November 26, 2025 • 47 mins
Healing addiction is real — chasing “one more healing” can become the very thing keeping you from feeling whole.
In this episode, Byron and Michael look at the fine line between helpful practice and healing addiction. They name the hidden driver—pain and disconnection—and how it can turn breathwork, plant medicine, and nonstop workshops into a spin cycle that never truly lands.
Byron questions the inner program of “I am broken,” and offers a reframe: protect your energy with gentleness, boundaries, and integration—letting insights settle before reaching for the next fix.
They contrast feminine healing (feeling, processing) with masculine commitment (clear intentions, follow-through), reminding us both are needed. Instead of digging forever, he suggests real-time healing: slow enough to notice what’s alive now, journal it, meet responsibilities, and return to it with honesty.
The heart of his message: stop outsourcing your power to healers or methods; claim your own change. If you’ve ever felt stuck in “just one more ceremony/class/session,” this conversation gently opens the door out.
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Episode Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:02:26 Addiction vs. Habit
00:05:31 Pain, Disconnection, and the Void
00:07:49 Dopamine, Sugar, Coffee, and Phones
00:10:27 When Healing Becomes a Spin Cycle
00:13:46 The “I Am Broken” Program
00:16:15 Gentleness Without Bypassing
00:18:08 Self-Talk, Journaling, Therapy
00:21:10 Ahimsa & Svadhyaya in Practice
00:27:03 Intention, Commitment, and Balance
00:28:36 Integration > Endless Doing
00:35:11 Real-Time Healing
00:39:31 Altered States vs. Slowing Down
00:41:07 Pedestals, Gurus & Claiming Your Power
00:44:13 No Finish Line; Keep It Human
00:46:10 Closing
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📚 Mentions & Resources:
Concepts: Samskaras, Ahimsa, Svadhyaya, Sankalpa, Shiva/Shakti; integration vs. overdoing; altered states (breathwork, plant medicine)
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(00:00):
Hello, welcome back to the podcast.
This is Michael Henry here. And today we're going to be
talking about, well, the title'sgoing to probably change, but
something related to the addiction of healing or the
addiction of kind of looking in and pulling out all the cords
and stripping away and just, youknow, trying to fix everything.
(00:21):
And not only that, but I'm not alone.
We have formerly known as Satya Rishi in the house.
Byron is with us again. So we're going to be
deconstructing this topic and breaking it down a little bit.
So before we kind of get into that, I just thought I'd plug
something in here if you are newto the podcast or you have been
(00:42):
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That's going to be a great way for us to be able to reach more
people and share this podcast with as many people as possible.
So thank you for that. Otherwise, for today's episode,
(01:02):
like I said, we're going to talkabout addiction to healing or
something along those lines. Now, in this world of yoga,
there is the element of healing or the element of, you know,
introspection, finding things within ourselves and, you know,
shedding layers, if you will. We talk about some scaras, some
scaras or mental impressions, things in which, you know, some
(01:25):
people call them traumas. But ultimately, we're trying to
or people want that desire to kind of remove or, or get rid of
as many of those things as possible and ultimately trying
to seek some sort of sense of peace.
And the question is, is, you know, when does it become enough
or not enough for when do you stop or when do you keep going?
And like, you know, how big, how, how deep do you dig?
(01:49):
And there's just a lot of thingsthat we can talk about here.
So, thinking about this topic ingeneral, Byron, first of all,
welcome. Thank you very much.
And I don't know if you want to say anything at all, but
otherwise, yeah. What do you think about this
topic overall? Well, I think, you know, there's
a way to look at it through maturity and the lens of, you
know, our professions and what we've seen out there.
(02:09):
And there's also just a way to just fucking call people out and
just even ourselves in certain times is, you know, just as an
unhealthy pattern is that that can repeat itself over and over,
you know, where you just kind ofget stuck in the the
metaphorical washing machine over and over and over again of,
(02:30):
of something. I think this podcast episode is,
is more about just addiction in general to to understand that
and then to put that framework over healing.
Yeah, like you said. OK, cool.
So then let's just go into some simple breakdown definition
since you are much of A wordsmith.
(02:52):
Thinking of the word addiction, I also saw a word, another word
that might not necessarily an exact synonym, but habit,
something that we want to do a lot of would be, I'd say the
thread through for both of those.
I would say that a word addiction itself might have a
little bit of a negative connotation associated to it
because people might think addiction to some sort of bad
(03:13):
thing. You know, it's too much like
addiction might mean too much ofsomething.
And then habit isn't necessarilyseen as a negative.
I would say habit might actuallyseem more on like the positive
side, like, oh, I want to develop good habit versus bad
habit, and a bad habit might be an addiction, possibly.
So just wanted to kind of createthat similar language of those
(03:34):
words there. But I would say that a lot of
people probably don't feel like they have an addiction, but I
would say everybody does. They might just not call it an
addiction. True.
True on the everyone has one forsure.
And I would say one of them that's probably pretty universal
nowadays is using a phone, a phone and what the phone does to
(03:56):
the body and the nervous system.Sometimes I think about the
phone. I'm just like, wow, like if you
took away the phone from us, me,what would I do, right?
It was just, you know, I hate tosay that to public national
audience here, but it's true. And it's hard to imagine life
without that device. It's so crucial to so many
(04:20):
things nowadays that it it's creating that addiction and
yeah, and so many different things to like, you know,
whether it's supplements or foods or, you know, dopamine
hits in different ways. Sometimes that comes through
substances. It can also come through just
love bombing and, you know, needing to be complimented and,
(04:44):
you know, just we get addicted. I think we're just without
awareness. We don't really know.
We just accept that as who we are and the ego absorbs it.
It's like that's. Just who I.
Am this is what I do and. Until you slow.
Down enough to feel, to be aware, and to discern.
Hopefully to discern and not to feed the ego even deeper, not to
(05:08):
judge, you know, good or bad andto be shame yourself into
anything, but to look at it and be like, oh, is this serving me?
Is this habit or is this an addiction?
And then from there we get to break free if we want to little
by little or all at once. And that can be a painful
process. But I think backtracking just a
little bit into addiction and like where that comes from is
(05:32):
important. Where does addiction come from?
It's very interesting to think about and the studies suggest
that it comes from. What do you think?
I mean, I have an idea, do you want me to share it?
Pain. Yeah, I was going to say
(05:53):
avoidance. This something disconnection and
pain, which you could say avoidance is some sort of
disconnection. So yeah, pain and and
disconnection, we feel that avoidance is the words.
We feel that void, right, With something that helps us feel
more connected or less pain or let's use the word whole.
(06:17):
It makes you feel whole. So an addiction from now, our
newly framed definition is a lack of wholeness.
Is, is, is is one way to look atit.
And now an addiction is born, born.
And there can be a dependency there.
It's not just mental. It can be an actual physical
dependency. Yeah, I just think starting
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there is a very important piece of the puzzle.
Yeah, I think it's really good. I mean, personally, when I think
of addiction, I mean, we were talking about relating it to
healing, and we'll definitely get to that.
But I think sugar is just like asimple, relatable one that most
people can kind of connect to. Like, Yep, you know, sugar has a
certain effect in the body chemically that releases, you
(07:00):
know, dopamine and all this stuff and basically does a bunch
of things to your hormones. But in itself, it is something
that gives us pleasure, at leastin a moment.
How about coffee? I know it's not one for you, but
for me, I'm heavily addicted to coffee at the moment.
Right and. Yeah, I'm not always, and I love
(07:21):
the moments when I've weaned myself away from it, but I think
of that too. It's like, even for me, worse
than sugar. Yeah, and I think there's, I
mean, you know, you can have an addiction to something that's,
let's say not as, you know, ingesting chemical wise, like
it's something that you're actually ingesting and you're
there's changes happening in your body.
But like, you know, let's say video games or scrolling on the
(07:42):
phone or like just picking up your phone and like, you know,
whatever, just looking at apps or looking at Instagram or
whatever the hell you're lookingat.
And I'm sure there's other ones,but I think of the ingesting
ones like coffee, sugar or whatever, sweets, something like
that. The actual act of it can be the
addicting, but there's also the actual chemical changes that
sugar has an effect on your system.
(08:03):
Coffee has an effect on your system, which I would actually
say might even double down on the effect or the the challenge
of that addiction. But you know, I'm not gonna
break this down too much chemistry wise 'cause I would
imagine it's all related to the same thing, that dopamine hit
and how it much that effect influences our desire for more
(08:24):
of it. But I do know that with sugar,
you definitely have some gut, you know, microbiome changes
that now you are going to have bacteria in your gut that is
particularly going to crave moreof that thing in addition to the
dopamine hit. And I, you know, people say that
sugar is one of the most addictive substances that
exists. You know, you know, it's up
(08:45):
there with like cocaine and heroin and whatever.
So just wanted to bring that into awareness.
But you know, doesn't necessarily have to be just
about that. I think a lot of it is the three
line here is just the dopamine change of the shift that we get.
Also the the mental dependency is is a thing too.
Like so many people that smoke cigarettes, they don't miss the
(09:05):
nicotine as much as they do the act of holding that cigarette.
Or so they say. So they say, but also coffee can
be like that, you know, you can replace you just need to drink
something, need to sip somethingto.
So I think the mental, to me that's a mental attachment
that's that's taking place and it's like the Pavlov.
(09:26):
Yeah, it's like a habit. At this point, we're talking
about the habit of the addiction.
Yeah, it's like the Pavlov experiment.
Experiment where the dog hears the bell and it salivates.
Yeah, because it's it's conditioned now it knows that
once I have that morning cigarette, like this chain of
events will take place. I might feel peace.
I might feel this emotion. I might my morning bathroom
(09:47):
routine, whatever kind of comes into the order.
You're like, without that I can't even imagine the day
happening. Yeah, there's a certain level of
familiarity that comes with thathabit or that that, you know,
thing that we do regularly and that familiarity, familiarity
has an impact on our nervous system's comfort level, right.
When things are familiar and notnew, habitually they feel more
(10:09):
in that parasympathetic, like, OK, cool, I don't have this like
fear fight or fight response that might kind of kick in
sympathetic response. So just bringing awareness to
that. And then turning it into what we
started this episode by mentioning, which is the healing
paradigm. The healing paradigm, which
includes what? Breath work, yoga, cathartic
(10:34):
releases, somatics, plant medicine, somatic, whatever you
want to call somatics, could be cathartic releases.
What else can you put there? There's so many things certain,
like not necessarily body works,but you could include like
massage, you know, sauna tissue.Yeah, exactly.
(10:54):
Anything that's kind of like physically doing something to
your body and making change, youknow, even yoga, being addicted
to that, the feeling of yoga, which not might not necessarily
be a bad thing, but you know, too much in anything that is in
excess, it might not be good depending on the context.
True. So yeah, that's what I think
about. Yep.
(11:15):
So as we go into a deeper conversation about that and we
look and we remember back to a few minutes ago when we said
that addiction comes from pain and disconnection or avoidance.
Then you start to look at if youare having there is an addiction
(11:36):
that you know, you are kind of stuck in the spin cycle of the
healing paradigm. Now we live in Ubud Bali, which
is, is a very, it's a Mecca. It's a Mecca for, for all types
of healing. I mean a bud or Ubud, a bud.
Technically that word in Bolognese means healing, healing
and medicine. So we are in the healing village
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of Bali, which is already known for healing.
And so, so many people across the world, whether they are
called here subconsciously or they actually consciously come
here for that, that's what they're here for.
And so they, they're trying out all the things.
You know, so many of these people are coming through the
yoga barn classes and trying them out and asking me about the
shamans and asking me about, andwho's the best healer I can go
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to. Or they're just there, or
they're just grabbing onto the, the fat, the closest thing they
can because they're only here for a few days.
Or maybe they're, maybe they're here longer in a month.
But you start to see this pattern in this archetype start
to reveal itself through this. And I, I don't want to say
everybody's the same. By no means is anyone the same.
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But you do see the patterns arise where they're just,
they're just kind of stuck in this, like this one thing I'm
doing breath work today or not tomorrow I got somatics.
Now I'm going to this like kundalini activation thing.
Well, now I'm going to go to this family systems, internal
family assistance thing. By the way, do you know a good
hypnotherapist? And I'm just like, wow, yeah, so
(13:02):
much. Now, some of these people, to be
fair, they're only here for a short amount of time.
So they're trying to get, you know, it's like being in, you
know, a place where the best candy is in the world.
Yeah, you're like Disneyland. Like, I want to ride every
single ride. Yeah.
So I got to get in there. But then you also see people who
are here for quite a while and they still are doing that as
(13:24):
well. And so I'm going to do, I do
want to speak to that nature of what is that pain, what is
happening. If you are constantly seeking
something like that to make yourself whole, maybe that's not
the way you look at it until unless you were to slow down to
me, there's a deeper program that's running that deeper
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program that programming is saying I am broken.
I am broken and I need to be fixed.
This is a very dangerous programto run because it doesn't matter
how many of those things you go through, if that program isn't
erased or reprogrammed, upgraded, updated, then I
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believe you will just continue that cycle.
Nothing will ever be good enoughbecause you're broken and you're
looking for something to fix youthat's outside of you.
Well, the story is that I'm broken.
Yeah, I am broken. And this is such a painful story
in its own. So that pain will just keep
coming back. It'll keep the residue from that
story is too powerful. It's so ingrained.
(14:35):
It's so conditioned within someone's psyche that no matter
how much breath work you do, youmight have yourself a beautiful
release. You might have yourself a
cathartic shift where your life is just completely shifted
upside down and you feel all these beautiful emotions.
And maybe from that, maybe you've opened up to the point
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where maybe enough love can be received.
Maybe you can see that sunset orthat that you know.
See through a lens of of beauty more and and take in more, let's
say less distortion and more truth.
Maybe that is going to happen. Maybe that's.
Possible. You can slowly chip away at that
story to where you realize that you are already whole.
(15:18):
But if you don't, then it's justgoing to keep repeating itself
over and over and over again. And thus lies the addiction
that. Lies the addiction.
Which is a never ending cycle ofyeah when?
How does it stop exactly? Well, how does it stop?
Is is this thing that I from my experience, something that I can
(15:39):
speak from and I see some peoplethat would probably benefit from
implementing this. It's this word called
gentleness, being gentle and being gentle and not talking
about like how you like might touch something, you know,
(16:00):
gently. But I am also, you know, I'm
talking about how you how you treat yourself, how you speak to
yourself. And gentleness to me is it's
something that one of my old mentors always used to talk
about gentleness, gentleness, gentleness.
And it's not like it hit me immediately.
(16:21):
It took years for it to really settle in.
I had another mentor, by the way, who was saying don't ever
be gentle, never be gentle. And it was funny, you know, I
was like kind of having to play with this in my own mind, Like
what is gentle and what's not? And why is this person think
it's one thing and this other thing?
Do they think it's the same thing?
But essentially it's like how you talk to yourself.
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Like do you love yourself? Do you love yourself?
If you really truly love yourself, you'll be gentle.
Now you can be gentle but firm, you know, and have boundaries,
but still be gentle. But if you have any tinge of, of
you know, like tinge means like there's, it's like there's
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something seeping through that'snot like a, a love vibration for
yourself. That's like you're a fuck up,
you're a mess up, you're broken.If there's any tinge of that
when you, when you are doing that self talk, it doesn't, it
doesn't reprogram that brokenness, it feeds it.
You become more broken from it because you are essentially a
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frequency. You know you are vibrating, your
words have energy behind them, and even if you're not verbally
outright saying it, you're thinking it, which might be even
worse because you're not actually able to hear yourself
say the thing that you're thinking.
So then it perpetuates itself and you start to get all kinds
of convoluted and confused because our minds are not
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designed to be so overstimulated.
So you, in my opinion, we shouldbe expressing all this.
So whether you have a journalingpractice to really see what your
thoughts are doing in order of some sort of stream that they
can come out and movements greatyou can express.
Yourself through movements. Therapy.
This is why a lot of people liketherapy.
(18:11):
I, you know, so just hire a therapist.
It's not just working with the mind, but you know, it's
definitely helpful. Anyways, I saw you writing
something down over there. Yeah, just a couple little
thoughts. You said a lot of good things
and I didn't want to distract from it.
Yeah. Being kind to yourself in the
story of not being enough or notworthy enough for needing to to
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show worth or feel validated of being enough for something to
that effect. I feel it's just, it's all under
the surface of all this stuff. And I think about an exercise
that the Jeff who he's not probably the only one that has
done this before, but I've heardhim say, you know, I just want
you to go home and write down 100 things about yourself that
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you love and that's your homework.
And that I know that just, you know, if you're listening to
this, think about doing that. Just the thought of doing that
might not, you might already have some resistance like that
sounds like a hard exercise, right?
So if you're feeling that like this is it sounds like a hard
exercise, then that might just give you a little bit of a pulse
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on where you are with your view of yourself, right.
Maybe you're thinking, Oh, I canprobably do like 50, maybe 20 a
hundred, like fuck, that's not very many.
Oh, sorry, that is a lot. But it's like, you know, how
kind are you to yourself? Do you give moments to actually
acknowledge the things that are beautiful about yourself?
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Or is it always looking at the things that need to be quote UN
quote fixed or the things that are broken?
And look, I mean, I have a lot of compassion for this overall
perspective of the world becausethe world in which we live in,
there's a lot of focus on what'swrong, fixing things,
highlighting the things that arewrong.
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I mean, just the overall school system in general.
You know, I don't want to talk globally, but I would say
overall, there's a lot of, at least in my experience, first
world ish countries are having this.
Like, you know, you come to school, you learn things, but
you're also being disciplined insuch a way to highlight whenever
things are not correct or wrong.And here's the red pen and let
me like write all those things and you're being evaluated on
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what how good you are basically.So it's like all that stuff's
just being imprinted in us in a lifestyle way.
And also generationally, I'm sure it's just being passed on
as well. So a lot of compassion there.
Like it's super difficult to kind of navigate that.
But also talking about it like we are now is, is what helps to
bring light to it, which allows to bring this consciousness to
the conversation. So that was the first thing I
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thought about. And if that's an exercise that
you have not done before, I think I've done it or I've tried
to do it and I think I got past like the 50 mark and then I
think I got distracted by something else.
But anyway, I would implore you if that's something that you
want to do, that's a nice littlething, right?
If you're looking about healing yourself, heal yourself through
a pen and paper and write down all the things that you love
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about yourself that you're grateful for, the things that
you have, not the things that you don't have.
And then the other things that Ithought about was just the
context of a himsa non violence,which is basically as we feel
these or have these beliefs about ourselves, that is
violence towards ourselves, whether through you, through
(21:26):
words, thoughts, emotions on howwe feel about ourselves.
And that's the first Yama, how do you feel about yourself?
And if it is that exercise of writing down 100 things seems
challenging, then maybe that's just the starting point there.
And then I go, you know, jump into some of the niyamas and the
next one would be Svadia. Yeah, which is all about self
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study and looking in and being like, oh what, how am I the
like, why am I doing the things that I'm doing and why is this
happening? And that's great.
But too much of that might result in some of this like self
deprecated, like judgment or evaluation.
So, you know, there's a balance between the two and just
bringing awareness to it is kindof what I wanted to at least
highlight. Yeah, a lot of good stuff you're
(22:09):
saying there, and I'll see what I can kind of come up with from
that. So I what I heard you say with
the world and the, the, the schools, you know, education or
whatever you brought up there, it's like, you know, this is a
podcast where we attract a lot of yoga people, people who are
teachers, people who are interested in personal
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development, people who are interested in emotional
intelligence, all this stuff. I'm like the, the, the Satya
Rishi than me. The truth seeker in me is just
like, yeah, the reality is like,I don't like to bypass anything.
And like the, the truth, one of the truths I believe, and this
is a this is a truth for a lot of people, is that the world is
harsh. The world is so harsh and it
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creates pain. From the moment most of us are
born, we are being fed some sortof story that is perpetuating a
mental imprint, or mental samskara, as yoga would call it.
Patterns that are causing pain and disconnection.
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They're causing pain and disconnection.
You're not good enough. The story of you could do better
or why aren't you getting bettergrades than Billy?
And whatever the case is, like, beat your opponent at this
sport. And I love sports, but that's an
experience that a lot of us have.
And if you are rooting that, youknow, if you're you're taught to
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compete in a healthy way, that'sone thing.
But if you're not taught that, then you may just be trying to
earn the praise and the love of whoever it is, your coach, your
family, your parents, whatever it is.
And so then you'd at all costs, you want to earn that love and
that you're secretly rooting on other people's failures when you
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are trying to win something. And this is like, you know, it's
a, it's a whole podcast in its own to be honest, but it, it
feeds into this whole addiction thing where addiction comes from
that void of pain and disconnection.
There's the pain in the disconnection.
We've, we've found one of the biggest ones.
It happens early on and oftentimes it never gets
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confronted and looked at becauseit continues the, the grown-ups
when we were young, we call themgrown-ups.
Eventually we call ourselves adults and they don't, they
don't really untie the knots unless they do.
And some people move to Bali anddecided to go crazy with it
because they're like, I've got so many knots.
I'm but that program of I am broken doesn't really get looked
(24:43):
at. Now that's what I love about
yoga. Yoga has this lens of looking at
things from universal or a perspective of we, we are whole.
We are perfect by nature in someways.
If you can empty yourself out, the intelligence of your body,
(25:06):
energetically, mind, body, connection, call it all the
layers, all the coaches together, they know what to do.
All you got to do is just let goand surrender.
Just let go. And then the intelligence
organizes itself for the greatergood and you have more whatever
you want to call it, more peace,more love.
Maybe more understanding, maybe not, but you're more clear.
(25:30):
So all of that, you know, kind of came up when you were talking
about the school systems. But then what else came up kind
of pivoting slightly is when we're talking about these people
who are all over the world really, but in a boot, for
example, that get stuck in the spin cycle and they're just
healing and healing got the breath work today.
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It just happened to my friend a couple days ago.
This person I met and pretty recently, but I called him my
friend. They're here for not too long
and they they took a breath, breath, breath work session
probably when they weren't readyfor it.
They've been doing yoga like crazy.
They don't do a lot of yoga and that breath thing made him sick.
They overdid it and now they're sick.
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Now something, and I'm channelling a bit of our our
friend Paul here, but. I wrote.
I wrote Paul's name. Over here, I think it's
necessary, absolutely. I think we should, yeah.
The masculine nature, you know, of, of sometimes we need to
remove our emotions from things and we need to move forward and
(26:35):
whether that's making a commitment, you know, whether
that is doing what you say you're going to do.
I don't think forward, just moving forward without a pure
intention is, is a foolproof wayto let's say sustainable might
(26:58):
be a better word, but some way to like proceed forward with
your life that's going to clean you out from the inside.
I do think your intention, son culpa determination, but to set
that intention so deeply that it's unbreakable.
It's so important to you that you're determined to follow
through with it so that you can recall these intentions and and
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then move forward with masculineenergy, right?
So in the feminine, I would consider that being like quite a
healing energy of just feel process, kind of go through all
of that. Let the Shakti energy rise
within you. Meanwhile, there's that part of
us that's more the Shiva part, which can set boundaries, can
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break patterns, can just sit andstillness, you know, and let's
say shift suffering, you know, just by our willpower.
And I think that's what I'm saying by the masculine.
I'm just using that word. Masculine is a little more of a
role where Shiva's more ingrained within many, many
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centuries of. Of study so commitment comes to
mind integrity that go energy. And sometimes if you're in that
spin cycle, I think it's important to acknowledge that
type of energy and how powerful it is because this is a
balancing act regardless of who you are.
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It's all about balance. I just went on a went on a
tangent. Yeah.
It was good, yeah. Letting letting that integrate a
little bit. Well, that's the word.
I got right there is integrationis the thing I didn't speak to
that I wrote down because of allof this.
Where does the integration happen if you're constantly
doing this, constantly on the next thing, constantly on the
next? If I constantly just talk like
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this and I just kept on talking like this and I kept on talking
like this, and I mean, pretty soon you'd just turn off the
podcast. But things have to integrate.
That's why we pause between sentences.
That's why we don't do 8 breath breath work sessions in a row or
8 yoga classes in a row. Or if you do, where's the
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integration? You got to ask yourself that.
Yep. So I wrote down a few things and
just to kind of give some different perspective on it,
just thinking about exercising in general, whether it be going
to the gym or going for a run orplaying a sport, you can't do it
every day either. You need time to recover.
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Call it integration, call it recovering, call it healing,
call it like regaining energy, whatever the hell you want.
The point is, is there's still arecovery period.
So I would say similarly, like if there's too much of anything,
you need time to integrate. And that's, you know, the word
integration I feel is used a lotin this kind of world of yoga.
Like what does it actually mean to me?
It's recovery to me. It's time for your body to
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reorganize itself. Not like physically.
Well, yes, that is true and a lot of the physical practices,
but sometimes it's just energetically.
And if that doesn't speak to youwhen I say energetically
rearranging, just trust that your nervous system is Electro
magnetically rearranging itself.Pathways are shifting,
meridians, energy lines, all this stuff is kind of moving
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blood flow, whatever type of science resonates with you.
But there's shifting that needs to happen and it doesn't happen
in the moment of the actual practice.
It happens after the practice. Just like when you exercise and
you're going to the gym. You don't build the strength
when you're at the gym, you build the strength after during
the recovery. Your body actually, to give a
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simple little statistic, you actually burn more calories
after a workout than you do during the workout while you're
actually in the recovery process.
So just something to kind of relate this in a different way,
but we're still talking about the same thing.
So that's one thing. Because if your system kind of
gets overloaded, like too much exercise, then you end up your
immune system starts to lower. All these things happen.
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And that's when you end up possibly getting injured.
Or in the context of healing, you might actually get sick.
Because now your system might not be able to handle all of the
stuff that's going through because it needs time to work
through it, to shift and move things around and whatever.
And that takes a lot of energy to just do that.
Hey, that makes me think of the addiction.
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It's all tied together, you know, whether it's scrolling
cell phone, the addiction, it's a non integration.
In some ways it's like to avoid integration like like the
avoidance is like I'm I'm so addicted to just doing something
to activity is oftentimes it that the integration step gets
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bypassed. Yeah.
So if you're listening still, let yourself let this land.
Don't just load up another podcast unless it's one of ours.
Just kidding. But regardless, it's it's.
It you can. You can put that on anything.
Let things digest. And the really the last thing
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that I have on this is, is the first thing one of the first
things I brought up. Well, I don't know if it's the
first thing, but I, when I talked about being gentle, I, I
have these like moments of remembering like when I slow
down enough and when I shift into gentleness.
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Sometimes I, I just associate gentle and slow together for
some reason. So if I slow down enough and I'm
gentle, to me, I'm looking at this like a frequency.
There's some sort of vibrationalfrequency.
And that's actually the medicinethat is needed for the shift to
happen, for acceptance to be realized.
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It is the slowing down that makes gentleness possible.
You can think about gentleness all day, but it doesn't actually
land. Gentleness itself needs
integration. So it's like 1 of someone I've
respect once said that the fastest way to get where I want
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to go is to slow down. The fastest way to get to where
I want to go is to slow down. That's magic right there.
So we're all, what are we all trying to do and what are we
really trying to do? And if you do actually slow down
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without the, the pressure that might be felt for I got to do
this. Oh my, I can't slow down.
I got to do this. But if you.
Truly slow down, as if time didn't exist.
And we've all had moments where we have slowed down and enjoyed
the present moment so deeply. Such a juicy, powerful, potent
moment of slowing down where youdon't care about time.
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All of a sudden, whatever you had to do to isn't important
anymore. But if you just can hit those
moments of when you slow down intentionally, then that
gentleness, it sets in. And that gentleness is a
vibration. It's not just a word.
That vibration of gentleness is the opposite of disconnection.
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It is connection, and that connection is leading to
acceptance, and that acceptance is leading to rewiring the old
story of I Am Broken. Boom.
That would drop the mic, but it's attached to this.
I'm glad I don't want you to break my mic, but did that land?
(34:43):
Give some time for that to land.I'm sure a few people.
Listen to that and they're like,wow.
And other people are like. What the fuck is this guy
talking about again? Yeah, or they were checked out
because they were working out they're.
Scrolling on their phone. Driving on the car and they're
not listening. Hey, listen to us.
Listen, listen, listen to this right now.
Listen to me. Look at me.
Great. So, yeah, the the other thing
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that I want to share before we kind of wrap this up, and this
is something that I kind of apply to my own healing
practice, the way that I heal. And that is addressing the thing
that's coming up, the thing that's alive or the thing that's
like, or what I would call real time, real time healing.
As opposed to just like I'm justgoing to dig and dig and dig and
dig and dig and dig. How about let's like look at the
thing that's actually showing and revealing itself.
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Now you need to have a certain amount of slowness, presence to
be able to even notice the thingthat's showing up.
And maybe that thing that's showing up is the thing that
needs to be addressed. Or maybe there's nothing that
actually needs to be addressed in this particular moment.
And then you just live life and enjoy it because I mean, what's
the point of all the healing? It's probably to enjoy life.
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So there's got to be moments where you're enjoying it.
So the slowing down allows that for me, the opportunity to to
see like when things, when I'm enjoying life and things are
going well, this is great. When things are not going well,
then maybe there's something there that needs to be looked
at. I'm triggered by something or
I'm feeling really stressed out or I have too much going on.
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It's like, OK, maybe I should stop and look at that.
Like, why? What is it?
And maybe in that moment is partof the healing.
Maybe I need to like figure out what I need to do about that
particular thing. So that's what I think about
with real time healing. But also at the same time to
bring in a bit of that Paul energy.
You know, every time something comes up, you don't want to just
be like, stop the world and be like, OK, I got to look at this
thing because that's not how we can operate in this material
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world. You still need to deal with your
responsibilities, take care of business, work, family, whatever
it is. That being said, you still, you
can still have an opportunity tonot forget about those things or
not ignore those things. So as you're moving through
life, these things come up and then, you know, what I like to
do sometimes is write them down like, and even if I don't know
(36:54):
what it is like, ah, today was stressful or today I felt like
this or this thing happened and whatever.
And I just write it down and I put it out of my mind a little
bit and then I focus on my responsibilities, whatever it
might be. And then I eventually come back
and look at that and be like, OK, so this is my healing.
What does this tell me? You know, like, sure, I can go
talk to a therapist. Sure, I can go like, you don't
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do semantics and breath work andall this stuff.
Or I can just sit and actually like self study.
Like why did that bother me? Sit in meditation and feel what
it is. Maybe I need to slow down.
Maybe I need to not take on so much stuff.
Maybe I need to make create moreboundaries here.
Maybe I need to not say yes to that thing that everyone wants
me to do. Maybe I need to take a day off.
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Maybe I do need to go talk to a therapist, right?
The actual solution to the healing might not be the first
step. It's more so just looking and
being like, OK, what is the thing when you have time to
actually look at it? And if not, then that's fine.
You can continue on with life. But if you continue on with life
and then you don't look at that thing, then that can pile up and
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build into stress. And then it feels overwhelming.
And then you're at a stage whereit's like, now I feel like I
need to heal everything because there's so much going on.
I feel like I have so many ties and all these things that are
kind of holding me down. And it's like, yeah, probably
because you've you've been ignoring them for so long
possibly that you feel like you need to get rid of them all so
quickly. And this kind of reminds me a
little bit of whenever people come to see me for their
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physical ailments and they're like, oh, I've had this problem
for, I don't know why I always get the chronic people, but four
years, 15 years, 20 years, and then they come and see me and
they're like, OK, cool, you're going to fix me, right?
I'm like, well, I'm going to definitely send you on your way.
But also recognize that if you've had this for this long, I
can't just snap my fingers and you're good.
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It's going to take a process of time to work through it.
And just like anything else thatcomes through or it reveals
itself, it's a real time healing.
OK, Yeah, you work on it, but also you got to continue on.
You can't just fix it in that moment and be like, OK, now I
got to fix the next thing and fix the next thing.
You deal with whatever kind of pain or ailment or thing,
restriction or thing that's challenging your nervous system
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or triggering you, and you try to give it attention so that it
doesn't compound like interest into your system and build these
samskaras or this stress in cortisol and chemistry that just
feels like life is difficult. So yeah, when things come up,
have a look at them. When they're not always coming
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up, you don't give it time. They'll show themselves.
Right. Yeah, made me think of one more
thing. We still have a second.
Yeah, yeah, we can do it. So altered States and like when
you were talking about slowing down, which I was talking about
too. And I agree, like obviously,
like I agree, the slowing down is such a huge component to
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awareness, that awareness allowsyou the opportunity to see is
something coming up or not, should I do something or not.
However, a lot of people want tospeed up and there's a lot of
healing practices that speed up and it it creates an altered
state, like Korea's the breath work, for example.
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Things that kind of speed up your system, so energy rises and
then you you reach this altered state, this altered state that
also substances also can create these altered States and then
shifting can happen within thesealtered states.
So I just wanted to make that link to where the altered state.
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You can also alter your state without by by slowing down.
It's kind of what I'm getting toby slowing down.
You can also alter your state, but for some reason a lot of us
want to go into the altered state through like a speeding up
process, speeding up when because it's probably that that
wiring is already conditioned within us to to to kind of want
(40:53):
to run at that speed. Yeah.
So I just thought that was a really interesting link that
came through when you were talking.
Just to speak. To the yeah, to the altered
states. I mean, the plant medicine is,
there's tons of people who have had amazing experiences through
plant medicine and changed theirlives for the better.
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There's tons of people who have gotten addicted to the plant
medicine and gotten stuck in that spin cycle.
And they've done like 25 ayahuasca.
Regimes more and also given credit to the plant.
Yeah, so giving credit to somebody else for your healing
is also part of this, the pedestaling that can happen when
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you put somebody on a pedestal because the guru did it.
This person, I can't do it without this person.
And that's a trap that I believeis probably coming from the I am
Broken story. So if you can are constantly
deflecting your experiences as you're not claiming them as your
own, your own doing, then they're not going to last.
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I'm here to tell you from my experience, at least now it's
one thing to give respect and honor.
That is beautiful. And I think that's kind of like
a form of gratitude. Thank you for this experience
and thank you for allowing me tosee what I can do.
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That is power. And then that power from within
you is is not stupid. That power within you recognizes
that you're giving credit to thesource of where it really came
from instead of somebody else. It's like, hey, look at me.
You don't see inside that I, youdid this.
Oh, my God, here we are again, just broken and then broken and
broken. And then here we go a few days
(42:40):
later, like, ah, give me some more of that plant.
Yeah. Or whatever it is.
Yeah, I usually say the things. Thank you for revealing
yourself. I don't necessarily say those
words, but I, I kind of like, for example, I'm not to get too
much in the details, but a few years, few days ago, I had a bit
of a shift. Something came up and I didn't
know what it was. And I had to do work to figure
(43:02):
that out. But I also at the same time, I
was, it was a little weird, but I was also like kind of like
going into the state of gratitude and like, thank you
for revealing this thing that I need to look at.
So having that kind of. And that's what makes me think
about it. So, yeah, I mean, we're going to
come to, we're going to come to an ending.
Yeah, that's good. And what the, the interesting
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thing about the ending is that it makes me think about the
healing. You know, you rush the healing,
you try to get it all done. There isn't, there's never an
ending, right? It never stops.
So why try to do it all? And if you try to do it all,
you're, and Paul uses this analogy, it's like you're trying
to exfoliate your skin and you're trying to make your skin
as beautiful as possible and you're trying to do it all when
the first like day or week. And it's like, what's going to
(43:46):
happen if you try to do that? You're just going to RIP apart
your entire body, right? You need to allow time for the
healing, the recovery, the, you know, the integration, the all
that stuff to happen. So, you know, talking about all
this stuff, I really appreciate the the perspective of the, the
view or the identity or the belief system of yourself and
(44:07):
your relationship with yourself and coming back to that, like
non violence and like your love towards yourself, I think is
important. And also recognizing that like
it just never ends. Just like your physical
ailments, you know, you're always going to have some
physical challenges as you move through life.
And it's not so much the ending of trying to fix everything
because fixing has this thing like the job's done when it's
fixed. And the reality is life that
their job is never done. You're always you're still
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navigating life and there's always going to be challenges
and there's always things that we looked at.
Thank you for revealing yourself.
I'll look at this or I'll try todeal with this, which brings in
the real time things. So yeah, it's just the never,
it's a never ending thing. So don't try to end it because
it won't. Nature is perfect.
It's figured it out. I mean, natural disasters, which
have been around since the beginning of this planet are
(44:51):
perfect too. And even even though they might
destruct, you know, and we are perfect by design, you know,
just like the trees that grow and the flowers that bloom and
the mistletoe that occasionally has, you know, like Clover that
has like 3 or 4 leaves sometimes.
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And, and then as humans, we decide to like put meaning
behind certain things like, oh, that means luck or that means
that's, that flower is, you know, growing sideways.
That's a broken flower. I mean, whatever we do, at the
end of the day, it is just unconditional love.
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Love yourself no matter what, but hold yourself to high
standards at the same time. And that's all I got to say on
this subject. We have some bolt.
What are these called here? These things sound effects,
sound effects that we created. I wanted to try the one of them.
Yeah. The Ohm 1.
Sure, that's the top left. Let's see what you guys think
(45:53):
about this. Here we go.
Oh, do you guys like that? Let us know.
I got one more. Yeah.
No, I'm going in. OK, I'll leave it at that.
Thank you guys for listening. I need recap.
No, I think I already kind of brought that through, but I will
(46:16):
extend the invitation to reach out, as always.
You know, you can either messageme or Byron on Instagram.
That seems to be the easiest way, and that's the way that
people tend to do it. Byron Yoga, Yeah.
Byron yoga or Michael yoga dot PT is the best way to do it.
So yeah. Your thoughts or, you know,
counterpoints or whatever you have just, you know, we're all
about welcoming that stuff in. And if you're, if you're
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interested in other topics, thatalso is great as well because,
you know, we always try to bringthings in that are relevant for
what people want to hear. So if there's something that's
relevant to you, just bring it up and we will bring it up.
Otherwise, thank you so much forlistening and we'll talk to you
next week. Thank you.
Thank you and I look forward to the next one.
Hello, welcome back to the podcast.
This is Michael Henry here. And today we're going to be
talking about, well, the title'sgoing to probably change, but
something related to the addiction of healing or the
addiction of kind of looking in and pulling out all the cords
and stripping away and just, youknow, trying to fix everything.
(00:21):
And not only that, but I'm not alone.
We have formerly known as Satya Rishi in the house.
Byron is with us again. So we're going to be
deconstructing this topic and breaking it down a little bit.
So before we kind of get into that, I just thought I'd plug
something in here if you are newto the podcast or you have been
(00:42):
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That's going to be a great way for us to be able to reach more
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So thank you for that. Otherwise, for today's episode,
(01:02):
like I said, we're going to talkabout addiction to healing or
something along those lines. Now, in this world of yoga,
there is the element of healing or the element of, you know,
introspection, finding things within ourselves and, you know,
shedding layers, if you will. We talk about some scaras, some
scaras or mental impressions, things in which, you know, some
(01:25):
people call them traumas. But ultimately, we're trying to
or people want that desire to kind of remove or, or get rid of
as many of those things as possible and ultimately trying
to seek some sort of sense of peace.
And the question is, is, you know, when does it become enough
or not enough for when do you stop or when do you keep going?
And like, you know, how big, how, how deep do you dig?
(01:49):
And there's just a lot of thingsthat we can talk about here.
So, thinking about this topic ingeneral, Byron, first of all,
welcome. Thank you very much.
And I don't know if you want to say anything at all, but
otherwise, yeah. What do you think about this
topic overall? Well, I think, you know, there's
a way to look at it through maturity and the lens of, you
know, our professions and what we've seen out there.
(02:09):
And there's also just a way to just fucking call people out and
just even ourselves in certain times is, you know, just as an
unhealthy pattern is that that can repeat itself over and over,
you know, where you just kind ofget stuck in the the
metaphorical washing machine over and over and over again of,
(02:30):
of something. I think this podcast episode is,
is more about just addiction in general to to understand that
and then to put that framework over healing.
Yeah, like you said. OK, cool.
So then let's just go into some simple breakdown definition
since you are much of A wordsmith.
(02:52):
Thinking of the word addiction, I also saw a word, another word
that might not necessarily an exact synonym, but habit,
something that we want to do a lot of would be, I'd say the
thread through for both of those.
I would say that a word addiction itself might have a
little bit of a negative connotation associated to it
because people might think addiction to some sort of bad
(03:13):
thing. You know, it's too much like
addiction might mean too much ofsomething.
And then habit isn't necessarilyseen as a negative.
I would say habit might actuallyseem more on like the positive
side, like, oh, I want to develop good habit versus bad
habit, and a bad habit might be an addiction, possibly.
So just wanted to kind of createthat similar language of those
(03:34):
words there. But I would say that a lot of
people probably don't feel like they have an addiction, but I
would say everybody does. They might just not call it an
addiction. True.
True on the everyone has one forsure.
And I would say one of them that's probably pretty universal
nowadays is using a phone, a phone and what the phone does to
(03:56):
the body and the nervous system.Sometimes I think about the
phone. I'm just like, wow, like if you
took away the phone from us, me,what would I do, right?
It was just, you know, I hate tosay that to public national
audience here, but it's true. And it's hard to imagine life
without that device. It's so crucial to so many
(04:20):
things nowadays that it it's creating that addiction and
yeah, and so many different things to like, you know,
whether it's supplements or foods or, you know, dopamine
hits in different ways. Sometimes that comes through
substances. It can also come through just
love bombing and, you know, needing to be complimented and,
(04:44):
you know, just we get addicted. I think we're just without
awareness. We don't really know.
We just accept that as who we are and the ego absorbs it.
It's like that's. Just who I.
Am this is what I do and. Until you slow.
Down enough to feel, to be aware, and to discern.
Hopefully to discern and not to feed the ego even deeper, not to
(05:08):
judge, you know, good or bad andto be shame yourself into
anything, but to look at it and be like, oh, is this serving me?
Is this habit or is this an addiction?
And then from there we get to break free if we want to little
by little or all at once. And that can be a painful
process. But I think backtracking just a
little bit into addiction and like where that comes from is
(05:32):
important. Where does addiction come from?
It's very interesting to think about and the studies suggest
that it comes from. What do you think?
I mean, I have an idea, do you want me to share it?
Pain. Yeah, I was going to say
(05:53):
avoidance. This something disconnection and
pain, which you could say avoidance is some sort of
disconnection. So yeah, pain and and
disconnection, we feel that avoidance is the words.
We feel that void, right, With something that helps us feel
more connected or less pain or let's use the word whole.
(06:17):
It makes you feel whole. So an addiction from now, our
newly framed definition is a lack of wholeness.
Is, is, is is one way to look atit.
And now an addiction is born, born.
And there can be a dependency there.
It's not just mental. It can be an actual physical
dependency. Yeah, I just think starting
(06:39):
there is a very important piece of the puzzle.
Yeah, I think it's really good. I mean, personally, when I think
of addiction, I mean, we were talking about relating it to
healing, and we'll definitely get to that.
But I think sugar is just like asimple, relatable one that most
people can kind of connect to. Like, Yep, you know, sugar has a
certain effect in the body chemically that releases, you
(07:00):
know, dopamine and all this stuff and basically does a bunch
of things to your hormones. But in itself, it is something
that gives us pleasure, at leastin a moment.
How about coffee? I know it's not one for you, but
for me, I'm heavily addicted to coffee at the moment.
Right and. Yeah, I'm not always, and I love
(07:21):
the moments when I've weaned myself away from it, but I think
of that too. It's like, even for me, worse
than sugar. Yeah, and I think there's, I
mean, you know, you can have an addiction to something that's,
let's say not as, you know, ingesting chemical wise, like
it's something that you're actually ingesting and you're
there's changes happening in your body.
But like, you know, let's say video games or scrolling on the
(07:42):
phone or like just picking up your phone and like, you know,
whatever, just looking at apps or looking at Instagram or
whatever the hell you're lookingat.
And I'm sure there's other ones,but I think of the ingesting
ones like coffee, sugar or whatever, sweets, something like
that. The actual act of it can be the
addicting, but there's also the actual chemical changes that
sugar has an effect on your system.
(08:03):
Coffee has an effect on your system, which I would actually
say might even double down on the effect or the the challenge
of that addiction. But you know, I'm not gonna
break this down too much chemistry wise 'cause I would
imagine it's all related to the same thing, that dopamine hit
and how it much that effect influences our desire for more
(08:24):
of it. But I do know that with sugar,
you definitely have some gut, you know, microbiome changes
that now you are going to have bacteria in your gut that is
particularly going to crave moreof that thing in addition to the
dopamine hit. And I, you know, people say that
sugar is one of the most addictive substances that
exists. You know, you know, it's up
(08:45):
there with like cocaine and heroin and whatever.
So just wanted to bring that into awareness.
But you know, doesn't necessarily have to be just
about that. I think a lot of it is the three
line here is just the dopamine change of the shift that we get.
Also the the mental dependency is is a thing too.
Like so many people that smoke cigarettes, they don't miss the
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nicotine as much as they do the act of holding that cigarette.
Or so they say. So they say, but also coffee can
be like that, you know, you can replace you just need to drink
something, need to sip somethingto.
So I think the mental, to me that's a mental attachment
that's that's taking place and it's like the Pavlov.
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Yeah, it's like a habit. At this point, we're talking
about the habit of the addiction.
Yeah, it's like the Pavlov experiment.
Experiment where the dog hears the bell and it salivates.
Yeah, because it's it's conditioned now it knows that
once I have that morning cigarette, like this chain of
events will take place. I might feel peace.
I might feel this emotion. I might my morning bathroom
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routine, whatever kind of comes into the order.
You're like, without that I can't even imagine the day
happening. Yeah, there's a certain level of
familiarity that comes with thathabit or that that, you know,
thing that we do regularly and that familiarity, familiarity
has an impact on our nervous system's comfort level, right.
When things are familiar and notnew, habitually they feel more
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in that parasympathetic, like, OK, cool, I don't have this like
fear fight or fight response that might kind of kick in
sympathetic response. So just bringing awareness to
that. And then turning it into what we
started this episode by mentioning, which is the healing
paradigm. The healing paradigm, which
includes what? Breath work, yoga, cathartic
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releases, somatics, plant medicine, somatic, whatever you
want to call somatics, could be cathartic releases.
What else can you put there? There's so many things certain,
like not necessarily body works,but you could include like
massage, you know, sauna tissue.Yeah, exactly.
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Anything that's kind of like physically doing something to
your body and making change, youknow, even yoga, being addicted
to that, the feeling of yoga, which not might not necessarily
be a bad thing, but you know, too much in anything that is in
excess, it might not be good depending on the context.
True. So yeah, that's what I think
about. Yep.
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So as we go into a deeper conversation about that and we
look and we remember back to a few minutes ago when we said
that addiction comes from pain and disconnection or avoidance.
Then you start to look at if youare having there is an addiction
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that you know, you are kind of stuck in the spin cycle of the
healing paradigm. Now we live in Ubud Bali, which
is, is a very, it's a Mecca. It's a Mecca for, for all types
of healing. I mean a bud or Ubud, a bud.
Technically that word in Bolognese means healing, healing
and medicine. So we are in the healing village
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of Bali, which is already known for healing.
And so, so many people across the world, whether they are
called here subconsciously or they actually consciously come
here for that, that's what they're here for.
And so they, they're trying out all the things.
You know, so many of these people are coming through the
yoga barn classes and trying them out and asking me about the
shamans and asking me about, andwho's the best healer I can go
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to. Or they're just there, or
they're just grabbing onto the, the fat, the closest thing they
can because they're only here for a few days.
Or maybe they're, maybe they're here longer in a month.
But you start to see this pattern in this archetype start
to reveal itself through this. And I, I don't want to say
everybody's the same. By no means is anyone the same.
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But you do see the patterns arise where they're just,
they're just kind of stuck in this, like this one thing I'm
doing breath work today or not tomorrow I got somatics.
Now I'm going to this like kundalini activation thing.
Well, now I'm going to go to this family systems, internal
family assistance thing. By the way, do you know a good
hypnotherapist? And I'm just like, wow, yeah, so
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much. Now, some of these people, to be
fair, they're only here for a short amount of time.
So they're trying to get, you know, it's like being in, you
know, a place where the best candy is in the world.
Yeah, you're like Disneyland. Like, I want to ride every
single ride. Yeah.
So I got to get in there. But then you also see people who
are here for quite a while and they still are doing that as
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well. And so I'm going to do, I do
want to speak to that nature of what is that pain, what is
happening. If you are constantly seeking
something like that to make yourself whole, maybe that's not
the way you look at it until unless you were to slow down to
me, there's a deeper program that's running that deeper
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program that programming is saying I am broken.
I am broken and I need to be fixed.
This is a very dangerous programto run because it doesn't matter
how many of those things you go through, if that program isn't
erased or reprogrammed, upgraded, updated, then I
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believe you will just continue that cycle.
Nothing will ever be good enoughbecause you're broken and you're
looking for something to fix youthat's outside of you.
Well, the story is that I'm broken.
Yeah, I am broken. And this is such a painful story
in its own. So that pain will just keep
coming back. It'll keep the residue from that
story is too powerful. It's so ingrained.
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It's so conditioned within someone's psyche that no matter
how much breath work you do, youmight have yourself a beautiful
release. You might have yourself a
cathartic shift where your life is just completely shifted
upside down and you feel all these beautiful emotions.
And maybe from that, maybe you've opened up to the point
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where maybe enough love can be received.
Maybe you can see that sunset orthat that you know.
See through a lens of of beauty more and and take in more, let's
say less distortion and more truth.
Maybe that is going to happen. Maybe that's.
Possible. You can slowly chip away at that
story to where you realize that you are already whole.
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But if you don't, then it's justgoing to keep repeating itself
over and over and over again. And thus lies the addiction
that. Lies the addiction.
Which is a never ending cycle ofyeah when?
How does it stop exactly? Well, how does it stop?
Is is this thing that I from my experience, something that I can
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speak from and I see some peoplethat would probably benefit from
implementing this. It's this word called
gentleness, being gentle and being gentle and not talking
about like how you like might touch something, you know,
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gently. But I am also, you know, I'm
talking about how you how you treat yourself, how you speak to
yourself. And gentleness to me is it's
something that one of my old mentors always used to talk
about gentleness, gentleness, gentleness.
And it's not like it hit me immediately.
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It took years for it to really settle in.
I had another mentor, by the way, who was saying don't ever
be gentle, never be gentle. And it was funny, you know, I
was like kind of having to play with this in my own mind, Like
what is gentle and what's not? And why is this person think
it's one thing and this other thing?
Do they think it's the same thing?
But essentially it's like how you talk to yourself.
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Like do you love yourself? Do you love yourself?
If you really truly love yourself, you'll be gentle.
Now you can be gentle but firm, you know, and have boundaries,
but still be gentle. But if you have any tinge of, of
you know, like tinge means like there's, it's like there's
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something seeping through that'snot like a, a love vibration for
yourself. That's like you're a fuck up,
you're a mess up, you're broken.If there's any tinge of that
when you, when you are doing that self talk, it doesn't, it
doesn't reprogram that brokenness, it feeds it.
You become more broken from it because you are essentially a
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frequency. You know you are vibrating, your
words have energy behind them, and even if you're not verbally
outright saying it, you're thinking it, which might be even
worse because you're not actually able to hear yourself
say the thing that you're thinking.
So then it perpetuates itself and you start to get all kinds
of convoluted and confused because our minds are not
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designed to be so overstimulated.
So you, in my opinion, we shouldbe expressing all this.
So whether you have a journalingpractice to really see what your
thoughts are doing in order of some sort of stream that they
can come out and movements greatyou can express.
Yourself through movements. Therapy.
This is why a lot of people liketherapy.
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I, you know, so just hire a therapist.
It's not just working with the mind, but you know, it's
definitely helpful. Anyways, I saw you writing
something down over there. Yeah, just a couple little
thoughts. You said a lot of good things
and I didn't want to distract from it.
Yeah. Being kind to yourself in the
story of not being enough or notworthy enough for needing to to
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show worth or feel validated of being enough for something to
that effect. I feel it's just, it's all under
the surface of all this stuff. And I think about an exercise
that the Jeff who he's not probably the only one that has
done this before, but I've heardhim say, you know, I just want
you to go home and write down 100 things about yourself that
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you love and that's your homework.
And that I know that just, you know, if you're listening to
this, think about doing that. Just the thought of doing that
might not, you might already have some resistance like that
sounds like a hard exercise, right?
So if you're feeling that like this is it sounds like a hard
exercise, then that might just give you a little bit of a pulse
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on where you are with your view of yourself, right.
Maybe you're thinking, Oh, I canprobably do like 50, maybe 20 a
hundred, like fuck, that's not very many.
Oh, sorry, that is a lot. But it's like, you know, how
kind are you to yourself? Do you give moments to actually
acknowledge the things that are beautiful about yourself?
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Or is it always looking at the things that need to be quote UN
quote fixed or the things that are broken?
And look, I mean, I have a lot of compassion for this overall
perspective of the world becausethe world in which we live in,
there's a lot of focus on what'swrong, fixing things,
highlighting the things that arewrong.
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I mean, just the overall school system in general.
You know, I don't want to talk globally, but I would say
overall, there's a lot of, at least in my experience, first
world ish countries are having this.
Like, you know, you come to school, you learn things, but
you're also being disciplined insuch a way to highlight whenever
things are not correct or wrong.And here's the red pen and let
me like write all those things and you're being evaluated on
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what how good you are basically.So it's like all that stuff's
just being imprinted in us in a lifestyle way.
And also generationally, I'm sure it's just being passed on
as well. So a lot of compassion there.
Like it's super difficult to kind of navigate that.
But also talking about it like we are now is, is what helps to
bring light to it, which allows to bring this consciousness to
the conversation. So that was the first thing I
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thought about. And if that's an exercise that
you have not done before, I think I've done it or I've tried
to do it and I think I got past like the 50 mark and then I
think I got distracted by something else.
But anyway, I would implore you if that's something that you
want to do, that's a nice littlething, right?
If you're looking about healing yourself, heal yourself through
a pen and paper and write down all the things that you love
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about yourself that you're grateful for, the things that
you have, not the things that you don't have.
And then the other things that Ithought about was just the
context of a himsa non violence,which is basically as we feel
these or have these beliefs about ourselves, that is
violence towards ourselves, whether through you, through
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words, thoughts, emotions on howwe feel about ourselves.
And that's the first Yama, how do you feel about yourself?
And if it is that exercise of writing down 100 things seems
challenging, then maybe that's just the starting point there.
And then I go, you know, jump into some of the niyamas and the
next one would be Svadia. Yeah, which is all about self
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study and looking in and being like, oh what, how am I the
like, why am I doing the things that I'm doing and why is this
happening? And that's great.
But too much of that might result in some of this like self
deprecated, like judgment or evaluation.
So, you know, there's a balance between the two and just
bringing awareness to it is kindof what I wanted to at least
highlight. Yeah, a lot of good stuff you're
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saying there, and I'll see what I can kind of come up with from
that. So I what I heard you say with
the world and the, the, the schools, you know, education or
whatever you brought up there, it's like, you know, this is a
podcast where we attract a lot of yoga people, people who are
teachers, people who are interested in personal
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development, people who are interested in emotional
intelligence, all this stuff. I'm like the, the, the Satya
Rishi than me. The truth seeker in me is just
like, yeah, the reality is like,I don't like to bypass anything.
And like the, the truth, one of the truths I believe, and this
is a this is a truth for a lot of people, is that the world is
harsh. The world is so harsh and it
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creates pain. From the moment most of us are
born, we are being fed some sortof story that is perpetuating a
mental imprint, or mental samskara, as yoga would call it.
Patterns that are causing pain and disconnection.
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They're causing pain and disconnection.
You're not good enough. The story of you could do better
or why aren't you getting bettergrades than Billy?
And whatever the case is, like, beat your opponent at this
sport. And I love sports, but that's an
experience that a lot of us have.
And if you are rooting that, youknow, if you're you're taught to
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compete in a healthy way, that'sone thing.
But if you're not taught that, then you may just be trying to
earn the praise and the love of whoever it is, your coach, your
family, your parents, whatever it is.
And so then you'd at all costs, you want to earn that love and
that you're secretly rooting on other people's failures when you
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are trying to win something. And this is like, you know, it's
a, it's a whole podcast in its own to be honest, but it, it
feeds into this whole addiction thing where addiction comes from
that void of pain and disconnection.
There's the pain in the disconnection.
We've, we've found one of the biggest ones.
It happens early on and oftentimes it never gets
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confronted and looked at becauseit continues the, the grown-ups
when we were young, we call themgrown-ups.
Eventually we call ourselves adults and they don't, they
don't really untie the knots unless they do.
And some people move to Bali anddecided to go crazy with it
because they're like, I've got so many knots.
I'm but that program of I am broken doesn't really get looked
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at. Now that's what I love about
yoga. Yoga has this lens of looking at
things from universal or a perspective of we, we are whole.
We are perfect by nature in someways.
If you can empty yourself out, the intelligence of your body,
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energetically, mind, body, connection, call it all the
layers, all the coaches together, they know what to do.
All you got to do is just let goand surrender.
Just let go. And then the intelligence
organizes itself for the greatergood and you have more whatever
you want to call it, more peace,more love.
Maybe more understanding, maybe not, but you're more clear.
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So all of that, you know, kind of came up when you were talking
about the school systems. But then what else came up kind
of pivoting slightly is when we're talking about these people
who are all over the world really, but in a boot, for
example, that get stuck in the spin cycle and they're just
healing and healing got the breath work today.
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It just happened to my friend a couple days ago.
This person I met and pretty recently, but I called him my
friend. They're here for not too long
and they they took a breath, breath, breath work session
probably when they weren't readyfor it.
They've been doing yoga like crazy.
They don't do a lot of yoga and that breath thing made him sick.
They overdid it and now they're sick.
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Now something, and I'm channelling a bit of our our
friend Paul here, but. I wrote.
I wrote Paul's name. Over here, I think it's
necessary, absolutely. I think we should, yeah.
The masculine nature, you know, of, of sometimes we need to
remove our emotions from things and we need to move forward and
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whether that's making a commitment, you know, whether
that is doing what you say you're going to do.
I don't think forward, just moving forward without a pure
intention is, is a foolproof wayto let's say sustainable might
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be a better word, but some way to like proceed forward with
your life that's going to clean you out from the inside.
I do think your intention, son culpa determination, but to set
that intention so deeply that it's unbreakable.
It's so important to you that you're determined to follow
through with it so that you can recall these intentions and and
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then move forward with masculineenergy, right?
So in the feminine, I would consider that being like quite a
healing energy of just feel process, kind of go through all
of that. Let the Shakti energy rise
within you. Meanwhile, there's that part of
us that's more the Shiva part, which can set boundaries, can
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break patterns, can just sit andstillness, you know, and let's
say shift suffering, you know, just by our willpower.
And I think that's what I'm saying by the masculine.
I'm just using that word. Masculine is a little more of a
role where Shiva's more ingrained within many, many
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centuries of. Of study so commitment comes to
mind integrity that go energy. And sometimes if you're in that
spin cycle, I think it's important to acknowledge that
type of energy and how powerful it is because this is a
balancing act regardless of who you are.
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It's all about balance. I just went on a went on a
tangent. Yeah.
It was good, yeah. Letting letting that integrate a
little bit. Well, that's the word.
I got right there is integrationis the thing I didn't speak to
that I wrote down because of allof this.
Where does the integration happen if you're constantly
doing this, constantly on the next thing, constantly on the
next? If I constantly just talk like
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this and I just kept on talking like this and I kept on talking
like this, and I mean, pretty soon you'd just turn off the
podcast. But things have to integrate.
That's why we pause between sentences.
That's why we don't do 8 breath breath work sessions in a row or
8 yoga classes in a row. Or if you do, where's the
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integration? You got to ask yourself that.
Yep. So I wrote down a few things and
just to kind of give some different perspective on it,
just thinking about exercising in general, whether it be going
to the gym or going for a run orplaying a sport, you can't do it
every day either. You need time to recover.
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Call it integration, call it recovering, call it healing,
call it like regaining energy, whatever the hell you want.
The point is, is there's still arecovery period.
So I would say similarly, like if there's too much of anything,
you need time to integrate. And that's, you know, the word
integration I feel is used a lotin this kind of world of yoga.
Like what does it actually mean to me?
It's recovery to me. It's time for your body to
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reorganize itself. Not like physically.
Well, yes, that is true and a lot of the physical practices,
but sometimes it's just energetically.
And if that doesn't speak to youwhen I say energetically
rearranging, just trust that your nervous system is Electro
magnetically rearranging itself.Pathways are shifting,
meridians, energy lines, all this stuff is kind of moving
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blood flow, whatever type of science resonates with you.
But there's shifting that needs to happen and it doesn't happen
in the moment of the actual practice.
It happens after the practice. Just like when you exercise and
you're going to the gym. You don't build the strength
when you're at the gym, you build the strength after during
the recovery. Your body actually, to give a
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simple little statistic, you actually burn more calories
after a workout than you do during the workout while you're
actually in the recovery process.
So just something to kind of relate this in a different way,
but we're still talking about the same thing.
So that's one thing. Because if your system kind of
gets overloaded, like too much exercise, then you end up your
immune system starts to lower. All these things happen.
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And that's when you end up possibly getting injured.
Or in the context of healing, you might actually get sick.
Because now your system might not be able to handle all of the
stuff that's going through because it needs time to work
through it, to shift and move things around and whatever.
And that takes a lot of energy to just do that.
Hey, that makes me think of the addiction.
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It's all tied together, you know, whether it's scrolling
cell phone, the addiction, it's a non integration.
In some ways it's like to avoid integration like like the
avoidance is like I'm I'm so addicted to just doing something
to activity is oftentimes it that the integration step gets
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bypassed. Yeah.
So if you're listening still, let yourself let this land.
Don't just load up another podcast unless it's one of ours.
Just kidding. But regardless, it's it's.
It you can. You can put that on anything.
Let things digest. And the really the last thing
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that I have on this is, is the first thing one of the first
things I brought up. Well, I don't know if it's the
first thing, but I, when I talked about being gentle, I, I
have these like moments of remembering like when I slow
down enough and when I shift into gentleness.
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Sometimes I, I just associate gentle and slow together for
some reason. So if I slow down enough and I'm
gentle, to me, I'm looking at this like a frequency.
There's some sort of vibrationalfrequency.
And that's actually the medicinethat is needed for the shift to
happen, for acceptance to be realized.
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It is the slowing down that makes gentleness possible.
You can think about gentleness all day, but it doesn't actually
land. Gentleness itself needs
integration. So it's like 1 of someone I've
respect once said that the fastest way to get where I want
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to go is to slow down. The fastest way to get to where
I want to go is to slow down. That's magic right there.
So we're all, what are we all trying to do and what are we
really trying to do? And if you do actually slow down
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without the, the pressure that might be felt for I got to do
this. Oh my, I can't slow down.
I got to do this. But if you.
Truly slow down, as if time didn't exist.
And we've all had moments where we have slowed down and enjoyed
the present moment so deeply. Such a juicy, powerful, potent
moment of slowing down where youdon't care about time.
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All of a sudden, whatever you had to do to isn't important
anymore. But if you just can hit those
moments of when you slow down intentionally, then that
gentleness, it sets in. And that gentleness is a
vibration. It's not just a word.
That vibration of gentleness is the opposite of disconnection.
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It is connection, and that connection is leading to
acceptance, and that acceptance is leading to rewiring the old
story of I Am Broken. Boom.
That would drop the mic, but it's attached to this.
I'm glad I don't want you to break my mic, but did that land?
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Give some time for that to land.I'm sure a few people.
Listen to that and they're like,wow.
And other people are like. What the fuck is this guy
talking about again? Yeah, or they were checked out
because they were working out they're.
Scrolling on their phone. Driving on the car and they're
not listening. Hey, listen to us.
Listen, listen, listen to this right now.
Listen to me. Look at me.
Great. So, yeah, the the other thing
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that I want to share before we kind of wrap this up, and this
is something that I kind of apply to my own healing
practice, the way that I heal. And that is addressing the thing
that's coming up, the thing that's alive or the thing that's
like, or what I would call real time, real time healing.
As opposed to just like I'm justgoing to dig and dig and dig and
dig and dig and dig. How about let's like look at the
thing that's actually showing and revealing itself.
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Now you need to have a certain amount of slowness, presence to
be able to even notice the thingthat's showing up.
And maybe that thing that's showing up is the thing that
needs to be addressed. Or maybe there's nothing that
actually needs to be addressed in this particular moment.
And then you just live life and enjoy it because I mean, what's
the point of all the healing? It's probably to enjoy life.
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So there's got to be moments where you're enjoying it.
So the slowing down allows that for me, the opportunity to to
see like when things, when I'm enjoying life and things are
going well, this is great. When things are not going well,
then maybe there's something there that needs to be looked
at. I'm triggered by something or
I'm feeling really stressed out or I have too much going on.
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It's like, OK, maybe I should stop and look at that.
Like, why? What is it?
And maybe in that moment is partof the healing.
Maybe I need to like figure out what I need to do about that
particular thing. So that's what I think about
with real time healing. But also at the same time to
bring in a bit of that Paul energy.
You know, every time something comes up, you don't want to just
be like, stop the world and be like, OK, I got to look at this
thing because that's not how we can operate in this material
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world. You still need to deal with your
responsibilities, take care of business, work, family, whatever
it is. That being said, you still, you
can still have an opportunity tonot forget about those things or
not ignore those things. So as you're moving through
life, these things come up and then, you know, what I like to
do sometimes is write them down like, and even if I don't know
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what it is like, ah, today was stressful or today I felt like
this or this thing happened and whatever.
And I just write it down and I put it out of my mind a little
bit and then I focus on my responsibilities, whatever it
might be. And then I eventually come back
and look at that and be like, OK, so this is my healing.
What does this tell me? You know, like, sure, I can go
talk to a therapist. Sure, I can go like, you don't
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do semantics and breath work andall this stuff.
Or I can just sit and actually like self study.
Like why did that bother me? Sit in meditation and feel what
it is. Maybe I need to slow down.
Maybe I need to not take on so much stuff.
Maybe I need to make create moreboundaries here.
Maybe I need to not say yes to that thing that everyone wants
me to do. Maybe I need to take a day off.
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Maybe I do need to go talk to a therapist, right?
The actual solution to the healing might not be the first
step. It's more so just looking and
being like, OK, what is the thing when you have time to
actually look at it? And if not, then that's fine.
You can continue on with life. But if you continue on with life
and then you don't look at that thing, then that can pile up and
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build into stress. And then it feels overwhelming.
And then you're at a stage whereit's like, now I feel like I
need to heal everything because there's so much going on.
I feel like I have so many ties and all these things that are
kind of holding me down. And it's like, yeah, probably
because you've you've been ignoring them for so long
possibly that you feel like you need to get rid of them all so
quickly. And this kind of reminds me a
little bit of whenever people come to see me for their
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physical ailments and they're like, oh, I've had this problem
for, I don't know why I always get the chronic people, but four
years, 15 years, 20 years, and then they come and see me and
they're like, OK, cool, you're going to fix me, right?
I'm like, well, I'm going to definitely send you on your way.
But also recognize that if you've had this for this long, I
can't just snap my fingers and you're good.
(38:40):
It's going to take a process of time to work through it.
And just like anything else thatcomes through or it reveals
itself, it's a real time healing.
OK, Yeah, you work on it, but also you got to continue on.
You can't just fix it in that moment and be like, OK, now I
got to fix the next thing and fix the next thing.
You deal with whatever kind of pain or ailment or thing,
restriction or thing that's challenging your nervous system
(39:03):
or triggering you, and you try to give it attention so that it
doesn't compound like interest into your system and build these
samskaras or this stress in cortisol and chemistry that just
feels like life is difficult. So yeah, when things come up,
have a look at them. When they're not always coming
(39:25):
up, you don't give it time. They'll show themselves.
Right. Yeah, made me think of one more
thing. We still have a second.
Yeah, yeah, we can do it. So altered States and like when
you were talking about slowing down, which I was talking about
too. And I agree, like obviously,
like I agree, the slowing down is such a huge component to
(39:47):
awareness, that awareness allowsyou the opportunity to see is
something coming up or not, should I do something or not.
However, a lot of people want tospeed up and there's a lot of
healing practices that speed up and it it creates an altered
state, like Korea's the breath work, for example.
(40:10):
Things that kind of speed up your system, so energy rises and
then you you reach this altered state, this altered state that
also substances also can create these altered States and then
shifting can happen within thesealtered states.
So I just wanted to make that link to where the altered state.
(40:31):
You can also alter your state without by by slowing down.
It's kind of what I'm getting toby slowing down.
You can also alter your state, but for some reason a lot of us
want to go into the altered state through like a speeding up
process, speeding up when because it's probably that that
wiring is already conditioned within us to to to kind of want
(40:53):
to run at that speed. Yeah.
So I just thought that was a really interesting link that
came through when you were talking.
Just to speak. To the yeah, to the altered
states. I mean, the plant medicine is,
there's tons of people who have had amazing experiences through
plant medicine and changed theirlives for the better.
(41:15):
There's tons of people who have gotten addicted to the plant
medicine and gotten stuck in that spin cycle.
And they've done like 25 ayahuasca.
Regimes more and also given credit to the plant.
Yeah, so giving credit to somebody else for your healing
is also part of this, the pedestaling that can happen when
(41:35):
you put somebody on a pedestal because the guru did it.
This person, I can't do it without this person.
And that's a trap that I believeis probably coming from the I am
Broken story. So if you can are constantly
deflecting your experiences as you're not claiming them as your
own, your own doing, then they're not going to last.
(41:58):
I'm here to tell you from my experience, at least now it's
one thing to give respect and honor.
That is beautiful. And I think that's kind of like
a form of gratitude. Thank you for this experience
and thank you for allowing me tosee what I can do.
(42:19):
That is power. And then that power from within
you is is not stupid. That power within you recognizes
that you're giving credit to thesource of where it really came
from instead of somebody else. It's like, hey, look at me.
You don't see inside that I, youdid this.
Oh, my God, here we are again, just broken and then broken and
broken. And then here we go a few days
(42:40):
later, like, ah, give me some more of that plant.
Yeah. Or whatever it is.
Yeah, I usually say the things. Thank you for revealing
yourself. I don't necessarily say those
words, but I, I kind of like, for example, I'm not to get too
much in the details, but a few years, few days ago, I had a bit
of a shift. Something came up and I didn't
know what it was. And I had to do work to figure
(43:02):
that out. But I also at the same time, I
was, it was a little weird, but I was also like kind of like
going into the state of gratitude and like, thank you
for revealing this thing that I need to look at.
So having that kind of. And that's what makes me think
about it. So, yeah, I mean, we're going to
come to, we're going to come to an ending.
Yeah, that's good. And what the, the interesting
(43:24):
thing about the ending is that it makes me think about the
healing. You know, you rush the healing,
you try to get it all done. There isn't, there's never an
ending, right? It never stops.
So why try to do it all? And if you try to do it all,
you're, and Paul uses this analogy, it's like you're trying
to exfoliate your skin and you're trying to make your skin
as beautiful as possible and you're trying to do it all when
the first like day or week. And it's like, what's going to
(43:46):
happen if you try to do that? You're just going to RIP apart
your entire body, right? You need to allow time for the
healing, the recovery, the, you know, the integration, the all
that stuff to happen. So, you know, talking about all
this stuff, I really appreciate the the perspective of the, the
view or the identity or the belief system of yourself and
(44:07):
your relationship with yourself and coming back to that, like
non violence and like your love towards yourself, I think is
important. And also recognizing that like
it just never ends. Just like your physical
ailments, you know, you're always going to have some
physical challenges as you move through life.
And it's not so much the ending of trying to fix everything
because fixing has this thing like the job's done when it's
fixed. And the reality is life that
their job is never done. You're always you're still
(44:30):
navigating life and there's always going to be challenges
and there's always things that we looked at.
Thank you for revealing yourself.
I'll look at this or I'll try todeal with this, which brings in
the real time things. So yeah, it's just the never,
it's a never ending thing. So don't try to end it because
it won't. Nature is perfect.
It's figured it out. I mean, natural disasters, which
have been around since the beginning of this planet are
(44:51):
perfect too. And even even though they might
destruct, you know, and we are perfect by design, you know,
just like the trees that grow and the flowers that bloom and
the mistletoe that occasionally has, you know, like Clover that
has like 3 or 4 leaves sometimes.
(45:13):
And, and then as humans, we decide to like put meaning
behind certain things like, oh, that means luck or that means
that's, that flower is, you know, growing sideways.
That's a broken flower. I mean, whatever we do, at the
end of the day, it is just unconditional love.
(45:33):
Love yourself no matter what, but hold yourself to high
standards at the same time. And that's all I got to say on
this subject. We have some bolt.
What are these called here? These things sound effects,
sound effects that we created. I wanted to try the one of them.
Yeah. The Ohm 1.
Sure, that's the top left. Let's see what you guys think
(45:53):
about this. Here we go.
Oh, do you guys like that? Let us know.
I got one more. Yeah.
No, I'm going in. OK, I'll leave it at that.
Thank you guys for listening. I need recap.
No, I think I already kind of brought that through, but I will
(46:16):
extend the invitation to reach out, as always.
You know, you can either messageme or Byron on Instagram.
That seems to be the easiest way, and that's the way that
people tend to do it. Byron Yoga, Yeah.
Byron yoga or Michael yoga dot PT is the best way to do it.
So yeah. Your thoughts or, you know,
counterpoints or whatever you have just, you know, we're all
about welcoming that stuff in. And if you're, if you're
(46:39):
interested in other topics, thatalso is great as well because,
you know, we always try to bringthings in that are relevant for
what people want to hear. So if there's something that's
relevant to you, just bring it up and we will bring it up.
Otherwise, thank you so much forlistening and we'll talk to you
next week. Thank you.
Thank you and I look forward to the next one.
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