically a copy and,you're high quality.
They're good guns.
They shoot well, I've shota lot of full auto is very interesting.
You know, with that cartridgeyou can kind of
write your name with it almost,you know, little short bursts.
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I can see it.
It's abut to me, though, it's still a tool.
And, and so I don't look at an AK and say,
you know, and wax poetic apologiesto Jeremy.
Yeah, but but it Iit is an effective tool.
And, you know,the only thing is I have done accuracy
testing with him, and, you know, theI can't remember the details,
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but I'm sure someone will correctthis, but, initially,
you you're, like, six inches at 100yards was well within what an AK was.
Could do. You know what that was?
But probably in the real world,that's perfectly acceptable, you know.
I mean, what more do you need than that?
And, so, yeah.
So I can say this, thoughI've never owned one.
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Yeah.
I've only had one briefly.
And, you know, for me,
the only thing I really appreciateabout the AK
is the, the, the simplistic design,
that that they made work.
I mean, it was really designedto be mass produced and as we joke.
But it's kind of true,
you know, they're making themin caves in Afghanistan to this day.
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And, there's a certain,
it gets a couple of style pointsfor that simplicity,
for serving the purpose,which I agree with you, Roy,
in most cases is evil, but,
it's still a gotta give it props.
It's still a viable gun.
And, Jeremy, I'm sorry, but, we at least
got to mention it in because there'san awful lot of them out there.
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It's.
Well, you know, it.
It's such a Russian gun, you know?
I mean, you look at it.
Reminds me of a T-34 tank, right?
You know, I mean, that they're justthey're not Polish.
They're.
I mean, they just literallythey're a brick.
They live like a SJS, right?
Yeah. I did own a,
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That was a Russian S-Class.
It was actually really well made.
It was, you know, nicely made gun.
But again, it was just it was a wrench,
you know, and,you know, with the terrible wood.
And it was just made to do a job,you know, kind of like
Russian handguns are that way, too.
So, Tokarev pistols, for instance.
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Yeah. Their whole own category, kind of.
And I know there were collectorsand people were passionate about it,
and I'm sure we'll hear about it.
We're idiots because we don't understand.
We do understand,but we just don't have that gene.
Okay.
So and this next one kind is inthe same category as a military gun, but,
it is basically the the Big Daddy, theoriginal gangster of bolt action rifles.
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And that's the the Mauser 98and that series, its immediate
predecessors and,everything that's descended from that,
it's still consideredespecially, I know, a dangerous game.
You know,
folksreally like the design, controlled feed.
They were doing it right.
And I think it helped that thethe Germans were the originators
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and they had a great traditionor still have a great tradition
of building quality equipment.
If the Russians had designed the 98,
it probably would have been popularbecause it probably wouldn't work. But.
I mean, let's, let's call it what it is,the Germans know how to build stuff.
And, but even todayand there was an incident recently,
I think we all know that, apparently,apparently, a 98 action was used.
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So they're very clearly still a relevantfirearm today.
Well, if it wasn't for that, thereprobably would not be bolt
action hunting rifles of any kind, period.
I mean, you know,there were some early the, the,
you know, Bedford, the Leon Fields,there were some other,
you know,but really most of those came from the,
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the interest and ideas that were generatedby the very earliest bolt action Mauser.
You know, just when the first timeone of those opened up the bolt
and fed from,whatever kind of magazine everyone else,
excuse me, took notice, you know,
and continue to do so today.
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So. No, you're right.
It I don't think it gets any more iconicthan that.
Yeah.
And okay, when when you talk about iconand we've said before,
we try to avoid thatbecause everything's iconic nowadays
and very few things actually are.
But this one, this is an icon.
Like you said, Roy, you show the tribesmena, single action army
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and they'll say, oh, cowboy gun.
You show him this gun and it's theI've got the Winchester 94 on the list.
But really, that representsWinchester rifles in general.
The 94 was, the most, commerciallysuccessful, still produced today.
We're actually in the middle of a levergun resurgence.
Marlin certainly makes good stuff,but it's it's the model
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94 that really kind of typifiesthat entire,
let me use a big word aunt archetype, and,you know what more we've talked about?
Lever and lever, guns and lever love.
I don't know what more I can really sayother than they're still making them.
They're still popular.
I've owned a bunch. I've shot a bunch.
That was the first high powered rifleI ever shot.
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So, they.
I don't think anybody would argue, thepoint of including it in our list today.
No. And I, for me,a lot of it is the heritage.
I mean,because when I pick up a barrel of 94,
I'm, I go back 100 years, you know,
and so you it's like you can feelthat legacy in the history
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and the gunwhen your hand closes around the receiver.
I don't know.
It's, cold.
Had an ad a million years ago, and it was.
It was a cowboy.
And he was sitting around a campfire,and he was holding a single action.
Right. And it was real simple.
I don't remember it exactly,but it said a snap of a twig,
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the darkness outside of the firing colt,and then confidence.
Yeah, right.
And a 94 does that for me.
I mean, those are the I have two of themhere that I built cut down guns.
And I mean, if there is a noise outsideright now I'm three steps away from one.
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Yeah.
And that's the one I would pickup, you know.
So. Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey. Sidebar here.
Roy, I we've been talking about thisfor a couple of months,
but we got to come out sometime soon.
You know what? My truck gun.
I've said it's an old, 1970s model94 that I bought.
Real? Right.
I think it's got a 20 inch.
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Maybe.
Let's cut that sucker downto about 16.5. And.
Yeah, I know,some people say it's bastardized
and making tactical,but that's my truck gun because it doesn't
scare people as badlyas pulling out an AR platform.
The 3030 cartridgeis certainly nothing to sneeze at.
And, I just I have a lot of faithand confidence in it, but, yeah,
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if that barrel was a little bit shorter,we might be able to do something.
So we could do that.
We'll make a videoand then, embarrass ourselves, you know?
So I think it's a good idea,but no, I it is.
And I'll use the iconic word again. Yeah.
But it is it can I say one more thing?Yeah.
Even people who don't really like them,
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it's still like, yeah, that kind of go.
Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Well.
You know, my first experience shootinga high powered rifle when a friend's
dad said, you want to shoot this,and I'm like, oh, I can shoot that.
And I was, I don't know, I was 8or 10 at the time and it scared me.
But I had to do it because that's,you know, that's what John Wayne carries.
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And yeah, even even non shooters,the I'm scared of guns.
You want to shoot this? Yeah.
It's it's it has that kind of effect.
Now this next gunhas this kind of effect on you Roy.
And it it is certainly iconic also.
And it's, it's unleash the Ruger 1022.
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I think you were the one that said
everybody needs to own a 1022or multiple ten, 20 Dos.
I think everybody does that with,you know.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember when there were $65brand new, amazing.
I know it was just like itcompeted with the Marlin Model 60.
Yeah.
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Which arguably should probably beon our list.
Talk about you know, that's a good one.I never thought about that. Yeah.
I mean, there's there's still millionsof them resting slowly,
rusting away,you know, behind kitchen doors.
Yeah, yeah.
And stuff like that.
But, but yeah,I think a ten, 22 again to me,
it's a little bitmore of a tool than anything.
I mean,I do like what you can do with them
(28:06):
companies like Volt ports and whichI think my hat says for ports, I think,
but yeah, it just, I
think it did the,you know, they do things to 1022.
Is it with 20 1022that that really changes things.
And to me,
that was when you when you
look at one of those kind of ten, 20 twos,that's something different.
(28:27):
You know.
But when you see that plain Jane, 1022
stock fixed sights for sale at Walmart,
you know, for $189,you know, that's it's a wrench, you know.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a it's anI don't think it's a good
first gun for kidsbecause it teaches them bad things.
You know,it's like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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Nobody's using their sights. Nobody's.
Everybody's getting into trouble.
So, But I think it is a good
first sort of real gun for a kid
who's cut his teeth on a single shot,bolt action rifle.
Yeah, yeah.
That's probably America's best next gun.
That's a very good point.
Yeah, it should betterRuger, add America's best next gun.
(29:13):
Paul.
And the folks over there.
Yeah. America's best next gun.
But, you know, something else aboutthe 1022 is, you know, that we always joke
that the AR platform is, Legos for adultsor Tinker Toys for adults.
The 1022 I would actually say may.
Well, maybe they have as many, accessoriesbecause I know I've built and tinkered
(29:36):
and taken down and rebuilt and,
you know, the the cost is what's nice.
And being a 22, it's, it's a little easier
in terms of,the mechanical abilities, but.
Yeah, if you like tinkering,and messing around and putting accessories
and taking them offand all that, you cannot beat the 1022.
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They remind me of,as that old adage about the guy
picks up, a hatchetand he says, you know what?
This hatchethas been in the family for 150 years.
And you go, really?
Guy looks really good.
Well, you know, we've had to replacethe handle a few times.
Yeah.And we replaced the head a few times.
Yeah.
You know, but it's, it's this hatchetthat has been in our family.
(30:20):
And I know I have 1 or 2, you know, it'sa Ruger 1022 rifle that you buy, right.
And then you replace the barreland then you replace the stock
and you replace the boltand you replace the action.
You replace the sights,
you know, and then you just barelyhave that little aluminum receiver.
Right? Yeah.
And then eventuallyyou replace that with another one.
(30:42):
And so is that the same?
This is I've had this gun in the familyfor 50 years, you know.
But I got to tell you,I was watching a video last night.
And this will not interest the hardcoreshooters, but maybe other people.
The guy, in the video was usedthat exact same analogy
because he had a, early 60s,I think it was a Gibson SG,
(31:03):
and he took it all apart.
He bought it looked awful,and it had been butchered up so badly
that he had to root out a wholebunch of wood and all this kind of stuff.
And he said, okay, thethe guitar is mostly mine.
So is it still the Gibson SGor is it my creation?
It looks like it did come infrom the factory, but I mean, probably two
(31:24):
thirds of the wood had to be routed outand removed and new mahogany placed in.
So that's a funny concept.
Yeah, we replaced everything,but it's it's still an original.
All right.
Well, you know what I find amazing andyou do the same thing with AR fifteens,
is that you can build a Ruger 1022and have it have not a single Ruger part.
Yeah, exactly.
(31:45):
You know, you could do the same. You know,
you build every flavor AR you want toand never once you the Colt part.
Yep yep yep.
Well the final thing on the list iswe got to include the shotguns.
I'm I'm a huge shotty fanaticand I think they're the next thing.
They're going to be the next big thing
that we all suddenly discover in the gunjournalism industry.
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Shotguns.
It's a new thing. Well,they never went away.
And like I said,for any cop of a certain age, they
they were your,you know, your big firepower.
And, I had trouble trying to decide.
I think the 870, the, Remington 870
is certainly considered the classic,but I got to say, the Mossberg 500.
(32:28):
Did. I?
I'm going to put them both on thatsame pedestal because I think the,
the, the Remington's a little bit older.
And the Mossberg,came a little bit after that,
but they've been everything from,nice, hunting focused guns to.
Tack to cool.
Shots and everything in between.
And they're still, made today,still widely used today.
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There's a bazillion of them out there.
So the, the Remington,
the Moss ten or whatever.
It's still a viable,
gun for for hunting or for self-defense.
You and I both, you know, grew up with himon the police department mostly.
I didn't have oneuntil I joined the police department.
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Then I bought my own little short barrel,you know, riot gun.
Yeah.
No, I agree,
we just have a process that every timethe guns were assigned to the police cars.
And so when you would change a shiftand go out
and take over the car for your shift,
we had a process where you're supposedto take the shotgun out,
and then you had to do a five pointsafety check.
(33:35):
So you took the barrel off, you did this.
You looked made sure. You got progressive.
Oh yeah.
We had to put a penny on the boltand click it to make sure that it
had a firing pin.
When put it together,then you would load it
with your own ammunition that you you'vealways had and put it back in the car.
And so it was like, yeah, that was cool.Everybody.
You know, it was alwaysthis little ceremony that you always did
(33:57):
because everybody who would unload them,of course, at the end of your shift,
put it back in the car and,
but we found out it was whereand the guns out, you know, like so fast.
Yeah.
And so after a couple of years,we had all these loosey goosey 1870s
that around right around and everything.
So but you know what?
They always work.
There's never anything about it, you know.
(34:17):
And I remember there was this one old guy,it old cop.
I think he'd.
Come on, let's see.
This would have been 75 for me.
He had come on in the 50s, early 50s.
Oh, my.
An old mossy back.
Yeah.
And he called it a dozen gauge.
And so, you know, and, and I always
(34:39):
I just always liked that it because itjust like give me that dozen gauge boy.
You know.
Yeah.
Well I was going to say that, you know,you guys were really progressive.
We took the othertact. We had those upright,
racks that
had a secret buttonthat you could release.
You have a hole that goes down into towhat do you what what ends up happening?
(35:01):
Sometimes you just. Put that. Under was.
Oh, yeah, a paper ashtray.
That was another reasonwhy we had to do this.
Because you say. Exactly.
They'd stuffed napkins down and it's like,really, really, you know, you.
Know, I wasI was that young tactical officer
because I periodically took it outto make sure it didn't either
blow up, or my first shot on a bad guywas straw paper, you.
(35:25):
Know. You know.
Yeah. Well, I actually bought,
What was.I don't remember who made it farm.
It was a Smith and Wesson 3000.
It was a pump gun, right? Yeah.
And they authorized it.
And so there was a while there were
we were allowed to carry our own shotgunif we wanted to.
So I bought a Smith Wesson3000 and tuned up.
It worked really good.
(35:46):
And then I got, a bandolier and.
Yeah, loaded it upwith, like, a dozen buckshot
and some slug and some regular birdshot,because you never know.
So I put that in the rack and hang the,you know, bandolier around it.
Yeah. Put the issue gun in the trunk.
And, so that solved all those problemsof scary people
(36:09):
putting straws downand all that kind of stuff.
Well, I got to say, and this, this couldeasily turn into I don't know that
we've ever done a just shotgun episode,but we need to do that. But
firstof all, I came up with a brilliant idea.
Prophylactics would keep the guy.
Well, that's not going to happen, though.
But the other thing waswhen you said bandolier,
(36:31):
you know, back in the daysbefore the sidesaddle and all that stuff
in the stocks, the speed feed stocksand all that, you know, I went to to
I think Kmart at that timeand bought one of those elastic,
the whole, sling.
Couldn't think of the word that hadI forget what, 25 rounds
and they made the gun.
I mean, it was literallyweighed more than a boat anchor.
(36:53):
Yeah. Yeah.
I was actually on the sling. Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if you.
Slung the gun, you looked likea, a general from south of the border
or a bandit because you had all this ammo,but it was reassuring.
You took the gun out and providedyou had enough upper body strength,
you know,it was basically a crew served weapon
at that point,but you weren't gonna run out of ammo.
(37:15):
You. You know, you had 25oz of lead.
You could throw down range.
That's very funny. You're right.
I mean, Ibecause I saw one of those, I tried
and I said, well,this isn't going to work. Right.
So then I bought a regular bandolier.
And I have to say, because you figurednormally it's four rounds.
Yeah.And that's what most cops had for rounds.
(37:36):
Yeah. Well,those could get used up pretty fast.
And so what I would respondto, like, a bank
alarm call or, burglary at nighttime.
And you had a perimeter slotor something like that.
You know, I would take the shotgun outso that bandolier round my shoulder.
I have to say, it felt really,really good.
And on more than one occasion,like during hot stops where I was, a cover
(37:59):
ups or cops would come backand they used to make fun of me, right.
But after something like that,they'd look at that and they say,
where'd you get that again?Yeah. You know.
I always and it never happenedbecause, you know, cops are proud.
But I always wanted somebody to go, hey,can you throw me some ammo?
Well, no, no, I'm tackle bury.
(38:19):
Well, you're oh,you know. No, this is mine.
But I do think some guys, it's, we've hadwe had some incidents and guys started
showing up with other optionsand, some of the slings that had,
extra rounds on them.
So the point came across that,having extra ammo wasn't necessarily
a bad thing because four rounds in a hairygunfight will go by real fast.
(38:43):
I think you're right, I think so,and if people nowadays, you know,
they have a lot of AR 15 fanpeople, for instance.
And if you haven't discovered the sortof protection shotguns, it's worth a look.
It really is.
I will warn you, though,it's the same, like people take an AR 15.
They put every single widget on itpossibly can.
So they turn a svelte, easy to carry, easy
(39:07):
to handle gun into this little lumberinggamer gun.
Kinda. And people do that with shotguns.
So basic shotgun fix sight.
If you need an aperture.
If you shoot the slugs, that's fine.
Maybe a side saddle.
Yeah. Put a light on it and you will solve
virtually any problemyou will ever encounter.
(39:30):
Yeah.
And, you know, I gotta say,I just saw this the other day in a video,
and, you know, the shotgunsalways counter you.
You rock a shotgun,and that'll stop the fight.
I'm here to tell you it will not.
But if it does, it's very effective.
So I've often thought that,that would be one of my
my points if I ever have to shoot somebodyin my home,
(39:50):
I'm going to bring up the factthat they heard me rack that shotgun
and they still proceeded forward.
That's on them.
They chose poorly.
Well, you know what?
I was going to tell one story.
We had less lethal shotguns.
And so for a while it was reallyyou had less lethal ammunition,
but we only had one shotgun,which was our duty shotgun.
And so we were always really concernedabout,
(40:12):
well, did I doesthis have less lethal in it?
Does it have Oopsy.
And Iand that that happened on some agency.
So I shot him with a beanbag roundonly it was double shot buckshot.
Oopsie. Right.
Yeah, but I was sorry.
Yeah, my bad,but I remember there was a time we had.
I think they were orange stocked,
so they were eight 70sand they had orange stocks.
(40:34):
Right.
So those were always loadedand in the trunk
with whatever less lethalwe were using at the time.
Right.Beanbag rounds or whatever they were.
And but I remember there was a timethere was a guy standing on top of a car,
a complete Looney Tunes nut job, right.
And this was before we had the tasersthat could fire, you know,
(40:57):
and so everyone's saying, get off the car,get off the car, get off the car.
And finally we had enough of it,and somebody brought out
one of the less lethal shotguns.
And, And I remember he said,this is what you said directs the action.
And everyone says,you know, oh, that'll stop the fight. No.
He said,what are you going to do, shoot me?
(41:18):
So he did.
Yeah.
And I got to say,there was like this, Mike,
what do they call it,micro expressions or something?
I think micro aggression. Yeah. Yeah.
As he realized he just shot me, you know.
So maybe you'll thinkbefore you act again.
But yeah, that was interesting.
(41:38):
I don't know if people still do thator not.
Would like a different.
Okay. Yeah.
I maybe just watched a video of,in the state of Arizona,
you know,and this is another topic to that.
Less lethal is great if it works.
Sometimes it doesn't.
And I think law enforcement'sfinally realized
because there was a time when,oh, we'll just use, less lethal.
Right. Well, some people don't care.
(41:59):
And, my own funny story of.
I've seen that, you know,what are you going to. Do, shoot me?
Oh, falls the ground.
Oh, didn't hurt.
Yeah, yeah. I'mpretty sure it didn't hurt.
Let's put the heard.
Yeah.
We need to do a show like that.
Less like just random police stories.
See, people seem to enjoy it,
that they can share their ownin the comments and stuff, so.
(42:21):
But yeah. Yeah. Anyway,we need to do that.
We haven't done a, the old, old fartcop stories in a long time.
We certainly need to do that.
Well, it's, been great talking about this,and I know we've missed some stuff.
But, leave us a comment down belowor reach out to me.
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we're going to talk about,I think, pretty interesting topic.
We're going to talk about timelessfirearms that are still in use and,
you know, when we we stopand think about the old guns, you're
thinking, well, that's nice.
I saw one at the gun shop,but there's there's
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that, are still a good choiceno matter what you're doing.
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That's how we, justify our existence.
And today, my guest is Rory Huntington.
I know that's a big shock.
He's our unofficial co-host. Welcome, Roy.
I feel welcome.
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All right.
Well, good.I'll send some pastries over, but,
Well, like I said, today's topic,timeless firearms.
And I got a whole list of them, and,you know, really, that's almost
the unofficial theme here at, gunsmagazine presents the Guns podcast.
Or, as I like to call it, FUD land,
as we've accusedbeen accused of being or the FUD kingdom.
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But, there are still a lot of, old gunsthat are still a good choice.
No matter what you're doing.So we're going to run down a list.
But before we get to the specifics,any thoughts on on.
I got to be careful here.
Old guns that are still relevant
and useful today and try to keep it under,like, 2 or 3 hours.
Right.
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Well, I'm sure we'll get into it.
But I know, and maybe this is
another show of the gunsthat tried and failed, you know,
I mean, I thinkespecially as being in the industry,
you see these huge roll outsand then cue the crickets, you know?
But meanwhile,the Glocks are still around,
(03:37):
Colts are still around, Smith and Wessonrevolvers are still around, you know,
the Remington's,
you know, these iconic firearmsand firearm designs remain,
and I think we both know why,because sometimes change
just for the sake of change, doesn't work.
You know, it's like if you have somethingthat works perfectly fine,
(04:00):
and then you change it for no reasonwhatsoever.
Yep. Now people are offended becausethey just bought the old one, you know?
Are you saying that there isn't any goodhere?
You know, so, so yeah, they a lot of them
have come and go, but,there's a lot who are that are still here.
They're still here for reasons.
(04:20):
Exactly.
And, and I did write downsome of those reasons.
And I kind of wanted to go through that,reliability and simplicity.
Things were, were maybe, bulkier, heavier,
but they werethey worked because they were simple.
And, you know, sometimes
we've all had, guns or accessoriesthat were maybe a little overengineered
(04:41):
and fragile and complex, and, you know,the old stuff tended not to be that way.
It it had to work because they,they couldn't,
get tolerances downto, you know, half of a whisker.
And, so it had to be a little more,
bigger, robust, less, close tolerances.
So the reliability can be there.
(05:03):
Provided the,the firearm, you know, was taken care of.
And they tend to be simpler in general.
Familiarity.
That was a, a thought. That.
We kind of take it for granted.
But if you throw an 870 into my hands,I don't care
what vintage,maybe even what accessories you put on it.
But I can run that thingpretty well because,
(05:25):
as I've said before, back in my daysas a baby cop at the,
the police academy,we had to push on the earth.
If we couldn't field stripthat thing and and clear jams,
you know, blindfolded in the darkkind of thing.
So, if somebody has been carryinga lever action,
you know, for 40 or 50 years,they're probably pretty good at it.
So that knowledge does carry overnot just to that individual,
(05:48):
but to the group as a whole.
So, looking at a couple ofthe other ideas, and then the tradition,
you know, as we say, guns should be fun.
They're one letter from fun.
So if the tradition makes you feel warmand fuzzy
about that firearm and it doesn't have to,that may not be a criteria for you.
(06:10):
But I'm here to tell you,as you get older and more experienced,
the the tradition behind it, the storybehind the gun, who carried the gun,
who maybe carried that particular gun,those things really do matter.
So anything on this that Roy.
No. I mean, I think you're right.
One of the primary reasons
why classic designs remain isbecause people feel good about it.
(06:33):
And feeling good about it isa significant reason why people own guns.
I mean, notall of us have to have a gun, you know?
And so we do it because we like itand because we enjoy it.
So why would I own somethingthat I don't like and enjoy?
You know,
(06:53):
I mean, I have,I have working guns, you know,
I have a rusty $75 Marlin, 22 rifle.
I keep in my easy go, right?
Yeah, I it's just a tool.
It's a it's a nail. Right.
I know if,if I, if I dropped it in the pond I'd go
oh I guess I better goget another one, you know.
(07:14):
Right.
But then I have guns that do have
that sense of attachment and,it's like when I pick one up,
it starts a continuous loop videoin my mind of memories and feelings and,
you know, and likes and,you know, all that kind of stuff.
And I think most of these iconic designsthat we're talking about,
(07:37):
is doesthat, you know, I mean, to this day,
if I pick up a guy, world
War 219 1145, you know, a park arise.
Genuine World War Two veteran gun.
And I load it with hard balland rack the slide
and snick the safety onand put it on my desk. Here
(08:00):
I feel pretty good,
you know, it's like,
this is going to protect me.
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah, because it's protected us for 115years, I think, give or take a little bit.
So. Exactly.
And, you know, that was actually goingto be the first one on the list.
But we don't necessarily haveto talk about it because it's pretty clear
(08:22):
the 1911 is still relevant todayto a lot of us.
I've got one sitting right over hereon my desk, and I carry it a lot.
It's an officer's model.
But, yeah, the 1911 is probably theperfect example of what I'm talking about.
A gun that, by all rights, probablyshould have been buried in the past,
but it's still being manufacturedby countless manufacturers.
(08:43):
A lot of people still choose it as their,carry or use weapon of choice.
Oh, I said weapon. That's bad.
But it's a good gun, and it still workstoday.
And I don't know of anybodythat picks up a 45 and says, well,
I'm under gun,but I'm going to carry it anyway.
So it's a good gun,but I've actually got one.
I'm going to shock you here, Roy.
(09:04):
Okay. You ready for this?
Are you sitting down?
I know, are I'm going to say the Glock 17.
And when you stop and think about it, 40
some years ago,that thing, really got popularized.
And as we've talked countless times, I'm
not a huge fan of polymer guns and plasticguns, black plastic tactical.
(09:27):
But I own a lot of them.
And I, I freely admit,and I wanted to start this list
with that's an oldie, that's a classic,and you can buy them virtually any place.
You can find
some really old and beat up onesbecause they've been around that long,
but they're obviously a well designed,
well thought out, gunthat, still works today.
(09:49):
And you never see peoplego, wow, it's just a Glock.
You know,
they work and I think they're goingto be around another 100 plus years.
So I don't want to beat that point toomuch.
But, I also wanted to point outthat even though we are,
royalty in the food kingdom,
we recognize that,you know, things like Glocks
(10:10):
that have been aroundstood the test of time.
They're timeless classics.
So anything you want to add to that?
Well, you know,even if you're a Dodge fan,
you have to acknowledgethe fact that a Ford F-150,
is in the same category.
You know, you may not like them.
You would never own one,but they're iconic,
(10:31):
you know, and they have a legacy.
A, you know, personally,
I look at a Glock as I look at a tenmillimeter Harbor freight,
wrench, you know, I mean, I
miss nothing really special about it,but it certainly does the job.
Yeah.
I mean,if if I don't have the same feeling
(10:53):
if I load a Glock and put it on my deskhere, as I do
when I take that old Colt and load itand put it on the desk, you know, just.
And I don't know if it'sbecause I have more of an affiliation
or because of the historical significance
of the 1911 or a pre-war.
Smith and Wesson had ejector revolveror something like that single action Colt.
(11:14):
But but you're right.
I mean, it is, you know, iconic.
I mean, I think in the manner that
70s, late 60s and 70s muscle cars are,
you know, I mean, other than theGlock may be more practical,
you know.
Well. I tell you.
(11:34):
Well, you know what blows my mindwhen I was putting this list together
is there are people that are listeningor watching, us right now
who are of that age that they grew upwith, that truly.
That's that's what they think of when whenthey were a kid and dad was showing him
the guns or taking him out to teach himhow to shoot.
Probably used a Glock, you know, 17 or 19.
(11:54):
And it's it'shard for me to wrap my head around that
because I was already shooting a lot,
when we really started carrying semi-auto
and, it it's, it's eye
opening to me to think of the folks thatand they're not young at this point,
that grew up and and look at those
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as, you know, a with fond nostalgia.
So I wanted to add those.
Yes, we are the kingsof the Fudd world, but,
we recognize what what is a timelessclassic and Glock certainly is.
But I want to go ahead.
I just want to say if
if you are one of those people,please put it in the comments.
Because what I'm curious to knowis, do you have that
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same sense of attachment and fondness?
In other words,I mean, I understand if you have inherited
your father's first Glock 17, I mean,I would assume you would hold that it
it is with a certain level of esteem,I think, you know, but I'm not sure. And,
you know, if you inherited your father's1911 that he carried in World War two
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or you inherited your
dad's, your dad's Glockthat he carried as a policeman somewhere.
Do doesthat have the same significance to you?
Yeah.
And if it does, educate us.
So. Yeah, exactly.
But now now I'm going to get royal,as I like to say, hot and frothy.
And we may have to throw some coldwater on him at some point.
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But the next, gun on the list is,
I think we canall agree is Smith and Wesson keyframes.
The basic design's been aroundsince the late 1800s,
and they're still going strong today.
They've been through their ups and downs.
But, Roy,wax poetic about Smith and Wesson.
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Double actions. Boy, you know, it's.
You're right, though.
I mean, theythey wrote the book literally, on that.
You know, what I find is that there arethere are two kinds of shooters families.
There are householdsthat grew up with cults
and and then the rest of their lives,
all the kids, grandkids, everybody.
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They're cult shooters.
You know, they don't know anythingabout Smith and Wesson revolvers.
They don't even look at them in the gunstores. You know.
And the same thing applies thoughsome of the lessons
I grew up in a Smith Wesson house,you know.
So my first Smith and Wesson revolver
was a six inch pre-war model ten,you know, a hand ejector.
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And it's and followed by hundredsand hundreds ever since then.
So I think either of those
would certainly qualifydeep, deep, deep into this category.
You know, and I thinkfor a lot of reasons, I exposure to them,
you know, who here is carryingSmith and Wesson revolvers as policemen,
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grandfathers, great
grandfathers, you know, the military.
I mean, the list is just endless.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's like seeing
a picture of a model-t Fordand a modern Ford.
I mean, it's the same thing, you know?
So we have them from the beginningall the way till now. Yep.
And you already touched on the next itemon the list, which is, is Colt,
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double action revolvers, the, detectivespecial, the Python.
Yeah, those are little newerdesigns, per se, but obviously
Colt has been going since the 1870s, but,Colt firearms are still there.
And when you were saying that, Roy, youknow, families are either Chevy or Ford,
Smith and Wesson or Colt,and you'll get this.
You're either a canon or a Nikon shooter,and never the twain shall meet.
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It's exactly the same.
Yeah, it's exactly the same.
Oh. Go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to move on.
But if you've got, words of wisdom, pleasecontinue.
Well, you know, Colt was fortunatebecause, of course, they had their iconic
black powder guns,you know, the 1851 Navy and the 1860s.
And those guns,the Walker Cole, of course.
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And then once the cartridge guns came out,
they had the most iconic Colt ever,the Colt single action.
You hold a Colt single action upanywhere in the world,
you know, and a tribesman in New Guineais going to say cowboy.
Yeah. Cowboy gun. Yeah.
And, Colt 1911.
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Same thing.
So yeah.
So yeah, they have their big jujuwhen it comes to all that.
And, you know, with Smith and Wesson,I think the model 29, dirty Harry gun
is, is that I mean, Smith and Wessonwas on the radar, of course.
But I think when that movie came outand the model 29 was the star,
suddenly Smith
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and Wesson got a focus of attentionthat it never had before.
Agreed.
And I don't and it hasn't lost it since.
Yep, yep.
Well, we'regoing to move away from the handguns.
There are there certainly.
And and let us know in the comments.
Or you can hit me at editor at gunspodcast. Us.
I'd be interestedin hearing what you think.
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Certain handguns fall into this category.
The next thing on the list.
I'm not going to beat this to a point,and I'm not even going
to throw it to you, Roy,unless you have something strong to say.
But the AR 15, the M16,
it's it's pushing 60 years,and it certainly is America's rifle.
And ad nauseum, we have said we like them,
we shoot them, but theythey don't give us warm and fuzzies.
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But I do have to agree.
It's it's a timeless American classic.
And, the militaryis kind of moving on from it,
but it's going to be around for a long,long, long time.
So, Colt, there are 15 fans, M16 fans.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, we got it. Good.
Good on you.
The next one, though,is, comrade, is the AK 47.
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It's been around a long time sincejust after World War two.
And I gotta admit,I am not an AK fan at all.
I know, Jeremy Clough,one of our longtime writers
is, dialing the phone as I, as I speak
to tell me how wrong I ambecause he is a huge fan of the AK.
But, there's no denyingthat it's a classic.
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And there's probably I.
I've seen various numbers.
There's a lot of,
Ars in the United States, butthere's a whole heck of a lot more acres
across the world.
So that that family of designsis, absolutely timeless.
And I got to admit, as as Jeremy Cloughwill attest, it's still a,
a good gun of choice for certain things,especially for self-defense.
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So wewe never really talk about the AK here.
Though, you know, and Iif for me personally, part of it is that,
oh, it's a evil gun, you know, becausethe communists did it and everything.
And you,
you always see the people in Africawho are killing each other, holding
taped up, you know. Yeah. Painted a case.
And so it kind ofhas a bad reputation, but,
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I think a good quality AK, you know, onethat's
made in Europe as opposed to China,for instance, and stuff like that.
I've shot them.
The Vo had a basically a copy and,you're high quality.
They're good guns.
They shoot well, I've shota lot of full auto is very interesting.
You know, with that cartridgeyou can kind of
write your name with it almost,you know, little short bursts.
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I can see it.
It's abut to me, though, it's still a tool.
And, and so I don't look at an AK and say,
you know, and wax poetic apologiesto Jeremy.
Yeah, but but it Iit is an effective tool.
And, you know,the only thing is I have done accuracy
testing with him, and, you know, theI can't remember the details,
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but I'm sure someone will correctthis, but, initially,
you you're, like, six inches at 100yards was well within what an AK was.
Could do. You know what that was?
But probably in the real world,that's perfectly acceptable, you know.
I mean, what more do you need than that?
And, so, yeah.
So I can say this, thoughI've never owned one.
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Yeah.
I've only had one briefly.
And, you know, for me,
the only thing I really appreciateabout the AK
is the, the, the simplistic design,
that that they made work.
I mean, it was really designedto be mass produced and as we joke.
But it's kind of true,
you know, they're making themin caves in Afghanistan to this day.
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And, there's a certain,
it gets a couple of style pointsfor that simplicity,
for serving the purpose,which I agree with you, Roy,
in most cases is evil, but,
it's still a gotta give it props.
It's still a viable gun.
And, Jeremy, I'm sorry, but, we at least
got to mention it in because there'san awful lot of them out there.
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It's.
Well, you know, it.
It's such a Russian gun, you know?
I mean, you look at it.
Reminds me of a T-34 tank, right?
You know, I mean, that they're justthey're not Polish.
They're.
I mean, they just literallythey're a brick.
They live like a SJS, right?
Yeah. I did own a,
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That was a Russian S-Class.
It was actually really well made.
It was, you know, nicely made gun.
But again, it was just it was a wrench,
you know, and,you know, with the terrible wood.
And it was just made to do a job,you know, kind of like
Russian handguns are that way, too.
So, Tokarev pistols, for instance.
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Yeah. Their whole own category, kind of.
And I know there were collectorsand people were passionate about it,
and I'm sure we'll hear about it.
We're idiots because we don't understand.
We do understand,but we just don't have that gene.
Okay.
So and this next one kind is inthe same category as a military gun, but,
it is basically the the Big Daddy, theoriginal gangster of bolt action rifles.
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And that's the the Mauser 98and that series, its immediate
predecessors and,everything that's descended from that,
it's still consideredespecially, I know, a dangerous game.
You know,
folksreally like the design, controlled feed.
They were doing it right.
And I think it helped that thethe Germans were the originators
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and they had a great traditionor still have a great tradition
of building quality equipment.
If the Russians had designed the 98,
it probably would have been popularbecause it probably wouldn't work. But.
I mean, let's, let's call it what it is,the Germans know how to build stuff.
And, but even todayand there was an incident recently,
I think we all know that, apparently,apparently, a 98 action was used.
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So they're very clearly still a relevantfirearm today.
Well, if it wasn't for that, thereprobably would not be bolt
action hunting rifles of any kind, period.
I mean, you know,there were some early the, the,
you know, Bedford, the Leon Fields,there were some other,
you know,but really most of those came from the,
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the interest and ideas that were generatedby the very earliest bolt action Mauser.
You know, just when the first timeone of those opened up the bolt
and fed from,whatever kind of magazine everyone else,
excuse me, took notice, you know,
and continue to do so today.
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So. No, you're right.
It I don't think it gets any more iconicthan that.
Yeah.
And okay, when when you talk about iconand we've said before,
we try to avoid thatbecause everything's iconic nowadays
and very few things actually are.
But this one, this is an icon.
Like you said, Roy, you show the tribesmena, single action army
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and they'll say, oh, cowboy gun.
You show him this gun and it's theI've got the Winchester 94 on the list.
But really, that representsWinchester rifles in general.
The 94 was, the most, commerciallysuccessful, still produced today.
We're actually in the middle of a levergun resurgence.
Marlin certainly makes good stuff,but it's it's the model
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94 that really kind of typifiesthat entire,
let me use a big word aunt archetype, and,you know what more we've talked about?
Lever and lever, guns and lever love.
I don't know what more I can really sayother than they're still making them.
They're still popular.
I've owned a bunch. I've shot a bunch.
That was the first high powered rifleI ever shot.
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So, they.
I don't think anybody would argue, thepoint of including it in our list today.
No. And I, for me,a lot of it is the heritage.
I mean,because when I pick up a barrel of 94,
I'm, I go back 100 years, you know,
and so you it's like you can feelthat legacy in the history
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and the gunwhen your hand closes around the receiver.
I don't know.
It's, cold.
Had an ad a million years ago, and it was.
It was a cowboy.
And he was sitting around a campfire,and he was holding a single action.
Right. And it was real simple.
I don't remember it exactly,but it said a snap of a twig,
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the darkness outside of the firing colt,and then confidence.
Yeah, right.
And a 94 does that for me.
I mean, those are the I have two of themhere that I built cut down guns.
And I mean, if there is a noise outsideright now I'm three steps away from one.
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Yeah.
And that's the one I would pickup, you know.
So. Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey. Sidebar here.
Roy, I we've been talking about thisfor a couple of months,
but we got to come out sometime soon.
You know what? My truck gun.
I've said it's an old, 1970s model94 that I bought.
Real? Right.
I think it's got a 20 inch.
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Maybe.
Let's cut that sucker downto about 16.5. And.
Yeah, I know,some people say it's bastardized
and making tactical,but that's my truck gun because it doesn't
scare people as badlyas pulling out an AR platform.
The 3030 cartridgeis certainly nothing to sneeze at.
And, I just I have a lot of faithand confidence in it, but, yeah,
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if that barrel was a little bit shorter,we might be able to do something.
So we could do that.
We'll make a videoand then, embarrass ourselves, you know?
So I think it's a good idea,but no, I it is.
And I'll use the iconic word again. Yeah.
But it is it can I say one more thing?Yeah.
Even people who don't really like them,
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it's still like, yeah, that kind of go.
Yeah, okay. Yeah.
Well.
You know, my first experience shootinga high powered rifle when a friend's
dad said, you want to shoot this,and I'm like, oh, I can shoot that.
And I was, I don't know, I was 8or 10 at the time and it scared me.
But I had to do it because that's,you know, that's what John Wayne carries.
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And yeah, even even non shooters,the I'm scared of guns.
You want to shoot this? Yeah.
It's it's it has that kind of effect.
Now this next gunhas this kind of effect on you Roy.
And it it is certainly iconic also.
And it's, it's unleash the Ruger 1022.
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I think you were the one that said
everybody needs to own a 1022or multiple ten, 20 Dos.
I think everybody does that with,you know.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember when there were $65brand new, amazing.
I know it was just like itcompeted with the Marlin Model 60.
Yeah.
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Which arguably should probably beon our list.
Talk about you know, that's a good one.I never thought about that. Yeah.
I mean, there's there's still millionsof them resting slowly,
rusting away,you know, behind kitchen doors.
Yeah, yeah.
And stuff like that.
But, but yeah,I think a ten, 22 again to me,
it's a little bitmore of a tool than anything.
I mean,I do like what you can do with them
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companies like Volt ports and whichI think my hat says for ports, I think,
but yeah, it just, I
think it did the,you know, they do things to 1022.
Is it with 20 1022that that really changes things.
And to me,
that was when you when you
look at one of those kind of ten, 20 twos,that's something different.
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You know.
But when you see that plain Jane, 1022
stock fixed sights for sale at Walmart,
you know, for $189,you know, that's it's a wrench, you know.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a it's anI don't think it's a good
first gun for kidsbecause it teaches them bad things.
You know,it's like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
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Nobody's using their sights. Nobody's.
Everybody's getting into trouble.
So, But I think it is a good
first sort of real gun for a kid
who's cut his teeth on a single shot,bolt action rifle.
Yeah, yeah.
That's probably America's best next gun.
That's a very good point.
Yeah, it should betterRuger, add America's best next gun.
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Paul.
And the folks over there.
Yeah. America's best next gun.
But, you know, something else aboutthe 1022 is, you know, that we always joke
that the AR platform is, Legos for adultsor Tinker Toys for adults.
The 1022 I would actually say may.
Well, maybe they have as many, accessoriesbecause I know I've built and tinkered
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and taken down and rebuilt and,
you know, the the cost is what's nice.
And being a 22, it's, it's a little easier
in terms of,the mechanical abilities, but.
Yeah, if you like tinkering,and messing around and putting accessories
and taking them offand all that, you cannot beat the 1022.
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They remind me of,as that old adage about the guy
picks up, a hatchetand he says, you know what?
This hatchethas been in the family for 150 years.
And you go, really?
Guy looks really good.
Well, you know, we've had to replacethe handle a few times.
Yeah.And we replaced the head a few times.
Yeah.
You know, but it's, it's this hatchetthat has been in our family.
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And I know I have 1 or 2, you know, it'sa Ruger 1022 rifle that you buy, right.
And then you replace the barreland then you replace the stock
and you replace the boltand you replace the action.
You replace the sights,
you know, and then you just barelyhave that little aluminum receiver.
Right? Yeah.
And then eventuallyyou replace that with another one.
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And so is that the same?
This is I've had this gun in the familyfor 50 years, you know.
But I got to tell you,I was watching a video last night.
And this will not interest the hardcoreshooters, but maybe other people.
The guy, in the video was usedthat exact same analogy
because he had a, early 60s,I think it was a Gibson SG,
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and he took it all apart.
He bought it looked awful,and it had been butchered up so badly
that he had to root out a wholebunch of wood and all this kind of stuff.
And he said, okay, thethe guitar is mostly mine.
So is it still the Gibson SGor is it my creation?
It looks like it did come infrom the factory, but I mean, probably two
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thirds of the wood had to be routed outand removed and new mahogany placed in.
So that's a funny concept.
Yeah, we replaced everything,but it's it's still an original.
All right.
Well, you know what I find amazing andyou do the same thing with AR fifteens,
is that you can build a Ruger 1022and have it have not a single Ruger part.
Yeah, exactly.
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You know, you could do the same. You know,
you build every flavor AR you want toand never once you the Colt part.
Yep yep yep.
Well the final thing on the list iswe got to include the shotguns.
I'm I'm a huge shotty fanaticand I think they're the next thing.
They're going to be the next big thing
that we all suddenly discover in the gunjournalism industry.
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Shotguns.
It's a new thing. Well,they never went away.
And like I said,for any cop of a certain age, they
they were your,you know, your big firepower.
And, I had trouble trying to decide.
I think the 870, the, Remington 870
is certainly considered the classic,but I got to say, the Mossberg 500.
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Did. I?
I'm going to put them both on thatsame pedestal because I think the,
the, the Remington's a little bit older.
And the Mossberg,came a little bit after that,
but they've been everything from,nice, hunting focused guns to.
Tack to cool.
Shots and everything in between.
And they're still, made today,still widely used today.
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There's a bazillion of them out there.
So the, the Remington,
the Moss ten or whatever.
It's still a viable,
gun for for hunting or for self-defense.
You and I both, you know, grew up with himon the police department mostly.
I didn't have oneuntil I joined the police department.
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Then I bought my own little short barrel,you know, riot gun.
Yeah.
No, I agree,
we just have a process that every timethe guns were assigned to the police cars.
And so when you would change a shiftand go out
and take over the car for your shift,
we had a process where you're supposedto take the shotgun out,
and then you had to do a five pointsafety check.
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So you took the barrel off, you did this.
You looked made sure. You got progressive.
Oh yeah.
We had to put a penny on the boltand click it to make sure that it
had a firing pin.
When put it together,then you would load it
with your own ammunition that you you'vealways had and put it back in the car.
And so it was like, yeah, that was cool.Everybody.
You know, it was alwaysthis little ceremony that you always did
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because everybody who would unload them,of course, at the end of your shift,
put it back in the car and,
but we found out it was whereand the guns out, you know, like so fast.
Yeah.
And so after a couple of years,we had all these loosey goosey 1870s
that around right around and everything.
So but you know what?
They always work.
There's never anything about it, you know.
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And I remember there was this one old guy,it old cop.
I think he'd.
Come on, let's see.
This would have been 75 for me.
He had come on in the 50s, early 50s.
Oh, my.
An old mossy back.
Yeah.
And he called it a dozen gauge.
And so, you know, and, and I always
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I just always liked that it because itjust like give me that dozen gauge boy.
You know.
Yeah.
Well I was going to say that, you know,you guys were really progressive.
We took the othertact. We had those upright,
racks that
had a secret buttonthat you could release.
You have a hole that goes down into towhat do you what what ends up happening?
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Sometimes you just. Put that. Under was.
Oh, yeah, a paper ashtray.
That was another reasonwhy we had to do this.
Because you say. Exactly.
They'd stuffed napkins down and it's like,really, really, you know, you.
Know, I wasI was that young tactical officer
because I periodically took it outto make sure it didn't either
blow up, or my first shot on a bad guywas straw paper, you.
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Know. You know.
Yeah. Well, I actually bought,
What was.I don't remember who made it farm.
It was a Smith and Wesson 3000.
It was a pump gun, right? Yeah.
And they authorized it.
And so there was a while there were
we were allowed to carry our own shotgunif we wanted to.
So I bought a Smith Wesson3000 and tuned up.
It worked really good.
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And then I got, a bandolier and.
Yeah, loaded it upwith, like, a dozen buckshot
and some slug and some regular birdshot,because you never know.
So I put that in the rack and hang the,you know, bandolier around it.
Yeah. Put the issue gun in the trunk.
And, so that solved all those problemsof scary people
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putting straws downand all that kind of stuff.
Well, I got to say, and this, this couldeasily turn into I don't know that
we've ever done a just shotgun episode,but we need to do that. But
firstof all, I came up with a brilliant idea.
Prophylactics would keep the guy.
Well, that's not going to happen, though.
But the other thing waswhen you said bandolier,
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you know, back in the daysbefore the sidesaddle and all that stuff
in the stocks, the speed feed stocksand all that, you know, I went to to
I think Kmart at that timeand bought one of those elastic,
the whole, sling.
Couldn't think of the word that hadI forget what, 25 rounds
and they made the gun.
I mean, it was literallyweighed more than a boat anchor.
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Yeah. Yeah.
I was actually on the sling. Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, if you.
Slung the gun, you looked likea, a general from south of the border
or a bandit because you had all this ammo,but it was reassuring.
You took the gun out and providedyou had enough upper body strength,
you know,it was basically a crew served weapon
at that point,but you weren't gonna run out of ammo.
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You. You know, you had 25oz of lead.
You could throw down range.
That's very funny. You're right.
I mean, Ibecause I saw one of those, I tried
and I said, well,this isn't going to work. Right.
So then I bought a regular bandolier.
And I have to say, because you figurednormally it's four rounds.
Yeah.And that's what most cops had for rounds.
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Yeah. Well,those could get used up pretty fast.
And so what I would respondto, like, a bank
alarm call or, burglary at nighttime.
And you had a perimeter slotor something like that.
You know, I would take the shotgun outso that bandolier round my shoulder.
I have to say, it felt really,really good.
And on more than one occasion,like during hot stops where I was, a cover
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ups or cops would come backand they used to make fun of me, right.
But after something like that,they'd look at that and they say,
where'd you get that again?Yeah. You know.
I always and it never happenedbecause, you know, cops are proud.
But I always wanted somebody to go, hey,can you throw me some ammo?
Well, no, no, I'm tackle bury.
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Well, you're oh,you know. No, this is mine.
But I do think some guys, it's, we've hadwe had some incidents and guys started
showing up with other optionsand, some of the slings that had,
extra rounds on them.
So the point came across that,having extra ammo wasn't necessarily
a bad thing because four rounds in a hairygunfight will go by real fast.
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I think you're right, I think so,and if people nowadays, you know,
they have a lot of AR 15 fanpeople, for instance.
And if you haven't discovered the sortof protection shotguns, it's worth a look.
It really is.
I will warn you, though,it's the same, like people take an AR 15.
They put every single widget on itpossibly can.
So they turn a svelte, easy to carry, easy
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to handle gun into this little lumberinggamer gun.
Kinda. And people do that with shotguns.
So basic shotgun fix sight.
If you need an aperture.
If you shoot the slugs, that's fine.
Maybe a side saddle.
Yeah. Put a light on it and you will solve
virtually any problemyou will ever encounter.
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Yeah.
And, you know, I gotta say,I just saw this the other day in a video,
and, you know, the shotgunsalways counter you.
You rock a shotgun,and that'll stop the fight.
I'm here to tell you it will not.
But if it does, it's very effective.
So I've often thought that,that would be one of my
my points if I ever have to shoot somebodyin my home,
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I'm going to bring up the factthat they heard me rack that shotgun
and they still proceeded forward.
That's on them.
They chose poorly.
Well, you know what?
I was going to tell one story.
We had less lethal shotguns.
And so for a while it was reallyyou had less lethal ammunition,
but we only had one shotgun,which was our duty shotgun.
And so we were always really concernedabout,
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well, did I doesthis have less lethal in it?
Does it have Oopsy.
And Iand that that happened on some agency.
So I shot him with a beanbag roundonly it was double shot buckshot.
Oopsie. Right.
Yeah, but I was sorry.
Yeah, my bad,but I remember there was a time we had.
I think they were orange stocked,
so they were eight 70sand they had orange stocks.
(40:34):
Right.
So those were always loadedand in the trunk
with whatever less lethalwe were using at the time.
Right.Beanbag rounds or whatever they were.
And but I remember there was a timethere was a guy standing on top of a car,
a complete Looney Tunes nut job, right.
And this was before we had the tasersthat could fire, you know,
(40:57):
and so everyone's saying, get off the car,get off the car, get off the car.
And finally we had enough of it,and somebody brought out
one of the less lethal shotguns.
And, And I remember he said,this is what you said directs the action.
And everyone says,you know, oh, that'll stop the fight. No.
He said,what are you going to do, shoot me?
(41:18):
So he did.
Yeah.
And I got to say,there was like this, Mike,
what do they call it,micro expressions or something?
I think micro aggression. Yeah. Yeah.
As he realized he just shot me, you know.
So maybe you'll thinkbefore you act again.
But yeah, that was interesting.
(41:38):
I don't know if people still do thator not.
Would like a different.
Okay. Yeah.
I maybe just watched a video of,in the state of Arizona,
you know,and this is another topic to that.
Less lethal is great if it works.
Sometimes it doesn't.
And I think law enforcement'sfinally realized
because there was a time when,oh, we'll just use, less lethal.
Right. Well, some people don't care.
(41:59):
And, my own funny story of.
I've seen that, you know,what are you going to. Do, shoot me?
Oh, falls the ground.
Oh, didn't hurt.
Yeah, yeah. I'mpretty sure it didn't hurt.
Let's put the heard.
Yeah.
We need to do a show like that.
Less like just random police stories.
See, people seem to enjoy it,
that they can share their ownin the comments and stuff, so.
(42:21):
But yeah. Yeah. Anyway,we need to do that.
We haven't done a, the old, old fartcop stories in a long time.
We certainly need to do that.
Well, it's, been great talking about this,and I know we've missed some stuff.
But, leave us a comment down belowor reach out to me.
Editor at, guns podcast.
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Now get out there and get shooting.
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