January 17, 2026 • 31 mins
In this episode of The Intertwined Life Podcast, by offering her personal insights from the first few chapters of John, Jenny offers encouragement for those on their spiritual journey of following Jesus. She emphasizes the importance of viewing faith as a continuous journey rather than a destination, encouraging listeners to engage deeply with scripture and to embrace their questions and doubts as part of their spiritual growth.
Throughout the episode, Jenny illustrates how Jesus's teachings can be applied to everyday life, urging listeners to share their faith stories. By emphasizing relationship over religion, Jenny aims to inspire a deeper connection with God and a more profound understanding of His word, ultimately guiding listeners toward a more fulfilling and vibrate daily walk with Jesus.
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Welcome to the Intertwined Life podcast.
I'm your host, Jenny Zenz. I am a wife and a mom on a
mission. I've got a passion to help women
discover practical ways to applythe power of God's word to our
everyday stuff. I truly believe that our walks
with the Lord should be seamlessly intertwined with our
everyday lives. It should affect every move we
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make and every breath we take. So come on, let's do life
together. You've got this because he's got
you. Hey friends, welcome to the
Intertwined Life podcast. We are in the midst of a series
we are calling Encouragement forthe Way.
And this is especially for all of us.
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Anybody who feels like you stillmight have a little bit to learn
about walking with Jesus. So hopefully we agree.
That's all of us. If we ever get to a point where
we think we don't have anything to learn, we probably need to
start from the beginning. But we're all walking on this
journey. And the way is what?
When Christ was here right afterChrist in that time period, they
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called it the way. It wasn't Christianity, It was
the way because it wasn't just being in one spot, it was way of
life. Are you walking in the way?
Are you following the teachings of Jesus?
The way that Jesus taught, the way that Jesus lived, the way
that he walked? And so encouragement for the way
means the way will not always beeasy.
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It's not easy. It's not meant to always be easy
because we get stronger when we go through challenges, but we
don't give up. And that flows into so many
areas of our life. But right now what I want to
look at is I've been encouragingeveryone to go through the book
of John very slowly and just reading a chapter a day and just
sitting with that. So what I'm going to look at
right now are just a few of my takeaways going to make this
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kind of short and sweet. You may have been reading
through the book of John and totally different things jumped
out at you or totally different questions.
And if so, that's fine. But I'm just going to show you a
few things and give you some real time example of partly how
I study and a few tools that really help you to go just a
little bit deeper each time if you are looking to do that.
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So 1st I want to encourage you, if you are going through the
scripture and you feel like you have more questions than
answers, that's OK. Just don't give up.
Just keep pressing in the only way we learn material like in a
class. I like to use algebra a lot
because I cannot stand algebra and it made no sense to me and
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no one can ever explain to me why.
Why? Why does Y equal MC squared?
Why? Because some old man says why
and so it would always drive me crazy.
I had so many questions in algebra, but I made an A in the
class, but only because when I didn't get it, I didn't just
walk away. I kept pressing into the
material. Now I don't remember it now at
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all because when I finished the class, I was done.
So the difference between our walk with the Lord is that we
can consistently be in the Word,studying His Word and learning
from Him. And then that starts to really
get ingrained in US and create those grooves in our minds so
that it really goes down deep. And so that as we'll see later
in John, Jesus, like he promises, the Holy Spirit can
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then bring to mind that the things that we have been
studying, the things that we have learned, the things that he
has taught us. So let's dig into the material,
press in and see what we can find out.
So here's a few takeaways for the 1st 5 or 6 chapters of John.
Just as I've been slowly readingthrough chapter 1.
I love how John starts this bookand he's telling us who Jesus is
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and that he is the Son of God and that he is the light of the
world, which was an Old Testament prophecy.
He was fulfilling that prophecy and he was the light that shines
in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
And if we put our faith in Christ, then that same spirit of
Jesus lives in US, which means the light of God lives in US,
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which means even when the hard times come and the darkness
surrounds us, we know that the light is in US and the darkness
cannot overcome it. So there's power in that, in
that I promise, just to hold onto.
And not only that, but another thing to note is that because He
is the light, when things come into the light, they become
exposed. And as we begin walking with
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Christ, we first begin digging and we first begin learning His
ways and His thoughts and what'shonoring to God.
We may feel like the more we tryto be close to Jesus, the more
we see all of our issues and theworse we feel.
But think about that. What comes to the light gets
exposed. So yes, there is a truth in
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that. As you draw closer to Christ,
you may see more things that arenot honoring to God in your own
life. But it's not in a way that's
like, how dare you come to me? You have no place here.
It's more like, hey, come on, I'm going to show you a little
bit of this, but it's OK, we canwork this out together because I
am the light and with me you canovercome anything.
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So think of it that way. It's this.
That's what we call the process of sanctification.
Salvation is that moment when you put your faith in Jesus as
your Savior and you say, Lord, even though I don't have all the
answers, I believe that you're the Son of God, that you died on
the cross for my sins to pay a debt I couldn't pay to be
perfection. You took my sins and gave me
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your righteousness so that I canbe in a beautiful relationship
with the perfect Almighty God. And when your faith is in Jesus
for that, the Spirit comes to dwell on you and bam, that's
salvation. That's the moment, but then this
process of what we call sanctification is that becoming
more and more and more like him and that is a process that never
ends. This side of eternity like that
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will continue because the more we draw closer to the light, the
more we will be changed into hisimage from 1° to another degree
In First Corinthians that says from glory to glory.
And I love that. So just hang in there.
You're going to see things, but you're not left alone to figure
them out. It's not a a condemnation, it's
a conviction that says, hey, let's work on this together and
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you will find your, your Savior,your loving Lord right there
walking along that path with you.
So that was what, verse 5 of chapter 1.
So maybe it's going to be a longer episode than I meant for
it to be. The next thing I find is this
humor. I, I see a lot of humor in
Scripture when I read it, especially when I think about,
you know, Jesus was a person andhe had a personality.
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And so when you look at the way he called Nathaniel, Philip went
to find Nathaniel. He's like, hey, I found this
guy. It's the Messiah.
He's from Nazareth. And Nathaniel says, can anything
good come out of Nazareth? And so as Nathaniel starts to go
to see Jesus, Jesus says, but while he's, you know, still
coming on his way, he's like, behold, an Israelite indeed in
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whom there is no deceit. And Nathaniel says, how do you
know me? You have to stop and see that
that is funny. He's Jesus kind of like gives
him this. Oh, and someone, there is no
deceit, which I think we all know there's a little bit of
deceit in all of us. And so it's like, oh, how do you
know me so well? It's like if someone said Jenny,
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a Christian in whom there is no wrong and she never lies, I'm
like, oh, how do you know me so well?
There's a little humor in that. And Jesus then turns Nathaniel
and says, I saw you before you came while you were still under
the fig tree. And then he's like, Oh my gosh,
you are the Son of God. And I think Jesus as he answers
him in verse 50, maybe he has a little bit of a smile, a little
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bit of a smirk, and he says, because I said I saw you under
the fig tree, you believe you will see greater things than
these. And I just love the thought of
that interaction, how Jesus is kind of messing with him a
little bit. And then Nathaniel was like, Oh
my goodness, he he even knew I was sitting under a fig tree.
He knows everything about me. And Jesus is like, that's
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impressive to you. You just wait.
You're going to see amazing things as we walk together.
So I just think that's pretty cool.
Another thing to note is if you look back in verse 12 of chapter
1, there are a lot of things that we feel are Christian
sayings and they sound good or they've become acceptable and
common not only in the church, but just in the world at large
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that we assume that's scripturally true.
But this might ruffle some feathers.
It's this whole term that, well,we're all God's children.
Well, let's put that straight. We are all as humans created in
the image of the Almighty God, and we are all given the
opportunity to be His child. The scripture says whosoever
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believes in Him will receive eternal life.
If you look at verse 12 and chapter 1, John tells us to all
who did receive him who believedin His name.
He gave the right to become fromchildren of God.
So who are God's children? It's those who believe on the
name of Jesus. So take that as you will could
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have just maybe shook somebody'sworld right now.
But but that's just the actual truth of that saying, all right,
verse chapter 2. I like verse 5 when he's at the
wedding feast for Canaan and Mary tells Jesus they ran out of
wine and Jesus is like, what is that to me?
My time to show who I fully am has not come yet.
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And Mary, Jesus says, Mama, she turns around to the servants
there and she says, whatever he says, you do it.
And we don't have all the details of what was happening in
Jesus's spirit and in that moment, but it ended up being
the moment where he got the OK, that this is the time to begin
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making it known who you are. So he turns to the servants and
this is his first miracle where he has them filled these huge,
huge jugs with water. And then he says, OK, take some
out and take it to the the master of the ceremony as if
you're giving him wine. And Can you imagine, like, these
servants could really get into some big trouble if they just
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fed some water out of the river in a drink to the master of this
wedding ceremony and we're trying to pass it off as wine,
but his mom and told them whatever he says, do it.
So they did it. And it turned out to be not just
wine, but the best. OK, So what is really cool here
is that we can apply this to ourown lives because we realized
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sometimes God might ask us to dosomething that doesn't seem to
make a lot of sense in our circumstance.
But I know he's telling me to dothis.
I feel this pulling and it just seems odd.
It doesn't seem to make sense that I know is what I'm supposed
to do. So those are those moments where
it's like just do whatever he tells you and trust him with
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those results. And sometimes his ways seem
strange in the moment but end upbeing so far beyond anything we
could ever imagine. So let's see what's next,
Chapter 3. Again, we see in chapter 3 about
the light verses 20 and 21, it talks about that the works will
be exposed. So that's another place where I
just like to say, do not let fear of your stuff being exposed
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keep you from drawing closer to the light.
So then I want to show you when I got to verse 36 in John
chapter 3, I had a moment where I was like, whoa, whoa, what's
going on here? It depends on the version of the
Bible you're using because as wetalked about before, the Bible
was not written in originally inEnglish.
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It was written the Old Testamentin Hebrew and the New Testament
in Greek. So sometimes when a word comes
up, it's not the exact translation of the original
word. And sometimes there's not one
exact word. If you've ever learned another
language, you know that sometimes there's a word in one
language that it's hard to find the exact translation.
Like there's a few words that mean about the same thing in
that language. So one of the tools I like to
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use is the strong concordance. And it's, it's old school, man.
It's been around a long time. And I used to, I think we used
to have the actual 1 and it was like this, like, I don't know,
30 LB book, you know, but now there's an app for that.
So you, I'm going to put a link in the show notes.
But you can get the Strong's concordance.
And when you do, you can pull upscripture verses and then you
can click on the words. They'll show you the reference
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next to these words in which theoriginal language.
And then you can learn what thatmeant and where it's used other
places to see, oh, that word is the same meaning of this word.
And even though in in our English language now we kind of
feel like, OK, let's look at theword awful.
OK, when we think of something is awful, a lot of times we
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think it is terrible. But that's not what it meant
before when it was translated toawful, it meant full of awe.
And the original Greek would have meant like, wow, amazing,
full of awe, but it got translated as awful.
And so God is not awful, terrible.
God is awful, like, wow, full ofawe.
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So that's an example of how someof those things happen.
So when I got to verse 36, I wasusing the ESV version of the
Scripture. So it's the English standard
version. And when I found this verse, it
says whoever believes in the Sonhas eternal life.
OK, good. Then it says whoever does not
obey the Son shall not see life,but the wrath of God remains on
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him and someone. But wait a second.
We don't believe that salvation is through our works.
So it can't be our obedience. It can't be like, OK, if you
believe in him, you're saved, but then if you don't obey him,
then you're not saved. Like it's either one way or the
other. And I got kind of like taken
aback by that verse. So what I did is I pulled out my
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Strong's Concordance app and I put in that scripture, John
chapter 3, Scroll down to verse 36.
And then I see first of all thatthe version used here, which may
be King James did not translate that same word as obey.
They translated it also as belief.
But what I learned was if I go and I look at that word that in
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the ESV was translated as obey, I can click it gives me the
little number right next to it to say this was the original
Greek word. The original Greek word is
apitheo. I may be saying that really
wrong, but about like that. And it means to disbelieve
willfully. And so it's non believing
disobedience by unbelief. So it really means not believe,
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but it could be translated as obey in that your disobedience
is your non belief. Does that make sense?
So it kind of helped me to realize oh OK, I see what's
going on here. And then you can look up other
places that is used in Scriptureand I can also go back and look
up the first term believe and the second term for not believe
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were two different words. And the original 1 says have
faith in with respect to a person or thing that is to
entrust especially one spiritualwell-being to Christ.
But then this other verse word that was used for the obey or
not believe, it still comes fromthat same root and it's a
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different word. But this one means not believing
disobedience by unbelief. So that helped me understand
that it wasn't opposed, it was actually two sides of the same
truth, if that makes sense. So these are just little ways
you can dig in. And I recommend doing that
because when you have questions,don't be afraid of your
questions. Just let them be something that
encourages you to keep digging. All right, so moving on, Chapter
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4. I love this scene and this
conversation that Jesus had withthe woman at the well and it
reveals so much about the way God operates in our world.
First of all, verse 4 says Jesushad to pass through Samaria.
And when you study the history and the context and I you can
usually look up if you have a study Bible, it will often talk
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about this section of Scripture and let you know there's other
ways you can find it too. But in those days, you did not
have to go through Samaria. In fact, the Jews avoided that
area more than like anything. They were half Jews, half
gentile, kind of like intermarried stuff.
It wasn't a pure bloodline. And so they weren't accepted by
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the Jewish people. And there was a real conflict.
And Jews just did not associate with Samaritans.
They didn't talk to them. They didn't go through Samaria.
And so one of the issues was in order to get from where he was
to where he wanted to go when heleft Judea, headed to Galilee,
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the straight line was through Samaria.
But the custom of the day was togo way out of your way, even if
it took another day or two to get there, so that you avoid
Samaria. So you didn't have to go through
Samaria. Jesus had to go through Samaria.
And of course, his disciples were probably like, we don't do
that, but he said he had to. And then we see him meeting this
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woman at the well. And there is no doubt that
Jesus's have to may look different than ours because he
had a divine appointment with this woman and he knew what he
was doing. So he's like, Nope, I have to go
there. They didn't see that coming.
And so I love just when you knowthe context of that, that he
said he had to do something and it's because he had a greater
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purpose. So also look at the Samaritan
woman, the woman at the well after she spoke with Jesus.
She was an outcast in the community.
She was not someone people listen to a lot.
She did not have all the answers, but she had this
encounter with Jesus and she took off into her city and she
started telling people what happened.
And then they came and saw him. And then the whole place
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believed and lives were forever changed.
And what we see there is we don't have to have all the
answers. We can just say what she said.
Come and see, just come and see.And if you've had an impact in
your life by Jesus, if faith in Christ has made a difference in
your life and you don't have allthe answers, but you want to
share what you've discovered, just Share your story.
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And when you start getting questions, just say just come
and see and invite them to church.
Invite them to dig into their Bibles to learn for themselves.
Hook them up with other people who have been walking with the
Lord longer than you have. But your job is just Share your
story and tell people come and see.
It's that simple. So I love that example that we
have there. And then this was really
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interesting to me. Jesus talks about worshiping
when they're talking about, you know, worship here, worship
there. When he's having this
conversation with the lady, the woman at the well, one of the
things that comes up is he says that God's true worshippers
worship him in spirit and in truth.
And there was something about that that has always kind of, I
don't know, it's like, what is that?
What does that mean? What does that mean?
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I don't know if I'm doing it, what does it mean?
So I know spirit when my faith is in Christ, then the Holy
Spirit of God is in me. And so if I am worshiping him,
my spirit is connected to the Spirit of God.
It is the same spirit. So I'm worshiping in spirit if
I'm a believer in Jesus. But what's the truth?
Well, for one, one thing that I thought that really hit hard for
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me is being a part of a worship team for a long time.
I have noticed that often times if people do not know what the
Bible says, if you don't know your Bible very well, you miss a
lot of the power of worship songs today because much of it
is just scripture. But if it's alluding to
something, if it is saying he takes down my giants, but you
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don't know the story of David and Goliath.
And not only the fact that not only did God embolden this like
12 year old little boy to go up against this 9 foot tall
Philistine and win with a slingshot, but not only that, if
you know that story, you know that when the rock left David's
slingshot, it hit Goliath in theforehead.
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And naturally, if you get hit inthe head, which direction are
you going to fall If you get hitin the forehead backwards,
Goliath fell forwards. So don't miss.
That was one of my favorite parts about that story and it's
so easy to miss. But he fell forward, that the
whole place would know it was God who did this.
And so I feel like when we know that type of truth, the truth
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being the word of God, then we can worship him in truth as in
who he is and know more of who he is when we know the truth.
So that's the first thing that jumped out at me.
But then as I began to use a fewmore of my tools and talk to
some other great, amazing women that I'm in a study with
currently, began to realize thatword truth, it's not
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capitalized. And usually if it was referring
to Jesus or referring to the word of God, it would be
capitalized. So doesn't mean I'm completely
off base, but maybe there's something else there.
So there is this other tool. It is so fun.
It's called Word Hippo. So you can go to wordhippo.com
or get the app and it's a reallyfun tool to plug in words and
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see what other words that could also indicate.
And if you go to Word Hippo and you put in truth some of what
comes up is words that mean authenticity, genuineness,
exactness, reality, correctness,honesty, legitimacy, trueness,
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accurateness. So basically, when we come to
the Lord and our spirit is worshipping His Spirit and we do
it without faking it, without trying to manufacture a feeling
we don't have, sometimes we're going to have so much joy that
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we just can't even hold still. And that is truth in that
moment. But if we come to the Lord and
we are broken, but we are comingto Him, pouring out all that we
are, in that instance our truth would not be jumping for joy to
fake it till we make it. Our truth would be presenting
ourselves exactly as we are. And what we also need to know is
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a lot of times we think worship means like the music you do
before the rest of the service, but that's not it at all.
Worship is presenting ourselves to the Lord openly and honestly.
That is worshiping God in first Romans chapter 12 tells us
present our bodies as a living sacrifice because this is our
true worship. Doesn't even say anything about
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singing. Singing is great.
It's a way to praise God and we can worship God that way.
But coming to him with a heart, I love.
If you listen to the last episode with worship leader
Brian Bolivar, he says worship is a heart posture of gratitude
directed towards God. I love that definition, but do
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that in spirit and do it in truth, presenting exactly who
you are in that moment. That is the true worship that
God seeks. And that is where He will meet
us, right where we are. He already knows how we're
feeling, what we're thinking anyway.
So, you know, it's kind of sillyto try to fake it and make him
think we're going to pull one over on God of the universe.
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I don't, I don't think so. So worship in spirit and in
truth, I love that line. And I love how studying those
gave me more greater knowledge of what that verse was conveying
and what God was conveying in that moment.
And just a few of my thoughts from chapter 5.
Man, when Jesus comes and he finds the man who has been lame
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at the pool of Bethesda for 38 years, Jesus comes up to this
man and he doesn't just heal him.
He looks at this man who's been laying there for 40 years.
And there was this there's, it'sa whole other thing that you can
study about the pool of Bethesda.
It's fun. It's a fun rabbit trail.
But it talks about that the angels would come and stir up
the water, which probably means that there was like sulfur
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bubbling fountains under the pool of Bethesda.
And so at times it would bubble up.
And when it did, we know that there are like Hot Springs have
some healing abilities and healing elements.
And so there's a chance that that's kind of what was being
experienced and that the people who could get into the pool
would have experienced healing or experience a massive
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improvement in their in their ailments.
So this guy's laying there for 40 years, 38 years.
And Jesus comes to him and he says, do you want to get well?
And you think, well, of course he wanted to get well.
When the guy says, you know, I've, I've been laying here for
38 years and I don't have anybody to help me.
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And I've heard Joyce Meyer talk about this scripture, and it was
really good. She's like, don't you think if
he really wanted to get well in 38 years, he could have wriggled
over to the edge so that he could fall in as soon as the
water is bubbled? I mean, there's some truth to
that. It's very interesting.
So that's something to think about.
But in my own life, I had a moment where God asked me this
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question, and it was when I began counseling with an amazing
woman who's such a life source to me, and she is my Christian
counselor. I've been seeing her since the
fall of 2020. Huge impact on my entire life,
my marriage, my parenting, my Peace of Mind, everything by
working with this beautiful, beautiful woman.
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And there was a moment when I realized, wait, anxiety and
depression and overwhelm, these have become my labels.
And even though I say I want to get better, if that's no longer
what I struggle with and what keeps me bound, then who am I?
And it's a strange dichotomy, but there's a lot of truth to
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that. And Jesus understood that.
And he understood that invalid is who this man was.
And so that was who he'd been for 30 years.
This was his label. This is I.
I'm weak and wounded and unable to to move.
And I'd lay here just waiting. But I am the man at the pool of
Bethesda. If I'm not, who am I?
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And Jesus says, do you want to get well?
And I think that's a great challenge.
That at first seems funny. But as we think about it, there
are definitely times where we'reasking God to deliver us from
something or break some chains off of us, but yet there's a
little bit of us. It's like, well, my security is
in that label. At least I know who I am.
So consider that. And maybe that's a question you
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need to sit with with the Lord for a while.
And you know, after he heals this man, verses 9 through 17 is
where we learn legalism and religiosity.
This is the difference between religion and a relationship.
The people, the Pharisees, the most learned men of the day, the
leaders of the faith, the Jews who had memorized the Old
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Testament when Jesus healed on the Sabbath.
So this happened on their Sabbath, on their day of rest,
and they had taken what God toldthem about the Sabbath and gone
so much further with and added awhole bunch of extra rules, like
how like you could not carry your mat.
So Jesus told him to pick up hismat and walk.
Well, you can't carry your mat on the Sabbath.
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What are you doing? Like that was too much you.
I mean, there were so many things you were only allowed to
walk a certain amount of distance that on that day there
was all these little extra things on top of God's command
to observe the Sabbath and to rest.
And, and Jesus is saying, and there's another place he says
man was not made for the Sabbath, but Sabbath was made
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for man. And he's saying, I'm honoring
God by doing the works of the Lord.
And you tell me I am breaking all of God's rules by healing
this man. He's like God has a relationship
with his people and this surpasses your man made rules.
And so that is why I don't like the term religious.
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I it makes me cringe if someone says, Oh, you're religious or
are you religious? Like, no, because I think of
these Pharisees. Religion is like man trying to
come up with all these ways to get to God.
Whereas Christianity following Jesus is a relationship.
It is God coming to us. And it's more about relationship
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than all these extra laws. So we have to be sure we don't
get so staunch in keeping rules that we don't notice or do the
actual works of God right aroundus.
So again, no religion, just relationship.
And then my last thought for this episode, in chapter 5 verse
24, Jesus says truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my
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word and believes him who sent me has eternal life.
He does not come into judgement,but has passed from death to
life. And I love just the simplicity
of Christ himself saying this ishow you receive eternal life.
If you hear my words and you believe in him who sent me, then
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you have passed from death into life.
And Romans chapter 6 tells us the wages of sin is death, but
the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So I love how we see scripture continuing to explain scripture
and how you can see it and connect all those dots in the
other books and realize this is 1 cohesive message about the
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good news of Jesus. So hopefully that's helping.
Hopefully that gives you a little thoughts of like some
things that jumped out at me. You may have had totally
different things jump out at you, and that's absolutely OK.
This is just an example of a fewideas.
I love doing this journey. I hope that you're on this
journey with me. If you haven't started, that's
fine. Just start today.
Just start reading a chapter a day and sitting with that with
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the Lord. Preferably get up a few minutes
early, find a spot, sit down, curl up, open your Bible and use
that prayer of David from the Psalms where he says, Lord, open
the eyes of my heart that I might behold wonderful things
out of your word and then read it.
And then just sit there for a few minutes and say, Lord, thank
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you for your word. Help me understand what I don't
understand. Show me what you want me to
know. And I believe that your word has
power and I'm just here. You don't have to make it make
sense. You don't have to to understand
all of it. You're not going to understand
all of it, but you can dig and you can learn and you can keep
digging and you can trust that God will continue to teach you
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and show you amazing things out of His Word.
OK, until next time, I hope everyone is doing well and I
will catch you later. Hey friend, if you enjoyed this
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Welcome to the Intertwined Life podcast.
I'm your host, Jenny Zenz. I am a wife and a mom on a
mission. I've got a passion to help women
discover practical ways to applythe power of God's word to our
everyday stuff. I truly believe that our walks
with the Lord should be seamlessly intertwined with our
everyday lives. It should affect every move we
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make and every breath we take. So come on, let's do life
together. You've got this because he's got
you. Hey friends, welcome to the
Intertwined Life podcast. We are in the midst of a series
we are calling Encouragement forthe Way.
And this is especially for all of us.
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Anybody who feels like you stillmight have a little bit to learn
about walking with Jesus. So hopefully we agree.
That's all of us. If we ever get to a point where
we think we don't have anything to learn, we probably need to
start from the beginning. But we're all walking on this
journey. And the way is what?
When Christ was here right afterChrist in that time period, they
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called it the way. It wasn't Christianity, It was
the way because it wasn't just being in one spot, it was way of
life. Are you walking in the way?
Are you following the teachings of Jesus?
The way that Jesus taught, the way that Jesus lived, the way
that he walked? And so encouragement for the way
means the way will not always beeasy.
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It's not easy. It's not meant to always be easy
because we get stronger when we go through challenges, but we
don't give up. And that flows into so many
areas of our life. But right now what I want to
look at is I've been encouragingeveryone to go through the book
of John very slowly and just reading a chapter a day and just
sitting with that. So what I'm going to look at
right now are just a few of my takeaways going to make this
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kind of short and sweet. You may have been reading
through the book of John and totally different things jumped
out at you or totally different questions.
And if so, that's fine. But I'm just going to show you a
few things and give you some real time example of partly how
I study and a few tools that really help you to go just a
little bit deeper each time if you are looking to do that.
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So 1st I want to encourage you, if you are going through the
scripture and you feel like you have more questions than
answers, that's OK. Just don't give up.
Just keep pressing in the only way we learn material like in a
class. I like to use algebra a lot
because I cannot stand algebra and it made no sense to me and
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no one can ever explain to me why.
Why? Why does Y equal MC squared?
Why? Because some old man says why
and so it would always drive me crazy.
I had so many questions in algebra, but I made an A in the
class, but only because when I didn't get it, I didn't just
walk away. I kept pressing into the
material. Now I don't remember it now at
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all because when I finished the class, I was done.
So the difference between our walk with the Lord is that we
can consistently be in the Word,studying His Word and learning
from Him. And then that starts to really
get ingrained in US and create those grooves in our minds so
that it really goes down deep. And so that as we'll see later
in John, Jesus, like he promises, the Holy Spirit can
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then bring to mind that the things that we have been
studying, the things that we have learned, the things that he
has taught us. So let's dig into the material,
press in and see what we can find out.
So here's a few takeaways for the 1st 5 or 6 chapters of John.
Just as I've been slowly readingthrough chapter 1.
I love how John starts this bookand he's telling us who Jesus is
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and that he is the Son of God and that he is the light of the
world, which was an Old Testament prophecy.
He was fulfilling that prophecy and he was the light that shines
in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
And if we put our faith in Christ, then that same spirit of
Jesus lives in US, which means the light of God lives in US,
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which means even when the hard times come and the darkness
surrounds us, we know that the light is in US and the darkness
cannot overcome it. So there's power in that, in
that I promise, just to hold onto.
And not only that, but another thing to note is that because He
is the light, when things come into the light, they become
exposed. And as we begin walking with
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Christ, we first begin digging and we first begin learning His
ways and His thoughts and what'shonoring to God.
We may feel like the more we tryto be close to Jesus, the more
we see all of our issues and theworse we feel.
But think about that. What comes to the light gets
exposed. So yes, there is a truth in
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that. As you draw closer to Christ,
you may see more things that arenot honoring to God in your own
life. But it's not in a way that's
like, how dare you come to me? You have no place here.
It's more like, hey, come on, I'm going to show you a little
bit of this, but it's OK, we canwork this out together because I
am the light and with me you canovercome anything.
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So think of it that way. It's this.
That's what we call the process of sanctification.
Salvation is that moment when you put your faith in Jesus as
your Savior and you say, Lord, even though I don't have all the
answers, I believe that you're the Son of God, that you died on
the cross for my sins to pay a debt I couldn't pay to be
perfection. You took my sins and gave me
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your righteousness so that I canbe in a beautiful relationship
with the perfect Almighty God. And when your faith is in Jesus
for that, the Spirit comes to dwell on you and bam, that's
salvation. That's the moment, but then this
process of what we call sanctification is that becoming
more and more and more like him and that is a process that never
ends. This side of eternity like that
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will continue because the more we draw closer to the light, the
more we will be changed into hisimage from 1° to another degree
In First Corinthians that says from glory to glory.
And I love that. So just hang in there.
You're going to see things, but you're not left alone to figure
them out. It's not a a condemnation, it's
a conviction that says, hey, let's work on this together and
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you will find your, your Savior,your loving Lord right there
walking along that path with you.
So that was what, verse 5 of chapter 1.
So maybe it's going to be a longer episode than I meant for
it to be. The next thing I find is this
humor. I, I see a lot of humor in
Scripture when I read it, especially when I think about,
you know, Jesus was a person andhe had a personality.
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And so when you look at the way he called Nathaniel, Philip went
to find Nathaniel. He's like, hey, I found this
guy. It's the Messiah.
He's from Nazareth. And Nathaniel says, can anything
good come out of Nazareth? And so as Nathaniel starts to go
to see Jesus, Jesus says, but while he's, you know, still
coming on his way, he's like, behold, an Israelite indeed in
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whom there is no deceit. And Nathaniel says, how do you
know me? You have to stop and see that
that is funny. He's Jesus kind of like gives
him this. Oh, and someone, there is no
deceit, which I think we all know there's a little bit of
deceit in all of us. And so it's like, oh, how do you
know me so well? It's like if someone said Jenny,
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a Christian in whom there is no wrong and she never lies, I'm
like, oh, how do you know me so well?
There's a little humor in that. And Jesus then turns Nathaniel
and says, I saw you before you came while you were still under
the fig tree. And then he's like, Oh my gosh,
you are the Son of God. And I think Jesus as he answers
him in verse 50, maybe he has a little bit of a smile, a little
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bit of a smirk, and he says, because I said I saw you under
the fig tree, you believe you will see greater things than
these. And I just love the thought of
that interaction, how Jesus is kind of messing with him a
little bit. And then Nathaniel was like, Oh
my goodness, he he even knew I was sitting under a fig tree.
He knows everything about me. And Jesus is like, that's
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impressive to you. You just wait.
You're going to see amazing things as we walk together.
So I just think that's pretty cool.
Another thing to note is if you look back in verse 12 of chapter
1, there are a lot of things that we feel are Christian
sayings and they sound good or they've become acceptable and
common not only in the church, but just in the world at large
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that we assume that's scripturally true.
But this might ruffle some feathers.
It's this whole term that, well,we're all God's children.
Well, let's put that straight. We are all as humans created in
the image of the Almighty God, and we are all given the
opportunity to be His child. The scripture says whosoever
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believes in Him will receive eternal life.
If you look at verse 12 and chapter 1, John tells us to all
who did receive him who believedin His name.
He gave the right to become fromchildren of God.
So who are God's children? It's those who believe on the
name of Jesus. So take that as you will could
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have just maybe shook somebody'sworld right now.
But but that's just the actual truth of that saying, all right,
verse chapter 2. I like verse 5 when he's at the
wedding feast for Canaan and Mary tells Jesus they ran out of
wine and Jesus is like, what is that to me?
My time to show who I fully am has not come yet.
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And Mary, Jesus says, Mama, she turns around to the servants
there and she says, whatever he says, you do it.
And we don't have all the details of what was happening in
Jesus's spirit and in that moment, but it ended up being
the moment where he got the OK, that this is the time to begin
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making it known who you are. So he turns to the servants and
this is his first miracle where he has them filled these huge,
huge jugs with water. And then he says, OK, take some
out and take it to the the master of the ceremony as if
you're giving him wine. And Can you imagine, like, these
servants could really get into some big trouble if they just
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fed some water out of the river in a drink to the master of this
wedding ceremony and we're trying to pass it off as wine,
but his mom and told them whatever he says, do it.
So they did it. And it turned out to be not just
wine, but the best. OK, So what is really cool here
is that we can apply this to ourown lives because we realized
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sometimes God might ask us to dosomething that doesn't seem to
make a lot of sense in our circumstance.
But I know he's telling me to dothis.
I feel this pulling and it just seems odd.
It doesn't seem to make sense that I know is what I'm supposed
to do. So those are those moments where
it's like just do whatever he tells you and trust him with
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those results. And sometimes his ways seem
strange in the moment but end upbeing so far beyond anything we
could ever imagine. So let's see what's next,
Chapter 3. Again, we see in chapter 3 about
the light verses 20 and 21, it talks about that the works will
be exposed. So that's another place where I
just like to say, do not let fear of your stuff being exposed
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keep you from drawing closer to the light.
So then I want to show you when I got to verse 36 in John
chapter 3, I had a moment where I was like, whoa, whoa, what's
going on here? It depends on the version of the
Bible you're using because as wetalked about before, the Bible
was not written in originally inEnglish.
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It was written the Old Testamentin Hebrew and the New Testament
in Greek. So sometimes when a word comes
up, it's not the exact translation of the original
word. And sometimes there's not one
exact word. If you've ever learned another
language, you know that sometimes there's a word in one
language that it's hard to find the exact translation.
Like there's a few words that mean about the same thing in
that language. So one of the tools I like to
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use is the strong concordance. And it's, it's old school, man.
It's been around a long time. And I used to, I think we used
to have the actual 1 and it was like this, like, I don't know,
30 LB book, you know, but now there's an app for that.
So you, I'm going to put a link in the show notes.
But you can get the Strong's concordance.
And when you do, you can pull upscripture verses and then you
can click on the words. They'll show you the reference
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next to these words in which theoriginal language.
And then you can learn what thatmeant and where it's used other
places to see, oh, that word is the same meaning of this word.
And even though in in our English language now we kind of
feel like, OK, let's look at theword awful.
OK, when we think of something is awful, a lot of times we
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think it is terrible. But that's not what it meant
before when it was translated toawful, it meant full of awe.
And the original Greek would have meant like, wow, amazing,
full of awe, but it got translated as awful.
And so God is not awful, terrible.
God is awful, like, wow, full ofawe.
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So that's an example of how someof those things happen.
So when I got to verse 36, I wasusing the ESV version of the
Scripture. So it's the English standard
version. And when I found this verse, it
says whoever believes in the Sonhas eternal life.
OK, good. Then it says whoever does not
obey the Son shall not see life,but the wrath of God remains on
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him and someone. But wait a second.
We don't believe that salvation is through our works.
So it can't be our obedience. It can't be like, OK, if you
believe in him, you're saved, but then if you don't obey him,
then you're not saved. Like it's either one way or the
other. And I got kind of like taken
aback by that verse. So what I did is I pulled out my
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Strong's Concordance app and I put in that scripture, John
chapter 3, Scroll down to verse 36.
And then I see first of all thatthe version used here, which may
be King James did not translate that same word as obey.
They translated it also as belief.
But what I learned was if I go and I look at that word that in
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the ESV was translated as obey, I can click it gives me the
little number right next to it to say this was the original
Greek word. The original Greek word is
apitheo. I may be saying that really
wrong, but about like that. And it means to disbelieve
willfully. And so it's non believing
disobedience by unbelief. So it really means not believe,
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but it could be translated as obey in that your disobedience
is your non belief. Does that make sense?
So it kind of helped me to realize oh OK, I see what's
going on here. And then you can look up other
places that is used in Scriptureand I can also go back and look
up the first term believe and the second term for not believe
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were two different words. And the original 1 says have
faith in with respect to a person or thing that is to
entrust especially one spiritualwell-being to Christ.
But then this other verse word that was used for the obey or
not believe, it still comes fromthat same root and it's a
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different word. But this one means not believing
disobedience by unbelief. So that helped me understand
that it wasn't opposed, it was actually two sides of the same
truth, if that makes sense. So these are just little ways
you can dig in. And I recommend doing that
because when you have questions,don't be afraid of your
questions. Just let them be something that
encourages you to keep digging. All right, so moving on, Chapter
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4. I love this scene and this
conversation that Jesus had withthe woman at the well and it
reveals so much about the way God operates in our world.
First of all, verse 4 says Jesushad to pass through Samaria.
And when you study the history and the context and I you can
usually look up if you have a study Bible, it will often talk
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about this section of Scripture and let you know there's other
ways you can find it too. But in those days, you did not
have to go through Samaria. In fact, the Jews avoided that
area more than like anything. They were half Jews, half
gentile, kind of like intermarried stuff.
It wasn't a pure bloodline. And so they weren't accepted by
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the Jewish people. And there was a real conflict.
And Jews just did not associate with Samaritans.
They didn't talk to them. They didn't go through Samaria.
And so one of the issues was in order to get from where he was
to where he wanted to go when heleft Judea, headed to Galilee,
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the straight line was through Samaria.
But the custom of the day was togo way out of your way, even if
it took another day or two to get there, so that you avoid
Samaria. So you didn't have to go through
Samaria. Jesus had to go through Samaria.
And of course, his disciples were probably like, we don't do
that, but he said he had to. And then we see him meeting this
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woman at the well. And there is no doubt that
Jesus's have to may look different than ours because he
had a divine appointment with this woman and he knew what he
was doing. So he's like, Nope, I have to go
there. They didn't see that coming.
And so I love just when you knowthe context of that, that he
said he had to do something and it's because he had a greater
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purpose. So also look at the Samaritan
woman, the woman at the well after she spoke with Jesus.
She was an outcast in the community.
She was not someone people listen to a lot.
She did not have all the answers, but she had this
encounter with Jesus and she took off into her city and she
started telling people what happened.
And then they came and saw him. And then the whole place
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believed and lives were forever changed.
And what we see there is we don't have to have all the
answers. We can just say what she said.
Come and see, just come and see.And if you've had an impact in
your life by Jesus, if faith in Christ has made a difference in
your life and you don't have allthe answers, but you want to
share what you've discovered, just Share your story.
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And when you start getting questions, just say just come
and see and invite them to church.
Invite them to dig into their Bibles to learn for themselves.
Hook them up with other people who have been walking with the
Lord longer than you have. But your job is just Share your
story and tell people come and see.
It's that simple. So I love that example that we
have there. And then this was really
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interesting to me. Jesus talks about worshiping
when they're talking about, you know, worship here, worship
there. When he's having this
conversation with the lady, the woman at the well, one of the
things that comes up is he says that God's true worshippers
worship him in spirit and in truth.
And there was something about that that has always kind of, I
don't know, it's like, what is that?
What does that mean? What does that mean?
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I don't know if I'm doing it, what does it mean?
So I know spirit when my faith is in Christ, then the Holy
Spirit of God is in me. And so if I am worshiping him,
my spirit is connected to the Spirit of God.
It is the same spirit. So I'm worshiping in spirit if
I'm a believer in Jesus. But what's the truth?
Well, for one, one thing that I thought that really hit hard for
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me is being a part of a worship team for a long time.
I have noticed that often times if people do not know what the
Bible says, if you don't know your Bible very well, you miss a
lot of the power of worship songs today because much of it
is just scripture. But if it's alluding to
something, if it is saying he takes down my giants, but you
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don't know the story of David and Goliath.
And not only the fact that not only did God embolden this like
12 year old little boy to go up against this 9 foot tall
Philistine and win with a slingshot, but not only that, if
you know that story, you know that when the rock left David's
slingshot, it hit Goliath in theforehead.
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And naturally, if you get hit inthe head, which direction are
you going to fall If you get hitin the forehead backwards,
Goliath fell forwards. So don't miss.
That was one of my favorite parts about that story and it's
so easy to miss. But he fell forward, that the
whole place would know it was God who did this.
And so I feel like when we know that type of truth, the truth
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being the word of God, then we can worship him in truth as in
who he is and know more of who he is when we know the truth.
So that's the first thing that jumped out at me.
But then as I began to use a fewmore of my tools and talk to
some other great, amazing women that I'm in a study with
currently, began to realize thatword truth, it's not
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capitalized. And usually if it was referring
to Jesus or referring to the word of God, it would be
capitalized. So doesn't mean I'm completely
off base, but maybe there's something else there.
So there is this other tool. It is so fun.
It's called Word Hippo. So you can go to wordhippo.com
or get the app and it's a reallyfun tool to plug in words and
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see what other words that could also indicate.
And if you go to Word Hippo and you put in truth some of what
comes up is words that mean authenticity, genuineness,
exactness, reality, correctness,honesty, legitimacy, trueness,
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accurateness. So basically, when we come to
the Lord and our spirit is worshipping His Spirit and we do
it without faking it, without trying to manufacture a feeling
we don't have, sometimes we're going to have so much joy that
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we just can't even hold still. And that is truth in that
moment. But if we come to the Lord and
we are broken, but we are comingto Him, pouring out all that we
are, in that instance our truth would not be jumping for joy to
fake it till we make it. Our truth would be presenting
ourselves exactly as we are. And what we also need to know is
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a lot of times we think worship means like the music you do
before the rest of the service, but that's not it at all.
Worship is presenting ourselves to the Lord openly and honestly.
That is worshiping God in first Romans chapter 12 tells us
present our bodies as a living sacrifice because this is our
true worship. Doesn't even say anything about
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singing. Singing is great.
It's a way to praise God and we can worship God that way.
But coming to him with a heart, I love.
If you listen to the last episode with worship leader
Brian Bolivar, he says worship is a heart posture of gratitude
directed towards God. I love that definition, but do
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that in spirit and do it in truth, presenting exactly who
you are in that moment. That is the true worship that
God seeks. And that is where He will meet
us, right where we are. He already knows how we're
feeling, what we're thinking anyway.
So, you know, it's kind of sillyto try to fake it and make him
think we're going to pull one over on God of the universe.
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I don't, I don't think so. So worship in spirit and in
truth, I love that line. And I love how studying those
gave me more greater knowledge of what that verse was conveying
and what God was conveying in that moment.
And just a few of my thoughts from chapter 5.
Man, when Jesus comes and he finds the man who has been lame
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at the pool of Bethesda for 38 years, Jesus comes up to this
man and he doesn't just heal him.
He looks at this man who's been laying there for 40 years.
And there was this there's, it'sa whole other thing that you can
study about the pool of Bethesda.
It's fun. It's a fun rabbit trail.
But it talks about that the angels would come and stir up
the water, which probably means that there was like sulfur
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bubbling fountains under the pool of Bethesda.
And so at times it would bubble up.
And when it did, we know that there are like Hot Springs have
some healing abilities and healing elements.
And so there's a chance that that's kind of what was being
experienced and that the people who could get into the pool
would have experienced healing or experience a massive
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improvement in their in their ailments.
So this guy's laying there for 40 years, 38 years.
And Jesus comes to him and he says, do you want to get well?
And you think, well, of course he wanted to get well.
When the guy says, you know, I've, I've been laying here for
38 years and I don't have anybody to help me.
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And I've heard Joyce Meyer talk about this scripture, and it was
really good. She's like, don't you think if
he really wanted to get well in 38 years, he could have wriggled
over to the edge so that he could fall in as soon as the
water is bubbled? I mean, there's some truth to
that. It's very interesting.
So that's something to think about.
But in my own life, I had a moment where God asked me this
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question, and it was when I began counseling with an amazing
woman who's such a life source to me, and she is my Christian
counselor. I've been seeing her since the
fall of 2020. Huge impact on my entire life,
my marriage, my parenting, my Peace of Mind, everything by
working with this beautiful, beautiful woman.
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And there was a moment when I realized, wait, anxiety and
depression and overwhelm, these have become my labels.
And even though I say I want to get better, if that's no longer
what I struggle with and what keeps me bound, then who am I?
And it's a strange dichotomy, but there's a lot of truth to
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that. And Jesus understood that.
And he understood that invalid is who this man was.
And so that was who he'd been for 30 years.
This was his label. This is I.
I'm weak and wounded and unable to to move.
And I'd lay here just waiting. But I am the man at the pool of
Bethesda. If I'm not, who am I?
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And Jesus says, do you want to get well?
And I think that's a great challenge.
That at first seems funny. But as we think about it, there
are definitely times where we'reasking God to deliver us from
something or break some chains off of us, but yet there's a
little bit of us. It's like, well, my security is
in that label. At least I know who I am.
So consider that. And maybe that's a question you
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need to sit with with the Lord for a while.
And you know, after he heals this man, verses 9 through 17 is
where we learn legalism and religiosity.
This is the difference between religion and a relationship.
The people, the Pharisees, the most learned men of the day, the
leaders of the faith, the Jews who had memorized the Old
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Testament when Jesus healed on the Sabbath.
So this happened on their Sabbath, on their day of rest,
and they had taken what God toldthem about the Sabbath and gone
so much further with and added awhole bunch of extra rules, like
how like you could not carry your mat.
So Jesus told him to pick up hismat and walk.
Well, you can't carry your mat on the Sabbath.
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What are you doing? Like that was too much you.
I mean, there were so many things you were only allowed to
walk a certain amount of distance that on that day there
was all these little extra things on top of God's command
to observe the Sabbath and to rest.
And, and Jesus is saying, and there's another place he says
man was not made for the Sabbath, but Sabbath was made
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for man. And he's saying, I'm honoring
God by doing the works of the Lord.
And you tell me I am breaking all of God's rules by healing
this man. He's like God has a relationship
with his people and this surpasses your man made rules.
And so that is why I don't like the term religious.
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I it makes me cringe if someone says, Oh, you're religious or
are you religious? Like, no, because I think of
these Pharisees. Religion is like man trying to
come up with all these ways to get to God.
Whereas Christianity following Jesus is a relationship.
It is God coming to us. And it's more about relationship
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than all these extra laws. So we have to be sure we don't
get so staunch in keeping rules that we don't notice or do the
actual works of God right aroundus.
So again, no religion, just relationship.
And then my last thought for this episode, in chapter 5 verse
24, Jesus says truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my
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word and believes him who sent me has eternal life.
He does not come into judgement,but has passed from death to
life. And I love just the simplicity
of Christ himself saying this ishow you receive eternal life.
If you hear my words and you believe in him who sent me, then
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you have passed from death into life.
And Romans chapter 6 tells us the wages of sin is death, but
the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So I love how we see scripture continuing to explain scripture
and how you can see it and connect all those dots in the
other books and realize this is 1 cohesive message about the
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good news of Jesus. So hopefully that's helping.
Hopefully that gives you a little thoughts of like some
things that jumped out at me. You may have had totally
different things jump out at you, and that's absolutely OK.
This is just an example of a fewideas.
I love doing this journey. I hope that you're on this
journey with me. If you haven't started, that's
fine. Just start today.
Just start reading a chapter a day and sitting with that with
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the Lord. Preferably get up a few minutes
early, find a spot, sit down, curl up, open your Bible and use
that prayer of David from the Psalms where he says, Lord, open
the eyes of my heart that I might behold wonderful things
out of your word and then read it.
And then just sit there for a few minutes and say, Lord, thank
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you for your word. Help me understand what I don't
understand. Show me what you want me to
know. And I believe that your word has
power and I'm just here. You don't have to make it make
sense. You don't have to to understand
all of it. You're not going to understand
all of it, but you can dig and you can learn and you can keep
digging and you can trust that God will continue to teach you
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and show you amazing things out of His Word.
OK, until next time, I hope everyone is doing well and I
will catch you later. Hey friend, if you enjoyed this
episode and you got some good stuff out of it, there's a few
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If you didn't like what you heard, just pretend it never
happened, OK? But if you would do a review for
me, just take a couple seconds and do that.
Not only would I be crazy excited, but also it would just
be a great way for us to partnertogether, for you to help this
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podcast be seen by more women out there.
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