#337 - Mailbag: The Reason Police used "Widow-maker" Ammo and more! - The GUNS Magazine Podcast

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Speaker: Hi there and welcome to the guns podcast us one of the world's (00:08):
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Speaker: biggest gun talk programs. (00:11):
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Speaker: Thanks for joining us again. (00:13):
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Speaker: I'm your host, Brent Wheat. (00:14):
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Speaker: And as usual, I am joined by my co-host, Roy Huntington. (00:15):
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Speaker: And we're going to talk about all the great fun stuff. (00:19):
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Speaker: And I think we've got a good (00:22):
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Speaker: show today that is going to (00:23):
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Speaker: involve our viewers and (00:24):
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Speaker: listeners. (00:26):
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Speaker: So anyway, before we get there, Roy, how are you doing today? (00:27):
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Speaker: I'm just at the tail end of ten days alone here. (00:32):
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Speaker: Susie's been on a bear hunt in (00:35):
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Speaker: Canada or as she says, Canada, (00:37):
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Speaker: you know, and I'm always amazed (00:40):
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Speaker: at the men I know who say, (00:42):
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Speaker: really? (00:44):
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Speaker: I mean, Holy cow, what do you do when they're gone? (00:45):
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Speaker: I mean, yeah, do you go out to eat every day? (00:49):
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Speaker: I mean, they're just like, are you really that useless? (00:52):
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Speaker: You know, it's like, well, no. And congrats to Susie. (00:55):
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Speaker: I, Susie actually went in my place. (00:59):
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Speaker: I was going to go on this hunt (01:02):
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Speaker: and I had some major unexpected (01:04):
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Speaker: expenses. (01:05):
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Speaker: I was literally ready to say I'm coming. (01:06):
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Speaker: And then I opened that bill from the hospital and it's ha! (01:08):
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Speaker: So Susie jumped in my spot and Susie got a cinnamon phase and a (01:13):
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Speaker: black bear the same day. (01:18):
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Speaker: What was it the first day she got there or something? (01:20):
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Speaker: Yeah. (01:23):
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Speaker: Like a by noon she had tagged out. (01:23):
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Speaker: You should see if you can put a flash picture of it in here. (01:26):
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Speaker: Okay. (01:30):
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Speaker: I can do that. (01:30):
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Speaker: I can people can see it. (01:31):
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Speaker: Good looking bear. (01:32):
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Speaker: So, uh, I've committed to next year. (01:33):
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Speaker: If I have to sell plasma between now and then, I'm going to go. (01:36):
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Speaker: So anyway. (01:39):
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Speaker: Sounded like a good time. (01:40):
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Speaker: And Susie will be back tonight. (01:41):
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Speaker: But today, Roy, we're going to (01:42):
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Speaker: talk about something that we use (01:44):
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Speaker: a lot. (01:46):
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Speaker: It is kind of our go to for topics and that is our reader (01:46):
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Speaker: comments and emails. (01:51):
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Speaker: And as, as I've often said, I'm not real good about replying. (01:53):
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Speaker: I do skim. (01:56):
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Speaker: I one hundred percent emails. (01:58):
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Speaker: I'm good about that fifty on on comments. (01:59):
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Speaker: Roy is great on comments on YouTube. (02:01):
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Speaker: He scans them every almost every (02:03):
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Speaker: day and replies to a lot of (02:05):
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Speaker: them. (02:07):
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Speaker: So between us, we see what you're talking about and the (02:07):
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Speaker: questions you're asking. (02:10):
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Speaker: And today we're going to touch on all that stuff. (02:10):
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Speaker: So we've got plenty of material here. (02:13):
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Speaker: And I know Roy's got some too. (02:15):
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Speaker: So put on my reading enhancement (02:16):
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Speaker: glasses, and we're just going to (02:19):
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Speaker: jump right in with the first (02:20):
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Speaker: one. (02:21):
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Speaker: So Roy, a guy named Josh says, hey, my name's Josh. (02:22):
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Speaker: I'm a recent subscriber. (02:25):
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Speaker: I've been enjoying all your episodes uploaded with Brent (02:26):
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Speaker: Roy, especially the latest one, the FUD Training Secret. (02:29):
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Speaker: And actually that was two ago (02:32):
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Speaker: now and that was episode three (02:34):
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Speaker: fifty five, uh, FUD training (02:36):
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Speaker: secrets. (02:38):
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Speaker: And I just had a question for Brent and Roy about ammunition. (02:39):
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Speaker: About thirty eight special. (02:42):
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Speaker: My question is regarding the (02:44):
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Speaker: police use of the one hundred (02:45):
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Speaker: and fifty eight grain lead round (02:46):
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Speaker: nose. (02:48):
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Speaker: Why did police agencies across the country use this round and (02:49):
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Speaker: why so long? (02:52):
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Speaker: And was it. (02:53):
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Speaker: Is it an effective round? (02:54):
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Speaker: I've seen arguments and testing say it is, yet it gets a (02:55):
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Speaker: somewhat bad reputation. (02:58):
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Speaker: Thanks for your time. (02:59):
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Speaker: God bless. (03:00):
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Speaker: Well, I'll start out with my answer. (03:01):
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Speaker: It's because that's what they had at that point. (03:03):
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Speaker: And police departments tend to go on low bid. (03:06):
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Speaker: And I think the FBI was using it. (03:08):
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Speaker: So there was there was really, I guess, nothing better. (03:10):
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Speaker: And if if when I came on, hollow points were a thing. (03:14):
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Speaker: So we all carried hollow points, (03:18):
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Speaker: but we still trained with one (03:19):
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Speaker: hundred and fifty eight grain (03:20):
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Speaker: round nose. (03:21):
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Speaker: So, Roy, you probably started back when that was like the high (03:22):
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Speaker: tech, wasn't it? (03:25):
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Speaker: That was cutting edge technology right there. (03:27):
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Speaker: But but no, you're right. (03:29):
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Speaker: I mean, essentially that was the only thing. (03:31):
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Speaker: It was available in one hundred (03:33):
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Speaker: and fifty eight grain round (03:34):
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Speaker: nosed lead ammunition at about (03:35):
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Speaker: eight hundred feet per second, (03:37):
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Speaker: you know, but it killed a lot of (03:38):
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Speaker: people. (03:40):
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Speaker: You know. (03:41):
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Speaker: And I don't know if the cops were better shots in those days (03:42):
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Speaker: or people gave up more or I'm not sure, you know, but when I, (03:46):
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Speaker: I was a reserve in Chula Vista in the middle seventies when we (03:51):
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Speaker: had we got virtually the like, almost the only hollow point. (03:54):
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Speaker: Thirty eight special load of Remington Peters. (03:58):
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Speaker: One twenty five hollow Point, which was terrible, by the way. (04:00):
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Speaker: And, and at the same time, Super (04:04):
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Speaker: Bowl was about really the only (04:06):
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Speaker: other competition. (04:07):
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Speaker: And then I was really expensive. (04:09):
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Speaker: I remember that. (04:11):
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Speaker: Yeah, yeah. (04:11):
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Speaker: Agencies would never have done that. (04:12):
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Speaker: And then when I was hired by the San Diego Police Department in (04:14):
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Speaker: seventy eight, we carried a bullet I really liked it was one (04:18):
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Speaker: hundred and fifty eight grain lead semi wadcutter at about (04:22):
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Speaker: eight hundred and fifty nine hundred feet per second. (04:27):
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Speaker: It was interesting. (04:29):
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Speaker: It was branded Smith and Wesson. (04:29):
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Speaker: I never did learn who actually (04:31):
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Speaker: loaded it for, you know, but it (04:33):
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Speaker: would have been Federal (04:35):
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Speaker: Winchester or somebody like that (04:36):
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Speaker: probably. (04:37):
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Speaker: But yeah, you know, we killed a lot of bad guys with that. (04:38):
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Speaker: And I mean, it was really effective. (04:41):
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Speaker: As a matter of fact, we were all (04:43):
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Speaker: kind of sad when that went away (04:44):
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Speaker: and we had to adopt a hollow (04:45):
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Speaker: point. (04:46):
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Speaker: Wow. (04:48):
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Speaker: So I guess, Josh, the answer to your question is it's better (04:49):
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Speaker: than a stick or a rock. (04:53):
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Speaker: Yeah, there are better options at this point. (04:55):
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Speaker: So that's, that's kind of I think we agree on that take. (04:58):
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Speaker: So yeah, you'll like this one. (05:02):
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Speaker: Roy thank the subject line says thank you, Yosemite Sam. (05:05):
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Speaker: And that's, uh, referencing, I think it was our last episode (05:09):
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Speaker: says, yeah, and this is from Sigma Pi doc. (05:12):
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Speaker: And I thought this was interesting because it says, (05:16):
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Speaker: thanks for all the great advice. (05:18):
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Speaker: I love listening to podcasts, driving home from work. (05:19):
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Speaker: PS I live in Joplin, Mo and have been looking around Roy for Roy (05:22):
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Speaker: around town for years, like Where's Waldo, but with Roy and (05:28):
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Speaker: his mustache, nothing nefarious. (05:31):
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Speaker: Just to say thanks for everything and shake your hand. (05:33):
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Speaker: Thanks both. (05:35):
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Speaker: So where's Roy? (05:36):
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Speaker: That may be our new our new thing, so. (05:38):
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Speaker: Well, you know, if you see me, for gosh sakes, make sure you (05:42):
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Speaker: stick your hand out. (05:45):
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Speaker: Somebody in Menards the other day saw me there. (05:46):
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Speaker: A guy was with his wife a couple aisles over and he was like, (05:49):
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Speaker: really looking at me. (05:52):
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Speaker: And I just like, you know, (05:53):
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Speaker: hello, I'm not in my head or (05:54):
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Speaker: something. (05:56):
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Speaker: Then finally he looked down. (05:56):
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Speaker: He shook his head and he walked around. (05:57):
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Speaker: He stuck his hand out and he (05:59):
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Speaker: said, You're Roy Huntington, (06:00):
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Speaker: aren't you? (06:02):
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Speaker: And it was very polite. (06:03):
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Speaker: And everybody I always loved to meet people. (06:04):
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Speaker: I, I go to Brandon's here in, in Joplin. (06:06):
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Speaker: I was going to say, I know (06:10):
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Speaker: you're at Brandon's a lot all (06:11):
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Speaker: the time. (06:13):
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Speaker: I mean, two or three days a week. (06:13):
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Speaker: So keep your eyes open there. (06:15):
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Speaker: I look forward to seeing you. (06:17):
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Speaker: Excellent. (06:18):
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Speaker: Our next one is from Rick. (06:20):
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Speaker: And let's see, I was doing some reading about a certain caliber (06:22):
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Speaker: and found it had a fascinating story history behind it. (06:26):
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Speaker: So I thought, how about a show that discusses the history of (06:28):
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Speaker: these various calibers and why they exist and why there's so (06:31):
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Speaker: many of them. (06:35):
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Speaker: Anyhow, keep up the good work. (06:36):
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Speaker: So yeah, but the problem there is the embarrassment of riches. (06:37):
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Speaker: Which one do we tackle? (06:41):
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Speaker: I don't know that we've ever (06:43):
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Speaker: done a caliber load specific (06:44):
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Speaker: show. (06:46):
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Speaker: Or did we, Roy, I can't remember (06:46):
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Speaker: after three hundred and fifty (06:48):
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Speaker: six episodes. (06:49):
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Speaker: Well, you know, we've done we've covered the thirty eight. (06:50):
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Speaker: We've covered the thirty two Magnum. (06:53):
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Speaker: Three twenty seven pretty well. (06:55):
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Speaker: You know, I know we did a show, (06:57):
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Speaker: I think on like ridiculous (06:58):
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Speaker: calibers. (07:00):
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Speaker: Why do we even have this? (07:01):
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Speaker: You know? (07:03):
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Speaker: But I don't think we've ever, (07:04):
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Speaker: other than that really devoted a (07:06):
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Speaker: show to like today we're going (07:07):
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Speaker: to talk about the two twenty one (07:09):
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Speaker: fireball. (07:11):
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Speaker: I mean, part of it for me is I don't know that I know that much (07:12):
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Speaker: about all these calibers. (07:15):
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Speaker: It'd be easy to, you know, to get more familiar. (07:16):
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Speaker: The only trouble with that, (07:20):
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Speaker: though, is when you have a (07:21):
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Speaker: single topic show like that, (07:22):
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Speaker: like today we talk about the, (07:24):
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Speaker: you know, the three hundred and (07:26):
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Speaker: eight. (07:28):
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Speaker: A lot of people say, I already know about three hundred eight. (07:28):
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Speaker: I don't want to listen. (07:31):
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Speaker: Or I don't have a. Two twenty seven Savage or whatever. (07:33):
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Speaker: So I don't care. (07:38):
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Speaker: So that's kind of that is a problem. (07:40):
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Speaker: Yeah, maybe. (07:43):
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Speaker: How about this though? (07:44):
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Speaker: Let's say if if you're interested, let's make some (07:45):
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Speaker: comments about is there a particular cartridge you would (07:49):
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Speaker: like to to see? (07:53):
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Speaker: And if you know, if we get multiple, it's like, gee, I wish (07:54):
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Speaker: I knew more about the fill in the blank and we'd see multiple (07:57):
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Speaker: questions about it. (08:00):
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Speaker: Well, then that probably would be reasonable. (08:01):
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Speaker: Excellent idea. (08:04):
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Speaker: So moving on to backyard air rifles. (08:05):
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Speaker: And that was just one or two episodes ago. (08:07):
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Speaker: The FUD training secrets, as we called it. (08:10):
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Speaker: And hey, Brent Roy just finished (08:13):
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Speaker: your podcast on air guns and (08:15):
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Speaker: love it. (08:17):
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Speaker: At sixty five. (08:17):
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Speaker: I'm a FUD, I guess. (08:19):
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Speaker: Said like you and Roy have had BB guns and pellet guns and ya (08:20):
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Speaker: da da da da da da da. (08:23):
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Speaker: I'll close with this. (08:25):
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Speaker: I was up at the Villages in Florida last week and they have (08:26):
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Speaker: an amazing airgun range. (08:28):
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Speaker: Brought my rifle and while shooting it I met other fudds (08:31):
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Speaker: who had a. Or another FUD who had a beautiful PCP pre-charged (08:34):
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Speaker: pneumatic with a trigger that measured in ounces. (08:37):
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Speaker: Shooting that rifle made me feel like I now need to get out and (08:40):
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Speaker: get a high quality PCP. (08:43):
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Speaker: And that was from Dan Nelson in Florida. (08:45):
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Speaker: So I've been to the villages I drive by there. (08:47):
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Speaker: We've got family and didn't (08:50):
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Speaker: realize they had an air rifle (08:52):
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Speaker: range. (08:53):
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Speaker: And it sounds like there's probably knowing that crowd. (08:54):
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Speaker: It's older guys, typically a little better off economically. (08:57):
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Speaker: So I bet they do do a lot of airgun shooting there with with (09:01):
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Speaker: the good stuff. (09:05):
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Speaker: So, Roy, you ever thought about moving to the villages? (09:06):
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Speaker: No, I never have. (09:09):
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Speaker: But but that I what a great idea though to have an air gun range (09:11):
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Speaker: like that, you know, and, and I hope they have like, I don't (09:15):
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Speaker: know, rental air guns or something like that so people (09:19):
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Speaker: can try them out. (09:22):
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Speaker: But but that he is exactly right (09:23):
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Speaker: though, if you're really (09:25):
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Speaker: interested, the difference (09:26):
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Speaker: between, you know, the seventy (09:27):
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Speaker: nine dollars cheapo one you buy (09:29):
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Speaker: on Amazon or the five or six or (09:32):
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Speaker: eight hundred or one thousand (09:35):
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Speaker: dollars precision when you get (09:36):
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Speaker: it's just unbelievable, you (09:38):
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Speaker: know? (09:40):
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Speaker: Yeah, it's such a pleasure to use. (09:40):
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Speaker: So yeah, I would recommend I've got an idea that if, if any of (09:42):
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Speaker: our listeners or viewers are down in the villages and you (09:49):
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Speaker: shoot regularly, especially on this airgun range, drop me a (09:52):
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Speaker: line, let me know because I'm down there quite a bit. (09:54):
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Speaker: Maybe we could do a podcast episode, a video, write a story. (09:56):
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Speaker: I'm always open to ideas like that. (10:00):
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Speaker: So that might be something interesting. (10:02):
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Speaker: And it would, my gosh, I could (10:03):
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Speaker: probably take it off taxes (10:05):
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Speaker: because it would be a business (10:06):
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Speaker: expense, right? (10:08):
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Speaker: To go down to. (10:09):
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Speaker: Yeah, we'll have to jump. (10:09):
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Speaker: Well, we'll have to jump online (10:10):
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Speaker: and see if they're if they have (10:12):
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Speaker: a website or if there's more (10:13):
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Speaker: information, because I'd love to (10:15):
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Speaker: see some pictures of it or (10:16):
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Speaker: So yeah, absolutely. (10:18):
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Speaker: So the next two dozen emails, I (10:19):
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Speaker: think are kind of all on the (10:22):
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Speaker: same topic. (10:24):
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Speaker: And that's the subject line of this one is snubs. (10:25):
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Speaker: And this is from Jimmy. (10:28):
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Speaker: Enjoyed the podcast coverage on snubs. (10:30):
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Speaker: I'm eighty eight years young, a range safety officer shooting (10:32):
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Speaker: winter indoor pistol league and go to the range weekly. (10:35):
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Speaker: Never owned a Snubby, but saw a Ruger three hundred fifty seven (10:39):
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Speaker: LCR on sale and on a whim I bought it, took it home, did a (10:42):
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Speaker: little lubing headed for the range, shooting thirty eight (10:45):
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Speaker: special reloads wearing fingerless padded gloves. (10:48):
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Speaker: I had a blast, fired about a hundred rounds at steel and (10:50):
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Speaker: decided it's going to replace my sig P nine thirty eight as my (10:53):
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Speaker: everyday carry gun. (10:56):
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Speaker: I just never felt comfortable with carrying my sig nine locked (10:58):
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Speaker: and loaded in my pocket holster. (11:01):
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Speaker: Thanks for the coverage and that was j j d. So we've talked about (11:03):
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Speaker: stubbies actually quite a bit here of late. (11:07):
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Speaker: Like I said, that was episode. (11:09):
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Speaker: The most recent was three thirty one small gun, big defence. (11:11):
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Speaker: But Roy, I know you're, you're (11:15):
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Speaker: the, you're like the king of the (11:17):
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Speaker: snubby world. (11:18):
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Speaker: And, uh, and we know it from the (11:19):
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Speaker: analytics of our episodes when (11:23):
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Speaker: we talk about Stubbies, people (11:25):
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Speaker: love them and people watch and (11:27):
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Speaker: send us lots of comments and (11:28):
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Speaker: emails. (11:30):
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Speaker: So, Roy, you love them. (11:30):
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Speaker: There's no doubt about it. (11:32):
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Speaker: I do too, but well, you know, the, the show that you had (11:33):
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Speaker: Darrell Bulky on who really is the king of the snub. (11:37):
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Speaker: But yeah, that's true, I. A day (11:40):
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Speaker: doesn't go by that I don't get (11:42):
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Speaker: four or five six comments with (11:43):
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Speaker: that video. (11:46):
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Speaker: I mean, it's just it's constant, (11:47):
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Speaker: you know, and, and it's (11:48):
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Speaker: interesting. (11:50):
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Speaker: Almost nobody ever says, well, they're stupid. (11:50):
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Speaker: Why would anyone do that? (11:53):
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Speaker: You know, and the person who says that is somebody who just (11:55):
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Speaker: doesn't know how to shoot them, you know, because they'll say, (11:57):
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Speaker: why would you have one of those? (12:00):
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Speaker: They're inaccurate. (12:01):
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Speaker: You can't hit anything beyond five yards and blah, blah, blah. (12:02):
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Speaker: Well, you're wrong, you know, but I see a lot of it's more and (12:05):
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Speaker: more now younger people, like in their late twenties and into (12:08):
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Speaker: their thirties who are saying, you know, I've recently (12:12):
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Speaker: discovered snubnosed revolvers, and I was at the range and there (12:15):
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Speaker: was an old guy there. (12:18):
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Speaker: He asked me if I'd like to shoot it, I did. (12:20):
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Speaker: I really like it. (12:22):
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Speaker: I can see how it's safe to carry. (12:23):
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Speaker: I like the reliability. (12:25):
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Speaker: I, you know, it's like I hear (12:27):
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Speaker: this time and time and time (12:28):
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Speaker: again and they're basically, you (12:29):
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Speaker: know, retiring their Glocks and, (12:32):
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Speaker: you know, Pocket autos and stuff (12:34):
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Speaker: and and buying snubnosed (12:37):
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Speaker: revolvers. (12:39):
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Speaker: So good. (12:40):
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Speaker: Well, people like them and we're gonna keep talking about them. (12:41):
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Speaker: So the next one here is from M.T. (12:44):
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Speaker: And its subject is Pocket Pieces. (12:46):
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Speaker: Enjoy your views regarding snubby and pocket pistols. (12:48):
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Speaker: I always pack a little North (12:51):
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Speaker: American arms, twenty two long (12:53):
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Speaker: rifle and sometimes an Earl an (12:55):
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Speaker: Earl. (12:57):
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Speaker: I'm not. (12:58):
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Speaker: Maybe that's a typo, I don't know. (12:59):
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Speaker: You know what an Earl is, Roy. (13:01):
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Speaker: And I'm I'm my mind's blanking on it. (13:04):
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Speaker: I think it's I think it's another North American arms (13:05):
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Speaker: As you two mentioned, the ease (13:17):
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Speaker: In Arizona, we're allowed to pack concealed without a permit. (13:24):
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Speaker: Yes, which makes it simple to forget it's on your person. (13:27):
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Speaker: One thing I've noticed it's (13:31):
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Speaker: In my opinion. (13:38):
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Speaker: That's why the preference is a stainless pistol. (13:38):
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Speaker: Can't argue with you there. (13:41):
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Speaker: I get my kick out of both of your perspectives, which I (13:42):
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Speaker: Miss the print magazine Mark in Arizona and Cool Town. (13:46):
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Speaker: Well, I won't say what it is, (13:51):
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Speaker: but Mark agree with you on all (13:52):
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Speaker: that. (13:53):
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Speaker: And I thought he made a good point that you got to keep them (13:54):
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Speaker: clean because over the weekend, last weekend was Memorial Day. (13:58):
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Speaker: So I did a whole bunch of yard work. (14:01):
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Speaker: One day I did twelve hours digging and all this stuff. (14:02):
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Speaker: My my pocket gun was filthy, so I had to clean that. (14:05):
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Speaker: But yeah, just, uh, more positive stuff on snubs. (14:09):
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Speaker: So, you know, I keep, I thought (14:14):
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Speaker: I had it sitting here, but I (14:16):
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Speaker: air like you used to blow off (14:19):
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Speaker: Like I have those spread all over the place, but about once a (14:24):
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Speaker: week I just take my little pocket LCP max out, go, you (14:27):
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Speaker: know, and it is amazing. (14:32):
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Speaker: It's the old dust buffaloes that come to you even just in a week. (14:33):
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Speaker: It's astounding. (14:37):
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Speaker: So I've got one of those big and I know, I know you've got them, (14:39):
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Speaker: Roy the big they remember those ear syringes or nose syringes. (14:42):
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Speaker: We call them a nose sucker used with babies. (14:47):
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Speaker: Basically. (14:49):
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Speaker: It's the same thing, but it's a lot bigger. (14:50):
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Speaker: It's a blower for camera gear. (14:51):
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Speaker: That's how you can dust off lenses and stuff. (14:53):
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Speaker: I'm sure you've got at least one. (14:55):
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Speaker: I got a bunch of them, so I use (14:57):
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Speaker: those keep my cameras clear, but (14:59):
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Speaker: I also use them to get the (15:00):
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Speaker: tumbleweeds out of my my pocket (15:04):
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Speaker: So Darrell and not Darrell, our (15:07):
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Speaker: friend Darrell Bulky but Darrell (15:10):
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Speaker: subject snubs. (15:12):
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Speaker: I think they're great, but few people master the double action (15:13):
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Speaker: trigger pull the three, sixty five, ten or twelve rounds in an (15:16):
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Speaker: equally compact package I think is hard to argue against. (15:20):
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Speaker: I had fifteen hundred rounds (15:23):
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Speaker: through mine before cleaning (15:25):
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Speaker: without a failure, and at an ADC (15:26):
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Speaker: match we shot one third IPsec (15:28):
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Speaker: know how to use it. (15:34):
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Speaker: Can't argue with you, Daryl. (15:36):
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Speaker: And as we've often said, you know the phrase I frequently use (15:37):
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Speaker: your mileage may vary. (15:41):
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Speaker: And if you're more comfortable (15:43):
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Speaker: carrying that three hundred (15:44):
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Speaker: sixty five and you can hit IPsec (15:45):
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Speaker: one third size targets at eighty (15:47):
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Speaker: yards with it, you're doing (15:49):
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Speaker: fine. (15:50):
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Speaker: So you just keep carrying it and, you know, no throwing no (15:51):
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Speaker: So your thoughts on that Roy. (15:55):
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Speaker: You know, we we posted a video I (15:59):
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Speaker: frame revolver, do a search on (16:04):
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Speaker: it on our channel at FMG (16:06):
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Speaker: And I'm amazed at the number of (16:09):
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Speaker: people who they watch it and (16:10):
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Speaker: then they comment later on and (16:13):
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Speaker: they say, Holy cow, I had no (16:14):
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Speaker: idea. (16:16):
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Speaker: I just did what you said, you know, and they they learned to (16:17):
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Speaker: stage the trigger, learned to press the trigger. (16:20):
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Speaker: And suddenly their groups went (16:22):
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Speaker: from twenty inches at five yards (16:24):
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Speaker: know. (16:29):
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Speaker: And so yeah, they can do it. (16:29):
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Speaker: And, and I will say I've got a three sixty five and I carry it. (16:31):
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Speaker: It's got the TV on top and I (16:35):
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Speaker: generally carry my my pocket (16:37):
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Speaker: snubby. (16:39):
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Speaker: But I was out and about quite a bit over the last week. (16:39):
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Speaker: And in those situations I prefer to have that red dot optic. (16:42):
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Speaker: I realize, you know, there's pros and cons, but again, I (16:45):
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Speaker: think the, the point that a lot of some people miss in what we (16:49):
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Speaker: discuss is here's how we do it, here's our opinions of it. (16:53):
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Speaker: But maybe unlike some other commentators, we're not going to (16:56):
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Speaker: tell you you're an idiot as long as you're being safe. (16:59):
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Speaker: If you know, like you can hit with that. (17:01):
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Speaker: Three sixty five and that's what you want to carry, I think you (17:03):
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Speaker: should and more power to you. (17:06):
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Speaker: So there we go. (17:08):
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Speaker: You before we go on. (17:11):
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Speaker: Wait, before we go on. (17:12):
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Speaker: You brought up an interesting point. (17:14):
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Speaker: I know you and I are going to go (17:16):
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Speaker: do a show about the red dot (17:17):
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Speaker: versus not probably next, you (17:18):
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Speaker: know, but I want, God forbid, (17:20):
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Speaker: this. (17:24):
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Speaker: And I'm not encouraging anyone (17:24):
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Speaker: to do this, but I have not seen (17:26):
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Speaker: a red dot on a small frame (17:29):
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Speaker: revolver yet. (17:31):
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Speaker: I've seen them on some, but I can't remember who it was. (17:32):
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Speaker: They did the little Beretta, the (17:35):
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Speaker: seconds, you know, their little (17:39):
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Speaker: I think they put one, but yeah. (17:44):
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Speaker: A comp threaded for a suppressor. (17:46):
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Speaker: It's got a little red dot sight on it, and I. But it reminded me (17:49):
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Speaker: of that silly video I just did where I took a Davis Derringer (17:53):
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Speaker: and I put a red dot sight on the top and a laser underneath it. (17:56):
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Speaker: It's like, that's just ridiculous, right? (17:59):
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Speaker: You know, and so I saw that and I thought, well, you've just (18:01):
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Speaker: destroyed everything that's functional about this little (18:04):
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Speaker: gun, you know? (18:07):
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Speaker: So but now I feel compelled to (18:08):
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Speaker: find some old rusty, I don't (18:10):
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Speaker: know, ancient Taurus Snubby or (18:12):
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Speaker: something, and mill it and put a (18:14):
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Speaker: red dot sight on it just to (18:16):
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Speaker: personally affront a lot of (18:18):
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Speaker: people. (18:20):
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Speaker: And I can see that happening. (18:21):
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Speaker: And then we're shooting and (18:22):
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Speaker: you're like, hey, this is (18:23):
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Speaker: actually something. (18:24):
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Speaker: So yeah, I won't go into what I (18:25):
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Speaker: think could be something about (18:27):
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Speaker: Taking a turn here, we're going (18:31):
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Speaker: to go to staging guns around the (18:32):
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Speaker: house. (18:34):
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Speaker: And that was from episode three thirty two which was hiding guns (18:34):
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Speaker: around your house. (18:37):
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Speaker: The concept has full merit unless one resides in California (18:38):
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Speaker: with a K, where the California legislature passed a law in (18:42):
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Speaker: twenty twenty five stating all firearms shall be stored in a (18:46):
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Speaker: DOJ approved safe. (18:49):
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Speaker: And I kind of remember that I don't live in California and (18:51):
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Speaker: frankly don't care to know too much about their laws. (18:54):
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Speaker: But I do kind of remember hearing about that. (18:57):
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Speaker: So old, old del here says fine and dandy, but I live in a rural (18:59):
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Speaker: area in California. (19:04):
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Speaker: Response time is often greater (19:06):
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Speaker: than five to ten minutes, which (19:07):
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Speaker: I will say that's actually (19:09):
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Speaker: I know folks where it's measured (19:12):
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Speaker: in half hours or hours in some (19:14):
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Speaker: places, but he says, I'll take (19:16):
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Speaker: my chances with California law (19:18):
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Speaker: after I deal with the dangers at (19:20):
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Speaker: hand. (19:21):
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Speaker: And Adele can't disagree with you at all. (19:22):
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Speaker: So that's interesting. (19:26):
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Speaker: Did you ever run into that? (19:28):
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Speaker: I mean, that law was from twenty twenty five, but I know (19:29):
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Speaker: California's had some just cringe worthy firearms laws. (19:31):
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Speaker: Was storage really a thing when you were still there? (19:35):
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Speaker: No, I got out in two thousand and eight, as I recall. (19:38):
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Speaker: Well, yeah, we fled. (19:43):
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Speaker: We left, you know, tire burning skid marks as we left San Diego. (19:44):
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Speaker: Susie retired in September two thousand and eight. (19:50):
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Speaker: We were moved in here in October of two thousand and eight. (19:53):
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Speaker: This was like two weeks later. (19:57):
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Speaker: Yeah, I don't recall really. (19:59):
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Speaker: I don't, I mean, I, I can't, I really can't recall if they said (20:01):
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Speaker: that if you had a gun at home, it had to be secured. (20:06):
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Speaker: I really I can't recall if somebody can remind us please (20:08):
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Speaker: put a comment. (20:11):
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Speaker: So and honestly, do you think (20:12):
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Speaker: that's a truly a gun safety (20:14):
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Speaker: measure or it's just one more (20:16):
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Speaker: layer of making it harder and (20:18):
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Speaker: harder and harder to own a (20:19):
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Speaker: firearm because they didn't say (20:21):
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Speaker: safe, and I've never seen the (20:25):
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Speaker: list of what is a dog DOJ (20:26):
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Speaker: Department of Justice approved (20:30):
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Speaker: safe, but I'm guessing they're (20:32):
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Speaker: not the lesser expensive models, (20:33):
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Speaker: right. (20:36):
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Speaker: Well, you know, and it's like, (20:37):
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Speaker: hello, we're from the (20:38):
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Speaker: government. (20:39):
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Speaker: We're here to help. (20:39):
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Speaker: Right. (20:41):
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Speaker: We want to inspect your safe. (20:41):
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Speaker: Well, there's no doubt in my mind that a. Or maybe they're (20:43):
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Speaker: talking about to prevent theft. (20:47):
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Speaker: I suppose, too, because if you (20:48):
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Speaker: strap of a revolver, well, then (20:51):
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Speaker: no one's going to use that gun (20:54):
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Speaker: to do anything with unless they (20:55):
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Speaker: easy way to do it. (21:00):
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Speaker: But, you know, I'm it'd be a shame, though, because if you (21:01):
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Speaker: get somebody who's on a bit of a budget, like I was at, oh, I (21:04):
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Speaker: want to say it was tractor supply or, or someplace like (21:07):
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Speaker: that the other day. (21:10):
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Speaker: And they have these, I'd call it (21:11):
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Speaker: like a real heavy duty steel (21:13):
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Speaker: That are are gun safes, right? (21:17):
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Speaker: So they're not fireproof, you know, or anything like that. (21:19):
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Speaker: But, you know, they've got good locks on them, you know, (21:24):
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Speaker: multiple lock systems. (21:27):
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Speaker: You bolt them to the wall. (21:28):
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Speaker: And I mean, you, you and I, in our history of being a (21:29):
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Speaker: policeman, I've never would have seen a bad guy be able to break (21:33):
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Speaker: If they had all weekend and the owner's cutting torch that he (21:41):
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Speaker: found in the garage, well, yeah, you know, he could probably get (21:45):
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Speaker: in, but but if that if they're not DOJ approved, then that (21:48):
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Speaker: means people who would be able to afford something like that (21:51):
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Speaker: wouldn't be able to afford it. (21:54):
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Speaker: So we both know what happens then they don't buy anything. (21:56):
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Speaker: Yep. (22:00):
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Speaker: And I, I was sitting here while (22:00):
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Speaker: thinking, I'm not going to go (22:03):
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Speaker: But let me just say this. (22:08):
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Speaker: The, let's say the, the current Democrat Party, which I'm not (22:11):
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Speaker: turning this into a political argument, but I hope there's (22:16):
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Speaker: nobody that would argue with me that the Democratic Party, (22:18):
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Speaker: Democrat Party is pro firearms nationally, and in most cases (22:21):
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Speaker: they are not. (22:26):
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Speaker: They are against firearms. (22:27):
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Speaker: It makes them scared, but yet they're the ones that push (22:28):
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Speaker: legislation that disproportionately (22:32):
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Speaker: disenfranchises folks that don't have the economic means. (22:35):
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Speaker: If I have to put my gun in a (22:39):
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Speaker: safe, which I do, I can afford (22:41):
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Speaker: it. (22:42):
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Speaker: But there's a lot of folks like (22:43):
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Speaker: you said, Roy, typically folks (22:44):
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Speaker: that aren't white folks that (22:46):
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Speaker: that particular party often (22:48):
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Speaker: courts, but they make sure that (22:50):
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Speaker: So I want you to think about (22:52):
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Speaker: that when they're saying it's (22:54):
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Speaker: safety, is it safety, or is it (22:55):
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Speaker: trying to disenfranchise the (22:57):
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Speaker: very people that they otherwise (22:59):
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Speaker: Like, you know, everybody's keeping you down, but we're (23:01):
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Speaker: we've got your back. (23:04):
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Speaker: Well, no, you don't because you don't want them to have the (23:05):
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Speaker: ability to defend themselves. (23:07):
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Speaker: So there you go. (23:09):
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Speaker: I jumped up on my soapbox and I'm sure I'll get some hate mail (23:11):
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Speaker: over that, but just give me some empirical data why I'm wrong so (23:14):
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Speaker: well, and you know, if people will will often say that because (23:19):
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Speaker: Wrangler, a high point, you know, the more affordable guns, (23:27):
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Speaker: entry level Taurus guns like that, a lot of the there are (23:31):
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Speaker: these people with attitude and they say, well, you know, that's (23:34):
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Speaker: a waste of time. (23:37):
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Speaker: I can't believe you actually wasted the space, you know, to (23:38):
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Speaker: talk about that or to make a video or something like that. (23:42):
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Speaker: And we I know I speak for Brent, we have always endorsed the (23:45):
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Speaker: ability for people of lesser means to be able to find (23:50):
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Speaker: affordable self-defense guns and ways to store them safely if (23:54):
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Speaker: you know, is a high point, the (24:04):
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Speaker: Nineteen eleven. (24:08):
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Speaker: No, but it does give someone protection who can't afford it (24:09):
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Speaker: And I tell you what, I learned (24:13):
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Speaker: something the other day, and it (24:15):
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Speaker: was about, uh, private indoor (24:16):
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Speaker: ranges and, and it struck me and (24:18):
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Speaker: I hadn't before thought about (24:21):
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Speaker: this, is that the vast majority (24:23):
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Speaker: of them do not allow any kind of (24:25):
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Speaker: Right? (24:29):
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Speaker: So, so you, you have to have factory ammunition. (24:29):
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Speaker: And some of them even say you (24:33):
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Speaker: It's also probably not bad for business, but it dawned on me. (24:43):
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Speaker: Yeah, but it dawned on me, if you're somebody on a fixed (24:47):
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Speaker: income, if you're Social Security or you're a younger (24:51):
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Speaker: person trying to raise a family and you don't have a lot of (24:54):
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Speaker: Well, if you go to an indoor (25:01):
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Speaker: range, you're going to spend (25:02):
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Speaker: fifty dollars or for a box of (25:04):
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Speaker: thirty eight special to shoot (25:06):
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Speaker: You know, I have a friend who lives in California. (25:09):
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Speaker: He just sent me a copy of an invoice he had. (25:11):
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Speaker: He went to his indoor range. (25:13):
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Speaker: went, you know what, that is some kind of discrimination. (25:35):
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Speaker: And I, you know, I don't it's like, I understand why the (25:38):
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Speaker: They don't want some nitwit to (25:43):
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Speaker: But gosh, there's got to be some options. (25:49):
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Speaker: I mean, you could buy twenty five rounds, you know, or fifty (26:04):
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Speaker: It was affordable. (26:09):
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Speaker: You turn the brass back in. (26:10):
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Speaker: I don't know why they don't do (26:11):
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Speaker: I was off on a rant to, okay, well, there we go. (26:16):
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Speaker: We're one to one rant. (26:19):
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Speaker: So getting back into the, the (26:20):
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Speaker: mail here, uh, this one's snubby (26:22):
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Speaker: Good afternoon. (26:25):
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Speaker: Just listen to your podcast on Snubby. (26:26):
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Speaker: Yes, I'm a big fan of pocket guns. (26:28):
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Speaker: Just tried my Smith and Wesson nine forty three last Monday. (26:30):
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Speaker: Had something odd happen. (26:33):
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Speaker: First two rounds didn't fire Remington nine millimeter old (26:35):
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Speaker: Yeah, they're still really sensitive to cartridge headspace (28:26):
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Speaker: So, uh, more on snubs from Doug. (29:01):
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Speaker: I just finished watching your podcast on snubs. (29:04):
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Speaker: You asked for comments, so here's mine. (29:06):
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Speaker: I purchased a Smith and Wesson Ultimate Carry in thirty two hr (29:08):
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Speaker: Right after it became available, I chose the blue with the (29:13):
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Speaker: rosewood grips, and it's a beauty, I imagine. (29:15):
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Speaker: Not only does it look sexy, it shoots well too. (29:19):
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Speaker: Like Brent suggested, I bought a (29:21):
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Speaker: lot of ammo and devoted a good (29:23):
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Speaker: Well, I'm quite confident with it, more than I can say with the (29:26):
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Speaker: Glock forty three X that I had purchased a few years before. (29:29):
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Speaker: I had issues with jamming, probably due to my arthritis (29:31):
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Speaker: goes on, but it says. (29:34):
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Speaker: As a side note, I previously owned a North American Arms mini (29:35):
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Speaker: revolver, but it was. (29:39):
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Speaker: Same goes for the Glock forty three. (29:45):
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Speaker: So totally agree with you guys. (29:47):
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Speaker: And that's that's from Doug in Washington. (29:50):
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Speaker: I was just going to bring that up because I love my North (29:53):
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Speaker: And I often carried it as a back up to the primary piece or (29:57):
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Speaker: sometimes just a primary gun if the situation warrants. (30:00):
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Speaker: But I've got to say, Roy, over the past six months, I've (30:03):
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Speaker: But that stuff I heard you talking about it and the some of (30:12):
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Speaker: I know John Taffin had problems with that in his later years, (30:18):
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Speaker: And it just occurred to me the (30:24):
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Speaker: So I'm right there now and I understand it, but I hate to (30:30):
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Speaker: give up my North American arms, but the something about them (30:33):
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Speaker: just really intrigues me. (30:37):
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Speaker: And again, the twenty two Magnum, even the twenty two with (30:38):
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Speaker: some of those federal deep penetrating loads, I don't know (30:42):
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Speaker: too many gun writers that'll stand up and take it. (30:45):
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Speaker: So there. (30:47):
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Speaker: No, you're right. (30:48):
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Speaker: You keep in mind, too, those North American arms, they. (30:49):
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Speaker: You can get a wide range of different shaped grips for them. (30:52):
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Speaker: And then don't forget, they also (31:00):
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Speaker: make the ones that have a more (31:01):
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Speaker: full size grip and the gun folds (31:03):
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Speaker: into it. (31:05):
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Speaker: They actually just sent me one not too long ago when I first (31:06):
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Speaker: pocket clip on it, right. (31:11):
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Speaker: And then but once I got it, it (31:13):
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Speaker: I don't know that I would carry it as my primary gun, but if you (31:24):
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Speaker: here on the tractor and you just dig it out of your pocket, open (31:29):
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Speaker: it up, shoot the snake, do whatever you're doing. (31:32):
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Speaker: That makes sense. (31:34):
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Speaker: So yep. (31:34):
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Speaker: Well, Roy, we had one talking about Where's Roy and Joplin? (31:37):
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Speaker: Here's one from Greg. (31:40):
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Speaker: It a nice long letter. (31:42):
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Speaker: And he talks about when he ran (31:43):
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Speaker: And the police told him get a gun. (31:51):
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Speaker: So that was probably a good idea. (31:53):
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Speaker: But anyway, one quick question, (31:55):
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Speaker: Brent, on this podcast, I (31:56):
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Speaker: figured out you must live in (31:58):
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Speaker: Indiana. (31:59):
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Speaker: Yes I do. (32:00):
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Speaker: And I noticed you have Indiana shaped plaques on the wall (32:01):
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Speaker: behind you than you mentioned wards in Indiana. (32:04):
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Speaker: I have similar shaped plaques that I was awarded when I was (32:06):
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Speaker: chosen for the fight of the year way back in the nineties. (32:09):
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Speaker: And see, I'm old. (32:11):
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Speaker: My question, if you are able and comfortable answering is where (32:12):
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Speaker: are you located? (32:16):
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Speaker: Indiana. (32:17):
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Speaker: I'm in Goshen in north central Indiana. (32:18):
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Speaker: Anyway, that's Doctor Greg. (32:19):
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Speaker: I'm in the Indianapolis area. (32:21):
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Speaker: So you're up in the north part? (32:22):
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Speaker: Goshen, Indiana. (32:24):
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Speaker: That's in the heart of Amish country. (32:26):
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Speaker: And I believe it's Goshen where (32:28):
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Speaker: they have an actual hitching (32:30):
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Speaker: post for all the buggies outside (32:32):
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Speaker: the Walmart. (32:34):
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Speaker: So it's it's it's quite a thing. (32:34):
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Speaker: I've been to Goshen a number of (32:37):
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Speaker: central Indiana. (32:39):
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Speaker: We just got done with the Indy (32:40):
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Speaker: central Indiana into a giant (32:45):
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Speaker: party. (32:46):
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Speaker: And so yeah, so anyway, if you're in the Indianapolis area (32:47):
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Speaker: and you happen to run into a guy with a weird mustache and (32:50):
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Speaker: talking about guns, that's probably going to be me. (32:53):
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Speaker: So anyway, any thoughts Roy? (32:56):
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Speaker: Not much really to comment on, I guess, other than the hitching (32:59):
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Speaker: post outside the Walmart. (33:02):
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Speaker: But but you know, I met a lot of people over the years. (33:03):
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Speaker: Tap tap, tap behind me and I'll turn around. (33:10):
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Speaker: A guy will say, excuse me, sir, are you Roy Huntington from (33:12):
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Speaker: American Handgunner magazine or something like that? (33:15):
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Speaker: And so I've met dozens and dozens of people over the years, (33:17):
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Speaker: and everybody has been unfailingly nice and polite. (33:20):
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Speaker: And, you know, it's like if you walk the floor of the NRA show, (33:25):
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Speaker: which is a consumer show, right? (33:29):
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Speaker: So I'm always there's people stop all the time. (33:30):
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Speaker: They say, hey, Roy, how are you, boy, I read your stuff. (33:34):
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Speaker: I've been reading since I was twelve years old. (33:36):
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Speaker: It's like, yeah, okay, thanks. (33:38):
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Speaker: okay, can I have a picture with (33:41):
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Speaker: And it's always heartwarming. (33:44):
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Speaker: Well, I know Roy's exact same way. (34:02):
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Speaker: We're not doing this for the fame and notoriety. (34:04):
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Speaker: We just do it because we enjoy doing it. (34:07):
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Speaker: And it allows us to make money doing it. (34:09):
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Speaker: And so it's just fun, but it is always intriguing. (34:11):
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Speaker: And it's a little awkward for me (34:15):
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Speaker: when, hey, I you're the guy on (34:17):
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Speaker: the podcast. (34:18):
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Speaker: Yeah, I really enjoy that. (34:19):
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Speaker: That's very flattering. (34:20):
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Speaker: It's very heartwarming. (34:21):
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Speaker: But I'm kind of like, oh, shucks, gee, gee whiz. (34:23):
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Speaker: But one thing I was going to say, Roy, and I'm sure Joe Rogan (34:25):
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Speaker: And you know, if it's not, they'll go, what in the hell are (35:07):
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Speaker: But yeah, I'm sure you've had (35:16):
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Speaker: He's frequently mistaken for him, and they are friends. (35:39):
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Speaker: Hi. This is addressed to Roy. (36:02):
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Speaker: In response to episode three twenty four, which is the real (36:03):
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Speaker: cost of gunsmithing he had, I took my great grandfather's (36:06):
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Speaker: Winchester ninety four to Gary Reeder custom guns. (36:09):
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Speaker: Turns out there was nothing wrong with it. (36:13):
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Speaker: No bueno. (36:15):
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Speaker: Just kind of paraphrasing here. (36:16):
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Speaker: We're we're familiar with them, (36:24):
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Speaker: is just that idea that we talked about in the podcast, that if (36:37):
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Speaker: So I know you have a lot of (36:50):
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