Witness a heartfelt voyage into the essence of healing, as my sister Melinda Lawless-Coker joins me to unveil the layers of our unique mental health and wellness practices. Together, we trace her transformation from a family therapist to a psychologist with a deep focus on psychodrama and energy healing techniques, including Reiki and crystal therapy. Through our candid dialogue, you'll discover the profound impact of psychodrama's dynamic approach, designed to unearth and release emotional blockages. But our conversation is more than a clinical discourse; it's a warm recollection of our educational pursuits fueled by our mother's dream, and the birth of The Transformation Project, Hemp Del Soul, and Crystals Del Soul. Melinda and I proudly reveal our individual contributions to our ever-expanding wellness enterprise, painting a picture of passion interwoven with purpose.
As we reflect on our three-decade milestone at the Davie location, we celebrate the blossoming of a humble venture into a hub of healing, offering everything from CBD to herbal remedies. There's an intimate touch as we share stories that connect us to the mystical allure of crystals, with Melinda speaking on the visceral energy she feels and me sharing the grounding influence of my wolf crystal necklace. Stepping out of our professional roles, we delve into the layers of our personal lives—Melinda's treasured moments with her daughter and my adventures as an empty nester savoring grandparenthood. As the episode reaches its crescendo, we engage in a compelling discourse on the art of family dynamics, emotional intelligence in parenting, and the transformative power of pausing to listen—inviting our listeners to embrace the dance of communication that enriches our relationships and nurtures our souls.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Hemp Del Sol podcast.
All health, no high.
Here's your host, Mary LisaLawless.
Jeremy (00:14):
Hello, hello everyone, and welcome back to another
episode of the Hemp Del Solpodcast.
I'm your cohost, Jeremy Wolfe,and today I'm joined by your
host, Mary Lisa Lawless, and avery special guest, her sister
Melinda Lawless-Coker, who'sjoining us today to kind of, I
guess we're trying to bring herinto the fold, because what you
(00:36):
ladies do is offer this holistic, total body approach to mental
health and wellness, and Melindabrings another component to
what you do.
So I wanted to set the stagefor her and have her talk a
little bit about her backgroundand kind of introduce herself,
and we can get into some ofthese wonderful topics moving
(00:58):
forward.
So, ladies, always a pleasure.
Marilisa (01:01):
And first off, we're women.
Sometimes we're ladies,sometimes we're not, but we're
always women.
Jeremy (01:08):
So women, always a pleasure to see Women, yes,
there you go.
So I think I feel like I'm infor the double trouble today.
Now you're gals, right, youguys are going to do a number on
me.
I've got plenty of problems.
I've been through the ringer,44 years old, just figuring
things out or starting to figurethings out.
So let's get into this.
(01:29):
Melinda, tell us a little bitabout your background and what
you do to kind of, I guess, addto Hemdell Sol and the business
over there, I know, and thebusiness is the transformation
project as well Hemdell Sol andthe transformation project,
right?
Marilisa (01:45):
Yeah, all right, and crystals Delsol at this point.
Growing daily growing, growing,growing.
Melinda (01:52):
Yeah, so originally I became a family therapist long,
long time ago, like almost 33years ago.
It was a very long time ago forme.
We went to school together.
Oh yeah, we got to sit closewhen we were cold, we walked
around campus and could holdhands.
(02:12):
You know, because we weresisters we still are we don't
hold hands as much.
That's true, I could hold yourhand right now.
Jeremy (02:22):
My handholding is important?
Melinda (02:23):
Yes, it is it is.
And so I entered the field as afamily therapist and then
eventually became a psychologistand also, I guess between those
, I became a addictionsprofessional.
So, and then I went intopsychodrama and psychodrama.
(02:44):
Psychodrama.
Jeremy (02:46):
Please elaborate Psychodrama.
What is psychodrama?
Melinda (02:50):
Psychodrama is mostly it's doing things in action and
it's an opportunity to kind ofexplore something in action and
I talk with my hand, so itreally helps to do psychodrama.
Role play came from psychodrama.
Did it really, and there's allkinds of exercises and other
(03:12):
kinds of things that I do withpsychodrama, and I guess there's
actually there could be a wholeseparate series of podcasts,
which I'm hoping to get into atsome point, that are focused
more specifically on that, andit also includes energy healing
kinds of practices.
So that's for me.
(03:33):
That's part of it is that theenergy is moving and we're
literally moving, meaning thatwe're standing up and moving,
and I've adapted, of course,what I do with psychodrama for
people that are not able tostand up and move, but we can
still move in some way and dosome kind of physical activity
(03:54):
or exercise.
So that's part of it.
There's there's a lot more Icould share, but that's, that's
a good start.
Jeremy (04:01):
So the energy healing is the Reiki right.
Melinda (04:04):
That's part of it.
There's there's lots of thingsthat could be called energy
healing.
Jeremy (04:08):
OK.
Melinda (04:09):
And even what we do in terms of therapy is a process of
moving energy, moving theenergy around different issues
and different concerns thatpeople have.
Working with the crystals isanother way to look at the
energy and and use the energytap into it for healing.
(04:29):
So there's there's actually anumber of different ways that we
do energy focused work.
Jeremy (04:36):
So for the psychodrama, I'm trying to get a handle on
this.
So this would be normally, whenpeople think of therapy, you go
and sit with your therapist,sit on the couch, you have a
conversation.
So this would be moreinteractive, kind of acting out
and releasing some of the, Iguess, stuck energies that you
have.
I actually participated insomething.
I'm not sure if you heard aboutthis.
Have you ever heard of P3?
Melinda (04:59):
No, not offhand, not right away.
Jeremy (05:01):
So I can't.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head what it what it stands
for, but it was a weekend I wentto with a group of people and
it was a super intensive Form oftherapy where you do act out
and you unleash all youremotions crying, screaming and
yelling, you do role play, allthis kind of stuff.
It was extremely intense andpowerful, very experienced, and
(05:22):
that your explanation of thepsychotherapy reminded me of
that experience, because it wasessentially psychotherapy.
Marilisa (05:29):
So I'm surprised, you haven't heard about that.
Jeremy (05:30):
I'll have to get some more information about P3.
So when did you, ladies women?
Marilisa (05:39):
Good catch.
Jeremy (05:42):
When did you join forces and link up together?
Talk a little bit about kind ofthe evolution of the
transformation project Hempto'ssoul, crystal's soul and how all
of this came together.
I know, mary Lisa, you've hadbackground with your family, in
therapy, initially with yoursister.
Talk about the evolution andhow you kind of landed where
you're at today.
Marilisa (06:05):
You know I can talk about the transformation project
Our mom led the way, Mary Ann,I mean.
She was like fathers and sonshave been doing business
together why can't mothers anddaughters?
And so we were in graduateschool in the late 80s, and with
her too, and yeah, she wasthere.
She was one year ahead of usbut, coming from different paths
(06:28):
, we all ended up in the sameplace.
So it was kind of cool.
And you know, I guess it wasMelinda who was in on getting
our first space for renting here, where we still are.
You know we're renting over 30years now, but you know that
that was you who you know wentwith her to do that.
Melinda (06:49):
So, yeah, right out of graduate school, which was cool,
that was unusual at the time.
Usually, when you finishgraduate school, there's a time
period where we have to just payyour dues, work in the field
and then eventually, maybeyou'll go private.
But it was.
It was nice to be able to startright away, and my mom our mom
was ready to do that too.
Marilisa (07:08):
So yeah, and we all did have full-time jobs.
But we started with thetransformation project and we
each had one client, you know.
But we rented a bay and we setit up and we did support groups
and just did a lot of educationin the community and that kind
of stuff.
But most of our first clientscame from 12-step rooms, from
(07:30):
people with substance abuseissues that were looking for
therapy.
Um, not just a 12-step program,a support group.
You know, they were looking forsomething more than that, and
All three of us had verydifferent styles, mm-hmm.
So that worked out really well,you know.
Also I mean I I've said itbefore when people are trying to
figure out some of thedifferences with how we think or
(07:52):
how we are, you know, mybachelor's is in photography and
sculpting, I have a bfa, hersis in chemistry correct and went
into the air force and, youknow, working in Intel and yeah
military, intelligence, military, more on.
Jeremy (08:11):
I think I think it's super important To have all of
these different perspectives,because people people get stuck
in their own biases and theirown prejudices and you don't
know what you don't know andfrom what you're doing in terms
of trying to help people heal,you bring different perspectives
, different journeys to thetable, and I think that's really
really powerful to have that.
(08:33):
So.
So let's go back 30 years.
How long have you been at thelocation in Davey?
33 years you've been at thatlocation and David for 33 years.
Marilisa (08:46):
Yeah, and we we thought that it was really
important to To maintain thesame space so that people could
always find us again.
And we have obviously grown,you know, with having the retail
store and doing the CBD and thecrystals and the energy healing
and I mean or and being anherbalist and you know we've
(09:08):
added so many layers to what itis we do.
We're always trying to stayrelevant and keep keep looking,
keep trying to figure out how tohelp people heal in the best
way.
And Melinda is actually kind offunny because she has a much
stronger response to crystals.
Then I do energetically.
I think it's funny.
(09:29):
She's like oh, get that oneaway from me.
Like that one, that's you knowyeah, so she's, yeah, you're a
lot more connected energetically.
Jeremy (09:40):
Speaking of crystals, you're just reminding me I'm not
wearing my trusty wolf.
Your wolf, my wolf crystalnecklace is at bay, and I feel
like I'm missing something.
It definitely does have agrounding effect on me, for sure
, for sure.
So what do you?
Shift gears for a minute,melinda?
What do you like to do for funwhen you're not working?
(10:03):
What do you like to do in yourdowntime?
Melinda (10:05):
uh, what shows Do you cross?
Do crosswords?
I'm I'm actually more of anintrovert and I send this is a
psychodrama idea too I send myextrovert itself here to do this
and to Perform or dopsychodrama things.
My introvert itself prefers tobe at home doing those other
(10:28):
things.
She also has a little one.
I have a yeah, well she's,she's nine.
Jeremy (10:33):
I have a nine year old son, so we have that yeah.
Marilisa (10:39):
Yeah, she has a nine year old daughter.
Melinda (10:43):
Yeah, she's in several different activities, so I get
to go to those things and that'sfun too, you know.
She's in the chorus and hasdone performances and it's nice
to be able to see that.
And she's in sports.
You know there's I could.
Marilisa (10:58):
I could spend time talking about her and basketball
, and basketball.
But yeah, so she's.
She's in a different, you know,and I'm an empty nester with
grandkids.
My oldest grandson is the sameage as her daughter.
Melinda (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, we started a little late.
Jeremy (11:15):
So you mentioned about introvert versus extrovert.
I think I'm very much the sameMm.
Hmm, One might not think I doall these podcasts and
everything, but I mean it really.
It kind of makes me feel likeI'm outgoing extroverted life of
(11:36):
the party and then other timesI just want to stay in my own
little corner and, you know,read or just be in, be to my own
devices.
So I don't, I think.
I think a lot of people areprobably like that to some
degree.
I think it's just part of partof the ride.
Marilisa (11:50):
Right, yeah, and we're .
Jeremy (11:51):
There's my little extrovert itself the stream.
Marilisa (11:54):
Well I went to the stream and stream yard.
Who does the recording for thiswas there and I asked them for
it.
One of their ducks, so theygave me one.
So this is our little shout outto our, our production crew
(12:15):
there.
That was my little commercial,commercial break, yeah, so go
ahead.
Jeremy (12:22):
Oh no, I wanted, I want to ask you, I like, I like
asking this question goingforward.
Is there something that comesto mind?
Uh, life, hardship or challenge, something that you, you,
struggled with along the way,that you could say that you're,
I don't know, better off forhaving experienced, or maybe it
was like at the finding momentfor you what?
Melinda (12:45):
comes to mind.
Well, actually there probablywill be many.
The one I'm going to pick outis from a psychodrama I did.
Part of the process of gettingtraining in psychodrama was to
use our own issues.
So it was a psychodrama aboutmy issue and one of them that I
(13:05):
did was about my brother, eddie,our brother Eddie, who had died
, and while my mom was stillalive and I asked essentially in
the drama, I asked him to watchout for our mom because she was
having some health issues andit was very difficult for us
(13:25):
it's difficult for us to ask Uh,I asked him to do that, to
watch out for her.
And maybe a month or so later Iwas having a conversation with
our mom that just the two of uswho were talking, and she
mentioned to me that she'd beentalking a lot more to Eddie, our
(13:47):
brother who had died, and I wasjust like wow, you know,
because I had asked him in thepsychodrama.
That was very hard for me andso that was actually happening
in the sense that she was nowtalking to him a lot more and,
uh, that just felt like just uh,you know, like wow, because I
(14:15):
didn't tell her about the drama.
That was definitely a definingmoment, a very spiritual
experience, to hear that fromher.
I find psychodrama to be a veryspiritual process for me and
when I heard that from herunsolicited, you know, she just
volunteered and started tellingme about it I was like, oh my
goodness, wow.
(14:35):
So that was definitely adefining moment for me.
Jeremy (14:41):
Yeah, that's pretty wild and it seems things like that
happened from time to time,these unexplained occurrences,
and it really gives rise to howmuch we don't know about this
world and this life.
And like we always say, maryLisa, we're all energy right.
We are, we are Absolutely andwe pick up on things and just
(15:02):
these things happen sometimesand it just seems like there's a
greater design or a reason forall this.
Marilisa (15:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's why we offer some of the classes
that we're offering.
We're offering Reiki classesnow the second Thursday of every
month.
Here in our space I have amedium, Maurice Israel.
He works here on the weekends.
Oh he's amazing.
And he is absolutely amazing.
And we just and we're bringingin other healers to offer a full
(15:31):
spectrum, not just fullspectrum CBD, but full spectrum
with healing, healing capacity,think the way, because everybody
heals differently.
So there's some people thatwould heal.
Some of you know, hear some ofthis stuff that we say and
they're like okay, and we knowthat we need to just deal with
them on a more grounded level.
(15:52):
You know more 3D, so there areso many different ways for the
human mind to heal.
But at the end of the day, weall have to work on our healing.
If we're going to make theworld a better place, we've got
to find ways to be kinder, tojust share more love and to be
tolerant of difference.
You know the two of us are verydifferent, you know, but at our
(16:14):
base we love.
We love each other and you knowwe spend time together outside
of here, you know, outside ofwork.
You know, but we're verydifferent people.
But it is about tolerance andbeing kind.
Jeremy (16:27):
Absolutely.
You have always envisioned, asyou know, I've been into similar
spaces on my journey.
I've explored psychedelics and,like I said, the P3 therapy
that I was actually trying tolook online to find it but I
couldn't look at anything rightnow.
But all of this stuff I also do, as you know ice baths I do, I
work on, I do the breath work,the meditation, all this stuff.
(16:48):
I envision a center somewhereright that encompasses all of
these different mobilities andall of these ways that you could
kind of build the communitywith like-minded folks to better
yourself on this grand journeythat we're all on together,
because that's what it's allabout, right.
Marilisa (17:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
And to not try to pigeonholepeople to do one way of doing
things, because everybody isdifferent.
Different strokes, differentstrokes.
Melinda (17:16):
That's a good song too it is, but yeah, I mean we've
come from.
Marilisa (17:22):
I mean we're only a year apart in the age.
You know so we had a lot ofshared experiences growing up
and it's really model.
You know it's created the womenthat we are today and you know
that in our practice and ourlives as friends and sisters and
family, you know I mean it's.
(17:43):
It is a really great colleagues, yeah, being able to move
forward on a regular basistogether.
And you know we definefunctional versus dysfunctional
families as the ability to comeback to the table.
Functional families come backto the table like that, the
dysfunctional retreat to theirown corners and like whatever
(18:06):
the walls go up, yeah, and theynever communicate again.
Jeremy (18:09):
Yeah, it's so.
Communication is so fundamentaland important, right?
We get tied up in the emotionsof any given situation and it's
fine if you get overwhelmed withemotion.
What I tend to do if I getfrustrated, especially around my
children, I'll just say daddyneeds to take a break for a
second, I'm going to go calmmyself down, that's good, and I
come back.
And no, because you can't.
You can't communicateeffectively when you're raging.
(18:30):
You know when your nine yearold does something to just
infuriate you.
You got to, you got to take astep back, take a couple of
breaths and they get it.
They're like okay cool Daddy'sgoing to go chill out.
Melinda (18:41):
I call that a daddy, I call that you stepping into the
daddy changer.
Marilisa (18:45):
Yeah, I like the tools she uses, as the mommy changer
or the daddy changer, you know,give yourself a time out.
Jeremy (18:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, ladies, you know I lovethe work that you're doing, you
know doing wonderful things forthe community and I'm always
happy to share and learn more.
And, you know, continue thisfabulous journey together.
Marilisa (19:07):
Absolutely Yep.
Glad to know you, Jeremy.
Yeah, thank you.
I like your energy.
Jeremy (19:15):
Thank you, I work hard at it.
Sometimes, when I'm when I'mbeing intro, when I'm being,
when I'm extroverted, it comesout easily when I'm feeling
myself.
But there are, like I said,there are times where it's, you
know, like I don't know.
You get into some socialsettings sometimes and you get a
little socially awkward.
I mean, I do, I don't knowabout no, I do, we all do, and
(19:36):
yep it just.
It's part of being human andyou have to understand that and
it's okay, and sometimes silenceis golden.
Marilisa (19:44):
Yeah sometimes that's why I like the silent retreats.
Jeremy (19:50):
I'm still.
I still have that on my to dolist.
Marilisa (19:54):
Good.
Jeremy (19:54):
I'm going to get into that one day.
You're going to hold me to that, okay.
Marilisa (20:00):
Yes, I will All right, very cool.
Jeremy (20:02):
All right, ladies, have a wonderful day.
Always a pleasure seeing youNice.
Well, actually, I say seeingyou a nice, meeting you.
Melinda, it's the first time inthe frostbaths and it will not
be the last.
Melinda (20:11):
I look forward to seeing you again, okay.
Jeremy (20:14):
And thanks to our listeners for tuning in and we
will catch everyone next time.
Take care.
Marilisa (20:19):
Bye, bye, bye.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
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Welcome to the Hemp Del Sol podcast.
All health, no high.
Here's your host, Mary LisaLawless.
Jeremy (00:14):
Hello, hello everyone, and welcome back to another
episode of the Hemp Del Solpodcast.
I'm your cohost, Jeremy Wolfe,and today I'm joined by your
host, Mary Lisa Lawless, and avery special guest, her sister
Melinda Lawless-Coker, who'sjoining us today to kind of, I
guess we're trying to bring herinto the fold, because what you
(00:36):
ladies do is offer this holistic, total body approach to mental
health and wellness, and Melindabrings another component to
what you do.
So I wanted to set the stagefor her and have her talk a
little bit about her backgroundand kind of introduce herself,
and we can get into some ofthese wonderful topics moving
(00:58):
forward.
So, ladies, always a pleasure.
Marilisa (01:01):
And first off, we're women.
Sometimes we're ladies,sometimes we're not, but we're
always women.
Jeremy (01:08):
So women, always a pleasure to see Women, yes,
there you go.
So I think I feel like I'm infor the double trouble today.
Now you're gals, right, youguys are going to do a number on
me.
I've got plenty of problems.
I've been through the ringer,44 years old, just figuring
things out or starting to figurethings out.
So let's get into this.
(01:29):
Melinda, tell us a little bitabout your background and what
you do to kind of, I guess, addto Hemdell Sol and the business
over there, I know, and thebusiness is the transformation
project as well Hemdell Sol andthe transformation project,
right?
Marilisa (01:45):
Yeah, all right, and crystals Delsol at this point.
Growing daily growing, growing,growing.
Melinda (01:52):
Yeah, so originally I became a family therapist long,
long time ago, like almost 33years ago.
It was a very long time ago forme.
We went to school together.
Oh yeah, we got to sit closewhen we were cold, we walked
around campus and could holdhands.
(02:12):
You know, because we weresisters we still are we don't
hold hands as much.
That's true, I could hold yourhand right now.
Jeremy (02:22):
My handholding is important?
Melinda (02:23):
Yes, it is it is.
And so I entered the field as afamily therapist and then
eventually became a psychologistand also, I guess between those
, I became a addictionsprofessional.
So, and then I went intopsychodrama and psychodrama.
(02:44):
Psychodrama.
Jeremy (02:46):
Please elaborate Psychodrama.
What is psychodrama?
Melinda (02:50):
Psychodrama is mostly it's doing things in action and
it's an opportunity to kind ofexplore something in action and
I talk with my hand, so itreally helps to do psychodrama.
Role play came from psychodrama.
Did it really, and there's allkinds of exercises and other
(03:12):
kinds of things that I do withpsychodrama, and I guess there's
actually there could be a wholeseparate series of podcasts,
which I'm hoping to get into atsome point, that are focused
more specifically on that, andit also includes energy healing
kinds of practices.
So that's for me.
(03:33):
That's part of it is that theenergy is moving and we're
literally moving, meaning thatwe're standing up and moving,
and I've adapted, of course,what I do with psychodrama for
people that are not able tostand up and move, but we can
still move in some way and dosome kind of physical activity
(03:54):
or exercise.
So that's part of it.
There's there's a lot more Icould share, but that's, that's
a good start.
Jeremy (04:01):
So the energy healing is the Reiki right.
Melinda (04:04):
That's part of it.
There's there's lots of thingsthat could be called energy
healing.
Jeremy (04:08):
OK.
Melinda (04:09):
And even what we do in terms of therapy is a process of
moving energy, moving theenergy around different issues
and different concerns thatpeople have.
Working with the crystals isanother way to look at the
energy and and use the energytap into it for healing.
(04:29):
So there's there's actually anumber of different ways that we
do energy focused work.
Jeremy (04:36):
So for the psychodrama, I'm trying to get a handle on
this.
So this would be normally, whenpeople think of therapy, you go
and sit with your therapist,sit on the couch, you have a
conversation.
So this would be moreinteractive, kind of acting out
and releasing some of the, Iguess, stuck energies that you
have.
I actually participated insomething.
I'm not sure if you heard aboutthis.
Have you ever heard of P3?
Melinda (04:59):
No, not offhand, not right away.
Jeremy (05:01):
So I can't.
I can't remember off the top ofmy head what it what it stands
for, but it was a weekend I wentto with a group of people and
it was a super intensive Form oftherapy where you do act out
and you unleash all youremotions crying, screaming and
yelling, you do role play, allthis kind of stuff.
It was extremely intense andpowerful, very experienced, and
(05:22):
that your explanation of thepsychotherapy reminded me of
that experience, because it wasessentially psychotherapy.
Marilisa (05:29):
So I'm surprised, you haven't heard about that.
Jeremy (05:30):
I'll have to get some more information about P3.
So when did you, ladies women?
Marilisa (05:39):
Good catch.
Jeremy (05:42):
When did you join forces and link up together?
Talk a little bit about kind ofthe evolution of the
transformation project Hempto'ssoul, crystal's soul and how all
of this came together.
I know, mary Lisa, you've hadbackground with your family, in
therapy, initially with yoursister.
Talk about the evolution andhow you kind of landed where
you're at today.
Marilisa (06:05):
You know I can talk about the transformation project
Our mom led the way, Mary Ann,I mean.
She was like fathers and sonshave been doing business
together why can't mothers anddaughters?
And so we were in graduateschool in the late 80s, and with
her too, and yeah, she wasthere.
She was one year ahead of usbut, coming from different paths
(06:28):
, we all ended up in the sameplace.
So it was kind of cool.
And you know, I guess it wasMelinda who was in on getting
our first space for renting here, where we still are.
You know we're renting over 30years now, but you know that
that was you who you know wentwith her to do that.
Melinda (06:49):
So, yeah, right out of graduate school, which was cool,
that was unusual at the time.
Usually, when you finishgraduate school, there's a time
period where we have to just payyour dues, work in the field
and then eventually, maybeyou'll go private.
But it was.
It was nice to be able to startright away, and my mom our mom
was ready to do that too.
Marilisa (07:08):
So yeah, and we all did have full-time jobs.
But we started with thetransformation project and we
each had one client, you know.
But we rented a bay and we setit up and we did support groups
and just did a lot of educationin the community and that kind
of stuff.
But most of our first clientscame from 12-step rooms, from
(07:30):
people with substance abuseissues that were looking for
therapy.
Um, not just a 12-step program,a support group.
You know, they were looking forsomething more than that, and
All three of us had verydifferent styles, mm-hmm.
So that worked out really well,you know.
Also I mean I I've said itbefore when people are trying to
figure out some of thedifferences with how we think or
(07:52):
how we are, you know, mybachelor's is in photography and
sculpting, I have a bfa, hersis in chemistry correct and went
into the air force and, youknow, working in Intel and yeah
military, intelligence, military, more on.
Jeremy (08:11):
I think I think it's super important To have all of
these different perspectives,because people people get stuck
in their own biases and theirown prejudices and you don't
know what you don't know andfrom what you're doing in terms
of trying to help people heal,you bring different perspectives
, different journeys to thetable, and I think that's really
really powerful to have that.
(08:33):
So.
So let's go back 30 years.
How long have you been at thelocation in Davey?
33 years you've been at thatlocation and David for 33 years.
Marilisa (08:46):
Yeah, and we we thought that it was really
important to To maintain thesame space so that people could
always find us again.
And we have obviously grown,you know, with having the retail
store and doing the CBD and thecrystals and the energy healing
and I mean or and being anherbalist and you know we've
(09:08):
added so many layers to what itis we do.
We're always trying to stayrelevant and keep keep looking,
keep trying to figure out how tohelp people heal in the best
way.
And Melinda is actually kind offunny because she has a much
stronger response to crystals.
Then I do energetically.
I think it's funny.
(09:29):
She's like oh, get that oneaway from me.
Like that one, that's you knowyeah, so she's, yeah, you're a
lot more connected energetically.
Jeremy (09:40):
Speaking of crystals, you're just reminding me I'm not
wearing my trusty wolf.
Your wolf, my wolf crystalnecklace is at bay, and I feel
like I'm missing something.
It definitely does have agrounding effect on me, for sure
, for sure.
So what do you?
Shift gears for a minute,melinda?
What do you like to do for funwhen you're not working?
(10:03):
What do you like to do in yourdowntime?
Melinda (10:05):
uh, what shows Do you cross?
Do crosswords?
I'm I'm actually more of anintrovert and I send this is a
psychodrama idea too I send myextrovert itself here to do this
and to Perform or dopsychodrama things.
My introvert itself prefers tobe at home doing those other
(10:28):
things.
She also has a little one.
I have a yeah, well she's,she's nine.
Jeremy (10:33):
I have a nine year old son, so we have that yeah.
Marilisa (10:39):
Yeah, she has a nine year old daughter.
Melinda (10:43):
Yeah, she's in several different activities, so I get
to go to those things and that'sfun too, you know.
She's in the chorus and hasdone performances and it's nice
to be able to see that.
And she's in sports.
You know there's I could.
Marilisa (10:58):
I could spend time talking about her and basketball
, and basketball.
But yeah, so she's.
She's in a different, you know,and I'm an empty nester with
grandkids.
My oldest grandson is the sameage as her daughter.
Melinda (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, we started a little late.
Jeremy (11:15):
So you mentioned about introvert versus extrovert.
I think I'm very much the sameMm.
Hmm, One might not think I doall these podcasts and
everything, but I mean it really.
It kind of makes me feel likeI'm outgoing extroverted life of
(11:36):
the party and then other timesI just want to stay in my own
little corner and, you know,read or just be in, be to my own
devices.
So I don't, I think.
I think a lot of people areprobably like that to some
degree.
I think it's just part of partof the ride.
Marilisa (11:50):
Right, yeah, and we're .
Jeremy (11:51):
There's my little extrovert itself the stream.
Marilisa (11:54):
Well I went to the stream and stream yard.
Who does the recording for thiswas there and I asked them for
it.
One of their ducks, so theygave me one.
So this is our little shout outto our, our production crew
(12:15):
there.
That was my little commercial,commercial break, yeah, so go
ahead.
Jeremy (12:22):
Oh no, I wanted, I want to ask you, I like, I like
asking this question goingforward.
Is there something that comesto mind?
Uh, life, hardship or challenge, something that you, you,
struggled with along the way,that you could say that you're,
I don't know, better off forhaving experienced, or maybe it
was like at the finding momentfor you what?
Melinda (12:45):
comes to mind.
Well, actually there probablywill be many.
The one I'm going to pick outis from a psychodrama I did.
Part of the process of gettingtraining in psychodrama was to
use our own issues.
So it was a psychodrama aboutmy issue and one of them that I
(13:05):
did was about my brother, eddie,our brother Eddie, who had died
, and while my mom was stillalive and I asked essentially in
the drama, I asked him to watchout for our mom because she was
having some health issues andit was very difficult for us
(13:25):
it's difficult for us to ask Uh,I asked him to do that, to
watch out for her.
And maybe a month or so later Iwas having a conversation with
our mom that just the two of uswho were talking, and she
mentioned to me that she'd beentalking a lot more to Eddie, our
(13:47):
brother who had died, and I wasjust like wow, you know,
because I had asked him in thepsychodrama.
That was very hard for me andso that was actually happening
in the sense that she was nowtalking to him a lot more and,
uh, that just felt like just uh,you know, like wow, because I
(14:15):
didn't tell her about the drama.
That was definitely a definingmoment, a very spiritual
experience, to hear that fromher.
I find psychodrama to be a veryspiritual process for me and
when I heard that from herunsolicited, you know, she just
volunteered and started tellingme about it I was like, oh my
goodness, wow.
(14:35):
So that was definitely adefining moment for me.
Jeremy (14:41):
Yeah, that's pretty wild and it seems things like that
happened from time to time,these unexplained occurrences,
and it really gives rise to howmuch we don't know about this
world and this life.
And like we always say, maryLisa, we're all energy right.
We are, we are Absolutely andwe pick up on things and just
(15:02):
these things happen sometimesand it just seems like there's a
greater design or a reason forall this.
Marilisa (15:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's why we offer some of the classes
that we're offering.
We're offering Reiki classesnow the second Thursday of every
month.
Here in our space I have amedium, Maurice Israel.
He works here on the weekends.
Oh he's amazing.
And he is absolutely amazing.
And we just and we're bringingin other healers to offer a full
(15:31):
spectrum, not just fullspectrum CBD, but full spectrum
with healing, healing capacity,think the way, because everybody
heals differently.
So there's some people thatwould heal.
Some of you know, hear some ofthis stuff that we say and
they're like okay, and we knowthat we need to just deal with
them on a more grounded level.
(15:52):
You know more 3D, so there areso many different ways for the
human mind to heal.
But at the end of the day, weall have to work on our healing.
If we're going to make theworld a better place, we've got
to find ways to be kinder, tojust share more love and to be
tolerant of difference.
You know the two of us are verydifferent, you know, but at our
(16:14):
base we love.
We love each other and you knowwe spend time together outside
of here, you know, outside ofwork.
You know, but we're verydifferent people.
But it is about tolerance andbeing kind.
Jeremy (16:27):
Absolutely.
You have always envisioned, asyou know, I've been into similar
spaces on my journey.
I've explored psychedelics and,like I said, the P3 therapy
that I was actually trying tolook online to find it but I
couldn't look at anything rightnow.
But all of this stuff I also do, as you know ice baths I do, I
work on, I do the breath work,the meditation, all this stuff.
(16:48):
I envision a center somewhereright that encompasses all of
these different mobilities andall of these ways that you could
kind of build the communitywith like-minded folks to better
yourself on this grand journeythat we're all on together,
because that's what it's allabout, right.
Marilisa (17:03):
Yeah, absolutely.
And to not try to pigeonholepeople to do one way of doing
things, because everybody isdifferent.
Different strokes, differentstrokes.
Melinda (17:16):
That's a good song too it is, but yeah, I mean we've
come from.
Marilisa (17:22):
I mean we're only a year apart in the age.
You know so we had a lot ofshared experiences growing up
and it's really model.
You know it's created the womenthat we are today and you know
that in our practice and ourlives as friends and sisters and
family, you know I mean it's.
(17:43):
It is a really great colleagues, yeah, being able to move
forward on a regular basistogether.
And you know we definefunctional versus dysfunctional
families as the ability to comeback to the table.
Functional families come backto the table like that, the
dysfunctional retreat to theirown corners and like whatever
(18:06):
the walls go up, yeah, and theynever communicate again.
Jeremy (18:09):
Yeah, it's so.
Communication is so fundamentaland important, right?
We get tied up in the emotionsof any given situation and it's
fine if you get overwhelmed withemotion.
What I tend to do if I getfrustrated, especially around my
children, I'll just say daddyneeds to take a break for a
second, I'm going to go calmmyself down, that's good, and I
come back.
And no, because you can't.
You can't communicateeffectively when you're raging.
(18:30):
You know when your nine yearold does something to just
infuriate you.
You got to, you got to take astep back, take a couple of
breaths and they get it.
They're like okay cool Daddy'sgoing to go chill out.
Melinda (18:41):
I call that a daddy, I call that you stepping into the
daddy changer.
Marilisa (18:45):
Yeah, I like the tools she uses, as the mommy changer
or the daddy changer, you know,give yourself a time out.
Jeremy (18:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, ladies, you know I lovethe work that you're doing, you
know doing wonderful things forthe community and I'm always
happy to share and learn more.
And, you know, continue thisfabulous journey together.
Marilisa (19:07):
Absolutely Yep.
Glad to know you, Jeremy.
Yeah, thank you.
I like your energy.
Jeremy (19:15):
Thank you, I work hard at it.
Sometimes, when I'm when I'mbeing intro, when I'm being,
when I'm extroverted, it comesout easily when I'm feeling
myself.
But there are, like I said,there are times where it's, you
know, like I don't know.
You get into some socialsettings sometimes and you get a
little socially awkward.
I mean, I do, I don't knowabout no, I do, we all do, and
(19:36):
yep it just.
It's part of being human andyou have to understand that and
it's okay, and sometimes silenceis golden.
Marilisa (19:44):
Yeah sometimes that's why I like the silent retreats.
Jeremy (19:50):
I'm still.
I still have that on my to dolist.
Marilisa (19:54):
Good.
Jeremy (19:54):
I'm going to get into that one day.
You're going to hold me to that, okay.
Marilisa (20:00):
Yes, I will All right, very cool.
Jeremy (20:02):
All right, ladies, have a wonderful day.
Always a pleasure seeing youNice.
Well, actually, I say seeingyou a nice, meeting you.
Melinda, it's the first time inthe frostbaths and it will not
be the last.
Melinda (20:11):
I look forward to seeing you again, okay.
Jeremy (20:14):
And thanks to our listeners for tuning in and we
will catch everyone next time.
Take care.
Marilisa (20:19):
Bye, bye, bye.
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