May 13, 2026 • 38 mins
Burnout recovery through yoga rarely runs in a straight line. Erin Hayes walked into her first yoga class, cried on the floor, and didn't go back for two years — then everything changed. A former actress and corporate professional now joining the IN Movement studio, Erin was born in London and found her path through burnout, a life-altering reckoning, and a deep sensitivity to energy she's carried since childhood — from Bikram yoga to Reiki Grandmaster and yoga facilitator.
Her teaching is built on three things: love, capacity, and transformation. She doesn't just hold space — she holds a lot of it. This episode is a compelling introduction to a teacher, a healer, and a human who has walked through the fire and come out the other side ready to help others do the same.
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Episode Chapters:
00:00:29 Introduction
00:01:06 Erin's Background — London, Acting, and Corporate Life
00:01:50 First Experience with Yoga: Bikram and the Floor in Tears
00:04:08 Going Back Two Years Later — The Rules That Changed Everything
00:07:03 Yoga as a Mirror — Becoming Aware of Misalignment
00:09:04 When Did It Become More Than Personal Practice?
00:09:29 The Stage, the Channel, and the Feeling of Something Coming Through
00:10:38 A Life That Looked Fine But Wasn't — The Low Hum of Misalignment
00:11:24 The Reckoning — When Everything Falls Apart at Once
00:13:23 Energy Work: A Lifelong Sensitivity That Finally Had a Name
00:15:07 Reiki Trainings — From Level One to Grandmaster
00:16:37 Angelic Reiki and Why It Felt Different
00:18:31 The Moment Teaching Became a Calling
00:20:32 Channeling, Surrender, and Getting Out of Your Own Way
00:26:00 Teaching Style: Love, Capacity, and Transformation
00:28:24 Favourite Pose: Camel — The Heart Opener That Shows Everything
00:30:08 What Students Feel Walking Out of Class
00:33:17 What Erin Is Exploring Right Now — The Word of the Year
00:34:47 The Shaman Story — Putting Out the World's Fire From Within
00:36:35 Upcoming Workshops, Retreats, and What's Next
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Mentions & Resources:
Michael Henri’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michaelyoga.pt/
Erin Hayes’ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/misserinhayes
The IN Movement Instagram: https://www.instagram/com/the_in_movement/
Practices and modalities referenced:
Bikram Yoga (Ghosh lineage — referenced in Ep. 198 with Laila)
Reiki (levels 1 through Grandmaster)
Angelic Reiki (levels 1–4, Master, Master Teacher)
Sound healing
Talk therapy
IN Movement Empowerment Work (Byron's methodology)
Podcast / media referenced:
Emma Watson interview with Jay Shetty — referenced quote: "Yoga and meditation aren't there to help you stay in a life that's out of alignment. They are tools to bring you to the truth."
Concepts explored:
Dark night of the soul / soul reckoning
Channeling as facilitation
Human Design (sacral authority — referenced briefly)
Shamanic story: the shaman who goes within to put out the fire
The IN Movement Podcast was formerly the Going Pro Yoga Podcast — and before that, the Yoga Teacher Evolution Podcast and the Rat Race Rebellion Podcast. Same mission, evolved name.
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(00:00):
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Welcome back to the In Movement podcast.
This is your host or one of yourhosts, Michael Henry and Byron's
not here today, but we do have aspecial guest.
Aaron Hayes is in the house. Aaron, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you, Michael. Thanks for having me on.
(00:44):
My pleasure. So we've had a few new guests
recently and the theme of the new guests has been mostly new
teachers that are going to be facilitating or maybe already
are facilitating at the studio, depending on when this gets
released, of course. So welcome to the podcast.
Why don't you let us know a little bit about yourself, where
you're from, then we'll kind of dive into some questions
(01:06):
afterwards. Brilliant.
So my name is Erin, I am originally from London.
I grew up in London and I've been living full time here in
Bali. I'd say around 18 months or so.
I was an actress. I lived in the States for a
little bit and then I moved intoa corporate career and back in
(01:29):
London. And then I ended up leaving that
behind to start my journey, my adventure back in Bali.
And was your journey in Bali related to your first yoga
experience? Did you come here for that?
No, we'll have to go back a longway.
Big rewind back. What's your first experience
(01:49):
with yoga? OK, so as I mentioned before, I
was an actress, so I was in theatre at the time in London,
and I was doing a particularly physically intensive show.
And the director said to me, I think you'd really benefit from
going to Bikram yoga for recovery.
(02:10):
So I took myself along like a, you know, good listener to the
class, to the studio. And at that time, I would say I
had a very unhealthy relationship with myself.
I was living above my body. I was chain smoking.
(02:32):
I was addicted to coffee and nicotine and like, constantly
trying to distract myself from my thoughts.
So stepping foot in that room was like the most confronting
thing. It was like the heat, the
sequence, the silence, just the intensity and nowhere to run.
(02:56):
And like, by the end of the class, I just lay on the floor
in tears in Shavasana. And I was like, this, this is
hell. And you know, it was like a it
was a mirror to what was going on in my life.
And, you know, I wasn't ready toface it.
So I left and I did not go back.How old are you when you went?
(03:17):
Thank. God, it must have been like
1920. OK, and so was the.
Classic packed. Yeah, it was full of people and
just like so, so intense. And, you know, I like, have you
ever done? But you must.
Have I've never done it actually.
Oh, so it's like complete silence in there and you know,
40 odd degrees and just this really strict sequence and
(03:40):
nothing else. Just pure silence.
So it's like at the same time, like the physicality of it is
like bringing me into my body, which is a place that I'm not
used to being. And it, you know, and then
there's just like no distractionfrom anything.
You've got mirrors in front of you.
So just like everything at the same time is, is going on and
(04:01):
like no capacity to block it out.
And yeah, I just, I just wasn't ready for it at all at that
time. So yeah, I think like I didn't
go back for two years and then like 2 years later it was like
another role. And then this time I'm like
starving myself for it. And I'm like drastic weight loss
tips and Bikram yoga shows up again and I'm like, OK, I'm
(04:26):
prepared this time though, because I know it's hell.
And so I, you know, I go back and I sign up for like a 30 day
pass or whatever. And I have like 2 rules, like
stay in the room and just keep going back.
And things start to shift, you know, like I start to notice
(04:46):
changes. I'm like, oh, I'm like, I can
breathe differently. And yeah, I had this teacher,
this this teacher called Sanjay.And he used to stand on my feet.
And I was like, oh, this is thisis about alignment.
He's helping with my alignment. And you know, when I look back
at it, I'm like, no, he's helping me ground back in my
(05:07):
body. And, you know, I began to stand
differently. Like I felt physically, I could
feel my feet on the earth, whichI had never felt before.
And it's just like, I had this place that I could go to and it
didn't matter how my day had gone.
Like it didn't matter if I got the call back or if I didn't get
(05:31):
it, I could still show up. I didn't have to perform.
And it just, it helped me. And, you know, I hadn't had any
much consistency in my life up to that point.
And I suddenly just had this space where I could just be.
And yeah, it was this very internal thing.
(05:52):
Like, I really didn't talk aboutit much, but like quietly in the
background, it was just chippingaway at my life.
And I can't say like, Oh yeah, Idiscovered yoga and then like my
whole life transformed. Like I made all the wrong
decisions and still went to yoga.
Like I stayed in the wrong relationships and I still went
(06:15):
to yoga class. I was in the wrong careers.
Like, but it, it got harder because I then had this place
where I could show up, where it became very glaringly obvious
when I wasn't in alignment. It was like a mirror back to my
life. And yeah, just this, this taste
(06:36):
that I could show up to. And it began to teach me things.
You know, why was I losing my balance that day?
What was going on? Why, what was stealing my
attention? Why?
Why did I need the teacher to like me?
And it was, it was showing me. It was guiding me and yeah, I, I
(06:57):
just kind of started to, I don'tknow if I'd say I fell in love
with it. It just became something I did.
Erin's at yoga class. We obviously got something out
of it from an maybe an unseen perspective or just a a deep
down perspective. Sounds like a bit of self
reflection. Time for self reflection, time
for space to process or just allow things to be processed,
(07:20):
maybe even unconsciously to somedegree.
So obviously you went back for reasons, maybe it was physical
at first to some degree, but that doesn't usually last.
Usually there's more to it there.
So and it's probably revealed itself more over time.
Is that kind of? Oh my God, 100%.
It's been a huge, long, long journey and it's something
that's just kind of continued to, to grow in development.
(07:43):
I I think in the beginning it would definitely was about,
yeah, finding that foundation, that sort of stability for the
first time. And yet it changed my breathing,
my capacity to be able to then handle things differently
outside of the room. It was like, oh, I was able to
breathe through really intense things and change the way I
(08:08):
breathed. And so when ready, intense
things would happen in life thatmaybe I would typically respond
or react straight away to. I then had the spaciousness
around it like, oh, OK, like I can just breathe through this
and not react and, you know, seehow I feel tomorrow.
Like that didn't feel like an option before to me.
(08:29):
Like I was, yeah, much more of areactive person.
So it would, it was shaping me and bringing me home to myself.
And yeah, that was just deep, deep in a work in a processing
going on. And you know, the philosophy
fascinated me, the stories, but it really, it was this big part
(08:53):
of my life that was just became ever present.
But it was never something that I was like, this is going to be
the direction my life goes in. I never saw it that way.
So that's part of my next question, which is when did it
transition for you from this personal practice to more than
that where you wanted to share, facilitate, be more of service
(09:16):
in this space? Yeah, I never wanted to be a
yoga teacher. I I would be really surprised,
you know, if you went back and said, Aaron, this is the
direction your life is going in,I would be really taken back by
that. So I how would explain it?
Well, when I was acting, when I was in theatre, there was this
feeling that I would get when I would step on stage and it was
(09:39):
like something was coming through me, you know, it felt
like, it felt like magic to me. Like, there was just this
aliveness, this, yeah, this channelling experience
happening, and I could never replicate it.
So I tried to move from theatre into film and TV, and it like,
(10:00):
never felt the same. And I ended up walking away from
that and leaving that behind andcoming into, you know, corporate
career that I kind of loved in some way and that it gave me,
you know, stability and safety. And, you know, it almost felt
like enough. And yeah, I'm sure it looked
(10:22):
like it, but I guess deep down there was this like this like
low level stress of like, maybe this isn't really what I'm here
to do, but it was the kind of stress that I could manage.
Like it wasn't the kind of stress that I needed to change
my life for it's. Like a low level stress, low
level anxiety kind of thing, yeah.
(10:46):
And then actually, I was listening to a podcast where
Emma Watson was talking about this recently with Jay Shetty,
and she was saying, you know, yoga, meditation, they aren't
there to help you stay in a lifethat's out of alignment.
They are tools to bring you to the truth.
(11:06):
And essentially, that's what I was using them for.
I was, I was using them to, you know, manage this hum of, yeah,
this is this is not really why I'm here.
But it's a nice life and it's a bit stressful.
But, you know, I go to yoga class and tomorrow's another
day. And then I went through A
(11:27):
reckoning. I went through A reckoning that
was not of my choosing. And everything that I had had to
be true at the same time was wobbled, destabilized.
And again, yoga was this one consistency that I could still
show up. And, you know, it became
(11:50):
impossible to continue the way that I always had.
And so I had to continue as I hadn't ever before.
And that journey brought me to Bali.
And you know, the, the steps just, they kept on unfolding
from there. So when I got to Bali, I went to
(12:11):
a yoga class out here. It was one of Byron's and I was
blown away. I was like, this is everything
that feels like my work, like energy movement, self inquiry
philosophy, like he's moving energy in there.
Was it a Vanessa class or was itthe empowerment class?
(12:32):
It was a vinyasa class, but I think he was very deep into the
empowerment work at the time because it was around the time
that he was starting it, or it'dbeen going for like not such a
long time, so. He was testing it in all his
classes. Yeah, it definitely had a lot of
those elements. And, and so I was like, I, yeah,
I don't know what this is, but II want to learn more.
(12:53):
And I kind of kept coming out back out to Bali on these trips.
I just kept getting pulled back.And I ended up signing up for
the training with no intention of being a teacher, Just I want
to learn more about this work. So before that did you because
you kind of made a little bit ofan indication of a bit like you
(13:13):
were becoming more involved in energetic a work or maybe more
curiosity about it. Can you say a little bit more
about that before we kind of go into the?
Yeah, absolutely. So with energy work, wow.
Like I have always had this connection, the sensitivity to
energy. Like I, when I was a child and a
(13:33):
friend was sick, I would like put my hands there
instinctively, like I kind of knew that there was this, yeah,
this energy that we were connected to that I couldn't
quite explain or have a name for.
It just was very instinctive andit just was something I was
aware of. And then I guess when we're
(13:54):
talking about that, managing that low lying stress, one of
the things that I would do is I would go to like sound healing
and Reiki healing classes in theevening.
And this woman that one day said, I'm running a training on
this. And I was like, you might sign
up and do that, you know, be kind of interesting to learn
more about this with no real desire to do anything more with
(14:21):
it. So I ended up doing, you know, a
training, a few trainings with her, and that was that.
And I never really, yeah, gave it much thought afterwards, but
just, it was very interesting. But they do all of the
attunements during that. So you're getting more, your
capacity to hold energy is beingincreased.
(14:42):
And I learned more about, you know, the background of it and
the history. And.
Yeah. But I wasn't, you know, I wasn't
practicing. And then I went through A
reckoning and. A Reckoning sounds like a horror
movie. Erin Hayes stars in The
Reckoning. It was like a horror movie.
(15:04):
It was, it was a really challenging time.
And during that, you know, I gotback into energy work again in a
big way for my own sake because it really helped me in a way
that, you know, I was in talk therapy and it, it felt like it
could only do so much. And, you know, energy work just
was able to support me in a way that.
(15:27):
Yeah, it was radical in the way it was able to help me move
through things and support me. And so through that, I then got
more and more involved in energywork.
I ended up completing more and more trainings in it.
And yeah, I don't know. For me, the yoga and the energy
were one and the same. You know, they weren't, They
(15:47):
weren't. They were separate.
And I went to different places for them, but not in where they
were coming from and not in how they connected to me.
Yeah, I mean, we can definitely relate to that.
Out of curiosity, what kind of trainings did you do?
You said you did a bunch of different trainings.
Yeah, of course. So when I was first doing the
Reiki trainings, I did Reiki oneand two, and that was when I
(16:10):
didn't practice. I then continued to do Reiki 345
Master Grandmaster, and you know, it was just increasing the
depth, the capacity and the power of it.
Yeah, it was amazing to be able to do these and, and then to
share it and to have clients andworkshops.
(16:34):
You know, I, I love this work. I then specialized in Angelic
Reiki, which, yeah, I, I kind ofseparate as something else
entirely. Yeah.
My first experience of Angelic Reiki, I just walked into a room
and I was like, wow, like what is this energy?
It was so felt to me, but like pure and high vibrational and
(16:59):
supportive. Like I just loved it.
I kept going back and yeah, thenI ended up doing Angelic Rake
1234 Master, Master teacher. Just serial trainings of the
same way. It seems like it's all very much
in alignment, especially once weget into some of the class and
what you makes you unique and special.
(17:21):
There was no hesitation. I was like, oh, this is, this is
my work. And, and the more that, yeah, I
learnt in these trainings, the more I was attuned to this
energy. Yeah.
It just felt pure alignment, youknow, things just coming back
full circle and starting to makesense in a big, big way.
So it sounds like to kind of go back to the original question,
(17:44):
which is not the most important thing, but just for the
sequential mind. You know, you did a lot of these
trainings and things like that. And there was a point in which a
lot of this was for you, you know, not really necessarily
wanting to be a, we called it a yoga teacher or a facilitator.
But then at some point there wasa transition of like, I want to
do this, I want to help other people.
(18:05):
I want to be able to hold space for other people.
Or you said, I don't know if there's workshops or something
like that. You know, we talked about the
yoga teacher trainings here with, you know, whether it be
the 200 hour or the empowerment.And, you know, you've done a lot
of trainings with us as well. But like, yeah, could you like 0
in a little bit more on not necessarily the specifics, but
the moment that that I just wantto share this.
(18:26):
I want to this is more than justfor me.
It's it's going to extend beyondme.
Yeah. Do you have like a recollection
of that? Yeah, they say.
There's two big moments. One was during the reckoning and
I think I had someone talking about when you know, you go
through something and you know, I've heard it called like dark
night of the soul or like, you know, a a soul moment, say where
(18:50):
your soul goes, OK, let's blow up this life and you know your
purpose is over here and, you know, a breakdown.
And I think what separates it orwhat I've heard separates it is
there is some element of you knowing on a soul level this is
happening for me. And so when I was going through
(19:12):
that time, it was like this underneath it, this very, very
calm feeling of this is happening for a reason.
And this reason is bigger than me.
And it's OK. And that really was like my
guiding light through it. And then, you know, as part of
(19:33):
the journey and things started to unfold, it just became very
clear of like, Oh no, I'm here to navigate this so I can help
and guide others through this ina different way.
And the yoga moment was when we were on the, the training, you
know, I, I really hadn't thoughtabout teaching at all until
(19:56):
teaching the in the finals. And I had that moment of.
The same feeling that I got whenI was on stage, but and even in
a different way, but of just something coming through me and
I was like, oh, like this, this is where I'm at.
Like this is full circle. And yeah, from that I like
(20:16):
finished the training. I went to go back to London and
I started teaching straight away.
I was like, it gave me so much life and purpose and all the
things that I really hadn't had up until then.
And it still does. So I don't know if we've talked
about it before, but we might have.
But did you feel like this a lotof this energetic work and these
(20:38):
experiences, you know, you use the word coming through you, but
I caught I, I heard like channelling.
So, you know, channelling is probably a more familiar word to
people in some ways. But like, what would you say
about that? The experience of being up there
and being able to transmit something unseen to some degree.
Peru as a facilitator. Yeah, I would.
(21:00):
I would definitely describe it that way.
You know, when I used to, it's always to help me understand
looking back at being on stage at theatre, in theatre and being
like that's that was channelling.
That was why I felt that way in that moment, because I was Co
creating something. Something was, yeah, was being
channelled through me and to people.
(21:23):
And yeah, it just felt like what?
I'm here to do my work, but. But in a way not because the
words weren't mine. And, you know, someone was
telling me where to stand. And there's a there's a
contrived aspect to it. It is performance, right?
But then, yeah, with, with teaching and with this energy
work, it's completely different.It's like, Oh yeah, I am here to
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facilitate. I'm here to be a bridge between
something so much bigger than meand the people here.
And yeah, that that's my work. I'm here to to bridge this
energy, to bridge this experience, to hold the
experience. And yeah, it's, it's, it's
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insane. Like it continues to blow me
away. You know, Byron caught me up to
like sub last minute for a classand I, I was like, oh, OK.
Like I'd like not had time to like think through or do prep
that I would usually do. And I got there and I was like,
I'm trusting. I'm just fully trusting that was
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supposed to come through, comes through.
And it just did in a way that astounded me and, like, blew me
away. And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm not
in the driving seat of this. Like, I'm just allowing, you
know what? What's there to come through?
And yeah, I, I love that I get to do this.
I'm very grateful that there's unseen support.
(22:52):
Yeah, that sounds great. I don't know how relatable some
of this stuff can be for some people, but maybe some people.
But to me, the way I hear it a little bit is this.
There's a certain, I don't even say a certain level, but there
needs to be a level of surrenderto allow this passing,
transmission, channeling, whatever you want to call it
(23:14):
through. But I can imagine, hey, Aaron, I
need you to come teach empowerment in 12 hours from
now. Can you do it?
And you're probably like, there's probably some nervous
energy there, some low to mediumlevel anxiety to some degree
being like, oh shit, mental thought that might be kind of
like interrupting or condition patterns of like fear or
whatever that comes through. And I'm sure that is relatable
(23:37):
to a lot of people. But then, and this is often what
we try to share with people is like, how do we let go of that
so that you can just be of service?
How do you surrender so that your authentic, this can come
through? And it sounds like that's
something that you were able to cultivate and kind of really
learn how to do overtime and practice, which is just to
surrender and trust that what's going to happen, what's going to
(23:59):
come through you, what's going to, you know, through your
words, through your facilitationis going to be what it needs to
be. Yeah, I'd say it's exactly that.
Like, how can I get out of my own way, which I'm sure a lot of
people recognize and can relate to.
Yeah, like how? How do you know?
I was told this around acting actually.
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And you know, when I went through a phase where just out
of nowhere I would get stage fright and I, I grew up acting.
So it was, it took me by surprise that it just came from
nowhere. And the director said to me, it
was like, oh, you're, you're getting self-conscious because
you're thinking about yourself. And the way to get past it is to
(24:42):
focus on doing something. And you know, I feel like
actually that's not so helpful because you know, there's so
much put on doing, you know, thedoing.
It's more the being like, but can can you just not be here as
like, I need to be focused on meand conscious of me, but can I
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just be here and that I'm going to be of service and show up and
hold the space and be present toit.
And if I do that and I'm focusedon others and their experience,
then I'm thinking less about, you know, what everyone's
thinking about me and more aboutwhat I'm here to.
(25:28):
I'm going to not say do, even though that that's the thread.
I'm what I'm here to be. To be for people, yeah, whatever
that is. Yeah.
But yeah, there's, there's big time trust and surrender and
that's been a huge, huge unfolding and, and journey to,
to learn to do more of that. I've moments of great surrender
(25:48):
that I feel like, wow, I've unlocked it and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh, I gotta somehow figure out how to go
back to that sometimes 'cause you know, life happens in ways.
So here I got a question for you.
How would you describe your teaching style in three words?
In three words, that's really hard.
(26:09):
And then also why you can start with one at a time if you want.
Or try not to think about it toomuch and just allow a word to
come through and we can break itdown afterwards.
My teaching style, everything that motivates me, it always
comes back to love. Like how can I just be love?
Can I? How can I be love?
Teach love, hold love. So, so love.
(26:32):
So love. OK, good love.
Capacity, capacity, capacity canhold, can hold a lot.
Like you're strong, like 500 lbsor.
Yeah, like capacity, yeah. Maybe it's the strength.
The strength factor, you know, my work is I feel to just hold
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the space so that people can show up and whatever they bring,
they can be with. They can feel like it can be
held within the space so they have a place where they can
breathe where they can B potentially feel safe to go a
bit deeper if that is what it shows up.
(27:21):
Ultimately, no one is too much for you.
Yeah, yeah. Not found it yet.
You know, it's this level of like unconditional support, like
I yeah, I can hold it. That's probably not 3 though.
That's only two. Changing doesn't feel quite
right as the word. So transformation or I mean
growth, yeah, there's something shifting.
(27:42):
Yeah about it that could say my,you know, the classes that that
shift people, even if it's just oh, I'm glad I came to the class
today that that smaller shift. But I'm, you know, the first
thing I'm looking for is has thefront's nervous system, what's
the capacity? And then the second is 1 needs
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to move, one needs to change, totransform, to grow and how can I
help with that? OK, love capacity and
transformation with an hystericsof potentially another word.
I like it. So what's your favorite yoga
pose? My favorite yoga pose is camel
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pose. It's a big heart opener and I
feel like it's the quickest to show anything that's not loved.
Interesting. OK, OK, I'm a pose.
Definitely not my favorite. What's your favorite yogurt?
When I was asked this question Isaid puppy dog but at the time
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when I was asked this question my my thoracic spine was very
very stiff and probably sitting in this chair so much.
But I've been practicing a lot lately and I realized that Nah I
don't really feel that anymore. So my usual ansil is triangle
actually. Kanga's a very underrated pose.
Yeah, just very expansive and. Yeah.
There's like inner energy but also expansive energy.
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I just, yeah, I really like thatone.
Yeah, I mean, I love that. I love the poses, I love the
asanas, but they're tools, you know, They're not the yoga.
There's been a lot of people that have mastered A handstand.
Have they mastered the yoga? Has anyone?
I've not met anyone that's completed yoga yet.
Have you? I don't.
Know it's a never ending video game.
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It feels like levels just never,it's just always another level.
So next question I have for you is based off of all this, you
know, we're getting a sense of knowing you a little bit more
of, you know, a very unique person that you are compared to,
you know, some of the other facilitators, you know, we've
talked about yoga asana and stuff like that, and we've had,
you know, breathwork teacher coming in.
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And but ultimately, this energetic work is might even be
foreign for some people to be like, I understand energy, but
like maybe not like Aaron does. Sounds like Aaron really
understands, maybe even understands, but feels energy in
such a way. So this question is centered
around when someone walks into your class, one of your classes
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at the in movement, what do you hope that they get to experience
or feel after they walk out? I love that question 'cause I
think it's a, it's a felt experience.
You know, There's so much that we can see and experience that
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way. And as we were mentioning a bit
earlier, you know, need to see, to believe.
And then there's things that we feel.
So I'd, I'd hope that they felt just the pure love of that.
They can show up exactly as theyare.
They don't need to be anything other than who they are right at
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that moment. They can leave anything that
they need to at the door and canchoose whether or not they want
to collect it on the way out. And I would hope they felt that
they were supported in unseen ways that they may not be aware
of and the shifts that can come with that.
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And, you know, when we're working on an energetical level,
we're working with the vastness of all the we are that all the,
you know, so much of what we areis not physical.
I quoted something, I don't knowhow accurate it is, but it's
like 85% energy, 15% physical matter.
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So when we're working with our energy, you know, we're actually
shifting our external world, youknow, when we shift the
internal, the external reorders itself around that.
And we're also working with things that are very real.
You know, we, we may not be connected to it or some may feel
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more connected than others, but that instinct of like, oh, like
I feel like someone's thinking about me or, you know, someone's
going to call me. I've got a feeling I'm going to
hear from this person or, you know, experiences that we have
had in our lives, like we carry them within our energy field
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and, you know, we can move them,we can transform them.
We can change that. We can shift our energy field
and that allows, in my experience, deep, deep, deep
transformation of of all that weare.
And you know, it's a gift to be able to to support that work,
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that energetical work. Because I feel like, yeah, to
me, it goes hand in hand with the yoga.
You know, the yoga's doing that anyway.
This is just an added an added filter.
And So what are you currently working on that is maybe for
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yourself or what like what are you most interested in right
now? Because you know, and obviously
energy is something that you areinterested in, but it's
something you've done a lot of. Is there something new or is
there something that something else that's going on in the
background for you? Like in terms of my personal
practice or? Yeah.
Like, what are you exploring or refining for your own practice?
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For your own facilitation? Maybe both?
I think maybe 2, I think maybe there's two questions there.
So the first, like my own practice, my word for this year
is joy. So how do I move at the pace of
joy? And I think when something that
you love becomes your work, there is like an element of
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losing that enjoyment. And like last year, my practice,
my work, it felt very, there wasa lot of inner processing, a lot
of reorganizing, transforming. And, you know, this year it's
felt like lighter and expensive.And yeah, they finding that that
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way of, of just still moving with that enjoyment.
And you know, what parts of myself kind of bring into my
practice, you know what, what else is new, what else is here?
And then on that, you know, I always come back to the teaching
that there really is only one ofus here.
So that when I see feel something that's like on a
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collective level, like, you know, this, the world is at war
right now and a lot of people are experiencing that, you know,
whenever separated from it. So then, yeah, I come back to,
you know, what's my own responsibility in that?
There's a story that I love about shamans.
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Have I got time for this? OK, so there's three shamans,
and there's a village, and they're suffering from a fire.
So they call in these three shamans, and two of them go
immediately to the fire, and they start performing
incantations to try and put the fire out.
And there's one shaman. She just goes, she doesn't even
go to the fire. She just goes into her tent and
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they're all working on this fire.
And then eventually, like suddenly the fire goes out and
they all know that it was her that did it.
And so they go to her and they said, like, how did you do it?
And she said, well, I went to the place inside of me that was
out of balance and I put the fire out there.
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And so, yeah, like what's my work at the moment?
Where am I at Woolworth myself? And where can I bring more
peace? Like, yeah, into my practice,
into what I share. Yeah.
And then to that end of, of, of what I'm sharing, like I'm, you
know, I'm, I'm flawed by this empowerment work and the impact
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that it's had for me and, and the impact that it has in
people's eyes and like just a couple of hours sometimes.
So I'm honored to be able to be sharing this on a regular basis,
to be doing more workshops. And then yeah, with Angelic
healing, Angelic Reiki, I'm really grateful that I'm able to
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be able to share this weekly andto be able to do more
intensives, more workshops. And then I think building
towards sharing, yeah, like deeper form work.
So retreats, trainings later in the year, I think feels like
things are like naturally flowing that way.
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And then, yeah, sharing more, more of my story, more of my
voice. It feels like a big voice, yeah.
I mean, the podcast is here for you as well.
I'm really excited about this. Yeah.
I mean, you, you have, you've opened some interests of mine
that is going to be like, I think I'm going to get Aaron
back on here to talk about some other things here.
This is mostly an introduction, but I feel like, you know, we
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even got a bit deeper than that.So a teaser, if you will, a
teaser if you will. We'll bring it to a close.
So yeah, if people wanted to connect with you and they wanted
to just kind of learn more, ask you a question or anything like
that, obviously come to the studio and take your classes.
There's that's one thing. But also, if they just wanted to
reach out, what's the best way for them to do that?
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Yeah, well, they can catch me onInstagram.
It's at Miss Erin Hayes. ERINHAYES.
Cool, and we'll have that in thenotes.
Just send me a message, Yeah. Love to hear from you.
Thank you so much for coming in,for the time, for sharing your
story. I'm sure there'll be more
opportunities to get more, so I'm thankful and grateful for
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that. Thank you SO.
Much thank you to the listeners for tuning in this week.
Again, if you have any questions, you can reach out to
Aaron. That'll be in the show notes.
Of course, you can reach out to us.
Otherwise, come see us at the studio.
We're excited. It's been a long time that we've
been putting this together. So like Aaron and some of the
other facilitators, we're here to welcome and bring you into
the community. So we hope to see you soon.
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Welcome back to the In Movement podcast.
This is your host or one of yourhosts, Michael Henry and Byron's
not here today, but we do have aspecial guest.
Aaron Hayes is in the house. Aaron, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you, Michael. Thanks for having me on.
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My pleasure. So we've had a few new guests
recently and the theme of the new guests has been mostly new
teachers that are going to be facilitating or maybe already
are facilitating at the studio, depending on when this gets
released, of course. So welcome to the podcast.
Why don't you let us know a little bit about yourself, where
you're from, then we'll kind of dive into some questions
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afterwards. Brilliant.
So my name is Erin, I am originally from London.
I grew up in London and I've been living full time here in
Bali. I'd say around 18 months or so.
I was an actress. I lived in the States for a
little bit and then I moved intoa corporate career and back in
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London. And then I ended up leaving that
behind to start my journey, my adventure back in Bali.
And was your journey in Bali related to your first yoga
experience? Did you come here for that?
No, we'll have to go back a longway.
Big rewind back. What's your first experience
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with yoga? OK, so as I mentioned before, I
was an actress, so I was in theatre at the time in London,
and I was doing a particularly physically intensive show.
And the director said to me, I think you'd really benefit from
going to Bikram yoga for recovery.
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So I took myself along like a, you know, good listener to the
class, to the studio. And at that time, I would say I
had a very unhealthy relationship with myself.
I was living above my body. I was chain smoking.
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I was addicted to coffee and nicotine and like, constantly
trying to distract myself from my thoughts.
So stepping foot in that room was like the most confronting
thing. It was like the heat, the
sequence, the silence, just the intensity and nowhere to run.
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And like, by the end of the class, I just lay on the floor
in tears in Shavasana. And I was like, this, this is
hell. And you know, it was like a it
was a mirror to what was going on in my life.
And, you know, I wasn't ready toface it.
So I left and I did not go back.How old are you when you went?
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Thank. God, it must have been like
1920. OK, and so was the.
Classic packed. Yeah, it was full of people and
just like so, so intense. And, you know, I like, have you
ever done? But you must.
Have I've never done it actually.
Oh, so it's like complete silence in there and you know,
40 odd degrees and just this really strict sequence and
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nothing else. Just pure silence.
So it's like at the same time, like the physicality of it is
like bringing me into my body, which is a place that I'm not
used to being. And it, you know, and then
there's just like no distractionfrom anything.
You've got mirrors in front of you.
So just like everything at the same time is, is going on and
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like no capacity to block it out.
And yeah, I just, I just wasn't ready for it at all at that
time. So yeah, I think like I didn't
go back for two years and then like 2 years later it was like
another role. And then this time I'm like
starving myself for it. And I'm like drastic weight loss
tips and Bikram yoga shows up again and I'm like, OK, I'm
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prepared this time though, because I know it's hell.
And so I, you know, I go back and I sign up for like a 30 day
pass or whatever. And I have like 2 rules, like
stay in the room and just keep going back.
And things start to shift, you know, like I start to notice
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changes. I'm like, oh, I'm like, I can
breathe differently. And yeah, I had this teacher,
this this teacher called Sanjay.And he used to stand on my feet.
And I was like, oh, this is thisis about alignment.
He's helping with my alignment. And you know, when I look back
at it, I'm like, no, he's helping me ground back in my
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body. And, you know, I began to stand
differently. Like I felt physically, I could
feel my feet on the earth, whichI had never felt before.
And it's just like, I had this place that I could go to and it
didn't matter how my day had gone.
Like it didn't matter if I got the call back or if I didn't get
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it, I could still show up. I didn't have to perform.
And it just, it helped me. And, you know, I hadn't had any
much consistency in my life up to that point.
And I suddenly just had this space where I could just be.
And yeah, it was this very internal thing.
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Like, I really didn't talk aboutit much, but like quietly in the
background, it was just chippingaway at my life.
And I can't say like, Oh yeah, Idiscovered yoga and then like my
whole life transformed. Like I made all the wrong
decisions and still went to yoga.
Like I stayed in the wrong relationships and I still went
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to yoga class. I was in the wrong careers.
Like, but it, it got harder because I then had this place
where I could show up, where it became very glaringly obvious
when I wasn't in alignment. It was like a mirror back to my
life. And yeah, just this, this taste
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that I could show up to. And it began to teach me things.
You know, why was I losing my balance that day?
What was going on? Why, what was stealing my
attention? Why?
Why did I need the teacher to like me?
And it was, it was showing me. It was guiding me and yeah, I, I
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just kind of started to, I don'tknow if I'd say I fell in love
with it. It just became something I did.
Erin's at yoga class. We obviously got something out
of it from an maybe an unseen perspective or just a a deep
down perspective. Sounds like a bit of self
reflection. Time for self reflection, time
for space to process or just allow things to be processed,
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maybe even unconsciously to somedegree.
So obviously you went back for reasons, maybe it was physical
at first to some degree, but that doesn't usually last.
Usually there's more to it there.
So and it's probably revealed itself more over time.
Is that kind of? Oh my God, 100%.
It's been a huge, long, long journey and it's something
that's just kind of continued to, to grow in development.
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I I think in the beginning it would definitely was about,
yeah, finding that foundation, that sort of stability for the
first time. And yet it changed my breathing,
my capacity to be able to then handle things differently
outside of the room. It was like, oh, I was able to
breathe through really intense things and change the way I
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breathed. And so when ready, intense
things would happen in life thatmaybe I would typically respond
or react straight away to. I then had the spaciousness
around it like, oh, OK, like I can just breathe through this
and not react and, you know, seehow I feel tomorrow.
Like that didn't feel like an option before to me.
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Like I was, yeah, much more of areactive person.
So it would, it was shaping me and bringing me home to myself.
And yeah, that was just deep, deep in a work in a processing
going on. And you know, the philosophy
fascinated me, the stories, but it really, it was this big part
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of my life that was just became ever present.
But it was never something that I was like, this is going to be
the direction my life goes in. I never saw it that way.
So that's part of my next question, which is when did it
transition for you from this personal practice to more than
that where you wanted to share, facilitate, be more of service
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in this space? Yeah, I never wanted to be a
yoga teacher. I I would be really surprised,
you know, if you went back and said, Aaron, this is the
direction your life is going in,I would be really taken back by
that. So I how would explain it?
Well, when I was acting, when I was in theatre, there was this
feeling that I would get when I would step on stage and it was
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like something was coming through me, you know, it felt
like, it felt like magic to me. Like, there was just this
aliveness, this, yeah, this channelling experience
happening, and I could never replicate it.
So I tried to move from theatre into film and TV, and it like,
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never felt the same. And I ended up walking away from
that and leaving that behind andcoming into, you know, corporate
career that I kind of loved in some way and that it gave me,
you know, stability and safety. And, you know, it almost felt
like enough. And yeah, I'm sure it looked
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like it, but I guess deep down there was this like this like
low level stress of like, maybe this isn't really what I'm here
to do, but it was the kind of stress that I could manage.
Like it wasn't the kind of stress that I needed to change
my life for it's. Like a low level stress, low
level anxiety kind of thing, yeah.
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And then actually, I was listening to a podcast where
Emma Watson was talking about this recently with Jay Shetty,
and she was saying, you know, yoga, meditation, they aren't
there to help you stay in a lifethat's out of alignment.
They are tools to bring you to the truth.
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And essentially, that's what I was using them for.
I was, I was using them to, you know, manage this hum of, yeah,
this is this is not really why I'm here.
But it's a nice life and it's a bit stressful.
But, you know, I go to yoga class and tomorrow's another
day. And then I went through A
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reckoning. I went through A reckoning that
was not of my choosing. And everything that I had had to
be true at the same time was wobbled, destabilized.
And again, yoga was this one consistency that I could still
show up. And, you know, it became
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impossible to continue the way that I always had.
And so I had to continue as I hadn't ever before.
And that journey brought me to Bali.
And you know, the, the steps just, they kept on unfolding
from there. So when I got to Bali, I went to
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a yoga class out here. It was one of Byron's and I was
blown away. I was like, this is everything
that feels like my work, like energy movement, self inquiry
philosophy, like he's moving energy in there.
Was it a Vanessa class or was itthe empowerment class?
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It was a vinyasa class, but I think he was very deep into the
empowerment work at the time because it was around the time
that he was starting it, or it'dbeen going for like not such a
long time, so. He was testing it in all his
classes. Yeah, it definitely had a lot of
those elements. And, and so I was like, I, yeah,
I don't know what this is, but II want to learn more.
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And I kind of kept coming out back out to Bali on these trips.
I just kept getting pulled back.And I ended up signing up for
the training with no intention of being a teacher, Just I want
to learn more about this work. So before that did you because
you kind of made a little bit ofan indication of a bit like you
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were becoming more involved in energetic a work or maybe more
curiosity about it. Can you say a little bit more
about that before we kind of go into the?
Yeah, absolutely. So with energy work, wow.
Like I have always had this connection, the sensitivity to
energy. Like I, when I was a child and a
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friend was sick, I would like put my hands there
instinctively, like I kind of knew that there was this, yeah,
this energy that we were connected to that I couldn't
quite explain or have a name for.
It just was very instinctive andit just was something I was
aware of. And then I guess when we're
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talking about that, managing that low lying stress, one of
the things that I would do is I would go to like sound healing
and Reiki healing classes in theevening.
And this woman that one day said, I'm running a training on
this. And I was like, you might sign
up and do that, you know, be kind of interesting to learn
more about this with no real desire to do anything more with
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it. So I ended up doing, you know, a
training, a few trainings with her, and that was that.
And I never really, yeah, gave it much thought afterwards, but
just, it was very interesting. But they do all of the
attunements during that. So you're getting more, your
capacity to hold energy is beingincreased.
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And I learned more about, you know, the background of it and
the history. And.
Yeah. But I wasn't, you know, I wasn't
practicing. And then I went through A
reckoning and. A Reckoning sounds like a horror
movie. Erin Hayes stars in The
Reckoning. It was like a horror movie.
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It was, it was a really challenging time.
And during that, you know, I gotback into energy work again in a
big way for my own sake because it really helped me in a way
that, you know, I was in talk therapy and it, it felt like it
could only do so much. And, you know, energy work just
was able to support me in a way that.
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Yeah, it was radical in the way it was able to help me move
through things and support me. And so through that, I then got
more and more involved in energywork.
I ended up completing more and more trainings in it.
And yeah, I don't know. For me, the yoga and the energy
were one and the same. You know, they weren't, They
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weren't. They were separate.
And I went to different places for them, but not in where they
were coming from and not in how they connected to me.
Yeah, I mean, we can definitely relate to that.
Out of curiosity, what kind of trainings did you do?
You said you did a bunch of different trainings.
Yeah, of course. So when I was first doing the
Reiki trainings, I did Reiki oneand two, and that was when I
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didn't practice. I then continued to do Reiki 345
Master Grandmaster, and you know, it was just increasing the
depth, the capacity and the power of it.
Yeah, it was amazing to be able to do these and, and then to
share it and to have clients andworkshops.
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You know, I, I love this work. I then specialized in Angelic
Reiki, which, yeah, I, I kind ofseparate as something else
entirely. Yeah.
My first experience of Angelic Reiki, I just walked into a room
and I was like, wow, like what is this energy?
It was so felt to me, but like pure and high vibrational and
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supportive. Like I just loved it.
I kept going back and yeah, thenI ended up doing Angelic Rake
1234 Master, Master teacher. Just serial trainings of the
same way. It seems like it's all very much
in alignment, especially once weget into some of the class and
what you makes you unique and special.
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There was no hesitation. I was like, oh, this is, this is
my work. And, and the more that, yeah, I
learnt in these trainings, the more I was attuned to this
energy. Yeah.
It just felt pure alignment, youknow, things just coming back
full circle and starting to makesense in a big, big way.
So it sounds like to kind of go back to the original question,
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which is not the most important thing, but just for the
sequential mind. You know, you did a lot of these
trainings and things like that. And there was a point in which a
lot of this was for you, you know, not really necessarily
wanting to be a, we called it a yoga teacher or a facilitator.
But then at some point there wasa transition of like, I want to
do this, I want to help other people.
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I want to be able to hold space for other people.
Or you said, I don't know if there's workshops or something
like that. You know, we talked about the
yoga teacher trainings here with, you know, whether it be
the 200 hour or the empowerment.And, you know, you've done a lot
of trainings with us as well. But like, yeah, could you like 0
in a little bit more on not necessarily the specifics, but
the moment that that I just wantto share this.
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I want to this is more than justfor me.
It's it's going to extend beyondme.
Yeah. Do you have like a recollection
of that? Yeah, they say.
There's two big moments. One was during the reckoning and
I think I had someone talking about when you know, you go
through something and you know, I've heard it called like dark
night of the soul or like, you know, a a soul moment, say where
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your soul goes, OK, let's blow up this life and you know your
purpose is over here and, you know, a breakdown.
And I think what separates it orwhat I've heard separates it is
there is some element of you knowing on a soul level this is
happening for me. And so when I was going through
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that time, it was like this underneath it, this very, very
calm feeling of this is happening for a reason.
And this reason is bigger than me.
And it's OK. And that really was like my
guiding light through it. And then, you know, as part of
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the journey and things started to unfold, it just became very
clear of like, Oh no, I'm here to navigate this so I can help
and guide others through this ina different way.
And the yoga moment was when we were on the, the training, you
know, I, I really hadn't thoughtabout teaching at all until
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teaching the in the finals. And I had that moment of.
The same feeling that I got whenI was on stage, but and even in
a different way, but of just something coming through me and
I was like, oh, like this, this is where I'm at.
Like this is full circle. And yeah, from that I like
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finished the training. I went to go back to London and
I started teaching straight away.
I was like, it gave me so much life and purpose and all the
things that I really hadn't had up until then.
And it still does. So I don't know if we've talked
about it before, but we might have.
But did you feel like this a lotof this energetic work and these
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experiences, you know, you use the word coming through you, but
I caught I, I heard like channelling.
So, you know, channelling is probably a more familiar word to
people in some ways. But like, what would you say
about that? The experience of being up there
and being able to transmit something unseen to some degree.
Peru as a facilitator. Yeah, I would.
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I would definitely describe it that way.
You know, when I used to, it's always to help me understand
looking back at being on stage at theatre, in theatre and being
like that's that was channelling.
That was why I felt that way in that moment, because I was Co
creating something. Something was, yeah, was being
channelled through me and to people.
(21:23):
And yeah, it just felt like what?
I'm here to do my work, but. But in a way not because the
words weren't mine. And, you know, someone was
telling me where to stand. And there's a there's a
contrived aspect to it. It is performance, right?
But then, yeah, with, with teaching and with this energy
work, it's completely different.It's like, Oh yeah, I am here to
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facilitate. I'm here to be a bridge between
something so much bigger than meand the people here.
And yeah, that that's my work. I'm here to to bridge this
energy, to bridge this experience, to hold the
experience. And yeah, it's, it's, it's
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insane. Like it continues to blow me
away. You know, Byron caught me up to
like sub last minute for a classand I, I was like, oh, OK.
Like I'd like not had time to like think through or do prep
that I would usually do. And I got there and I was like,
I'm trusting. I'm just fully trusting that was
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supposed to come through, comes through.
And it just did in a way that astounded me and, like, blew me
away. And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm not
in the driving seat of this. Like, I'm just allowing, you
know what? What's there to come through?
And yeah, I, I love that I get to do this.
I'm very grateful that there's unseen support.
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Yeah, that sounds great. I don't know how relatable some
of this stuff can be for some people, but maybe some people.
But to me, the way I hear it a little bit is this.
There's a certain, I don't even say a certain level, but there
needs to be a level of surrenderto allow this passing,
transmission, channeling, whatever you want to call it
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through. But I can imagine, hey, Aaron, I
need you to come teach empowerment in 12 hours from
now. Can you do it?
And you're probably like, there's probably some nervous
energy there, some low to mediumlevel anxiety to some degree
being like, oh shit, mental thought that might be kind of
like interrupting or condition patterns of like fear or
whatever that comes through. And I'm sure that is relatable
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to a lot of people. But then, and this is often what
we try to share with people is like, how do we let go of that
so that you can just be of service?
How do you surrender so that your authentic, this can come
through? And it sounds like that's
something that you were able to cultivate and kind of really
learn how to do overtime and practice, which is just to
surrender and trust that what's going to happen, what's going to
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come through you, what's going to, you know, through your
words, through your facilitationis going to be what it needs to
be. Yeah, I'd say it's exactly that.
Like, how can I get out of my own way, which I'm sure a lot of
people recognize and can relate to.
Yeah, like how? How do you know?
I was told this around acting actually.
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And you know, when I went through a phase where just out
of nowhere I would get stage fright and I, I grew up acting.
So it was, it took me by surprise that it just came from
nowhere. And the director said to me, it
was like, oh, you're, you're getting self-conscious because
you're thinking about yourself. And the way to get past it is to
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focus on doing something. And you know, I feel like
actually that's not so helpful because you know, there's so
much put on doing, you know, thedoing.
It's more the being like, but can can you just not be here as
like, I need to be focused on meand conscious of me, but can I
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just be here and that I'm going to be of service and show up and
hold the space and be present toit.
And if I do that and I'm focusedon others and their experience,
then I'm thinking less about, you know, what everyone's
thinking about me and more aboutwhat I'm here to.
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I'm going to not say do, even though that that's the thread.
I'm what I'm here to be. To be for people, yeah, whatever
that is. Yeah.
But yeah, there's, there's big time trust and surrender and
that's been a huge, huge unfolding and, and journey to,
to learn to do more of that. I've moments of great surrender
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that I feel like, wow, I've unlocked it and then all of a
sudden it's like, oh, I gotta somehow figure out how to go
back to that sometimes 'cause you know, life happens in ways.
So here I got a question for you.
How would you describe your teaching style in three words?
In three words, that's really hard.
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And then also why you can start with one at a time if you want.
Or try not to think about it toomuch and just allow a word to
come through and we can break itdown afterwards.
My teaching style, everything that motivates me, it always
comes back to love. Like how can I just be love?
Can I? How can I be love?
Teach love, hold love. So, so love.
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So love. OK, good love.
Capacity, capacity, capacity canhold, can hold a lot.
Like you're strong, like 500 lbsor.
Yeah, like capacity, yeah. Maybe it's the strength.
The strength factor, you know, my work is I feel to just hold
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the space so that people can show up and whatever they bring,
they can be with. They can feel like it can be
held within the space so they have a place where they can
breathe where they can B potentially feel safe to go a
bit deeper if that is what it shows up.
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Ultimately, no one is too much for you.
Yeah, yeah. Not found it yet.
You know, it's this level of like unconditional support, like
I yeah, I can hold it. That's probably not 3 though.
That's only two. Changing doesn't feel quite
right as the word. So transformation or I mean
growth, yeah, there's something shifting.
(27:42):
Yeah about it that could say my,you know, the classes that that
shift people, even if it's just oh, I'm glad I came to the class
today that that smaller shift. But I'm, you know, the first
thing I'm looking for is has thefront's nervous system, what's
the capacity? And then the second is 1 needs
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to move, one needs to change, totransform, to grow and how can I
help with that? OK, love capacity and
transformation with an hystericsof potentially another word.
I like it. So what's your favorite yoga
pose? My favorite yoga pose is camel
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pose. It's a big heart opener and I
feel like it's the quickest to show anything that's not loved.
Interesting. OK, OK, I'm a pose.
Definitely not my favorite. What's your favorite yogurt?
When I was asked this question Isaid puppy dog but at the time
(28:51):
when I was asked this question my my thoracic spine was very
very stiff and probably sitting in this chair so much.
But I've been practicing a lot lately and I realized that Nah I
don't really feel that anymore. So my usual ansil is triangle
actually. Kanga's a very underrated pose.
Yeah, just very expansive and. Yeah.
There's like inner energy but also expansive energy.
(29:12):
I just, yeah, I really like thatone.
Yeah, I mean, I love that. I love the poses, I love the
asanas, but they're tools, you know, They're not the yoga.
There's been a lot of people that have mastered A handstand.
Have they mastered the yoga? Has anyone?
I've not met anyone that's completed yoga yet.
Have you? I don't.
Know it's a never ending video game.
(29:33):
It feels like levels just never,it's just always another level.
So next question I have for you is based off of all this, you
know, we're getting a sense of knowing you a little bit more
of, you know, a very unique person that you are compared to,
you know, some of the other facilitators, you know, we've
talked about yoga asana and stuff like that, and we've had,
you know, breathwork teacher coming in.
(29:54):
And but ultimately, this energetic work is might even be
foreign for some people to be like, I understand energy, but
like maybe not like Aaron does. Sounds like Aaron really
understands, maybe even understands, but feels energy in
such a way. So this question is centered
around when someone walks into your class, one of your classes
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at the in movement, what do you hope that they get to experience
or feel after they walk out? I love that question 'cause I
think it's a, it's a felt experience.
You know, There's so much that we can see and experience that
(30:37):
way. And as we were mentioning a bit
earlier, you know, need to see, to believe.
And then there's things that we feel.
So I'd, I'd hope that they felt just the pure love of that.
They can show up exactly as theyare.
They don't need to be anything other than who they are right at
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that moment. They can leave anything that
they need to at the door and canchoose whether or not they want
to collect it on the way out. And I would hope they felt that
they were supported in unseen ways that they may not be aware
of and the shifts that can come with that.
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And, you know, when we're working on an energetical level,
we're working with the vastness of all the we are that all the,
you know, so much of what we areis not physical.
I quoted something, I don't knowhow accurate it is, but it's
like 85% energy, 15% physical matter.
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So when we're working with our energy, you know, we're actually
shifting our external world, youknow, when we shift the
internal, the external reorders itself around that.
And we're also working with things that are very real.
You know, we, we may not be connected to it or some may feel
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more connected than others, but that instinct of like, oh, like
I feel like someone's thinking about me or, you know, someone's
going to call me. I've got a feeling I'm going to
hear from this person or, you know, experiences that we have
had in our lives, like we carry them within our energy field
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and, you know, we can move them,we can transform them.
We can change that. We can shift our energy field
and that allows, in my experience, deep, deep, deep
transformation of of all that weare.
And you know, it's a gift to be able to to support that work,
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that energetical work. Because I feel like, yeah, to
me, it goes hand in hand with the yoga.
You know, the yoga's doing that anyway.
This is just an added an added filter.
And So what are you currently working on that is maybe for
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yourself or what like what are you most interested in right
now? Because you know, and obviously
energy is something that you areinterested in, but it's
something you've done a lot of. Is there something new or is
there something that something else that's going on in the
background for you? Like in terms of my personal
practice or? Yeah.
Like, what are you exploring or refining for your own practice?
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For your own facilitation? Maybe both?
I think maybe 2, I think maybe there's two questions there.
So the first, like my own practice, my word for this year
is joy. So how do I move at the pace of
joy? And I think when something that
you love becomes your work, there is like an element of
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losing that enjoyment. And like last year, my practice,
my work, it felt very, there wasa lot of inner processing, a lot
of reorganizing, transforming. And, you know, this year it's
felt like lighter and expensive.And yeah, they finding that that
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way of, of just still moving with that enjoyment.
And you know, what parts of myself kind of bring into my
practice, you know what, what else is new, what else is here?
And then on that, you know, I always come back to the teaching
that there really is only one ofus here.
So that when I see feel something that's like on a
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collective level, like, you know, this, the world is at war
right now and a lot of people are experiencing that, you know,
whenever separated from it. So then, yeah, I come back to,
you know, what's my own responsibility in that?
There's a story that I love about shamans.
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Have I got time for this? OK, so there's three shamans,
and there's a village, and they're suffering from a fire.
So they call in these three shamans, and two of them go
immediately to the fire, and they start performing
incantations to try and put the fire out.
And there's one shaman. She just goes, she doesn't even
go to the fire. She just goes into her tent and
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they're all working on this fire.
And then eventually, like suddenly the fire goes out and
they all know that it was her that did it.
And so they go to her and they said, like, how did you do it?
And she said, well, I went to the place inside of me that was
out of balance and I put the fire out there.
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And so, yeah, like what's my work at the moment?
Where am I at Woolworth myself? And where can I bring more
peace? Like, yeah, into my practice,
into what I share. Yeah.
And then to that end of, of, of what I'm sharing, like I'm, you
know, I'm, I'm flawed by this empowerment work and the impact
(36:21):
that it's had for me and, and the impact that it has in
people's eyes and like just a couple of hours sometimes.
So I'm honored to be able to be sharing this on a regular basis,
to be doing more workshops. And then yeah, with Angelic
healing, Angelic Reiki, I'm really grateful that I'm able to
(36:42):
be able to share this weekly andto be able to do more
intensives, more workshops. And then I think building
towards sharing, yeah, like deeper form work.
So retreats, trainings later in the year, I think feels like
things are like naturally flowing that way.
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And then, yeah, sharing more, more of my story, more of my
voice. It feels like a big voice, yeah.
I mean, the podcast is here for you as well.
I'm really excited about this. Yeah.
I mean, you, you have, you've opened some interests of mine
that is going to be like, I think I'm going to get Aaron
back on here to talk about some other things here.
This is mostly an introduction, but I feel like, you know, we
(37:26):
even got a bit deeper than that.So a teaser, if you will, a
teaser if you will. We'll bring it to a close.
So yeah, if people wanted to connect with you and they wanted
to just kind of learn more, ask you a question or anything like
that, obviously come to the studio and take your classes.
There's that's one thing. But also, if they just wanted to
reach out, what's the best way for them to do that?
(37:47):
Yeah, well, they can catch me onInstagram.
It's at Miss Erin Hayes. ERINHAYES.
Cool, and we'll have that in thenotes.
Just send me a message, Yeah. Love to hear from you.
Thank you so much for coming in,for the time, for sharing your
story. I'm sure there'll be more
opportunities to get more, so I'm thankful and grateful for
(38:08):
that. Thank you SO.
Much thank you to the listeners for tuning in this week.
Again, if you have any questions, you can reach out to
Aaron. That'll be in the show notes.
Of course, you can reach out to us.
Otherwise, come see us at the studio.
We're excited. It's been a long time that we've
been putting this together. So like Aaron and some of the
other facilitators, we're here to welcome and bring you into
the community. So we hope to see you soon.
(38:30):
Take care for now.
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