July 23, 2024 • 48 mins
"We use our imagination to stress us out, or make us sad more often than we do to make us actually in-the-now-moment genuinely happy." - Bella Lively
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Hello there, I'm Marilyn, and this is the next
episode in the Time Wow series.
Today's guest is Bella Lively.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
So we use our imagination to stress us out or
make us sad more often than wedo to make us actually in the
now moment genuinely happy.
SPEAKER_01 (00:17):
Bella is the host of the Lively Show podcast, which
has had, get this, over 17million downloads.
This chat goes quite literallyeverywhere from listening to the
inner voice, relationship, pastlives, imagination, and
occasionally we remember to talkabout time.
So happy you're here, fella.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Oh, I feel like I go way back with you.
Uh I went to one of youroriginal C schools.
Like in Woolamaloo.
Remember that?
2018.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
That would be, yeah.
I lived in that building at thetime, actually.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
So that was incredible.
And you are you're you're kindof like a veteran of the whole
podcasting space.
You must have seen a lot ofchanges over your time, but
you've seen a lot of changes inyourself as well.
I mean, there's so manyiterations of you and this like
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this growth.
This has been incredible.
But as time's passed, how haveyou seen that change?
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
Oh, about myself or podcasting?
Oh, both, really.
Oh well, podcasting.
This is the first, I think thismay be the first video
podcasting interview I've everdone ever.
So I've done 450 episodes andnever been on video before.
I'm always just sitting lookingslumpy on my bed as I record my
own.
So, or with any of the gueststhat I've ever worked with.
So this is different as far aspodcasting goes.
(01:44):
Um, that said, I'm sure it'staken its own direction, but in
the last 10 years, I've stayedremarkably consistent with my
own um style of podcasting.
The topics, however, as you'rementioning, evolved with my own
consciousness.
And that is probably longer thanthe episode itself should be.
So I'll just say, yeah, Istarted in one level of
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consciousness and then traveledthrough many more throughout the
show.
And people like to refer back towhat year of me and even the
name of me that they're at intheir own journey.
So people like to say, Oh yeah,I'm like at season six, you
know, the Abraham version ofJess back then.
And now they'll be like, Oh, orno, I'm actually I'm now in the
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place where she's Bella and I'mat season 11.
So um there's when they say thatthey're speaking to not just
what they're listening to as faras the show goes, but where
they're resonating in their ownconsciousness.
So they kind of can sometimesrefer to their own consciousness
evolution in relation to theseasons of my own on the show.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
So there's a beautiful timeline there that
people can hook into almost towhere they're I think it's the
most documented part ofconsciousness.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Imagine like 10 years of somebody opening and
evolving, but then sharingweekly to bi-weekly.
There were definitely breaks andlonger periods of isolation as I
went deeper inside myself andwasn't sharing on the show.
But for 10 years, I have been,you can hear it in my voice, you
hear it in the life story.
And um, just by the nature ofsocial media being different
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than it was thousands of yearsago, you know, we don't get
Buddha or Jesus or you know, wedon't get to have those
spiritual people's um evolutionrecorded and actually captured
so you can go back and listen.
The only one I've ever heard ofthat really kind of does the
same, even Eckhart comes off,you know, we only know Eckhart
after his transformation, notthe journey to and through, or
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even Michael Singer.
You don't know him from before,you know him after.
Ram Doss is the only one I'veever heard have um his voice you
can hear shift over decades ofhis own journey that's been
recorded, and you can reallytell the difference in his point
of view as he's been captured.
But he's the only person, but itbut it's not still in a daily
impersonal kind of diary way,like my show has been.
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So it's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
I didn't do it on purpose, but here we are.
But it's there and it'scaptured.
And I yeah, I hadn't thought ofit like that, but it's it's
actually brilliant because mostpeople will write a book or
they'll publish something fromthe perspective of I've been
through there, that's the letlesson.
This is the sharing.
(04:17):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
Imagine Ypre love doing a vlog, only she was
vlogging her journey in Italyand Indonesia.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
Whereas we've had this window into your uh growth
and evolution over time, whichis really relatable, but also
just fascinating uh as you yeah,as it's it yeah, it's like
having this little peak ofwindow into your into your life.
How I mean you now you're youyou're in a different place,
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your energy is different.
You're there's a there's a pieceabout you that I don't think
I've seen before.
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
That's funny.
Kayleen is on the show on myepisode today, airing, and she
said she said this to me before,and so she brought it up in the
show.
She's like, You're nicer now,you're kinder than Jess was more
strict teacher, and Bella ismore um soft.
And I guon mentioned it as wellin a different episode that's
coming soon.
I don't do anything obviously onpurpose, so there's no conscious
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projection out of me.
What you're noticing is not onpurpose or deciding to be
different than anything before,but I that basically I'm just
seeing it shared by otherpeople.
I'm not even necessarily inside,but you know, I had a theory.
I wonder if the beauty of myBella Vita that I spend so much
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time in is such a beautifulvibration that I practice it so
much that I wonder if the blendof that vibration is coming
through me more in this reality,unconsciously and
unintentionally.
Um, I that's the only thoughtthat I have mentally to that,
other than I just think I have,with all the journey, so much
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even more compassion for peopleand how difficult this journey
can be.
And that's through all of themany years of going through it
myself.
Um, obviously it was harder whenI was younger, but at the same
time, the the length and thecontinuation of it is what's
really going, oh my God, thislife, though it doesn't have to
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be hard and doesn't have to befull of suffering in any way.
I just have so much compassionfor the human's journey going
through it all and that it justkeeps going and that that's not
easy to do.
And I think I have a lot ofcompassion for that, which might
also be a factor.
So Bellavita plus maybe thecontinual wearing down of my own
life into humility of like thisis not always easy.
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And it's long.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
No, no, no, no, and I think over time that's proven
there's a softness and a beautyabout you that is just yeah,
just because I haven't had thisclose contact with you in until
since what 2018.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
So yeah, oh, definitely then I wanted to die.
I was in a completelyinteresting place in my journey.
I mean, there's been like 16other places in the journey
since then as well, but that oneparticularly was one of the
darkest, um, darkest being likethe most contrasting between my
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mind and my inner voice, umplaces in the journey.
And it's one of the mostpivotal, and it's one of the
classic ones that most peoplewill go through at some point in
some lifetime or another.
Um, so it was fascinating to doC school at that time when I was
going through so much.
I actually think now, how thehell did I go through the
journey I went through insidemyself and still like not run a
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community that's opposite ofwhat it was, but how did I show
up for the community and do alike a conference like that and
still be able to go through?
Cause I think people don't evenreally have a fraction of what
it really has been like insideof my life experience to live.
Um, nor should they, you know,I'm not asking for pity or
anything, but I just think it'sreally I I don't need to come
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out as like a victim ofanything.
It's certainly not that.
But I think that I think backlike, how did I do, how did I do
that and still do C school?
Or how did I do that and stillrun a company?
How did I do that and stillteach and help other people?
It's kind of shocking when Ilook back on with compassion my
younger self and what I wasfacing from the point of view of
what I saw and understood at thetime.
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Bella Vita, I I'd love to actually use this space
too to share some of these, Idon't even know what to call
them, concepts or things,Bellerisms.
Like like Bella Vita, tell ussomeone who's never met you
before, what is Bella Vita?
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
So Bella Vita is your own, well, is my name for
my own personal dimension usingmy own imagination.
So what I realized, so in the Cschool experience, right before
that, I was in Willamaloo onthat staircase in that apartment
that I lived there in.
And at that point, I had beenbefore going up the staircase
one day in Sydney, I was like, Iwant to have 30 more lifetimes.
(09:08):
If there's lifetimes, I want tohave 30 more of them, 30 more
businesses, 30 more families, 30more houses to design and build.
And then I went up the staircaseone day, completely
unintentionally and unmentallydecided.
I just hit this wall of I can'tdo this anymore.
I don't want to be here anymore.
I don't want another lifetime.
I don't even know if I want tostay in this lifetime.
I actually felt this longing togo be with my friends, which
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were the non-physical channelsthat I'd been learning so much
from.
And I'd been isolated for solong and so many years.
I think it'd been two and a halfyears by that point, um, living
around the world nomadicallybecause of my intuition, kind of
dragging me around andbeautifully, but dragging me to
place I always wanted a familyand house and to be living like
a normal life.
I did not ever want anythinglike what I experienced, but it
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was beautiful but difficultbecause it wasn't what I
actually wanted from the mind.
And then I hit this staircasemoment where I said, I don't, I
don't want to stay here anymorewith the humans that see the way
the world the way they see it.
I want to go be with thechannels that see the world and
other non-physical dimensionsand spaces the way they see.
I want to go be with my friends.
(10:14):
And the equivalent I would sayis that it's like I was in high
school for a long time and I wasready to graduate.
And I wanted to go be with thecollege friends that I'd been
hanging out with.
And so it wasn't a, oh, woe isme, life is too hard.
This is, you know, this is not asuicide attempt from the normal
perspective you might hearabout.
This is actually a graduationperspective of, oh, I'm just
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done with high school.
I don't want to be here anymore.
I want to go where the growthand the friends are that I'm
expanding with.
And that I remember going up thestaircase hitting me.
I didn't have that.
So before I was happy in highschool and wanted to have 30
more years of high school or 30more lifetimes of high school.
Then I was like, no, no morehigh school.
I need to go to college,whatever that is, I want to go
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there.
And I didn't, I laid on my bed,I was like, show me, take me to
take me away.
Like, not to die, but just Ilaid there going, I want to have
access to the non-physicals.
I do not want to stay heretrapped with just humans and
channels that, you know, talk tothe other entities.
And ironically, what Iexperienced in that moment was
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other entities.
I just didn't know what toperceive them as.
So they were there.
I just retrospectively yearslater, I could go, I was
actually definitely not alone inthat moment.
But in the moment I didn't knowhow to identify what was present
because it was so not linear andmental.
It didn't look like a body.
I didn't see or feel anyphysical five senses, nothing,
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no touch, no sight, no smell.
But I perceived them, but Ididn't know what I was
perceiving.
I just said, oh, there's somecolors and blah, blah, blah.
But but that was my mind'sinterpretation of these beings.
So it took a few years later anda few other experiences on the
other side to go, that's whatthat is.
Okay.
But that didn't land for me atthe time.
So ironically, looking back, Iwasn't alone, but I felt like
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nothing actually happened.
And then I just had to livegoing, I'm not actually gonna
off myself physically in adramatic way.
But your point about Bella Vidawas that I then realized, like,
I don't want to live anymore.
And like, what's left to livefor?
And it was enlightenment andrealization.
So then I got obsessed with thatfor years and wanted that more
than anything else on the earthbecause I basically kind of felt
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like I achieved everything elseon earth besides the family and
the partner that I'd wanted.
I'd we had everything else to asense of satisfaction.
I didn't need 10 milliondollars.
I'm, you know, a few million,that's I like I didn't need what
a hundred million downloads, 17million downloads sounded good.
Like I didn't need more of anyof the world's things because
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what I realized ultimately isthat anything you have in this
dimension is like pixels on yourcomputer screen rearranging
themselves, but it's all thesame pixels.
So you can see a pixel on yourcomputer you screen, you can see
a picture of us right now, oryou can put a picture of an
elephant and then you have anelephant or a mansion in a
mansion, a beautiful beach, andthen you're in Indonesia, but
it's still the same physicalsenses.
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You're still trapped in fivesenses and they're just
different temperatures,different colors, different
places, but they're all time,they're all space, they're all
spectrums of five sensoryperception.
And so you're just mixing up andmaking it's all different sand
castles with the same sand.
I eventually realized.
And so that boringness, likeeventually you get done playing
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with the sandbox.
And so I didn't even know whatthe other was beyond the
sandbox, but I was like, I justdon't want to stay here anymore.
Um, and I went on a journey thatlanded, so I think that was at
33, is when I hit that point onthe staircase.
When you met me, that was theage I was.
At 36, I was in Hawaii 2020, 35,36.
And I ended up having theexperience that is a hallmark of
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it's not that it's a permanentenlightenment that then um lands
me like an eckhartoly with noego or mind or emotions.
That's not what happened, butthe understanding that my
awareness so deeply desired tounderstand the nature of itself
occurred.
And my mind uh interestingly hadto inter pull that together.
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What does that interpret,interpret that?
It eventually interpreted whathappened to my awareness.
And then I realized I was justawareness in that point.
So basically, my awarenessrealized, oh, I'm just
awareness.
And that's the typical classichallmark milestone of
enlightenment.
There's many continualevolutions of consciousness.
It's certainly not the end, it'sjust a one of the things that
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happens, but it's a huge, Imean, very classic thing to know
is I am awareness.
I'm not a body, I'm not a mind,I'm not a character, I'm not a
soul, I'm awareness being asoul, being a character in a
mind with a personality andidentity, but I'm none of those
other things.
So once I realized that, then Iwas just okay, I knew that.
That was kind of satisfying tohit that moment.
But years and years later, thisstarted um after Portugal
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happened.
I came to London 2022 and Irealized, okay, so I'm just
awareness.
What am I gonna do with it?
And not that I thought, what amI gonna do with it as a thought,
but I just started to realizeI'm just awareness and I'm
placing my awareness in dreamsand I'm placing my awareness in
the um this life, or my soul isplacing my the awareness of
itself in other lives.
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So why not place my awarenessinto something that I want?
Why not place my awareness intosomething that is just for joy?
Why not place my awarenessinstead of in earth and being
feeling trapped here or feelinglike, okay, I'm trying to
perceive other entities, whichon the other side is
interesting, but not evennecessary, but I mean it was
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interesting.
But why not create my own, usethis consciousness and its
imagination for my own desires?
And that's when Bella Vita wasactually a very long question or
answer to question about BellaVita.
But then I realized why notstart using this awareness in a
fun way?
And why not using it to createwhatever I want?
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Why would I limit myself nowthat I know that's all I
actually am from using what Iactually am and all the fun ways
that I actually could?
Usually your imagination isgetting used by your mind to
worry about the future, which isfake because it's worrying about
stuff that often never happens.
So it's a fake future that it'sstressing you about or it
stresses or laments the past.
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And it's a fake past becauseit's not that the fast was fake,
it's that your going back to itisn't in the now moment what
really happened then.
You're just revisiting it theway you want to visit it,
whether you're doing it kindly,like, oh, I remember when my mom
made me cookies and now she'sdied and she's not here anymore,
but you're remembering thefeeling.
That's not the cookie moment,that's the feeling of memory,
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remembering it.
But often we do that fromsadness or from regret or
something, or that we're sadthat it's not here anymore.
So even if it's positive, we'rekind of sad that it's not now.
So we use our imagination tostress us out or make us sad
more often than we do to make usactually in the now moment
genuinely happy.
And so I started doing that andI realized through doing it for
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the pure joy of it, that it isincredibly effective for joy and
feelings that you can't umnecessarily access through
manifestations on earth yet.
But as you do do it for joy andyou maintain it, things start to
match your Bellavita here.
But when I say that, the problemwith it is minds that are
immature will not to saynegatively, but that what
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they'll do, and I understand mymind would have done the same
thing in many of the years of myown journey too.
So I say this from my ownunderstanding of my own mind at
certain places, they will say,okay, so I should go to
Bellavita to feel good so I getwhat I want here.
And when the mini say so that Iget what I want here, you're not
doing Bellavita the the way thatit's actually sustainable.
It's only sustainable when thejoy is in the journey, not the
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destination.
So if you read a book like areally big book, like Alexander
Dumas, Three Musketeers, reallythick.
If you're only doing it tofinish the book, you're not
enjoying the entire book andyou're not going to keep reading
such a long book.
And if you don't read the wholebook, you're not going to get to
the end.
So you have to actually enjoyreading the book for the ending.
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You can't just get the stuff ifyou're not actually enjoying the
process of not having the stuff,but get it.
Well, you have the stuff, it'sjust in Belavida.
And I'm not even hyper specificat all in Belavida about
anything I actually want onEarth.
What the joy of Belavida is, isthat there's no limitations and
it's instant manifestation.
So when you're there, you don'thave to have anything to do with
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Earth or any kind ofmanifestations here.
You can just create everythingthat you couldn't even have
here, practically speaking, um,like floating, flying, being
nothing, being a totallydifferent avatar type, being a
man if you're a woman, or beinglike, but like being a smurf, if
you want to be a smurf, like youcan literally do anything you
want there.
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And you just do it for the joyof it.
But what happens is thefrequency practice will bring
things like the frequency toyour earth self.
But if you're doing it for thediscovery of earth, you're gonna
have a hard time maintaining itenough to get the result.
What's the difference betweenbelly vatering and daydreaming?
Oh, nothing, really.
There's literally nothing.
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Like what it is is daydreaming.
You're a lucid dreamer, you'redoing it while you're awake.
And what do you do?
What is a dream?
It's just your imagination usingitself to regurgitate, usually
earthly stressful situations,not very fun, versus consciously
choosing to use yourimagination.
I would say nothing, verylittle.
Whereas growing up, we would,you know, it was like taught not
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to do it.
Taught to daydream.
Because people stuck in theirwhat I okay.
You want to know why thathappens?
All right.
So the development, this is goesback to C school stuff.
So this is the development uhstages of the mind.
So when you're born, you'resleeping a lot.
Most of the time, infants areasleep.
So they're in delta brain stagefrom zero to two, I think, or
zero to one.
Then they get to theta, two tofour.
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They they're in theta, which isthe brain state you're probably
going into when you're inBelavita.
And that state is imagination.
And you literally think aslittle kids that the fort is a
real fort and that the box is areal castle.
They don't know the differencethat all the things that they
believe fantastically, orthey're their imaginary friends,
they're in a state ofreceptivity to imagination.
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So they are at the brain stateand they only can function at
that state.
Then you get up to alpha as youget a little older, seven to
nine, I think.
And then once you're up to eightto nine, you're getting into
beta.
Beta is logic and reasoningmode.
That's what adults end upspending based on the mental
projected mass consciousness.
That's where they spend themajority of their time.
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Yes, they'll go through thealpha theta to down to delta to
sleep at night.
But then the minute they wakeup, they very quickly go from
theta, alpha up to beta.
Or they so then they live up inbeta, thinking and logic and
reasoning, or high beta, whichis anxiety and stress.
So the the mass consciousnessmuggle world has been living in
beta and out high beta um allthe time.
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And so they're basicallythinking almost.
Yes, and then thinking this iswhere this is the real world.
The imagination is a fun thingyou have when you're a kid, but
it's not real.
And so they stop doing it.
But really, when you meditate,you're going down to alpha.
And when you're in really deepmeditation, you're going down to
theta.
And so once you're in theta,you're in your imagination.
So the brain state, obviously,I'm not measuring my brain, the
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waves, or anything to worryabout whether I'm in that state.
But when you're using yourimagination, you're able to
actually realize.
So it is always it's always beenthere.
And the little kids, which are,think about it, still more
connected to the non-physicalworld because of their slower
brain state, so not as hyperlocked into physical, are
actually more in directconnection.
So they're nice, their nature toimagine and have imaginary
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friends.
Maybe they're not imaginary,maybe they are non physical
friends or beings that they'reactually perceiving.
Or even if they're making it up,and it is like an imaginary
friend that they're consciously.
Consciousness has made up.
Who's to say that's not a?
I mean, you're making up a bunchof meanings about everything in
your life all the time.
Your perceptual reality is basedon what you ascribe meaning to
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things.
So they're just creating alittle being.
But who says that their creationof their little buddy isn't a
real creation?
If it really is just adefinition of real, the mind
will, because the mind's trappedin earth, the mind is a box is
like trapped in the box ofearth.
So it denies anything outside ofthe box of earth because it
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doesn't have direct access toanything outside of the box of
earth.
It can only do the five sensorythings sight, smell, taste,
touch, and hearing.
So that is what it describes asreal.
But your consciousness is onlyis pure consciousness in all
that is, then also focusingitself into a human form.
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So let me see if I can breakthis down.
So your consciousness is farbigger than your body, yet it
does keep your body alive.
My dad is about to probably diein the next few days or weeks.
It's he's right on the edge.
So the majority of hisconsciousness is already on the
non-physical.
There's very, very littleconsciousness left in his
physical form.
We consider that dying, butreally his consciousness isn't
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like dying.
His consciousness is going backto the non-physical, just like a
baby being born is predominantlystill in the non-physical.
We don't look at the baby aslike a horrible thing.
Oh my God, they're sleeping allthe time.
What's wrong with them?
Why don't they want to be here?
They're just in thenon-physical, slowly entering.
But my dad, right now, is slowlyexiting.
And so his consciousness isn'twrong or diminished.
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It's just less present on earth.
So there's less energy keepinghis five sensory mind part and
body alive.
But his consciousness isn'tthat's the thing my awareness
realized.
I'm just awareness, and myawareness is just placing itself
wherever it's placing itself innon-physical or physical realms.
So that this is really deep.
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Your mind only can have access.
So you're because basically,okay.
So your consciousness isbasically all it is and is
imagining anything innon-physical or physical realms.
In the physical realms, though,it imagines it's an animal with
five sensory, you know, thishuman body is ultimately an
animal.
It has more abilities than mostanimals we look around to us.
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We say, no, we're so much betterthan else.
We eat, we poop, we have sex,and we die.
Like we are the same.
Um, physical forms, not thatdissimilar.
It's our minds that like to getall grandiose about how much
better we are and superior, butit's really the consciousness
that is coming through the mindthat is grandiose and superior
and more um multifaceted thanthe consciousness that's going
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through the consciousnessabilities going through the
animals.
So it's still pure consciousnessthrough an animal as much as a
human.
There's no actualdifferentiation, but the the
depth and complexity of theconsciousness coming through a
human form is often differentthan a snail.
Um, but they're both the thingsthat are keep the thing that's
keeping the snail and you aliveis essentially the same, which
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is pure consciousness, all thatis.
And so that is not trapped onearth.
It's just sometimes coming intoearth forms.
And so your earth form wants tosay that nothing else that its
consciousness is going into,it's not even aware that its
consciousness is going anywhereelse, doesn't exist or isn't
important or isn't real, butthat's not true.
It just means that the mindcan't attach, make a friend, or
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do anything with it because it'snot five sensory physical.
So the mind basically only getsto play in one tab of the
browser of your browser.
And so it thinks any other tabof your browser is impossible to
be true or real because it'sonly got and it's trapped into
that one.
That side, your consciousnessthat's making that browser tab
possible, has a million othertabs and is playing a million
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other games.
It's just that the consciousnessthrough which that form in that
tab feels that it denies theexistence of anything else.
SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
The hassles of time just kind of blow away in a
conversation like this.
But then you probably got we'veprobably got people listening or
watching this going, yeah, buthow what do I do with my time's
fascination, my mind'sfascination with time?
And when is this gonna happen?
And when is that gonna happen?
And I can see myself gettingolder.
(26:19):
And you know, what what whatadvice would you give to their
minds?
SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
There's well, the thing is that you're I have a
lot of Sophia session.
Um, we do a group inner voicingwhere the group will suggest a
topic and then I'll askquestions to their inner voices
and they share their answers inthe chat.
It's really fun to see kind ofthe answers they get and just go
on a topic.
Time does come up from time totime.
So definitely have recently beendiving into that subject for the
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benefit of the people doingSophia sessions.
And essentially, your innervoice is not bothered at all
about time because it's all inthe now and it's not worried.
Now, your consciousness, notjust worried about this physical
form.
Your mind is worried primarilyabout the body that it is
existing in right now andkeeping it alive.
Which moves through space andtime and time, which moves
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through space and time.
And so that's a part of you.
And it's it actually, there's noactual worry, as Jesus pointed
out, about the look at thebirds, they're not stressing
about the food they're gonna eattomorrow.
So the mind actually, as and ofitself, isn't even worried about
time, it's just sitting theretrying to make itself survive
and eat food with the now momentthat it needs.
It's your ego, as Eckhart wouldsay.
This this aspect of your mindthat's able to create stories of
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what should be happening andisn't happening right now.
That's really the problem.
It's not actually your classicmind that keeps your human form
alive.
That's not worrying about like,am I gonna get to the write that
book one day or am I gonna findthe love of my life?
Those questions are different,uh, coming from a higher blend,
actually, probably, of yourconsciousness plus your mind,
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adding this extra layer.
And unfortunately, that layer isstressful.
It's actually less stressful tobe your consciousness, if you're
non-fit, non-linearly focused,or your primal brain.
But the middle layer that's likekind of trapped between both is
getting the worst of both worldsbecause it's usually just
worrying about stuff like time.
So that part to understand yourinner voice, you can ask your
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inner voice questions on this.
Like I've done, I'll save youthe time for doing it.
Generally, your inner voice islike there's always enough time
for everything that's reallyneeded.
What your mind thinks is reallyneeded is not what your inner
voice thinks is really needed.
So your mind might think that inorder to feel a fulfilling life,
it needs to do a milliondifferent things that your inner
voice doesn't actually think arethat important for this specific
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lifetime.
Why?
Because your mind is oftenidentifying as I want to get as
much life experience in thisspecific life than all of the
infinite amount of time thatyour soul actually has to come
back and forth into this realitythrough new and different
bodies.
So, for example, my dad, like Imentioned, is on his way out.
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And as I'm excited for him, I'mnot gonna have to go through the
emotions that my human body,well, like I'm excited for him
because this worth the way he'sliving is not worth living.
So I'm excited for him torelease the pain and physical
suffering that he's currentlyin.
And I keep telling him, leave,leave.
His inner voice has told me hewants to, it's interesting to be
in the place of zero controlwhen he all had ultimate control
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all of his life.
So it's just the flip of apendulum to my his inner voice.
But I'm just like, oh, get out,that go, go, go.
And so if you are looking attime for him, he is a technology
head from the start to finish.
He had Atari, he used to programcomputers, he used to have PC
world, he was into technologyfrom the minute he could find a
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video game to everything.
And now he's missing.
You could say, God, if he juststayed around longer, he'd get
to see AI and all the realadvancements that are coming
into Earth now.
So you'd say, God, he doesn'thave enough time to enjoy that.
Or crypto's coming in.
That's interesting.
Like these subjects, even in hismore well-being state, like last
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year, weren't in his mentalawareness to keep up with.
They were outpass, surpassingwhere his consciousness was
going.
And I'm thinking, but his actualconsciousness, or at least in
this personality, he's had lovestechnology.
So I'm just thinking, God, comeback.
And if he comes back in thelinear way to another lifetime
after this one, come back andlike be a young kid in AI and
like fly an astronaut likeairplane or like do quantum
(30:26):
computing.
Like you're just like leave nowto come back and be fresh.
So if you really relax and say,God, I don't have to write that
all-enduring novel in thislifetime.
I can always, I always haveanother one to do it in.
It takes a lot of pressure down.
You don't have to find the loveof your life in this lifetime.
He might have died dramaticallyand by accident some other time.
(30:48):
It's okay.
You're gonna have time to meetthem again.
Like if you really can relaxabout that, the way your inner
voice is, it's like not everyscene has to happen in this
episode of the show, is a theway your inner voice is looking
at this.
And your mind is just saying,no, everything happened has to
happen in this episode becausethat's all I have access to.
And it is true that the, and Ihave compassion for the mind.
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Of course it feels that waybecause it doesn't, unless it's
getting past life stuff comingin, it doesn't even think
there's other things, it thinksit's just this thing.
So of course it's got thatstress upon it, but your inner
voice is not coming from thatplace.
It says, you know, there is, andalso it's said to people, by the
way, on the idea of overwhelm,we talked about that the other
day.
The inner voice said it is morepractical to slow down and rest
(31:32):
than it is to stay in the stateof overwhelm because it's not as
productive.
So a calmer state of beingactually is a more productive
state of being, which wasinteresting to hear.
So if people are practicallythinking, how do I do this with
my kids and the shuffle andeverything?
Don't worry so much.
Like just go through theemotions that you need to go
through.
But worrying that you're notgetting enough done is not ask
(31:55):
your inner voice like what'simportant on the table and what
do I need to take off the table,even as a way of going.
Cause there's probably a lot ofthings your inner voice doesn't
think is that important thatyour mind is stressed by.
Actually, everything that you'restressed by is because your mind
is thinking it's important andyour inner voice isn't.
SPEAKER_01 (32:10):
Yeah, yeah.
You brought up the umrelationship thing.
I know you in the past, that'sbeen a it's been something
you've desired.
Yeah.
I and I know years ago there wasthat there was that tension of
it's not happening yet.
Yeah.
But I can you've answered whereyou're at with that, with
(32:31):
exactly what you've been talkingabout for the last 10 minutes.
Is there anything else you wantto add to that?
SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
No, I mean, it's like, well, the thing about the
partner, looking back on it now,I can see that I've had, I
didn't know this about, Istarted to notice that the
people I met as I traveled theworld meant so much to me.
And I know everyone can likedate and people can mean a lot
to them, but I was like, really,like this person meant so much
to me.
And I started to feel overobservational time through the
(32:57):
years, like I feel like I'm likekept being heartbroken because
these short bursts of beauty andlove would then not last.
And I would be heartbroken andtraumatized.
Like, how could this not havebeen the person?
It was so beautiful.
And then I was like, I feel likemy soul, this, but I don't know
if this was before or after Iwanted it to be my last lifetime
or not.
But before after that point, Istarted to observe, probably
after that point, I started toobserve this feels like I'm in
(33:19):
football or soccer, and I'msaying good game, good game,
good game, and high-fiving everyperson, every soul that was
meaningful to me in otherlifetimes.
And I was so it was traumatizingto the mind because it doesn't
know what's going on.
My inner voice was like, hey,buddy, we're just gonna have you
meet all of your favorite soulsfrom all the other lifetimes,
and you're just gonna say hi andsay, I love you.
(33:41):
And you're gonna have this briefencounter with them, but they're
not gonna stick around becausethese are ultimately godfather,
fathers, um, brothers.
I have a gay partner.
One of them I think was gay withme in another lifetime.
That was an interesting one.
I was like, I feel like we weregay in another lifetime.
We were both men.
That was an interesting one, butnot a like peaceful long-term
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partnership for now.
It's just an interesting personor soul that had an interesting
pattern and dynamic to meet upwith again.
So if my inner voice had justtold me that, I think it also
would have taken the beauty ofeach person out because if I
wasn't falling in love with theperson in front of me and fully
experiencing it, but I alreadyknew, oh, this person isn't the
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person, they're just someoneI've loved, I think it wouldn't
have felt as meaningful and deepbecause I would have probably
like labeled it and tamped downthe emotion and tamped down the
experience.
But in, and also I would havesaid, I don't even want to have
that experience of meeting abunch of people that aren't my
person.
I just want my person innervoice, skip it.
But think about this.
Imagine this from thenon-physical, and imagine your
non-physical soul is an actorand it's played.
(34:44):
So my soul has been an actor in1052 movies.
1052 lifetimes is always theanswer my inner voice gives me
to how many lives I've had, nomatter what I ask, 1052.
So if I've had 1,052 lifetimesmovies, and now I'm in my last
movie, it makes all the sense,logically, even in the
non-physical, that you'd want toplay the movie with every
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character, every actor thatyou've had a meaningful role
with.
You would want to not like you'dwant to see them and you'd want
to have them make a cameoappearance in your final movie.
So that's from a soulperspective, from my mind to be
like, shut that down.
I only want the final character.
I don't want to meet the rest ofthem.
And so there was this tensionthat I was experiencing.
(35:29):
It's even in my actualastrology.
My friend told me about a yearago, by the way, you have Venus
in your south node, which meansa lot of um past people from
loves that you've had in thepast will come back into your
life in this one.
So it's been fascinating to seethat it wasn't a fault.
It was actually on purpose, butjust from a more fun perspective
(35:51):
of my soul than my mind.
Wow.
Wow.
Now that changed the wholething, but I had to go through
years of living it to find thatout.
And so now that I can say thatto you, you might go to your
inner voice much quicker and go,inner voice, this is a past
life.
Inner voice is this meant tolast.
Inner voice, what is this?
Like you now can do that.
I went into all of this blindly.
I didn't have, I just had tolive it out to see it become
(36:15):
apparent.
And then, you know, my friendcan say that comment, but I only
heard that comment years afterI'd already lived it and seen it
through life experience.
SPEAKER_01 (36:23):
We should we should wrap this up, but I'd love to
have I'd love to have thisconversation.
I'd love to have a finalconversation about the concept
of accelerating time, speedingup time.
SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
Why would you want to speed it up?
Or do you think it is speedingup?
Question.
SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
No, no, is it?
Is it?
Because there is a conversationthat you know, you hear little
people, I hear snippets ofsaying, well, it feels like time
speeding up.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Here's what I would say.
And I think I've heard a channelyears ago say the similar thing.
So I'm not going to take fullresponsibility for saying this
brilliant thing, but it's acontainer.
So time is a measurementcontainer, and how much you can
fit in that container, we say isobjective.
But what if more things arehappening in the same amount of
time?
And that's truly happening.
(37:09):
So in the past, if you wanted togo from Australia, how would it
long would it take to go toLondon to Australia in a
steamboat?
Do you remember back?
SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
Do you know I think it was about three months or
three months?
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
So when you have three months to about a month to
yeah, three weeks or something.
SPEAKER_01 (37:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
Yeah.
There you go.
So that's what now it used totake three weeks, yeah, and now
it takes 30 hours mostly with alayover, usually.
So done it many times, 30 hours.
Or 24 if you get a yeah, get areally good one.
I know, depending.
I 24 definitely can be good.
30 is often well.
So, anyways, that's about sowe've taken that, and so we've
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condensed the amount ofexperience into a we've moved
through time so much uh space somuch faster, the measurement of
time and space, that there'smore experience for you to be
had in the year because you caninstead of spending three months
on the boat and then nine monthson Sydney, you can spend 30
hours or 24 hours in theairplane and then have 364 days
(38:09):
in Sydney.
And so the amount of experienceof Sydney you can have in the
same amount of a time of a yearis accelerating.
So now that's from 100 years agoor maybe even 50 years ago till
now.
So eventually we'll havesomething like teleportation, or
you know, it'll get even moreamount of experience capable
(38:31):
within a specific measurement oftime.
So I just you could almost saytime's expanding to include
more.
So as things and what is alsoexpanding is information getting
shared quickly.
Imagine how far and longinformation, writing books and
then having access to readingand then having the physical
books moved around the planetused to be for people to find
(38:54):
things out versus the internet.
So the amount that information,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
I remember the days when we used to have early work
days where you have to wait forthe memos to arrive.
When I was working in London andthen the memos would come from
Australia, paper memos.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
I mean, so that's gonna be that's like one so it's
a it's basically going on thehockey stick um curve.
So that used to be one thing.
But what's now gonna bemind-blowing to us is that let's
just look at ours as theantique, we're the antique time.
So in the future, what's gonnabe is we're gonna have some kind
of strange implant in ourbrains, most likely, where we
(39:36):
have the internet directly inour brains.
And the minute somethinghappens, we're instantaneously
aware of it, not just, oh, whendid you last go on your phone
and check the internet or checka social media thing or see
something, that it may be known.
So it might get to the pointwhere we're much more connected
to what's happening around theworld with different people
instantaneously rather than withthe current mode of you have to
(40:00):
go check your computer or youhave to go check your phone.
So even though we're veryattached to our phones and we
think that we're seeing thingsvery quickly, that actually will
go.
I I'll remember when I didn'tknow Princess or King Charles
died for six hours.
But you know, I didn't look atmy phone for six hours, so I
didn't know he died for sixhours.
And we'll say now in the future,like you'll know instantly the
(40:23):
minute he died, it is likeliterally in your awareness.
And so the six hour like lagtime we have now will be the
three-month um cruise toAustralia on the boat.
So, what's going to feel?
So then imagine how muchexperience you can have.
So, as the information and thespeed of space, because we're
(40:43):
going through space faster, thatmake takes less time.
We're going, we're going throughfaster speeds of airplanes and
eventually be more like fasterairplanes or teleportation or
something.
As we go through time faster andwe go through share information
faster, more experience canhappen faster.
And so more things can cyclethrough your experience, which
(41:04):
then feels like time is speedingup.
But time doesn't even have tospeed up itself, it just can
contain more experience.
So, how long things take tohappen will just be less.
And then the minute, so yourbread breaks in one 30 seconds
and microwaves did this fromovens to microwaves.
It went from 20 minutes or 30minutes to bake the bread to 30
(41:26):
seconds.
Yeah, to seconds.
And so that then means you'reeating 30 minutes earlier, which
means you can do 30 minutes ofother things.
So then you're in that daygetting more done, more
experiences are happeningbecause of the speed of
information and the speed ofspace, the speed of going
through space.
That means time is expanding toinclude more.
(41:50):
And so for that reason, it feelslike it's going faster.
But in a way, you could also sayit's going slower because you
say, look how much I got done ina year versus what I could have
done in the last.
SPEAKER_01 (42:04):
Yeah, it does, it does feel like a year now.
Yeah, it's it just the timechange, like what I can do in
three months.
It would take me a year.
SPEAKER_00 (42:13):
One thing you can do with playing with time is let
time serve you.
So I used to have the fear ofnot enough time when I was
younger, and then I had the fearof too much time in Sydney.
And most people don't get to thefear of too much time until
they're older, this retirement.
And then they're like, oh God,why I do off all this time.
But I hit that point at 34, 35,and I was like, well, what
(42:34):
happens if I just don't fill thetime?
And I just let the time be thisunknown app, empty cavern of
nothingness.
It was terrifying, far worsethan the fear of too much time.
People don't think that becausethey they feel so time-starved
that they want more time.
But if you actually had acalendar of infinite nothingness
ahead of you and you weren't aslooped in, because I was really
(42:54):
detached.
My intuition had pulled me outof my family, my friends, my I
had like two friends in Sydney,but I had three months there and
two friends that can't that havekids and busy lives.
They don't have a lot of time tospend with me.
So I have a lot of time on myown.
And if I don't go fill that withsomething and I just let it be
emptiness, it was scary.
And I didn't know what wouldhappen.
I thought I would die ofboredom, basically, or want to
(43:16):
die because I was so bored.
And what ended up happening whenI totally took myself out of
time in a mass consciousness androutined way, and I wasn't even
doing the show.
I then ended up without anymental stories of what was right
or wrong.
I just did it.
Well, my body ended up shiftingto the sun.
(43:37):
Now I have zero of that likehippie, like, oh, I need to do
this.
So good.
I'm grounding and earthing.
I not do, I don't do any of thatstuff.
But what did happen without anymental story of what was good or
earthy or good, whatever?
I did notice my body shifted tothe sunrise and the sunset.
So that was interesting becauseI would always fear like, what
was I gonna do all night and bebored all night?
(43:58):
But my body would actually go.
Bed around 7:30 or 8 and wake upfor the sun.
So that was interesting that itshifted.
That's fascinating.
But not with a hippieconsciousness that says that's
it was just a natural thing.
It just happened without anystory of what was right or
wrong.
But what I loved from my mindwas that I didn't get bored at
night because I thought thebored at night was going to be
(44:19):
the loneliest time becauseduring the day I could walk to
places, I could eat food, Icould read or I could go, yeah,
really do a lot of walking orshopping or something.
So I could do things.
But the night was the scarytime.
And it ended up working outfine.
I got through it.
It was beautiful.
I learned, I listened to a lotof spiritual teachings at the
(44:40):
time and I didn't end up dyingof boredom, which was my big
fear.
But then once I got through thefear of too much time, what I
started to notice was this whenyou break through both pendulum
sides, too much, too little oftime, you end up realizing when
you're clear that time will fityou like a glove.
So if you ever feel likesomething's going to take too
long, play with time.
(45:01):
Say if you feel like there's notenough time to finish something,
stop looking at the clock for abit and just let time expand.
So more experience can be packedinto the time.
And don't hyper stare at theclock because then you're going
to you're going to beconsciously collapsing the time
to go too fast because you'rethinking it's not enough time.
It's not enough time.
Step back from the clock and go,there's always enough time and
(45:22):
I'm always on time.
And then you can actually getmore done than you think you
could get done in that amount oftime.
And the other thing is the otherthing that not enough time will
do sometimes if you're not alate person is that you'll get
places earlier than you need toand you're stressing.
But if you actually just relax abit, you would get there exactly
on time versus if you're of notbeing on time gets you there a
few minutes early all the time,but you're stressed.
(45:44):
So that I've noticed shifted toperfect time rather than early.
And then if you feel like theother side of it, I feel like
it's never going to happen.
That even if you feel like maybesomething like your partner is
never going to happen or yourcareer is never going to change,
step back from focusing on thatand let time serve you in a like
(46:05):
what is this the time for?
And what else can I putattention on?
And also let it be fast.
Like let the time fly foryourself while you're waiting
for one manifestation thathasn't come out of the oven yet.
Just allow it to say, well, Iwant this to be a really fast
feeling experience rather thanit's not happening, it's not
happening, it's not happening.
I want it to feel really fast.
(46:26):
But then what can I also focuson in the now that is in my
ability to focus on?
So what can I learn or do orexperience now while that's
happening?
And hopefully it will happen ina, oh my God, it happened faster
than I expected.
Even though it might be fiveweeks, you want the experience
of that five weeks to feel like,oh, it only took five weeks by
(46:47):
the time that it happens, not ohmy God, every day of the five
weeks you're stressing.
SPEAKER_01 (46:51):
Which is really practical because that gap can
kill us, can't it?
SPEAKER_00 (46:55):
It's the gap is the mind stress.
That's the suffering.
Well, you say there's it's neverhappening, and you stare the
clock down.
So you kind of want to actuallyuse the clock extremely lightly.
I would never wear a watch in mylike that's say never a watch,
I'll wear a watch, but um, Idon't want to have the reminder
of time.
I want time to be like a there'sa proverbial phrase, like a
(47:16):
loose robe.
I only use it to meet people.
I don't have a time that I wakeup or a time I go to bed.
I just use it to be on time forPilates in 40 minutes or to meet
you.
I don't use it in any othercapacity than that.
And it's not really needed, it'sjust there to meet people.
SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
I am I feel like I've sat down at a feast and
just feasted, just had thisbeautiful feast.
Is there anything else you'dlike to uh just close off with?
SPEAKER_00 (47:48):
No, I'd say thank you for letting me share.
I mean, obviously I went into alot of different tangents there,
so it might, if it was at allinteresting, be good to
re-listen to it because there'sprobably different pieces and
then we get more activated thanothers.
But yeah, thank you for havingme.
Thank you.
Hello there, I'm Marilyn, and this is the next
episode in the Time Wow series.
Today's guest is Bella Lively.
SPEAKER_00 (00:08):
So we use our imagination to stress us out or
make us sad more often than wedo to make us actually in the
now moment genuinely happy.
SPEAKER_01 (00:17):
Bella is the host of the Lively Show podcast, which
has had, get this, over 17million downloads.
This chat goes quite literallyeverywhere from listening to the
inner voice, relationship, pastlives, imagination, and
occasionally we remember to talkabout time.
So happy you're here, fella.
SPEAKER_00 (00:39):
Thank you so much for having me.
SPEAKER_01 (00:41):
Oh, I feel like I go way back with you.
Uh I went to one of youroriginal C schools.
Like in Woolamaloo.
Remember that?
2018.
SPEAKER_00 (00:51):
That would be, yeah.
I lived in that building at thetime, actually.
SPEAKER_01 (00:53):
So that was incredible.
And you are you're you're kindof like a veteran of the whole
podcasting space.
You must have seen a lot ofchanges over your time, but
you've seen a lot of changes inyourself as well.
I mean, there's so manyiterations of you and this like
(01:14):
this growth.
This has been incredible.
But as time's passed, how haveyou seen that change?
SPEAKER_00 (01:21):
Oh, about myself or podcasting?
Oh, both, really.
Oh well, podcasting.
This is the first, I think thismay be the first video
podcasting interview I've everdone ever.
So I've done 450 episodes andnever been on video before.
I'm always just sitting lookingslumpy on my bed as I record my
own.
So, or with any of the gueststhat I've ever worked with.
So this is different as far aspodcasting goes.
(01:44):
Um, that said, I'm sure it'staken its own direction, but in
the last 10 years, I've stayedremarkably consistent with my
own um style of podcasting.
The topics, however, as you'rementioning, evolved with my own
consciousness.
And that is probably longer thanthe episode itself should be.
So I'll just say, yeah, Istarted in one level of
(02:05):
consciousness and then traveledthrough many more throughout the
show.
And people like to refer back towhat year of me and even the
name of me that they're at intheir own journey.
So people like to say, Oh yeah,I'm like at season six, you
know, the Abraham version ofJess back then.
And now they'll be like, Oh, orno, I'm actually I'm now in the
(02:25):
place where she's Bella and I'mat season 11.
So um there's when they say thatthey're speaking to not just
what they're listening to as faras the show goes, but where
they're resonating in their ownconsciousness.
So they kind of can sometimesrefer to their own consciousness
evolution in relation to theseasons of my own on the show.
SPEAKER_01 (02:42):
So there's a beautiful timeline there that
people can hook into almost towhere they're I think it's the
most documented part ofconsciousness.
SPEAKER_00 (02:51):
Imagine like 10 years of somebody opening and
evolving, but then sharingweekly to bi-weekly.
There were definitely breaks andlonger periods of isolation as I
went deeper inside myself andwasn't sharing on the show.
But for 10 years, I have been,you can hear it in my voice, you
hear it in the life story.
And um, just by the nature ofsocial media being different
(03:12):
than it was thousands of yearsago, you know, we don't get
Buddha or Jesus or you know, wedon't get to have those
spiritual people's um evolutionrecorded and actually captured
so you can go back and listen.
The only one I've ever heard ofthat really kind of does the
same, even Eckhart comes off,you know, we only know Eckhart
after his transformation, notthe journey to and through, or
(03:34):
even Michael Singer.
You don't know him from before,you know him after.
Ram Doss is the only one I'veever heard have um his voice you
can hear shift over decades ofhis own journey that's been
recorded, and you can reallytell the difference in his point
of view as he's been captured.
But he's the only person, but itbut it's not still in a daily
impersonal kind of diary way,like my show has been.
(03:56):
So it's interesting.
SPEAKER_01 (03:57):
I didn't do it on purpose, but here we are.
But it's there and it'scaptured.
And I yeah, I hadn't thought ofit like that, but it's it's
actually brilliant because mostpeople will write a book or
they'll publish something fromthe perspective of I've been
through there, that's the letlesson.
This is the sharing.
(04:17):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
Imagine Ypre love doing a vlog, only she was
vlogging her journey in Italyand Indonesia.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (04:24):
Whereas we've had this window into your uh growth
and evolution over time, whichis really relatable, but also
just fascinating uh as you yeah,as it's it yeah, it's like
having this little peak ofwindow into your into your life.
How I mean you now you're youyou're in a different place,
(04:47):
your energy is different.
You're there's a there's a pieceabout you that I don't think
I've seen before.
SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
That's funny.
Kayleen is on the show on myepisode today, airing, and she
said she said this to me before,and so she brought it up in the
show.
She's like, You're nicer now,you're kinder than Jess was more
strict teacher, and Bella ismore um soft.
And I guon mentioned it as wellin a different episode that's
coming soon.
I don't do anything obviously onpurpose, so there's no conscious
(05:19):
projection out of me.
What you're noticing is not onpurpose or deciding to be
different than anything before,but I that basically I'm just
seeing it shared by otherpeople.
I'm not even necessarily inside,but you know, I had a theory.
I wonder if the beauty of myBella Vita that I spend so much
(05:42):
time in is such a beautifulvibration that I practice it so
much that I wonder if the blendof that vibration is coming
through me more in this reality,unconsciously and
unintentionally.
Um, I that's the only thoughtthat I have mentally to that,
other than I just think I have,with all the journey, so much
(06:02):
even more compassion for peopleand how difficult this journey
can be.
And that's through all of themany years of going through it
myself.
Um, obviously it was harder whenI was younger, but at the same
time, the the length and thecontinuation of it is what's
really going, oh my God, thislife, though it doesn't have to
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be hard and doesn't have to befull of suffering in any way.
I just have so much compassionfor the human's journey going
through it all and that it justkeeps going and that that's not
easy to do.
And I think I have a lot ofcompassion for that, which might
also be a factor.
So Bellavita plus maybe thecontinual wearing down of my own
life into humility of like thisis not always easy.
(06:47):
And it's long.
SPEAKER_01 (06:48):
No, no, no, no, and I think over time that's proven
there's a softness and a beautyabout you that is just yeah,
just because I haven't had thisclose contact with you in until
since what 2018.
SPEAKER_00 (07:03):
So yeah, oh, definitely then I wanted to die.
I was in a completelyinteresting place in my journey.
I mean, there's been like 16other places in the journey
since then as well, but that oneparticularly was one of the
darkest, um, darkest being likethe most contrasting between my
(07:23):
mind and my inner voice, umplaces in the journey.
And it's one of the mostpivotal, and it's one of the
classic ones that most peoplewill go through at some point in
some lifetime or another.
Um, so it was fascinating to doC school at that time when I was
going through so much.
I actually think now, how thehell did I go through the
journey I went through insidemyself and still like not run a
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community that's opposite ofwhat it was, but how did I show
up for the community and do alike a conference like that and
still be able to go through?
Cause I think people don't evenreally have a fraction of what
it really has been like insideof my life experience to live.
Um, nor should they, you know,I'm not asking for pity or
anything, but I just think it'sreally I I don't need to come
(08:07):
out as like a victim ofanything.
It's certainly not that.
But I think that I think backlike, how did I do, how did I do
that and still do C school?
Or how did I do that and stillrun a company?
How did I do that and stillteach and help other people?
It's kind of shocking when Ilook back on with compassion my
younger self and what I wasfacing from the point of view of
what I saw and understood at thetime.
SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Bella Vita, I I'd love to actually use this space
too to share some of these, Idon't even know what to call
them, concepts or things,Bellerisms.
Like like Bella Vita, tell ussomeone who's never met you
before, what is Bella Vita?
SPEAKER_00 (08:46):
So Bella Vita is your own, well, is my name for
my own personal dimension usingmy own imagination.
So what I realized, so in the Cschool experience, right before
that, I was in Willamaloo onthat staircase in that apartment
that I lived there in.
And at that point, I had beenbefore going up the staircase
one day in Sydney, I was like, Iwant to have 30 more lifetimes.
(09:08):
If there's lifetimes, I want tohave 30 more of them, 30 more
businesses, 30 more families, 30more houses to design and build.
And then I went up the staircaseone day, completely
unintentionally and unmentallydecided.
I just hit this wall of I can'tdo this anymore.
I don't want to be here anymore.
I don't want another lifetime.
I don't even know if I want tostay in this lifetime.
I actually felt this longing togo be with my friends, which
(09:32):
were the non-physical channelsthat I'd been learning so much
from.
And I'd been isolated for solong and so many years.
I think it'd been two and a halfyears by that point, um, living
around the world nomadicallybecause of my intuition, kind of
dragging me around andbeautifully, but dragging me to
place I always wanted a familyand house and to be living like
a normal life.
I did not ever want anythinglike what I experienced, but it
(09:54):
was beautiful but difficultbecause it wasn't what I
actually wanted from the mind.
And then I hit this staircasemoment where I said, I don't, I
don't want to stay here anymorewith the humans that see the way
the world the way they see it.
I want to go be with thechannels that see the world and
other non-physical dimensionsand spaces the way they see.
I want to go be with my friends.
(10:14):
And the equivalent I would sayis that it's like I was in high
school for a long time and I wasready to graduate.
And I wanted to go be with thecollege friends that I'd been
hanging out with.
And so it wasn't a, oh, woe isme, life is too hard.
This is, you know, this is not asuicide attempt from the normal
perspective you might hearabout.
This is actually a graduationperspective of, oh, I'm just
(10:37):
done with high school.
I don't want to be here anymore.
I want to go where the growthand the friends are that I'm
expanding with.
And that I remember going up thestaircase hitting me.
I didn't have that.
So before I was happy in highschool and wanted to have 30
more years of high school or 30more lifetimes of high school.
Then I was like, no, no morehigh school.
I need to go to college,whatever that is, I want to go
(10:59):
there.
And I didn't, I laid on my bed,I was like, show me, take me to
take me away.
Like, not to die, but just Ilaid there going, I want to have
access to the non-physicals.
I do not want to stay heretrapped with just humans and
channels that, you know, talk tothe other entities.
And ironically, what Iexperienced in that moment was
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other entities.
I just didn't know what toperceive them as.
So they were there.
I just retrospectively yearslater, I could go, I was
actually definitely not alone inthat moment.
But in the moment I didn't knowhow to identify what was present
because it was so not linear andmental.
It didn't look like a body.
I didn't see or feel anyphysical five senses, nothing,
(11:42):
no touch, no sight, no smell.
But I perceived them, but Ididn't know what I was
perceiving.
I just said, oh, there's somecolors and blah, blah, blah.
But but that was my mind'sinterpretation of these beings.
So it took a few years later anda few other experiences on the
other side to go, that's whatthat is.
Okay.
But that didn't land for me atthe time.
So ironically, looking back, Iwasn't alone, but I felt like
(12:04):
nothing actually happened.
And then I just had to livegoing, I'm not actually gonna
off myself physically in adramatic way.
But your point about Bella Vidawas that I then realized, like,
I don't want to live anymore.
And like, what's left to livefor?
And it was enlightenment andrealization.
So then I got obsessed with thatfor years and wanted that more
than anything else on the earthbecause I basically kind of felt
(12:25):
like I achieved everything elseon earth besides the family and
the partner that I'd wanted.
I'd we had everything else to asense of satisfaction.
I didn't need 10 milliondollars.
I'm, you know, a few million,that's I like I didn't need what
a hundred million downloads, 17million downloads sounded good.
Like I didn't need more of anyof the world's things because
(12:47):
what I realized ultimately isthat anything you have in this
dimension is like pixels on yourcomputer screen rearranging
themselves, but it's all thesame pixels.
So you can see a pixel on yourcomputer you screen, you can see
a picture of us right now, oryou can put a picture of an
elephant and then you have anelephant or a mansion in a
mansion, a beautiful beach, andthen you're in Indonesia, but
it's still the same physicalsenses.
(13:08):
You're still trapped in fivesenses and they're just
different temperatures,different colors, different
places, but they're all time,they're all space, they're all
spectrums of five sensoryperception.
And so you're just mixing up andmaking it's all different sand
castles with the same sand.
I eventually realized.
And so that boringness, likeeventually you get done playing
(13:30):
with the sandbox.
And so I didn't even know whatthe other was beyond the
sandbox, but I was like, I justdon't want to stay here anymore.
Um, and I went on a journey thatlanded, so I think that was at
33, is when I hit that point onthe staircase.
When you met me, that was theage I was.
At 36, I was in Hawaii 2020, 35,36.
And I ended up having theexperience that is a hallmark of
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it's not that it's a permanentenlightenment that then um lands
me like an eckhartoly with noego or mind or emotions.
That's not what happened, butthe understanding that my
awareness so deeply desired tounderstand the nature of itself
occurred.
And my mind uh interestingly hadto inter pull that together.
(14:14):
What does that interpret,interpret that?
It eventually interpreted whathappened to my awareness.
And then I realized I was justawareness in that point.
So basically, my awarenessrealized, oh, I'm just
awareness.
And that's the typical classichallmark milestone of
enlightenment.
There's many continualevolutions of consciousness.
It's certainly not the end, it'sjust a one of the things that
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happens, but it's a huge, Imean, very classic thing to know
is I am awareness.
I'm not a body, I'm not a mind,I'm not a character, I'm not a
soul, I'm awareness being asoul, being a character in a
mind with a personality andidentity, but I'm none of those
other things.
So once I realized that, then Iwas just okay, I knew that.
That was kind of satisfying tohit that moment.
But years and years later, thisstarted um after Portugal
(15:00):
happened.
I came to London 2022 and Irealized, okay, so I'm just
awareness.
What am I gonna do with it?
And not that I thought, what amI gonna do with it as a thought,
but I just started to realizeI'm just awareness and I'm
placing my awareness in dreamsand I'm placing my awareness in
the um this life, or my soul isplacing my the awareness of
itself in other lives.
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So why not place my awarenessinto something that I want?
Why not place my awareness intosomething that is just for joy?
Why not place my awarenessinstead of in earth and being
feeling trapped here or feelinglike, okay, I'm trying to
perceive other entities, whichon the other side is
interesting, but not evennecessary, but I mean it was
(15:42):
interesting.
But why not create my own, usethis consciousness and its
imagination for my own desires?
And that's when Bella Vita wasactually a very long question or
answer to question about BellaVita.
But then I realized why notstart using this awareness in a
fun way?
And why not using it to createwhatever I want?
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Why would I limit myself nowthat I know that's all I
actually am from using what Iactually am and all the fun ways
that I actually could?
Usually your imagination isgetting used by your mind to
worry about the future, which isfake because it's worrying about
stuff that often never happens.
So it's a fake future that it'sstressing you about or it
stresses or laments the past.
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And it's a fake past becauseit's not that the fast was fake,
it's that your going back to itisn't in the now moment what
really happened then.
You're just revisiting it theway you want to visit it,
whether you're doing it kindly,like, oh, I remember when my mom
made me cookies and now she'sdied and she's not here anymore,
but you're remembering thefeeling.
That's not the cookie moment,that's the feeling of memory,
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remembering it.
But often we do that fromsadness or from regret or
something, or that we're sadthat it's not here anymore.
So even if it's positive, we'rekind of sad that it's not now.
So we use our imagination tostress us out or make us sad
more often than we do to make usactually in the now moment
genuinely happy.
And so I started doing that andI realized through doing it for
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the pure joy of it, that it isincredibly effective for joy and
feelings that you can't umnecessarily access through
manifestations on earth yet.
But as you do do it for joy andyou maintain it, things start to
match your Bellavita here.
But when I say that, the problemwith it is minds that are
immature will not to saynegatively, but that what
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they'll do, and I understand mymind would have done the same
thing in many of the years of myown journey too.
So I say this from my ownunderstanding of my own mind at
certain places, they will say,okay, so I should go to
Bellavita to feel good so I getwhat I want here.
And when the mini say so that Iget what I want here, you're not
doing Bellavita the the way thatit's actually sustainable.
It's only sustainable when thejoy is in the journey, not the
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destination.
So if you read a book like areally big book, like Alexander
Dumas, Three Musketeers, reallythick.
If you're only doing it tofinish the book, you're not
enjoying the entire book andyou're not going to keep reading
such a long book.
And if you don't read the wholebook, you're not going to get to
the end.
So you have to actually enjoyreading the book for the ending.
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You can't just get the stuff ifyou're not actually enjoying the
process of not having the stuff,but get it.
Well, you have the stuff, it'sjust in Belavida.
And I'm not even hyper specificat all in Belavida about
anything I actually want onEarth.
What the joy of Belavida is, isthat there's no limitations and
it's instant manifestation.
So when you're there, you don'thave to have anything to do with
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Earth or any kind ofmanifestations here.
You can just create everythingthat you couldn't even have
here, practically speaking, um,like floating, flying, being
nothing, being a totallydifferent avatar type, being a
man if you're a woman, or beinglike, but like being a smurf, if
you want to be a smurf, like youcan literally do anything you
want there.
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And you just do it for the joyof it.
But what happens is thefrequency practice will bring
things like the frequency toyour earth self.
But if you're doing it for thediscovery of earth, you're gonna
have a hard time maintaining itenough to get the result.
What's the difference betweenbelly vatering and daydreaming?
Oh, nothing, really.
There's literally nothing.
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Like what it is is daydreaming.
You're a lucid dreamer, you'redoing it while you're awake.
And what do you do?
What is a dream?
It's just your imagination usingitself to regurgitate, usually
earthly stressful situations,not very fun, versus consciously
choosing to use yourimagination.
I would say nothing, verylittle.
Whereas growing up, we would,you know, it was like taught not
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to do it.
Taught to daydream.
Because people stuck in theirwhat I okay.
You want to know why thathappens?
All right.
So the development, this is goesback to C school stuff.
So this is the development uhstages of the mind.
So when you're born, you'resleeping a lot.
Most of the time, infants areasleep.
So they're in delta brain stagefrom zero to two, I think, or
zero to one.
Then they get to theta, two tofour.
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They they're in theta, which isthe brain state you're probably
going into when you're inBelavita.
And that state is imagination.
And you literally think aslittle kids that the fort is a
real fort and that the box is areal castle.
They don't know the differencethat all the things that they
believe fantastically, orthey're their imaginary friends,
they're in a state ofreceptivity to imagination.
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So they are at the brain stateand they only can function at
that state.
Then you get up to alpha as youget a little older, seven to
nine, I think.
And then once you're up to eightto nine, you're getting into
beta.
Beta is logic and reasoningmode.
That's what adults end upspending based on the mental
projected mass consciousness.
That's where they spend themajority of their time.
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Yes, they'll go through thealpha theta to down to delta to
sleep at night.
But then the minute they wakeup, they very quickly go from
theta, alpha up to beta.
Or they so then they live up inbeta, thinking and logic and
reasoning, or high beta, whichis anxiety and stress.
So the the mass consciousnessmuggle world has been living in
beta and out high beta um allthe time.
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And so they're basicallythinking almost.
Yes, and then thinking this iswhere this is the real world.
The imagination is a fun thingyou have when you're a kid, but
it's not real.
And so they stop doing it.
But really, when you meditate,you're going down to alpha.
And when you're in really deepmeditation, you're going down to
theta.
And so once you're in theta,you're in your imagination.
So the brain state, obviously,I'm not measuring my brain, the
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waves, or anything to worryabout whether I'm in that state.
But when you're using yourimagination, you're able to
actually realize.
So it is always it's always beenthere.
And the little kids, which are,think about it, still more
connected to the non-physicalworld because of their slower
brain state, so not as hyperlocked into physical, are
actually more in directconnection.
So they're nice, their nature toimagine and have imaginary
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friends.
Maybe they're not imaginary,maybe they are non physical
friends or beings that they'reactually perceiving.
Or even if they're making it up,and it is like an imaginary
friend that they're consciously.
Consciousness has made up.
Who's to say that's not a?
I mean, you're making up a bunchof meanings about everything in
your life all the time.
Your perceptual reality is basedon what you ascribe meaning to
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things.
So they're just creating alittle being.
But who says that their creationof their little buddy isn't a
real creation?
If it really is just adefinition of real, the mind
will, because the mind's trappedin earth, the mind is a box is
like trapped in the box ofearth.
So it denies anything outside ofthe box of earth because it
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doesn't have direct access toanything outside of the box of
earth.
It can only do the five sensorythings sight, smell, taste,
touch, and hearing.
So that is what it describes asreal.
But your consciousness is onlyis pure consciousness in all
that is, then also focusingitself into a human form.
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So let me see if I can breakthis down.
So your consciousness is farbigger than your body, yet it
does keep your body alive.
My dad is about to probably diein the next few days or weeks.
It's he's right on the edge.
So the majority of hisconsciousness is already on the
non-physical.
There's very, very littleconsciousness left in his
physical form.
We consider that dying, butreally his consciousness isn't
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like dying.
His consciousness is going backto the non-physical, just like a
baby being born is predominantlystill in the non-physical.
We don't look at the baby aslike a horrible thing.
Oh my God, they're sleeping allthe time.
What's wrong with them?
Why don't they want to be here?
They're just in thenon-physical, slowly entering.
But my dad, right now, is slowlyexiting.
And so his consciousness isn'twrong or diminished.
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It's just less present on earth.
So there's less energy keepinghis five sensory mind part and
body alive.
But his consciousness isn'tthat's the thing my awareness
realized.
I'm just awareness, and myawareness is just placing itself
wherever it's placing itself innon-physical or physical realms.
So that this is really deep.
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Your mind only can have access.
So you're because basically,okay.
So your consciousness isbasically all it is and is
imagining anything innon-physical or physical realms.
In the physical realms, though,it imagines it's an animal with
five sensory, you know, thishuman body is ultimately an
animal.
It has more abilities than mostanimals we look around to us.
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We say, no, we're so much betterthan else.
We eat, we poop, we have sex,and we die.
Like we are the same.
Um, physical forms, not thatdissimilar.
It's our minds that like to getall grandiose about how much
better we are and superior, butit's really the consciousness
that is coming through the mindthat is grandiose and superior
and more um multifaceted thanthe consciousness that's going
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through the consciousnessabilities going through the
animals.
So it's still pure consciousnessthrough an animal as much as a
human.
There's no actualdifferentiation, but the the
depth and complexity of theconsciousness coming through a
human form is often differentthan a snail.
Um, but they're both the thingsthat are keep the thing that's
keeping the snail and you aliveis essentially the same, which
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is pure consciousness, all thatis.
And so that is not trapped onearth.
It's just sometimes coming intoearth forms.
And so your earth form wants tosay that nothing else that its
consciousness is going into,it's not even aware that its
consciousness is going anywhereelse, doesn't exist or isn't
important or isn't real, butthat's not true.
It just means that the mindcan't attach, make a friend, or
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do anything with it because it'snot five sensory physical.
So the mind basically only getsto play in one tab of the
browser of your browser.
And so it thinks any other tabof your browser is impossible to
be true or real because it'sonly got and it's trapped into
that one.
That side, your consciousnessthat's making that browser tab
possible, has a million othertabs and is playing a million
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other games.
It's just that the consciousnessthrough which that form in that
tab feels that it denies theexistence of anything else.
SPEAKER_01 (25:58):
The hassles of time just kind of blow away in a
conversation like this.
But then you probably got we'veprobably got people listening or
watching this going, yeah, buthow what do I do with my time's
fascination, my mind'sfascination with time?
And when is this gonna happen?
And when is that gonna happen?
And I can see myself gettingolder.
(26:19):
And you know, what what whatadvice would you give to their
minds?
SPEAKER_00 (26:25):
There's well, the thing is that you're I have a
lot of Sophia session.
Um, we do a group inner voicingwhere the group will suggest a
topic and then I'll askquestions to their inner voices
and they share their answers inthe chat.
It's really fun to see kind ofthe answers they get and just go
on a topic.
Time does come up from time totime.
So definitely have recently beendiving into that subject for the
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benefit of the people doingSophia sessions.
And essentially, your innervoice is not bothered at all
about time because it's all inthe now and it's not worried.
Now, your consciousness, notjust worried about this physical
form.
Your mind is worried primarilyabout the body that it is
existing in right now andkeeping it alive.
Which moves through space andtime and time, which moves
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through space and time.
And so that's a part of you.
And it's it actually, there's noactual worry, as Jesus pointed
out, about the look at thebirds, they're not stressing
about the food they're gonna eattomorrow.
So the mind actually, as and ofitself, isn't even worried about
time, it's just sitting theretrying to make itself survive
and eat food with the now momentthat it needs.
It's your ego, as Eckhart wouldsay.
This this aspect of your mindthat's able to create stories of
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what should be happening andisn't happening right now.
That's really the problem.
It's not actually your classicmind that keeps your human form
alive.
That's not worrying about like,am I gonna get to the write that
book one day or am I gonna findthe love of my life?
Those questions are different,uh, coming from a higher blend,
actually, probably, of yourconsciousness plus your mind,
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adding this extra layer.
And unfortunately, that layer isstressful.
It's actually less stressful tobe your consciousness, if you're
non-fit, non-linearly focused,or your primal brain.
But the middle layer that's likekind of trapped between both is
getting the worst of both worldsbecause it's usually just
worrying about stuff like time.
So that part to understand yourinner voice, you can ask your
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inner voice questions on this.
Like I've done, I'll save youthe time for doing it.
Generally, your inner voice islike there's always enough time
for everything that's reallyneeded.
What your mind thinks is reallyneeded is not what your inner
voice thinks is really needed.
So your mind might think that inorder to feel a fulfilling life,
it needs to do a milliondifferent things that your inner
voice doesn't actually think arethat important for this specific
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lifetime.
Why?
Because your mind is oftenidentifying as I want to get as
much life experience in thisspecific life than all of the
infinite amount of time thatyour soul actually has to come
back and forth into this realitythrough new and different
bodies.
So, for example, my dad, like Imentioned, is on his way out.
(28:59):
And as I'm excited for him, I'mnot gonna have to go through the
emotions that my human body,well, like I'm excited for him
because this worth the way he'sliving is not worth living.
So I'm excited for him torelease the pain and physical
suffering that he's currentlyin.
And I keep telling him, leave,leave.
His inner voice has told me hewants to, it's interesting to be
in the place of zero controlwhen he all had ultimate control
(29:21):
all of his life.
So it's just the flip of apendulum to my his inner voice.
But I'm just like, oh, get out,that go, go, go.
And so if you are looking attime for him, he is a technology
head from the start to finish.
He had Atari, he used to programcomputers, he used to have PC
world, he was into technologyfrom the minute he could find a
(29:41):
video game to everything.
And now he's missing.
You could say, God, if he juststayed around longer, he'd get
to see AI and all the realadvancements that are coming
into Earth now.
So you'd say, God, he doesn'thave enough time to enjoy that.
Or crypto's coming in.
That's interesting.
Like these subjects, even in hismore well-being state, like last
(30:02):
year, weren't in his mentalawareness to keep up with.
They were outpass, surpassingwhere his consciousness was
going.
And I'm thinking, but his actualconsciousness, or at least in
this personality, he's had lovestechnology.
So I'm just thinking, God, comeback.
And if he comes back in thelinear way to another lifetime
after this one, come back andlike be a young kid in AI and
like fly an astronaut likeairplane or like do quantum
(30:26):
computing.
Like you're just like leave nowto come back and be fresh.
So if you really relax and say,God, I don't have to write that
all-enduring novel in thislifetime.
I can always, I always haveanother one to do it in.
It takes a lot of pressure down.
You don't have to find the loveof your life in this lifetime.
He might have died dramaticallyand by accident some other time.
(30:48):
It's okay.
You're gonna have time to meetthem again.
Like if you really can relaxabout that, the way your inner
voice is, it's like not everyscene has to happen in this
episode of the show, is a theway your inner voice is looking
at this.
And your mind is just saying,no, everything happened has to
happen in this episode becausethat's all I have access to.
And it is true that the, and Ihave compassion for the mind.
(31:11):
Of course it feels that waybecause it doesn't, unless it's
getting past life stuff comingin, it doesn't even think
there's other things, it thinksit's just this thing.
So of course it's got thatstress upon it, but your inner
voice is not coming from thatplace.
It says, you know, there is, andalso it's said to people, by the
way, on the idea of overwhelm,we talked about that the other
day.
The inner voice said it is morepractical to slow down and rest
(31:32):
than it is to stay in the stateof overwhelm because it's not as
productive.
So a calmer state of beingactually is a more productive
state of being, which wasinteresting to hear.
So if people are practicallythinking, how do I do this with
my kids and the shuffle andeverything?
Don't worry so much.
Like just go through theemotions that you need to go
through.
But worrying that you're notgetting enough done is not ask
(31:55):
your inner voice like what'simportant on the table and what
do I need to take off the table,even as a way of going.
Cause there's probably a lot ofthings your inner voice doesn't
think is that important thatyour mind is stressed by.
Actually, everything that you'restressed by is because your mind
is thinking it's important andyour inner voice isn't.
SPEAKER_01 (32:10):
Yeah, yeah.
You brought up the umrelationship thing.
I know you in the past, that'sbeen a it's been something
you've desired.
Yeah.
I and I know years ago there wasthat there was that tension of
it's not happening yet.
Yeah.
But I can you've answered whereyou're at with that, with
(32:31):
exactly what you've been talkingabout for the last 10 minutes.
Is there anything else you wantto add to that?
SPEAKER_00 (32:35):
No, I mean, it's like, well, the thing about the
partner, looking back on it now,I can see that I've had, I
didn't know this about, Istarted to notice that the
people I met as I traveled theworld meant so much to me.
And I know everyone can likedate and people can mean a lot
to them, but I was like, really,like this person meant so much
to me.
And I started to feel overobservational time through the
(32:57):
years, like I feel like I'm likekept being heartbroken because
these short bursts of beauty andlove would then not last.
And I would be heartbroken andtraumatized.
Like, how could this not havebeen the person?
It was so beautiful.
And then I was like, I feel likemy soul, this, but I don't know
if this was before or after Iwanted it to be my last lifetime
or not.
But before after that point, Istarted to observe, probably
after that point, I started toobserve this feels like I'm in
(33:19):
football or soccer, and I'msaying good game, good game,
good game, and high-fiving everyperson, every soul that was
meaningful to me in otherlifetimes.
And I was so it was traumatizingto the mind because it doesn't
know what's going on.
My inner voice was like, hey,buddy, we're just gonna have you
meet all of your favorite soulsfrom all the other lifetimes,
and you're just gonna say hi andsay, I love you.
(33:41):
And you're gonna have this briefencounter with them, but they're
not gonna stick around becausethese are ultimately godfather,
fathers, um, brothers.
I have a gay partner.
One of them I think was gay withme in another lifetime.
That was an interesting one.
I was like, I feel like we weregay in another lifetime.
We were both men.
That was an interesting one, butnot a like peaceful long-term
(34:01):
partnership for now.
It's just an interesting personor soul that had an interesting
pattern and dynamic to meet upwith again.
So if my inner voice had justtold me that, I think it also
would have taken the beauty ofeach person out because if I
wasn't falling in love with theperson in front of me and fully
experiencing it, but I alreadyknew, oh, this person isn't the
(34:21):
person, they're just someoneI've loved, I think it wouldn't
have felt as meaningful and deepbecause I would have probably
like labeled it and tamped downthe emotion and tamped down the
experience.
But in, and also I would havesaid, I don't even want to have
that experience of meeting abunch of people that aren't my
person.
I just want my person innervoice, skip it.
But think about this.
Imagine this from thenon-physical, and imagine your
non-physical soul is an actorand it's played.
(34:44):
So my soul has been an actor in1052 movies.
1052 lifetimes is always theanswer my inner voice gives me
to how many lives I've had, nomatter what I ask, 1052.
So if I've had 1,052 lifetimesmovies, and now I'm in my last
movie, it makes all the sense,logically, even in the
non-physical, that you'd want toplay the movie with every
(35:05):
character, every actor thatyou've had a meaningful role
with.
You would want to not like you'dwant to see them and you'd want
to have them make a cameoappearance in your final movie.
So that's from a soulperspective, from my mind to be
like, shut that down.
I only want the final character.
I don't want to meet the rest ofthem.
And so there was this tensionthat I was experiencing.
(35:29):
It's even in my actualastrology.
My friend told me about a yearago, by the way, you have Venus
in your south node, which meansa lot of um past people from
loves that you've had in thepast will come back into your
life in this one.
So it's been fascinating to seethat it wasn't a fault.
It was actually on purpose, butjust from a more fun perspective
(35:51):
of my soul than my mind.
Wow.
Wow.
Now that changed the wholething, but I had to go through
years of living it to find thatout.
And so now that I can say thatto you, you might go to your
inner voice much quicker and go,inner voice, this is a past
life.
Inner voice is this meant tolast.
Inner voice, what is this?
Like you now can do that.
I went into all of this blindly.
I didn't have, I just had tolive it out to see it become
(36:15):
apparent.
And then, you know, my friendcan say that comment, but I only
heard that comment years afterI'd already lived it and seen it
through life experience.
SPEAKER_01 (36:23):
We should we should wrap this up, but I'd love to
have I'd love to have thisconversation.
I'd love to have a finalconversation about the concept
of accelerating time, speedingup time.
SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
Why would you want to speed it up?
Or do you think it is speedingup?
Question.
SPEAKER_01 (36:40):
No, no, is it?
Is it?
Because there is a conversationthat you know, you hear little
people, I hear snippets ofsaying, well, it feels like time
speeding up.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
Here's what I would say.
And I think I've heard a channelyears ago say the similar thing.
So I'm not going to take fullresponsibility for saying this
brilliant thing, but it's acontainer.
So time is a measurementcontainer, and how much you can
fit in that container, we say isobjective.
But what if more things arehappening in the same amount of
time?
And that's truly happening.
(37:09):
So in the past, if you wanted togo from Australia, how would it
long would it take to go toLondon to Australia in a
steamboat?
Do you remember back?
SPEAKER_01 (37:15):
Do you know I think it was about three months or
three months?
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (37:19):
So when you have three months to about a month to
yeah, three weeks or something.
SPEAKER_01 (37:23):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:24):
Yeah.
There you go.
So that's what now it used totake three weeks, yeah, and now
it takes 30 hours mostly with alayover, usually.
So done it many times, 30 hours.
Or 24 if you get a yeah, get areally good one.
I know, depending.
I 24 definitely can be good.
30 is often well.
So, anyways, that's about sowe've taken that, and so we've
(37:44):
condensed the amount ofexperience into a we've moved
through time so much uh space somuch faster, the measurement of
time and space, that there'smore experience for you to be
had in the year because you caninstead of spending three months
on the boat and then nine monthson Sydney, you can spend 30
hours or 24 hours in theairplane and then have 364 days
(38:09):
in Sydney.
And so the amount of experienceof Sydney you can have in the
same amount of a time of a yearis accelerating.
So now that's from 100 years agoor maybe even 50 years ago till
now.
So eventually we'll havesomething like teleportation, or
you know, it'll get even moreamount of experience capable
(38:31):
within a specific measurement oftime.
So I just you could almost saytime's expanding to include
more.
So as things and what is alsoexpanding is information getting
shared quickly.
Imagine how far and longinformation, writing books and
then having access to readingand then having the physical
books moved around the planetused to be for people to find
(38:54):
things out versus the internet.
So the amount that information,yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (38:59):
I remember the days when we used to have early work
days where you have to wait forthe memos to arrive.
When I was working in London andthen the memos would come from
Australia, paper memos.
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (39:15):
I mean, so that's gonna be that's like one so it's
a it's basically going on thehockey stick um curve.
So that used to be one thing.
But what's now gonna bemind-blowing to us is that let's
just look at ours as theantique, we're the antique time.
So in the future, what's gonnabe is we're gonna have some kind
of strange implant in ourbrains, most likely, where we
(39:36):
have the internet directly inour brains.
And the minute somethinghappens, we're instantaneously
aware of it, not just, oh, whendid you last go on your phone
and check the internet or checka social media thing or see
something, that it may be known.
So it might get to the pointwhere we're much more connected
to what's happening around theworld with different people
instantaneously rather than withthe current mode of you have to
(40:00):
go check your computer or youhave to go check your phone.
So even though we're veryattached to our phones and we
think that we're seeing thingsvery quickly, that actually will
go.
I I'll remember when I didn'tknow Princess or King Charles
died for six hours.
But you know, I didn't look atmy phone for six hours, so I
didn't know he died for sixhours.
And we'll say now in the future,like you'll know instantly the
(40:23):
minute he died, it is likeliterally in your awareness.
And so the six hour like lagtime we have now will be the
three-month um cruise toAustralia on the boat.
So, what's going to feel?
So then imagine how muchexperience you can have.
So, as the information and thespeed of space, because we're
(40:43):
going through space faster, thatmake takes less time.
We're going, we're going throughfaster speeds of airplanes and
eventually be more like fasterairplanes or teleportation or
something.
As we go through time faster andwe go through share information
faster, more experience canhappen faster.
And so more things can cyclethrough your experience, which
(41:04):
then feels like time is speedingup.
But time doesn't even have tospeed up itself, it just can
contain more experience.
So, how long things take tohappen will just be less.
And then the minute, so yourbread breaks in one 30 seconds
and microwaves did this fromovens to microwaves.
It went from 20 minutes or 30minutes to bake the bread to 30
(41:26):
seconds.
Yeah, to seconds.
And so that then means you'reeating 30 minutes earlier, which
means you can do 30 minutes ofother things.
So then you're in that daygetting more done, more
experiences are happeningbecause of the speed of
information and the speed ofspace, the speed of going
through space.
That means time is expanding toinclude more.
(41:50):
And so for that reason, it feelslike it's going faster.
But in a way, you could also sayit's going slower because you
say, look how much I got done ina year versus what I could have
done in the last.
SPEAKER_01 (42:04):
Yeah, it does, it does feel like a year now.
Yeah, it's it just the timechange, like what I can do in
three months.
It would take me a year.
SPEAKER_00 (42:13):
One thing you can do with playing with time is let
time serve you.
So I used to have the fear ofnot enough time when I was
younger, and then I had the fearof too much time in Sydney.
And most people don't get to thefear of too much time until
they're older, this retirement.
And then they're like, oh God,why I do off all this time.
But I hit that point at 34, 35,and I was like, well, what
(42:34):
happens if I just don't fill thetime?
And I just let the time be thisunknown app, empty cavern of
nothingness.
It was terrifying, far worsethan the fear of too much time.
People don't think that becausethey they feel so time-starved
that they want more time.
But if you actually had acalendar of infinite nothingness
ahead of you and you weren't aslooped in, because I was really
(42:54):
detached.
My intuition had pulled me outof my family, my friends, my I
had like two friends in Sydney,but I had three months there and
two friends that can't that havekids and busy lives.
They don't have a lot of time tospend with me.
So I have a lot of time on myown.
And if I don't go fill that withsomething and I just let it be
emptiness, it was scary.
And I didn't know what wouldhappen.
I thought I would die ofboredom, basically, or want to
(43:16):
die because I was so bored.
And what ended up happening whenI totally took myself out of
time in a mass consciousness androutined way, and I wasn't even
doing the show.
I then ended up without anymental stories of what was right
or wrong.
I just did it.
Well, my body ended up shiftingto the sun.
(43:37):
Now I have zero of that likehippie, like, oh, I need to do
this.
So good.
I'm grounding and earthing.
I not do, I don't do any of thatstuff.
But what did happen without anymental story of what was good or
earthy or good, whatever?
I did notice my body shifted tothe sunrise and the sunset.
So that was interesting becauseI would always fear like, what
was I gonna do all night and bebored all night?
(43:58):
But my body would actually go.
Bed around 7:30 or 8 and wake upfor the sun.
So that was interesting that itshifted.
That's fascinating.
But not with a hippieconsciousness that says that's
it was just a natural thing.
It just happened without anystory of what was right or
wrong.
But what I loved from my mindwas that I didn't get bored at
night because I thought thebored at night was going to be
(44:19):
the loneliest time becauseduring the day I could walk to
places, I could eat food, Icould read or I could go, yeah,
really do a lot of walking orshopping or something.
So I could do things.
But the night was the scarytime.
And it ended up working outfine.
I got through it.
It was beautiful.
I learned, I listened to a lotof spiritual teachings at the
(44:40):
time and I didn't end up dyingof boredom, which was my big
fear.
But then once I got through thefear of too much time, what I
started to notice was this whenyou break through both pendulum
sides, too much, too little oftime, you end up realizing when
you're clear that time will fityou like a glove.
So if you ever feel likesomething's going to take too
long, play with time.
(45:01):
Say if you feel like there's notenough time to finish something,
stop looking at the clock for abit and just let time expand.
So more experience can be packedinto the time.
And don't hyper stare at theclock because then you're going
to you're going to beconsciously collapsing the time
to go too fast because you'rethinking it's not enough time.
It's not enough time.
Step back from the clock and go,there's always enough time and
(45:22):
I'm always on time.
And then you can actually getmore done than you think you
could get done in that amount oftime.
And the other thing is the otherthing that not enough time will
do sometimes if you're not alate person is that you'll get
places earlier than you need toand you're stressing.
But if you actually just relax abit, you would get there exactly
on time versus if you're of notbeing on time gets you there a
few minutes early all the time,but you're stressed.
(45:44):
So that I've noticed shifted toperfect time rather than early.
And then if you feel like theother side of it, I feel like
it's never going to happen.
That even if you feel like maybesomething like your partner is
never going to happen or yourcareer is never going to change,
step back from focusing on thatand let time serve you in a like
(46:05):
what is this the time for?
And what else can I putattention on?
And also let it be fast.
Like let the time fly foryourself while you're waiting
for one manifestation thathasn't come out of the oven yet.
Just allow it to say, well, Iwant this to be a really fast
feeling experience rather thanit's not happening, it's not
happening, it's not happening.
I want it to feel really fast.
(46:26):
But then what can I also focuson in the now that is in my
ability to focus on?
So what can I learn or do orexperience now while that's
happening?
And hopefully it will happen ina, oh my God, it happened faster
than I expected.
Even though it might be fiveweeks, you want the experience
of that five weeks to feel like,oh, it only took five weeks by
(46:47):
the time that it happens, not ohmy God, every day of the five
weeks you're stressing.
SPEAKER_01 (46:51):
Which is really practical because that gap can
kill us, can't it?
SPEAKER_00 (46:55):
It's the gap is the mind stress.
That's the suffering.
Well, you say there's it's neverhappening, and you stare the
clock down.
So you kind of want to actuallyuse the clock extremely lightly.
I would never wear a watch in mylike that's say never a watch,
I'll wear a watch, but um, Idon't want to have the reminder
of time.
I want time to be like a there'sa proverbial phrase, like a
(47:16):
loose robe.
I only use it to meet people.
I don't have a time that I wakeup or a time I go to bed.
I just use it to be on time forPilates in 40 minutes or to meet
you.
I don't use it in any othercapacity than that.
And it's not really needed, it'sjust there to meet people.
SPEAKER_01 (47:37):
I am I feel like I've sat down at a feast and
just feasted, just had thisbeautiful feast.
Is there anything else you'dlike to uh just close off with?
SPEAKER_00 (47:48):
No, I'd say thank you for letting me share.
I mean, obviously I went into alot of different tangents there,
so it might, if it was at allinteresting, be good to
re-listen to it because there'sprobably different pieces and
then we get more activated thanothers.
But yeah, thank you for havingme.
Thank you.
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