November 24, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode, Mary is joined by Katie Beecher, a medical and spiritual intuitive, licensed professional counselor, and internationally recognized healer whose transformative work bridges science, intuition, and lived experience.
Katie shares her powerful journey from battling a life-threatening eating disorder at age 16 to becoming a celebrated healer with over 35 years of experience. The conversation explores how she discovered her unique gift of creating detailed intuitive readings and soul paintings using only a person's name and age—a skill she describes as both natural and learnable.
This episode dives deep into the intersection of menopause, spirituality, and holistic healing. Katie challenges conventional approaches to women's health, advocating for root-cause healing that honors the physical, emotional, and spiritual dimensions of midlife transformation. At 60, she's not just talking about vitality—she's living it as a two-time national champion pole and aerial athlete who started training just six years ago.
Key Takeaways:
• How medical intuition supports midlife health
• Jungian psychology: How it taught Katie to befriend her disorder, communicate with her body, and discover the messages behind symptoms,
• Reframing perimenopause and menopause as the time to shed societal expectations, set boundaries, establish self-love, and reclaim authentic power rather than merely surviving symptoms.
• Highly Sensitive beings and empaths have a superpower
• Hormone Therapy Advocacy: Katie's personal experience with bioidentical hormones (estrogen, testosterone, DHEA) have empowered her to advocate for symptom-based, quality-of-life treatment.
• Practical guidance on connecting with your intuition, spiritual guides, and inner wisdom.
• How beloved pets mirror our emotional and physical states, often taking on our pain to protect us, and what their illnesses can teach us about ourselves.
Connect:
• Heal From Within: A Guide to Intuitive Wellness by Katie Beecher—available wherever books are sold (workbook format recommended for visual aids and exercises)
• Katie Beecher's website for intuitive readings: https://katiebeecher.com
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Katie Beecher (00:00):
That is a bunch of crap because it's about our
quality of life and not justgetting through something in, in
an unpleasant way.
Like why do we have to suffer?
So, and also listening to yourbody, your intuition, being
like, I don't have worry so muchabout taking care of kids
anymore or what people thinkanymore, Mm-hmm.
(00:24):
So it's such a freeing time.
And I work with people who.
Don't really know themselves,haven't really set boundaries,
have taken care of everybodyelse, all their life.
And now they're like, I wannalive differently and maybe get
outta my dumb marriage that I'vebeen in for a while, or change
jobs or whatever.
But it's just, you're, it'snever too late, to find your
(00:45):
way.
And if you piss a few people offalong the way, oh well,
Mary Lee (00:51):
Welcome back, my listeners.
Today I'm joined by theincredible Katie Beecher.
She's a medical and a spiritualintuitive, a licensed
professional counselor, andinternationally recognized
healer whose work has beenfeatured in Goop, poosh Miranda
Kerr's blog Coast to Coast am.
(01:12):
Bloom TV and so many more.
She has over 35 years ofexperience and more than 200
features across media, podcastsand summits.
Katie is known for her uniqueintuitive readings.
Where she creates a detailedfour page report and a stunning,
intuitive soul painting, knowingonly the person's name and age.
(01:35):
Let me tell you, I wasabsolutely fascinated with this
skill, and we will get into it.
In this episode, Katie brings apowerful blend of science,
intuition, and lived experienceto her work, and in this
podcast, you're going to hearher story, her awakening.
since then, she's helpedcountless people address the
root cause of illness andemotional distress, drawing upon
(01:57):
her own profound healing journeyNow she's age 60.
And she's not only a championfor midlife vitality.
Listen to this.
She's also a two time nationalchampion, pole and aerial
athlete.
So incredible.
And she has been breaking downstereotypes about aging,
menopause, and femininestrength.
(02:17):
Wow.
Love it.
Her bestselling book Heal FromWithin A Guide to Intuitive
Wellness, offers us the reader'sgrounded research-backed
approach to intuitive healingand self-discovery.
Katie's story and her work are abeautiful reminder that healing
is both an art and a practice ofdeep listening, listening to our
bodies, our intuition, and oursoul's truth.
(02:41):
I can't wait for you to hear herstory.
Please join me in welcomingKatie Beecher to the Menopause
Disruptive Podcast.
Mary (02:49):
Katie.
Katie Beecher (02:51):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm very excited.
Mary (02:54):
So much, so much to unpack.
let's begin.
I always love to begin being atrue communicator that I was for
over 24 years in pr.
I always like to begin with aperson's backstory.
Katie Beecher (03:07):
Certainly So I've always been able to know that
there was something more thanwhat we can see and hear.
Even as a very young child, Iwould hear voices in my head and
be able to communicate withanimals and know what other
people were thinking.
(03:28):
I had this BS meter especiallywith a pretty dysfunctional
family and being like, this isnot okay and this isn't real.
And thankfully I felt like I hadsome guidance along the way,
even like at three.
And so really empathic andsensitive and all the things
(03:50):
that are annoying and also cooland around when I was 16.
I was in the throes of an eatingdisorder, really, really bad,
throwing up three times a day,
Mary (04:00):
Oh
Katie Beecher (04:01):
suicidal just had had it with the whole thing.
And I came home from school anddecided to call our pediatrician
without telling my parents atall, because they wouldn't have
been any help.
And I said, I am making myselfthrow up and I need help.
And it was 1983, so no onereally talked about eating
(04:23):
disorders then.
But, and he said you'll probablybe fine, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, no, definitely,definitely not fine.
But he hooked me up with ayoungian psychologist and young
stuff is all about spiritualityand intuition and self-love and
symbolism and all the coolthings that I had in my life
(04:44):
already, but didn't know what todo with.
So worked really hard andlearned how to do a lot of the
things that I teach in my book.
Like, talk to your body and talkto your guides and find
self-love and look at themessages behind your symptoms
and how to befriend yourdisorders and all kinds of good
(05:06):
stuff.
And, I didn't really know whatto do with being a medium or an
intuitive, but I always workedreally intuitively in my
sessions because I came a,became a licensed counselor
shortly right after you.
I got my, bachelor's in master'sand eventually the abilities
(05:27):
became stronger and stronger andI couldn't really, I didn't have
them.
And so I started working as amedical intuitive.
It's not just medical, it'sphysical, emotional, and
spiritual.
So I really tune into the wholeperson and with just a name and
an age, I create a four pagereport really detailed about a
(05:51):
person's entire life.
So it's.
Childhood and career andrelationships and intuitive
abilities and physical stuff andemotional stuff and trauma and
all the things.
And then I also create anintuitive soul painting.
Which is symbolic way of showingwhat's going on in people's
(06:12):
bodies and their energy fields.
And so yeah, I'm reallyfortunate to be doing this work
and love talking about menopausebecause it's so important and
para menopause and all thethings.
And I'm 60.
So I told my doctor that they'regoing to take my hormones outta
(06:32):
my cold dead hands.
Mary (06:33):
My gosh, I can take this in a million directions, but the
first one that comes to mind andtrue to the name of this
podcast, menopause Disruptor,just exactly how bridging
clinical psychology and medicalintuitive counseling.
Into disrupting the status quoof the medical interventions
(06:56):
that have been out there totreat women or not.
'cause let's face it, we havebeen outright dismissed and
ignored in research.
does the work you do totallydisrupt the status quo?
Katie Beecher (07:11):
I love talking about this and also just the
concept of aging and agestereotypes and all those
things, right?
So I'm pretty.
Disruptive myself so I am, I'm60, as I said.
I am a a pole sport athlete andI do aerial arts and I've won
(07:33):
two national championships onpole.
Mary (07:36):
Fantastic.
Katie Beecher (07:37):
Right.
Started six years ago.
I love it.
It's the best thing I've everdone for myself.
I couldn't do anything when Istarted.
So people who think, yeah, I'vebeen good at this my whole life.
No, not at all.
And it's just so empoweringbecause I feel better about my
body than ever.
I feel better about myselfcoming from an eating disorder
background.
I have to wear basically bikinito, to stick to the pole or I
(08:00):
fall on my head and die.
So.
I had to get over that reallyquickly and it's so fun to be in
classes with people half my ageor less than that and be able to
inspire them.
Like age doesn't matter, so justby the way, I live my life.
I like to be a disruptor.
(08:22):
But so much of health,especially women's health,
emotional and spiritual andspiritual and physical.
Is holistic and it's, it shouldbe from a root cause perspective
and.
With women, especiallymenopausal stuff, it's sort of
like, well if you're not havinghot flashes, you're fine.
(08:46):
If you're not having symptoms,you are just fine and you don't
really need a sex drive anymore.
You you, don't need to have anyenergy or enjoy life or it's
just menopause is just somethingyou get through and I'm like.
That is a bunch of crap becauseit's about our quality of life
(09:08):
and not just getting throughsomething in, in an unpleasant
way.
Like why do we have to suffer?
So, and also listening to yourbody, your intuition, being
like, I don't have worry so muchabout taking care of kids
anymore or what people thinkanymore, so it's such a freeing
(09:29):
time.
And I work with people who.
Don't really know themselves,haven't really set boundaries,
have taken care of everybodyelse, all their life.
And now they're like, I wannalive differently and maybe get
outta my dumb marriage that I'vebeen in for a while, or change
jobs or whatever.
But it's just, you're, it'snever too late to find your way.
And if you piss a few people offalong the way, oh well.
Mary (09:54):
it's been coined by, Ayurvedic practitioners and two
things about the menopausaltransition.
One, it's the time of the greatreveal.
This is a common thread that'sin my podcast episodes and that
what we have not dealt with.
Let's face it, women are good atpretending masking sh shelving
away and putting everybody elsefirst, so we can avoid taking
(10:17):
care of ourselves.
And so they'll come to bearbecause estrogen leaves the
body, which is that greatprotective.
Mechanism.
And then two, Ayurveda says thatit's the age of wisdom, a time
to truly get to know our bodies.
And I love how you coin that.
It's not just the physical body,but it's the, uh, energetic
body, the emotional body, thespiritual body, the intuitive
(10:40):
body.
and so it's that time to reallyget to know who we are on all
planes of existence, if youwill.
So let's talk about the workthat you do with women to help
them comfortable with some ofthese woowoo concepts, for lack
of a better terminology, likespirituality and tapping into
(11:02):
what's already there to healwithin.
How do you work with yourclients in that direction
Katie Beecher (12:05):
So the first thing I wanna say is I am about
the least woo woo, really woowoo person you will ever meet
because I feel like intuition isnatural.
We're born with it.
Medical intuition is reallynatural.
When we or our kids, let's say,or somebody we know, when you
start to have symptoms, when youget a stomach ache, okay, you
(12:27):
immediately have to tune in.
And because it gets yourattention.
The worse the stomachache is,the more it gets your attention.
'cause you may have beenignoring it, but you have to do
something like, okay, do I needto lay down?
Did I just eat something thatwas weird?
Do I need to have some crackers?
Do I need to throw up?
(12:49):
Do I need to you're, you'reautomatically starting to do
this detective work.
Mary (12:54):
Right.
Katie Beecher (12:55):
especially with gut because.
The gut is one of my bad signalsand a lot of other people.
And what I mean by that is I mayhave gut symptoms before I
realize that I'm anxious aboutsomething or I may realize it a
little bit and my husband wouldbe like, you seem nervous.
(13:16):
And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine,whatever.
But then my gut will be like, ohyeah, this is what's going on
and you need to pay attention.
So I.
Really like to help people totune into that in a natural
feeling way and let them knowthat there's nothing special
(13:37):
about me.
I do have some pretty wildabilities, but there's nothing
that I do that you can't do foryourself to a certain degree as
well.
And it's really a reallyimportant part of my sessions
and my book that I teach peoplehow to do that.
Mary (13:54):
Wow, that's incredible.
So then how can women start to,to see their midlife and this
transition as bigger invitationto go deeper into some of that
embodiment work, intuitivefeeling.
And rather than fear it, look atit as little breadcrumb crumbs,
if you will, to take bigger,bolder, uh, agency in their
(14:19):
health, much like you did at age16 by
Katie Beecher (14:21):
Right, right.
Mary (14:22):
picking up the phone.
Katie Beecher (14:24):
Crazy.
Yes, I love that.
So I'd like to start with theconcept of just some
self-acceptance because self is,feels pretty outta reach for a
lot of people.
We're very hard on ourselves,we.
Mary (14:40):
Of course.
Katie Beecher (14:40):
It feels kind of like, wow, I don't know if I'll
ever get there, but how aboutjust getting to know yourself?
Self-acceptance, good, bad,ugly.
So a really great tool is juststart a list on your phone or
whatever and start listingthings about you.
So judgment.
And it can be the color of yourhair, it can be I like this food
(15:04):
or I really hate this one.
Or it doesn't have to be thisbig, huge stuff.
Just little tidbits about whoyou are, what's important to you
what you don't like.
And the more you start thinkingthat way, the more that when you
are.
(15:26):
Approached by a certain personor introduced to a different
opportunity or something, youstart to think, does that
resonate with me?
Is that good for me?
Am I getting red flags aboutmaybe this isn't a great person
for me, or job or something?
(15:48):
So you immediately start to lookat life from.
What do I need?
Who am I instead of what's goingon outside of me?
And I like to teach people thatintuition is basically a source
of unconditional love andacceptance,
Mary (16:06):
Right.
Katie Beecher (16:07):
like a bodyguard, something that knows everything
about you and loves you.
And the more you get what youneed from spirit, intuition,
whatever you wanna call it,because whatever you call it
doesn't matter.
The less important it is whatother people are doing and
saying and thinking, and theless important, it's what people
think of you.
(16:28):
So if you are your foundation,everything kind of flows from
there.
Mary (16:32):
Oh my goodness.
So much of the work of GaryZuckoff, of the Seed of the Soul
is coming to mind right now forme in that heat.
He really tells teach us to tapinto the soul, the soul purpose,
the lessons to learn in the souljourney.
Understanding that there's partsof our personality that are
there, to, live in a materialworld or into a human body, if
(16:54):
you will.
But as we go deeper into thesoul and get to know that soul,
who we are at the foundation,the root of who we are,
spiritually.
That those parts of herpersonalities start to fall off.
for me, I feel like when I wasreading that part of this, that
chapter, I really felt likethere's parts of my per
(17:16):
personality that didn't exist.
or had existed perimenopause orpre perimenopause.
And were there probably toprotect me just to survive in
the corporate workplace.
And now there are parts of mypersonality.
That Are showing up.
Others have fallen off.
(17:36):
It's like I feel sometimes feellike a different woman almost
sometimes.
And If it wasn't for the workthat I'm have done as a
menopause doula, I think itwould've scared the shit outta
me because I'm actually amquestioning things that I used
to do, or like perimenopause orpre perimenopause.
(17:58):
And I think.
Well, I love who I am today.
I wouldn't wanna change it forall of the broken parts or the
faults in my, in the stars.
But looking back, I think, oh,that poor, stubborn, unaware
woman girl who she was.
(18:18):
So let's like, let's talk aboutthat personality part, which is.
By and large, the material partof who we are.
Just I guess, to protect theego.
I'd like to unpack that somemore.
Katie Beecher (18:31):
Yeah, so I really love Young in psychology because
young gets into all of thisstuff of the different.
Aspects of who you are and wherethey came from
Mary (18:41):
Yeah.
Katie Beecher (18:42):
and that they all serve a purpose.
Maybe you got some of them fromother people, or we get them
from our experiences.
But to look at ourselves intotality and be like, there are
parts of me that are pretty darngreat and serve me pretty well.
And then there are parts thatget in my own way and give me
these messages of you're notgood enough.
(19:04):
Or what does somebody gottathink?
Or, and narcissism and beingreally loving and giving, and we
all have these parts.
So I think to the more we get toknow ourselves from a
nonjudgmental perspective and belike, okay, I'm not gonna spend
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a lot of time like feelingguilty or feeling bad about the
things in my past that I didthat didn't serve me other than
to learn from them, right?
And I'm going to allow newexperiences.
And new ways of doing things.
And it's like if you had told me10 years ago that I would be on
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a pole, okay doing some prettycool acrobatics in a bikini,
competing on a stage in front ofa, an entire auditorium of
people, any of those, any ofthose little parts, I would've
been like, you are out of yourfreaking mind.
There's, there's just no way.
And because I found something Ilove that helps me to get to
(20:16):
know myself and express myselfand be creative and these things
that I would've been terrified,literally terrified.
My, my family used to make funof me and they'd be like, you
wanna even put on a bathingsuit?
And now who you are.
So, and I think that the older Igot, the more I figured out
these are the people who matter.
(20:37):
These are the people maybe whonot only don't matter, but don't
even know me, and I'm gonna domore of what I want.
And the more you challenge thosefears, and it doesn't happen
overnight, I'm not gonna saythis is easy.
It's little by littlebreadcrumbs like you said, but
the more you challenge thosefears, the more you realize
(20:57):
that, oh, maybe I can't do that.
Maybe didn't need to be soafraid of that.
And okay, well maybe.
That person got mad at me, butmaybe I didn't really need that
relationship or just really coolthings happen when we evolve.
Mary (21:15):
Yes.
Oh my goodness.
Look at the trajectory of yourlife from disorders, which was.
Which is profoundly rooted in anabsence of self-love and trying
to fit in.
And let's face it, back in 83,it was all about the magazines,
right?
People Magazine, what we lookedlike.
(21:36):
They would even put your weightin brackets next to the
celebrity's name.
What the hell?
So no wonder that girls who Drewgrew up in the Gen X generation
were just inundated with, you'renot good enough.
And so to go right through thatfull spectrum of your life to
(21:57):
being very, like you said, frontand center in a bikini on a
stage, your legs around a pole.
What, what what a testimony thatis.
Uh, but like you said, it's notalways easy.
So, I know is just absolutelyfascinating because I, the
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question of my name and my age,and you can do all that, but
we'll get back to that, for thatjourney to bring in a woman
through that journey.
And I think at some level we allhave that highly sensitive
nature, That empathy, isprobably one of the strongest
women's intuition to be able tobreak free of all those societal
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norms and just become that fullsoul expression of who we're
meant to be.
So do you recognize that empathywithin individuals and help them
ignite it?
Or what else is it?
Within the individuals, thewomen that you work with, to
help them bring out all thosetraits that they need to move
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past fear into acceptance andself love.
Katie Beecher (23:13):
So when you were talking one of the things that
came up is that so many humans,but especially women, are
really, really sensitive.
Like when I was told I was sooverly sensitive that it was
painful and I think a lot ofpeople can relate to that,
(23:35):
especially women.
So what that sometimes leads tois being able to feel other
people's pain, and then as womenwe are told that it is your job
to fix it or take care of.
Maybe we watched our moms dothat maybe we thought that was
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how we were supposed to be, andyou got a lot of acceptance and
kudos for that.
Good girl, you're doing all thisstuff.
And so.
One of the things that I do and,and people who come to me, I
have to say some have physicalillnesses, some have emotional
stuff, some just wanna know moreabout themselves and their lives
(24:19):
and how to connect to intuitionor their relationship or, so
it's all over the place.
It's not just people who aresick.
So but a, a really common themeseems to be, what do I do with
these really strong feelings?
What do I do when.
I'm really, really sensitive.
I have a hard time maybe tuningpeople out, or I'm afraid to
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hurt people's feelings.
I'm afraid that if I say what Ineed to say or set boundaries
that I'm gonna hurt somebodyelse or, so.
One of the things that I like toteach people is number one, and
this not my words, it's a verywise person who said this to me.
Other people's pain might be thebest gift you ever gave them
Mary (25:02):
Oh.
Katie Beecher (25:03):
because.
Sometimes we need that pain togrow and learn.
I am so grateful for the eatingdisorder because if that had not
happened, I, first of all, I'dbe dead.
Because I hated myself.
And it was having to go throughthat struggle and reach rock,
(25:24):
rock bottom to be like, this isnot working.
You have to make a change.
So it took that to separate mefrom my dysfunctional family.
It took that to help me to getto know and to come to terms
with my weird abilities so Ilike to help people see the
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challenges that they're goingthrough as messengers and things
that they can learn from and to,and even the sensitivity, like
use it as a tool, but also knowthat you are in control of your
energy at all times.
So you can't actually absorbother people's energy, even
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though you think you do.
You have the control.
So it's like if I walked aroundopen all the time, my life would
be really overwhelming.
But as a therapist, as comingfrom a dysfunctional family, as
an intuitive, I've had to learnto turn it off and on so that I
can protect myself.
From the rest of the world, andthen also tune in when I need to
(26:30):
too.
So we all have that ability.
Mary (26:33):
Yeah.
Ah, wow.
Wow.
So that How then okay.
I'm gonna switch gears a littlebit
Katie Beecher (26:46):
Okay.
Mary (26:46):
it snake on me When you, when people come to work with
you goop describes it as eerilyaccurate when people come to
work with you or just provideyou with their name and their
age to help them with a.
I'm gonna call it their soulmap, right?
That your four page document,but a soul map, a visual
(27:06):
representation of what'shappening so that they know they
can start identifying where tomake those wise choices to step
into the greater version ofthemselves.
I like to think certainly in thecontext of the midlife
transition.
Okay.
of all, the very first time youever did that, like how did you
figure out that this wasactually something and it
(27:28):
worked?
Katie Beecher (27:30):
So, yeah.
My mom got really sick.
And I became her caretaker.
And that really rocked my worldbecause everything I had doing,
been doing before then I had tostop.
And it makes you, she almostdied.
Well, she eventually did die,but at the time she had almost
died.
And it really made you look atlike, what's important, what's
(27:50):
not is the stuff that I've beendoing every day that I thought
was important, actuallyimportant.
And it made me want to godeeper.
Mary (27:58):
Mm.
Katie Beecher (27:58):
And so I, I don't know how things appear
sometimes, right?
And I heard the term medicalintuition and I thought, I've
always been super interested inmedicine.
I came pretty close to going tomedical school.
I have the intuition background,like what is this?
So I read Mona Alicia Schultzhas pretty famous medical
(28:23):
intuitive and I took a look ather book and she happened to be
doing a three day workshop eonsago, and it was just like
introduction to it.
What is it?
What does it mean?
What are chara?
Stuff like that.
So she was like, I'm going togive you a name and age, and I
want you to just write downeverything you can about person.
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And we didn't know if it was aperson or animal or whatever.
And I, I'm like, there's no wayin hell, like, I'm gonna be so
embarrassed, I'm not gonna beable to do this.
This is insane.
I started to write things downand then I started to see the
people or the animals, like noteven knowing it was an animal.
I started to see these peopleand see characteristics and one
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of them was this older woman andI saw her like hunched over and
I knew what color hair she hadand I could see inside her body
and I knew trait like thingsabout her emotionally and, and
it just was, the more we did it,the more I knew and I'm like,
how?
How is this happening to me?
And she even said, I don't knowwhat you actually do, but you
(29:26):
should probably think aboutdoing this.
And it was just really mindblowing and eyeopening, which is
why I really en encouragepeople, do things you haven't
done before.
Do things that stop you.
Find out more stuff.
And when I, like I did aworkshop up in Omega and I did
this exercise with people.
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And they thought the same thing.
They're like, no, I am not gonnabe able to do this.
And I'm like, just write it downfor yourself.
It's not a quiz.
You're not gonna, I'm not gonnaembarrass You And they were
pretty blown away by how muchthey knew about the person that
I was talking about with just aname in a H two.
So we, a lot of us have moreabilities than we think.
Right.
So it was then I said, there'ssomething to this and I just
(30:10):
started practicing on friends,on friends, dead relatives.
'cause it doesn't don't have tobe alive for me to do this on
their pets.
I just kept practicing and I wasinvolved with a spiritualist
church at the time too.
For people who don't know whatspiritualist churches are it's a
place where you could go get,intuitive readings and psychic
(30:34):
readings and energy healing.
And they believe in uh, usliving after we die and, and all
the things and in spiritcommunication and pretty cool
stuff.
But I just kept learning andlearning and learning and, and
my abilities have grown and I'vejust discovered more about it.
So if you ask me how I do it, Ihonestly can't tell you.
(30:56):
But people get the reports andthe paintings'cause I send them
before I meet with them.
This is, I can't BS this, youget this before I meet with you.
And then during the meeting Iget tons more information from
my guides too.
So, but they're always like,wow, you, you already know me.
This is so cool.
Like, we've already done so muchwork because I don't have to
(31:17):
tell you all of this stuff.
Mary (31:18):
Oh my goodness.
Katie Beecher (31:20):
Uh, yeah, it's, it's really awesome and it
allows us to do so much, get somuch done in an hour.
So some people don't even.
Need another appointment andsome people want to work with me
more, and, but you can get somuch out of that first
appointment.
Mary (31:36):
Oh wow.
Okay.
Sign me up first
Katie Beecher (31:38):
Awesome.
Mary (31:39):
and second.
You said something that I gonnahone in on my guides.
Katie Beecher (31:46):
Okay.
Mary (31:46):
My guides.
Okay.
So I'm a big believer in guides.
But tell us a little bit aboutwhat that means.
First of all, guides and to workwith guides.
Katie Beecher (31:58):
Wonderful question.
When I first was taught how toconnect to my intuition when I
was 16.
Thank you.
Thank you, God, for bringing methis person.
I had no clue what I was doing.
It was so weird, and I'm justlike, I don't know.
Like I knew the concept ofhaving a voice in my head and I
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just called it God.
Which is great, and it just feltlike love.
And she taught me to, eventhough this feels weird and
foreign and all that stuff, tryto connect to a piece of you
that loves you unconditionally.
that's the goal.
And so I called it God and themore I did it.
(32:40):
The more I realized that I wasalso talking to my intuitive
guides.
I was also talking to whatever'sin spirit.
I was also, so it felt like abunch of different entities and
people, even people like mygrandparents and things like
that.
So the name guides I think canbe hmm.
(33:04):
Overwhelming and, and misleadingonly because it puts pressure on
people to define it.
So when I think about my guidesI know that there is a.
Centuries old man who wasinvolved in American Indian
traditions.
(33:25):
There's a couple of women ofdifferent ages who have Latino
az techy things never seen theirfaces, so I only have an image
of what they look like, and thenmy grandparents are there, and
then I see this half table.
(33:46):
And the initial guides are likethe first people on that
circular table.
And then I just see rows androws and rows and rows of
beings.
And we all have a team.
So, and we're all connected.
And even quantum physics, we'reall connected, right?
(34:06):
Collective unconscious, all ofthe things.
So I think that we draw from notonly spiritual beings, if you
will, but also ancestors andbeliefs and DNA and myths and
all the good Jungian stuff.
Mary (34:22):
For you and I to sit down and have this conversation,
well, first of all, 20 years agohaving this conversation on
podcasting was.
Unheard of in the virtual space,but just to see the topic alone
20 years ago would've been witchcrazy, hormonal whereas today,
today we have theseconversations and everyone
(34:45):
lights up.
I really feel that we are livingin such a great time, but a
precipice of massive change.
And now the world is becomingmore introduced because of
these.
channels, these platformsintroduced to people like
yourself, Katie.
this is bringing, I think, somuch hope and encouragement at a
(35:06):
time where there's climateanxiety, there's political
unrest, not to bring us downthat road, but don't think we
can exist in all the parts ofwho we are without being
consciously aware of and evenstressed out by these external
factors.
(35:26):
then you pair that with themenopausal journey, which is so
massively disruptive in itselfwith the hormone shifts So how
then do you feel thatspirituality, this awakening to
spirituality.
Is in itself like a panacea thatone cure medicine that she could
(35:46):
always turn to.
Katie Beecher (35:49):
The first thing I wanna say is I love your outlook
because I agree with it and itsaddens me when I hear from
people who tell me that I amSatan.
What I do is against the Bible.
That fear based patriarchalstuff, and it really, really
(36:12):
makes me sad.
Because it's people, mostlywomen, but even men do, who are
shutting off a whole side ofthemselves because of things
that they don't understand andthink they can't control.
So that makes me very, very sadbecause I, everything I do is
based in love and God, and it'sjust to help people's lives and
(36:35):
help empower them, which can bescary.
So there's that, but.
I, I really do feel likeembracing spirituality, which to
me means connection with love,connection with each other,
connection with your authenticself, helps you to be the most
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you can be and be happy.
And if we're.
Listening to ourselves and haveself-love, then we can help
others feel that way too.
And every single time I workwith people, there is always a
connection between what iswrong, so physical illness,
(37:24):
emotional illness, somethinglike that, and a lack of
self-love and self-acceptance.
Then that goes along with notbeing able to express who you
fully are and pushing that down.
So when I was going through myrecovery, I heard loud and clear
with acceptance, withself-acceptance, self-love and
(37:47):
connection, and to intuition.
You can heal from just aboutanything.
And they told me that was gonnabe the centerpiece of my work
and my book.
And I, it's just keeps everyperson I work with, I'm just
like, there it is again.
Mary (38:03):
Yes, again, it goes right back to that earlier point.
It starts with the self-love.
Katie Beecher (38:08):
Mm-hmm.
Mary (38:09):
And now of course a lot of us have had incidents, Because
it's not necessarily genetics.
As we've heard before, genesload the gun, but the
environment pulls the trigger,so we are not pre-ordained or
predestined because there aregenetics to be a certain way, be
(38:29):
it a neurodivergent trait.
We are exposed to things thatbring trauma to the body and
then it is I, yeah.
Understand, and you can correctme if I'm wrong, it's our
ability to cope with that traumathat masks the true essence of
who we are and interferesplaces, obstacles in the way for
us to be authentic and to trulylove and know thyself.
(38:52):
So your work does.
Onto past traumas and childhoodtraumas and neurodivergent
traits.
Tell us a little bit how thatcomes into play then in the
healing journey.
Katie Beecher (39:05):
Yeah, very, very much.
When I look into someone's lifetime.
Time as we know it, it does notexist.
So I see someone's lifetimeright in front of me and from
childhood to whenever, wherever.
(39:26):
And the way that I know thatsomething is like current is
it's a louder voice.
It's this clearer picture,something like that.
And it's more faint.
If it's maybe happened to themin childhood or if it's related
to somebody else they care aboutor love, because I get messages
for people they care about too,because I that's how we operate.
So I don't believe that peoplehave to rehash every single
(39:52):
thing that happened to them intheir childhood.
And I work with some peoplewho've dealt with unbelievably
severe.
Abuse, like through Catholicchurch stuff or contest or cults
or things like that.
Just such sad, scary stuff.
(40:12):
And so a lot of the time,because they have developed
these coping mechanisms tosurvive the feelings get pushed
down and emotions get pusheddown and they're, they do come
out in the body and all thatother good stuff, but it's like,
how.
Is that stuff still impactingyou?
(40:34):
Are you still hearing voicesfrom people during that time?
Is the way that you were made tofeel then, like you didn't
matter, like all the things, isthat still impacting you?
I'm a really big one on lookingat now and how to move forward
rather than just dwelling on thepast, even though the, the past
(40:58):
does shape who we are, so it'smore about like moving forward
and living in the now, but alsoare you holding on to any of
that stuff?
And how is it shaping whatyou're doing?
But it's so significant andneurodivergence has become a
very interesting term.
(41:19):
it.
Means so many things.
And I definitely am, most peoplein my family are, and whether
that means autism stuff or A DHDor creativity or gifted or
there's so many meanings nowthat almost has lost its meaning
(41:40):
in some ways.
So I really don't love labels.
I really like to help people getto know who they are.
And what it means for them.
Not that some of those labelscan't be like really
educational.
Mary (41:55):
at what point then in all the work that you'd been doing
that you realized, I have towrite this down in a book.
Get this out to the masses.
Katie Beecher (42:06):
when I was going through my recovery when I was
16 I was like, okay, you'regonna write a book, you're gonna
speak, you're gonna get to helpa lot of people.
Fine.
Well, of course I put it offbecause I don't know what the
hell I'm doing.
and you go through life's crapand shit and all this stuff.
And so, uh, mid forties I findout that I had Lyme disease.
(42:29):
I'd had it since I was a kid.
I grew up next to Lyme,Connecticut, finally diagnosed,
no one ever diagnosed me, blah,blah, blah.
And one of the things I like toteach people and use.
Is, and this is what I did withmy eating disorder, is I wrote
to it as a friend
Mary (42:44):
Oh.
Katie Beecher (42:44):
and I let it write back to me.
There's all these techniques inmy book.
I wrote to it as a friend and Iwas like, all right, here you
are.
What would you like?
Why are you bugging the hell outof me?
What do you need?
How, how do you need me to helpyou?
What do you need to heal?
What's your message?
What are we doing here?
And so you see it as a teammember instead of something that
you have to fight or be afraidof, or control or have anxiety
(43:07):
about.
So I did that with a Lyme and Irefuse to say my Lyme or label
any of the symptoms with my, butI'm just like, okay, Lyme, hi,
what do you want?
What are, what are we doing?
How can I heal?
'cause I.
I'm done with all this crap andit, it wrote back to me and it
said, it's time to write yourbook proposal.
Finally, if you wanna heal, youneed to do that.
(43:29):
And I'm like, shit.
So it was time.
I muddled my way through lots ofproposals, got help and found an
agent.
Was very fortunate.
Went through about 80 millioniterations of proposals and
(43:50):
found St.
Martin's Press who really likedthe concept and helped me finish
the book.
Mary (43:57):
Okay.
Katie Beecher (43:58):
and so that's what happened.
So I, if you wanna write a bookor wanna do anything, like if
you think you are not capable ofit, you'd be surprised what you
are capable of.
So.
Mary (44:08):
So true.
did you call upon the guides orwere
Katie Beecher (44:11):
Oh heck yeah.
Oh yeah.
It was like, okay, I really havea DD and I need a little help
with that just while I'mwriting.
Because I can't focus'causethere's too much in my head.
There's 35 year, there's at thatpoint 50 something years of
experience.
Too much was coming at me all atonce.
Didn't even know how to focus atall or whatever.
Mary (44:31):
Yeah.
Katie Beecher (44:31):
But I was like, I need help.
Please help me write this.
And it's like when I used topaint and stuff, the more you
let it work through, you let itmeaning your guides and your
creativity and stuff the betterthe product is and the less you
stress about it.
And it's funny because I don'tremember everything that's in my
(44:51):
book.
Like I, because
Mary (44:53):
Yeah.
Katie Beecher (44:54):
So much.
I didn't really write, like Ijust let it come through me.
It's like when I do readings,people will, I will remember if
I meet with them again becausemy guys make me remember, but I
don't consciously remember.
Mary (45:06):
I feel the need to share this, so I have a deck of my
Oracle cards.
again, it, for me, it's not woowoo, it's just something fun.
And there they were, next to myyoga mat this morning and I
looked at them.
I went today's a good day tocall upon heart again.
'cause I love to do that.
And these are the archangel,fire Oracle cards, Alexandra
Wenman.
(45:26):
So I did my little thing,shuffle the deck, tapped three
times and pulled one out.
And it was the Archangel Aerialwho is the archangel of nature
and animals.
And of course, cultivating love,self-love, which is very ironic
that I pulled her.
And then of course, the othernight I had a dream about my
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beloved ishka, my husky, that weunfortunately had to say goodbye
to for cancer last, March.
really impressed though thatanimals come through and you
said I don't know whether it's aperson's name or an animal's
name.
Is there something differentabout when an animal is coming
through to you or you're feelingthe presence?
And I like to understand that alittle bit more.
Katie Beecher (46:10):
I love animal reading so much.
Mary (46:13):
Oh, good.
Katie Beecher (46:13):
sometimes they even come through in the
paintings.
I will draw person's animal nextto the spirit, symbolic image of
them they go through, comethrough that way too.
The really fun thing aboutanimals is.
First of all, they are here forus.
We think we're here to take careof them.
It's the opposite.
They are here to take care ofus.
so they take on so many of ourtraits and our physical symptoms
(46:39):
and our pain because they wantto shield us.
And when I do animal readings,it's very funny because some
people will.
Do anything for their animals.
So they'll get an animalreading, but they're not really
ready to look at themselves.
Or there's some fear or healthanxiety about learning more
(46:59):
about themselves.
But animals are sneaky and sothey tell me things not only
about themselves, but they tellme lots of things about their
humans.
And it's a very fun way to getthe human to talk about their
things and what they need tochange and what they need to
(47:22):
work on, because they don't wanttheir animals to be hurt or
harmed or impacted.
So if a person is dealing withanxiety, that's a really blanket
one, but the animal picks up onthat and then the animal gets
sick.
Or something and the human'slike, oh my God, I didn't know I
(47:45):
was doing that to them.
I don't wanna make them sick.
What can I do to work on me tohelp them?
And it's, it's a very coolthing.
But it's, they animals feel justlike humans.
When I work with them horses, Iknow nothing about horses except
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when I do readings, and they'reincredibly fascinating because
they're so human.
They're almost super human, andthey feel very much like I'm
talking to humans and I really.
I have no proof of this, but Ithink that we are reincarnated
(48:27):
as each other, so humans andanimals reincarnate as each
other.
That's just my feeling.
But yeah, they talk to me justlike I'm talking to any other
human spirit thing, Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mary (48:41):
had disclosed too that my beloved ishka, she passed of
cancer too.
Now it makes me think back andit was rapid.
It started out as a small golfball and eng gof into a grape
size,
Katie Beecher (48:52):
Aw,
Mary (48:53):
on her leg is that makes me think back.
And I heard that one once beforeand I thought she took on so
much.
There must have been something.
Within me or maybe my lineage.
I don't know.
Katie Beecher (49:06):
not as a blaming thing.
Don't take that on as a blamething, right?
Because we also, it's like whenkids get sick or, which is just
horrible to think about, but anentire family is impacted by
that child or by that pet
Mary (49:24):
right.
Katie Beecher (49:25):
so sometimes it's about what are the lessons that
an entire family learns or
Mary (49:31):
Okay.
Katie Beecher (49:32):
how maybe because your animal is sick.
You slow down, you stop whatyou're doing, you put your
priorities in order, and youmake more time to spend with
that animal.
And the crap that you thoughtwas important maybe isn't.
And maybe you're like, I don'tneed to say yes to that party or
(49:55):
to that obligation because I'mgonna spend time with my animal.
So there's so many lessons.
Mary (50:01):
Stomach lessons.
Ugh.
Gosh.
Okay.
said something pretty profoundearlier on and it really
deserves the attention.
'cause I just love it and thatwas, you'll pry hormones from my
cold dead hands.
Tell us all about that.
Katie Beecher (50:19):
So for me, we are all individuals.
My hormones have been wonky fora very long time.
I have ERUs Syndrome, which is aconnective tissue disorder, and
one of the side effects of that,it's, that's a whole shown in of
itself, but one of these sideeffects is that you, it, your
hormones can get wonky and allsorts of things, PSOs and stuff.
(50:41):
So, had postpartum depression,but it was a year and a half
later, I got put on psych meds.
Thank God.
My gynecologist was like, no,there's something wrong with
your hormones.
I was 29, got put on estrogenfine unopposed, estrogen, which
a lot of doctors would be like,oh my God, you're, yeah.
Did that kill you?
No, I'm still here.
(51:03):
That changed my life and becauseof that it helped a lot of
different things and so.
That made me a believer inhelping myself with hormones and
with also helping women of allages be like, just'cause you're
20 doesn't mean that yourhormones are normal.
(51:23):
And so you know, all this kindof stuff.
And so I am on an estrogenpatch.
And bioidentical estrogen creamand then bioidentical
testosterone from a compoundingpharmacy and all that.
And DHEA.
And for me, it has changed mylife in so, so, so many ways.
(51:43):
So, physically, emotionally,spiritually strength sex drive.
Yay.
Helped with the weight thatweirdly came on my body when I
turned 50 that wasn't therebefore.
Just self-confidence, it helpswith some of that intense
sensitivity.
So it helped dull down some ofthat sensitivity that was
(52:06):
overwhelming, that would get inthe way of me being able to make
decisions and things like that.
So it's just helped so manythings and thankfully more and
more doctors are treating withsymptoms.
Based on symptoms rather thanjust blood tests.
They are treating it as aquality of life issue rather
(52:29):
than just getting you throughsymptoms because we deserve to
feel as good as we possibly canfor as long as we possibly can.
They give men testosterone andCialis and all this stuff when
there's like a hundred.
So, why are we so I reallyencourage women to explore those
(52:53):
possibilities.
Not everybody can do it, buteven if you're 60 and one doctor
says, oh, you're past menopause,maybe there's stuff you could do
and maybe other doctors wouldn'ttake that perspective.
So for me, it's been a greatthing.
Mary (53:12):
I'm glad you shared that, Katie, because yet again, it's
another tool in the toolbox ofour, of the whole person that we
are, to have that quality oflife and perform optimally just
the way we are meant to beindependence, aging in place and
that when we look at itholistically, is responsibility
of everybody because it can be aburden on our healthcare system.
(53:33):
When we, when we don't honor aperson's right to have quality
of life and to age in place.
Katie Beecher (53:39):
And also the people around us.
We're not nice if our hormonesare like it affects everybody.
Mary (53:44):
And that energy transmutes from ourselves to others that
whole entire ripple effect.
Which you alluded to earlier.
I, I can't wait to dive intoyour book.
Please tell the listeners wherethey can find it and where they
can find you and perhaps you'llget a plethora of emails of My
name's and I'm 33.
(54:05):
I'm Sam, and I'm 64.
Katie Beecher (54:07):
I love it.
So my book is called Heal FromWithin A Guide to Intuitive
Wellness.
And you can get like everyAmazon, every, it's available
everywhere wherever books aresold.
I recommend the book rather thanthe audio, although a lot of
people get both.
'cause there's a ton of visualaids and tools and there's some
(54:27):
examples of some of my paintingsin there.
And it's designed to go througha workbook and take your time
with it.
Mark it up and all those kind ofthings.
my website is katie beecher.comthat's where you can go and make
your appointment for thereadings.
There's a couple of differentoptions and we report and
painting or without, orwhatever, but there's, there's
(54:48):
different options.
And I work with people all overthe world by Zoom,
Mary (54:51):
this has been such a delight.
I am so glad that you found me.
And that I just knew that, well,she's definitely someone I need
to talk to, so, and we, here weare
Katie Beecher (55:02):
I love it.
Thank you so much for having me.
Mary (55:04):
baby.
Thank you so much for yourprecious time and your energy to
share with us here today.
Mary Lee (55:10):
Wow, that was an incredible, powerful, deeply
nourishing conversation.
And Katie reminds us thathealing isn't linear.
It isn't even one dimensional.
It's an integration of thephysical, emotional, and
spiritual parts of ourselves andher journey, as a licensed
counselor and a medicalintuitive shows just how
transformative it can be when welearn to trust our inner
(55:32):
guidance.
So here are a few key takeawaysI got from today's conversation.
Number one, menopause is not adecline, it's an awakening.
Katie invited us to see thistransition as a portal into
self-discovery, a time toreassess who we are, what we
need, and what we're no longerwilling to carry.
(55:53):
Number two.
Intuition and self-acceptanceare essential tools, and she
encourages us to listen inward,honor our desires, and let go of
the old beliefs that keep usplaying small.
Midlife becomes lighter when westop abandoning ourselves.
Number three, sensitivity isstrength.
Amen to that.
Rather than seeing sensitivityas a flaw like I did growing up,
(56:16):
and probably many of us too.
Katie reframed it as a powerful.
Instrument for deeper awarenessand connection, so long as we
protect that energy and keephealthy boundaries.
And number four, healingrequires courage and honesty.
And from Katie's own experienceswith trauma caregiving and
hormonal imbalance, she makes itclear we need to address these
(56:40):
past wounds, love ourselvesfiercely, and ask for support.
These are all non-negotiables inour healing journey.
And lastly, it wouldn't be aMenopause Disruptor podcast
episode if we didn't talk aboutat least one of the
interventions.
And this one, hormonal therapyhormone therapy is deeply
personal and it's deeplyimpactful.
(57:03):
And Katie opened up about herown hormonal struggles and the
life changing benefits of.
Menopause hormone therapyhighlighting the need for more
system centered care, morenuance, and far more validation
for women seeking answers.
So if any of this in today'sconversation resonated with you,
I hope it serves as a remindertoo, that you are not meant to
(57:26):
simply survive midlife.
You are meant to evolve throughit and to thrive.
You're allowed to be curious,intuitive, sensitive, bold, and
absolutely beautiful.
so grateful to Katie for showingus what it looks like to live
with radical self-trust and forgiving women permission to
embrace their whole selves, andthank you for listening taking
(57:47):
time out of your busy day tolisten to this episode.
until next time, stay curious,stay compassionate, and keep
disrupting the menopausenarrative.
That is a bunch of crap because it's about our
quality of life and not justgetting through something in, in
an unpleasant way.
Like why do we have to suffer?
So, and also listening to yourbody, your intuition, being
like, I don't have worry so muchabout taking care of kids
anymore or what people thinkanymore, Mm-hmm.
(00:24):
So it's such a freeing time.
And I work with people who.
Don't really know themselves,haven't really set boundaries,
have taken care of everybodyelse, all their life.
And now they're like, I wannalive differently and maybe get
outta my dumb marriage that I'vebeen in for a while, or change
jobs or whatever.
But it's just, you're, it'snever too late, to find your
(00:45):
way.
And if you piss a few people offalong the way, oh well,
Mary Lee (00:51):
Welcome back, my listeners.
Today I'm joined by theincredible Katie Beecher.
She's a medical and a spiritualintuitive, a licensed
professional counselor, andinternationally recognized
healer whose work has beenfeatured in Goop, poosh Miranda
Kerr's blog Coast to Coast am.
(01:12):
Bloom TV and so many more.
She has over 35 years ofexperience and more than 200
features across media, podcastsand summits.
Katie is known for her uniqueintuitive readings.
Where she creates a detailedfour page report and a stunning,
intuitive soul painting, knowingonly the person's name and age.
(01:35):
Let me tell you, I wasabsolutely fascinated with this
skill, and we will get into it.
In this episode, Katie brings apowerful blend of science,
intuition, and lived experienceto her work, and in this
podcast, you're going to hearher story, her awakening.
since then, she's helpedcountless people address the
root cause of illness andemotional distress, drawing upon
(01:57):
her own profound healing journeyNow she's age 60.
And she's not only a championfor midlife vitality.
Listen to this.
She's also a two time nationalchampion, pole and aerial
athlete.
So incredible.
And she has been breaking downstereotypes about aging,
menopause, and femininestrength.
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Wow.
Love it.
Her bestselling book Heal FromWithin A Guide to Intuitive
Wellness, offers us the reader'sgrounded research-backed
approach to intuitive healingand self-discovery.
Katie's story and her work are abeautiful reminder that healing
is both an art and a practice ofdeep listening, listening to our
bodies, our intuition, and oursoul's truth.
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I can't wait for you to hear herstory.
Please join me in welcomingKatie Beecher to the Menopause
Disruptive Podcast.
Mary (02:49):
Katie.
Katie Beecher (02:51):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm very excited.
Mary (02:54):
So much, so much to unpack.
let's begin.
I always love to begin being atrue communicator that I was for
over 24 years in pr.
I always like to begin with aperson's backstory.
Katie Beecher (03:07):
Certainly So I've always been able to know that
there was something more thanwhat we can see and hear.
Even as a very young child, Iwould hear voices in my head and
be able to communicate withanimals and know what other
people were thinking.
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I had this BS meter especiallywith a pretty dysfunctional
family and being like, this isnot okay and this isn't real.
And thankfully I felt like I hadsome guidance along the way,
even like at three.
And so really empathic andsensitive and all the things
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that are annoying and also cooland around when I was 16.
I was in the throes of an eatingdisorder, really, really bad,
throwing up three times a day,
Mary (04:00):
Oh
Katie Beecher (04:01):
suicidal just had had it with the whole thing.
And I came home from school anddecided to call our pediatrician
without telling my parents atall, because they wouldn't have
been any help.
And I said, I am making myselfthrow up and I need help.
And it was 1983, so no onereally talked about eating
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disorders then.
But, and he said you'll probablybe fine, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, no, definitely,definitely not fine.
But he hooked me up with ayoungian psychologist and young
stuff is all about spiritualityand intuition and self-love and
symbolism and all the coolthings that I had in my life
(04:44):
already, but didn't know what todo with.
So worked really hard andlearned how to do a lot of the
things that I teach in my book.
Like, talk to your body and talkto your guides and find
self-love and look at themessages behind your symptoms
and how to befriend yourdisorders and all kinds of good
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stuff.
And, I didn't really know whatto do with being a medium or an
intuitive, but I always workedreally intuitively in my
sessions because I came a,became a licensed counselor
shortly right after you.
I got my, bachelor's in master'sand eventually the abilities
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became stronger and stronger andI couldn't really, I didn't have
them.
And so I started working as amedical intuitive.
It's not just medical, it'sphysical, emotional, and
spiritual.
So I really tune into the wholeperson and with just a name and
an age, I create a four pagereport really detailed about a
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person's entire life.
So it's.
Childhood and career andrelationships and intuitive
abilities and physical stuff andemotional stuff and trauma and
all the things.
And then I also create anintuitive soul painting.
Which is symbolic way of showingwhat's going on in people's
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bodies and their energy fields.
And so yeah, I'm reallyfortunate to be doing this work
and love talking about menopausebecause it's so important and
para menopause and all thethings.
And I'm 60.
So I told my doctor that they'regoing to take my hormones outta
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my cold dead hands.
Mary (06:33):
My gosh, I can take this in a million directions, but the
first one that comes to mind andtrue to the name of this
podcast, menopause Disruptor,just exactly how bridging
clinical psychology and medicalintuitive counseling.
Into disrupting the status quoof the medical interventions
(06:56):
that have been out there totreat women or not.
'cause let's face it, we havebeen outright dismissed and
ignored in research.
does the work you do totallydisrupt the status quo?
Katie Beecher (07:11):
I love talking about this and also just the
concept of aging and agestereotypes and all those
things, right?
So I'm pretty.
Disruptive myself so I am, I'm60, as I said.
I am a a pole sport athlete andI do aerial arts and I've won
(07:33):
two national championships onpole.
Mary (07:36):
Fantastic.
Katie Beecher (07:37):
Right.
Started six years ago.
I love it.
It's the best thing I've everdone for myself.
I couldn't do anything when Istarted.
So people who think, yeah, I'vebeen good at this my whole life.
No, not at all.
And it's just so empoweringbecause I feel better about my
body than ever.
I feel better about myselfcoming from an eating disorder
background.
I have to wear basically bikinito, to stick to the pole or I
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fall on my head and die.
So.
I had to get over that reallyquickly and it's so fun to be in
classes with people half my ageor less than that and be able to
inspire them.
Like age doesn't matter, so justby the way, I live my life.
I like to be a disruptor.
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But so much of health,especially women's health,
emotional and spiritual andspiritual and physical.
Is holistic and it's, it shouldbe from a root cause perspective
and.
With women, especiallymenopausal stuff, it's sort of
like, well if you're not havinghot flashes, you're fine.
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If you're not having symptoms,you are just fine and you don't
really need a sex drive anymore.
You you, don't need to have anyenergy or enjoy life or it's
just menopause is just somethingyou get through and I'm like.
That is a bunch of crap becauseit's about our quality of life
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and not just getting throughsomething in, in an unpleasant
way.
Like why do we have to suffer?
So, and also listening to yourbody, your intuition, being
like, I don't have worry so muchabout taking care of kids
anymore or what people thinkanymore, so it's such a freeing
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time.
And I work with people who.
Don't really know themselves,haven't really set boundaries,
have taken care of everybodyelse, all their life.
And now they're like, I wannalive differently and maybe get
outta my dumb marriage that I'vebeen in for a while, or change
jobs or whatever.
But it's just, you're, it'snever too late to find your way.
And if you piss a few people offalong the way, oh well.
Mary (09:54):
it's been coined by, Ayurvedic practitioners and two
things about the menopausaltransition.
One, it's the time of the greatreveal.
This is a common thread that'sin my podcast episodes and that
what we have not dealt with.
Let's face it, women are good atpretending masking sh shelving
away and putting everybody elsefirst, so we can avoid taking
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care of ourselves.
And so they'll come to bearbecause estrogen leaves the
body, which is that greatprotective.
Mechanism.
And then two, Ayurveda says thatit's the age of wisdom, a time
to truly get to know our bodies.
And I love how you coin that.
It's not just the physical body,but it's the, uh, energetic
body, the emotional body, thespiritual body, the intuitive
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body.
and so it's that time to reallyget to know who we are on all
planes of existence, if youwill.
So let's talk about the workthat you do with women to help
them comfortable with some ofthese woowoo concepts, for lack
of a better terminology, likespirituality and tapping into
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what's already there to healwithin.
How do you work with yourclients in that direction
Katie Beecher (12:05):
So the first thing I wanna say is I am about
the least woo woo, really woowoo person you will ever meet
because I feel like intuition isnatural.
We're born with it.
Medical intuition is reallynatural.
When we or our kids, let's say,or somebody we know, when you
start to have symptoms, when youget a stomach ache, okay, you
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immediately have to tune in.
And because it gets yourattention.
The worse the stomachache is,the more it gets your attention.
'cause you may have beenignoring it, but you have to do
something like, okay, do I needto lay down?
Did I just eat something thatwas weird?
Do I need to have some crackers?
Do I need to throw up?
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Do I need to you're, you'reautomatically starting to do
this detective work.
Mary (12:54):
Right.
Katie Beecher (12:55):
especially with gut because.
The gut is one of my bad signalsand a lot of other people.
And what I mean by that is I mayhave gut symptoms before I
realize that I'm anxious aboutsomething or I may realize it a
little bit and my husband wouldbe like, you seem nervous.
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And I'm like, yeah, I'm fine,whatever.
But then my gut will be like, ohyeah, this is what's going on
and you need to pay attention.
So I.
Really like to help people totune into that in a natural
feeling way and let them knowthat there's nothing special
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about me.
I do have some pretty wildabilities, but there's nothing
that I do that you can't do foryourself to a certain degree as
well.
And it's really a reallyimportant part of my sessions
and my book that I teach peoplehow to do that.
Mary (13:54):
Wow, that's incredible.
So then how can women start to,to see their midlife and this
transition as bigger invitationto go deeper into some of that
embodiment work, intuitivefeeling.
And rather than fear it, look atit as little breadcrumb crumbs,
if you will, to take bigger,bolder, uh, agency in their
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health, much like you did at age16 by
Katie Beecher (14:21):
Right, right.
Mary (14:22):
picking up the phone.
Katie Beecher (14:24):
Crazy.
Yes, I love that.
So I'd like to start with theconcept of just some
self-acceptance because self is,feels pretty outta reach for a
lot of people.
We're very hard on ourselves,we.
Mary (14:40):
Of course.
Katie Beecher (14:40):
It feels kind of like, wow, I don't know if I'll
ever get there, but how aboutjust getting to know yourself?
Self-acceptance, good, bad,ugly.
So a really great tool is juststart a list on your phone or
whatever and start listingthings about you.
So judgment.
And it can be the color of yourhair, it can be I like this food
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or I really hate this one.
Or it doesn't have to be thisbig, huge stuff.
Just little tidbits about whoyou are, what's important to you
what you don't like.
And the more you start thinkingthat way, the more that when you
are.
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Approached by a certain personor introduced to a different
opportunity or something, youstart to think, does that
resonate with me?
Is that good for me?
Am I getting red flags aboutmaybe this isn't a great person
for me, or job or something?
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So you immediately start to lookat life from.
What do I need?
Who am I instead of what's goingon outside of me?
And I like to teach people thatintuition is basically a source
of unconditional love andacceptance,
Mary (16:06):
Right.
Katie Beecher (16:07):
like a bodyguard, something that knows everything
about you and loves you.
And the more you get what youneed from spirit, intuition,
whatever you wanna call it,because whatever you call it
doesn't matter.
The less important it is whatother people are doing and
saying and thinking, and theless important, it's what people
think of you.
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So if you are your foundation,everything kind of flows from
there.
Mary (16:32):
Oh my goodness.
So much of the work of GaryZuckoff, of the Seed of the Soul
is coming to mind right now forme in that heat.
He really tells teach us to tapinto the soul, the soul purpose,
the lessons to learn in the souljourney.
Understanding that there's partsof our personality that are
there, to, live in a materialworld or into a human body, if
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you will.
But as we go deeper into thesoul and get to know that soul,
who we are at the foundation,the root of who we are,
spiritually.
That those parts of herpersonalities start to fall off.
for me, I feel like when I wasreading that part of this, that
chapter, I really felt likethere's parts of my per
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personality that didn't exist.
or had existed perimenopause orpre perimenopause.
And were there probably toprotect me just to survive in
the corporate workplace.
And now there are parts of mypersonality.
That Are showing up.
Others have fallen off.
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It's like I feel sometimes feellike a different woman almost
sometimes.
And If it wasn't for the workthat I'm have done as a
menopause doula, I think itwould've scared the shit outta
me because I'm actually amquestioning things that I used
to do, or like perimenopause orpre perimenopause.
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And I think.
Well, I love who I am today.
I wouldn't wanna change it forall of the broken parts or the
faults in my, in the stars.
But looking back, I think, oh,that poor, stubborn, unaware
woman girl who she was.
(18:18):
So let's like, let's talk aboutthat personality part, which is.
By and large, the material partof who we are.
Just I guess, to protect theego.
I'd like to unpack that somemore.
Katie Beecher (18:31):
Yeah, so I really love Young in psychology because
young gets into all of thisstuff of the different.
Aspects of who you are and wherethey came from
Mary (18:41):
Yeah.
Katie Beecher (18:42):
and that they all serve a purpose.
Maybe you got some of them fromother people, or we get them
from our experiences.
But to look at ourselves intotality and be like, there are
parts of me that are pretty darngreat and serve me pretty well.
And then there are parts thatget in my own way and give me
these messages of you're notgood enough.
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Or what does somebody gottathink?
Or, and narcissism and beingreally loving and giving, and we
all have these parts.
So I think to the more we get toknow ourselves from a
nonjudgmental perspective and belike, okay, I'm not gonna spend
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a lot of time like feelingguilty or feeling bad about the
things in my past that I didthat didn't serve me other than
to learn from them, right?
And I'm going to allow newexperiences.
And new ways of doing things.
And it's like if you had told me10 years ago that I would be on
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a pole, okay doing some prettycool acrobatics in a bikini,
competing on a stage in front ofa, an entire auditorium of
people, any of those, any ofthose little parts, I would've
been like, you are out of yourfreaking mind.
There's, there's just no way.
And because I found something Ilove that helps me to get to
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know myself and express myselfand be creative and these things
that I would've been terrified,literally terrified.
My, my family used to make funof me and they'd be like, you
wanna even put on a bathingsuit?
And now who you are.
So, and I think that the older Igot, the more I figured out
these are the people who matter.
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These are the people maybe whonot only don't matter, but don't
even know me, and I'm gonna domore of what I want.
And the more you challenge thosefears, and it doesn't happen
overnight, I'm not gonna saythis is easy.
It's little by littlebreadcrumbs like you said, but
the more you challenge thosefears, the more you realize
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that, oh, maybe I can't do that.
Maybe didn't need to be soafraid of that.
And okay, well maybe.
That person got mad at me, butmaybe I didn't really need that
relationship or just really coolthings happen when we evolve.
Mary (21:15):
Yes.
Oh my goodness.
Look at the trajectory of yourlife from disorders, which was.
Which is profoundly rooted in anabsence of self-love and trying
to fit in.
And let's face it, back in 83,it was all about the magazines,
right?
People Magazine, what we lookedlike.
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They would even put your weightin brackets next to the
celebrity's name.
What the hell?
So no wonder that girls who Drewgrew up in the Gen X generation
were just inundated with, you'renot good enough.
And so to go right through thatfull spectrum of your life to
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being very, like you said, frontand center in a bikini on a
stage, your legs around a pole.
What, what what a testimony thatis.
Uh, but like you said, it's notalways easy.
So, I know is just absolutelyfascinating because I, the
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question of my name and my age,and you can do all that, but
we'll get back to that, for thatjourney to bring in a woman
through that journey.
And I think at some level we allhave that highly sensitive
nature, That empathy, isprobably one of the strongest
women's intuition to be able tobreak free of all those societal
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norms and just become that fullsoul expression of who we're
meant to be.
So do you recognize that empathywithin individuals and help them
ignite it?
Or what else is it?
Within the individuals, thewomen that you work with, to
help them bring out all thosetraits that they need to move
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past fear into acceptance andself love.
Katie Beecher (23:13):
So when you were talking one of the things that
came up is that so many humans,but especially women, are
really, really sensitive.
Like when I was told I was sooverly sensitive that it was
painful and I think a lot ofpeople can relate to that,
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especially women.
So what that sometimes leads tois being able to feel other
people's pain, and then as womenwe are told that it is your job
to fix it or take care of.
Maybe we watched our moms dothat maybe we thought that was
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how we were supposed to be, andyou got a lot of acceptance and
kudos for that.
Good girl, you're doing all thisstuff.
And so.
One of the things that I do and,and people who come to me, I
have to say some have physicalillnesses, some have emotional
stuff, some just wanna know moreabout themselves and their lives
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and how to connect to intuitionor their relationship or, so
it's all over the place.
It's not just people who aresick.
So but a, a really common themeseems to be, what do I do with
these really strong feelings?
What do I do when.
I'm really, really sensitive.
I have a hard time maybe tuningpeople out, or I'm afraid to
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hurt people's feelings.
I'm afraid that if I say what Ineed to say or set boundaries
that I'm gonna hurt somebodyelse or, so.
One of the things that I like toteach people is number one, and
this not my words, it's a verywise person who said this to me.
Other people's pain might be thebest gift you ever gave them
Mary (25:02):
Oh.
Katie Beecher (25:03):
because.
Sometimes we need that pain togrow and learn.
I am so grateful for the eatingdisorder because if that had not
happened, I, first of all, I'dbe dead.
Because I hated myself.
And it was having to go throughthat struggle and reach rock,
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rock bottom to be like, this isnot working.
You have to make a change.
So it took that to separate mefrom my dysfunctional family.
It took that to help me to getto know and to come to terms
with my weird abilities so Ilike to help people see the
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challenges that they're goingthrough as messengers and things
that they can learn from and to,and even the sensitivity, like
use it as a tool, but also knowthat you are in control of your
energy at all times.
So you can't actually absorbother people's energy, even
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though you think you do.
You have the control.
So it's like if I walked aroundopen all the time, my life would
be really overwhelming.
But as a therapist, as comingfrom a dysfunctional family, as
an intuitive, I've had to learnto turn it off and on so that I
can protect myself.
From the rest of the world, andthen also tune in when I need to
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too.
So we all have that ability.
Mary (26:33):
Yeah.
Ah, wow.
Wow.
So that How then okay.
I'm gonna switch gears a littlebit
Katie Beecher (26:46):
Okay.
Mary (26:46):
it snake on me When you, when people come to work with
you goop describes it as eerilyaccurate when people come to
work with you or just provideyou with their name and their
age to help them with a.
I'm gonna call it their soulmap, right?
That your four page document,but a soul map, a visual
(27:06):
representation of what'shappening so that they know they
can start identifying where tomake those wise choices to step
into the greater version ofthemselves.
I like to think certainly in thecontext of the midlife
transition.
Okay.
of all, the very first time youever did that, like how did you
figure out that this wasactually something and it
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worked?
Katie Beecher (27:30):
So, yeah.
My mom got really sick.
And I became her caretaker.
And that really rocked my worldbecause everything I had doing,
been doing before then I had tostop.
And it makes you, she almostdied.
Well, she eventually did die,but at the time she had almost
died.
And it really made you look atlike, what's important, what's
(27:50):
not is the stuff that I've beendoing every day that I thought
was important, actuallyimportant.
And it made me want to godeeper.
Mary (27:58):
Mm.
Katie Beecher (27:58):
And so I, I don't know how things appear
sometimes, right?
And I heard the term medicalintuition and I thought, I've
always been super interested inmedicine.
I came pretty close to going tomedical school.
I have the intuition background,like what is this?
So I read Mona Alicia Schultzhas pretty famous medical
(28:23):
intuitive and I took a look ather book and she happened to be
doing a three day workshop eonsago, and it was just like
introduction to it.
What is it?
What does it mean?
What are chara?
Stuff like that.
So she was like, I'm going togive you a name and age, and I
want you to just write downeverything you can about person.
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And we didn't know if it was aperson or animal or whatever.
And I, I'm like, there's no wayin hell, like, I'm gonna be so
embarrassed, I'm not gonna beable to do this.
This is insane.
I started to write things downand then I started to see the
people or the animals, like noteven knowing it was an animal.
I started to see these peopleand see characteristics and one
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of them was this older woman andI saw her like hunched over and
I knew what color hair she hadand I could see inside her body
and I knew trait like thingsabout her emotionally and, and
it just was, the more we did it,the more I knew and I'm like,
how?
How is this happening to me?
And she even said, I don't knowwhat you actually do, but you
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should probably think aboutdoing this.
And it was just really mindblowing and eyeopening, which is
why I really en encouragepeople, do things you haven't
done before.
Do things that stop you.
Find out more stuff.
And when I, like I did aworkshop up in Omega and I did
this exercise with people.
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And they thought the same thing.
They're like, no, I am not gonnabe able to do this.
And I'm like, just write it downfor yourself.
It's not a quiz.
You're not gonna, I'm not gonnaembarrass You And they were
pretty blown away by how muchthey knew about the person that
I was talking about with just aname in a H two.
So we, a lot of us have moreabilities than we think.
Right.
So it was then I said, there'ssomething to this and I just
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started practicing on friends,on friends, dead relatives.
'cause it doesn't don't have tobe alive for me to do this on
their pets.
I just kept practicing and I wasinvolved with a spiritualist
church at the time too.
For people who don't know whatspiritualist churches are it's a
place where you could go get,intuitive readings and psychic
(30:34):
readings and energy healing.
And they believe in uh, usliving after we die and, and all
the things and in spiritcommunication and pretty cool
stuff.
But I just kept learning andlearning and learning and, and
my abilities have grown and I'vejust discovered more about it.
So if you ask me how I do it, Ihonestly can't tell you.
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But people get the reports andthe paintings'cause I send them
before I meet with them.
This is, I can't BS this, youget this before I meet with you.
And then during the meeting Iget tons more information from
my guides too.
So, but they're always like,wow, you, you already know me.
This is so cool.
Like, we've already done so muchwork because I don't have to
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tell you all of this stuff.
Mary (31:18):
Oh my goodness.
Katie Beecher (31:20):
Uh, yeah, it's, it's really awesome and it
allows us to do so much, get somuch done in an hour.
So some people don't even.
Need another appointment andsome people want to work with me
more, and, but you can get somuch out of that first
appointment.
Mary (31:36):
Oh wow.
Okay.
Sign me up first
Katie Beecher (31:38):
Awesome.
Mary (31:39):
and second.
You said something that I gonnahone in on my guides.
Katie Beecher (31:46):
Okay.
Mary (31:46):
My guides.
Okay.
So I'm a big believer in guides.
But tell us a little bit aboutwhat that means.
First of all, guides and to workwith guides.
Katie Beecher (31:58):
Wonderful question.
When I first was taught how toconnect to my intuition when I
was 16.
Thank you.
Thank you, God, for bringing methis person.
I had no clue what I was doing.
It was so weird, and I'm justlike, I don't know.
Like I knew the concept ofhaving a voice in my head and I
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just called it God.
Which is great, and it just feltlike love.
And she taught me to, eventhough this feels weird and
foreign and all that stuff, tryto connect to a piece of you
that loves you unconditionally.
that's the goal.
And so I called it God and themore I did it.
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The more I realized that I wasalso talking to my intuitive
guides.
I was also talking to whatever'sin spirit.
I was also, so it felt like abunch of different entities and
people, even people like mygrandparents and things like
that.
So the name guides I think canbe hmm.
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Overwhelming and, and misleadingonly because it puts pressure on
people to define it.
So when I think about my guidesI know that there is a.
Centuries old man who wasinvolved in American Indian
traditions.
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There's a couple of women ofdifferent ages who have Latino
az techy things never seen theirfaces, so I only have an image
of what they look like, and thenmy grandparents are there, and
then I see this half table.
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And the initial guides are likethe first people on that
circular table.
And then I just see rows androws and rows and rows of
beings.
And we all have a team.
So, and we're all connected.
And even quantum physics, we'reall connected, right?
(34:06):
Collective unconscious, all ofthe things.
So I think that we draw from notonly spiritual beings, if you
will, but also ancestors andbeliefs and DNA and myths and
all the good Jungian stuff.
Mary (34:22):
For you and I to sit down and have this conversation,
well, first of all, 20 years agohaving this conversation on
podcasting was.
Unheard of in the virtual space,but just to see the topic alone
20 years ago would've been witchcrazy, hormonal whereas today,
today we have theseconversations and everyone
(34:45):
lights up.
I really feel that we are livingin such a great time, but a
precipice of massive change.
And now the world is becomingmore introduced because of
these.
channels, these platformsintroduced to people like
yourself, Katie.
this is bringing, I think, somuch hope and encouragement at a
(35:06):
time where there's climateanxiety, there's political
unrest, not to bring us downthat road, but don't think we
can exist in all the parts ofwho we are without being
consciously aware of and evenstressed out by these external
factors.
(35:26):
then you pair that with themenopausal journey, which is so
massively disruptive in itselfwith the hormone shifts So how
then do you feel thatspirituality, this awakening to
spirituality.
Is in itself like a panacea thatone cure medicine that she could
(35:46):
always turn to.
Katie Beecher (35:49):
The first thing I wanna say is I love your outlook
because I agree with it and itsaddens me when I hear from
people who tell me that I amSatan.
What I do is against the Bible.
That fear based patriarchalstuff, and it really, really
(36:12):
makes me sad.
Because it's people, mostlywomen, but even men do, who are
shutting off a whole side ofthemselves because of things
that they don't understand andthink they can't control.
So that makes me very, very sadbecause I, everything I do is
based in love and God, and it'sjust to help people's lives and
(36:35):
help empower them, which can bescary.
So there's that, but.
I, I really do feel likeembracing spirituality, which to
me means connection with love,connection with each other,
connection with your authenticself, helps you to be the most
(37:01):
you can be and be happy.
And if we're.
Listening to ourselves and haveself-love, then we can help
others feel that way too.
And every single time I workwith people, there is always a
connection between what iswrong, so physical illness,
(37:24):
emotional illness, somethinglike that, and a lack of
self-love and self-acceptance.
Then that goes along with notbeing able to express who you
fully are and pushing that down.
So when I was going through myrecovery, I heard loud and clear
with acceptance, withself-acceptance, self-love and
(37:47):
connection, and to intuition.
You can heal from just aboutanything.
And they told me that was gonnabe the centerpiece of my work
and my book.
And I, it's just keeps everyperson I work with, I'm just
like, there it is again.
Mary (38:03):
Yes, again, it goes right back to that earlier point.
It starts with the self-love.
Katie Beecher (38:08):
Mm-hmm.
Mary (38:09):
And now of course a lot of us have had incidents, Because
it's not necessarily genetics.
As we've heard before, genesload the gun, but the
environment pulls the trigger,so we are not pre-ordained or
predestined because there aregenetics to be a certain way, be
(38:29):
it a neurodivergent trait.
We are exposed to things thatbring trauma to the body and
then it is I, yeah.
Understand, and you can correctme if I'm wrong, it's our
ability to cope with that traumathat masks the true essence of
who we are and interferesplaces, obstacles in the way for
us to be authentic and to trulylove and know thyself.
(38:52):
So your work does.
Onto past traumas and childhoodtraumas and neurodivergent
traits.
Tell us a little bit how thatcomes into play then in the
healing journey.
Katie Beecher (39:05):
Yeah, very, very much.
When I look into someone's lifetime.
Time as we know it, it does notexist.
So I see someone's lifetimeright in front of me and from
childhood to whenever, wherever.
(39:26):
And the way that I know thatsomething is like current is
it's a louder voice.
It's this clearer picture,something like that.
And it's more faint.
If it's maybe happened to themin childhood or if it's related
to somebody else they care aboutor love, because I get messages
for people they care about too,because I that's how we operate.
So I don't believe that peoplehave to rehash every single
(39:52):
thing that happened to them intheir childhood.
And I work with some peoplewho've dealt with unbelievably
severe.
Abuse, like through Catholicchurch stuff or contest or cults
or things like that.
Just such sad, scary stuff.
(40:12):
And so a lot of the time,because they have developed
these coping mechanisms tosurvive the feelings get pushed
down and emotions get pusheddown and they're, they do come
out in the body and all thatother good stuff, but it's like,
how.
Is that stuff still impactingyou?
(40:34):
Are you still hearing voicesfrom people during that time?
Is the way that you were made tofeel then, like you didn't
matter, like all the things, isthat still impacting you?
I'm a really big one on lookingat now and how to move forward
rather than just dwelling on thepast, even though the, the past
(40:58):
does shape who we are, so it'smore about like moving forward
and living in the now, but alsoare you holding on to any of
that stuff?
And how is it shaping whatyou're doing?
But it's so significant andneurodivergence has become a
very interesting term.
(41:19):
it.
Means so many things.
And I definitely am, most peoplein my family are, and whether
that means autism stuff or A DHDor creativity or gifted or
there's so many meanings nowthat almost has lost its meaning
(41:40):
in some ways.
So I really don't love labels.
I really like to help people getto know who they are.
And what it means for them.
Not that some of those labelscan't be like really
educational.
Mary (41:55):
at what point then in all the work that you'd been doing
that you realized, I have towrite this down in a book.
Get this out to the masses.
Katie Beecher (42:06):
when I was going through my recovery when I was
16 I was like, okay, you'regonna write a book, you're gonna
speak, you're gonna get to helpa lot of people.
Fine.
Well, of course I put it offbecause I don't know what the
hell I'm doing.
and you go through life's crapand shit and all this stuff.
And so, uh, mid forties I findout that I had Lyme disease.
(42:29):
I'd had it since I was a kid.
I grew up next to Lyme,Connecticut, finally diagnosed,
no one ever diagnosed me, blah,blah, blah.
And one of the things I like toteach people and use.
Is, and this is what I did withmy eating disorder, is I wrote
to it as a friend
Mary (42:44):
Oh.
Katie Beecher (42:44):
and I let it write back to me.
There's all these techniques inmy book.
I wrote to it as a friend and Iwas like, all right, here you
are.
What would you like?
Why are you bugging the hell outof me?
What do you need?
How, how do you need me to helpyou?
What do you need to heal?
What's your message?
What are we doing here?
And so you see it as a teammember instead of something that
you have to fight or be afraidof, or control or have anxiety
(43:07):
about.
So I did that with a Lyme and Irefuse to say my Lyme or label
any of the symptoms with my, butI'm just like, okay, Lyme, hi,
what do you want?
What are, what are we doing?
How can I heal?
'cause I.
I'm done with all this crap andit, it wrote back to me and it
said, it's time to write yourbook proposal.
Finally, if you wanna heal, youneed to do that.
(43:29):
And I'm like, shit.
So it was time.
I muddled my way through lots ofproposals, got help and found an
agent.
Was very fortunate.
Went through about 80 millioniterations of proposals and
(43:50):
found St.
Martin's Press who really likedthe concept and helped me finish
the book.
Mary (43:57):
Okay.
Katie Beecher (43:58):
and so that's what happened.
So I, if you wanna write a bookor wanna do anything, like if
you think you are not capable ofit, you'd be surprised what you
are capable of.
So.
Mary (44:08):
So true.
did you call upon the guides orwere
Katie Beecher (44:11):
Oh heck yeah.
Oh yeah.
It was like, okay, I really havea DD and I need a little help
with that just while I'mwriting.
Because I can't focus'causethere's too much in my head.
There's 35 year, there's at thatpoint 50 something years of
experience.
Too much was coming at me all atonce.
Didn't even know how to focus atall or whatever.
Mary (44:31):
Yeah.
Katie Beecher (44:31):
But I was like, I need help.
Please help me write this.
And it's like when I used topaint and stuff, the more you
let it work through, you let itmeaning your guides and your
creativity and stuff the betterthe product is and the less you
stress about it.
And it's funny because I don'tremember everything that's in my
(44:51):
book.
Like I, because
Mary (44:53):
Yeah.
Katie Beecher (44:54):
So much.
I didn't really write, like Ijust let it come through me.
It's like when I do readings,people will, I will remember if
I meet with them again becausemy guys make me remember, but I
don't consciously remember.
Mary (45:06):
I feel the need to share this, so I have a deck of my
Oracle cards.
again, it, for me, it's not woowoo, it's just something fun.
And there they were, next to myyoga mat this morning and I
looked at them.
I went today's a good day tocall upon heart again.
'cause I love to do that.
And these are the archangel,fire Oracle cards, Alexandra
Wenman.
(45:26):
So I did my little thing,shuffle the deck, tapped three
times and pulled one out.
And it was the Archangel Aerialwho is the archangel of nature
and animals.
And of course, cultivating love,self-love, which is very ironic
that I pulled her.
And then of course, the othernight I had a dream about my
(45:48):
beloved ishka, my husky, that weunfortunately had to say goodbye
to for cancer last, March.
really impressed though thatanimals come through and you
said I don't know whether it's aperson's name or an animal's
name.
Is there something differentabout when an animal is coming
through to you or you're feelingthe presence?
And I like to understand that alittle bit more.
Katie Beecher (46:10):
I love animal reading so much.
Mary (46:13):
Oh, good.
Katie Beecher (46:13):
sometimes they even come through in the
paintings.
I will draw person's animal nextto the spirit, symbolic image of
them they go through, comethrough that way too.
The really fun thing aboutanimals is.
First of all, they are here forus.
We think we're here to take careof them.
It's the opposite.
They are here to take care ofus.
so they take on so many of ourtraits and our physical symptoms
(46:39):
and our pain because they wantto shield us.
And when I do animal readings,it's very funny because some
people will.
Do anything for their animals.
So they'll get an animalreading, but they're not really
ready to look at themselves.
Or there's some fear or healthanxiety about learning more
(46:59):
about themselves.
But animals are sneaky and sothey tell me things not only
about themselves, but they tellme lots of things about their
humans.
And it's a very fun way to getthe human to talk about their
things and what they need tochange and what they need to
(47:22):
work on, because they don't wanttheir animals to be hurt or
harmed or impacted.
So if a person is dealing withanxiety, that's a really blanket
one, but the animal picks up onthat and then the animal gets
sick.
Or something and the human'slike, oh my God, I didn't know I
(47:45):
was doing that to them.
I don't wanna make them sick.
What can I do to work on me tohelp them?
And it's, it's a very coolthing.
But it's, they animals feel justlike humans.
When I work with them horses, Iknow nothing about horses except
(48:07):
when I do readings, and they'reincredibly fascinating because
they're so human.
They're almost super human, andthey feel very much like I'm
talking to humans and I really.
I have no proof of this, but Ithink that we are reincarnated
(48:27):
as each other, so humans andanimals reincarnate as each
other.
That's just my feeling.
But yeah, they talk to me justlike I'm talking to any other
human spirit thing, Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mary (48:41):
had disclosed too that my beloved ishka, she passed of
cancer too.
Now it makes me think back andit was rapid.
It started out as a small golfball and eng gof into a grape
size,
Katie Beecher (48:52):
Aw,
Mary (48:53):
on her leg is that makes me think back.
And I heard that one once beforeand I thought she took on so
much.
There must have been something.
Within me or maybe my lineage.
I don't know.
Katie Beecher (49:06):
not as a blaming thing.
Don't take that on as a blamething, right?
Because we also, it's like whenkids get sick or, which is just
horrible to think about, but anentire family is impacted by
that child or by that pet
Mary (49:24):
right.
Katie Beecher (49:25):
so sometimes it's about what are the lessons that
an entire family learns or
Mary (49:31):
Okay.
Katie Beecher (49:32):
how maybe because your animal is sick.
You slow down, you stop whatyou're doing, you put your
priorities in order, and youmake more time to spend with
that animal.
And the crap that you thoughtwas important maybe isn't.
And maybe you're like, I don'tneed to say yes to that party or
(49:55):
to that obligation because I'mgonna spend time with my animal.
So there's so many lessons.
Mary (50:01):
Stomach lessons.
Ugh.
Gosh.
Okay.
said something pretty profoundearlier on and it really
deserves the attention.
'cause I just love it and thatwas, you'll pry hormones from my
cold dead hands.
Tell us all about that.
Katie Beecher (50:19):
So for me, we are all individuals.
My hormones have been wonky fora very long time.
I have ERUs Syndrome, which is aconnective tissue disorder, and
one of the side effects of that,it's, that's a whole shown in of
itself, but one of these sideeffects is that you, it, your
hormones can get wonky and allsorts of things, PSOs and stuff.
(50:41):
So, had postpartum depression,but it was a year and a half
later, I got put on psych meds.
Thank God.
My gynecologist was like, no,there's something wrong with
your hormones.
I was 29, got put on estrogenfine unopposed, estrogen, which
a lot of doctors would be like,oh my God, you're, yeah.
Did that kill you?
No, I'm still here.
(51:03):
That changed my life and becauseof that it helped a lot of
different things and so.
That made me a believer inhelping myself with hormones and
with also helping women of allages be like, just'cause you're
20 doesn't mean that yourhormones are normal.
(51:23):
And so you know, all this kindof stuff.
And so I am on an estrogenpatch.
And bioidentical estrogen creamand then bioidentical
testosterone from a compoundingpharmacy and all that.
And DHEA.
And for me, it has changed mylife in so, so, so many ways.
(51:43):
So, physically, emotionally,spiritually strength sex drive.
Yay.
Helped with the weight thatweirdly came on my body when I
turned 50 that wasn't therebefore.
Just self-confidence, it helpswith some of that intense
sensitivity.
So it helped dull down some ofthat sensitivity that was
(52:06):
overwhelming, that would get inthe way of me being able to make
decisions and things like that.
So it's just helped so manythings and thankfully more and
more doctors are treating withsymptoms.
Based on symptoms rather thanjust blood tests.
They are treating it as aquality of life issue rather
(52:29):
than just getting you throughsymptoms because we deserve to
feel as good as we possibly canfor as long as we possibly can.
They give men testosterone andCialis and all this stuff when
there's like a hundred.
So, why are we so I reallyencourage women to explore those
(52:53):
possibilities.
Not everybody can do it, buteven if you're 60 and one doctor
says, oh, you're past menopause,maybe there's stuff you could do
and maybe other doctors wouldn'ttake that perspective.
So for me, it's been a greatthing.
Mary (53:12):
I'm glad you shared that, Katie, because yet again, it's
another tool in the toolbox ofour, of the whole person that we
are, to have that quality oflife and perform optimally just
the way we are meant to beindependence, aging in place and
that when we look at itholistically, is responsibility
of everybody because it can be aburden on our healthcare system.
(53:33):
When we, when we don't honor aperson's right to have quality
of life and to age in place.
Katie Beecher (53:39):
And also the people around us.
We're not nice if our hormonesare like it affects everybody.
Mary (53:44):
And that energy transmutes from ourselves to others that
whole entire ripple effect.
Which you alluded to earlier.
I, I can't wait to dive intoyour book.
Please tell the listeners wherethey can find it and where they
can find you and perhaps you'llget a plethora of emails of My
name's and I'm 33.
(54:05):
I'm Sam, and I'm 64.
Katie Beecher (54:07):
I love it.
So my book is called Heal FromWithin A Guide to Intuitive
Wellness.
And you can get like everyAmazon, every, it's available
everywhere wherever books aresold.
I recommend the book rather thanthe audio, although a lot of
people get both.
'cause there's a ton of visualaids and tools and there's some
(54:27):
examples of some of my paintingsin there.
And it's designed to go througha workbook and take your time
with it.
Mark it up and all those kind ofthings.
my website is katie beecher.comthat's where you can go and make
your appointment for thereadings.
There's a couple of differentoptions and we report and
painting or without, orwhatever, but there's, there's
(54:48):
different options.
And I work with people all overthe world by Zoom,
Mary (54:51):
this has been such a delight.
I am so glad that you found me.
And that I just knew that, well,she's definitely someone I need
to talk to, so, and we, here weare
Katie Beecher (55:02):
I love it.
Thank you so much for having me.
Mary (55:04):
baby.
Thank you so much for yourprecious time and your energy to
share with us here today.
Mary Lee (55:10):
Wow, that was an incredible, powerful, deeply
nourishing conversation.
And Katie reminds us thathealing isn't linear.
It isn't even one dimensional.
It's an integration of thephysical, emotional, and
spiritual parts of ourselves andher journey, as a licensed
counselor and a medicalintuitive shows just how
transformative it can be when welearn to trust our inner
(55:32):
guidance.
So here are a few key takeawaysI got from today's conversation.
Number one, menopause is not adecline, it's an awakening.
Katie invited us to see thistransition as a portal into
self-discovery, a time toreassess who we are, what we
need, and what we're no longerwilling to carry.
(55:53):
Number two.
Intuition and self-acceptanceare essential tools, and she
encourages us to listen inward,honor our desires, and let go of
the old beliefs that keep usplaying small.
Midlife becomes lighter when westop abandoning ourselves.
Number three, sensitivity isstrength.
Amen to that.
Rather than seeing sensitivityas a flaw like I did growing up,
(56:16):
and probably many of us too.
Katie reframed it as a powerful.
Instrument for deeper awarenessand connection, so long as we
protect that energy and keephealthy boundaries.
And number four, healingrequires courage and honesty.
And from Katie's own experienceswith trauma caregiving and
hormonal imbalance, she makes itclear we need to address these
(56:40):
past wounds, love ourselvesfiercely, and ask for support.
These are all non-negotiables inour healing journey.
And lastly, it wouldn't be aMenopause Disruptor podcast
episode if we didn't talk aboutat least one of the
interventions.
And this one, hormonal therapyhormone therapy is deeply
personal and it's deeplyimpactful.
(57:03):
And Katie opened up about herown hormonal struggles and the
life changing benefits of.
Menopause hormone therapyhighlighting the need for more
system centered care, morenuance, and far more validation
for women seeking answers.
So if any of this in today'sconversation resonated with you,
I hope it serves as a remindertoo, that you are not meant to
(57:26):
simply survive midlife.
You are meant to evolve throughit and to thrive.
You're allowed to be curious,intuitive, sensitive, bold, and
absolutely beautiful.
so grateful to Katie for showingus what it looks like to live
with radical self-trust and forgiving women permission to
embrace their whole selves, andthank you for listening taking
(57:47):
time out of your busy day tolisten to this episode.
until next time, stay curious,stay compassionate, and keep
disrupting the menopausenarrative.
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