May 6, 2026 • 35 mins
Sekala and Niskala — the Balinese philosophy of the seen and the unseen — asks what if the most important thing in your life is the one you can't see?
This milestone episode introduces two ancient Balinese concepts that are now the beating heart of the studio itself — Sekala (the seen) and Niskala (the unseen). Through an unscripted, thoughtful conversation, the episode explores what runs our lives beneath the surface: thoughts, intuition, gut feelings, spiritual energy, and the invisible forces shaping every decision we make. From ignoring your gut to the discomfort of saying yes when you mean no, from the breath inside a yoga pose to the love inside a home-cooked meal — the seen and the unseen are always working together. The Balinese don't treat one as more real than the other. Most of the modern world does. This episode is an invitation to tend to both — and to ask yourself honestly which one you've been neglecting.
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Episode Chapters:
00:00:29 Introduction
00:01:31 What's Invisible in Your Life Right Now?
00:02:41 Thoughts, Feelings, and the Ethereal Plane
00:04:31 How Much Energy Do You Spend on How You Look vs. How You Feel?
00:07:00 When Did You Ignore Your Gut — and What Did It Cost?
00:13:45 Saying Yes When You Mean No — Intuition and Boundaries
00:18:43 Revealing the Topic: Sekala and Niskala Explained
00:20:00 Balinese Culture and Why It Draws People to Bali
00:22:11 The Two Studio Shalas — Niskala Upstairs, Sekala Downstairs
00:23:44 How Much Do You Tend the Seen vs. the Unseen?
00:25:08 The Unseen in Yoga Poses, Mastery, and Creativity
00:31:34 The Unseen in Other People — Compassion and Empathy
00:33:03 When Someone Called Self-Reflection a Waste of Time
00:34:36 What Western Society Gets Wrong — and What Bali Gets Right
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Mentions & Resources:
- Michael Henri’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelyoga.pt/
- Byron de Marsé’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/byronyoga/
- The IN Movement Instagram: https://www.instagram/com/the_in_movement/
Balinese concepts explored:
Sekala — the seen, physical, tangible world
Niskala — the unseen, spiritual, energetic realm
Yoga concepts referenced:
Prana Vayus (winds of energy within the body)
Yamas and Niyamas (ethical guidelines, not rules)
Frameworks mentioned:
Human Design — sacral authority and splenic authority
Manifestation (101 level overview)
Cultural references:
Andrew Tate — referenced briefly as an example of extreme seen-world thinking
The Beatles — referenced as an example of unseen creative mastery
Studio context:
Niskala Shala — upstairs daily practice room
Sekala Shala — downstairs training/learning space
Studio naming informed by Kimberly (half-Balinese teacher)
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Hello and welcome back to the InMovement podcast.
I'm your host, or one of your hosts, Michael Henry, and also
the other host here. Byron de Marseille.
Byron in the house. So today we've discussed quite a
(00:45):
bit about what we're going to talk about, and we're probably
not going to necessarily jump into it specifically yet.
Instead, I'm going to start off by asking you, Byron, a
question. You can ask me a question, many
questions, if you want. Can I ask you a question?
Of course. How do I turn this up so I can
hear it a little bit louder? There's a little green button
down over there, can you just turn that to the right?
(01:06):
Oh, wow. Oh, goodness.
Wow. Yeah, I, I, I love hearing
myself speak so. Great.
Well, I'm about to ask you a question so you'll hear more of
it. OK, OK, I'm kidding if this is
your first time. I mean, I I do and I don't.
It's the scene and the unseen of, you know, hearing and not
hearing that's leading into the topic of the day.
(01:30):
Yep. So as we move towards that
direction, my question for you, Byron, is what's invisible in
your life right now that's quietly running everything.
Is that a Riddle? Nope, no.
What is invisible in my life that is currently running?
Quietly. Running everything.
(01:50):
Quietly running everything invisible.
Well, I would have to say the first thing that comes to mind,
ironically, is thought. Also feeling.
And yeah, I think those are the main things.
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Thoughts, feelings, dreams, potential ideas.
What's your thoughts? So yeah, let's just lean into
that a little bit more because Ithink, I think if I go deeper,
it might just be the same thing in a different way.
So based off of those things, we're stick with thoughts or you
know, the other things as you'removing through your life, your
(02:32):
day-to-day and decisions and experiences and things like
that. How are those thoughts
influencing your actions decisions?
On the ethereal plane. So the ethereal plane, meaning
where space, the ever pervading space, which is nothingness, is
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merging into movement, it's becoming something, but before
it is something, there's a transition into becoming
something. And that element is what we call
ether. So thoughts exist on that plane,
much like in yoga, how we talk about prana exists on that plane
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as well. Prana values.
Some people may have studied yoga that listened to this
podcast, I'm sure. If not, that means the winds of
energy. So you have different subtle
energy moving different directions all the time
throughout your body specifically is that that's what
that refers to is like within your your Physiology and it's
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affecting your systems and your thought processes and your
ability to let go. It's your actual the cycles of,
you know, like actually like defecating and urinating and all
the things that are super fun toto bring up on the 1st 5 minutes
of a podcast. But back to the subject, the
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lecture at hand, manifestation is on that realm as well.
And manifestation comes from thethought and the feeling space of
basically putting yourself in the position as as if, as if
it's already taking place that that's just to keep it on like
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one O 1 manifestation could probably go deeper.
Yeah. So that's my answer.
Here's a follow up question thatmight help.
How much energy do you spend on how you look versus how you
actually feel inside? Look versus feel, it's not like
I'm keeping track or I don't have a, an Apple Watch or some
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device that's keeping track of that.
But I'm personally way more involved with the process of how
I feel. And but that's, that's been a,
a, a long 10 year lifelong dedication to, to that, to that
profession of, of yoga, which isoften times associated with your
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inner state of being, not being tossed around by your external
environment and just kind of flailing in the wind, as you
might say, having some sort of control over your inner state.
So to me, I'm, I'm always considering that.
I'm not saying that peace and tranquility are always my
default vibration. I like to live on the edge.
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I, I think stress is something we get used to as well.
And especially, like, with the lifestyles and social like,
yeah, just whatever you have going on in your life, your
lifestyle may require you to be really stressed because you're
opening a business. That's what I'm doing.
You have responsibilities all over the place, and you kind of
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get excited by stress. I may not necessarily try to
master just, you know, if I wanted to just feel peace and
tranquility all the time, I'd probably just become a monk and
reduce all the temptation around.
Something about me chooses to live here.
I love it. And I want that, you know, it's
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like a little bit of a roller coaster, but not too far, right?
Because then it gets to be overwhelming.
And then you got to do whatever you got to do to get back into
that state of closer to what we call balance, which means you
might have to isolate yourself or, you know, take a vacation.
Are those things. How's that?
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Yeah. Do you want to ask me a question
or do you want me to keep going?OK.
Knowing where we're kind of going and you know, obviously I
asked you 2 questions already and.
Yeah, well, whether the listeneryou have questions in front of
you. Yeah, mine are going to come
just from my my brain. I guess they're going to come
from the. Ether I mean I can ask myself
one of the questions. Yeah, maybe do that.
(06:56):
Maybe we can both answer and maybe that's the better way to
go. OK, but I'll answer first.
But the next question that I wasthinking was when did you ignore
your gut and what did it cost you?
So when did I ignore my gut and when did it cost me?
And I can say lots of times I'veignored my gut actually.
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And that's probably one of my practices that I've been
focusing on more over the last several years is to trust my
gut, trust my intuition, trust that deeper knowing as opposed
to letting other things influence it, which is hard,
hard sometimes. And there's been times where
I've like had a gut feeling and it was like, it just wasn't loud
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enough. But I like it wasn't subtle
enough that I had noticed it, but there was just so much noise
around it that I went against itsomewhat unconsciously.
And then whenever it the thing revealed itself and its truth,
that's one of those moments where you're just like, fuck, I
knew. I knew that I I should have
trusted myself because I thoughtit in the moment, but I just it
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was a fleeting feeling that I didn't allow to fully be felt.
It was like that unseen kind of element that we're we're
speaking to a little bit. And I definitely try to tune
into that sense a lot more whereit's like, am I grounded enough
to actually like give enough time and also recognize like,
what is my true reaction to this?
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Like what is my true nature to this?
Like my gut feeling? Or if we're going into like
human design, like what is my sacral definition of this?
Like, is it a yes or a kind of situation if you're familiar
with that? So for me, if I'm not listening
to that, I kind of default to a little bit more of the external.
And often times it doesn't work out well.
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To answer the question, usually I'm, I'm either disappointed or
I'm kind of like, shit, you know, I, I should have known
better. I should have listened to
myself, you know, without being too self deprecating.
I kind of have that reflective moment of like, why didn't I
listen to myself? So I know I don't have a
specific example, but it's happened enough times, you know,
(09:09):
probably like once a month, I'd say at a minimum, which is
probably not even that often if you put it into context, but
often enough that I think about it to the point whenever these
moments come up, I hope that I'mgrounded enough to be able to be
like, I need to listen to that deeper truth, even if it doesn't
feel logically in the moment or linearly making sense, but to
(09:30):
trust that feeling. And I think you do a pretty good
job of that. You kind of trust your intuition
pretty well, yeah. Just thought I'd mention that.
But anyway, you can answer in your own way if you have
something. To say that, I mean, I also
couldn't go with a specific example.
I was sitting here like hybrid listening and a hybrid like
scanning my experiences being like, when did that backfire or
(09:51):
regret it or something like that.
But what comes to mind is when informing other people is
something that I'm really big onis as a manifesto back to human
design. And I'm a splenic authority,
which means I'm not supposed to think too much.
It's beyond intuition. If if this is something that's
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real, then I'm not even supposedto like give my intuition a
moment to do anything. I'm just supposed to do it.
And that's the quickest decisionmaker out there.
I relate to that a lot. But when it comes to sometimes
what I do is I, I like, I get inmy head and I think people
already know things. I just assume they already know
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things because I know something.And then I have to remind
myself, like I got to educate this person, I got to inform
them. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
But if I don't inform them, thiscould happen.
Let's say they don't know the thing I'm telling them, then the
possibility exists that the thing will happen.
And then that's a regrettable thing that happens all the time
to me. So I'm constantly like telling
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people things. And I know oftentimes it's
unimportant because they may already know these things.
They're like, why is he telling me these things?
It's because of the backfiring things that have happened
throughout my life. And some of it's like, Oh my
gosh, there's a there's a glass on the edge of the table.
And they may not know that. Did you know there's a glass at
the edge of the table? And they're like, yeah, I knew
that. I'm like, well, if I didn't say
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anything, 10 minutes later, somebody's knocking that glass
off, it's shattering. And I'm going to be like, damn
it, I could have kept that from happening.
So some of it's like that, that danger type of energy, but some
of it's more when you're puttinglike a, you know, a schedule
together and you're creating like a, a business and a yoga
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studio and you're thinking aboutall the ifs, ands and buts, the
possibilities, the flow of a schedule.
What would work best here? What would work best there?
There's it seems like there's anunlimited amounts of information
that you could, I could at leastput out there to help people see
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that like that might not be a good decision, right.
And that might be why you say I don't have, I have some whatever
you said, like I trust my intuition pretty well.
Yeah, I, I do. I I'm not afraid to point out in
a group of people where I'm the only person who thinks a certain
way. I'm not afraid to tell people
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what I think. Yeah, in my mind, you know, in
my system, I just go into this like, what's the worst that can
happen? They're going to dislike me for
5 minutes. And I'm going to come from a
place of humility and integrity.I'm going to try to at least.
And I'm also going to come from a place that might be
confrontational because that's what some vibrations require in
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order to shift them. So the people won't listen to
you if you're too passive, for example, some people will you
like, depending on the vibration, if you are passive,
that might be the actual way to be listened to.
Whereas others that might not work.
You might have to actually activate them to be listened to,
which means you match their energy.
It's not about what your words are, it's about how you say
those words. And so I'm very conscious of
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that. And so sometimes I can be a
little blunt. Yeah.
And I can be a little bit sharp.Yeah.
And, and at the end of the day, I think everybody respects it.
And occasionally it goes not so well, but often times it sheds
light on something that effects change and at least
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reconsideration of truth and possibility.
Right. Yeah.
So as you were talking, I thought a little bit about an
example of something that I don't necessarily see you do too
often, but I'm, I'm sure the audience can have their own
example of this. But like whenever someone asks
you of something or to do something, or hey, let's go for
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dinner or hey, let's get together this day or let's do
this thing. And it's kind of relating to
boundaries to some degree where you're like, oh, like I do want
to meet up with this person or Ido want to, it's important that
I, I talk to this person. Or it's important that I
maintain this relationship, or it's important that I, I haven't
seen this person in a while, or this is a work related thing, or
I need to impress this person orwhatever the IT might be.
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But deep down you're just like, I've had such a long day, I'm
tired and I don't want to do it.Like I truly don't want to do
it. The truth is I don't want to do
it. But what I'm going to say is,
yeah, I could probably make thatwork or something to that
effect. And that being a little bit more
of that. Call it intuition, call it
truth, call it that unseen energetic component that whether
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it's being listened to or not, and it's related to the
boundaries aspect is speaking upinto the physical world as a
manifestation of your truth inside.
And that's something that I can relate to on a more recent basis
just because there's, I'm alwaysbeing asked to do things.
And sometimes I'm, I'm obliging or I'm saying yes, because it's
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either work related or I need todo this because it's a, there's
a deadline or something like that.
Or someone can only be seen as alike a physiotherapy client can
only be seen on a certain day. And in my head I'm like, oh, I
really, you know, if that's the only day they can be seen, I
guess I got to help them out. But meanwhile, I'm like, it's a
Saturday. I don't want to do that on a
Saturday, for example. Yeah, I don't really see you
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doing that. Oh yeah, like, like saying I'm
going to do something. Yeah, like, well, I think I've
just tuned into social situations or gatherings where
someone will ask you, hey, does anybody want to do this thing or
does anybody want to do this? And you never really or if
they're asking you directly, you're never like obliging.
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I don't see feel obliging energyfrom you.
It's always just like, no, I'm not going to do that or no, I'm
not interested in that. Like it's straight out the like
you react, you respond very quickly on the truth versus for
me and maybe some people can relate to this and I am sacral
defined. So I do have this like intuitive
sense that if I listen to it, ifthe answer's there immediately,
I don't have to ride a wave of emotion or anything like that.
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But if I'm not listening to it, then it could be missed.
And that's kind of what I'm getting at for me is if someone
asked me to do that thing and I don't actually take a moment to
be like, do I really want to do that?
If I don't ask myself the question, do I really want to do
that, then I might just agree orsay yes.
For example, yeah, I would say I, I, you know, depending on
what The thing is like, it couldbe somebody that I'm, I'm like
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this is, this is an opportunity here I really need to, to take
advantage of regardless of my fatigue levels.
I just know if that's a thing I got, I got to do and I'll just
even if I'm tired like that tiredness, tiredness will never
get in the way of, of something that I really need to do.
If it's something that can wait or it has like a, you know, it
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can wait. Yeah, just I can postpone it.
It could be a few days later or is it really is it?
It could just be a like a whatever thing to time is
precious. I think the busier we get, it's
like you got to discern where tospend your time, spend it
intentionally. And yeah, I mean, I'm not all
work, work, work business. Like I'll let's let's reserve a
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time to shoot the shit, you know, like that's important for
me. Like if I don't get some sort of
bro time in or something, like, I don't know, like that'll drive
me nuts as well. Like that's a yes as well
sometimes or no. But yeah, that's interesting
observation. I, I think I've cultivated that
over time. That is not something that I
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maybe knew myself well enough toreally know how to do that for a
long time. I don't know, actually, to be
honest, it's hard to say. Like, when did I even start
being like that? Probably just by knowing myself.
Probably doing it more often that it becomes almost like a
like a muscle of you just know how to like respond in these
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situations. Just kind of like, you know, can
be conditioned behavior that if you are agreeable, you know, I'm
sure you know some people I'm talking to you, Byron, but also
just people who are listening that that person is just so
agreeable and everything. And they're oh, they're so kind
and they're so nice and yes, andeverything you if you ask
something of them, they'll just be like, yeah, here's my shirt.
Of course, absolutely. You know, like, you know, I
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think of a few people really close to me actually like family
members back home and I'm just like, I feel for them 'cause I'm
like, I just know deep down theydon't want to do those things,
but they do them all the time anyway, 'cause there could be
many reasons why I have insecurities of wanting to be
liked, whatever. That doesn't really matter at
this point. But the whole, the whole point
of this conversation is to talk about that unseen truth.
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Yeah, like where did all this come from?
I think that's an interesting conversation for the viewers.
What would you like for the listeners?
What would you like to reveal tothem?
We chose this subject because why?
Well, we were kind of dialing into different elements that are
related to Bolognese traditions.As you guys know, we've we're,
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we're in the space of this studio opening and one of the
elements that we wanted to infuse is just connection to
Bolognese culture. And naming the studios was a big
part of it. In fact, I asked one of the
teachers about it, who was Kimberly, who was actually half
Balonese and she kind of gave some insight on to it.
And we've been kind of going back and forth and we settled on
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2 names. Which are Sikala and Niskala?
Sikala and Niskala which in a simple definition mean what?
Seen and unseen. Correct.
Seen and unseen. So based off of the questions
that we've begun been going through over the last like 1520
minutes is very much just related to what is that unseen
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element that's going on. So we're talking about thoughts,
we're talking about feelings, we're talking about intuition,
guttural feelings, these types of elements.
It doesn't just necessarily stopthere.
Spiritual realm. Spiritual.
It's the Niskala. It's the, it's the unseen, the
things that are not tangible, they're not physical, they're
not of this realm or dimension. So I think of a
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three-dimensional world. We have a table in front of us.
We have cameras set up here. We have a microphone.
I can touch it, I can tap it. You know, like all of this is
very much this dimension, this world.
That's what they call Sikala. Sikala Niscala would be what you
can't see. You can't see my thoughts.
You can't see. Spirituality, some people might
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say they see spirits, emotions, things like this manifestation
realm. So for those of you who don't
know much about Baloney's culture and and maybe you're
tuning into this podcast for thefirst time, we are opening a
studio very soon, probably be open by the time this is
listened to and we have quite a project going on.
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And there's two major Shalas or studios that are quite big.
And we wanted, we keep on playing with ideas of how to
really honor the Balonese culture and lineage.
They have so much depth. It's part of the reason people
come to Bali, you guys is because they feel held and they
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feel safe in this culture. It's a very homogeneous culture.
And I say homogeneous because there's a routine here.
There's ceremonies all the time.There's every morning you go
outside, there's an offering of incense and rice and flowers
that a Bolognese woman has diligently and over and over
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again every week created. And it's part of their culture.
And we are here, let's say, enjoying and feeling a certain
way about it. And so many people come here
and, and, and they experience itand they're like, wow.
I didn't understand really what Bali was about until I was here.
And I immersed myself in the culture somewhat.
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So it's not just because it's beautiful rice fields and
there's oceans here. I mean, that's there's a lot of
places with oceans and rice fields.
It's because of the culture dynamic.
So our best attempt here at honoring where we are in this
beautiful yoga studio and restaurant and recovery center,
Rejuvenation Temple, we thought that might be a good place to
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start is the 2 Studios. So upstairs will be called
Niskala. The unseen upstairs is the what
we're calling the daily practiceroom.
Downstairs will be Sikala. So downstairs like the ground
level, what you can feel, the roots, the earth, the physical
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touch it, you can mold it. But then upstairs is like where
the spirituality takes place, and that's where we're going to
start. And the Bolognese see these two
elements as equal need of tending.
They both need to be addressed in life.
So then my question is actually to the to the audience is like,
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how much do you tend the scene versus the unseen?
So how much do we tend to the physical appearance or the
external elements around me, themoney, the house, the, you know,
all these things versus the unseen, which could be the
feeling, could be the intuition.So like if you're watering the
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flower, would the watering the flower be the scene and then
maybe the feeling of. Yeah, the intention, the love.
There's the intention, that's the the unseen.
Sure. Go to cooking.
When you're cooking, are you just, is it transactional
cooking? I'm following a recipe and doing
this thing or am I loving what I'm doing?
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Am I putting infusing joy into this?
And like think about that home cooked meal or that Italian food
that just has this infused like so delicious, so tasty.
And it's like, why is it? Is it the ingredients that are
different? Maybe.
But there's this other unseen element that is just, it's hard
to really pinpoint. And I think that has a lot to do
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with it. And there's been studies about
like music and vibrations, which, you know, those could be
arguably seen and unseen to somedegree.
Vibrations, you know, might not necessarily be physically seen,
but they can be felt or at leastlike processed through your
senses of hearing. But that has an influence on
like the growth of plants, you know, for example.
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So you know, if you're having, if you're speaking kindly to
your plant or if you're feeling intentionally kind to your
plant, it will will grow and change in a different way and
the versus just watering it every day with like heat, you
know? Well, it makes me think of yoga
poses as well. And also so I don't forget the
other thing it made me think of.It makes me think of all of the
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hard work or behind the scenes effort that goes into something
before the actual presentation or The thing is is put forth
into the real world where it's experienced by others.
So from a yoga perspective and like the yoga poses, like when
you know from that perspective, it's like the poses, how it
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feels in the pose as you bend your knee and feel your muscle
engage and war your one. And you push the outer edge of
your back foot against the ground and you draw your lower
belly up and you lift your chestup and you may look up and reach
through your fingertips. You can feel all that, you can
see it, but where's the breath? You know, the breath in there is
unseen. You know, you feel the posture,
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you cultivate A richer sense of awareness throughout the
posture. And even right there you have a
balance happening. And then going kind of a back to
the other thing I mentioned, it's like all of that hard work
that The Beatles put in the unseen education or songwriting
that takes place within the creative space in their minds
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and hearts. And, you know, not just them,
but you could, you could put this on anybody who's really
become a master of what they do.Somebody who might have, you
know, have a PhD in something or, you know, you went to school
for physical therapy. I'm sure that required a ton of
school. And you put all this like effort
in and a lot of it's not physical, you know, like you're
absorbing information through focus, through a different, a
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different thing. And then it comes out as this
like amazing product of of mastery in some sort.
You didn't really mention this, at least you said the first
part, which is the upstairs is going to be mostly dedicated to
classes in the downstairs to call is going to be mostly for
trainings, kind of dialing a little bit more that focus, that
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tangible kind of like, you know,here's whatever learning poses
or something to that effect. And that's ultimately kind of
how we landed on those two. But I think just bringing it
back to like outside of the physical space of the studio is
the connection to the Bolognese and the balance between the two.
And, and just that self reflective question of like, you
know, I think a lot of us try totend to both, but I think
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naturally we always tend to leantowards the scene because it's
usually right in front of us, right?
Versus taking the time to actually become aware or allow
our awareness to focus in on theunseen and giving it recognition
or giving it even space to existor to be tended to, to
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cultivate, to nurture and knowing that both of them are
necessary. And that's exactly what the
Bolognese talk about is that they're they're necessary of
each other. So most of us are only managing
one of them is kind of how it's described, but both require
tending. They don't treat one as more
real than the other in the Bolognese culture.
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They are opposites, but at the same time, they're both
necessary. So I think that's kind of why I
like it is, you know, for the studio, they're both necessary
spaces for different reasons. But then also just thinking it
from an interpersonal perspective or an in like a
personal perspective, excuse me,is just kind of that self
reflective thought of yeah. What does that mean for me?
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You know, we gave some questionsat the beginning to like reflect
on that with intuition and unseen and all that stuff.
But yeah, I think it's a, it's acool concept to kind of dive
into. Even if you're wondering like
what you should wear to go out to dinner, you're like, hey,
what should I wear? Should I wear this shirt or
should I wear that shirt? Or like, should I, should I wear
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these pants or these pants? You know, it's like, what's the
answer? You know, because we all have, I
think pretty sure at least I've asked many times, like what
looks better? Because we're always like
thinking about how to see. What does it look like to in the
the Sikala realm, the scene realm, when the truth is it's
the Neskala realm, the unseen that matters there.
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How do you feel in it? Which one do you like the best?
Right. And then just by you saying what
you liked better, it makes me feel better and I'm like, oh, if
they like it, maybe I like it too.
And then the unseen realm gets tended to a little bit more.
Wouldn't it be amazing to to just really trust that on all
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levels all the time? That'd be nice.
That'd be nice, but it's also kind of fun have.
You Have you ever worn high heels?
Probably. I think I as a dressed up as a
girl for Halloween when I was younger.
But did I wear heels? I don't remember.
I. Probably tried them on once to
just like see what it's like to walk around and I kind of have
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this very, very like brief memory that's just, it's
impossible. Like it didn't last very long,
right? Yeah, the reason why I asked
that is because you made me think of it when you said the
clothes example, because like, Idon't wear high heels.
I might have done the same as you just responded.
Like I might have worn the ones just as like see what they feel
like. Granted, I probably couldn't
find a pair that actually fit myfeet.
Seriously. But then I also think like, why
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do people wear high heels? They're definitely not fucking
comfortable, right? You know what I mean, right?
There's something about it increases your height, you know.
Interior. Tell maybe, maybe there's an
element that it makes me feel sexy or, you know, it does
something and you know, sure. So that's true.
That's a good point. So just you know.
I wear a hat sometimes, not because of the way it looks,
because I feel like, I don't know, I just feel like a
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different kind of energy. Right, so there's no right or
wrong answer behind these, you know, these examples, we're just
going to it's it's just kind of like the Yamas and the Yamas,
they're not rules, they're just they're I.
Like where it's going, you know,I think that there's more, more
juicy stuff that we could probably get into on future
podcasts relating it to the Balanese traditions and with our
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studio. And, again, a culture that it's
already been mapped out for thousands of years.
And they've been doing this on ahomogeneous level and, you know,
to educate people on something so beautiful, regardless of
religion, too. We're not trying to tie this
into religion. Seen and unseen doesn't have to
be looked at religiously. This is more about relatability
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to humans. And no matter what faith you,
you are in, and there's probably, I'm sure somebody out
there is listening to this and they're like, oh wow, that could
reference this, this in Christianity or in, you know,
Islam. You know, there's probably
things like this and other textsas well that I'm just not aware
of. But yeah, it's super
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fascinating. It's, it's fun.
It's fun to grow, it's fun to learn.
It's it's fun to be immersed into a culture that you
literally are eat, drinking, eating, drinking and breathing
in every. Day and ultimately it's talking
about what's happening on the surface of life versus what's
actually happening on the inside.
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So for ourselves, we can talk about that.
But then if we think about it interpersonally now you know
what we see with other people that's not always the story
right? There's there's always things
going on that we don't see the unseen.
We don't know people's backgrounds.
We don't know why they're being difficult today.
We don't know why they're happy.You know, if we were to go to
the contrast and that unseen element is like, are we tending
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to that for other people as wellor not even tending it?
But are we acknowledging that there is a truth there, or are
we only acknowledging what we are seeing in front of us is
that this person is difficult orthis person is super happy?
And it's kind of like why, You know, Like, it's so weird and
different, but like, there's some underlying reasons for
everything. And I think that's an important
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element to incorporate not just in our own personal life, but
just also to use as a way of building compassion and empathy
for those around us, which makesus just better humans and
compassion. Yeah, very.
Compassionate. Anything that builds empathy,
I'm all for it. Even though I did kind of come
across somebody the other day that was basically saying it was
a waste of time to be compassionate and empathetic and
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interesting. Yeah, it was.
How did that go? It was just someone who was so
in delusional that, you know, they're, they wanted to create,
you know, they were so buying into their own narrative to
support the way that they are. And they were trying to call
like self reflection, which would be an unseen thing,
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unnatural. And it was one of those guys who
was like very kind of like an Andrew Tate type figure.
And on these guys who are just like, you know, trying to change
the world with their aggressive.I don't even know what to call
that energy, honestly, but whatever, some people will know
what I'm talking about. Just Google him.
Andrew Tate. Very linear, very logical.
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What's in front of me? What's in for going forward?
There's never going back. It's always just moving forward
and moving forward and moving forward.
What's the point of self deflection?
Doesn't help anything. It's a waste of time.
It's it's hurtful. Society would be better if we
all just operated like this, which, yeah, I just think it's
crazy considering if you look atthe actual history of, of
mankind and humankind and womankind and, and the way
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people have actually benefited and turned their lives around
and healed themselves. There's a lot of, there's a lot
of evidence that self reflection, the unseen realm is
where it happens, right? You know, but what society or
what most of the world puts value on the most is the scene.
At least a lot of societies, unfortunately.
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Yeah, not all people are. Listening to from the Western
world. The Western ones, yeah.
Value and that's what that's where you can get caught up in
the trap, is that if you are following the narratives or
you're following what is being given value to, then you're
probably focusing on maybe unconsciously or unaware of the
scene of the physical world, of the things that are right in
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front of you. But in certain cultures like the
Bolognese, they give value to both and therefore there's more
balance. Well, I think that's it.
Any final thoughts before we wrap it up?
C here. C or NC?
I'm a seer. I'm a seer, not AC here.
I think that's it. I think that's it, yeah.
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Hello and welcome back to the InMovement podcast.
I'm your host, or one of your hosts, Michael Henry, and also
the other host here. Byron de Marseille.
Byron in the house. So today we've discussed quite a
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bit about what we're going to talk about, and we're probably
not going to necessarily jump into it specifically yet.
Instead, I'm going to start off by asking you, Byron, a
question. You can ask me a question, many
questions, if you want. Can I ask you a question?
Of course. How do I turn this up so I can
hear it a little bit louder? There's a little green button
down over there, can you just turn that to the right?
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Oh, wow. Oh, goodness.
Wow. Yeah, I, I, I love hearing
myself speak so. Great.
Well, I'm about to ask you a question so you'll hear more of
it. OK, OK, I'm kidding if this is
your first time. I mean, I I do and I don't.
It's the scene and the unseen of, you know, hearing and not
hearing that's leading into the topic of the day.
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Yep. So as we move towards that
direction, my question for you, Byron, is what's invisible in
your life right now that's quietly running everything.
Is that a Riddle? Nope, no.
What is invisible in my life that is currently running?
Quietly. Running everything.
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Quietly running everything invisible.
Well, I would have to say the first thing that comes to mind,
ironically, is thought. Also feeling.
And yeah, I think those are the main things.
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Thoughts, feelings, dreams, potential ideas.
What's your thoughts? So yeah, let's just lean into
that a little bit more because Ithink, I think if I go deeper,
it might just be the same thing in a different way.
So based off of those things, we're stick with thoughts or you
know, the other things as you'removing through your life, your
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day-to-day and decisions and experiences and things like
that. How are those thoughts
influencing your actions decisions?
On the ethereal plane. So the ethereal plane, meaning
where space, the ever pervading space, which is nothingness, is
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merging into movement, it's becoming something, but before
it is something, there's a transition into becoming
something. And that element is what we call
ether. So thoughts exist on that plane,
much like in yoga, how we talk about prana exists on that plane
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as well. Prana values.
Some people may have studied yoga that listened to this
podcast, I'm sure. If not, that means the winds of
energy. So you have different subtle
energy moving different directions all the time
throughout your body specifically is that that's what
that refers to is like within your your Physiology and it's
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affecting your systems and your thought processes and your
ability to let go. It's your actual the cycles of,
you know, like actually like defecating and urinating and all
the things that are super fun toto bring up on the 1st 5 minutes
of a podcast. But back to the subject, the
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lecture at hand, manifestation is on that realm as well.
And manifestation comes from thethought and the feeling space of
basically putting yourself in the position as as if, as if
it's already taking place that that's just to keep it on like
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one O 1 manifestation could probably go deeper.
Yeah. So that's my answer.
Here's a follow up question thatmight help.
How much energy do you spend on how you look versus how you
actually feel inside? Look versus feel, it's not like
I'm keeping track or I don't have a, an Apple Watch or some
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device that's keeping track of that.
But I'm personally way more involved with the process of how
I feel. And but that's, that's been a,
a, a long 10 year lifelong dedication to, to that, to that
profession of, of yoga, which isoften times associated with your
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inner state of being, not being tossed around by your external
environment and just kind of flailing in the wind, as you
might say, having some sort of control over your inner state.
So to me, I'm, I'm always considering that.
I'm not saying that peace and tranquility are always my
default vibration. I like to live on the edge.
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I, I think stress is something we get used to as well.
And especially, like, with the lifestyles and social like,
yeah, just whatever you have going on in your life, your
lifestyle may require you to be really stressed because you're
opening a business. That's what I'm doing.
You have responsibilities all over the place, and you kind of
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get excited by stress. I may not necessarily try to
master just, you know, if I wanted to just feel peace and
tranquility all the time, I'd probably just become a monk and
reduce all the temptation around.
Something about me chooses to live here.
I love it. And I want that, you know, it's
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like a little bit of a roller coaster, but not too far, right?
Because then it gets to be overwhelming.
And then you got to do whatever you got to do to get back into
that state of closer to what we call balance, which means you
might have to isolate yourself or, you know, take a vacation.
Are those things. How's that?
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Yeah. Do you want to ask me a question
or do you want me to keep going?OK.
Knowing where we're kind of going and you know, obviously I
asked you 2 questions already and.
Yeah, well, whether the listeneryou have questions in front of
you. Yeah, mine are going to come
just from my my brain. I guess they're going to come
from the. Ether I mean I can ask myself
one of the questions. Yeah, maybe do that.
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Maybe we can both answer and maybe that's the better way to
go. OK, but I'll answer first.
But the next question that I wasthinking was when did you ignore
your gut and what did it cost you?
So when did I ignore my gut and when did it cost me?
And I can say lots of times I'veignored my gut actually.
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And that's probably one of my practices that I've been
focusing on more over the last several years is to trust my
gut, trust my intuition, trust that deeper knowing as opposed
to letting other things influence it, which is hard,
hard sometimes. And there's been times where
I've like had a gut feeling and it was like, it just wasn't loud
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enough. But I like it wasn't subtle
enough that I had noticed it, but there was just so much noise
around it that I went against itsomewhat unconsciously.
And then whenever it the thing revealed itself and its truth,
that's one of those moments where you're just like, fuck, I
knew. I knew that I I should have
trusted myself because I thoughtit in the moment, but I just it
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was a fleeting feeling that I didn't allow to fully be felt.
It was like that unseen kind of element that we're we're
speaking to a little bit. And I definitely try to tune
into that sense a lot more whereit's like, am I grounded enough
to actually like give enough time and also recognize like,
what is my true reaction to this?
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Like what is my true nature to this?
Like my gut feeling? Or if we're going into like
human design, like what is my sacral definition of this?
Like, is it a yes or a kind of situation if you're familiar
with that? So for me, if I'm not listening
to that, I kind of default to a little bit more of the external.
And often times it doesn't work out well.
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To answer the question, usually I'm, I'm either disappointed or
I'm kind of like, shit, you know, I, I should have known
better. I should have listened to
myself, you know, without being too self deprecating.
I kind of have that reflective moment of like, why didn't I
listen to myself? So I know I don't have a
specific example, but it's happened enough times, you know,
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probably like once a month, I'd say at a minimum, which is
probably not even that often if you put it into context, but
often enough that I think about it to the point whenever these
moments come up, I hope that I'mgrounded enough to be able to be
like, I need to listen to that deeper truth, even if it doesn't
feel logically in the moment or linearly making sense, but to
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trust that feeling. And I think you do a pretty good
job of that. You kind of trust your intuition
pretty well, yeah. Just thought I'd mention that.
But anyway, you can answer in your own way if you have
something. To say that, I mean, I also
couldn't go with a specific example.
I was sitting here like hybrid listening and a hybrid like
scanning my experiences being like, when did that backfire or
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regret it or something like that.
But what comes to mind is when informing other people is
something that I'm really big onis as a manifesto back to human
design. And I'm a splenic authority,
which means I'm not supposed to think too much.
It's beyond intuition. If if this is something that's
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real, then I'm not even supposedto like give my intuition a
moment to do anything. I'm just supposed to do it.
And that's the quickest decisionmaker out there.
I relate to that a lot. But when it comes to sometimes
what I do is I, I like, I get inmy head and I think people
already know things. I just assume they already know
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things because I know something.And then I have to remind
myself, like I got to educate this person, I got to inform
them. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.
But if I don't inform them, thiscould happen.
Let's say they don't know the thing I'm telling them, then the
possibility exists that the thing will happen.
And then that's a regrettable thing that happens all the time
to me. So I'm constantly like telling
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people things. And I know oftentimes it's
unimportant because they may already know these things.
They're like, why is he telling me these things?
It's because of the backfiring things that have happened
throughout my life. And some of it's like, Oh my
gosh, there's a there's a glass on the edge of the table.
And they may not know that. Did you know there's a glass at
the edge of the table? And they're like, yeah, I knew
that. I'm like, well, if I didn't say
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anything, 10 minutes later, somebody's knocking that glass
off, it's shattering. And I'm going to be like, damn
it, I could have kept that from happening.
So some of it's like that, that danger type of energy, but some
of it's more when you're puttinglike a, you know, a schedule
together and you're creating like a, a business and a yoga
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studio and you're thinking aboutall the ifs, ands and buts, the
possibilities, the flow of a schedule.
What would work best here? What would work best there?
There's it seems like there's anunlimited amounts of information
that you could, I could at leastput out there to help people see
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that like that might not be a good decision, right.
And that might be why you say I don't have, I have some whatever
you said, like I trust my intuition pretty well.
Yeah, I, I do. I I'm not afraid to point out in
a group of people where I'm the only person who thinks a certain
way. I'm not afraid to tell people
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what I think. Yeah, in my mind, you know, in
my system, I just go into this like, what's the worst that can
happen? They're going to dislike me for
5 minutes. And I'm going to come from a
place of humility and integrity.I'm going to try to at least.
And I'm also going to come from a place that might be
confrontational because that's what some vibrations require in
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order to shift them. So the people won't listen to
you if you're too passive, for example, some people will you
like, depending on the vibration, if you are passive,
that might be the actual way to be listened to.
Whereas others that might not work.
You might have to actually activate them to be listened to,
which means you match their energy.
It's not about what your words are, it's about how you say
those words. And so I'm very conscious of
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that. And so sometimes I can be a
little blunt. Yeah.
And I can be a little bit sharp.Yeah.
And, and at the end of the day, I think everybody respects it.
And occasionally it goes not so well, but often times it sheds
light on something that effects change and at least
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reconsideration of truth and possibility.
Right. Yeah.
So as you were talking, I thought a little bit about an
example of something that I don't necessarily see you do too
often, but I'm, I'm sure the audience can have their own
example of this. But like whenever someone asks
you of something or to do something, or hey, let's go for
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dinner or hey, let's get together this day or let's do
this thing. And it's kind of relating to
boundaries to some degree where you're like, oh, like I do want
to meet up with this person or Ido want to, it's important that
I, I talk to this person. Or it's important that I
maintain this relationship, or it's important that I, I haven't
seen this person in a while, or this is a work related thing, or
I need to impress this person orwhatever the IT might be.
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But deep down you're just like, I've had such a long day, I'm
tired and I don't want to do it.Like I truly don't want to do
it. The truth is I don't want to do
it. But what I'm going to say is,
yeah, I could probably make thatwork or something to that
effect. And that being a little bit more
of that. Call it intuition, call it
truth, call it that unseen energetic component that whether
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it's being listened to or not, and it's related to the
boundaries aspect is speaking upinto the physical world as a
manifestation of your truth inside.
And that's something that I can relate to on a more recent basis
just because there's, I'm alwaysbeing asked to do things.
And sometimes I'm, I'm obliging or I'm saying yes, because it's
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either work related or I need todo this because it's a, there's
a deadline or something like that.
Or someone can only be seen as alike a physiotherapy client can
only be seen on a certain day. And in my head I'm like, oh, I
really, you know, if that's the only day they can be seen, I
guess I got to help them out. But meanwhile, I'm like, it's a
Saturday. I don't want to do that on a
Saturday, for example. Yeah, I don't really see you
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doing that. Oh yeah, like, like saying I'm
going to do something. Yeah, like, well, I think I've
just tuned into social situations or gatherings where
someone will ask you, hey, does anybody want to do this thing or
does anybody want to do this? And you never really or if
they're asking you directly, you're never like obliging.
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I don't see feel obliging energyfrom you.
It's always just like, no, I'm not going to do that or no, I'm
not interested in that. Like it's straight out the like
you react, you respond very quickly on the truth versus for
me and maybe some people can relate to this and I am sacral
defined. So I do have this like intuitive
sense that if I listen to it, ifthe answer's there immediately,
I don't have to ride a wave of emotion or anything like that.
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But if I'm not listening to it, then it could be missed.
And that's kind of what I'm getting at for me is if someone
asked me to do that thing and I don't actually take a moment to
be like, do I really want to do that?
If I don't ask myself the question, do I really want to do
that, then I might just agree orsay yes.
For example, yeah, I would say I, I, you know, depending on
what The thing is like, it couldbe somebody that I'm, I'm like
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this is, this is an opportunity here I really need to, to take
advantage of regardless of my fatigue levels.
I just know if that's a thing I got, I got to do and I'll just
even if I'm tired like that tiredness, tiredness will never
get in the way of, of something that I really need to do.
If it's something that can wait or it has like a, you know, it
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can wait. Yeah, just I can postpone it.
It could be a few days later or is it really is it?
It could just be a like a whatever thing to time is
precious. I think the busier we get, it's
like you got to discern where tospend your time, spend it
intentionally. And yeah, I mean, I'm not all
work, work, work business. Like I'll let's let's reserve a
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time to shoot the shit, you know, like that's important for
me. Like if I don't get some sort of
bro time in or something, like, I don't know, like that'll drive
me nuts as well. Like that's a yes as well
sometimes or no. But yeah, that's interesting
observation. I, I think I've cultivated that
over time. That is not something that I
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maybe knew myself well enough toreally know how to do that for a
long time. I don't know, actually, to be
honest, it's hard to say. Like, when did I even start
being like that? Probably just by knowing myself.
Probably doing it more often that it becomes almost like a
like a muscle of you just know how to like respond in these
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situations. Just kind of like, you know, can
be conditioned behavior that if you are agreeable, you know, I'm
sure you know some people I'm talking to you, Byron, but also
just people who are listening that that person is just so
agreeable and everything. And they're oh, they're so kind
and they're so nice and yes, andeverything you if you ask
something of them, they'll just be like, yeah, here's my shirt.
Of course, absolutely. You know, like, you know, I
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think of a few people really close to me actually like family
members back home and I'm just like, I feel for them 'cause I'm
like, I just know deep down theydon't want to do those things,
but they do them all the time anyway, 'cause there could be
many reasons why I have insecurities of wanting to be
liked, whatever. That doesn't really matter at
this point. But the whole, the whole point
of this conversation is to talk about that unseen truth.
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Yeah, like where did all this come from?
I think that's an interesting conversation for the viewers.
What would you like for the listeners?
What would you like to reveal tothem?
We chose this subject because why?
Well, we were kind of dialing into different elements that are
related to Bolognese traditions.As you guys know, we've we're,
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we're in the space of this studio opening and one of the
elements that we wanted to infuse is just connection to
Bolognese culture. And naming the studios was a big
part of it. In fact, I asked one of the
teachers about it, who was Kimberly, who was actually half
Balonese and she kind of gave some insight on to it.
And we've been kind of going back and forth and we settled on
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2 names. Which are Sikala and Niskala?
Sikala and Niskala which in a simple definition mean what?
Seen and unseen. Correct.
Seen and unseen. So based off of the questions
that we've begun been going through over the last like 1520
minutes is very much just related to what is that unseen
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element that's going on. So we're talking about thoughts,
we're talking about feelings, we're talking about intuition,
guttural feelings, these types of elements.
It doesn't just necessarily stopthere.
Spiritual realm. Spiritual.
It's the Niskala. It's the, it's the unseen, the
things that are not tangible, they're not physical, they're
not of this realm or dimension. So I think of a
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three-dimensional world. We have a table in front of us.
We have cameras set up here. We have a microphone.
I can touch it, I can tap it. You know, like all of this is
very much this dimension, this world.
That's what they call Sikala. Sikala Niscala would be what you
can't see. You can't see my thoughts.
You can't see. Spirituality, some people might
(20:23):
say they see spirits, emotions, things like this manifestation
realm. So for those of you who don't
know much about Baloney's culture and and maybe you're
tuning into this podcast for thefirst time, we are opening a
studio very soon, probably be open by the time this is
listened to and we have quite a project going on.
(20:44):
And there's two major Shalas or studios that are quite big.
And we wanted, we keep on playing with ideas of how to
really honor the Balonese culture and lineage.
They have so much depth. It's part of the reason people
come to Bali, you guys is because they feel held and they
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feel safe in this culture. It's a very homogeneous culture.
And I say homogeneous because there's a routine here.
There's ceremonies all the time.There's every morning you go
outside, there's an offering of incense and rice and flowers
that a Bolognese woman has diligently and over and over
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again every week created. And it's part of their culture.
And we are here, let's say, enjoying and feeling a certain
way about it. And so many people come here
and, and, and they experience itand they're like, wow.
I didn't understand really what Bali was about until I was here.
And I immersed myself in the culture somewhat.
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So it's not just because it's beautiful rice fields and
there's oceans here. I mean, that's there's a lot of
places with oceans and rice fields.
It's because of the culture dynamic.
So our best attempt here at honoring where we are in this
beautiful yoga studio and restaurant and recovery center,
Rejuvenation Temple, we thought that might be a good place to
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start is the 2 Studios. So upstairs will be called
Niskala. The unseen upstairs is the what
we're calling the daily practiceroom.
Downstairs will be Sikala. So downstairs like the ground
level, what you can feel, the roots, the earth, the physical
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touch it, you can mold it. But then upstairs is like where
the spirituality takes place, and that's where we're going to
start. And the Bolognese see these two
elements as equal need of tending.
They both need to be addressed in life.
So then my question is actually to the to the audience is like,
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how much do you tend the scene versus the unseen?
So how much do we tend to the physical appearance or the
external elements around me, themoney, the house, the, you know,
all these things versus the unseen, which could be the
feeling, could be the intuition.So like if you're watering the
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flower, would the watering the flower be the scene and then
maybe the feeling of. Yeah, the intention, the love.
There's the intention, that's the the unseen.
Sure. Go to cooking.
When you're cooking, are you just, is it transactional
cooking? I'm following a recipe and doing
this thing or am I loving what I'm doing?
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Am I putting infusing joy into this?
And like think about that home cooked meal or that Italian food
that just has this infused like so delicious, so tasty.
And it's like, why is it? Is it the ingredients that are
different? Maybe.
But there's this other unseen element that is just, it's hard
to really pinpoint. And I think that has a lot to do
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with it. And there's been studies about
like music and vibrations, which, you know, those could be
arguably seen and unseen to somedegree.
Vibrations, you know, might not necessarily be physically seen,
but they can be felt or at leastlike processed through your
senses of hearing. But that has an influence on
like the growth of plants, you know, for example.
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So you know, if you're having, if you're speaking kindly to
your plant or if you're feeling intentionally kind to your
plant, it will will grow and change in a different way and
the versus just watering it every day with like heat, you
know? Well, it makes me think of yoga
poses as well. And also so I don't forget the
other thing it made me think of.It makes me think of all of the
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hard work or behind the scenes effort that goes into something
before the actual presentation or The thing is is put forth
into the real world where it's experienced by others.
So from a yoga perspective and like the yoga poses, like when
you know from that perspective, it's like the poses, how it
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feels in the pose as you bend your knee and feel your muscle
engage and war your one. And you push the outer edge of
your back foot against the ground and you draw your lower
belly up and you lift your chestup and you may look up and reach
through your fingertips. You can feel all that, you can
see it, but where's the breath? You know, the breath in there is
unseen. You know, you feel the posture,
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you cultivate A richer sense of awareness throughout the
posture. And even right there you have a
balance happening. And then going kind of a back to
the other thing I mentioned, it's like all of that hard work
that The Beatles put in the unseen education or songwriting
that takes place within the creative space in their minds
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and hearts. And, you know, not just them,
but you could, you could put this on anybody who's really
become a master of what they do.Somebody who might have, you
know, have a PhD in something or, you know, you went to school
for physical therapy. I'm sure that required a ton of
school. And you put all this like effort
in and a lot of it's not physical, you know, like you're
absorbing information through focus, through a different, a
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different thing. And then it comes out as this
like amazing product of of mastery in some sort.
You didn't really mention this, at least you said the first
part, which is the upstairs is going to be mostly dedicated to
classes in the downstairs to call is going to be mostly for
trainings, kind of dialing a little bit more that focus, that
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tangible kind of like, you know,here's whatever learning poses
or something to that effect. And that's ultimately kind of
how we landed on those two. But I think just bringing it
back to like outside of the physical space of the studio is
the connection to the Bolognese and the balance between the two.
And, and just that self reflective question of like, you
know, I think a lot of us try totend to both, but I think
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naturally we always tend to leantowards the scene because it's
usually right in front of us, right?
Versus taking the time to actually become aware or allow
our awareness to focus in on theunseen and giving it recognition
or giving it even space to existor to be tended to, to
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cultivate, to nurture and knowing that both of them are
necessary. And that's exactly what the
Bolognese talk about is that they're they're necessary of
each other. So most of us are only managing
one of them is kind of how it's described, but both require
tending. They don't treat one as more
real than the other in the Bolognese culture.
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They are opposites, but at the same time, they're both
necessary. So I think that's kind of why I
like it is, you know, for the studio, they're both necessary
spaces for different reasons. But then also just thinking it
from an interpersonal perspective or an in like a
personal perspective, excuse me,is just kind of that self
reflective thought of yeah. What does that mean for me?
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You know, we gave some questionsat the beginning to like reflect
on that with intuition and unseen and all that stuff.
But yeah, I think it's a, it's acool concept to kind of dive
into. Even if you're wondering like
what you should wear to go out to dinner, you're like, hey,
what should I wear? Should I wear this shirt or
should I wear that shirt? Or like, should I, should I wear
(28:16):
these pants or these pants? You know, it's like, what's the
answer? You know, because we all have, I
think pretty sure at least I've asked many times, like what
looks better? Because we're always like
thinking about how to see. What does it look like to in the
the Sikala realm, the scene realm, when the truth is it's
the Neskala realm, the unseen that matters there.
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How do you feel in it? Which one do you like the best?
Right. And then just by you saying what
you liked better, it makes me feel better and I'm like, oh, if
they like it, maybe I like it too.
And then the unseen realm gets tended to a little bit more.
Wouldn't it be amazing to to just really trust that on all
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levels all the time? That'd be nice.
That'd be nice, but it's also kind of fun have.
You Have you ever worn high heels?
Probably. I think I as a dressed up as a
girl for Halloween when I was younger.
But did I wear heels? I don't remember.
I. Probably tried them on once to
just like see what it's like to walk around and I kind of have
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this very, very like brief memory that's just, it's
impossible. Like it didn't last very long,
right? Yeah, the reason why I asked
that is because you made me think of it when you said the
clothes example, because like, Idon't wear high heels.
I might have done the same as you just responded.
Like I might have worn the ones just as like see what they feel
like. Granted, I probably couldn't
find a pair that actually fit myfeet.
Seriously. But then I also think like, why
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do people wear high heels? They're definitely not fucking
comfortable, right? You know what I mean, right?
There's something about it increases your height, you know.
Interior. Tell maybe, maybe there's an
element that it makes me feel sexy or, you know, it does
something and you know, sure. So that's true.
That's a good point. So just you know.
I wear a hat sometimes, not because of the way it looks,
because I feel like, I don't know, I just feel like a
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different kind of energy. Right, so there's no right or
wrong answer behind these, you know, these examples, we're just
going to it's it's just kind of like the Yamas and the Yamas,
they're not rules, they're just they're I.
Like where it's going, you know,I think that there's more, more
juicy stuff that we could probably get into on future
podcasts relating it to the Balanese traditions and with our
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studio. And, again, a culture that it's
already been mapped out for thousands of years.
And they've been doing this on ahomogeneous level and, you know,
to educate people on something so beautiful, regardless of
religion, too. We're not trying to tie this
into religion. Seen and unseen doesn't have to
be looked at religiously. This is more about relatability
(30:52):
to humans. And no matter what faith you,
you are in, and there's probably, I'm sure somebody out
there is listening to this and they're like, oh wow, that could
reference this, this in Christianity or in, you know,
Islam. You know, there's probably
things like this and other textsas well that I'm just not aware
of. But yeah, it's super
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fascinating. It's, it's fun.
It's fun to grow, it's fun to learn.
It's it's fun to be immersed into a culture that you
literally are eat, drinking, eating, drinking and breathing
in every. Day and ultimately it's talking
about what's happening on the surface of life versus what's
actually happening on the inside.
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So for ourselves, we can talk about that.
But then if we think about it interpersonally now you know
what we see with other people that's not always the story
right? There's there's always things
going on that we don't see the unseen.
We don't know people's backgrounds.
We don't know why they're being difficult today.
We don't know why they're happy.You know, if we were to go to
the contrast and that unseen element is like, are we tending
(31:57):
to that for other people as wellor not even tending it?
But are we acknowledging that there is a truth there, or are
we only acknowledging what we are seeing in front of us is
that this person is difficult orthis person is super happy?
And it's kind of like why, You know, Like, it's so weird and
different, but like, there's some underlying reasons for
everything. And I think that's an important
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element to incorporate not just in our own personal life, but
just also to use as a way of building compassion and empathy
for those around us, which makesus just better humans and
compassion. Yeah, very.
Compassionate. Anything that builds empathy,
I'm all for it. Even though I did kind of come
across somebody the other day that was basically saying it was
a waste of time to be compassionate and empathetic and
(32:42):
interesting. Yeah, it was.
How did that go? It was just someone who was so
in delusional that, you know, they're, they wanted to create,
you know, they were so buying into their own narrative to
support the way that they are. And they were trying to call
like self reflection, which would be an unseen thing,
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unnatural. And it was one of those guys who
was like very kind of like an Andrew Tate type figure.
And on these guys who are just like, you know, trying to change
the world with their aggressive.I don't even know what to call
that energy, honestly, but whatever, some people will know
what I'm talking about. Just Google him.
Andrew Tate. Very linear, very logical.
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What's in front of me? What's in for going forward?
There's never going back. It's always just moving forward
and moving forward and moving forward.
What's the point of self deflection?
Doesn't help anything. It's a waste of time.
It's it's hurtful. Society would be better if we
all just operated like this, which, yeah, I just think it's
crazy considering if you look atthe actual history of, of
mankind and humankind and womankind and, and the way
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people have actually benefited and turned their lives around
and healed themselves. There's a lot of, there's a lot
of evidence that self reflection, the unseen realm is
where it happens, right? You know, but what society or
what most of the world puts value on the most is the scene.
At least a lot of societies, unfortunately.
(34:11):
Yeah, not all people are. Listening to from the Western
world. The Western ones, yeah.
Value and that's what that's where you can get caught up in
the trap, is that if you are following the narratives or
you're following what is being given value to, then you're
probably focusing on maybe unconsciously or unaware of the
scene of the physical world, of the things that are right in
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front of you. But in certain cultures like the
Bolognese, they give value to both and therefore there's more
balance. Well, I think that's it.
Any final thoughts before we wrap it up?
C here. C or NC?
I'm a seer. I'm a seer, not AC here.
I think that's it. I think that's it, yeah.
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Well, if you guys have any thoughts, you know, reach out to
us, Instagram, anything like that.
You know, we got a lot of cool things going on.
If you haven't, if you're listening to this podcast and
you're just like, oh, like, who are these guys?
And like, I want to kind of learn more.
Obviously there's more episodes to listen to, but if you want to
kind of get involved with the studio related stuff, if you go
to the in movement.com, there's a wait list page there.
There was, you know, by the timethis episode released, who knows
(35:18):
what else is there. But if you're interested to just
kind of get involved and see what might be available for you
to chew on, just go check it outor join us on Instagram.
And you know, we're always sharing things, obviously
podcast snippets and then also offers and things that might be
going on related to the studio, to the Bolognese traditions that
are happening on a month to month basis.
Come join our world. We'd love to have you as part of
(35:39):
our community. Thanks so much, Byron.
More to come. And thank you, listeners.
We'll speak to you next week. Thank you all.
Bye for now.
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