January 3, 2026 • 37 mins
What happens when a homeschooled kid grows up, skips the “missing out” narrative, and builds a real community of motivated teens who want to create, lead, and launch?
In this episode of The Homeschool How To Podcast, I’m joined by Malcolm—a homeschooled graduate who spent years in Classical Conversations (CC) and is now the founder of Teen Mastermind, a fast-growing entrepreneurship community for teens that’s already reaching beyond the U.S.
We talk about what homeschooling was actually like from the student perspective—socialization, friendships, motivation, prom/homecoming alternatives, and why Malcolm says he didn’t miss out… he dodged a bullet. You’ll also hear a clear, simple breakdown of the classical education model (grammar, dialectic/logic, rhetoric) and how CC works week-to-week for families considering it.
Then we go deeper into the part parents don’t always know how to teach: entrepreneurship. Malcolm shares what he learned from attending business events with his family, why masterminds matter, and how being around the right people can change a teen’s trajectory.
If you’ve ever wondered:
- “Will my kids resent homeschooling?”
- “How do homeschoolers actually make friends?”
- “Is Classical Conversations worth it?”
- “How do I raise a motivated teen with real-world skills?”
…this episode is for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
I didn't plan to homeschool.
I started asking hardquestions, realized how little
control parents actually have,and made the hard decision to
leave a government job tohomeschool my kids.
Now I interview otherhomeschooling parents to learn
how this all works.
I'm Cheryl, and this is theHomeschool How to Podcast.
Let's learn this together.
Welcome.
(00:26):
And with us today, I haveMalcolm.
Malcolm, thank you for beinghere.
Speaker (00:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So you were a homeschooled kid, right?
Speaker (00:34):
Yes, I was.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
This is awesome because I remember when I first
started the podcast, like Ireally wanted to hear the
perspective of the kids.
Like all of us parents arelike, oh, I'm so nervous to
homeschool, so nervous tohomeschool.
And a lot of that is that we'reworried that like we won't give
the kids everything they needto know.
But also it's like, are thesekids gonna resent me for like
(00:56):
missing the traditional prom orfootball game?
And you know, are they gonnafind friends?
So I'm excited to talk to youtoday.
So, how long did you homeschoolfor?
Speaker (01:06):
So we started homeschooling, I think, when I
went into second grade.
Uh, and then before that, itwas kind of I went to a private
school for first grade and Ithink kind of a public school
for like kindergarten beforethat.
But even in like thekindergarten and preschool, my
parents were always there.
Like it was supposed to be likeonly one parent of like the
whole school would be there justto like keep watch.
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But my dad was always thereevery single time because he
didn't want to leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Like every day, all day?
Speaker (01:34):
Yeah, so every time we would go.
I don't think the preschool waslike every day.
He he was always there andalways wanted to make sure I was
safe and all the other kidswere safe too.
So that was cool.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
They took baby steps getting into homeschooling.
They're like, we'll try thepublic thing, and they're like,
eh, let's do private.
Speaker (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Let's just homeschool.
Speaker (01:52):
Yeah, so and I think my mom, um, I have to like verify
this with her, but I think likeshe came from uh a Russian
background, she grew up innorthern Siberia.
I might be getting that wrong,but she grew up in Russia.
Homeschooling was not a thing,and public schools were very
different.
I mean, it's nowhere near thesame as the public education
(02:12):
system in America.
And so the whole idea ofhomeschooling, I believe in
Russia, was kind of like that'skind of that's kind of weird.
That's like the typical, likewhat you think of as a
homeschooler is like that's kindof their thinking on it.
But so my mom never thoughtthat she would ever homeschool
until eventually it's likesecond grade happened.
It's like, okay, this privateschool thing isn't working.
And then finally, conversationscame into town.
(02:34):
So that homeschooling programcame in, it opened up that year,
and we decided to join it rightwhen it started.
So that's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, that's awesome.
Yes, I've had some people fromRussia on my podcast before, and
they're like, Yeah, our familythinks we're not for doing this,
it's so out of the question.
But yeah, when you know, theythe immigrants would come to
this country for like thefreedom, and and then kind of
what they're seeing now in theschools is like, oh, it's ending
up like where I left.
(03:02):
So I can totally understandwanting to kind of change the
tide there.
So did you uh what did youthink about homeschooling at
that time?
Like, were you sad to leave theregular classroom?
Speaker (03:15):
I don't really remember the transition from homes from
you know private school tohomeschooling, but I I don't
know, I just I really enjoyedit.
So I don't remember likefeeling negative about leaving
the private school.
So that was it wasn't a hugeimpact on you.
No, it wasn't a huge impact.
And yeah, our our family likereally likes to stick together.
We always go on trips together,so that was like it just kind
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of felt normal.
It's just like how it was meantto be.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, it was like a Saturday, you know?
But every day is the Saturday,as it was described to me once.
Okay, so getting into classicalconversations.
Now, why don't you kind of tellpeople what classical
conversations is, and then maybewe'll go from there and I'll
have a clue about what I'mtalking about.
Speaker (03:55):
Yeah, so my best explanation for classical
conversations, I often call itCC, that's what everyone usually
calls it.
But um, it's it gets its namefrom the classical learning
model, which is in three phases.
There's the grammar, there'sthe dialectic, sometimes called
logic phase, and then therhetoric phase.
So grammar is where you'relearning all the vocabulary, all
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of the just stuff.
It's all about memorization,learning what things are, and
not so much the you don't reallylearn so much of like the
reason behind it or like theconnection yet.
And so that's kind of the so inCC that takes place in the
foundations program, which wouldbe up until middle like school
kind of.
So um probably sixth grade andup is when you go into the next
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programs.
And so after the grammar stageis the dialectic stage or the
logic stage, and that's whereyou start learning about why
thing why the things that youjust memorized actually matter
and how they all connect.
And it's kind of learned likelearning why the information is
important and starting to putthe pieces together.
Then the rhetoric stage istaking all that information and
(05:02):
now communicating it yourself.
So that that's kind of thetheir idea of the learning, the
classical model of learning.
Vocab first, then why does ithappen?
And then teaching you how tocommunicate that in your own
words.
So that's kind of I'm probablybutchering that a little bit,
but that's kind of the idea.
And then it goes foundations islike is all the uh memorization
(05:23):
stuff, essentials gets intolike the writing.
Then there's the challengeclasses, challenge A and B are
like middle school, I think whatseventh and eighth, no, sixth
and seventh grade, eighth,eighth through twelfth grade
would be your high school years,and that's when you go to
challenge one, two, three, four,and that's where you start
getting into the dialectic orsorry rhetoric phase where
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you're learning to pull all theinformation together and create
your own works out of it.
So, and really learning how tocommunicate.
That's where debate comes in,all the essays and
presentations, all the learningabout Shakespeare and like
learning how to deliver andpresent is the big focus on the
later years of CC.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay.
And so is this like five days aweek or one day a week?
And um, where was the otherquestion I had on that?
It's only for like English,right?
So you're still doing like ascience and a math separately.
Speaker (06:14):
So CC does like all of the subjects.
Certain communities, and Ithink kind of kind of all the
communities are pretty linear onlike it's really the parents
are still the teachers.
They are still the mainteachers.
You just have a class that youconnect with once a week on in
like this community day, whichis kind of like the school day,
like kind of your traditionalschool day, but better in my
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opinion.
They have curriculum for all ofthe subjects, math, science,
languages, but mostly Latin,English, history, what else?
Like logic, all that stuff.
So they have curriculums forall of that.
Of course, it's optional forthe parents to just do something
else.
A lot of the math we did waslike different from the regular
CC curriculum.
So it's kind of they give youall the uh the information, you
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get all the books and stuff, andthey kind of have a set
curriculum, a set path.
You can choose a little bit.
So that's that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
All right.
Did you like doing it?
Speaker (07:08):
I really like doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'm looking at all of the curriculums out there.
I don't know that you'reselling this.
Really?
You're like, it's six years ofmemorization.
Yeah.
Is it better than that though?
I mean, I know there's a song,there's a 12-minute song, so
they make the memorization fun,right?
Like, did you enjoy that part?
Speaker (07:23):
Yeah, it's kind of like a funny CC joke, like inside
joke in the community.
It's like everybody is hauntedby the songs because they're all
like the you know, classicaluh, you know, children's rhyme
songs, just with historysentences of like how like the
of Columbus and all that otherstuff.
So uh I'm haunted by those alittle bit, but I I really
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enjoyed it.
I think a lot of the bigbenefits came from the later
years in high school, uh, inlike the challenge classes.
And you're actually like incomparison to public school,
like you're actually learningabout history and like what
actually happened, and you havea a pretty clear timeline of
like, oh, this is everythingthat happened in the world.
And even though, like, again,it's kind of up to you to really
(08:07):
dive into those areas if youwant to, but I mean you have a
good idea of like what happenedand what happened before you and
why things are the way it istoday.
So I really liked the lateryears in challenge, and and that
that came into that's wherelike the community really came
into play and where I really gotto connect with my other
classmates.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay.
And it meets in person, right?
Speaker (08:27):
Yeah, and that's a big thing from like other
homeschooling.
Like, if you just homeschool onyour own, you're kind of from
my understanding, you're kind ofjust stuck in your own house.
You don't really haveclassmates.
But with CC, it's like we allmet up once a week to kind of
like review and also go over thenew the curriculum for the next
week.
And that was a time for us asfriends to get together.
(08:47):
And I I just really enjoyedthat because the community and
the values that CC has broughtthe correct brought the right
people, brought the right kindof students into it.
And so I'm still friends with alot of the my classmates now.
And like I think a lot ofpeople will lose connection
after CC.
I think we'll stay connectedfor a really long time.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh, that's awesome.
What state are you in?
Speaker (09:09):
Uh, we're in Oregon.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Cool.
All right.
I don't think I've interviewedanyone from Oregon.
Do you know about yourhomeschool laws there?
Like what the reportingrequirements look like?
Speaker (09:17):
I have no clue.
Honestly.
Um, I don't think we care toomuch about the reporting stuff.
I don't know.
Like, I just I guess like ifyou're going to college
afterwards, I guess that kind ofmakes sense.
And but I mean, for us, collegeis like, why spend like so many
years at home imparting thefamily values onto your kids to
then ship them off to somewhereelse who have completely
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different values and are oftenagainst your for $300,000 for
$300,000.
And so you're gonna pay them tochange your kids' values.
Like that why?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well, so because every state has different
reporting requirements.
So, like in New York, we'reactually pretty strict.
Whether you're going to collegeor not, they you know make you
do like a um notice of intentthat you are telling the school
that you are going tohomeschool, and then you have to
write a IHIP, which is like anindividualized home instruction
plan, like of what you're gonnado for the year.
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And then every quarter you haveto report what you did and
where there can be improvements,and then there's like an
evaluation or a test at the endof the year on certain years.
So it's like, and I thoughtthat was normal until I started
talking to people from otherstates, and they're like, We
just tell them that we'rehomeschooling and that's it.
They just like want to know thekid is still breathing.
That's all yeah.
Speaker (10:30):
No, I think I've heard like New York stuff is like
really strict.
So I don't I don't think it'sas strict, you know, Oregon's a
blue state, but it's not as Idon't think it's as strict.
I like, I don't know.
I don't think we've really donetoo much with the reporting.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
As they're knocking on your door right now, excuse
me, you haven't graduated yet.
All right, so okay, so I knowthat you found, you know, a big
worry with parents is thesocialization.
You found friends throughclassical conversations.
How else did you kind of likefind friend groups and you know,
did you feel like you weremissing out at all and not being
(11:04):
in the public school?
Speaker (11:05):
I don't think I missed out at all.
I think I dodged a bullet alittle bit.
But uh the other way is I Iactually missed a lot of the
community days for CC becauseour family was going on so many
business trips.
And it was about nine years agowhen my parents decided, hey,
we don't like going on tripsseparately anymore.
One of the like either mom ordad will be away for even just
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like a few days, but they justdidn't like it.
They didn't like being apart.
And so nine years ago theydecided, hey, we are going to
take the kids, we're gonna takethe whole family on every single
business trip, no matter what.
We'll figure out a way, and youknow, if there's a will,
there's a way.
They figured it out every time.
And uh that's how I've I'vebeen able to go to a bunch of
business events and mastermindsand learn from super high-level
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entrepreneurs and talentedpeople.
And uh, but also other parentshad the same idea, and so I've
met some other teens throughthat, and I was like, wait, I'm
not the only kid who getsexposed to this entrepreneurship
stuff.
Like you guys also likebusiness?
This is cool.
So that's kind of how uh Idon't think they were aiming for
socialization.
Um, but I mean, I got to Italked to a lot of adults from
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you know going to thosemasterminds and talking to also
happen to talk to some otherteens too while I was at those
events, which is part of how theteen mastermind started as
well.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
All right, so tell us about that.
You created a company calledthe Teen Mastermind.
What is that?
Speaker (12:29):
Yeah, so on these business trips, one of the big
problems I had was when I wouldgo back home, uh, I'd be so
pumped up and excited about allthe entrepreneurship stuff, the
business stuff that I hadlearned.
But nobody else really wasinterested in it.
They I I just they just didn'tget it.
So I felt kind of like lonelyin that aspect because I didn't
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get to talk about what was likereally cool to me.
Um but I had met some teens atthese events.
But the other problem was likewe never stayed connected
afterwards, it'd be like a yearuntil like the next event, and
we'd be like, hey, what do youdo again?
Who are you?
And eventually like thathappened again and again.
And then a year and a half ago,I finally decided, hey, I'm
gonna change this.
I'm gonna create a Discordserver.
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And it was at like a familybusiness event that this guy,
Russell Brunson, hosted.
Uh, I at that event, I createda Discord server and just
decided I'm gonna invite all theteens to it, and we're gonna
have like this chat room for usto all uh communicate in during
the event and afterwards so wecan stay connected.
And so we started doing that.
It was uh it was great, andthen we had the idea, hey, let's
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do a call every single week.
And so we started doing that,kept staying connected.
We were looking forward to liketo the next events, and ever
since then, uh we actually likemade a video for Russell
Brunson, showed it to him to tryto get on his stage at the next
big funnel hacking live event,which is like his main like the
one of the biggest marketingevents in the world, has like
multi, like a few thousandpeople, a few thousand business
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owners show up there just tolearn from about marketing.
It's like a big they call itlike the rock concert for
entrepreneurs.
And so we were like, hey, whatif we try to get on stage?
And so we made a video, triedto pitch it to Russell, and he
said there are no more spots onthe main speaker list.
However, we do have somethingcalled round tables, which was
basically 60 round tables, andeach of them were hosted at uh
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were hosted by a bunch ofhigh-level entrepreneurs, and we
got to be among them as theteen mastermind table.
And it was so cool, it was sucha good opportunity to meet
other teens who came to FHL andlike tell them about the teen
mastermind, learn about likewhat they want to do if they
want to start a business.
And we did like our ownimpromptu, they gave us a room
at the event.
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They we did like an impromptuteen mastermind with like 30
teens all in a room talkingabout business and our goals and
our vision for life.
It was so fun.
Then we just did our first livein-person event for the teen
mastermind about a month ago.
We're doing another one nextmonth, and so it's just like
grown so much.
I just started it as a friendgroup, honestly, and that and
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now, like ever since then, theywere like saying, Hey, you gotta
monetize this, you gotta makeit a paid program.
So it took me a while, Ifinally did, and then now it's
really exploded after that.
So that's wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, I was trying to look him up, but because that
name sounds so familiar, but Idon't I don't think this person
that I pulled up on Instagram ishim.
So the name sounds so familiar.
So are you holding the eventsin Oregon?
Speaker (15:20):
Yeah, so uh the first event was in October in Oregon,
which was like kind of weird forlike my parents thought it was
crazy.
I mean, everyone thought it wascrazy.
Like, what do you do?
Like an 18-year-old hosting athree-day in-person event about
entrepreneurship.
That's insane.
Like, nobody does not even likea lot of business owners do
that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You're like not technically an entrepreneur yet
because you're just startingyour business with this event.
Speaker (15:44):
Yeah, and like like most business owners, I heard
this.
We had a guest speaker on oneof the teen mastermind calls.
That's another thing I forgotto mention.
We've had a bunch of guestspeakers, including Russell, and
I think we've had over 30 guestspeakers.
All of them have been like highhigh-level entrepreneurs.
They all they come on the callsand talk to the teens and give
them a bunch of advice, and it'slike a big QA.
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It's super fun.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's cool.
Speaker (16:07):
So uh one of them, Eileen Wilder, she was a guest
speaker, and she said that onlylike nine or 10%, like less than
10% of entrepreneurs ever do anin-person event.
And I was like, I want to bepart of that 10%.
So and then the first eventbeing a full three-day event in
little old Roseburg, Oregon, oflike a population of 24,000
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people, is tiny.
And my parents have never donelike they don't they've done
in-person events before, but notlike asking people to fly in to
little Roseburg, Oregon, justfor an event.
And I was like, of course,people will do that.
Why not?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So so these people came, they like paid for their
own airfare, or did you have topay for that?
Speaker (16:48):
So they they bought tickets to the event, they paid
for their plane tickets, andlike I was like half of them
were local, but another half ofthem came from out of state.
And some there was a onefamily, there's a family from f
all the way from Florida, andthere was another family, I
think, who came from like NorthCarolina or or South Carolina,
and they decided to do that likea week before the event
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happened.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
They were gonna like make it a little world schooling
trip.
Yeah.
Stuff along the way.
Now, what about the speakersthough?
Did you have to pay for theirairfare to come in?
Speaker (17:18):
Some of them, yeah.
And a lot of them, I mean, Ikind of I guess I get to take a
little bit of advantage of likeI'm young, and so like uh adults
want to like help out, andespecially like the
entrepreneurs like want to helpout the next generation, which
I'm super thankful for, and likeit's like I'm super
appreciative of it.
Um, and so a lot of them arejust like, yeah, of course I'll
do it.
And so we paid airfare for someof them, and uh it was kind of
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like a mix of like deals kindof, but they all we had a bunch
of like some of the speakers whohave been on Russell stages and
like are super in the uh superwell known in the
entrepreneurial space came andspoke at the event, which is so
cool.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, I know uh Andy Frasilla, but he might have a
few too many F bombs for likefor this kind of audience.
I could hear I well, I used tolisten to him all the time, and
I couldn't hear him as myhusband's playing it in the
workout room in the morning.
I'm like, my god, the kids arestill asleep, but that's loud.
He probably peps up a roomthough.
But that's so cool.
I mean, I I have been thinkingabout hosting a homeschooling
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event in New York.
I think we used to have one andthey don't anymore.
And I'm like, yeah, I should doit.
And I'm like, but God, thatseems overwhelming.
I don't know, or who wouldcome?
Nobody would come to it, and orwho would actually fly in to
speak at it.
And I don't know, do peoplereally want to sit there and
listen to speakers?
I don't know.
Obviously, they do, and peoplelike community, especially
nowadays after COVID.
So, all right, when you how oldare you now?
Speaker (18:40):
I'm 18 now.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
18.
So have you graduated?
Speaker (18:43):
I have graduated, yes.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
All right, did you get to graduate early?
Speaker (18:46):
I did not.
I think so.
I actually didn't do the lastyear of CC, which would have
been challenge four.
I think I didn't have any thereweren't any classmates for me
to actually have a challenge forclass with.
So my last year ofhomeschooling was kind of just
me going to business events.
Like I kind of just didn't doschooling technically, but I
mean I went to a bunch ofmasterminds and learned how to
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make money through businessesand and learned about real
estate.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So that was, you know, well, that's gotta wait
real world stuff.
Speaker (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That kind of counts.
But but I love that thatbecause like I said in the
beginning, one of parents'biggest fears is that I'm not
gonna give my kid everythingthey need to know by the time
they're 18.
And here you are, like, well, Ijust didn't do, you know, the
foreign language in my senioryear, or that trigonometry
class, or that earth scienceclass.
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What does it matter?
Like you kind of said, ifyou're not going to college,
what does it matter anyway?
You only need that stuff as astepping stone to get into the
next stepping stone for the nextstepping stone.
But if you're creating your ownmountain, you don't need the
stones to walk on.
Speaker (19:52):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
So, okay.
So the why don't you tell mewhat is a mastermind?
Is it just a round table?
Speaker (19:59):
Yeah.
So The term comes from I thinkNapoleon Hill, which was he was
like um a huge he wrote the bookThink and Grow Rich and a bunch
of other ones.
That that's like his mostpopular one.
But the term came from him, andit's the the mastermind is the
idea when two brains cometogether and they start
brainstorming ideas, and that'swhen the third mind comes out,
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which is the mastermind.
And so it's basically a placewhere people are sharing ideas
with each other all together,and that's and it's it's a
pretty popular business term aswell.
For like Russell has his innercircle, which his the inner
circle mastermind, and there'slike Tony Robbins and Dean
Graziosi has mastermind.com.
And so there's it's it's notonly just like a popular term
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used in the business andentrepreneurship like industry,
but yeah, the term means likewhen two people come together,
they brainstorm together, itcreates the mastermind.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And that makes a lot of sense.
I was listening to a YouTubevideo last week about it, it was
a business thing, like more ofan online business thing.
But the guy was saying, youknow, people ask me why I went
into business with someone else,and it was because I could have
like the whole grapefruit, or Ican have half of the
watermelon, and half thewatermelon makes more sense,
(21:12):
right?
It's gonna be a bigger thingbecause you've got more minds in
it.
And I know just from podcastingand the Instagram stuff, like
you'd think that's just twothings to learn, right?
Just oh, how to do a podcastand then how to like run an
Instagram page to promote it.
And oh my lord, it's likewriting code to get the website
up and you know, the themessaging people and the back
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end and promoting stuff, and itlike there's a whole science to
it, and it's so overwhelming.
So I can't even imagine like aphysical business or you know,
adding more components to it.
Like you having someone else'sthought process is huge, and
that's kind of the way the worldworks anyway, right?
Yeah, but where what do you seefor the future for it?
Speaker (21:53):
So as soon as I turn 20, I'm no longer a teen, and
therefore I'm kicked out of theteen mastermind.
And so one of the biggestthings for me is building
leaders who build more leaders.
And so I think I'll always bethe founder of the teen
mastermind and always be behindthe scenes, but eventually, like
I want other teens to beleading.
And that was a really coolthing about the teen mastermind
(22:16):
is it's not just like anotherschooling program where you're
getting talked at by uh adultteachers, and not that that's
like wrong, like kids should100% be learning by people who
have done life before.
We are not experienced, wehaven't had as many years as the
adults, and so we should belearning from them.
But again, the camaraderie andthe community that comes from
(22:37):
like like being led by someonewho's has a little bit ahead of
you and not like 20 years aheadof you makes makes it so much
easier, and you have you have areal connection to it.
You have like like this is it'skind of like peer pressure a
little bit, but like in a goodway.
Because I mean, you you do whata lot of kids are like
motivated by like my friendsthink this is cool, so therefore
(22:59):
I think it's cool.
Well, if good stuff is cool, ifentrepreneurship is cool, if
being successful, building likea vision for your life is cool
to your friends, then hey, Iwant to be with those people who
also think that's cool.
So I always want to keep itteen-led.
I think like having the eventsthemselves hosted by teens will
be a really cool thing.
And so I'd love to have it.
(23:20):
I mean, it's kind of alreadyinternational a little bit.
We have uh a couple, we have ateen in Colombia, a couple in
Canada, one in India, one inAustralia, one in England.
So it's already international,and so that would be the vision
for it is making it a worldwidephenomenon.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And so are these people taking like your business
model and holding events intheir town?
Speaker (23:44):
So that's probably the next step.
I mean, it's still like I'vedone it for a year and a half.
This is our second event thatwe're gonna be doing next month.
So I'm still kind of buildingout the structure for myself and
testing it out to make sure itworks for me.
But I think that'll kind of bethe idea is them taking on kind
of those areas of the teenmastermind, being the leaders on
(24:05):
like some are gonna be leaderson the calls, some are gonna be
uh organizing events.
I think a big thing will belike the event we're doing next
month is like kind of like the Iguess big main stage event.
Another idea we had was like,well, what if we do like little
pop-ups, little mini events inall the different communities uh
around the states, around theworld.
That could be cool as like youknow, a little thing to kind of
(24:27):
in between the big teenmastermind live events.
So I'm still kind of craftingthe the big vision.
It's like it's grown reallyfast.
So I'm I'm kind of trying tomentally catch up a little bit,
but that's that's the coolthing.
Um I know it's definitely notjust my plan, it's 100% God's
plan, like, and I'm just tryingto follow along.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
And what's the youngest agethat you have in it?
Speaker (24:53):
The youngest person we had at the event was like 10
years old.
So, and she was like supermotivated.
She's like working on writing abook, uh, which is awesome.
But I don't know, anywhere itagain, it depends on like
maturity, like it's notnecessarily teens, but like 10
years old is probably theyoungest.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, yeah.
So, and is everybody ahomeschooler that's involved?
Speaker (25:15):
Uh that's the interesting part, is probably
most of them are homeschooled.
That obviously obviously givesyou a lot more freedom with like
going to events and and likeyour curriculum, what you're
learning, but some of them arepublic school, and I really
applaud those people becausethat takes a lot of effort to
also be in the mastermindlearning about business and
entrepreneurship while stillkind of in that traditional
(25:39):
public school routine.
So it's I'd say most of themare homeschool, some of them are
even CC like me, but some arepublic school as well.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
What do you think the most valuable bit of advice or
information about being anentrepreneur has been that
you've received?
Speaker (25:54):
That's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I should have sent you a list before.
It just came to me.
Like, I'm like, if I want toteach my seven-year-old son or
my three-year-old daughtersomething about owning a
business, a tip or a trick or uhuh mindset or um like the most
important aspect of your ownbusiness.
Yeah.
Maybe something with money.
Speaker (26:16):
I think probably the biggest thing is honestly
finding people who have gonebefore or on the same
trajectory, the same path asyou.
And that was kind of thepurpose of the teen mastermind
is I want to be with my peerswho are also pursuing
entrepreneurship.
And so I already had the kindof like mentorship part solved
by learning from theseentrepreneurs.
(26:36):
Now I needed I mean, of course,there were other adults who had
businesses, and so, but I mean,like, you know, no matter what,
I always kind of teens want toconnect with other teens, and
adults probably want to connectwith other adults more so than
kids.
So I was missing that elementof like, okay, I have the
mentors that I'm learning fromwho are the people that I'm
sharing that advice with, andwho are the people that I'm
(26:59):
discussing and sharing ideaswith.
I want I found that I had thatproblem, and then I solved that
problem, and other people neededthat problem solved too.
Yeah.
So that would be the biggestthing is finding the right
people.
You are the people you becomelike the five people you hang
out with the most is a commonquote.
So pick those five peoplewisely.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So true, so true.
And it's hard when you'rehomeschooling too, like well, or
even in school.
And I guess if your kids are inschool, you don't have a big
choice on who they can hang outwith because they've just got
those 30 other kids every singleday.
But when you're homeschoolingand it's like, especially as
kids are becoming who they arebecoming and learning traits
about other kids, but of coursethose kids are becoming who
(27:38):
they're becoming, and it's like,okay, no, don't hang out with
them.
Okay, go hang out with them.
Oh, don't hang out with them.
So it is tough, but I thinkyes, as we become adults too,
it's like that's when it'sreally important, right?
Like, who do you want to bearound?
The person that's watchingdesperate housewives every
night, or someone who's like,you know, reading books and and
furthering their career along.
(27:59):
Now, all right, let me.
This is just one other maybehard question that came to mind
as you were talking.
The entrepreneurs, like, isthere a difference that you can
see with like, or like thepeople that would want to come
to your event or or any sort ofmastermind?
Is it the people that likemight own a pizza shop?
Or is it all the people who arelike CEOs of million-dollar
(28:21):
companies?
Like, is there like a curve, oris it all like the top dogs?
The one percent in the world.
Speaker (28:28):
Yeah.
I think it's a mix.
I think my community's prettyconnected to like Russell's, and
so they're all kind of havethat idea of like internet
marketing and doing onlinebusiness stuff.
So that's kind of you are whatyou like, you get inspired by
the things you take in the most.
And so, like, I've beenlearning about entrepreneurship
(28:49):
for so long, and it's like itwas so cool to me.
So, like, why not shareentrepreneurship?
That was just the idea.
Like, I've been like learningabout like doing been in events,
I've been in masterminds.
Why not do my own mastermind?
So I think that environmentkind of shapes like what you
want to do, but um, going backto uh the scale that teens want
to go to, um, I think it can bea variety.
(29:12):
I think it's I think I thinkit's a variety for my group
right now.
Um I might it might changedepending on like when we get
more people.
I might see the the numbersshift, but I think it's pretty
variety.
Some people want to like justdo a cool little side hustle
thing, but some of them want tomake it like really big, like a
global thing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah.
Um and that yeah, and as we'rekind of raising our kids and
kind of putting into their headwhat are the what what's the
scale of like, you know,obviously the more the bigger
your company is, the more workthere probably is, the more
responsibility.
Not necessarily, but a lot ofyou know, a lot of times you can
pass off things, but so it's afine line too.
(29:50):
Do you want to spend all yourtime working or maybe get that
done early on so that you canhave a little breather once
you're, you know, have kids ofyour own and that sort of thing,
or like be able to doobviously.
Your mother, did she leave acareer so that she could
homeschool?
Speaker (30:05):
So my parents got married and opened their dojo
the same year.
And so they've been businessowners, they've been business
partners and life partners forthe same amount of time.
And so that's also part of myupbringing is I've always been
doing judo and jujitsu.
I'm actually testing for myblack belt finally this month,
which is insane.
I've been working my whole lifefor that, and it's coming up so
(30:28):
quickly.
So I really I need to reallylock stuff down.
That's so that that's a hugepart of my upbringing, is the
dojo as well.
And they've been businessowners the whole time I've been
alive.
Again, already like I've beengrowing up in that environment
of being a business owner, beingan entrepreneur, and that gave
them more free time to be athome with me and with my sister
(30:50):
Vera to homeschool us and bewith us and go on trips together
as a family.
They because they chose thatpath, I think that gave them a
lot of freedom to do that.
Of course, it took a lot ofwork to actually get to that
point.
And when they first started,they were still working other
jobs, multiple jobs.
Eventually, the the promisewith entrepreneurship is it
gives you more freedom later.
(31:11):
So that's uh that's what theywere able to do.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, that's cool.
I'm always telling my husbandto quit his job and start his
own business with HVAC, butkeeps telling me no.
He says he'll be working a lotmore if he works for himself.
But I don't know.
I think I think I'll get to himone day.
And you know, you're theinspiration there.
Hey, look at he's 18 doingthis.
Come on.
But all right, so as we as wefinish out, oh, there was one
more question that came to mymind.
(31:34):
So what when we talk aboutinter entrepreneurship too, when
we're like thinking aboutpreparing our children for that
sort of world, right?
And I think most homeschoolersprobably do.
Like we didn't want to beeducated by the man so that we
can then have our children workfor the man, like we I mean, or
or woman, it doesn't reallymatter because it's like the
government.
I worked for the government, Iworked for the government for 16
(31:56):
years, and it's nothing I wouldwish upon my children.
It is just the brain cellsmelting away.
Is it like, would you say it'sequal parts, like the marketing,
the financials, as far as likeinvesting and what to do?
Because there's the wholeaspect too of like, okay, maybe
you make your first thousand,but how can you roll that into
(32:17):
the next 2000 and the next youknow, like there's a whole
system that people much smarterthan me have written written
books about about what to do?
So there's that aspect, themarketing aspect, the you know,
hiring and training aspect, andlike is it is that kind of what
your mastermind goes into, or doyou do you actually think about
(32:37):
all of those aspects whenyou're putting together your
events?
Speaker (32:41):
Yeah, so I there's so much to entrepreneurship, and I
think uh my mindset going intohow I'm kind of structuring the
events.
Again, I'm still kind of goingthrough the process myself.
I think the current stage I'mat is like figuring out how to
duplicate myself uh through youknow hiring uh or use of tools.
(33:01):
Like, I mean, AI is the bigthing right now, everyone's
talking about it.
So, of course, like I need tobe figuring out how to duplicate
myself with AI as well.
So I'm still on the path 100%,and I've been learning about all
this stuff, but learning is notthe same as actually doing
stuff.
Like, I've heard a lot ofthings about like hiring, like
you have to look at the thestrengths and the personality
(33:22):
tests, and you can use that forhiring.
But it's like I haven't I'venever hired someone yet.
So I'm still on differentstages, and so my thought
process is actually notnecessarily me teaching, but
finding the experts and bringingthem to the teens, and then we
continue to discuss and continueto keep each other account.
That's a huge thing, and thenthe team mastermind is keeping
(33:43):
each other accountable, keepingeach other on the path and
encouraging each other.
It's like, hey, let's celebratethe wins, let's figure out why
things didn't go well andcorrect it.
And so I think a lot of the andI always am trying to look for
what's the current problemthat's uh a lot of the teens are
having right now in theirbusiness and what stage are a
lot of them at.
So that's how I figure outwhich guest speakers I want,
(34:05):
what questions I want to askthem, and also how I'm
structuring the event.
And so I think the event iskind of like a how I'm
structuring right now is kind oflike a sort of an introductory
into entrepreneurship, throwingthem here's a bunch of ideas for
things that you could do, butthen also here's how you
actually execute on it.
The three pillars of the eventare community implementation and
fun, because a lot of events,it's like you just get talked at
(34:28):
and then nothing happens,you're left with a bunch of
ideas and you have no idea whatto execute first.
Community is a huge thing.
Um, there's like, yeah, youwant to do it with people, and
so many events I think like,especially like the smaller
events where you very easilycould do this, you just don't
know the people.
The hosts don't make a goodenough effort to actually
(34:48):
introduce people and make surethat everybody knows each other.
And so that was a huge thingthat we did.
And then implementation,actually doing stuff during the
event and fun.
You know, you learn way faster,you learn way more when you're
having fun.
And I mean, it's an event forkids, so it's kind of supposed
to be fun.
But I mean, kids like adultsloved the event too.
(35:08):
We did a teen peneur ball, wedid uh English dancing,
everybody got dressed up at thevery end to kind of celebrate.
And a lot of the parents reallyloved it.
And uh, some of them weretalking about like, this is the
first time like I've danced withmy husband in years, and so it
was so super sweet.
And at the end of the event,like some of the teens were like
crying because they it was overand they had to go home.
(35:30):
And it was like uh and I hadlike known these teens for a
while, and it was like the firsttime I had seen them cry
because the event was over, andit was it was so heartwarming,
and they like they were like, Iwe have to do this again really
soon.
So I'm so happy, see, yes, itwas it was their prom.
And that was that was honestlya huge inspiration for us.
Like, what about prom?
(35:51):
Like, yeah, like we want aprom, but better.
Because I've been tohomecomings of like public
schools, and it's like theydon't you're kind of expected to
just go out there and dance.
We had a caller that liketaught you the dances, so
everyone participated, no matterlike they didn't know how to,
even if they didn't know how todance, everyone participated,
they were taught, and everyonehad a ton of fun.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh, I love that.
So cool.
All right, where can peoplefind you if they want to check
out the Teen Mastermind?
Speaker (36:16):
Yeah, so the main website would be
theteenmastermind.com, and thenour next uh in-person event is
gonna be in Scottsdale, Arizonaat the end of January, and you
can find that atteenmastermindlive.com.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
All right, I will put all of those links in the
show's description.
Congratulations on your successand good luck at your black
belt.
I know nothing about thatstuff, but I know it's
important.
Speaker (36:39):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
That's amazing.
Thank you so much, Malcolm, forjoining us today.
This has been so informativeand so cool.
Speaker (36:46):
That was so fun.
Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
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I didn't plan to homeschool.
I started asking hardquestions, realized how little
control parents actually have,and made the hard decision to
leave a government job tohomeschool my kids.
Now I interview otherhomeschooling parents to learn
how this all works.
I'm Cheryl, and this is theHomeschool How to Podcast.
Let's learn this together.
Welcome.
(00:26):
And with us today, I haveMalcolm.
Malcolm, thank you for beinghere.
Speaker (00:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So you were a homeschooled kid, right?
Speaker (00:34):
Yes, I was.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
This is awesome because I remember when I first
started the podcast, like Ireally wanted to hear the
perspective of the kids.
Like all of us parents arelike, oh, I'm so nervous to
homeschool, so nervous tohomeschool.
And a lot of that is that we'reworried that like we won't give
the kids everything they needto know.
But also it's like, are thesekids gonna resent me for like
(00:56):
missing the traditional prom orfootball game?
And you know, are they gonnafind friends?
So I'm excited to talk to youtoday.
So, how long did you homeschoolfor?
Speaker (01:06):
So we started homeschooling, I think, when I
went into second grade.
Uh, and then before that, itwas kind of I went to a private
school for first grade and Ithink kind of a public school
for like kindergarten beforethat.
But even in like thekindergarten and preschool, my
parents were always there.
Like it was supposed to be likeonly one parent of like the
whole school would be there justto like keep watch.
(01:28):
But my dad was always thereevery single time because he
didn't want to leave me alone.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Like every day, all day?
Speaker (01:34):
Yeah, so every time we would go.
I don't think the preschool waslike every day.
He he was always there andalways wanted to make sure I was
safe and all the other kidswere safe too.
So that was cool.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
They took baby steps getting into homeschooling.
They're like, we'll try thepublic thing, and they're like,
eh, let's do private.
Speaker (01:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Let's just homeschool.
Speaker (01:52):
Yeah, so and I think my mom, um, I have to like verify
this with her, but I think likeshe came from uh a Russian
background, she grew up innorthern Siberia.
I might be getting that wrong,but she grew up in Russia.
Homeschooling was not a thing,and public schools were very
different.
I mean, it's nowhere near thesame as the public education
(02:12):
system in America.
And so the whole idea ofhomeschooling, I believe in
Russia, was kind of like that'skind of that's kind of weird.
That's like the typical, likewhat you think of as a
homeschooler is like that's kindof their thinking on it.
But so my mom never thoughtthat she would ever homeschool
until eventually it's likesecond grade happened.
It's like, okay, this privateschool thing isn't working.
And then finally, conversationscame into town.
(02:34):
So that homeschooling programcame in, it opened up that year,
and we decided to join it rightwhen it started.
So that's how that happened.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, that's awesome.
Yes, I've had some people fromRussia on my podcast before, and
they're like, Yeah, our familythinks we're not for doing this,
it's so out of the question.
But yeah, when you know, theythe immigrants would come to
this country for like thefreedom, and and then kind of
what they're seeing now in theschools is like, oh, it's ending
up like where I left.
(03:02):
So I can totally understandwanting to kind of change the
tide there.
So did you uh what did youthink about homeschooling at
that time?
Like, were you sad to leave theregular classroom?
Speaker (03:15):
I don't really remember the transition from homes from
you know private school tohomeschooling, but I I don't
know, I just I really enjoyedit.
So I don't remember likefeeling negative about leaving
the private school.
So that was it wasn't a hugeimpact on you.
No, it wasn't a huge impact.
And yeah, our our family likereally likes to stick together.
We always go on trips together,so that was like it just kind
(03:37):
of felt normal.
It's just like how it was meantto be.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Yeah, it was like a Saturday, you know?
But every day is the Saturday,as it was described to me once.
Okay, so getting into classicalconversations.
Now, why don't you kind of tellpeople what classical
conversations is, and then maybewe'll go from there and I'll
have a clue about what I'mtalking about.
Speaker (03:55):
Yeah, so my best explanation for classical
conversations, I often call itCC, that's what everyone usually
calls it.
But um, it's it gets its namefrom the classical learning
model, which is in three phases.
There's the grammar, there'sthe dialectic, sometimes called
logic phase, and then therhetoric phase.
So grammar is where you'relearning all the vocabulary, all
(04:16):
of the just stuff.
It's all about memorization,learning what things are, and
not so much the you don't reallylearn so much of like the
reason behind it or like theconnection yet.
And so that's kind of the so inCC that takes place in the
foundations program, which wouldbe up until middle like school
kind of.
So um probably sixth grade andup is when you go into the next
(04:40):
programs.
And so after the grammar stageis the dialectic stage or the
logic stage, and that's whereyou start learning about why
thing why the things that youjust memorized actually matter
and how they all connect.
And it's kind of learned likelearning why the information is
important and starting to putthe pieces together.
Then the rhetoric stage istaking all that information and
(05:02):
now communicating it yourself.
So that that's kind of thetheir idea of the learning, the
classical model of learning.
Vocab first, then why does ithappen?
And then teaching you how tocommunicate that in your own
words.
So that's kind of I'm probablybutchering that a little bit,
but that's kind of the idea.
And then it goes foundations islike is all the uh memorization
(05:23):
stuff, essentials gets intolike the writing.
Then there's the challengeclasses, challenge A and B are
like middle school, I think whatseventh and eighth, no, sixth
and seventh grade, eighth,eighth through twelfth grade
would be your high school years,and that's when you go to
challenge one, two, three, four,and that's where you start
getting into the dialectic orsorry rhetoric phase where
(05:45):
you're learning to pull all theinformation together and create
your own works out of it.
So, and really learning how tocommunicate.
That's where debate comes in,all the essays and
presentations, all the learningabout Shakespeare and like
learning how to deliver andpresent is the big focus on the
later years of CC.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay.
And so is this like five days aweek or one day a week?
And um, where was the otherquestion I had on that?
It's only for like English,right?
So you're still doing like ascience and a math separately.
Speaker (06:14):
So CC does like all of the subjects.
Certain communities, and Ithink kind of kind of all the
communities are pretty linear onlike it's really the parents
are still the teachers.
They are still the mainteachers.
You just have a class that youconnect with once a week on in
like this community day, whichis kind of like the school day,
like kind of your traditionalschool day, but better in my
(06:36):
opinion.
They have curriculum for all ofthe subjects, math, science,
languages, but mostly Latin,English, history, what else?
Like logic, all that stuff.
So they have curriculums forall of that.
Of course, it's optional forthe parents to just do something
else.
A lot of the math we did waslike different from the regular
CC curriculum.
So it's kind of they give youall the uh the information, you
(06:58):
get all the books and stuff, andthey kind of have a set
curriculum, a set path.
You can choose a little bit.
So that's that's the idea.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
All right.
Did you like doing it?
Speaker (07:08):
I really like doing it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'm looking at all of the curriculums out there.
I don't know that you'reselling this.
Really?
You're like, it's six years ofmemorization.
Yeah.
Is it better than that though?
I mean, I know there's a song,there's a 12-minute song, so
they make the memorization fun,right?
Like, did you enjoy that part?
Speaker (07:23):
Yeah, it's kind of like a funny CC joke, like inside
joke in the community.
It's like everybody is hauntedby the songs because they're all
like the you know, classicaluh, you know, children's rhyme
songs, just with historysentences of like how like the
of Columbus and all that otherstuff.
So uh I'm haunted by those alittle bit, but I I really
(07:45):
enjoyed it.
I think a lot of the bigbenefits came from the later
years in high school, uh, inlike the challenge classes.
And you're actually like incomparison to public school,
like you're actually learningabout history and like what
actually happened, and you havea a pretty clear timeline of
like, oh, this is everythingthat happened in the world.
And even though, like, again,it's kind of up to you to really
(08:07):
dive into those areas if youwant to, but I mean you have a
good idea of like what happenedand what happened before you and
why things are the way it istoday.
So I really liked the lateryears in challenge, and and that
that came into that's wherelike the community really came
into play and where I really gotto connect with my other
classmates.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Okay.
And it meets in person, right?
Speaker (08:27):
Yeah, and that's a big thing from like other
homeschooling.
Like, if you just homeschool onyour own, you're kind of from
my understanding, you're kind ofjust stuck in your own house.
You don't really haveclassmates.
But with CC, it's like we allmet up once a week to kind of
like review and also go over thenew the curriculum for the next
week.
And that was a time for us asfriends to get together.
(08:47):
And I I just really enjoyedthat because the community and
the values that CC has broughtthe correct brought the right
people, brought the right kindof students into it.
And so I'm still friends with alot of the my classmates now.
And like I think a lot ofpeople will lose connection
after CC.
I think we'll stay connectedfor a really long time.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh, that's awesome.
What state are you in?
Speaker (09:09):
Uh, we're in Oregon.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Cool.
All right.
I don't think I've interviewedanyone from Oregon.
Do you know about yourhomeschool laws there?
Like what the reportingrequirements look like?
Speaker (09:17):
I have no clue.
Honestly.
Um, I don't think we care toomuch about the reporting stuff.
I don't know.
Like, I just I guess like ifyou're going to college
afterwards, I guess that kind ofmakes sense.
And but I mean, for us, collegeis like, why spend like so many
years at home imparting thefamily values onto your kids to
then ship them off to somewhereelse who have completely
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different values and are oftenagainst your for $300,000 for
$300,000.
And so you're gonna pay them tochange your kids' values.
Like that why?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Well, so because every state has different
reporting requirements.
So, like in New York, we'reactually pretty strict.
Whether you're going to collegeor not, they you know make you
do like a um notice of intentthat you are telling the school
that you are going tohomeschool, and then you have to
write a IHIP, which is like anindividualized home instruction
plan, like of what you're gonnado for the year.
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And then every quarter you haveto report what you did and
where there can be improvements,and then there's like an
evaluation or a test at the endof the year on certain years.
So it's like, and I thoughtthat was normal until I started
talking to people from otherstates, and they're like, We
just tell them that we'rehomeschooling and that's it.
They just like want to know thekid is still breathing.
That's all yeah.
Speaker (10:30):
No, I think I've heard like New York stuff is like
really strict.
So I don't I don't think it'sas strict, you know, Oregon's a
blue state, but it's not as Idon't think it's as strict.
I like, I don't know.
I don't think we've really donetoo much with the reporting.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
As they're knocking on your door right now, excuse
me, you haven't graduated yet.
All right, so okay, so I knowthat you found, you know, a big
worry with parents is thesocialization.
You found friends throughclassical conversations.
How else did you kind of likefind friend groups and you know,
did you feel like you weremissing out at all and not being
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in the public school?
Speaker (11:05):
I don't think I missed out at all.
I think I dodged a bullet alittle bit.
But uh the other way is I Iactually missed a lot of the
community days for CC becauseour family was going on so many
business trips.
And it was about nine years agowhen my parents decided, hey,
we don't like going on tripsseparately anymore.
One of the like either mom ordad will be away for even just
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like a few days, but they justdidn't like it.
They didn't like being apart.
And so nine years ago theydecided, hey, we are going to
take the kids, we're gonna takethe whole family on every single
business trip, no matter what.
We'll figure out a way, and youknow, if there's a will,
there's a way.
They figured it out every time.
And uh that's how I've I'vebeen able to go to a bunch of
business events and mastermindsand learn from super high-level
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entrepreneurs and talentedpeople.
And uh, but also other parentshad the same idea, and so I've
met some other teens throughthat, and I was like, wait, I'm
not the only kid who getsexposed to this entrepreneurship
stuff.
Like you guys also likebusiness?
This is cool.
So that's kind of how uh Idon't think they were aiming for
socialization.
Um, but I mean, I got to Italked to a lot of adults from
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you know going to thosemasterminds and talking to also
happen to talk to some otherteens too while I was at those
events, which is part of how theteen mastermind started as
well.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
All right, so tell us about that.
You created a company calledthe Teen Mastermind.
What is that?
Speaker (12:29):
Yeah, so on these business trips, one of the big
problems I had was when I wouldgo back home, uh, I'd be so
pumped up and excited about allthe entrepreneurship stuff, the
business stuff that I hadlearned.
But nobody else really wasinterested in it.
They I I just they just didn'tget it.
So I felt kind of like lonelyin that aspect because I didn't
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get to talk about what was likereally cool to me.
Um but I had met some teens atthese events.
But the other problem was likewe never stayed connected
afterwards, it'd be like a yearuntil like the next event, and
we'd be like, hey, what do youdo again?
Who are you?
And eventually like thathappened again and again.
And then a year and a half ago,I finally decided, hey, I'm
gonna change this.
I'm gonna create a Discordserver.
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And it was at like a familybusiness event that this guy,
Russell Brunson, hosted.
Uh, I at that event, I createda Discord server and just
decided I'm gonna invite all theteens to it, and we're gonna
have like this chat room for usto all uh communicate in during
the event and afterwards so wecan stay connected.
And so we started doing that.
It was uh it was great, andthen we had the idea, hey, let's
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do a call every single week.
And so we started doing that,kept staying connected.
We were looking forward to liketo the next events, and ever
since then, uh we actually likemade a video for Russell
Brunson, showed it to him to tryto get on his stage at the next
big funnel hacking live event,which is like his main like the
one of the biggest marketingevents in the world, has like
multi, like a few thousandpeople, a few thousand business
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owners show up there just tolearn from about marketing.
It's like a big they call itlike the rock concert for
entrepreneurs.
And so we were like, hey, whatif we try to get on stage?
And so we made a video, triedto pitch it to Russell, and he
said there are no more spots onthe main speaker list.
However, we do have somethingcalled round tables, which was
basically 60 round tables, andeach of them were hosted at uh
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were hosted by a bunch ofhigh-level entrepreneurs, and we
got to be among them as theteen mastermind table.
And it was so cool, it was sucha good opportunity to meet
other teens who came to FHL andlike tell them about the teen
mastermind, learn about likewhat they want to do if they
want to start a business.
And we did like our ownimpromptu, they gave us a room
at the event.
(14:38):
They we did like an impromptuteen mastermind with like 30
teens all in a room talkingabout business and our goals and
our vision for life.
It was so fun.
Then we just did our first livein-person event for the teen
mastermind about a month ago.
We're doing another one nextmonth, and so it's just like
grown so much.
I just started it as a friendgroup, honestly, and that and
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now, like ever since then, theywere like saying, Hey, you gotta
monetize this, you gotta makeit a paid program.
So it took me a while, Ifinally did, and then now it's
really exploded after that.
So that's wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, I was trying to look him up, but because that
name sounds so familiar, but Idon't I don't think this person
that I pulled up on Instagram ishim.
So the name sounds so familiar.
So are you holding the eventsin Oregon?
Speaker (15:20):
Yeah, so uh the first event was in October in Oregon,
which was like kind of weird forlike my parents thought it was
crazy.
I mean, everyone thought it wascrazy.
Like, what do you do?
Like an 18-year-old hosting athree-day in-person event about
entrepreneurship.
That's insane.
Like, nobody does not even likea lot of business owners do
that.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You're like not technically an entrepreneur yet
because you're just startingyour business with this event.
Speaker (15:44):
Yeah, and like like most business owners, I heard
this.
We had a guest speaker on oneof the teen mastermind calls.
That's another thing I forgotto mention.
We've had a bunch of guestspeakers, including Russell, and
I think we've had over 30 guestspeakers.
All of them have been like highhigh-level entrepreneurs.
They all they come on the callsand talk to the teens and give
them a bunch of advice, and it'slike a big QA.
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It's super fun.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
That's cool.
Speaker (16:07):
So uh one of them, Eileen Wilder, she was a guest
speaker, and she said that onlylike nine or 10%, like less than
10% of entrepreneurs ever do anin-person event.
And I was like, I want to bepart of that 10%.
So and then the first eventbeing a full three-day event in
little old Roseburg, Oregon, oflike a population of 24,000
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people, is tiny.
And my parents have never donelike they don't they've done
in-person events before, but notlike asking people to fly in to
little Roseburg, Oregon, justfor an event.
And I was like, of course,people will do that.
Why not?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
So so these people came, they like paid for their
own airfare, or did you have topay for that?
Speaker (16:48):
So they they bought tickets to the event, they paid
for their plane tickets, andlike I was like half of them
were local, but another half ofthem came from out of state.
And some there was a onefamily, there's a family from f
all the way from Florida, andthere was another family, I
think, who came from like NorthCarolina or or South Carolina,
and they decided to do that likea week before the event
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happened.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
They were gonna like make it a little world schooling
trip.
Yeah.
Stuff along the way.
Now, what about the speakersthough?
Did you have to pay for theirairfare to come in?
Speaker (17:18):
Some of them, yeah.
And a lot of them, I mean, Ikind of I guess I get to take a
little bit of advantage of likeI'm young, and so like uh adults
want to like help out, andespecially like the
entrepreneurs like want to helpout the next generation, which
I'm super thankful for, and likeit's like I'm super
appreciative of it.
Um, and so a lot of them arejust like, yeah, of course I'll
do it.
And so we paid airfare for someof them, and uh it was kind of
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like a mix of like deals kindof, but they all we had a bunch
of like some of the speakers whohave been on Russell stages and
like are super in the uh superwell known in the
entrepreneurial space came andspoke at the event, which is so
cool.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, I know uh Andy Frasilla, but he might have a
few too many F bombs for likefor this kind of audience.
I could hear I well, I used tolisten to him all the time, and
I couldn't hear him as myhusband's playing it in the
workout room in the morning.
I'm like, my god, the kids arestill asleep, but that's loud.
He probably peps up a roomthough.
But that's so cool.
I mean, I I have been thinkingabout hosting a homeschooling
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event in New York.
I think we used to have one andthey don't anymore.
And I'm like, yeah, I should doit.
And I'm like, but God, thatseems overwhelming.
I don't know, or who wouldcome?
Nobody would come to it, and orwho would actually fly in to
speak at it.
And I don't know, do peoplereally want to sit there and
listen to speakers?
I don't know.
Obviously, they do, and peoplelike community, especially
nowadays after COVID.
So, all right, when you how oldare you now?
Speaker (18:40):
I'm 18 now.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
18.
So have you graduated?
Speaker (18:43):
I have graduated, yes.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
All right, did you get to graduate early?
Speaker (18:46):
I did not.
I think so.
I actually didn't do the lastyear of CC, which would have
been challenge four.
I think I didn't have any thereweren't any classmates for me
to actually have a challenge forclass with.
So my last year ofhomeschooling was kind of just
me going to business events.
Like I kind of just didn't doschooling technically, but I
mean I went to a bunch ofmasterminds and learned how to
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make money through businessesand and learned about real
estate.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So that was, you know, well, that's gotta wait
real world stuff.
Speaker (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That kind of counts.
But but I love that thatbecause like I said in the
beginning, one of parents'biggest fears is that I'm not
gonna give my kid everythingthey need to know by the time
they're 18.
And here you are, like, well, Ijust didn't do, you know, the
foreign language in my senioryear, or that trigonometry
class, or that earth scienceclass.
(19:37):
What does it matter?
Like you kind of said, ifyou're not going to college,
what does it matter anyway?
You only need that stuff as astepping stone to get into the
next stepping stone for the nextstepping stone.
But if you're creating your ownmountain, you don't need the
stones to walk on.
Speaker (19:52):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
So, okay.
So the why don't you tell mewhat is a mastermind?
Is it just a round table?
Speaker (19:59):
Yeah.
So The term comes from I thinkNapoleon Hill, which was he was
like um a huge he wrote the bookThink and Grow Rich and a bunch
of other ones.
That that's like his mostpopular one.
But the term came from him, andit's the the mastermind is the
idea when two brains cometogether and they start
brainstorming ideas, and that'swhen the third mind comes out,
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which is the mastermind.
And so it's basically a placewhere people are sharing ideas
with each other all together,and that's and it's it's a
pretty popular business term aswell.
For like Russell has his innercircle, which his the inner
circle mastermind, and there'slike Tony Robbins and Dean
Graziosi has mastermind.com.
And so there's it's it's notonly just like a popular term
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used in the business andentrepreneurship like industry,
but yeah, the term means likewhen two people come together,
they brainstorm together, itcreates the mastermind.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And that makes a lot of sense.
I was listening to a YouTubevideo last week about it, it was
a business thing, like more ofan online business thing.
But the guy was saying, youknow, people ask me why I went
into business with someone else,and it was because I could have
like the whole grapefruit, or Ican have half of the
watermelon, and half thewatermelon makes more sense,
(21:12):
right?
It's gonna be a bigger thingbecause you've got more minds in
it.
And I know just from podcastingand the Instagram stuff, like
you'd think that's just twothings to learn, right?
Just oh, how to do a podcastand then how to like run an
Instagram page to promote it.
And oh my lord, it's likewriting code to get the website
up and you know, the themessaging people and the back
(21:34):
end and promoting stuff, and itlike there's a whole science to
it, and it's so overwhelming.
So I can't even imagine like aphysical business or you know,
adding more components to it.
Like you having someone else'sthought process is huge, and
that's kind of the way the worldworks anyway, right?
Yeah, but where what do you seefor the future for it?
Speaker (21:53):
So as soon as I turn 20, I'm no longer a teen, and
therefore I'm kicked out of theteen mastermind.
And so one of the biggestthings for me is building
leaders who build more leaders.
And so I think I'll always bethe founder of the teen
mastermind and always be behindthe scenes, but eventually, like
I want other teens to beleading.
And that was a really coolthing about the teen mastermind
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is it's not just like anotherschooling program where you're
getting talked at by uh adultteachers, and not that that's
like wrong, like kids should100% be learning by people who
have done life before.
We are not experienced, wehaven't had as many years as the
adults, and so we should belearning from them.
But again, the camaraderie andthe community that comes from
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like like being led by someonewho's has a little bit ahead of
you and not like 20 years aheadof you makes makes it so much
easier, and you have you have areal connection to it.
You have like like this is it'skind of like peer pressure a
little bit, but like in a goodway.
Because I mean, you you do whata lot of kids are like
motivated by like my friendsthink this is cool, so therefore
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I think it's cool.
Well, if good stuff is cool, ifentrepreneurship is cool, if
being successful, building likea vision for your life is cool
to your friends, then hey, Iwant to be with those people who
also think that's cool.
So I always want to keep itteen-led.
I think like having the eventsthemselves hosted by teens will
be a really cool thing.
And so I'd love to have it.
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I mean, it's kind of alreadyinternational a little bit.
We have uh a couple, we have ateen in Colombia, a couple in
Canada, one in India, one inAustralia, one in England.
So it's already international,and so that would be the vision
for it is making it a worldwidephenomenon.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
And so are these people taking like your business
model and holding events intheir town?
Speaker (23:44):
So that's probably the next step.
I mean, it's still like I'vedone it for a year and a half.
This is our second event thatwe're gonna be doing next month.
So I'm still kind of buildingout the structure for myself and
testing it out to make sure itworks for me.
But I think that'll kind of bethe idea is them taking on kind
of those areas of the teenmastermind, being the leaders on
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like some are gonna be leaderson the calls, some are gonna be
uh organizing events.
I think a big thing will belike the event we're doing next
month is like kind of like the Iguess big main stage event.
Another idea we had was like,well, what if we do like little
pop-ups, little mini events inall the different communities uh
around the states, around theworld.
That could be cool as like youknow, a little thing to kind of
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in between the big teenmastermind live events.
So I'm still kind of craftingthe the big vision.
It's like it's grown reallyfast.
So I'm I'm kind of trying tomentally catch up a little bit,
but that's that's the coolthing.
Um I know it's definitely notjust my plan, it's 100% God's
plan, like, and I'm just tryingto follow along.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
And what's the youngest agethat you have in it?
Speaker (24:53):
The youngest person we had at the event was like 10
years old.
So, and she was like supermotivated.
She's like working on writing abook, uh, which is awesome.
But I don't know, anywhere itagain, it depends on like
maturity, like it's notnecessarily teens, but like 10
years old is probably theyoungest.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Okay, yeah.
So, and is everybody ahomeschooler that's involved?
Speaker (25:15):
Uh that's the interesting part, is probably
most of them are homeschooled.
That obviously obviously givesyou a lot more freedom with like
going to events and and likeyour curriculum, what you're
learning, but some of them arepublic school, and I really
applaud those people becausethat takes a lot of effort to
also be in the mastermindlearning about business and
entrepreneurship while stillkind of in that traditional
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public school routine.
So it's I'd say most of themare homeschool, some of them are
even CC like me, but some arepublic school as well.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
What do you think the most valuable bit of advice or
information about being anentrepreneur has been that
you've received?
Speaker (25:54):
That's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I should have sent you a list before.
It just came to me.
Like, I'm like, if I want toteach my seven-year-old son or
my three-year-old daughtersomething about owning a
business, a tip or a trick or uhuh mindset or um like the most
important aspect of your ownbusiness.
Yeah.
Maybe something with money.
Speaker (26:16):
I think probably the biggest thing is honestly
finding people who have gonebefore or on the same
trajectory, the same path asyou.
And that was kind of thepurpose of the teen mastermind
is I want to be with my peerswho are also pursuing
entrepreneurship.
And so I already had the kindof like mentorship part solved
by learning from theseentrepreneurs.
(26:36):
Now I needed I mean, of course,there were other adults who had
businesses, and so, but I mean,like, you know, no matter what,
I always kind of teens want toconnect with other teens, and
adults probably want to connectwith other adults more so than
kids.
So I was missing that elementof like, okay, I have the
mentors that I'm learning fromwho are the people that I'm
sharing that advice with, andwho are the people that I'm
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discussing and sharing ideaswith.
I want I found that I had thatproblem, and then I solved that
problem, and other people neededthat problem solved too.
Yeah.
So that would be the biggestthing is finding the right
people.
You are the people you becomelike the five people you hang
out with the most is a commonquote.
So pick those five peoplewisely.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
So true, so true.
And it's hard when you'rehomeschooling too, like well, or
even in school.
And I guess if your kids are inschool, you don't have a big
choice on who they can hang outwith because they've just got
those 30 other kids every singleday.
But when you're homeschoolingand it's like, especially as
kids are becoming who they arebecoming and learning traits
about other kids, but of coursethose kids are becoming who
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they're becoming, and it's like,okay, no, don't hang out with
them.
Okay, go hang out with them.
Oh, don't hang out with them.
So it is tough, but I thinkyes, as we become adults too,
it's like that's when it'sreally important, right?
Like, who do you want to bearound?
The person that's watchingdesperate housewives every
night, or someone who's like,you know, reading books and and
furthering their career along.
(27:59):
Now, all right, let me.
This is just one other maybehard question that came to mind
as you were talking.
The entrepreneurs, like, isthere a difference that you can
see with like, or like thepeople that would want to come
to your event or or any sort ofmastermind?
Is it the people that likemight own a pizza shop?
Or is it all the people who arelike CEOs of million-dollar
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companies?
Like, is there like a curve, oris it all like the top dogs?
The one percent in the world.
Speaker (28:28):
Yeah.
I think it's a mix.
I think my community's prettyconnected to like Russell's, and
so they're all kind of havethat idea of like internet
marketing and doing onlinebusiness stuff.
So that's kind of you are whatyou like, you get inspired by
the things you take in the most.
And so, like, I've beenlearning about entrepreneurship
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for so long, and it's like itwas so cool to me.
So, like, why not shareentrepreneurship?
That was just the idea.
Like, I've been like learningabout like doing been in events,
I've been in masterminds.
Why not do my own mastermind?
So I think that environmentkind of shapes like what you
want to do, but um, going backto uh the scale that teens want
to go to, um, I think it can bea variety.
(29:12):
I think it's I think I thinkit's a variety for my group
right now.
Um I might it might changedepending on like when we get
more people.
I might see the the numbersshift, but I think it's pretty
variety.
Some people want to like justdo a cool little side hustle
thing, but some of them want tomake it like really big, like a
global thing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah.
Um and that yeah, and as we'rekind of raising our kids and
kind of putting into their headwhat are the what what's the
scale of like, you know,obviously the more the bigger
your company is, the more workthere probably is, the more
responsibility.
Not necessarily, but a lot ofyou know, a lot of times you can
pass off things, but so it's afine line too.
(29:50):
Do you want to spend all yourtime working or maybe get that
done early on so that you canhave a little breather once
you're, you know, have kids ofyour own and that sort of thing,
or like be able to doobviously.
Your mother, did she leave acareer so that she could
homeschool?
Speaker (30:05):
So my parents got married and opened their dojo
the same year.
And so they've been businessowners, they've been business
partners and life partners forthe same amount of time.
And so that's also part of myupbringing is I've always been
doing judo and jujitsu.
I'm actually testing for myblack belt finally this month,
which is insane.
I've been working my whole lifefor that, and it's coming up so
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quickly.
So I really I need to reallylock stuff down.
That's so that that's a hugepart of my upbringing, is the
dojo as well.
And they've been businessowners the whole time I've been
alive.
Again, already like I've beengrowing up in that environment
of being a business owner, beingan entrepreneur, and that gave
them more free time to be athome with me and with my sister
(30:50):
Vera to homeschool us and bewith us and go on trips together
as a family.
They because they chose thatpath, I think that gave them a
lot of freedom to do that.
Of course, it took a lot ofwork to actually get to that
point.
And when they first started,they were still working other
jobs, multiple jobs.
Eventually, the the promisewith entrepreneurship is it
gives you more freedom later.
(31:11):
So that's uh that's what theywere able to do.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, that's cool.
I'm always telling my husbandto quit his job and start his
own business with HVAC, butkeeps telling me no.
He says he'll be working a lotmore if he works for himself.
But I don't know.
I think I think I'll get to himone day.
And you know, you're theinspiration there.
Hey, look at he's 18 doingthis.
Come on.
But all right, so as we as wefinish out, oh, there was one
more question that came to mymind.
(31:34):
So what when we talk aboutinter entrepreneurship too, when
we're like thinking aboutpreparing our children for that
sort of world, right?
And I think most homeschoolersprobably do.
Like we didn't want to beeducated by the man so that we
can then have our children workfor the man, like we I mean, or
or woman, it doesn't reallymatter because it's like the
government.
I worked for the government, Iworked for the government for 16
(31:56):
years, and it's nothing I wouldwish upon my children.
It is just the brain cellsmelting away.
Is it like, would you say it'sequal parts, like the marketing,
the financials, as far as likeinvesting and what to do?
Because there's the wholeaspect too of like, okay, maybe
you make your first thousand,but how can you roll that into
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the next 2000 and the next youknow, like there's a whole
system that people much smarterthan me have written written
books about about what to do?
So there's that aspect, themarketing aspect, the you know,
hiring and training aspect, andlike is it is that kind of what
your mastermind goes into, or doyou do you actually think about
(32:37):
all of those aspects whenyou're putting together your
events?
Speaker (32:41):
Yeah, so I there's so much to entrepreneurship, and I
think uh my mindset going intohow I'm kind of structuring the
events.
Again, I'm still kind of goingthrough the process myself.
I think the current stage I'mat is like figuring out how to
duplicate myself uh through youknow hiring uh or use of tools.
(33:01):
Like, I mean, AI is the bigthing right now, everyone's
talking about it.
So, of course, like I need tobe figuring out how to duplicate
myself with AI as well.
So I'm still on the path 100%,and I've been learning about all
this stuff, but learning is notthe same as actually doing
stuff.
Like, I've heard a lot ofthings about like hiring, like
you have to look at the thestrengths and the personality
(33:22):
tests, and you can use that forhiring.
But it's like I haven't I'venever hired someone yet.
So I'm still on differentstages, and so my thought
process is actually notnecessarily me teaching, but
finding the experts and bringingthem to the teens, and then we
continue to discuss and continueto keep each other account.
That's a huge thing, and thenthe team mastermind is keeping
(33:43):
each other accountable, keepingeach other on the path and
encouraging each other.
It's like, hey, let's celebratethe wins, let's figure out why
things didn't go well andcorrect it.
And so I think a lot of the andI always am trying to look for
what's the current problemthat's uh a lot of the teens are
having right now in theirbusiness and what stage are a
lot of them at.
So that's how I figure outwhich guest speakers I want,
(34:05):
what questions I want to askthem, and also how I'm
structuring the event.
And so I think the event iskind of like a how I'm
structuring right now is kind oflike a sort of an introductory
into entrepreneurship, throwingthem here's a bunch of ideas for
things that you could do, butthen also here's how you
actually execute on it.
The three pillars of the eventare community implementation and
fun, because a lot of events,it's like you just get talked at
(34:28):
and then nothing happens,you're left with a bunch of
ideas and you have no idea whatto execute first.
Community is a huge thing.
Um, there's like, yeah, youwant to do it with people, and
so many events I think like,especially like the smaller
events where you very easilycould do this, you just don't
know the people.
The hosts don't make a goodenough effort to actually
(34:48):
introduce people and make surethat everybody knows each other.
And so that was a huge thingthat we did.
And then implementation,actually doing stuff during the
event and fun.
You know, you learn way faster,you learn way more when you're
having fun.
And I mean, it's an event forkids, so it's kind of supposed
to be fun.
But I mean, kids like adultsloved the event too.
(35:08):
We did a teen peneur ball, wedid uh English dancing,
everybody got dressed up at thevery end to kind of celebrate.
And a lot of the parents reallyloved it.
And uh, some of them weretalking about like, this is the
first time like I've danced withmy husband in years, and so it
was so super sweet.
And at the end of the event,like some of the teens were like
crying because they it was overand they had to go home.
(35:30):
And it was like uh and I hadlike known these teens for a
while, and it was like the firsttime I had seen them cry
because the event was over, andit was it was so heartwarming,
and they like they were like, Iwe have to do this again really
soon.
So I'm so happy, see, yes, itwas it was their prom.
And that was that was honestlya huge inspiration for us.
Like, what about prom?
(35:51):
Like, yeah, like we want aprom, but better.
Because I've been tohomecomings of like public
schools, and it's like theydon't you're kind of expected to
just go out there and dance.
We had a caller that liketaught you the dances, so
everyone participated, no matterlike they didn't know how to,
even if they didn't know how todance, everyone participated,
they were taught, and everyonehad a ton of fun.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh, I love that.
So cool.
All right, where can peoplefind you if they want to check
out the Teen Mastermind?
Speaker (36:16):
Yeah, so the main website would be
theteenmastermind.com, and thenour next uh in-person event is
gonna be in Scottsdale, Arizonaat the end of January, and you
can find that atteenmastermindlive.com.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
All right, I will put all of those links in the
show's description.
Congratulations on your successand good luck at your black
belt.
I know nothing about thatstuff, but I know it's
important.
Speaker (36:39):
So thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
That's amazing.
Thank you so much, Malcolm, forjoining us today.
This has been so informativeand so cool.
Speaker (36:46):
That was so fun.
Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
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