In this final installment of the Encouragement for the Way series, I’m excited to share my conversation with Hadley Mussler. Hadley serves as the Assistant Director of Family Life Ministry at Rock Harbor. Friends, we were never meant to walk with Jesus solo. For this reason I was so thankful when Hadley agreed to sit down with me and talk about the importance of walking in Christian community.
In this heartfelt interview, Hadley shares her journey of faith, relationships, and community building, emphasizing the importance of living authentically and intentionally in Christ. Discover practical insights on how walking closely with Jesus transforms relationships and nurtures a supportive faith community.
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I never want to think when somebody's coming to me with a
problem, like, well, my problemsare bigger.
So I'm just going to give you a little bit of me, whoever comes
to you, like their problems at that moment are the biggest
things and they're confiding in you.
And so for me, it's like if you're living with humility in
your heart and gentleness in your heart and grace in your
heart and mercy in your heart, then you're able to express the
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genuine love and characteristicsof Jesus.
And I think that would be the the thing to me is like, if I'm
not living it where other peoplesee it first, then I shouldn't
be preaching it to someone else.Welcome to the Intertwined Life
podcast. I'm your host, Jenny Zenz.
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I am a wife and a mom on a mission.
I've got a passion to help womendiscover practical ways to apply
the power of God's Word to our everyday stuff.
I truly believe that our walks with the Lord should be
seamlessly intertwined with our everyday lives.
It should affect every move we make and every breath we take.
So come on, let's do life together.
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You've got this because he's gotyou.
All right, So Miss Hadley, welcome to the Intertwined Life
podcast and the next part of theGet This Part initiative.
Yeah, that we've been doing a series on the podcast.
I'm calling encouragement for the Way and it's really
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specially designed with our church family, Rock Harbor
Church in Melbourne Beach in mind.
But anyone who listens to the podcast has been following along
is just getting some encouragement for the way for
walking with Jesus. And we've been looking at this
year with our initiative at church Get Fit 2026.
And we started that just talkingabout there's so many different
ways to get fit, you know, in form, in faith, in friends and
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family. So it's relationally,
physically, mentally, spiritually, it's all
intertwined. Cheap plug, ha ha.
But anyway, pun totally intended, but I was excited when
you were willing to jump in herewith me and just have a casual
conversation about whichever aspect of that part of your
everyday life and combining it. Walking with Christ really was
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tugging at your heart. What God had you most passionate
about. South Hadley, for anybody
listening, whether they're part of our church family or not,
just tell us a little bit about yourself and your family and
what kind of brought you to thispoint where you are in your
life. So my name is Heather Mussler
and I will be celebrating 10 years of marriage this year,
which is so crazy with three kids.
I feel like I'm like 65 years old, but I'm not.
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But I have just been so blessed with Rock Harbor and just our
community because I moved here not knowing anybody.
My husband grew up here in Melbourne Beach his whole life.
He loved it. He kind of joked and said he
wanted to move back there, whichwas kind of funny.
Like when we first met, he was like, I'm never going to live in
my hometown. And then he saw my hometown and
he's like, yeah, I'm never goingto live there.
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So that's how we ended up here, which has been great.
We have a huge support system offamily.
His parents both live here. His grandparents live here as
aunt and uncle. And it's just really nice.
Like the family is like central and just solid here in
Melbourne, which has been awesome.
And then just the church like kind of forming was kind of a
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huge God thing because actually my father-in-law grew up going
to the Lutheran Church. And I remember I came with them
a few times for like Christmas and Easter to the services here.
And I was like, it just didn't feel like what I grew up in,
like my home church. So we kind of floated and
teetered around looking for our space and our community and our
church. And finally one day actually a
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family that played club volleyball, they were talking
about Rock Harbor. And that's how we ended up
coming. And we came like, I think it was
the very first Sunday of them using the church.
Oh, wow. So that was.
October of 2020. And if anybody's listening,
she's talking about the LutheranChurch, the church that Rock
Harbor now owns. The building we own and meet in
now was previously a Lutheran Church, and so that's what was
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meeting there at the time. And we started renting from them
until we did buy the building later on.
Yeah, the first service you guyscame.
I think it was like one of the first, maybe the 1st or the
second services and I just immediately was like, wow, this
feels like a really nice home. Like it feels really good.
And then I got to see my husbandget really involved to church.
And then Ivy, of course, was ourfirst and I think she cried
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every day for like a year going into the nursery.
But just seeing all the people love on our family without
knowing us was like a really like a breath of fresh air for
me because I hadn't felt that here yet.
Like I, I knew a ton of people, but I never felt like your word
intertwined. I never felt intertwined into a
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community. And so it was just really neat
to kind of get that from a church body and a church
perspective and a church family.And now here we are today, and
I've gotten to serve in youth, I've gotten to serve on the
leadership team, and now I get to serve in the children's
ministry. And it's just been such a
blessing. And you never know, like how one
conversation will lead to something so much deeper.
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And that's just something that Ilike.
I try to always remember when I meet new people or when I talk
to somebody for the first time or even for the fifth time, like
you never know how impactful that one conversation will be.
And so that's one thing that I've always been like super
thankful for with all the journeys that I've been on in
life. And that's how like my club team
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journey. I coached a club volleyball team
for a few years and ran a club volleyball team and you never
knew where those conversations would lead.
And that one family inviting us here got us plugged into such a
rich community of people, and for that, we're so thankful.
I love that. I love your, your thought about
that intentionality, about that one conversation because you
don't know. And tell me about this, do you
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think about when you're interacting with people?
Because it can be hard sometimesto not be thinking about the
next thing you know when you're running around and you're having
all these conversations and you especially now like working with
children's ministry at church, which has been a huge blessings
to Hadley's on on staff. And she's is it the assistant
director of children and family.It's it's.
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A funny little name. It's assistant family, assistant
director, family life or assistant family life director.
It's a cute little name, but I'mlike, I like to just say I'm
Angie's right hand man. Like, I'm here to help her
wherever she needs. Yeah, that's kind of my role.
Yeah, it's so true. Angie's the family life pastor,
and so it's kids and family. And Hadley has been this massive
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blessing to step into the role that she's in now.
She served on our leadership team also at the church prior to
that. And so to be in this role and to
be having all these conversations and interacting
with so many, sometimes in a very short space of time, like
Sunday mornings are crazy. But when you have those moments,
can you speak to what happens inside of you if you hold
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carefully the thought that one conversation can have an impact?
Is that something that you continually kind of keep in the
back of your mind as you're interacting throughout the days,
even in the busyness? And how do you make that?
Yeah, so I learned really young that like people's life are
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always happening. It's always happening in the
background. Like people are living a silent
battle, an out loud battle, whatever it is.
And I learned that if I kept what was like hindering me in
the forefront, I could never have genuine connections with
people. And so as I've gotten older,
working with teenagers, working in different groups, different
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environments, I try to really think about this person may be
facing something and I need to be here for them at this moment.
And so I don't know, I just feellike I've always been really
keen into trying to give somebody my full attention and
just my full heart versus just kind of being superficial and
surface level. And that's sometimes it's hard
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because then I'm like, oh, well,they probably think I'm a
weirdo, but you know, I'm just listening to them really deeply
or I try to remember things. And I was a hairdresser for many
years. That's how I paid for, you know,
college a little bit, yes. And I really enjoyed, like,
listening to my clients and liketaking a piece of what they said
and like kind of dwelling over it.
Like, man, you know, Miss Jane is dealing with this.
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And I'm going to write it down and I'm going to think about it.
And the next time she comes, I'mgoing to be really intentional
on asking it. And it wasn't just like, because
it was a part of my job. It was because when I was
younger, there was a lot of things that happened to my
childhood growing up. And I always had one or two
people who would really come andcheck on me.
Like they would almost go out oftheir way to be there for me.
And that stuck with me, you know, from then till now, like
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I, I want to be sure that somebody knows that somebody
else is thinking about them and somebody else cares what's going
on, even if it's like, oh, I gota flat tire.
Like, oh, well, how did you get your tire fixed?
You know, something like that. It, it goes a long way for
people's hearts, more than just their, their personalities.
So. Yeah, it's so good.
And it's something some personalities do better than
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others. I know it's something I have to
really keep in the front of my mind, you know, very cautiously.
And I don't do it well all the time because I'm fluttering from
one thing to the next thing to the next thing.
And to stop and realize, like you're saying, to make that
connection genuine, like I see you to know that I see you to I
try to remember names. I'm just getting harder and
harder, but to at least TuneIn to at least like look someone in
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the eye and you know, like the simple things.
I don't know about you, but I think about when you ask someone
how they're doing, most people just say fine but there is a
something going on or lack thereof depending on how they
really are feeling that you can catch if you tune into it right.
It's like that fine. Sounded a little less than fine.
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Right. And it's not for me, it's like
it's not going to be nosy. It's that like I'm probably
going through a battle too and Iwant to be there for you in
those situations. That's the thing that you know,
it's hard whenever you have those conversations, those quick
bite conversations with people, so.
Absolutely, and you do. Though just for the record,
Hadley's one of the most genuine, heartfelt You so are
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and it comes across so beautifully.
And goodness gracious, we know you have.
Now how old are the kids? And now I have a 7 year old Ida,
four year old ASA, and a three month old Mia.
So you're a little busy, get a job that is you're doing amazing
at. So yeah.
Oh yeah. And then there's the husband and
the whole dynamic. A lot of things.
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There's a lot of things. But you do, you come across so
genuine and so caring and it's beautiful.
I, I love to be around you. You light up a room, but you
also just make there's a presence you bring of joy and,
and lightness. And so even though we're all
going through things, there's still a way to carry that in
faith in Jesus and loading that onto him instead of feeling like
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we're carrying it and lugging iteverywhere we go and then
everybody sees us with. Our baggage, yeah, with our.
Heavy bags, Yeah. So tell me when we talked about
this and you initially said yes,I'll do an interview.
And my question was, whichever one of the areas of life of
getting fit and walking with Jesus and intertwining that is
on the forefront of your heart and mind right now.
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You mentioned relationships, correct?
Yes, so I put family in relationships.
I have a very, I don't skewed wouldn't be the word for it.
I have a very unique family dynamic.
I'm very close to some very family members and I'm a little
bit more distant to others. And it all stems from like
childhood and how it was broughtup and like thinking of
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boundaries and setting limits and things like that.
And so this year I just want to be, you know, I've gone through
the phase of my life where I've gone through the forgiveness
phase. So I've gone through that.
I've move past the forgiveness. I've kind of into the like, OK,
what's next? And for me, what's next is next
is like, you know, lines of communication.
How do I feel comfortable with lines of communication versus
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boundaries versus, you know, is this a repetitive thing?
And so I'm just kind of in this exploration phase of just
trusting the Lord with the relationships that are still and
will forever be my family, just how to how to kind of not
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necessarily rebuild those things, but maybe open the doors
to a future or two of what's next.
And then also just, you know, with my family, my personal
family, my children and my husband, like we have grown so
fast, so quickly and it's so quick.
It's just crazy to me to think like, this is our 10th year of
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marriage. And it's like there's things
that we talk about. And I'm just like, well, I
didn't even know that that is something that bothers you or I
didn't know that that's something that, you know, the
kids would think of. And so I just want to be really
intentional with my own family. Like, how do I root them better
in just everything? And I recently read a devotional
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about faith and how faith is an heirloom.
And I just thought it was so beautiful.
Like to think about, you know, my grandmother passed that down
to me. She had me at church every
Sunday. She really like anytime I was
going through something, she's like, what did you pray about
it? Or did you talk to God or, you
know, what have you read in yourBible?
And I was like, Mimi, I don't, Idon't want to hear that.
I want to know what is wrong with me.
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And so and then, you know, my aunt and I are really close and
she's a pastor's wife, of course, a Southern Baptist
pastor's wife. And so she always speaks a lot
of life into me and I just thinkabout the beautiful relationship
that I have with those two womenin my life.
And I want to be that for my children.
And you know, my sisters, I havethree younger sisters.
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I have sister in law's now. I have, you know, my
mother-in-law. I have all the family that I
have just I want to be able to be somebody that they think of
that passes down that that faithto them or empowers them in
their own faith. And so that's just one.
Feel good. Yeah, that's so good.
You mentioned several like big words in there.
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I heard boundaries, forgiveness,intentional like these are
powerful words. But one thing I want to go to
1st as a as like a little soapbox moment.
You mentioned hearing these things from your grandmother and
probably your aunt when you werea teenager and being like OK,
OK. And now you look back and you're
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like, thank goodness they passedthat along.
And I remember those things. So, yeah, give, give some
encouragement to, you know, to all of us as we raise kids and
we go through these times where we want to keep mentioning turn
to the Lord, turn to the Lord, take it to God.
You know, don't forget to pray. But we know that it's annoying
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the crap out of our kids. Yeah, well, I will say like
there were a couple key influential women in my life,
obviously my grandmother, my aunt, and then I had a like a
mentor type person growing up and she they all would just kind
of reinstate like biblical truthto me.
And in the moments, like I definitely absorbed it, but it
was like when you have a sponge and it like barely absorbs and
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you just see it sitting in the sink and it's like slowly
seeping out. Like that's how I kind of felt
my life was for a long time. And as I became a mom myself, I
realized like I really needed that immersive experience and
like I really needed to understand what I was hearing
and what I was being told. So for me, it's like if I could
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pass one thing on to, you know, the moms that are telling their
kids right now in this moment, like they hear you, like I heard
them, We're taking it in. And in those moments of darkness
and despair, like those were thefirst things that came to my
mind. Like the verses that my
grandmother would tell me or my aunt, Like that was the first
thing that would pop in when I would have those moments of
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like, I can't do this anymore asa, you know, 16 year old or 20
year old, like, you know, those first couple months of marriage,
like those things that were instilled in me and repeat
repeated to me and prayed for over me.
Like I felt that more later, like more in those moments.
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Then I know my grandmother probably was like, I'm just
saying all this and it's not getting through to her, you
know, but it it definitely did. So don't, if I could say one
thing like don't stop saying it to your kids, even though you
can tell your kids are like tuning you out because they're
really not. And it's funny because I can't
even notice that with Ivy. Like Ivy is my little, you know,
tweenager and she has her own little mind and she will say
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things. And I'm like, you were just
yelling at your brother and now you're telling him about Jesus,
like what what is happening? And so it's kind of funny And
it's like, I just think of something my mother-in-law says
when we talk about verses for our kids and stuff.
It's just like raise up a child.And so I think about those
things and I think about, OK, ifI'm just intertwining it or if
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I'm just, you know, making it natural, a very organic
conversation and relationship, then my kids are going to feel
that more than me, like postering versus all over or
making them do a nightly, you know, we do a nightly
devotional, but making them do something that feels like it's a
task. So I try to just make it really
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organic and, you know, trying tomake it a better, do a better
job of just living it versus just preaching it to them.
And that's what I think got through to me the most is those
people who were influential, like my grandmother and my aunt,
you know, my mentor, They truly did just live a humble heart.
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And that's one thing that like, as I've gotten older, I read the
book The Lowly and Humble, or Gentle and lowly, that one.
Yeah, and I just I'll link it inthe show notes.
I know the one talking about. I actually.
Just yeah, it's such a good book.
And I just think about in that when you think about the main
verse, Matthew, it's talking about like taking the yoke.
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And when you think about the yoke, like you don't just do it
by yourself. You have to have somebody else
helping you. And so if you're always walking
with the Lord beside you, like caring and taking that extra
weight off, then other people are going to see that.
And it's not something that feels like it's scripted or man,
you know, it's just organic and natural.
Yeah. Just one thing.
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Well. That's like exactly what I was
going to say. Like, so my question for you is
because it has to come from the overflow.
You know, we can, we can say these things to our kids or our
grandkids or whoever. But if we're not living in a way
that shows that we also believe that.
And then we're also practicing that it doesn't hold a lot of
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water because, you know, kids are really smart.
They can see. Oh.
They read it. You know, yeah.
So how do you keep yourself spiritually fit so that what you
do share with others comes out of the overflow and not out of
like? Yeah.
Repetition of what you've heard others say, but it's genuinely
out of what's in you, yeah. Well, I think it's, I think it
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kind of goes back to that verse,like just kind of walking with
the Lord, like doing this together with the Lord and
living a truly humble, like living with humility, like you
never, I never want to think when somebody's coming to me
with a problem, like, well, my problems are bigger.
So I'm just going to give you a little bit of me like that's
good. Those people, you know, whoever
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comes to you, like their problems at that moment are the
biggest things and they're confiding in you.
And so for me, it's like if you're living with humility in
your heart and gentleness in your heart and grace in your
heart and mercy in your heart, then you're able to express the
genuine love and characteristicsof Jesus.
And I think that that's the mostthat would be the, the thing to
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me is like, if I'm not living itwhere other people see it first,
then I shouldn't be preaching itto someone else.
So that's kind of the hard part.When we do make mistakes, it's
like, Oh my gosh, I'm someone's,I'm going to be discredited.
No one's going to believe me. No one's going to love me, you
know, that kind of thing. So yeah, just making sure that
you are embodying the full characteristics of Jesus and
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like really showing a genuine commitment to how.
Others should be treated and then of the Lord.
That's good and always pointing to him and as the source of our
strength instead of ourselves. I look what I'm doing because to
your point, when we do mess up, we don't want them looking at us
because we want to rely on thoseverses where the second
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Corinthians 12/9 in our weakness, his strength is made
perfect and other scripture where he tells us he chooses the
weak and foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
And so it's like, no, no, this is what's happening right now.
That's me, you know, and it's like, I'd rather they keep
looking to him. And so even when we're we're
strong spiritually and we're doing well, keep deflecting, you
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know, every all the attention back to him.
I must decrease that he would increase, you know, so that when
we mess up, we can just like I know I'm a mess.
Isn't it amazing God still uses me?
Yeah, absolutely, yes. So true.
That's so good. So do you have like a regular
quiet time? Is that like a a structure for
you that is regimented or built into your rhythms and all of
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that, or how does that? Work for you right now in this
stage. I'm I am such like I'm an all
over the place kind of person and I joke and say that I have
my office hours in the car. So I do a lot of listening.
I listen to a lot of podcasts, But for me it's like I don't
like to live in a box. I I don't, I love structure and
I love, you know, setting thingsup, but I started devotional and
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then two or three days in I'm like, Oh, this one sounds better
or Oh, this is speaking to me more.
So I kind of just kind of live vicariously through whatever the
Lord is leading me in. So I like to listen to a lot of
podcasts. I listen to a lot of just books
on tape, things like that. And sometimes I'll just turn on
those U-verse, the Bible app. You know they have.
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Like 3 day studies and I'll justlisten to a three day study on
my way to and from work or on myway to the grocery store.
But usually it's something that kind of jumps out at me and
sometimes it's things where I'm like, OK, I don't really need to
listen to something on mercy today or you know, I'm not
feeling this way, but I listen to it and it pulls something out
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of me that I didn't think about.Or I'll listen to it and I'll
have a conversation with somebody else and I'm like, Oh
my gosh, I just heard this verseor I just heard someone say this
quote and it we really found I found comfort in it.
Maybe you find comfort in it too.
And I like to do that because I just feel like whenever I kind
of key in on to what the Lord isleading me to do, then I feel
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closer to him versus what I findon the top chart, then I'm like,
well, this is what everybody's reading.
And we can't all need something about peace.
It's just, I don't know. I do.
I try to, you know, spend a goodamount of time throughout the
day doing something related to listening to the Lord.
But I try to just make it a veryorganic.
Yeah. Like that, it's like, you know,
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it's like Deuteronomy talks about as you walk along the way
and when you rise and when you go to sleep.
Like it, our relationship with our Lord is not just like the
1st 20 minutes in the morning. I mean, that's powerful, but it
really is a continuing relationship and conversation
throughout our day. And so that's where the
intertwined life comes from, youknow, that it just interweaves
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into everything we're doing. So this is great.
I, I kind of sidetracked you. So I want to jump back to
relationships, but talk a littlebit more about how your walk
with the Lord and the closer you've drawn to him has impacted
relationships, the, the good ones and the, and the tough
ones. And then also maybe as you go
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in, you talked a little bit about boundaries and
forgiveness. If you want to unpack that a
little bit, especially in light of the closer you walk with the
Lord, how you see those things playing out.
I know when I think about the boundaries comment that I made,
I really think about just kind of living.
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Let's see how I would put it. I so I became very kind of
closed off just because I felt like if I didn't let it in, then
it didn't bother me or didn't affect me.
And as I've gotten older, I think about like all these deep
relationships that I have with other people.
And I'm like, you know, it's notthat I have to have a very close
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relationship. I'll, I'll just go into my, my
mom for a second. Like my mom and I, we, she came
to my wedding. We didn't talk for several
years. When I was a teenager, we had a
big falling out. She struggled with some
addictions and it just kind of became, well, if you weren't
this like Hadley, if you didn't do this, then I wouldn't be this
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way. And I kind of felt like it was
my fault as a kid. Like I came my, my mom and dad
were divorced. They, you know, were separated.
My mom remarried. She kind of had three other
children. So I kind of felt like outskirts
growing up. And then she had a big accident
and it caused her to fall into some deep, dark places and she
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began to struggle with really dark addictions.
And in those moments, it was like, I just kind of wanted my
mom. I was in like a very pivotal
time of my life. Like I was right as a teenager
and I just kind of wanted my mom.
And so it kind of became this like, well, you don't need me,
you don't need me, you this, youcan have all these other things.
You don't need me. And so I kind of put up a
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boundary in love and I kind of said, well, I obviously am
unlovable. Like I'm just, you know, I can,
I, I'm not going to have these deep relationships with anybody
because I don't have this deep relationship with my mom.
So I just kind of found all these service level
relationships and I tried to find like service level love
from wherever I could. And so as I got older, I
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realized, like, that's not normal.
Like that's not right. Like it shouldn't be what I'm
doing. And I ended up, you know,
obviously meeting AJ and findinga really deep love there and
like, getting married. And, you know, I found that I am
lovable and I can be cared for and somebody does love me
through my flaws. And so that was just like, one
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thing where I felt like a wall kind of came down.
And then I became a mom and I kind of thought back to my mom
as a mom. And I was like, man, I just I
don't want to do anything wrong.Like I don't want to do.
I don't want to make any of my children feel less than loved.
I want them all to feel the samelove.
I don't want to be the screamingparent.
Like I don't want to be the parent who, you know, doesn't
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give my kids everything that they want.
Like they I need them to have everything.
I need our life to look perfect.We always need to be polished.
And so I created this boundary, this like wall around my family.
And I thought, OK, we have to doall this because if, if I make
one mistake, I'm going to turn into this version of my mother
that I don't want to become. And after a few years, like I
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finally opened up to somebody and I was like, I just, I need
to let these walls down. I need to let these boundaries
down and motherhood because if Idon't, I'm always going to be
this uptight palm. And I started to do that.
And you know, it's I felt that kind of crumbling down.
And then now I'm getting into seeing my kids be siblings and
love each other and fight with each other and have fun.
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And I think about like, I don't have that close relationship
with my siblings anymore becausewe all have grown and gone
different ways. So one of the things that I am
working on, I'm in my walk this year is just kind of like
reassessing what is a boundary and what is just guarding my
heart versus how can I, you know, open up and still know
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that people are going to fall short.
You know, the relationship is never going to be perfect, but
how can I have a faithful relationship with those people
and show them that they are loved and they are worthy.
And, you know, it's not me that has to judge what happened.
Like, you know, if I experiencedit, but at the end of the day,
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like I'm not the person to say you did so wrong because had
those things not happened to me,I wouldn't be the person that I
am today. And so I just find like the
beauty in kind of like coming out on the other side of these
things. And I try to think about how how
can I change the future and forget about what happened in
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the past. And I feel like it's always kind
of a constant battle because I feel like I did kind of do this
in the past. Like I tried to have that
rebuilding and restoration moment and it didn't happen.
And now I've kind of, I'm kind of going into it with a
different perspective of like, I'm not expecting this
relationship to be fully restored, but being able to have
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a conversation and being able tojust be filled with just an
okayness of peace about what it is, is more of what I'm looking
for. Yeah, yeah.
So that's good. Like an.
Acceptance. That doesn't mean, and I think
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this kind of goes to the forgiveness thing, forgiveness
doesn't mean we're saying it's OK Forgiveness means we're
laying it in God's hands. We're releasing it, you know,
And so with that, there's a freedom and a lightness in
ourselves because then we're nottrying to carry it any longer.
We're not trying to make someonepay or to make ourselves OK or
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to make it right. We're literally saying I forgive
you. I'm releasing whatever needs to
happen to the one who judges rightly, to the one who's
gracious and merciful, and the one who loves us both.
I'm no longer going to carry theright What you.
You know what you've done, or how.
I was hurt with me all the time,you know that right?
Is that kind of how you? Yeah, No, that's, yeah, that's
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definitely. I've I've felt that several
times. Like I feel like I've gone
through the stages of forgiveness and moving forward.
And then it's like, it's like those circle moments where you
try to make them. You can't make somebody else
feel the way you feel or can't make them understand how you
feel. And so for me, it's like I'm
working through all these moments and I'm getting to this
point where I have unpacked it, I have let it go, I have
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released it. But now I need to build the
relationship enough where that person also does the same so we
can move forward. Because it feels like when you
have relationships, especially with family, and you do have
that bitterness or that hurt in your heart, it's like, well,
yeah, we've both forgiven each other, but we're still carrying
something or somebody's carryingsomething.
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And it leaves that little wedge that continues to kind of drive
in between the family members. And then it is awkward when you
go to family events, like, I've moved on.
I've gone five years past that moment, but you're still stuck
in, you know, 2012 or whatever the year was.
And that's one thing. Like, I feel like it's hard for
any family or any, any person. Like you have those times where
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maybe you get in a tiff or maybea big situation blows up or
something happens and one personmoves on with forgiveness and
genuine, like, OK, I've given you grace and I've given myself
grace and I've turned it over tothe Lord.
But the other person says, well,I've done that too, but they're
still living in that moment. And it's like, well, I'm 10
years past it or I'm five years past it.
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And so that's the part where I'mlike, OK, how do we find the
forward? That's good.
The wrestle is real. You know the struggle is real.
Relationships are real. Hurt is real and, and we don't
necessarily just get to where nothing bothers us.
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So I, I have the most amazing Christian counselor and one of
the things that she constantly says to me is because I've been
with her for five years and I feel like I should be beyond
whatever, you know, these things.
And I'm so, so much better than I was when I first started
meeting with her. It's been amazing the things
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that the Lord has unpacked and healed and and used her in my
life. But when something comes up and
I get frustrated with here I go again.
She she always says this and I hear her voice like I feel like
the Holy Spirit now uses her voice because sounds like her
when he talks to me sometimes. But she will say, is your
expectation that you will never feel this way again?
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And it's like she's right. Just because I have forgiven or
just because I have done the work and healed and moved on
doesn't mean the feelings of frustration, hurt, bitterness,
overwhelm, whatever it is, won'tkeep popping up.
The feelings may still come, butnow what we have are tools to
deal with those feelings. We have choices of how we're
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going to respond as opposed to react, you know?
And so as we walk closer with the Lord and we continually give
things over to Him, and the scripture tells us to be
constantly renewed in the spiritof our minds.
And I always say, Paul wouldn't have said that if you didn't
know our minds would be constantly getting messed up.
You know, it's not a one and done thing.
And so, yeah, those feelings, the expectation is not that
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we're never going to feel these things again.
But I'm moving past and I know I'm healing more and more when I
don't stay in that feeling and stay in that pain, I can more
quickly than usual, more quicklythan I used to.
Things that used to keep me beenout of shape for months now.
Maybe I only need a couple hours, you know, and that is a
process. There's actually a really good
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book that I'll put a link to. It's called emotionally immature
parents. And it's it's just a really good
book for a a lot of relationshippast, you know, things and and
lenses to see people through. But I'll link to that in in the
show notes because it does help.It does help sometimes to gain
perspective and in our own way we all have areas of emotional
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immaturity and struggle. And so it's very helpful to kind
of peel the winds back a little bit and and that looks a really
good resource for that anything.Else about.
Intentionality in relationships.What about like friendships,
marriage? You know, how how getting fit,
how walking with the Lord impacts those as well?
Yeah, I mean. For me, it's been such a
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struggle here in Brevard County to find friendships.
Like, I just feel like I have found so many people that I love
so dearly, but it's like, well, I'm so busy.
I don't have time. You know, it's me, not them.
Like, they're always like, oh, let's do this.
Or, you know, do this group or do that group.
And, you know, you find it and you do it, and then you commit
to it. And then it's like silence, but
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on my part because I am so busy.And so this year I'm really
trying to be intentional with the friendships that I've built
to really kind of dive into those and like get to know the
person deeper and get to know them more and better like that.
And then also I've really tried to work this year on community
building a community of just people around because we do have
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such a big community of our church, But it's like I kind of
joked one day. I'm like, we all, we all live in
the community, we're all outside.
It's like the people standing. If you remember, like back in
like, I don't know what was the 80s around the world and like
the people are like standing on the world.
So I think about how we live in that community.
We're all like standing on the world.
But it's like if we just immersed into this a little bit
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more and got to know each other a little bit more, like what
would that do for us as. And I think the world is just
kind of like a really unknown scary place right now that
everybody has opinions about everything.
And I feel like people like, it's OK.
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Like people almost think, well, if they have an opinion, then
I'm gonna have an opinion about their opinion.
And it's like, no, that's not how we live.
Like we are OK with everybody having differences of opinions.
And so that's one thing, like I'm trying to work on
diversifying my community, if you will.
And. Not being comfortable with being
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like in solidarity or like in, in, in loneliness, I guess
because I'm OK with just living in my bubble and I want my
bubble to get bigger or I want my bubble to meet this bubble.
It's just kind of funny, but. It's funny, I joke.
I see I'm I'm a very introvertedextrovert.
Like I'll talk to anybody for the longest time, but then it's
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like crickets on the follow up. And so I want to do a better job
of the follow up this year. I totally get it.
That's. That's good.
That's good. And, you know, just a, a, a word
of advice. Don't try to work on 10
friendships. Pick 2, two or three.
Yeah. That's what I got.
I got two or three. Yeah.
We have time for two or three. Yeah.
You know, just pick a. Couple that you feel most
connected with and go deeper, you know I mean quality time
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matters and sometimes it's like,well it's quality over quantity
Well quantity does matter like quantity matters because it's
only in spending time together in in just everyday life and
it's the same thing with our relationship with the Lord it's.
Well, it's it's quality over. Quantity.
Yeah, Some days you're going to have more quality focus than
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others, but if you spend every day just connecting throughout
the day, it's going to build a much deeper, stronger
relationship, you know, And so it, it does, it takes being
casual in our relationships withothers sometimes and just
showing up and being OK with it not being perfect or planned or
ideal or, you know, or whatever.Sometimes we just have to work
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around with what we got That's really good.
That's good. All right.
Anything else on relationships and and stuff that when I sent
you this originally, was there anything else that really rose
to the surface that you were thinking and wanted to share
that we have not touched on? I don't think so.
I. Don't know.
I think, I think I've hit it allpretty much.
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Good, Good. No.
This. Is really good.
So I'm really glad you did this with us.
And I'm, I think it's important for us to stop and think about
relationships past, present and future.
And I kind of feel like that's what you're doing.
You know, you really wrap that up your relationships and
walking closer with the Lord is helping you with relationships
in the past that you are workingon, whether it's working on them
getting better or being able to release what's not going to get
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better. And then also in the midst like
you're present with your husband, with your kiddos and,
and being in the relationship that you desire and that God
would desire for that. But then also you're looking
into future as in community and growing those friendships and
those people to walk and do lifewith.
And so as we draw closer to the Lord, he also wants us to draw
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closer to others and to have relationships and community that
are honoring to him, but helpfulto us too.
You know, so I think you're doing a beautiful job there and
you're also helping us at Rock Harbor Church to create
communities in a beautiful way. And I love how you're a
connector and part of part of that great work.
So I always wrap up my interviews on my regular podcast
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with the same questions. And so I'm going to throw just a
couple of those at you. The first one is, do you have a
life verse or a verse that is especially bringing you life
right now? I actually wrote, I wrote a
couple things down because I, I have so many, so many things
that I think of, but I think formy life verse, something that I
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kind of always go back to is just Jeremiah 31 that I've loved
you with an everlasting love. And I think it's just really
important to Remember, Remember that always because like
everlasting is like never ending, never going to stop no
matter the what you've done or what you even thought of doing.
Like it's just something that iseverlasting.
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And I feel like to me that speaks just on so many areas of
my life. And then just to also extend
into that, like it's a continuedlove and continued faithful
love. And that's something that is
just really important to me to always remember.
Like there is something greater beyond what is the now.
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For me, and having that verse isreally nice.
That's good. That's.
Really good, so powerful to always be able to go back to
that, you know, when the little annoying voices in our heads or
you know, the scars from the past come back to just go back
and like, God, I have loved you with an everlasting love.
That's beautiful, all right. And what is like a simple It
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could be funny, it could be serious, like a simple practical
tip you could share with people about how to intertwine our
walks of the Lord in our everyday lives.
I think the biggest thing is just to always listen and don't.
You don't have to speak. Like sometimes you can just sit
back and sit quietly. And honestly, you can use God as
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a scapegoat. Like you can just say, you know
what the Lord is with you in these moments, like if you don't
have anything good to say, because I feel like we, and I
used to do this so much. I would go into something,
somebody would start, you know, telling me their their woes.
And I would be like, well, you know what, like at least this
didn't happen to you. And then now I'm like, you know,
that is really hard. Like I hear you, I love you, I
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am with you and you know what the word is with you too.
And, and these are things like, I think that's one practical way
people can kind of just, well, I.
Am the Lord. Even in those moments like
'cause sometimes we don't know what to say and we just kind of
look at people with the wide eyes of girl, you're gonna be
judged. It's not what we're really
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thinking. It's just like, what do I say
next? So I think it's just important
to just remember. Like, I love that it's OK to not
have the right words to say. Yeah.
But yet there's always the truth.
Of the Lord. It's always the truth, the Lord.
Is with you. That is good.
So that is really good, Hadley. That's really good.
I like that. I like that.
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And just like you said, listening and not feeling like
we always have to have all the answers because it's really hard
to sometimes allow to open up and ask people how they're doing
or to really go any deeper with people because we feel insecure
about having answers or we just don't feel prepared to go there.
But like you're saying, you can always be confident in the fact
that you can listen. Yes, and say you know what, the
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Lord is with you And, and and even just stop and pray for them
right there. Yeah, right there.
That's what you gonna do. You have to.
Have the answers. But you know the one who does
and that's good. That's super good.
All right. Any resources that I know you
mentioned one of the devotionalsyou were reading, but is there
any particular resources, whether it's podcast, books,
authors, speakers that have really been impactful for you as
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you've gone through this journey, especially in your
adulthood with relationships andanything?
Oh my gosh, nothing. That just like stands out.
I think just like being willing to like open your eyes to other
things, like open your eyes to other people and listen to other
people. But I just feel like just
relying on the Lord, like whatever the Lord is leading you
to do, like listen to him. And then sometimes it'll be in
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the most UN usual ways, the Lordwill speak to you, even if it's
just like walking through the aisles at Target, like there'll
be a book on the end cap and maybe you're just reading the
back of it, like you don't have to read the whole thing.
But I feel like there's so many things I don't know.
There's so many people and so many things that stick out that
there's nothing one in particular.
Yeah, it's true, though. Keeping.
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Our eyes open just like like ourheart open like Lord, just speak
to me however you want. And then being expectant that He
is going to speak to us. So be watching for it.
Be aware, you know, of all thesemoments that things are brought
into our lives. I love it.
Thank you, Miss Hadley, so much for doing this and I wish you
all the best and I'll see you injust a couple days.
Yes. Thank you so much.
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You've got this because he's gotyou.
All right, So Miss Hadley, welcome to the Intertwined Life
podcast and the next part of theGet This Part initiative.
Yeah, that we've been doing a series on the podcast.
I'm calling encouragement for the Way and it's really
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specially designed with our church family, Rock Harbor
Church in Melbourne Beach in mind.
But anyone who listens to the podcast has been following along
is just getting some encouragement for the way for
walking with Jesus. And we've been looking at this
year with our initiative at church Get Fit 2026.
And we started that just talkingabout there's so many different
ways to get fit, you know, in form, in faith, in friends and
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family. So it's relationally,
physically, mentally, spiritually, it's all
intertwined. Cheap plug, ha ha.
But anyway, pun totally intended, but I was excited when
you were willing to jump in herewith me and just have a casual
conversation about whichever aspect of that part of your
everyday life and combining it. Walking with Christ really was
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tugging at your heart. What God had you most passionate
about. South Hadley, for anybody
listening, whether they're part of our church family or not,
just tell us a little bit about yourself and your family and
what kind of brought you to thispoint where you are in your
life. So my name is Heather Mussler
and I will be celebrating 10 years of marriage this year,
which is so crazy with three kids.
I feel like I'm like 65 years old, but I'm not.
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But I have just been so blessed with Rock Harbor and just our
community because I moved here not knowing anybody.
My husband grew up here in Melbourne Beach his whole life.
He loved it. He kind of joked and said he
wanted to move back there, whichwas kind of funny.
Like when we first met, he was like, I'm never going to live in
my hometown. And then he saw my hometown and
he's like, yeah, I'm never goingto live there.
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So that's how we ended up here, which has been great.
We have a huge support system offamily.
His parents both live here. His grandparents live here as
aunt and uncle. And it's just really nice.
Like the family is like central and just solid here in
Melbourne, which has been awesome.
And then just the church like kind of forming was kind of a
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huge God thing because actually my father-in-law grew up going
to the Lutheran Church. And I remember I came with them
a few times for like Christmas and Easter to the services here.
And I was like, it just didn't feel like what I grew up in,
like my home church. So we kind of floated and
teetered around looking for our space and our community and our
church. And finally one day actually a
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family that played club volleyball, they were talking
about Rock Harbor. And that's how we ended up
coming. And we came like, I think it was
the very first Sunday of them using the church.
Oh, wow. So that was.
October of 2020. And if anybody's listening,
she's talking about the LutheranChurch, the church that Rock
Harbor now owns. The building we own and meet in
now was previously a Lutheran Church, and so that's what was
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meeting there at the time. And we started renting from them
until we did buy the building later on.
Yeah, the first service you guyscame.
I think it was like one of the first, maybe the 1st or the
second services and I just immediately was like, wow, this
feels like a really nice home. Like it feels really good.
And then I got to see my husbandget really involved to church.
And then Ivy, of course, was ourfirst and I think she cried
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every day for like a year going into the nursery.
But just seeing all the people love on our family without
knowing us was like a really like a breath of fresh air for
me because I hadn't felt that here yet.
Like I, I knew a ton of people, but I never felt like your word
intertwined. I never felt intertwined into a
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community. And so it was just really neat
to kind of get that from a church body and a church
perspective and a church family.And now here we are today, and
I've gotten to serve in youth, I've gotten to serve on the
leadership team, and now I get to serve in the children's
ministry. And it's just been such a
blessing. And you never know, like how one
conversation will lead to something so much deeper.
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And that's just something that Ilike.
I try to always remember when I meet new people or when I talk
to somebody for the first time or even for the fifth time, like
you never know how impactful that one conversation will be.
And so that's one thing that I've always been like super
thankful for with all the journeys that I've been on in
life. And that's how like my club team
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journey. I coached a club volleyball team
for a few years and ran a club volleyball team and you never
knew where those conversations would lead.
And that one family inviting us here got us plugged into such a
rich community of people, and for that, we're so thankful.
I love that. I love your, your thought about
that intentionality, about that one conversation because you
don't know. And tell me about this, do you
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think about when you're interacting with people?
Because it can be hard sometimesto not be thinking about the
next thing you know when you're running around and you're having
all these conversations and you especially now like working with
children's ministry at church, which has been a huge blessings
to Hadley's on on staff. And she's is it the assistant
director of children and family.It's it's.
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A funny little name. It's assistant family, assistant
director, family life or assistant family life director.
It's a cute little name, but I'mlike, I like to just say I'm
Angie's right hand man. Like, I'm here to help her
wherever she needs. Yeah, that's kind of my role.
Yeah, it's so true. Angie's the family life pastor,
and so it's kids and family. And Hadley has been this massive
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blessing to step into the role that she's in now.
She served on our leadership team also at the church prior to
that. And so to be in this role and to
be having all these conversations and interacting
with so many, sometimes in a very short space of time, like
Sunday mornings are crazy. But when you have those moments,
can you speak to what happens inside of you if you hold
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carefully the thought that one conversation can have an impact?
Is that something that you continually kind of keep in the
back of your mind as you're interacting throughout the days,
even in the busyness? And how do you make that?
Yeah, so I learned really young that like people's life are
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always happening. It's always happening in the
background. Like people are living a silent
battle, an out loud battle, whatever it is.
And I learned that if I kept what was like hindering me in
the forefront, I could never have genuine connections with
people. And so as I've gotten older,
working with teenagers, working in different groups, different
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environments, I try to really think about this person may be
facing something and I need to be here for them at this moment.
And so I don't know, I just feellike I've always been really
keen into trying to give somebody my full attention and
just my full heart versus just kind of being superficial and
surface level. And that's sometimes it's hard
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because then I'm like, oh, well,they probably think I'm a
weirdo, but you know, I'm just listening to them really deeply
or I try to remember things. And I was a hairdresser for many
years. That's how I paid for, you know,
college a little bit, yes. And I really enjoyed, like,
listening to my clients and liketaking a piece of what they said
and like kind of dwelling over it.
Like, man, you know, Miss Jane is dealing with this.
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And I'm going to write it down and I'm going to think about it.
And the next time she comes, I'mgoing to be really intentional
on asking it. And it wasn't just like, because
it was a part of my job. It was because when I was
younger, there was a lot of things that happened to my
childhood growing up. And I always had one or two
people who would really come andcheck on me.
Like they would almost go out oftheir way to be there for me.
And that stuck with me, you know, from then till now, like
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I, I want to be sure that somebody knows that somebody
else is thinking about them and somebody else cares what's going
on, even if it's like, oh, I gota flat tire.
Like, oh, well, how did you get your tire fixed?
You know, something like that. It, it goes a long way for
people's hearts, more than just their, their personalities.
So. Yeah, it's so good.
And it's something some personalities do better than
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others. I know it's something I have to
really keep in the front of my mind, you know, very cautiously.
And I don't do it well all the time because I'm fluttering from
one thing to the next thing to the next thing.
And to stop and realize, like you're saying, to make that
connection genuine, like I see you to know that I see you to I
try to remember names. I'm just getting harder and
harder, but to at least TuneIn to at least like look someone in
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the eye and you know, like the simple things.
I don't know about you, but I think about when you ask someone
how they're doing, most people just say fine but there is a
something going on or lack thereof depending on how they
really are feeling that you can catch if you tune into it right.
It's like that fine. Sounded a little less than fine.
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Right. And it's not for me, it's like
it's not going to be nosy. It's that like I'm probably
going through a battle too and Iwant to be there for you in
those situations. That's the thing that you know,
it's hard whenever you have those conversations, those quick
bite conversations with people, so.
Absolutely, and you do. Though just for the record,
Hadley's one of the most genuine, heartfelt You so are
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and it comes across so beautifully.
And goodness gracious, we know you have.
Now how old are the kids? And now I have a 7 year old Ida,
four year old ASA, and a three month old Mia.
So you're a little busy, get a job that is you're doing amazing
at. So yeah.
Oh yeah. And then there's the husband and
the whole dynamic. A lot of things.
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There's a lot of things. But you do, you come across so
genuine and so caring and it's beautiful.
I, I love to be around you. You light up a room, but you
also just make there's a presence you bring of joy and,
and lightness. And so even though we're all
going through things, there's still a way to carry that in
faith in Jesus and loading that onto him instead of feeling like
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we're carrying it and lugging iteverywhere we go and then
everybody sees us with. Our baggage, yeah, with our.
Heavy bags, Yeah. So tell me when we talked about
this and you initially said yes,I'll do an interview.
And my question was, whichever one of the areas of life of
getting fit and walking with Jesus and intertwining that is
on the forefront of your heart and mind right now.
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You mentioned relationships, correct?
Yes, so I put family in relationships.
I have a very, I don't skewed wouldn't be the word for it.
I have a very unique family dynamic.
I'm very close to some very family members and I'm a little
bit more distant to others. And it all stems from like
childhood and how it was broughtup and like thinking of
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boundaries and setting limits and things like that.
And so this year I just want to be, you know, I've gone through
the phase of my life where I've gone through the forgiveness
phase. So I've gone through that.
I've move past the forgiveness. I've kind of into the like, OK,
what's next? And for me, what's next is next
is like, you know, lines of communication.
How do I feel comfortable with lines of communication versus
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boundaries versus, you know, is this a repetitive thing?
And so I'm just kind of in this exploration phase of just
trusting the Lord with the relationships that are still and
will forever be my family, just how to how to kind of not
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necessarily rebuild those things, but maybe open the doors
to a future or two of what's next.
And then also just, you know, with my family, my personal
family, my children and my husband, like we have grown so
fast, so quickly and it's so quick.
It's just crazy to me to think like, this is our 10th year of
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marriage. And it's like there's things
that we talk about. And I'm just like, well, I
didn't even know that that is something that bothers you or I
didn't know that that's something that, you know, the
kids would think of. And so I just want to be really
intentional with my own family. Like, how do I root them better
in just everything? And I recently read a devotional
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about faith and how faith is an heirloom.
And I just thought it was so beautiful.
Like to think about, you know, my grandmother passed that down
to me. She had me at church every
Sunday. She really like anytime I was
going through something, she's like, what did you pray about
it? Or did you talk to God or, you
know, what have you read in yourBible?
And I was like, Mimi, I don't, Idon't want to hear that.
I want to know what is wrong with me.
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And so and then, you know, my aunt and I are really close and
she's a pastor's wife, of course, a Southern Baptist
pastor's wife. And so she always speaks a lot
of life into me and I just thinkabout the beautiful relationship
that I have with those two womenin my life.
And I want to be that for my children.
And you know, my sisters, I havethree younger sisters.
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I have sister in law's now. I have, you know, my
mother-in-law. I have all the family that I
have just I want to be able to be somebody that they think of
that passes down that that faithto them or empowers them in
their own faith. And so that's just one.
Feel good. Yeah, that's so good.
You mentioned several like big words in there.
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I heard boundaries, forgiveness,intentional like these are
powerful words. But one thing I want to go to
1st as a as like a little soapbox moment.
You mentioned hearing these things from your grandmother and
probably your aunt when you werea teenager and being like OK,
OK. And now you look back and you're
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like, thank goodness they passedthat along.
And I remember those things. So, yeah, give, give some
encouragement to, you know, to all of us as we raise kids and
we go through these times where we want to keep mentioning turn
to the Lord, turn to the Lord, take it to God.
You know, don't forget to pray. But we know that it's annoying
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the crap out of our kids. Yeah, well, I will say like
there were a couple key influential women in my life,
obviously my grandmother, my aunt, and then I had a like a
mentor type person growing up and she they all would just kind
of reinstate like biblical truthto me.
And in the moments, like I definitely absorbed it, but it
was like when you have a sponge and it like barely absorbs and
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you just see it sitting in the sink and it's like slowly
seeping out. Like that's how I kind of felt
my life was for a long time. And as I became a mom myself, I
realized like I really needed that immersive experience and
like I really needed to understand what I was hearing
and what I was being told. So for me, it's like if I could
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pass one thing on to, you know, the moms that are telling their
kids right now in this moment, like they hear you, like I heard
them, We're taking it in. And in those moments of darkness
and despair, like those were thefirst things that came to my
mind. Like the verses that my
grandmother would tell me or my aunt, Like that was the first
thing that would pop in when I would have those moments of
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like, I can't do this anymore asa, you know, 16 year old or 20
year old, like, you know, those first couple months of marriage,
like those things that were instilled in me and repeat
repeated to me and prayed for over me.
Like I felt that more later, like more in those moments.
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Then I know my grandmother probably was like, I'm just
saying all this and it's not getting through to her, you
know, but it it definitely did. So don't, if I could say one
thing like don't stop saying it to your kids, even though you
can tell your kids are like tuning you out because they're
really not. And it's funny because I can't
even notice that with Ivy. Like Ivy is my little, you know,
tweenager and she has her own little mind and she will say
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things. And I'm like, you were just
yelling at your brother and now you're telling him about Jesus,
like what what is happening? And so it's kind of funny And
it's like, I just think of something my mother-in-law says
when we talk about verses for our kids and stuff.
It's just like raise up a child.And so I think about those
things and I think about, OK, ifI'm just intertwining it or if
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I'm just, you know, making it natural, a very organic
conversation and relationship, then my kids are going to feel
that more than me, like postering versus all over or
making them do a nightly, you know, we do a nightly
devotional, but making them do something that feels like it's a
task. So I try to just make it really
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organic and, you know, trying tomake it a better, do a better
job of just living it versus just preaching it to them.
And that's what I think got through to me the most is those
people who were influential, like my grandmother and my aunt,
you know, my mentor, They truly did just live a humble heart.
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And that's one thing that like, as I've gotten older, I read the
book The Lowly and Humble, or Gentle and lowly, that one.
Yeah, and I just I'll link it inthe show notes.
I know the one talking about. I actually.
Just yeah, it's such a good book.
And I just think about in that when you think about the main
verse, Matthew, it's talking about like taking the yoke.
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And when you think about the yoke, like you don't just do it
by yourself. You have to have somebody else
helping you. And so if you're always walking
with the Lord beside you, like caring and taking that extra
weight off, then other people are going to see that.
And it's not something that feels like it's scripted or man,
you know, it's just organic and natural.
Yeah. Just one thing.
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Well. That's like exactly what I was
going to say. Like, so my question for you is
because it has to come from the overflow.
You know, we can, we can say these things to our kids or our
grandkids or whoever. But if we're not living in a way
that shows that we also believe that.
And then we're also practicing that it doesn't hold a lot of
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water because, you know, kids are really smart.
They can see. Oh.
They read it. You know, yeah.
So how do you keep yourself spiritually fit so that what you
do share with others comes out of the overflow and not out of
like? Yeah.
Repetition of what you've heard others say, but it's genuinely
out of what's in you, yeah. Well, I think it's, I think it
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kind of goes back to that verse,like just kind of walking with
the Lord, like doing this together with the Lord and
living a truly humble, like living with humility, like you
never, I never want to think when somebody's coming to me
with a problem, like, well, my problems are bigger.
So I'm just going to give you a little bit of me like that's
good. Those people, you know, whoever
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comes to you, like their problems at that moment are the
biggest things and they're confiding in you.
And so for me, it's like if you're living with humility in
your heart and gentleness in your heart and grace in your
heart and mercy in your heart, then you're able to express the
genuine love and characteristicsof Jesus.
And I think that that's the mostthat would be the, the thing to
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me is like, if I'm not living itwhere other people see it first,
then I shouldn't be preaching itto someone else.
So that's kind of the hard part.When we do make mistakes, it's
like, Oh my gosh, I'm someone's,I'm going to be discredited.
No one's going to believe me. No one's going to love me, you
know, that kind of thing. So yeah, just making sure that
you are embodying the full characteristics of Jesus and
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like really showing a genuine commitment to how.
Others should be treated and then of the Lord.
That's good and always pointing to him and as the source of our
strength instead of ourselves. I look what I'm doing because to
your point, when we do mess up, we don't want them looking at us
because we want to rely on thoseverses where the second
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Corinthians 12/9 in our weakness, his strength is made
perfect and other scripture where he tells us he chooses the
weak and foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
And so it's like, no, no, this is what's happening right now.
That's me, you know, and it's like, I'd rather they keep
looking to him. And so even when we're we're
strong spiritually and we're doing well, keep deflecting, you
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know, every all the attention back to him.
I must decrease that he would increase, you know, so that when
we mess up, we can just like I know I'm a mess.
Isn't it amazing God still uses me?
Yeah, absolutely, yes. So true.
That's so good. So do you have like a regular
quiet time? Is that like a a structure for
you that is regimented or built into your rhythms and all of
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that, or how does that? Work for you right now in this
stage. I'm I am such like I'm an all
over the place kind of person and I joke and say that I have
my office hours in the car. So I do a lot of listening.
I listen to a lot of podcasts, But for me it's like I don't
like to live in a box. I I don't, I love structure and
I love, you know, setting thingsup, but I started devotional and
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then two or three days in I'm like, Oh, this one sounds better
or Oh, this is speaking to me more.
So I kind of just kind of live vicariously through whatever the
Lord is leading me in. So I like to listen to a lot of
podcasts. I listen to a lot of just books
on tape, things like that. And sometimes I'll just turn on
those U-verse, the Bible app. You know they have.
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Like 3 day studies and I'll justlisten to a three day study on
my way to and from work or on myway to the grocery store.
But usually it's something that kind of jumps out at me and
sometimes it's things where I'm like, OK, I don't really need to
listen to something on mercy today or you know, I'm not
feeling this way, but I listen to it and it pulls something out
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of me that I didn't think about.Or I'll listen to it and I'll
have a conversation with somebody else and I'm like, Oh
my gosh, I just heard this verseor I just heard someone say this
quote and it we really found I found comfort in it.
Maybe you find comfort in it too.
And I like to do that because I just feel like whenever I kind
of key in on to what the Lord isleading me to do, then I feel
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closer to him versus what I findon the top chart, then I'm like,
well, this is what everybody's reading.
And we can't all need something about peace.
It's just, I don't know. I do.
I try to, you know, spend a goodamount of time throughout the
day doing something related to listening to the Lord.
But I try to just make it a veryorganic.
Yeah. Like that, it's like, you know,
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it's like Deuteronomy talks about as you walk along the way
and when you rise and when you go to sleep.
Like it, our relationship with our Lord is not just like the
1st 20 minutes in the morning. I mean, that's powerful, but it
really is a continuing relationship and conversation
throughout our day. And so that's where the
intertwined life comes from, youknow, that it just interweaves
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into everything we're doing. So this is great.
I, I kind of sidetracked you. So I want to jump back to
relationships, but talk a littlebit more about how your walk
with the Lord and the closer you've drawn to him has impacted
relationships, the, the good ones and the, and the tough
ones. And then also maybe as you go
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in, you talked a little bit about boundaries and
forgiveness. If you want to unpack that a
little bit, especially in light of the closer you walk with the
Lord, how you see those things playing out.
I know when I think about the boundaries comment that I made,
I really think about just kind of living.
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Let's see how I would put it. I so I became very kind of
closed off just because I felt like if I didn't let it in, then
it didn't bother me or didn't affect me.
And as I've gotten older, I think about like all these deep
relationships that I have with other people.
And I'm like, you know, it's notthat I have to have a very close
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relationship. I'll, I'll just go into my, my
mom for a second. Like my mom and I, we, she came
to my wedding. We didn't talk for several
years. When I was a teenager, we had a
big falling out. She struggled with some
addictions and it just kind of became, well, if you weren't
this like Hadley, if you didn't do this, then I wouldn't be this
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way. And I kind of felt like it was
my fault as a kid. Like I came my, my mom and dad
were divorced. They, you know, were separated.
My mom remarried. She kind of had three other
children. So I kind of felt like outskirts
growing up. And then she had a big accident
and it caused her to fall into some deep, dark places and she
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began to struggle with really dark addictions.
And in those moments, it was like, I just kind of wanted my
mom. I was in like a very pivotal
time of my life. Like I was right as a teenager
and I just kind of wanted my mom.
And so it kind of became this like, well, you don't need me,
you don't need me, you this, youcan have all these other things.
You don't need me. And so I kind of put up a
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boundary in love and I kind of said, well, I obviously am
unlovable. Like I'm just, you know, I can,
I, I'm not going to have these deep relationships with anybody
because I don't have this deep relationship with my mom.
So I just kind of found all these service level
relationships and I tried to find like service level love
from wherever I could. And so as I got older, I
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realized, like, that's not normal.
Like that's not right. Like it shouldn't be what I'm
doing. And I ended up, you know,
obviously meeting AJ and findinga really deep love there and
like, getting married. And, you know, I found that I am
lovable and I can be cared for and somebody does love me
through my flaws. And so that was just like, one
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thing where I felt like a wall kind of came down.
And then I became a mom and I kind of thought back to my mom
as a mom. And I was like, man, I just I
don't want to do anything wrong.Like I don't want to do.
I don't want to make any of my children feel less than loved.
I want them all to feel the samelove.
I don't want to be the screamingparent.
Like I don't want to be the parent who, you know, doesn't
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give my kids everything that they want.
Like they I need them to have everything.
I need our life to look perfect.We always need to be polished.
And so I created this boundary, this like wall around my family.
And I thought, OK, we have to doall this because if, if I make
one mistake, I'm going to turn into this version of my mother
that I don't want to become. And after a few years, like I
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finally opened up to somebody and I was like, I just, I need
to let these walls down. I need to let these boundaries
down and motherhood because if Idon't, I'm always going to be
this uptight palm. And I started to do that.
And you know, it's I felt that kind of crumbling down.
And then now I'm getting into seeing my kids be siblings and
love each other and fight with each other and have fun.
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And I think about like, I don't have that close relationship
with my siblings anymore becausewe all have grown and gone
different ways. So one of the things that I am
working on, I'm in my walk this year is just kind of like
reassessing what is a boundary and what is just guarding my
heart versus how can I, you know, open up and still know
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that people are going to fall short.
You know, the relationship is never going to be perfect, but
how can I have a faithful relationship with those people
and show them that they are loved and they are worthy.
And, you know, it's not me that has to judge what happened.
Like, you know, if I experiencedit, but at the end of the day,
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like I'm not the person to say you did so wrong because had
those things not happened to me,I wouldn't be the person that I
am today. And so I just find like the
beauty in kind of like coming out on the other side of these
things. And I try to think about how how
can I change the future and forget about what happened in
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the past. And I feel like it's always kind
of a constant battle because I feel like I did kind of do this
in the past. Like I tried to have that
rebuilding and restoration moment and it didn't happen.
And now I've kind of, I'm kind of going into it with a
different perspective of like, I'm not expecting this
relationship to be fully restored, but being able to have
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a conversation and being able tojust be filled with just an
okayness of peace about what it is, is more of what I'm looking
for. Yeah, yeah.
So that's good. Like an.
Acceptance. That doesn't mean, and I think
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this kind of goes to the forgiveness thing, forgiveness
doesn't mean we're saying it's OK Forgiveness means we're
laying it in God's hands. We're releasing it, you know,
And so with that, there's a freedom and a lightness in
ourselves because then we're nottrying to carry it any longer.
We're not trying to make someonepay or to make ourselves OK or
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to make it right. We're literally saying I forgive
you. I'm releasing whatever needs to
happen to the one who judges rightly, to the one who's
gracious and merciful, and the one who loves us both.
I'm no longer going to carry theright What you.
You know what you've done, or how.
I was hurt with me all the time,you know that right?
Is that kind of how you? Yeah, No, that's, yeah, that's
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definitely. I've I've felt that several
times. Like I feel like I've gone
through the stages of forgiveness and moving forward.
And then it's like, it's like those circle moments where you
try to make them. You can't make somebody else
feel the way you feel or can't make them understand how you
feel. And so for me, it's like I'm
working through all these moments and I'm getting to this
point where I have unpacked it, I have let it go, I have
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released it. But now I need to build the
relationship enough where that person also does the same so we
can move forward. Because it feels like when you
have relationships, especially with family, and you do have
that bitterness or that hurt in your heart, it's like, well,
yeah, we've both forgiven each other, but we're still carrying
something or somebody's carryingsomething.
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And it leaves that little wedge that continues to kind of drive
in between the family members. And then it is awkward when you
go to family events, like, I've moved on.
I've gone five years past that moment, but you're still stuck
in, you know, 2012 or whatever the year was.
And that's one thing. Like, I feel like it's hard for
any family or any, any person. Like you have those times where
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maybe you get in a tiff or maybea big situation blows up or
something happens and one personmoves on with forgiveness and
genuine, like, OK, I've given you grace and I've given myself
grace and I've turned it over tothe Lord.
But the other person says, well,I've done that too, but they're
still living in that moment. And it's like, well, I'm 10
years past it or I'm five years past it.
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And so that's the part where I'mlike, OK, how do we find the
forward? That's good.
The wrestle is real. You know the struggle is real.
Relationships are real. Hurt is real and, and we don't
necessarily just get to where nothing bothers us.
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So I, I have the most amazing Christian counselor and one of
the things that she constantly says to me is because I've been
with her for five years and I feel like I should be beyond
whatever, you know, these things.
And I'm so, so much better than I was when I first started
meeting with her. It's been amazing the things
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that the Lord has unpacked and healed and and used her in my
life. But when something comes up and
I get frustrated with here I go again.
She she always says this and I hear her voice like I feel like
the Holy Spirit now uses her voice because sounds like her
when he talks to me sometimes. But she will say, is your
expectation that you will never feel this way again?
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And it's like she's right. Just because I have forgiven or
just because I have done the work and healed and moved on
doesn't mean the feelings of frustration, hurt, bitterness,
overwhelm, whatever it is, won'tkeep popping up.
The feelings may still come, butnow what we have are tools to
deal with those feelings. We have choices of how we're
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going to respond as opposed to react, you know?
And so as we walk closer with the Lord and we continually give
things over to Him, and the scripture tells us to be
constantly renewed in the spiritof our minds.
And I always say, Paul wouldn't have said that if you didn't
know our minds would be constantly getting messed up.
You know, it's not a one and done thing.
And so, yeah, those feelings, the expectation is not that
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we're never going to feel these things again.
But I'm moving past and I know I'm healing more and more when I
don't stay in that feeling and stay in that pain, I can more
quickly than usual, more quicklythan I used to.
Things that used to keep me beenout of shape for months now.
Maybe I only need a couple hours, you know, and that is a
process. There's actually a really good
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book that I'll put a link to. It's called emotionally immature
parents. And it's it's just a really good
book for a a lot of relationshippast, you know, things and and
lenses to see people through. But I'll link to that in in the
show notes because it does help.It does help sometimes to gain
perspective and in our own way we all have areas of emotional
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immaturity and struggle. And so it's very helpful to kind
of peel the winds back a little bit and and that looks a really
good resource for that anything.Else about.
Intentionality in relationships.What about like friendships,
marriage? You know, how how getting fit,
how walking with the Lord impacts those as well?
Yeah, I mean. For me, it's been such a
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struggle here in Brevard County to find friendships.
Like, I just feel like I have found so many people that I love
so dearly, but it's like, well, I'm so busy.
I don't have time. You know, it's me, not them.
Like, they're always like, oh, let's do this.
Or, you know, do this group or do that group.
And, you know, you find it and you do it, and then you commit
to it. And then it's like silence, but
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on my part because I am so busy.And so this year I'm really
trying to be intentional with the friendships that I've built
to really kind of dive into those and like get to know the
person deeper and get to know them more and better like that.
And then also I've really tried to work this year on community
building a community of just people around because we do have
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such a big community of our church, But it's like I kind of
joked one day. I'm like, we all, we all live in
the community, we're all outside.
It's like the people standing. If you remember, like back in
like, I don't know what was the 80s around the world and like
the people are like standing on the world.
So I think about how we live in that community.
We're all like standing on the world.
But it's like if we just immersed into this a little bit
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more and got to know each other a little bit more, like what
would that do for us as. And I think the world is just
kind of like a really unknown scary place right now that
everybody has opinions about everything.
And I feel like people like, it's OK.
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Like people almost think, well, if they have an opinion, then
I'm gonna have an opinion about their opinion.
And it's like, no, that's not how we live.
Like we are OK with everybody having differences of opinions.
And so that's one thing, like I'm trying to work on
diversifying my community, if you will.
And. Not being comfortable with being
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like in solidarity or like in, in, in loneliness, I guess
because I'm OK with just living in my bubble and I want my
bubble to get bigger or I want my bubble to meet this bubble.
It's just kind of funny, but. It's funny, I joke.
I see I'm I'm a very introvertedextrovert.
Like I'll talk to anybody for the longest time, but then it's
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like crickets on the follow up. And so I want to do a better job
of the follow up this year. I totally get it.
That's. That's good.
That's good. And, you know, just a, a, a word
of advice. Don't try to work on 10
friendships. Pick 2, two or three.
Yeah. That's what I got.
I got two or three. Yeah.
We have time for two or three. Yeah.
You know, just pick a. Couple that you feel most
connected with and go deeper, you know I mean quality time
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matters and sometimes it's like,well it's quality over quantity
Well quantity does matter like quantity matters because it's
only in spending time together in in just everyday life and
it's the same thing with our relationship with the Lord it's.
Well, it's it's quality over. Quantity.
Yeah, Some days you're going to have more quality focus than
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others, but if you spend every day just connecting throughout
the day, it's going to build a much deeper, stronger
relationship, you know, And so it, it does, it takes being
casual in our relationships withothers sometimes and just
showing up and being OK with it not being perfect or planned or
ideal or, you know, or whatever.Sometimes we just have to work
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around with what we got That's really good.
That's good. All right.
Anything else on relationships and and stuff that when I sent
you this originally, was there anything else that really rose
to the surface that you were thinking and wanted to share
that we have not touched on? I don't think so.
I. Don't know.
I think, I think I've hit it allpretty much.
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Good, Good. No.
This. Is really good.
So I'm really glad you did this with us.
And I'm, I think it's important for us to stop and think about
relationships past, present and future.
And I kind of feel like that's what you're doing.
You know, you really wrap that up your relationships and
walking closer with the Lord is helping you with relationships
in the past that you are workingon, whether it's working on them
getting better or being able to release what's not going to get
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better. And then also in the midst like
you're present with your husband, with your kiddos and,
and being in the relationship that you desire and that God
would desire for that. But then also you're looking
into future as in community and growing those friendships and
those people to walk and do lifewith.
And so as we draw closer to the Lord, he also wants us to draw
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closer to others and to have relationships and community that
are honoring to him, but helpfulto us too.
You know, so I think you're doing a beautiful job there and
you're also helping us at Rock Harbor Church to create
communities in a beautiful way. And I love how you're a
connector and part of part of that great work.
So I always wrap up my interviews on my regular podcast
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with the same questions. And so I'm going to throw just a
couple of those at you. The first one is, do you have a
life verse or a verse that is especially bringing you life
right now? I actually wrote, I wrote a
couple things down because I, I have so many, so many things
that I think of, but I think formy life verse, something that I
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kind of always go back to is just Jeremiah 31 that I've loved
you with an everlasting love. And I think it's just really
important to Remember, Remember that always because like
everlasting is like never ending, never going to stop no
matter the what you've done or what you even thought of doing.
Like it's just something that iseverlasting.
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And I feel like to me that speaks just on so many areas of
my life. And then just to also extend
into that, like it's a continuedlove and continued faithful
love. And that's something that is
just really important to me to always remember.
Like there is something greater beyond what is the now.
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For me, and having that verse isreally nice.
That's good. That's.
Really good, so powerful to always be able to go back to
that, you know, when the little annoying voices in our heads or
you know, the scars from the past come back to just go back
and like, God, I have loved you with an everlasting love.
That's beautiful, all right. And what is like a simple It
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could be funny, it could be serious, like a simple practical
tip you could share with people about how to intertwine our
walks of the Lord in our everyday lives.
I think the biggest thing is just to always listen and don't.
You don't have to speak. Like sometimes you can just sit
back and sit quietly. And honestly, you can use God as
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a scapegoat. Like you can just say, you know
what the Lord is with you in these moments, like if you don't
have anything good to say, because I feel like we, and I
used to do this so much. I would go into something,
somebody would start, you know, telling me their their woes.
And I would be like, well, you know what, like at least this
didn't happen to you. And then now I'm like, you know,
that is really hard. Like I hear you, I love you, I
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am with you and you know what the word is with you too.
And, and these are things like, I think that's one practical way
people can kind of just, well, I.
Am the Lord. Even in those moments like
'cause sometimes we don't know what to say and we just kind of
look at people with the wide eyes of girl, you're gonna be
judged. It's not what we're really
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thinking. It's just like, what do I say
next? So I think it's just important
to just remember. Like, I love that it's OK to not
have the right words to say. Yeah.
But yet there's always the truth.
Of the Lord. It's always the truth, the Lord.
Is with you. That is good.
So that is really good, Hadley. That's really good.
I like that. I like that.
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And just like you said, listening and not feeling like
we always have to have all the answers because it's really hard
to sometimes allow to open up and ask people how they're doing
or to really go any deeper with people because we feel insecure
about having answers or we just don't feel prepared to go there.
But like you're saying, you can always be confident in the fact
that you can listen. Yes, and say you know what, the
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Lord is with you And, and and even just stop and pray for them
right there. Yeah, right there.
That's what you gonna do. You have to.
Have the answers. But you know the one who does
and that's good. That's super good.
All right. Any resources that I know you
mentioned one of the devotionalsyou were reading, but is there
any particular resources, whether it's podcast, books,
authors, speakers that have really been impactful for you as
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you've gone through this journey, especially in your
adulthood with relationships andanything?
Oh my gosh, nothing. That just like stands out.
I think just like being willing to like open your eyes to other
things, like open your eyes to other people and listen to other
people. But I just feel like just
relying on the Lord, like whatever the Lord is leading you
to do, like listen to him. And then sometimes it'll be in
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the most UN usual ways, the Lordwill speak to you, even if it's
just like walking through the aisles at Target, like there'll
be a book on the end cap and maybe you're just reading the
back of it, like you don't have to read the whole thing.
But I feel like there's so many things I don't know.
There's so many people and so many things that stick out that
there's nothing one in particular.
Yeah, it's true, though. Keeping.
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Our eyes open just like like ourheart open like Lord, just speak
to me however you want. And then being expectant that He
is going to speak to us. So be watching for it.
Be aware, you know, of all thesemoments that things are brought
into our lives. I love it.
Thank you, Miss Hadley, so much for doing this and I wish you
all the best and I'll see you injust a couple days.
Yes. Thank you so much.
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