April 1, 2026 • 40 mins
The root chakra asks a quiet question: what if “home” isn't a place, but a feeling your body can learn again?
This episode is a deep, unscripted conversation about what it really means to feel at home — not the place you live, but the feeling of being safe, grounded, and fully yourself. Drawing on the energy of the root chakra, the discussion explores why so many people feel disconnected from their foundations — and what it actually takes to come back. From the nervous system and ancestral fear patterns to the surprising power of eye contact, nature, and silence, the conversation is honest, playful, and thought-provoking. It asks the questions most people never stop long enough to ask themselves: Where do I feel safe? What am I afraid of? Do I have enough — and what does enough even mean? If you've ever felt unmoored, ungrounded, or like you're living someone else's version of home, this one's for you.
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Episode Chapters:
00:00:29 Introduction
00:01:56 What Does Home Actually Mean?
00:03:18 Belonging — The Etymology and the Feeling
00:06:27 Basic Needs, the Nervous System, and Why We Feel Unsafe
00:07:51 Root Chakra, Fear, and the Urge to Control
00:10:55 Why We're All a Little Bit Broken — And That's Okay
00:17:51 How Do We Become Whole Again?
00:19:30 What Is Grounding, Really?
00:21:20 Nature as a Nervous System Reset
00:26:54 People as a Grounding Force — Eye Gazing and Human Connection
00:31:05 The Most Important Questions to Ask Yourself
00:34:03 Stillness, Silence, and Slowing Down
00:35:55 Speed Up to Slow Down — The Case for Doing Both
00:38:37 Directing Awareness and Giving to the Earth
00:39:13 A Bird, a Meditation, and a Full Circle Moment
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Mentions & Resources:
Michael Henri’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelyoga.pt/
Byron de Marsé’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/byronyoga/
The IN Movement Instagram: https://www.instagram/com/the_in_movement/
Practices referenced:
Kapalabhati (Breath of Fire)
Eye gazing (witnessing practice)
Meditation and movement for nervous system regulation
Earthing / grounding devices (mentioned briefly)
Yoga poses mentioned:
Kapotasana (Pigeon Pose) — noted as one of Byron's top three poses
Concepts explored:
Root Chakra (Muladhara) and its development from womb to one year old
Generational / ancestral fear patterns
Scarcity vs. abundance inventory exercise
"Speed up to slow down" nervous system technique
The IN Movement Podcast was formerly the Going Pro Yoga Podcast — and before that, the Yoga Teacher Evolution Podcast and the Rat Race Rebellion Podcast. Same mission, evolved name.
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(00:00):
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started with this week's episode.
Hey there. Hey, welcome back.
Thanks to the open mic. Podcast with the in.
Movement. And.
A lot of people that tend to communicate very.
(00:44):
Well, always. And his name is.
Baronian de Marseillon and Michael.
Henrietta Yeah. Oh that'll that's one way to
start the podcast. Yeah.
Well, you said did I want to start it?
And you know, I said, I want it to start itself.
So I think it just did kind of. So welcome to the podcast.
(01:05):
Here we are, Michael Henry in the house and Byron de
Marseille. So, you know, we can, we can go
into different worlds a little bit with where we're going to
go, but I think we're going to. Talk funny first.
What's that? You said world and you struggled
to say it. You said world, and that's the
word that I struggled saying. What did I just say?
(01:26):
That's the word or the world. I was a kid.
I couldn't say that word. World.
To the point I'm having a littlebit of like flashbacks.
Oh, now my jaw feels locked up because you.
Said no, I couldn't say world, world.
I love world. It's the one word I just
couldn't say it world. And anyways, that reminded me
(01:47):
about. Well, hopefully we still have
our listeners listening after the first 3 minutes of that.
OK, Yeah, I guess we're going totalk about home.
Home, home. So what is home?
What actually makes a person feel safe?
And how do we know when that sense of safety is a real thing
(02:10):
rather than just a familiar thing?
Well, why are we talking about home?
Well, home is really where the foundations are.
That's where the heart is. Very true.
Home is where the foundations are when it comes to we're going
to talk about energy and the foundations of we can call them
boot chakra, senses of safety, familiarity, basic needs, these
(02:33):
types of things you can't basically brainstorming a lot of
words that could relate to survival, groundedness,
centeredness, and we basically came back to, well, what does it
all mean? It's like a sense of feeling.
Home. So that's kind of what we're
going to talk. About.
Yeah, yeah. We got a list of questions.
I think the questions are helpful to generate some of the
(02:54):
conversation piece. I mean, fire and I can just
riff, but it's also nice to havesomething to go off of.
So first question we have is what actually makes a person
feel safe? And how do we know when that
sense of safety is a real thing rather than just a familiar
thing? So the first part of that was
how do we know when we're safe? Yeah.
How does a person How do we actually What actually makes a
(03:17):
person feel safe? When we feel safe, there is a
sense of belonging in that specific environment.
It's kind of broad to talk aboutit in that way, but if you're
talking about just feeling like at home, and I'm thinking this
is more of a metaphorical home, it's not like necessarily my
(03:39):
house home. It's like home can be anywhere
that you feel like you belong and be long.
What an interesting word that islike to look up the etymology on
that. But it does have longing in
there. So it's something that probably
has to do with the deep heartfelt desires that we long
(04:05):
for, meaning we we need them. Our needs are basically very
much connected to be longing. I mean, the word home is
something that comes up in a lotof trainings actually, when not
always, but it's when we ask people like what does yoga mean
to you? There is often at least one
(04:25):
person that says it makes me feel like I'm coming back home.
Not in the literal sense, but inthe sense of themselves back to
their to their home within themselves.
Feeling part of something whole,wholeness, like a WHOLE, like
feeling whole, I think is part of being home.
(04:46):
What do you got? So belonging comes from the verb
belong plus ING ending. Belong is recorded in Middle
English and is traced to an earlier from built earlier form
built from B plus longing with senses like to go along with,
pertain to or be properly related to external meaning,
(05:07):
being part of a group, place or home, internal meaning feeling
rightly placed within yourself in life.
There you go. Feeling rightly placed.
Rightly placed in your life. Yeah, that makes sense.
Like to long for something is tofeel rightly placed.
It's like that, really. I called it a heartfelt desire.
(05:28):
But a heartfelt desire, you could say it's to really your
longing for it. To feel part of something, to
feel it like you're in your right place.
And feeling in your right place is very much feeling at home.
So acceptance and belonging and feeling rooted and grounded and
present. Feeling safe is essentially
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feeling present. If you're able to get to a
balanced place of safety, balanced meaning you're not like
disillusioned or attached too much to feeling safe.
Because you know, some of us canprobably venture a little too
far out of just just a little bit out of the comfort zone.
And it's like, oh, that's way too unsafe.
(06:08):
Whereas other people can go way further out of their comfort
zone and still feel safe. And I think that's something
that is worth a mention as well when it when you're talking
about home. So yeah, I think attachments
come comes in a lot when I thinkabout that.
Subject yeah, the thing that came up from you is just like
(06:30):
your basic needs to some degree,but I I honestly want to go into
like the nervous system basic needs of just feeling.
You said safe but like just likebalanced within yourself which
can come from just the breath. Yeah, how you do it right.
Connecting to the senses of, youknow, just feeling the things
that are real in the world in front of you and as opposed to a
(06:54):
lot of the perceived dangers that come through our brain and
our mind, especially nowadays because we don't live in the
jungle where we're fighting off real dangers.
Often times it's a lot of perceived dangers.
So we get taken away from our home because of our own mind,
ultimately in that sense of imbalance within our nervous
system. So when we can feel more
balanced, more grounded in ourselves, we are probably more
(07:16):
able to come back to our place of home, which is probably why
yoga for a lot of people can help them feel like they're
coming back home because it helps them to regulate that part
of themselves. Yeah.
And then the possibilities of after you feel regulated and
let's say calm to some level, then you might be able to, yeah,
(07:37):
more possibilities, feel desire,experience, emotions, pleasure,
you know, have, you know, you can start to develop healthier
relationships with everything. Do you have some more questions
there? I think?
Thinking about the home element and if we're relating it to the
root chakra stability and we talk about fear as being one of
(07:59):
the main, let's say, undesired emotions that can disrupt that
part of our sense of security. Fear based control is ultimately
when you're, let's say your system is overactive and you're
trying to control everything so that you can feel safe, which
means you're kind of have your hands and everything around you
(08:20):
and you're, you know, having a difficult time letting go of
that. I feel like that right now.
You do? Yeah.
OK, say more. Well, it's like I'm trying to
decide, like, is this podcast going in a direction that our
viewers would like? And I'm, I'm, I'm thinking, what
(08:41):
are the questions? And yeah, I'm just having a, a
moment of like trying to let go of the expectations of it.
I'm like breathing. I'm thinking I'm oscillating
between the two. I'm like, you know, just relax.
It's like a real lived experience.
Yeah. Questioning like starting it
over, wondering if we should have a safe word or some like
(09:04):
signal with each other. I appreciate that.
It's very authentic and it's very real.
I mean, we didn't actually like have a huge plan when we started
recording. And I think that's kind of maybe
happened naturally for a reason because of the topic being about
groundedness, but maybe also theungroundedness, doing things
that make you feel unsafe or unbalanced or maybe like you
(09:27):
don't have control because we didn't have a preparation
necessarily and how that can throw you off.
So I'm sure that's something that a lot of people can relate
to it. Makes me think of like how yoga
facilitation, teaching classes, teaching classes is often been
that kind of experiences as wellfor me where you just show up,
you do your best and you can only plan so much and you can
(09:50):
over plan. You can be too attached to the
sequence and yeah, things might not go accordingly.
Sometimes they flow really well,sometimes they don't.
Sometimes you forget the sequence and it's still
wonderful. Sometimes you remember the whole
thing and it's terrible. It's hard to really control the
expectations of it. So yeah, it makes me think about
(10:12):
kind of that structure and like how, you know, if we did hit
record again on this and startedover, I'd be like, OK, let's go
back to that question when I asked you why are we bringing
this up? And to me, that structure is
really important for absorption and learning.
Like OK, ask me, why are we doing this?
Why are we doing this? It's a.
(10:33):
Good question, Michael. Why are we doing this podcast?
I'm so glad you asked. Me.
Why are we talking about home? Why are we stability, right,
Because it's kind of this elusive like why did they just
hit record and start start talking about home?
It seems like there's some kind of.
Like a motive. Pre yeah, there's a motive, A
predetermined like, you know, there's a there's some kind of
like thing behind this this thatthey're not talking about.
And it's because we are creatinga template in which the end
(10:58):
movement our new business can operate from.
And we want to make a differenceand help people make a
difference in their lives so that they can know themselves
better through topics. And the first topic that we
chose that we thought could be so helpful because you are
(11:19):
literally building from the ground up is home.
And obviously we did look at like chakra oriented things like
root chakra, but we wanted to put this in a digestible way so
that people could really understand it for their own
lives. And then later down the road
we'll start to move into, you know, the other tangible
(11:39):
qualities of life that can pertain and be relatable as
well. In order to look at root chakra,
we also need to look at fear. You mentioned it, fear and what
we're afraid of scarcity, abundance.
When it comes to being grounded,feeling safe, feeling supported,
having what you need, food, water, shelter.
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What else do you need? People need more than that.
Emotional needs. Emotional needs can vary.
Some person might need 2 hugs a day where others need 20.
They say that that your root shock or development is
happening from the womb till oneyear old.
If that's true, then there's a lot of ground to make up for
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there for certain people. So I often times think about
that when we have different needs.
Why do we have different needs? Well, we had different support
when we were growing up. So to feel home, yeah.
Like, what is that balance for you?
What's that balance for everyoneso that they can be in their
most optimal, you know, mindset and feel in their bodies?
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Because to me, that's where the rubber meets the road is like
when you feel home, you really truly feel like you can be
yourself. Authenticity does not really
exist unless you can be in your own skin, in your own body, in
your own home. And to me, that's really what
this is about. And since we talked about yoga a
lot, I mean, anybody can relate to this, whether you do yoga,
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anybody who has a body and ears and senses, who can perceive and
listen to this podcast can relate to that.
To be in your body, to feel safein your body is essentially what
being home is. Now, I think we all could
stretch ourselves. Nobody's perfect, but perfect by
design, and that we can become more, you know, we can expand
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our horizons, our ability to feel safe in quote UN quote
unsafe places. You know, I'm not saying go put
yourself in dangerous way. We don't all have to jump out of
airplanes or walk down dark alleys with, you know, no, you
know, supervision. But to walk out some people just
(13:54):
to leave your house might be a big deal and just a risk in its
own. So yeah, it's like navigating
that for yourself. And I think there's probably
some good viewer based questionsin there like what what scares?
What scares you about What scares you about moving to Bali?
(14:16):
A lot of things probably which would start with just the
unknown of this is a completely different place.
And those fears, I don't know ifthey've lessened over time or
they grew because the more that I knew and understood is that
this place is very different from where I came from.
The home is a different. Home, and if you explore it
deeply enough, you're probably going to find out.
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Fill in the blank I'm I was scared to move to Bali because I
I was afraid there wouldn't be enough something.
I wouldn't have enough money to survive and to be able to stay
right, for example. Or enough someone else might say
opportunities to work. Yeah, to find that sense of
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comfort that I need for feeling home.
Yeah, enough people to have a friendship with or a community
build a community with. Right, have a sense of purpose
and belonging potentially. Right, someone else it might be
like I don't have access to the same medical care that I had
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back home that I feel like I depend on, you know, but that
that word enough is pretty big there, right There's there.
There's an enoughness of material substance of some sort.
It's emotional enoughness. It's it's basic needs
enoughness, resources enough. Do you have enough resources to
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really do you have enough oxygento survive?
Right. Yeah.
I'm sure there's like a pandemicof some sorts of different
chakras over the timeline of centuries that that feel
threatened. You know, whether it's malaria,
some, you know, flu, bird flu, whatever these different things
have happened in history come and you start to have a, you
(16:04):
know, from the top down, everybody is fear based for fear
of their lives. And this stuff also is
generational and it pumps through the next generation and
the next generation, the next generation.
And we, we wake up and we, I believe we feel this right.
If we feel it from zero to 12 months to one year, our parents
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felt it and they're residually passing it to us.
A lot of times we feel like it'sour problem.
You know, it's like us and only us.
And then we just point to our parents.
And like, that's as far as a lotof people get.
Some people don't even get to their parents.
They're just think it's their fault and they, you know, just
take it out on themselves. I mean, what a relief, you know?
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I mean, yeah, we're all fucked up.
You know, it's kind of that. What a relief.
We're all fucked up. We're all different in that
navigation system. We're all exploring our, the,
the holes of our Swiss cheese, right?
We're not a whole block of cheese and we're just got a lot
of holes. And the holes might be different
from each person. And those holes, like you said,
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might be ancestral or passed on from, you know, parents and
things like that. And they can also be just
developed from our early years, whether they're some of those
basic needs weren't there or just conditions and patterns
that we kind of developed for the purpose that we needed to
grow up quicker than we needed to actually grow up.
You know, like being a lot of people get put in situations,
(17:29):
unfortunately, when they're young because of something in
the family dynamics where they need to grow up quicker as a 10
year old, 11 year old, 12 year old, for whatever reason, which
I know is very relatable to a lot of people because we've
heard stories about it. And that really fucks up your
sense of safety and foundation when often at those early years
you're still, you know, buildingsome of that to some degree.
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So how do we become a whole block of cheese?
Well, I'll probably start with breathing grounding, which I
think is the most important thing.
I mean, it's great to kind of gothrough like a list of like to
do's, but sometimes that not might not necessarily be the
most helpful, but often times it's just like really connecting
with yourself 1st and trying to center yourself.
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You know, one of the words that we had written down when it came
to this topic was just nervous system.
And the nervous system is very much internal.
We're talking about home and allthese other like related things
to community and parents and elements that might ruffle those
feathers. But ultimately it starts within
ourselves. And even though a lot of those
things might be true from the external world, we can still
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ground ourselves. And by doing that, we help our
nervous system balance, which isbasically one of the same.
And then from there we can take actions.
We can go through the list of what might help me fill in those
Swiss cheese pieces. But I think the basic practice
of whatever that might be to help ground could be the yoga
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for a lot of people, meditation,the breath, the practice of
moving the body, running, jogging, whatever it is, right?
You can call it yoga or you can call it something else, but I
think finding a centred balance place, which might often times
be removing ourselves from certain environments that don't
make us feel as safe physically.And then, yeah, starting from
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there, it's basically that foundation because from there
you can, it's a, it's a never ending journey.
Or you might think you filled inall the holes, but there's
always some Swiss cheese holes available.
Yeah. I mean, you know, to me it's
like the the grounding part you mentioned is the real, the real
focus point. It's like we could go back in
time or start now and implement grounding into schools.
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And I'm sure some schools talk about it in some way.
I mean, I know there's groundingdevices, earthing devices, like
what is grounding? You know, you just went on this
whole thing. You you talked about grounding
and breathing, but like, is thatenough for people to really
apply that into their lives? Some people, yes, and some
people definitely not. Like what is it just seems like
you just kind of glaze over it often.
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And like to really truly embody grounding, it has a lot to do
with like, I'm touching this table right now.
You know, it's like the physicalworld is your playground to
ground, right? But it's, it's not just about
playing. Playing would be more the
element of like, what does it feel like?
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It's just the fact that it's here, you are here, the earth is
here, presence is here all the time.
And you can use your senses. If you're lucky, you have 5.
If you're unlucky, you have 6. Just kidding.
But you have, you know, this, this tangible senses and maybe
less tangible senses than more of like feelers and like into it
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and things. You can smell stuff, you can
taste it. You feel moisture and like,
these are the things you can touch the ground.
You can put your feet in the mud.
I mean, we kind of do these things.
At least I did them a lot as a kid, but nobody talked about it
as a way to regulate your nervous system.
It was just like, go outside andlike, let's dig in the dirt and
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stuff. And it might have had a positive
effect on us. I know my mom was a big gardener
and she probably had no understanding of really what she
was doing, but she knew she loved it so.
It's like connecting with natureand connecting with other living
things, which, you know, maybe dysregulated humans is what
you're dealing with. So it's like you go to nature.
Nature's not really dysregulated.
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Nature's always grounded. It's always there for you to
help you find your center. So.
I was talking to someone the other day who she's like not
she's a city person. And her doctor actually told her
because she was experiencing some panic attacks.
And then she said the doctor said, go on a hike and she went
on a hike and it was like one ofthose hikes that's like tiring.
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And she slept. She said the best night of her
life after that, which I was like, oh, that's so interesting
how this person is like they needed to connect those dots.
They were so far away from the, they needed, you know, from the
truth of nature that they neededsomebody to, like, wake them up
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to it. And I think that's kind of how
we can, we can all get in that way, you know, in that mode
sometimes where we forget, forget.
Oh, yeah. Just breathe.
No matter what your environment is, you can always do that.
And then if you have a beautiful, you know, like areas
to explore in, go do it. If you live in a city, there's
other ways. I mean, you can still catch a
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sunset or you can catch a sunrise, or you can feel the
heat on your skin. Even if you can't see the sun,
you still feel the heat on your skin and you can really just be
present. And I think that is an art that
keeps wilting further and further away.
The more advanced we become withtechnology and the more
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convenient and modern things become, the more that one button
press used to do what a sequenceof 20 actions does.
Now you can just push a button. Those 20 actions are all
completed immediately. And then the next phase is you
don't even have to touch the button.
You just talk to the button. And then after the talking of
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the button, you think of the button and now it's done.
So I do think that the root chakra regulation, the
grounding, the home feeling is maybe which could be the most
important 1 is probably the one we're getting the furthest away
from. And then if you're far away from
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that one, then you, you know, you're going to there's going to
be some sharp curves to turn back, to be able to, to balance
out a lot of these other amazingexperiences that we can have,
like feeling joy and peace and, you know, pleasure and love.
Love. Yeah.
I mean, I think love was something I was thinking about
when you were talking earlier. I was like, I want to talk about
(24:01):
love. But I kind of went off from this
whole thing because love might just be the answer.
Just feel the see the love and everything.
Feel the love and everything. Breathe the love in.
Breathe the love out. And then there's one more word
that is equally important, Trust.
Trust. There is an element of trust.
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And the truth is, is that we don't, we're not, we don't need
to trust everything, but better.We need to trust that Earth is
our home. You know, Earth is providing for
us and that we have a relationship with Earth and
nature, one that is not just taking away from it, but to give
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to it. I think that simple fundamental
exchange builds trust, you know,and that trust is probably
already there. And we might get a little far
away from it, but just to remindourselves on a daily basis.
And the more you look at the trees and the flowers and the
more you feel the heat against your skin and the more you
breathe in the fresh air or even, you know, air that's not
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so fresh sometimes, but you still breathe and you're still
like, I'm breathing. You become present.
And then through that presence, maybe you'll maybe you'll get a
little more trust, a little morelove.
What do you? Think, wow, I'm digesting a lot.
Yeah. And the last most recent thing
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that kind of stuck with me was trust.
It had something to do with trust and starting with things
that you can for sure trust. Like I trust the ground
underneath me is supporting me and it's going to stay there.
You know, I trust that every breath there'll be oxygen there
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for me, hopefully, at least in the most cases, I would say.
But just starting with, you know, you said, you mentioned
like those basic senses is actually how we start to build
not just the trust, but just thestability of the safety within
ourselves and within, you know, what's around us.
So tapping into those senses, like smells connecting to
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nature. Like I just, yeah, everything
that you were saying, I was like, I'm just imagining myself
as a kid going out into nature and not even have to think about
it because I'm just being a kid.But as adults now, it's almost
like we have to retrain ourselves to be like, it's
normal to go sit in the grass and just like feel it with my
hand, rub my hand through the, the, the blades of grass or to
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like smell a flower as opposed to being, feeling like I'm being
judged 'cause I'm doing that. Or maybe I'm like, this is a
waste of time or, you know, whatever it is.
So it's interesting to kind of like retrain this system to go
back to something that to go back to exactly what is already
true, which is that we are connected to this whole system.
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You know, you know. We can trust that.
This added element to it is, is like, I think about this
sometimes and I see people and probably because I see it in
myself sometimes, but I've seen it strongly in some people where
they they they don't connect with a very obvious grounding
element. And what do you think I'm going
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to say? People, people like, because we
mistrust people so much, right? Unbalanced people.
Yeah. We, we don't trust people so
much. I mean, sure, you trust some
people. Some people you don't trust.
Some people don't trust anybody.Zero.
And for good reasons. Maybe because they've been,
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their trust has been broken. And you have to build trust.
And you know, some people trust 1st until you break it.
Other people, you have to build their trust.
Some people say they trust people, but they don't.
Some people say they don't trustyou, but they do.
It's, it's a big mind fuck. But what I do find is that a
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very grounding thing is just to look at somebody in the eyes or
just, you know, because this is the elements, right?
We are the elements. The tree is much easier because
you don't feel judged by the tree, right?
But for some people, the tree might not be enough.
It might be a good starting point, but it's not enough.
At some point you're just like, there's not a witness.
You don't really believe that that tree is watching you.
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You don't believe it. You're just like, yeah, it's
breathing. It's beautiful.
I can feel it and touch it, but it's not really truly alive to
me. My senses don't believe that's
true. But a human being, you, you,
your, your mind won't play that trick.
Your mind is immediately presentto the fact you're being watched
and you're being potentially judged.
You may or may not be being judged, but you may feel a
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certain way about it. So I do think that that is in
some ways it might be more advanced, but I do believe some
people are actually wired to connect with people and not
nature. So they find that in people and
not nature. Maybe that's all they know,
especially if they grew up in a city.
It's like you're not even aroundnature to even know how to
connect to nature, which is why people say they're going to the
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countryside, they're going to the cottage and all this stuff.
It's because why is those thingsso popular?
We're going on vacation because you're getting away from that,
usually that unconnected or disconnected area to hopefully
reconnect with yourself and nature.
People like to go on hikes and they like to go on boats and you
know, all these types of things.And whether they didn't know it
or not, there's a certain like at least a little bit of a foot
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forward into connecting with nature to some degree.
Yeah. And the kind of connecting I'm
talking with people isn't necessarily the kind of we're
doing. I mean, yeah, we're kind of
looking at each other sometimes and sometimes looking at the
camera. And I'm talking as I'm talking
can be, you know, a way of connecting or taking you further
away from connection. So the kind of witnessing that
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I'm speaking about right now isn't, it's not going to say
about the words that can be completely silent.
It's probably a stronger way to do it.
And then you just get to witnessand be witnessed.
And if you're willing to sit with that a few seconds, maybe
30 seconds, maybe a minute, maybe a few minutes, yeah,
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you'll find that it's very grounding.
I don't know if any of our listeners have ever done an eye
gazing type of ritual or game. I know we've tried a few.
I've tried at least a few of those.
And yeah, it can be an emotionalexperience and it can be very
grounding at the same time. Yeah, if you get through that
first phase of this is kind of weird, this is silly.
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But eventually it does become powerful.
Yeah, absolutely. Very connective.
Yeah, So instead of running awayout to nature, sometimes you
just find the the nearest human and just just look at him.
Just look at him. Wow.
It's another human being in the flesh that also won that race to
the to the egg and fertilized itand somehow hatched out and
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became this person with eyes anda nose and has all these senses
and can experience life. What the heck?
How did that happen? You know, it's like, that's what
a miracle, you know, and that'llbring you into a really present
state, right? So I think we can maybe try to
bring this home a little bit more, pun intended.
Yeah. So when it comes to what's the
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whole, like, what are we even doing here talking about this?
You distilled out that we're kind of helping to create more
discussion around themes and just like helping people just
even ask themselves these questions of how do you relate
with the word home and within yourself?
And how do you find groundednessin yourself and what's important
to you connecting with people innature?
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How do you do it and all these types of things?
What would come up for you on like, what's the most important
element? Like, what are we trying to
really distill? Asking yourself questions, yeah,
I think when you ask yourself the question, where and when do
I feel at home, right. Where and when do I feel at
home? And then you got to ask the
opposite of that. Where and when do I not feel at
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home? And then there needs to be some
sort of question in there that builds curiosity about change.
So where am I willing or just amI willing to explore a different
a new way of receiving support or something like that?
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Where am I unwilling to to see the support to receive the
support? Basically, where am I unwilling?
Where am I willing? I think that would be pretty
important to explore that as well.
And what am I scared of? You know what, what scares me
and is it true? Is it true?
The last thing I would look at without going into million
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questions is scarcity and abundance.
What is there a lack of in my life and what is there enough
of? And then write those out.
I think, 'cause there's a lot ofthings that you'll find that you
have a lot of. There's a lot you've, you know,
most people have access to water.
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If you're listening to this, youhave access to podcasts.
That's pretty cool. I'm assuming you prioritized
food before that. So, you know, just list them
out. I have this in my life.
I have this, I have enough of this.
I have enough of this. And what do I not have enough
of? And don't, you know, don't
ignore that because you may not have, let's say, the community
that you need, you know, maybe that's not something you really
look for. Maybe you don't have the
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relationship or the partner thatyou need.
That's OK. List that out.
You can go deeper into that as well.
Like what am I really seeking from that relationship?
OK, What it what is it I'm really seeking from that
relationship? I need to share my life with
somebody. I need to feel a sense of
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belonging. There's still deeper things even
if there's a partner involved. Yeah, I just think listing out
those things of what's scarcity,what's abundance, and we'll get
to that. That home will will define and
redefine and refine our relationship with home.
What about? The element of stillness or
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silence in this whole conversation because I'm
thinking sitting with some of these questions or even just
taking the time to listen to this podcast, you know,
obviously, you know, are you listening to everything that
we're saying or, you know, busy doing something else?
Maybe you are, maybe you're not.I'm not sure how present you are
with every word we're saying. Maybe not everywhere is the most
valuable, but I'm also thinking about slowing down and how
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slowing down creates more clarity for us to be able to
even answer some of these questions.
And then what is the relationship with slowing down,
with being able to sit with ourselves and actually have the
opportunity to connect maybe with somebody, maybe with
nature? So that was just something that
came through is like maybe that's even something before
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some of these questions like what's how is it for you to just
even just slow down and just to be with yourself for a moment
And then maybe asking those questions might be helpful as
well. But just, you know, you could
even take it to that step is like, am I OK with just being
still? What's my relationship with
that? Do I feel safe and secure within
myself to just be? Some people just have a hard
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time being still or slowing downto even like ask themselves
those. Questions because they need
something. Exactly.
They need something to be able to slow down.
Some people need a witness or they need somebody to to watch.
Accountability. They need accountability.
Some people may need to surrender some sort of idea or
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egoic attachment to the need at all.
They may not recognize the need.They don't need anything.
They're fine. I'm fine.
I don't need to slow down. I'm good.
But there might be, you know, there's that.
There needs to be an element of willingness to even to get
anywhere with it. With this conversation, I think
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slowing down can help it. So can speeding up and to slow
down, because to slow down meansthere has to be a certain amount
of awareness slow down. Like that's, that's an elusive
part of this whole equation of being present.
So sometimes if you actually speed up, and I mean, and that's
what a lot of Koreas are designed to do, they speed you
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up. Yeah.
You're moving in this way and whatever you're doing.
And you're, you speed a lot of stuff up.
You, you move things so fast your mind doesn't even have an
opportunity to think. Because sometimes if you slow
down too much, you can get very a little too planned out with
what you might say and it can become actually a very mental
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experience. So I do think there's something
to be said for some people needing to speed up and then get
still to, to slow down, speed up, to slow down.
I'm not saying just stay at fullspeed, but try it, you know?
Like whatever your normal. Speed is.
That's a condition you've conditioned yourself to be at
this normal. Normal is just a conditioned
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word in general. Natural is much different.
The trees are natural. Humans might come from nature,
but we are conditioned. So break your conditioning with
very simple techniques. Talk faster, do exercises that
make you think faster. Breathe faster if you need to,
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if you know how to safely do that or slower.
And then we're. Slower or do both.
Start fast. Exactly.
It's so. Hard for people to do.
It slower shifting, Yeah, it's really.
Hard. It's much easier to.
Start faster and then go slower.I mean it makes me think about
just like nervous system. Regulation, even sometimes just
sitting in meditation and stillness and I'm like, oh, I'm
so anxious, I need to calm down.And they start to meditate and
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it's not working. It's like, fuck, you know, you
need to like, move the energy first, right?
You know, Kapalabhati, breath offire, whatever it is, go for a
run, do some sort of movements, jump around like a crazy person,
dance, then, you know, sit down and ground yourself.
Because then now, like you said,you know that energy will be all
over the place in such a way that you won't even really be
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overthinking what you're doing. It'll just becoming more
natural. Also directing your.
Awareness consciously can help. So if you're like directing your
awareness down to the ground, for example, thinking about the
ground, what does the earth looklike?
I'm sending this breath to the ground.
I'm sending my hand, I'm sendingmy prayers, I'm sending my
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gratitude. I'm I'm putting this, even if
it's negativity or some emotion that you're trying to feel and
experience and let go of, you put it directed into a certain
place And the ground was made out of what dirt, great soil.
It's like dinosaur fossils and poop rocks and rocks that.
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Have been. Around forever, and they're just
full of information, full of absorption possibilities, right?
What happens when it rains? The rain absorbs in there,
right? Otherwise we'd experience
flooding at all times. So it's actually designed by
nature to give things to the earth, to give give it to the
ground. I have a random little story
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too. Not really close.
Off the podcast, but I. Kind of want to share it.
Yeah. So this morning a bird flew in
tour one of our windows knocked itself out.
I heard it. I was in this room actually.
And I heard boom. And I was like, oh, shit, what
happened? So I was finishing up what I was
doing. And then I walked out there.
And then Christina was sitting in meditation with the door open
and the bird was just sitting onthe ground.
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And they were just like staring at each other basically.
And I kind of walked out and I was like, what is going on right
now? And then she's like, oh, she
thought. I just saw the bird that was
sitting there and kind of lookeda little bit like injured.
So I just sat with it and just watched it.
And then it watched me. And then it was still happening
as she was telling me this, and I was just like, oh, Jesus, this
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is kind of cool. It's like a very real connected
moment. You know, you talked about
connecting with humans and eyes and stuff like that.
But then I started to look at the pigeon and the pigeon kind
of was looking up at me and just, you know, doing this
little head bobs and stuff like that and wasn't flying away and,
you know, pretty close within a couple of feet.
I just thought it was a very interesting grounding moment
that I experienced this morning,so.
Full circle for the podcast. One of my top three yoga poses
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too. Pigeon.
Yeah, Yeah. Until next time.
Until next time. All right, We'll see you next
week. See you next week.
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Hey there. Hey, welcome back.
Thanks to the open mic. Podcast with the in.
Movement. And.
A lot of people that tend to communicate very.
(00:44):
Well, always. And his name is.
Baronian de Marseillon and Michael.
Henrietta Yeah. Oh that'll that's one way to
start the podcast. Yeah.
Well, you said did I want to start it?
And you know, I said, I want it to start itself.
So I think it just did kind of. So welcome to the podcast.
(01:05):
Here we are, Michael Henry in the house and Byron de
Marseille. So, you know, we can, we can go
into different worlds a little bit with where we're going to
go, but I think we're going to. Talk funny first.
What's that? You said world and you struggled
to say it. You said world, and that's the
word that I struggled saying. What did I just say?
(01:26):
That's the word or the world. I was a kid.
I couldn't say that word. World.
To the point I'm having a littlebit of like flashbacks.
Oh, now my jaw feels locked up because you.
Said no, I couldn't say world, world.
I love world. It's the one word I just
couldn't say it world. And anyways, that reminded me
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about. Well, hopefully we still have
our listeners listening after the first 3 minutes of that.
OK, Yeah, I guess we're going totalk about home.
Home, home. So what is home?
What actually makes a person feel safe?
And how do we know when that sense of safety is a real thing
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rather than just a familiar thing?
Well, why are we talking about home?
Well, home is really where the foundations are.
That's where the heart is. Very true.
Home is where the foundations are when it comes to we're going
to talk about energy and the foundations of we can call them
boot chakra, senses of safety, familiarity, basic needs, these
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types of things you can't basically brainstorming a lot of
words that could relate to survival, groundedness,
centeredness, and we basically came back to, well, what does it
all mean? It's like a sense of feeling.
Home. So that's kind of what we're
going to talk. About.
Yeah, yeah. We got a list of questions.
I think the questions are helpful to generate some of the
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conversation piece. I mean, fire and I can just
riff, but it's also nice to havesomething to go off of.
So first question we have is what actually makes a person
feel safe? And how do we know when that
sense of safety is a real thing rather than just a familiar
thing? So the first part of that was
how do we know when we're safe? Yeah.
How does a person How do we actually What actually makes a
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person feel safe? When we feel safe, there is a
sense of belonging in that specific environment.
It's kind of broad to talk aboutit in that way, but if you're
talking about just feeling like at home, and I'm thinking this
is more of a metaphorical home, it's not like necessarily my
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house home. It's like home can be anywhere
that you feel like you belong and be long.
What an interesting word that islike to look up the etymology on
that. But it does have longing in
there. So it's something that probably
has to do with the deep heartfelt desires that we long
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for, meaning we we need them. Our needs are basically very
much connected to be longing. I mean, the word home is
something that comes up in a lotof trainings actually, when not
always, but it's when we ask people like what does yoga mean
to you? There is often at least one
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person that says it makes me feel like I'm coming back home.
Not in the literal sense, but inthe sense of themselves back to
their to their home within themselves.
Feeling part of something whole,wholeness, like a WHOLE, like
feeling whole, I think is part of being home.
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What do you got? So belonging comes from the verb
belong plus ING ending. Belong is recorded in Middle
English and is traced to an earlier from built earlier form
built from B plus longing with senses like to go along with,
pertain to or be properly related to external meaning,
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being part of a group, place or home, internal meaning feeling
rightly placed within yourself in life.
There you go. Feeling rightly placed.
Rightly placed in your life. Yeah, that makes sense.
Like to long for something is tofeel rightly placed.
It's like that, really. I called it a heartfelt desire.
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But a heartfelt desire, you could say it's to really your
longing for it. To feel part of something, to
feel it like you're in your right place.
And feeling in your right place is very much feeling at home.
So acceptance and belonging and feeling rooted and grounded and
present. Feeling safe is essentially
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feeling present. If you're able to get to a
balanced place of safety, balanced meaning you're not like
disillusioned or attached too much to feeling safe.
Because you know, some of us canprobably venture a little too
far out of just just a little bit out of the comfort zone.
And it's like, oh, that's way too unsafe.
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Whereas other people can go way further out of their comfort
zone and still feel safe. And I think that's something
that is worth a mention as well when it when you're talking
about home. So yeah, I think attachments
come comes in a lot when I thinkabout that.
Subject yeah, the thing that came up from you is just like
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your basic needs to some degree,but I I honestly want to go into
like the nervous system basic needs of just feeling.
You said safe but like just likebalanced within yourself which
can come from just the breath. Yeah, how you do it right.
Connecting to the senses of, youknow, just feeling the things
that are real in the world in front of you and as opposed to a
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lot of the perceived dangers that come through our brain and
our mind, especially nowadays because we don't live in the
jungle where we're fighting off real dangers.
Often times it's a lot of perceived dangers.
So we get taken away from our home because of our own mind,
ultimately in that sense of imbalance within our nervous
system. So when we can feel more
balanced, more grounded in ourselves, we are probably more
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able to come back to our place of home, which is probably why
yoga for a lot of people can help them feel like they're
coming back home because it helps them to regulate that part
of themselves. Yeah.
And then the possibilities of after you feel regulated and
let's say calm to some level, then you might be able to, yeah,
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more possibilities, feel desire,experience, emotions, pleasure,
you know, have, you know, you can start to develop healthier
relationships with everything. Do you have some more questions
there? I think?
Thinking about the home element and if we're relating it to the
root chakra stability and we talk about fear as being one of
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the main, let's say, undesired emotions that can disrupt that
part of our sense of security. Fear based control is ultimately
when you're, let's say your system is overactive and you're
trying to control everything so that you can feel safe, which
means you're kind of have your hands and everything around you
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and you're, you know, having a difficult time letting go of
that. I feel like that right now.
You do? Yeah.
OK, say more. Well, it's like I'm trying to
decide, like, is this podcast going in a direction that our
viewers would like? And I'm, I'm, I'm thinking, what
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are the questions? And yeah, I'm just having a, a
moment of like trying to let go of the expectations of it.
I'm like breathing. I'm thinking I'm oscillating
between the two. I'm like, you know, just relax.
It's like a real lived experience.
Yeah. Questioning like starting it
over, wondering if we should have a safe word or some like
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signal with each other. I appreciate that.
It's very authentic and it's very real.
I mean, we didn't actually like have a huge plan when we started
recording. And I think that's kind of maybe
happened naturally for a reason because of the topic being about
groundedness, but maybe also theungroundedness, doing things
that make you feel unsafe or unbalanced or maybe like you
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don't have control because we didn't have a preparation
necessarily and how that can throw you off.
So I'm sure that's something that a lot of people can relate
to it. Makes me think of like how yoga
facilitation, teaching classes, teaching classes is often been
that kind of experiences as wellfor me where you just show up,
you do your best and you can only plan so much and you can
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over plan. You can be too attached to the
sequence and yeah, things might not go accordingly.
Sometimes they flow really well,sometimes they don't.
Sometimes you forget the sequence and it's still
wonderful. Sometimes you remember the whole
thing and it's terrible. It's hard to really control the
expectations of it. So yeah, it makes me think about
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kind of that structure and like how, you know, if we did hit
record again on this and startedover, I'd be like, OK, let's go
back to that question when I asked you why are we bringing
this up? And to me, that structure is
really important for absorption and learning.
Like OK, ask me, why are we doing this?
Why are we doing this? It's a.
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Good question, Michael. Why are we doing this podcast?
I'm so glad you asked. Me.
Why are we talking about home? Why are we stability, right,
Because it's kind of this elusive like why did they just
hit record and start start talking about home?
It seems like there's some kind of.
Like a motive. Pre yeah, there's a motive, A
predetermined like, you know, there's a there's some kind of
like thing behind this this thatthey're not talking about.
And it's because we are creatinga template in which the end
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movement our new business can operate from.
And we want to make a differenceand help people make a
difference in their lives so that they can know themselves
better through topics. And the first topic that we
chose that we thought could be so helpful because you are
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literally building from the ground up is home.
And obviously we did look at like chakra oriented things like
root chakra, but we wanted to put this in a digestible way so
that people could really understand it for their own
lives. And then later down the road
we'll start to move into, you know, the other tangible
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qualities of life that can pertain and be relatable as
well. In order to look at root chakra,
we also need to look at fear. You mentioned it, fear and what
we're afraid of scarcity, abundance.
When it comes to being grounded,feeling safe, feeling supported,
having what you need, food, water, shelter.
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What else do you need? People need more than that.
Emotional needs. Emotional needs can vary.
Some person might need 2 hugs a day where others need 20.
They say that that your root shock or development is
happening from the womb till oneyear old.
If that's true, then there's a lot of ground to make up for
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there for certain people. So I often times think about
that when we have different needs.
Why do we have different needs? Well, we had different support
when we were growing up. So to feel home, yeah.
Like, what is that balance for you?
What's that balance for everyoneso that they can be in their
most optimal, you know, mindset and feel in their bodies?
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Because to me, that's where the rubber meets the road is like
when you feel home, you really truly feel like you can be
yourself. Authenticity does not really
exist unless you can be in your own skin, in your own body, in
your own home. And to me, that's really what
this is about. And since we talked about yoga a
lot, I mean, anybody can relate to this, whether you do yoga,
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anybody who has a body and ears and senses, who can perceive and
listen to this podcast can relate to that.
To be in your body, to feel safein your body is essentially what
being home is. Now, I think we all could
stretch ourselves. Nobody's perfect, but perfect by
design, and that we can become more, you know, we can expand
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our horizons, our ability to feel safe in quote UN quote
unsafe places. You know, I'm not saying go put
yourself in dangerous way. We don't all have to jump out of
airplanes or walk down dark alleys with, you know, no, you
know, supervision. But to walk out some people just
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to leave your house might be a big deal and just a risk in its
own. So yeah, it's like navigating
that for yourself. And I think there's probably
some good viewer based questionsin there like what what scares?
What scares you about What scares you about moving to Bali?
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A lot of things probably which would start with just the
unknown of this is a completely different place.
And those fears, I don't know ifthey've lessened over time or
they grew because the more that I knew and understood is that
this place is very different from where I came from.
The home is a different. Home, and if you explore it
deeply enough, you're probably going to find out.
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Fill in the blank I'm I was scared to move to Bali because I
I was afraid there wouldn't be enough something.
I wouldn't have enough money to survive and to be able to stay
right, for example. Or enough someone else might say
opportunities to work. Yeah, to find that sense of
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comfort that I need for feeling home.
Yeah, enough people to have a friendship with or a community
build a community with. Right, have a sense of purpose
and belonging potentially. Right, someone else it might be
like I don't have access to the same medical care that I had
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back home that I feel like I depend on, you know, but that
that word enough is pretty big there, right There's there.
There's an enoughness of material substance of some sort.
It's emotional enoughness. It's it's basic needs
enoughness, resources enough. Do you have enough resources to
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really do you have enough oxygento survive?
Right. Yeah.
I'm sure there's like a pandemicof some sorts of different
chakras over the timeline of centuries that that feel
threatened. You know, whether it's malaria,
some, you know, flu, bird flu, whatever these different things
have happened in history come and you start to have a, you
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know, from the top down, everybody is fear based for fear
of their lives. And this stuff also is
generational and it pumps through the next generation and
the next generation, the next generation.
And we, we wake up and we, I believe we feel this right.
If we feel it from zero to 12 months to one year, our parents
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felt it and they're residually passing it to us.
A lot of times we feel like it'sour problem.
You know, it's like us and only us.
And then we just point to our parents.
And like, that's as far as a lotof people get.
Some people don't even get to their parents.
They're just think it's their fault and they, you know, just
take it out on themselves. I mean, what a relief, you know?
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I mean, yeah, we're all fucked up.
You know, it's kind of that. What a relief.
We're all fucked up. We're all different in that
navigation system. We're all exploring our, the,
the holes of our Swiss cheese, right?
We're not a whole block of cheese and we're just got a lot
of holes. And the holes might be different
from each person. And those holes, like you said,
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might be ancestral or passed on from, you know, parents and
things like that. And they can also be just
developed from our early years, whether they're some of those
basic needs weren't there or just conditions and patterns
that we kind of developed for the purpose that we needed to
grow up quicker than we needed to actually grow up.
You know, like being a lot of people get put in situations,
(17:29):
unfortunately, when they're young because of something in
the family dynamics where they need to grow up quicker as a 10
year old, 11 year old, 12 year old, for whatever reason, which
I know is very relatable to a lot of people because we've
heard stories about it. And that really fucks up your
sense of safety and foundation when often at those early years
you're still, you know, buildingsome of that to some degree.
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So how do we become a whole block of cheese?
Well, I'll probably start with breathing grounding, which I
think is the most important thing.
I mean, it's great to kind of gothrough like a list of like to
do's, but sometimes that not might not necessarily be the
most helpful, but often times it's just like really connecting
with yourself 1st and trying to center yourself.
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You know, one of the words that we had written down when it came
to this topic was just nervous system.
And the nervous system is very much internal.
We're talking about home and allthese other like related things
to community and parents and elements that might ruffle those
feathers. But ultimately it starts within
ourselves. And even though a lot of those
things might be true from the external world, we can still
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ground ourselves. And by doing that, we help our
nervous system balance, which isbasically one of the same.
And then from there we can take actions.
We can go through the list of what might help me fill in those
Swiss cheese pieces. But I think the basic practice
of whatever that might be to help ground could be the yoga
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for a lot of people, meditation,the breath, the practice of
moving the body, running, jogging, whatever it is, right?
You can call it yoga or you can call it something else, but I
think finding a centred balance place, which might often times
be removing ourselves from certain environments that don't
make us feel as safe physically.And then, yeah, starting from
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there, it's basically that foundation because from there
you can, it's a, it's a never ending journey.
Or you might think you filled inall the holes, but there's
always some Swiss cheese holes available.
Yeah. I mean, you know, to me it's
like the the grounding part you mentioned is the real, the real
focus point. It's like we could go back in
time or start now and implement grounding into schools.
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And I'm sure some schools talk about it in some way.
I mean, I know there's groundingdevices, earthing devices, like
what is grounding? You know, you just went on this
whole thing. You you talked about grounding
and breathing, but like, is thatenough for people to really
apply that into their lives? Some people, yes, and some
people definitely not. Like what is it just seems like
you just kind of glaze over it often.
(20:04):
And like to really truly embody grounding, it has a lot to do
with like, I'm touching this table right now.
You know, it's like the physicalworld is your playground to
ground, right? But it's, it's not just about
playing. Playing would be more the
element of like, what does it feel like?
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It's just the fact that it's here, you are here, the earth is
here, presence is here all the time.
And you can use your senses. If you're lucky, you have 5.
If you're unlucky, you have 6. Just kidding.
But you have, you know, this, this tangible senses and maybe
less tangible senses than more of like feelers and like into it
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and things. You can smell stuff, you can
taste it. You feel moisture and like,
these are the things you can touch the ground.
You can put your feet in the mud.
I mean, we kind of do these things.
At least I did them a lot as a kid, but nobody talked about it
as a way to regulate your nervous system.
It was just like, go outside andlike, let's dig in the dirt and
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stuff. And it might have had a positive
effect on us. I know my mom was a big gardener
and she probably had no understanding of really what she
was doing, but she knew she loved it so.
It's like connecting with natureand connecting with other living
things, which, you know, maybe dysregulated humans is what
you're dealing with. So it's like you go to nature.
Nature's not really dysregulated.
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Nature's always grounded. It's always there for you to
help you find your center. So.
I was talking to someone the other day who she's like not
she's a city person. And her doctor actually told her
because she was experiencing some panic attacks.
And then she said the doctor said, go on a hike and she went
on a hike and it was like one ofthose hikes that's like tiring.
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And she slept. She said the best night of her
life after that, which I was like, oh, that's so interesting
how this person is like they needed to connect those dots.
They were so far away from the, they needed, you know, from the
truth of nature that they neededsomebody to, like, wake them up
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to it. And I think that's kind of how
we can, we can all get in that way, you know, in that mode
sometimes where we forget, forget.
Oh, yeah. Just breathe.
No matter what your environment is, you can always do that.
And then if you have a beautiful, you know, like areas
to explore in, go do it. If you live in a city, there's
other ways. I mean, you can still catch a
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sunset or you can catch a sunrise, or you can feel the
heat on your skin. Even if you can't see the sun,
you still feel the heat on your skin and you can really just be
present. And I think that is an art that
keeps wilting further and further away.
The more advanced we become withtechnology and the more
(22:58):
convenient and modern things become, the more that one button
press used to do what a sequenceof 20 actions does.
Now you can just push a button. Those 20 actions are all
completed immediately. And then the next phase is you
don't even have to touch the button.
You just talk to the button. And then after the talking of
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the button, you think of the button and now it's done.
So I do think that the root chakra regulation, the
grounding, the home feeling is maybe which could be the most
important 1 is probably the one we're getting the furthest away
from. And then if you're far away from
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that one, then you, you know, you're going to there's going to
be some sharp curves to turn back, to be able to, to balance
out a lot of these other amazingexperiences that we can have,
like feeling joy and peace and, you know, pleasure and love.
Love. Yeah.
I mean, I think love was something I was thinking about
when you were talking earlier. I was like, I want to talk about
(24:01):
love. But I kind of went off from this
whole thing because love might just be the answer.
Just feel the see the love and everything.
Feel the love and everything. Breathe the love in.
Breathe the love out. And then there's one more word
that is equally important, Trust.
Trust. There is an element of trust.
(24:24):
And the truth is, is that we don't, we're not, we don't need
to trust everything, but better.We need to trust that Earth is
our home. You know, Earth is providing for
us and that we have a relationship with Earth and
nature, one that is not just taking away from it, but to give
(24:45):
to it. I think that simple fundamental
exchange builds trust, you know,and that trust is probably
already there. And we might get a little far
away from it, but just to remindourselves on a daily basis.
And the more you look at the trees and the flowers and the
more you feel the heat against your skin and the more you
breathe in the fresh air or even, you know, air that's not
(25:06):
so fresh sometimes, but you still breathe and you're still
like, I'm breathing. You become present.
And then through that presence, maybe you'll maybe you'll get a
little more trust, a little morelove.
What do you? Think, wow, I'm digesting a lot.
Yeah. And the last most recent thing
(25:26):
that kind of stuck with me was trust.
It had something to do with trust and starting with things
that you can for sure trust. Like I trust the ground
underneath me is supporting me and it's going to stay there.
You know, I trust that every breath there'll be oxygen there
(25:47):
for me, hopefully, at least in the most cases, I would say.
But just starting with, you know, you said, you mentioned
like those basic senses is actually how we start to build
not just the trust, but just thestability of the safety within
ourselves and within, you know, what's around us.
So tapping into those senses, like smells connecting to
(26:08):
nature. Like I just, yeah, everything
that you were saying, I was like, I'm just imagining myself
as a kid going out into nature and not even have to think about
it because I'm just being a kid.But as adults now, it's almost
like we have to retrain ourselves to be like, it's
normal to go sit in the grass and just like feel it with my
hand, rub my hand through the, the, the blades of grass or to
(26:30):
like smell a flower as opposed to being, feeling like I'm being
judged 'cause I'm doing that. Or maybe I'm like, this is a
waste of time or, you know, whatever it is.
So it's interesting to kind of like retrain this system to go
back to something that to go back to exactly what is already
true, which is that we are connected to this whole system.
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You know, you know. We can trust that.
This added element to it is, is like, I think about this
sometimes and I see people and probably because I see it in
myself sometimes, but I've seen it strongly in some people where
they they they don't connect with a very obvious grounding
element. And what do you think I'm going
(27:15):
to say? People, people like, because we
mistrust people so much, right? Unbalanced people.
Yeah. We, we don't trust people so
much. I mean, sure, you trust some
people. Some people you don't trust.
Some people don't trust anybody.Zero.
And for good reasons. Maybe because they've been,
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their trust has been broken. And you have to build trust.
And you know, some people trust 1st until you break it.
Other people, you have to build their trust.
Some people say they trust people, but they don't.
Some people say they don't trustyou, but they do.
It's, it's a big mind fuck. But what I do find is that a
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very grounding thing is just to look at somebody in the eyes or
just, you know, because this is the elements, right?
We are the elements. The tree is much easier because
you don't feel judged by the tree, right?
But for some people, the tree might not be enough.
It might be a good starting point, but it's not enough.
At some point you're just like, there's not a witness.
You don't really believe that that tree is watching you.
(28:19):
You don't believe it. You're just like, yeah, it's
breathing. It's beautiful.
I can feel it and touch it, but it's not really truly alive to
me. My senses don't believe that's
true. But a human being, you, you,
your, your mind won't play that trick.
Your mind is immediately presentto the fact you're being watched
and you're being potentially judged.
You may or may not be being judged, but you may feel a
(28:41):
certain way about it. So I do think that that is in
some ways it might be more advanced, but I do believe some
people are actually wired to connect with people and not
nature. So they find that in people and
not nature. Maybe that's all they know,
especially if they grew up in a city.
It's like you're not even aroundnature to even know how to
connect to nature, which is why people say they're going to the
(29:01):
countryside, they're going to the cottage and all this stuff.
It's because why is those thingsso popular?
We're going on vacation because you're getting away from that,
usually that unconnected or disconnected area to hopefully
reconnect with yourself and nature.
People like to go on hikes and they like to go on boats and you
know, all these types of things.And whether they didn't know it
or not, there's a certain like at least a little bit of a foot
(29:22):
forward into connecting with nature to some degree.
Yeah. And the kind of connecting I'm
talking with people isn't necessarily the kind of we're
doing. I mean, yeah, we're kind of
looking at each other sometimes and sometimes looking at the
camera. And I'm talking as I'm talking
can be, you know, a way of connecting or taking you further
away from connection. So the kind of witnessing that
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I'm speaking about right now isn't, it's not going to say
about the words that can be completely silent.
It's probably a stronger way to do it.
And then you just get to witnessand be witnessed.
And if you're willing to sit with that a few seconds, maybe
30 seconds, maybe a minute, maybe a few minutes, yeah,
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you'll find that it's very grounding.
I don't know if any of our listeners have ever done an eye
gazing type of ritual or game. I know we've tried a few.
I've tried at least a few of those.
And yeah, it can be an emotionalexperience and it can be very
grounding at the same time. Yeah, if you get through that
first phase of this is kind of weird, this is silly.
(30:29):
But eventually it does become powerful.
Yeah, absolutely. Very connective.
Yeah, So instead of running awayout to nature, sometimes you
just find the the nearest human and just just look at him.
Just look at him. Wow.
It's another human being in the flesh that also won that race to
the to the egg and fertilized itand somehow hatched out and
(30:52):
became this person with eyes anda nose and has all these senses
and can experience life. What the heck?
How did that happen? You know, it's like, that's what
a miracle, you know, and that'llbring you into a really present
state, right? So I think we can maybe try to
bring this home a little bit more, pun intended.
Yeah. So when it comes to what's the
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whole, like, what are we even doing here talking about this?
You distilled out that we're kind of helping to create more
discussion around themes and just like helping people just
even ask themselves these questions of how do you relate
with the word home and within yourself?
And how do you find groundednessin yourself and what's important
to you connecting with people innature?
(31:32):
How do you do it and all these types of things?
What would come up for you on like, what's the most important
element? Like, what are we trying to
really distill? Asking yourself questions, yeah,
I think when you ask yourself the question, where and when do
I feel at home, right. Where and when do I feel at
home? And then you got to ask the
opposite of that. Where and when do I not feel at
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home? And then there needs to be some
sort of question in there that builds curiosity about change.
So where am I willing or just amI willing to explore a different
a new way of receiving support or something like that?
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Where am I unwilling to to see the support to receive the
support? Basically, where am I unwilling?
Where am I willing? I think that would be pretty
important to explore that as well.
And what am I scared of? You know what, what scares me
and is it true? Is it true?
The last thing I would look at without going into million
(32:40):
questions is scarcity and abundance.
What is there a lack of in my life and what is there enough
of? And then write those out.
I think, 'cause there's a lot ofthings that you'll find that you
have a lot of. There's a lot you've, you know,
most people have access to water.
(33:01):
If you're listening to this, youhave access to podcasts.
That's pretty cool. I'm assuming you prioritized
food before that. So, you know, just list them
out. I have this in my life.
I have this, I have enough of this.
I have enough of this. And what do I not have enough
of? And don't, you know, don't
ignore that because you may not have, let's say, the community
that you need, you know, maybe that's not something you really
look for. Maybe you don't have the
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relationship or the partner thatyou need.
That's OK. List that out.
You can go deeper into that as well.
Like what am I really seeking from that relationship?
OK, What it what is it I'm really seeking from that
relationship? I need to share my life with
somebody. I need to feel a sense of
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belonging. There's still deeper things even
if there's a partner involved. Yeah, I just think listing out
those things of what's scarcity,what's abundance, and we'll get
to that. That home will will define and
redefine and refine our relationship with home.
What about? The element of stillness or
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silence in this whole conversation because I'm
thinking sitting with some of these questions or even just
taking the time to listen to this podcast, you know,
obviously, you know, are you listening to everything that
we're saying or, you know, busy doing something else?
Maybe you are, maybe you're not.I'm not sure how present you are
with every word we're saying. Maybe not everywhere is the most
valuable, but I'm also thinking about slowing down and how
(34:29):
slowing down creates more clarity for us to be able to
even answer some of these questions.
And then what is the relationship with slowing down,
with being able to sit with ourselves and actually have the
opportunity to connect maybe with somebody, maybe with
nature? So that was just something that
came through is like maybe that's even something before
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some of these questions like what's how is it for you to just
even just slow down and just to be with yourself for a moment
And then maybe asking those questions might be helpful as
well. But just, you know, you could
even take it to that step is like, am I OK with just being
still? What's my relationship with
that? Do I feel safe and secure within
myself to just be? Some people just have a hard
(35:10):
time being still or slowing downto even like ask themselves
those. Questions because they need
something. Exactly.
They need something to be able to slow down.
Some people need a witness or they need somebody to to watch.
Accountability. They need accountability.
Some people may need to surrender some sort of idea or
(35:35):
egoic attachment to the need at all.
They may not recognize the need.They don't need anything.
They're fine. I'm fine.
I don't need to slow down. I'm good.
But there might be, you know, there's that.
There needs to be an element of willingness to even to get
anywhere with it. With this conversation, I think
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slowing down can help it. So can speeding up and to slow
down, because to slow down meansthere has to be a certain amount
of awareness slow down. Like that's, that's an elusive
part of this whole equation of being present.
So sometimes if you actually speed up, and I mean, and that's
what a lot of Koreas are designed to do, they speed you
(36:17):
up. Yeah.
You're moving in this way and whatever you're doing.
And you're, you speed a lot of stuff up.
You, you move things so fast your mind doesn't even have an
opportunity to think. Because sometimes if you slow
down too much, you can get very a little too planned out with
what you might say and it can become actually a very mental
(36:39):
experience. So I do think there's something
to be said for some people needing to speed up and then get
still to, to slow down, speed up, to slow down.
I'm not saying just stay at fullspeed, but try it, you know?
Like whatever your normal. Speed is.
That's a condition you've conditioned yourself to be at
this normal. Normal is just a conditioned
(37:00):
word in general. Natural is much different.
The trees are natural. Humans might come from nature,
but we are conditioned. So break your conditioning with
very simple techniques. Talk faster, do exercises that
make you think faster. Breathe faster if you need to,
(37:22):
if you know how to safely do that or slower.
And then we're. Slower or do both.
Start fast. Exactly.
It's so. Hard for people to do.
It slower shifting, Yeah, it's really.
Hard. It's much easier to.
Start faster and then go slower.I mean it makes me think about
just like nervous system. Regulation, even sometimes just
sitting in meditation and stillness and I'm like, oh, I'm
so anxious, I need to calm down.And they start to meditate and
(37:42):
it's not working. It's like, fuck, you know, you
need to like, move the energy first, right?
You know, Kapalabhati, breath offire, whatever it is, go for a
run, do some sort of movements, jump around like a crazy person,
dance, then, you know, sit down and ground yourself.
Because then now, like you said,you know that energy will be all
over the place in such a way that you won't even really be
(38:02):
overthinking what you're doing. It'll just becoming more
natural. Also directing your.
Awareness consciously can help. So if you're like directing your
awareness down to the ground, for example, thinking about the
ground, what does the earth looklike?
I'm sending this breath to the ground.
I'm sending my hand, I'm sendingmy prayers, I'm sending my
(38:24):
gratitude. I'm I'm putting this, even if
it's negativity or some emotion that you're trying to feel and
experience and let go of, you put it directed into a certain
place And the ground was made out of what dirt, great soil.
It's like dinosaur fossils and poop rocks and rocks that.
(38:45):
Have been. Around forever, and they're just
full of information, full of absorption possibilities, right?
What happens when it rains? The rain absorbs in there,
right? Otherwise we'd experience
flooding at all times. So it's actually designed by
nature to give things to the earth, to give give it to the
ground. I have a random little story
(39:07):
too. Not really close.
Off the podcast, but I. Kind of want to share it.
Yeah. So this morning a bird flew in
tour one of our windows knocked itself out.
I heard it. I was in this room actually.
And I heard boom. And I was like, oh, shit, what
happened? So I was finishing up what I was
doing. And then I walked out there.
And then Christina was sitting in meditation with the door open
and the bird was just sitting onthe ground.
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And they were just like staring at each other basically.
And I kind of walked out and I was like, what is going on right
now? And then she's like, oh, she
thought. I just saw the bird that was
sitting there and kind of lookeda little bit like injured.
So I just sat with it and just watched it.
And then it watched me. And then it was still happening
as she was telling me this, and I was just like, oh, Jesus, this
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is kind of cool. It's like a very real connected
moment. You know, you talked about
connecting with humans and eyes and stuff like that.
But then I started to look at the pigeon and the pigeon kind
of was looking up at me and just, you know, doing this
little head bobs and stuff like that and wasn't flying away and,
you know, pretty close within a couple of feet.
I just thought it was a very interesting grounding moment
that I experienced this morning,so.
Full circle for the podcast. One of my top three yoga poses
(40:11):
too. Pigeon.
Yeah, Yeah. Until next time.
Until next time. All right, We'll see you next
week. See you next week.
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