August 5, 2024 • 39 mins
"Can we find a better relationship with this feeling of time? Can we actually slow time down?" - Kerry Shamblin.
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Merilyn (00:00):
Well, hello there.
Welcome or welcome back to thismini-series on time, where I'm
going all around the world itseems, exploring different
opinions and thoughts about ourrelationship with time.
Today's guest is KerryShamblin.
Kerry (00:16):
Infinite space and limited time.
And here we are in these bodiestrying to navigate that.
On one hand, part of us knowsthis is so big and so big and
unknowable and infinite.
And on the other hand, wethink, hurry, hurry, hurry, we
gotta get our stuff done.
We gotta see the world.
We gotta do all the things.
We don't have much time.
Merilyn (00:37):
Kerry is a professional vedic astrologer with the love
of the stars and the planets.
With a deep desire to helppeople create health, enjoy,
understanding and peace in theirlives through the work that she
does.
Honestly, this is such afascinating conversation.
And we chat about how ourunderstanding of time and space
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can reduce things like stressand time pressure.
So let's go.
Hi Kerry, welcome to the show.
Kerry (01:07):
Thank you, Merilyn.
I'm so happy to be here.
Thank you so much for invitingme.
Merilyn (01:11):
I wanted to bring along your can I say your galaxy of
your galaxy of genius into thisconversation.
But before we do that, can youintroduce yourself to people
who've probably never heard ofyou before?
Kerry (01:31):
Probably not.
I I hide pretty well.
Um I'm Kerry Shamblin.
I live in the US, in Colorado.
I'm a mountain person who livesup in uh a beautiful place.
Um I'm in Estes Park, Colorado.
My main gig in life is I'm aVedic astrologer coming from the
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amazing culture of India who'swho has has fostered and kept
this amazing practice alive.
Merilyn (01:59):
And what fascinated you about in particular Vedic
astrology?
Kerry (02:05):
As a kid, I I was a little bit obsessed with the
night sky.
I mean, I can remember beingoutside in the summertime,
looking up at the stars, and youknow, I'm from I'm from
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
It's more in the east part ofthe US.
Just a normal, great family.
My dad was a doctor, mom was anurse, um, good life, good life
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growing up.
But I will I always had thiskind of different way of looking
at everything.
As a kiddo, I looked up in thesky a lot and and looked at the
stars, and it seemed like therewas way more behind all of it
than they were telling me.
And I was aware that there wasastrology horoscopes in a paper,
like in the newspaper.
I'm that old.
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We had newspapers.
So I would look at thesehoroscopes.
I knew that my, you know, mysign was this and that.
And that was that was about it.
But I was always reallyfascinated with the sky and the
stars and the beyond, the bigspace.
Fast forward, um, I sort oftook off from home, great home
life growing up.
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Um, but I was a veryadventurous kid who from age six
had calculated that I had twomore lifetimes until I could
leave and go out on my own.
I I ended up um as a19-year-old coming to here in
Colorado for for the summer withmy friends.
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And after a couple weeks, Irealized, oh, this is my place.
So I ended up staying here inColorado and friends went back
to college.
One day I wandered into aslideshow about Nepal that a guy
was giving because um I had aboyfriend who he was my first
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love, and we had come toColorado together, but then he
had gone and broke my heart.
What a great guy to break myheart.
Uh, still friends with him.
Don't worry, I'm still friendswith him uh after these 30
years.
Um, but he ended up going toNepal.
And so I was curious about thisplace that was that was more
alluring than me.
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So so I came into theslideshow, and this guy um was
living in Boulder, and uheverybody knows him, his name's
Narayan, and he was doing thesehumanitarian projects in his
village in Nepal.
So I was very touched, and Iended up um saying, Can I help
you?
And so I ended up working forhim and his little shop and
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business, and uh I went andlived with his parents in Nepal.
It was an amazing experiencethat ended up being my college,
didn't uh end up staying for toolong because of visa problems.
Visa problems sent me to Indiabecause I wasn't ready to come
back to the US.
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So I went to India and longstory short, I spent a month at
an ashram learning Vedic basicsfrom a Swami guy.
And he was a very good teacher.
His English was great, and itjust laid a foundation for me.
And when I came back from thattrip, I was a little bit
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interested in astrology, but Ikept poking into it, and people
would say, Oh, you know, it'snot even really based on actual
things.
And I thought, oh, well, thatkind of blows my, I'm looking up
into the sky for a messagething that that I was feeling as
a kid.
And um, so I just let it go.
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But then somebody told me, Oh,do you know that there's there's
astrology from India that's theVedic astrology that's actually
based on the scientificobservational positions?
And I thought I said, Oh, I didnot know that.
Thank you so much for tellingme.
I'm in, because this wholeVedic thing really worked for
me, the whole all of thephilosophy, the yoga, the
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Vedanta, all the things I hadlearned.
I thought, okay, I'm going in.
So that was around 1996.
At the time, I had a friend whowas working for Sounds True
here in Colorado.
Back then in the late 90s,Tammy, who was the who's she's
still the runner of Sounds True.
She's the main lady.
Tammy would go around recordingthings on a tape player.
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That's how Sounds True started.
Uh, was Tammy recording?
Yeah.
And so my friend gave me thesetapes um that Tammy had recorded
at one of the very early uh uhVedic astrology conferences in
the US.
So I was listening to thesetapes of of Dr.
David Frawley.
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So I went out to the bookstoreand I bought his book, Astrology
of the Sears, late late 90s,right?
So we didn't have our YouTube,we didn't have our you know,
wild west of internet and all ofthat.
So I I bought that book, I readit hundreds of times to be
honest, just through the years,hundreds of times.
It's a great primer.
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And um I just repetitively readthat book and tried to just
catch all of those principles.
And that was my beginning.
And and now it's I don't knowhow many years later, 28 years
or so later, uh 27, 28, andwhich is weirdly a Saturn cycle,
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Maryland.
Saturn, Saturn is the Lord oftime amongst the planets.
So so backing up a little bit,you know, I've been doing this
for now decades, and I've gonethrough um, you know, just
trying to read books and figurethis out, having the basic early
software, um, doingcorrespondence courses, this so
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old-fashioned, um, gettingcertifications from a governing
body here in the US.
And, you know, I've it's beendecades here.
I'll go through deep dives intolearning and trying to study
with different teachers.
And right now I'm I'm in abreak from from that.
The last decade was was that Ifeel like now what I'm doing
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after all these decades, uh I Irealized recently I'm a guide.
I'm just a guide.
Like, and this is a very weird,esoteric lot of information
practice.
And really, I'm just anotherset of eyes for people.
I'm looking at their theirkarmic map and trying to say,
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hey, this is what your optionsare.
This is good, this could be thetiming of things.
So basically, I I'm I'mattempting to simplify and make
a very practical access so thatwe can all begin to understand
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this uh great tool that's anavigational tool in life.
So I've realized that I'm anavigator, other people are
navigators, and I'm just guidinguh people through um
understanding their chart.
Merilyn (09:18):
If you're not into this, it's easy to write off
this as sort of just woo-woo andjust guessing.
But the fact is, centuries formillennia..
Kerry (09:27):
Millennia, yeah.
Merilyn (09:28):
Humanity has guided themselves by the stars, you
know, the compass.
It's the way they, if they wentout on a ship on the ocean,
didn't they?
They're guided by the stars,and we're all intricately
linked, we're all part of thesame system, we're all looking
for guides.
So to have someone to interpretthat for us individually is
such a gift.
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So what tell me more about thisSaturn and time, and obviously,
time is this thing that we havea love and hate relationship,
and it can cause such stress onpeople.
I'm I'm aging, I'm getting it'stoo late, I'm running out of
time, all those sorts of things.
But you seem to have thisreally peaceful uh relationship
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with time, and you look at atimeline of someone's life and
you see the cycles, because it'snot linear, is it?
There's this circular pattern.
Can you that is such an openquestion, but can you share your
sort of perspective on timefrom your angle?
Kerry (10:32):
Actually, for the last four plus years, ever since
about December of 2020, I'vebeen really obsessed with time
and space.
Merilyn (10:42):
No way.
Kerry (10:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Because let's say, okay,there's two there's two planets
that that come up for me thatrepresent those two concepts.
The two furthest out planets wecan see with our eyes, Jupiter
and Saturn.
So Vedic astrology doesn't usefully the the outer planets we
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know as Pluto, Neptune, andUranus.
They just didn't havetelescopes and they were only
dealing with what they couldobserve.
So to for Vedic astrology, theouter planets are Jupiter and
Saturn.
And they they're a dual pair.
There's a duality there, whichbrings in the whole concept of
duality and life on Earth.
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And who are we and what are wedoing here?
Right.
On one hand, there's somethingin some of us that feel like,
oh, I'm connected, I'm actuallyconnected with Marilyn, even
though we haven't met in person,we've only spoken once.
I bet you that there'ssomething in you that says,
Yeah, I'm connected.
I mean, we're on the same,we're from the same fabric,
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we're all doing things like weall have a suspicion that we're
all connected and that that allis one.
A lot of religions even saythat at the same time.
I'm over here in Colorado,you're over there in Australia,
we're in different continents,different bags of skin,
different everything.
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And it seems like we'redifferent, two different things
living in different paths.
So duality is a big part, Ithink, of human experience on
the planet.
We so want to be independentindividuals, and at the same
time, we so we want to be withsomebody else.
We want to be seen, we want tobe connected all at the same
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time.
So Jupiter and Saturn, they hada conjunction in December of
2020.
And and I we had a lot of timeinside in 2020, if you can
remember.
So I got really obsessed withthe Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions
and realized that um I'm not thefirst person to have noticed
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that it's a thing.
And so I noticed that every 20years they're doing a
conjunction, and every 10 yearsthey're doing an opposition, and
there's an interesting danceand pattern that goes with
Jupiter and Saturn.
And Saturn is the ruler oftime.
The the key words of Saturn areum no and negativity and
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contraction and limitation.
His job is to remind us thatwe're all temporarily here.
Time, temporary, short time inthe big scheme.
So let's not waste time.
Let's do our karma, let's doour job that we're supposed to
do here and see how much we canget done in one lifetime.
Jupiter, on the other hand, isexpansive and positive.
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And yes, I like Jupiter.
I do too.
Everybody does.
Um he's the ruler of space.
Um, so there's there's an ideaof elements and rulership of
elements.
Some of the planets ruledifferent elements, and so
Jupiter's job is to rule space,the ethers.
So think about time and spaceand even how we use the words.
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Uh, time, there's always thiskind of finite quality to it.
I don't want to waste it, I'mlosing time, um, I don't have
much time.
We know that in the day there'sthis set amount of minutes.
We can't change that.
You know, some of the yogisknow that they can't change
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time, so they slow down theirbreath.
It's like they can controlthat, but they can't control the
time.
So there's finite, uh, it'skind of like, oh, I know that
it's gonna run out.
Even Saturn is is telling us,hey, you're not gonna be here
long.
Don't worry about it.
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Everybody's gonna forget aboutyou after you die.
Don't worry.
I mean, you're not Gandhi.
So on the other hand, it'scybering, isn't it?
Yeah, that's right.
It is, but it's also freeing,isn't it, though?
Like if we think, you knowwhat, I'm here as a practice,
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I'm here to express myself as anindividual, and I'm gonna do my
best.
And after I'm gone, it's kindof like a clean slate, you know,
it's it's a little bitliberating, I think.
Okay, so Jupiter rules space.
When we think about space, wesay words like boundless and
infinite and exploring, right?
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So this kind of feeling oflike, oh, it's never gonna end,
it's all there's so much, itjust ripples infinitely into the
whole universe.
So one duality, right?
Infinite space and limitedtime.
And here we are in these bodiestrying to navigate that.
On one hand, part of us knowsthis is so big and so big and
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unknowable and infinite.
And on the other hand, we thinkhurry, hurry, hurry, we gotta
get our stuff done.
We got to see the world, we gotto do all the things.
We don't have much time.
So that's us as humans tryingto navigate this time and space
fabric.
So that's what I've I've beenthinking about this for the last
four years with Jupiter andSaturn always creating this
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fabric for us that creates theastrological weather and the
patterns and whatnot.
So that's Saturn and Jupiter,and that's one of the dualities
that we experience.
And then going into just dailytimekeeping.
I was putting my watch on todayand I was thinking, oh, that's
that's so Saturn of me.
I'm actually wearing a watch.
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But when you think aboutastrology and the complication
and all the planets and thesigns and the houses, and I'm I
am trying to make it easier anddecode all of this, but it does
take a little bit of effort foreach one of us to try to
understand all these archetypesand the languaging, and but that
effort is also what turnsinformation into knowledge and
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information into wisdom, thatwork that we do with the data
and information on our birthchart.
We have to take it to a higherlevel.
Anyway, so those those um thewhole basis of astrology really
comes from the sun and the moon.
Those are the top two brightobjects in our sky.
They're the first two planetsin the list, and everybody that
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I know is aware that there's dayand night.
There's the other duality,light and dark.
Merilyn (17:31):
So they have a relationship to time as well.
We can't have time withoutduality, can we?
Kerry (17:38):
Not really.
I think it's part of the thesetup here as we as souls get
into these biological suits andcome down in here and experience
duality.
We're with our mother and we'rejust growing in a womb, and
then all of a sudden we'reseparate.
And that is the data point uhfor our astrological chart.
Merilyn (17:58):
What do you think is the source of the angst so much
around time and the fear thatsets in?
Kerry (18:05):
It's interesting that you're using all of Saturn
keywords.
Fear is one of Saturn'skeywords.
Merilyn (18:11):
Oh, isn't that interesting?
Kerry (18:13):
Yeah, and and pressure is another.
Oh, I'm pressed for time, I'msqueezed today, I don't have
enough time.
We don't say, we barely say Idon't have space for that.
Merilyn (18:30):
No, that's exactly right.
And if we do, that actuallyfeels like a more expansive
statement to make, isn't it?
Kerry (18:38):
Exactly.
Yeah, it's very positive.
Merilyn (18:40):
Fascinating, fascinating, yeah.
Kerry (18:42):
So actually, I think that uh Saturn energy or time is
tricky because one of the otherthings Saturn tends to do for us
is to remind us that, hey, youknow what?
As immortal souls encased inthis particular paradigm, we are
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under the illusion that we'reseparate, that we're limited,
that we don't have much time,right?
So that's the illusion.
But Saturn's job is also toremind us it's an illusion, it's
a Vedic belief system that thisworld is kind of like a play.
It's kind of not real in a way.
That said, I know this is real.
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I've got a heavy table here,and and I've got all my mortgage
payments and and all of that.
There's reality, yes, on acertain level.
But that what is the illusionis the separateness.
And that, yes, it's true, we'rein separate places, we're doing
this podcast.
But what's also true is thatwe're these immortal souls, not
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bound by time and space, justhaving this experience here in
the paradigm of duality, becauseas souls, we can't learn some
of the lessons that duality,pressure, time, disappointment,
all of the earthly things canteach us.
We can't learn that lesson whenwe're in some other reality
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where duality is not a bigtheme.
So, this feeling of time beinga lot of pressure and limited,
and we're gonna, you know, we'reaging and we're dying, and and
I don't want to let it go,right?
Like we want to hold on tolife.
It's a natural human function.
Maybe if we can wrap our mindsaround this idea that, okay,
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time is here as a part of thisenvironment to enhance and
emphasize the fact that there isduality, there is limitation,
there is an end to thisexperience.
Can we make friends with thatidea?
Can we have it feel likestructure instead of pressure?
Like as hungry little humans,we always want more of
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everything.
We want more time, we want morespace, we want more love, we
want more coffee, whatever.
There was a wise little part ofus that said, you know what,
okay, I get it.
There, there's this feeling oflike limitation.
Maybe rather than that beingsome sort of punishment or I'm
not gonna have enough, maybe Ican just say, okay, that's part
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of this paradigm.
I'm actually gonna use thislimitation as a structure to
help myself choose wisely whatI'll do today instead of feeling
guilty for wasting time, right?
Maybe there's a way I canrealize that I wasn't wasting
time today.
I was I was exploring time.
Maybe we bring in that Jupiter,right?
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The positive, theboundlessness.
Like, even though it's ironicbecause we feel limited in our
24 hours a day or our lifespanor whatever we have allotted to
us to do.
But if we could inject thatspaciousness into that, maybe
that's the answer.
Merilyn (21:58):
That's beautiful.
So we can kind of see it as acontainer rather than a lack.
Kerry (22:04):
Exactly.
Merilyn (22:05):
Yeah.
When you overlay a beliefsystem of lack compared to
abundance, that can where that'swhere our relationship with
time and space can go awry.
What would you suggest tosomeone who's saying, okay,
Carrie, they're listening tothese now and they're going,
okay, Carrie, that's all fineand dandy.
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But I'm feeling that lack.
How can I take what you've justshared with us and switch
something on the inside so thatI can experience from abundance
instead?
Kerry (22:38):
Well, it's funny because abundance is uh is a Jupiter
keyword.
Oh nice job.
So my feeling is when I'mtrying to look at a chart and
think about, oh, this planet'smore powerful, this planet's
getting more time at the table,this one isn't.
Like, we need to rebalancethings.
Like, what if I'm a personwho's got a lot of anger, a lot
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of fire, a lot of, you know, Ican channel that into a lot of
um productive things.
It could also be channeled intounproductive things, but it's
up to me in a way to tone downthat fire so that I don't burn
myself up or something likethat.
So the idea of how do we how dowe balance and modify when
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there's too much or too little?
This is this is what astrologyis really good for, especially
Vedic astrology.
There are remedies built in tothe whole system.
And some of the remedies comingfrom the traditions are are so
weird to us, like they don'treally make sense to our
culture.
So that's another thing I'mtrying to do is decode these
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remedies and translate them intodoable things for for us in our
modern culture.
Merilyn (23:51):
Can we have an example of one of those remedies?
Kerry (23:53):
Yeah, well, I was gonna use your your uh question as
one.
Merilyn (23:57):
Okay, great.
Kerry (23:58):
You know, let's say somebody's got a little too much
fear, a little too muchnegativity.
Um, this is too much Saturn.
What would balance out too muchSaturn?
Jupiter, right?
If we know that that Saturn iscontraction and limitation and
the opposite action is expansionand growth, then we need to add
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that in.
It's just like cooking, right?
If we're if we're making a soupand we've got too much this and
that in it, like we've got toadd the other thing and and make
the flavors blend and balanceand taste good.
So let's say that I'm feelingoverwhelmed with um too much
responsibility, too many thingsto do, not enough time, not
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enough money.
I feel like I don't have enoughjuice to give to the world.
That sounds like anoverabundance of Saturn, right?
And and that can make somebodydepressed, ill, a lot of things.
So let's let's balance it.
Let's add Jupiter in.
What does that look like?
Okay.
Well, I've got all these thingson my list of things to do.
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I don't have time today.
I've got 10 appointments andonly nine hours.
And what do I do?
What do I do?
I'm about to lose it.
It's Monday morning, right?
Um, what would Jupiter do?
Right?
Merilyn (25:14):
Jupiter doesn't have an excitement, isn't it?
What would Jupiter do WWJ D?
Kerry (25:21):
That's really funny.
What would Jupiter do?
Right, Jupiter would say, Allright, let's take a look at
this.
Okay, you've got these 10things on there.
These three look like theycould be done tomorrow.
Let's just call these threepeople and say, let's I I don't
have the energy today.
You know, Jupiter would findways to look at everything, step
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back, and and find the spacefor it.
And so you that's okay.
And so you could do this withany of the planets and any of
the thing, right?
Like, let's say somebody in thein their chart has uh they're
such a kind, loving, beautifulartist, strong Venus in the
chart.
Venus says yes to everything,Venus says I'll I'll do it.
It's okay.
Don't worry.
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People pleasing to the max, youright?
Like, what do you do to balancethat?
I would say maybe a little moreselfishness, a little bit more
sun.
Hey, you know what?
There's too much we here.
Let's do a little bit of me.
Let's let me step back from usand make sure I'm okay.
Right.
So in in that way, we could usea ton of examples.
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It's funny, Saturn, the planet,um, does very well in the sign
of Libra.
We call it exalted.
It's exalted.
So it does its best work inLibra.
What uh what is the symbol forLibra?
It's a scales, balance, right?
So that feeling of um trying tooutweigh, outweigh the heavy,
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right?
So how do we do that?
Uh God, I mean, there's a tonof ways.
Jupiter, Jupiter versus Saturnalso, like Saturn is very
responsible.
It's the it's the fiber in usthat says, you know, I can't, I
have to get up today.
I have got to do this.
I've got, I told this person Iwould be there for them.
Um, some of us have thosefibers, that strong Saturn
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responsibility.
That's good, that's valuable.
It's never too much whensomebody shows up for what they
said they were gonna do.
Like that's a positivefunctioning Saturn, right?
Um, so I I'm I'm kind ofbringing this up because we
don't always want to paint himas a bad guy, right?
He does create that structure,he does create rhythm.
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That's the other thing abouttime.
There's rhythm to it.
As human beings, rhythm, we allfeel better actually when we
have a rhythm and when we getinto that rhythm.
And even if it's not fast, it'sjust slow and steady.
Saturn's happy.
And I know you've had the thefeeling of subjective time.
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Time flies and time drags,another duality, you know, and
and we all feel in our culture,everything is so fast and so
scheduled and so on time that itis it does feel like anxiety
sometimes if I miss a beat andI'm late and I'm not showing up
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for my thing.
Um, it's a lot.
It it we lose it when thathappens.
But if we could step back andsay, oh, actually, what if we
didn't have that rhythm?
What if we didn't have aschedule?
Could we actually produce?
Could we actually show up likewe do?
So can we find a betterrelationship with this feeling
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of of time?
Can I actually slow time down?
I know a way.
Meditate.
You sit down to meditate.
Oh my gosh, you're fidgetingwithin two minutes, guaranteed.
So suddenly time is completelyslowed down.
You're creating your Jupitersaying, you know what?
We need to get with ourselveshere.
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Let's let's create space inthis time.
Let's just stop.
Most people can't meditate forlong.
I mean, really does stretchtime.
I mean, it makes time torturousfor some people.
So, do we have control of it ina way?
I think we do.
And sometimes it goes fasterand sometimes it goes slower.
I think depending upon ourstate of mind, the actions we're
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doing.
Merilyn (29:30):
Do you think we can speed up time?
Like accelerate, compress.
And I think when people saythat, they'll say, What they're
really asking for is how can Ibring what I desire into my life
quicker?
Kerry (29:44):
Yeah, we probably can speed up time.
I think we do it all the timewith our distraction.
You know, all of a sudden we'rewatching reels on Facebook and
it's 45 minutes later and weshould have been in bed an hour
ago, right?
So we can speed up time veryquickly with distraction.
So that that's an interestingthing.
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Maybe our attention and maybeour presence in the moment,
right now, is really the the waywe control time.
Because think about it, when wemeditate or we're really right
here, it does slow down time.
But when we let our attentionrun off, time goes fast.
So if we wanted to hurry up andget to uh, you know, six months
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ahead of in our schedule,because that looks better, like
if you ever then what do we do?
You know, maybe we justdistract ourselves with uh binge
watching or something for sixmonths until we get there.
I'm just teasing, I don't thinkthat's uh really the way, but
but would we want to?
Would we want to speed up time?
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Probably not.
Merilyn (30:48):
So let's change tack a bit.
How does the work you do, howis it that it's so accurate in
the timeline of our lives?
Kerry (31:00):
I still would love to know that.
Merilyn (31:04):
One of those big mystery questions.
Kerry (31:08):
Yeah, I mean, there's there's a part of me, I would
say that little scientist that Inever really became, um, that
wanted the stars to match upwith the the computer program.
You know, there's still thepart of me that that is says
this is a mystery, and I don'treally understand it all.
I don't really have all theanswers, but yet it seems
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accurate.
I can't, you know, and the thethe reading of these timelines,
Vedic astrology just has beenhoned for thousands of years and
practiced and recorded andinterpreted.
And the people who who aredoing it individually modern
times, we're all doing itdifferently, weirdly.
(31:53):
India has so many, so muchdiversity within one country.
There are multiple lineages ofAyurveda, yoga, jyotish, which
is the Vedic astrology.
Um, there are sutras, there areold texts that have been have
codified this information.
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They're so old, but they're sotrue.
The golden thread that runsthrough them is golden.
And now, as our as wemodernize, we keep
reinterpreting these ancientthings.
And I still don't really haveproof for any of this.
It's just, it does seem to workand it does seem to help.
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I mean, quite honestly, itwould have been easier for me to
just say, Yeah, I'm a doctor.
Come into my office, what'sgoing on?
It's it was it's much moresocially acceptable in my
culture.
It would have, it would havebeen a no-brainer.
My dad was a doctor, I wouldhave been great at it.
My parents were good atdiagnosing things.
My mom was a nurse.
That was like their one overlapwas medicine.
(32:58):
And I find that I might have alittle bit of their diagnostic
magic in me as I interpret thesecharts.
And I don't know really how itworks or why.
But if we take our birth asthat data point of me as a soul
introducing myself to the worldas a separate entity, and that's
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the timeline.
Every single moment, right thisminute, there's a quality of
time.
Saturn is somewhere, Jupiter issomewhere, the moon is doing
something, and that combinationis creating this moment in time.
But when we separate from ourmom, time doesn't stop.
The planets keep doing theirthing, and it's like this big
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energetic dance is going on, andwe're a part of it.
And so our emergence at thatmoment seems to have a
trajectory.
The geniuses who haveinterpreted these uh charts for
thousands of years and seenpatterns and have passed that
knowledge on have helped us tokeep reading the flow of time.
(34:03):
Maybe it is that that partly umI'm letting myself dive into
somebody's chart and theirtimeline and really get into it
and lose myself a little bit.
And that's why I'm able toreally uh guess what may have
happened during certain times.
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So yeah, I wish I knew how itworked.
I mean, I really don't.
When I'm reading thosetimelines for people, it's
surprising.
People think, oh my God, howdid she know that?
She doesn't even know me.
And I am just reading the theI'm just reading it.
You know, when I go to thedoctor and they're reading my
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test results and they're kind ofthis and that, I see myself.
It's the same exact thing.
And I'm interpreting that is sodifferent numbers.
The thing is, like when I'mlooking at a chart and I say,
Oh, your rising sign is this,we've got 12 signs in the
zodiac, and that was anarbitrary earthbound looking out
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at the expansive boundlessness,and which is Jupiter, right?
Space.
And we're saying in a verySaturn way, hey, let's draw
lines on this and divide it intosections, right?
So even astrology is that sortof like boundlessness, but also
uh sectional, sectionalboundlessness.
(35:26):
So we we have done astrologyfrom our perspective, and I
think it's fun to think aboutlike, well, what if we lived on
a different planet?
It would be a totally differentastrology.
Of course it would.
Of course it would, yeah, yeah.
We would be totally differentbeings.
Maybe we wouldn't need guideson that planet.
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Maybe as these dualityuh-seeking um students that we
are, this is just the classroom,boundlessness divided into
sections.
Wow.
And so I start reading thattimeline for people, and I'm
looking at them in some cases,maybe they've told me a few
things enough to give me an ideaof what may have happened
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during those sections of theirtime.
And honestly, like my advice topeople if you're getting into
astrology is start watching thesky.
Notice the sun, how it shiftsfrom north to south for the
seasons.
Keep get get on the lunarcycle, watch it wax and wane.
Um, just just start payingattention.
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The the practice that I do isin Sanskrit the word is jyotish,
jyotish.
Jyoti means light, jyotishmeans the study of light.
Really?
Yeah, that's all this is.
And like my job is just to giveyou a little more light and
another set of eyes, and that'sanother thing.
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In in the Vedas, Veda meansknowledge.
So we have a lot of knowledgethat comes from India.
Um, when you start looking intothis, there's six limbs of of
the Vedas, six uh differentstudies that are associated with
sense organs.
Jyotish is the eyes, the eyesof the Vedas.
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So this whole um practice isreally just trying to raise
awareness about who I am, whatwhat am I doing here, and that's
it.
Merilyn (37:31):
Bringing light to our lives.
Kerry (37:34):
Yeah.
Just another set of eyes.
Merilyn (37:37):
Is there anything else that we have that hasn't come up
that's on your heart to share?
Kerry (37:40):
Well, I I really think this idea of making friends with
with time and Saturn is reallyimportant.
Saturn tends to be um, like forpeople who start understanding
the archetypes and knowing alittle bit about astrology,
Saturn tends to be the big badguy, the one who says, you know,
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your time is done, and you'vegot this to do, and I'm
pressuring you, and it's noteasy energy to deal with.
But I feel like when we canblend and balance that
Jupiter-Saturn energy, that'swhen we find our road to growth
and peace and stability and andjust happiness.
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Like when we're not fightingSaturn, and we're not fighting
Jupiter, it's like they all haveto be happy.
We have to nod our head andsay, okay, it's true.
I've only got these 24 hourstoday.
And it's my responsibility touse the this time the best way I
can for me.
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And when we can take thatpressure off of ourselves, I
think we've stepped a little bitcloser to peace.
Merilyn (38:54):
What a great place to end.
Thank you so much, Kerry.
This has been.
I feel time slowing down as I'mtalking to you.
It feels
Kerry (39:03):
Oh, good.
Good, good, good.
Merilyn (39:05):
Thank you.
Kerry (39:06):
You're so welcome, Merilyn.
I really enjoyed talking toyour conversation with you, is
is so fun.
Well, hello there.
Welcome or welcome back to thismini-series on time, where I'm
going all around the world itseems, exploring different
opinions and thoughts about ourrelationship with time.
Today's guest is KerryShamblin.
Kerry (00:16):
Infinite space and limited time.
And here we are in these bodiestrying to navigate that.
On one hand, part of us knowsthis is so big and so big and
unknowable and infinite.
And on the other hand, wethink, hurry, hurry, hurry, we
gotta get our stuff done.
We gotta see the world.
We gotta do all the things.
We don't have much time.
Merilyn (00:37):
Kerry is a professional vedic astrologer with the love
of the stars and the planets.
With a deep desire to helppeople create health, enjoy,
understanding and peace in theirlives through the work that she
does.
Honestly, this is such afascinating conversation.
And we chat about how ourunderstanding of time and space
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can reduce things like stressand time pressure.
So let's go.
Hi Kerry, welcome to the show.
Kerry (01:07):
Thank you, Merilyn.
I'm so happy to be here.
Thank you so much for invitingme.
Merilyn (01:11):
I wanted to bring along your can I say your galaxy of
your galaxy of genius into thisconversation.
But before we do that, can youintroduce yourself to people
who've probably never heard ofyou before?
Kerry (01:31):
Probably not.
I I hide pretty well.
Um I'm Kerry Shamblin.
I live in the US, in Colorado.
I'm a mountain person who livesup in uh a beautiful place.
Um I'm in Estes Park, Colorado.
My main gig in life is I'm aVedic astrologer coming from the
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amazing culture of India who'swho has has fostered and kept
this amazing practice alive.
Merilyn (01:59):
And what fascinated you about in particular Vedic
astrology?
Kerry (02:05):
As a kid, I I was a little bit obsessed with the
night sky.
I mean, I can remember beingoutside in the summertime,
looking up at the stars, and youknow, I'm from I'm from
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
It's more in the east part ofthe US.
Just a normal, great family.
My dad was a doctor, mom was anurse, um, good life, good life
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growing up.
But I will I always had thiskind of different way of looking
at everything.
As a kiddo, I looked up in thesky a lot and and looked at the
stars, and it seemed like therewas way more behind all of it
than they were telling me.
And I was aware that there wasastrology horoscopes in a paper,
like in the newspaper.
I'm that old.
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We had newspapers.
So I would look at thesehoroscopes.
I knew that my, you know, mysign was this and that.
And that was that was about it.
But I was always reallyfascinated with the sky and the
stars and the beyond, the bigspace.
Fast forward, um, I sort oftook off from home, great home
life growing up.
(03:09):
Um, but I was a veryadventurous kid who from age six
had calculated that I had twomore lifetimes until I could
leave and go out on my own.
I I ended up um as a19-year-old coming to here in
Colorado for for the summer withmy friends.
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And after a couple weeks, Irealized, oh, this is my place.
So I ended up staying here inColorado and friends went back
to college.
One day I wandered into aslideshow about Nepal that a guy
was giving because um I had aboyfriend who he was my first
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love, and we had come toColorado together, but then he
had gone and broke my heart.
What a great guy to break myheart.
Uh, still friends with him.
Don't worry, I'm still friendswith him uh after these 30
years.
Um, but he ended up going toNepal.
And so I was curious about thisplace that was that was more
alluring than me.
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So so I came into theslideshow, and this guy um was
living in Boulder, and uheverybody knows him, his name's
Narayan, and he was doing thesehumanitarian projects in his
village in Nepal.
So I was very touched, and Iended up um saying, Can I help
you?
And so I ended up working forhim and his little shop and
(04:39):
business, and uh I went andlived with his parents in Nepal.
It was an amazing experiencethat ended up being my college,
didn't uh end up staying for toolong because of visa problems.
Visa problems sent me to Indiabecause I wasn't ready to come
back to the US.
(04:59):
So I went to India and longstory short, I spent a month at
an ashram learning Vedic basicsfrom a Swami guy.
And he was a very good teacher.
His English was great, and itjust laid a foundation for me.
And when I came back from thattrip, I was a little bit
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interested in astrology, but Ikept poking into it, and people
would say, Oh, you know, it'snot even really based on actual
things.
And I thought, oh, well, thatkind of blows my, I'm looking up
into the sky for a messagething that that I was feeling as
a kid.
And um, so I just let it go.
(05:44):
But then somebody told me, Oh,do you know that there's there's
astrology from India that's theVedic astrology that's actually
based on the scientificobservational positions?
And I thought I said, Oh, I didnot know that.
Thank you so much for tellingme.
I'm in, because this wholeVedic thing really worked for
me, the whole all of thephilosophy, the yoga, the
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Vedanta, all the things I hadlearned.
I thought, okay, I'm going in.
So that was around 1996.
At the time, I had a friend whowas working for Sounds True
here in Colorado.
Back then in the late 90s,Tammy, who was the who's she's
still the runner of Sounds True.
She's the main lady.
Tammy would go around recordingthings on a tape player.
(06:28):
That's how Sounds True started.
Uh, was Tammy recording?
Yeah.
And so my friend gave me thesetapes um that Tammy had recorded
at one of the very early uh uhVedic astrology conferences in
the US.
So I was listening to thesetapes of of Dr.
David Frawley.
(06:49):
So I went out to the bookstoreand I bought his book, Astrology
of the Sears, late late 90s,right?
So we didn't have our YouTube,we didn't have our you know,
wild west of internet and all ofthat.
So I I bought that book, I readit hundreds of times to be
honest, just through the years,hundreds of times.
It's a great primer.
(07:09):
And um I just repetitively readthat book and tried to just
catch all of those principles.
And that was my beginning.
And and now it's I don't knowhow many years later, 28 years
or so later, uh 27, 28, andwhich is weirdly a Saturn cycle,
(07:32):
Maryland.
Saturn, Saturn is the Lord oftime amongst the planets.
So so backing up a little bit,you know, I've been doing this
for now decades, and I've gonethrough um, you know, just
trying to read books and figurethis out, having the basic early
software, um, doingcorrespondence courses, this so
(07:56):
old-fashioned, um, gettingcertifications from a governing
body here in the US.
And, you know, I've it's beendecades here.
I'll go through deep dives intolearning and trying to study
with different teachers.
And right now I'm I'm in abreak from from that.
The last decade was was that Ifeel like now what I'm doing
(08:18):
after all these decades, uh I Irealized recently I'm a guide.
I'm just a guide.
Like, and this is a very weird,esoteric lot of information
practice.
And really, I'm just anotherset of eyes for people.
I'm looking at their theirkarmic map and trying to say,
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hey, this is what your optionsare.
This is good, this could be thetiming of things.
So basically, I I'm I'mattempting to simplify and make
a very practical access so thatwe can all begin to understand
(09:03):
this uh great tool that's anavigational tool in life.
So I've realized that I'm anavigator, other people are
navigators, and I'm just guidinguh people through um
understanding their chart.
Merilyn (09:18):
If you're not into this, it's easy to write off
this as sort of just woo-woo andjust guessing.
But the fact is, centuries formillennia..
Kerry (09:27):
Millennia, yeah.
Merilyn (09:28):
Humanity has guided themselves by the stars, you
know, the compass.
It's the way they, if they wentout on a ship on the ocean,
didn't they?
They're guided by the stars,and we're all intricately
linked, we're all part of thesame system, we're all looking
for guides.
So to have someone to interpretthat for us individually is
such a gift.
(09:48):
So what tell me more about thisSaturn and time, and obviously,
time is this thing that we havea love and hate relationship,
and it can cause such stress onpeople.
I'm I'm aging, I'm getting it'stoo late, I'm running out of
time, all those sorts of things.
But you seem to have thisreally peaceful uh relationship
(10:11):
with time, and you look at atimeline of someone's life and
you see the cycles, because it'snot linear, is it?
There's this circular pattern.
Can you that is such an openquestion, but can you share your
sort of perspective on timefrom your angle?
Kerry (10:32):
Actually, for the last four plus years, ever since
about December of 2020, I'vebeen really obsessed with time
and space.
Merilyn (10:42):
No way.
Kerry (10:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Because let's say, okay,there's two there's two planets
that that come up for me thatrepresent those two concepts.
The two furthest out planets wecan see with our eyes, Jupiter
and Saturn.
So Vedic astrology doesn't usefully the the outer planets we
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know as Pluto, Neptune, andUranus.
They just didn't havetelescopes and they were only
dealing with what they couldobserve.
So to for Vedic astrology, theouter planets are Jupiter and
Saturn.
And they they're a dual pair.
There's a duality there, whichbrings in the whole concept of
duality and life on Earth.
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And who are we and what are wedoing here?
Right.
On one hand, there's somethingin some of us that feel like,
oh, I'm connected, I'm actuallyconnected with Marilyn, even
though we haven't met in person,we've only spoken once.
I bet you that there'ssomething in you that says,
Yeah, I'm connected.
I mean, we're on the same,we're from the same fabric,
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we're all doing things like weall have a suspicion that we're
all connected and that that allis one.
A lot of religions even saythat at the same time.
I'm over here in Colorado,you're over there in Australia,
we're in different continents,different bags of skin,
different everything.
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And it seems like we'redifferent, two different things
living in different paths.
So duality is a big part, Ithink, of human experience on
the planet.
We so want to be independentindividuals, and at the same
time, we so we want to be withsomebody else.
We want to be seen, we want tobe connected all at the same
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time.
So Jupiter and Saturn, they hada conjunction in December of
2020.
And and I we had a lot of timeinside in 2020, if you can
remember.
So I got really obsessed withthe Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions
and realized that um I'm not thefirst person to have noticed
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that it's a thing.
And so I noticed that every 20years they're doing a
conjunction, and every 10 yearsthey're doing an opposition, and
there's an interesting danceand pattern that goes with
Jupiter and Saturn.
And Saturn is the ruler oftime.
The the key words of Saturn areum no and negativity and
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contraction and limitation.
His job is to remind us thatwe're all temporarily here.
Time, temporary, short time inthe big scheme.
So let's not waste time.
Let's do our karma, let's doour job that we're supposed to
do here and see how much we canget done in one lifetime.
Jupiter, on the other hand, isexpansive and positive.
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And yes, I like Jupiter.
I do too.
Everybody does.
Um he's the ruler of space.
Um, so there's there's an ideaof elements and rulership of
elements.
Some of the planets ruledifferent elements, and so
Jupiter's job is to rule space,the ethers.
So think about time and spaceand even how we use the words.
(14:03):
Uh, time, there's always thiskind of finite quality to it.
I don't want to waste it, I'mlosing time, um, I don't have
much time.
We know that in the day there'sthis set amount of minutes.
We can't change that.
You know, some of the yogisknow that they can't change
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time, so they slow down theirbreath.
It's like they can controlthat, but they can't control the
time.
So there's finite, uh, it'skind of like, oh, I know that
it's gonna run out.
Even Saturn is is telling us,hey, you're not gonna be here
long.
Don't worry about it.
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Everybody's gonna forget aboutyou after you die.
Don't worry.
I mean, you're not Gandhi.
So on the other hand, it'scybering, isn't it?
Yeah, that's right.
It is, but it's also freeing,isn't it, though?
Like if we think, you knowwhat, I'm here as a practice,
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I'm here to express myself as anindividual, and I'm gonna do my
best.
And after I'm gone, it's kindof like a clean slate, you know,
it's it's a little bitliberating, I think.
Okay, so Jupiter rules space.
When we think about space, wesay words like boundless and
infinite and exploring, right?
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So this kind of feeling oflike, oh, it's never gonna end,
it's all there's so much, itjust ripples infinitely into the
whole universe.
So one duality, right?
Infinite space and limitedtime.
And here we are in these bodiestrying to navigate that.
On one hand, part of us knowsthis is so big and so big and
(15:55):
unknowable and infinite.
And on the other hand, we thinkhurry, hurry, hurry, we gotta
get our stuff done.
We got to see the world, we gotto do all the things.
We don't have much time.
So that's us as humans tryingto navigate this time and space
fabric.
So that's what I've I've beenthinking about this for the last
four years with Jupiter andSaturn always creating this
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fabric for us that creates theastrological weather and the
patterns and whatnot.
So that's Saturn and Jupiter,and that's one of the dualities
that we experience.
And then going into just dailytimekeeping.
I was putting my watch on todayand I was thinking, oh, that's
that's so Saturn of me.
I'm actually wearing a watch.
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But when you think aboutastrology and the complication
and all the planets and thesigns and the houses, and I'm I
am trying to make it easier anddecode all of this, but it does
take a little bit of effort foreach one of us to try to
understand all these archetypesand the languaging, and but that
effort is also what turnsinformation into knowledge and
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information into wisdom, thatwork that we do with the data
and information on our birthchart.
We have to take it to a higherlevel.
Anyway, so those those um thewhole basis of astrology really
comes from the sun and the moon.
Those are the top two brightobjects in our sky.
They're the first two planetsin the list, and everybody that
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I know is aware that there's dayand night.
There's the other duality,light and dark.
Merilyn (17:31):
So they have a relationship to time as well.
We can't have time withoutduality, can we?
Kerry (17:38):
Not really.
I think it's part of the thesetup here as we as souls get
into these biological suits andcome down in here and experience
duality.
We're with our mother and we'rejust growing in a womb, and
then all of a sudden we'reseparate.
And that is the data point uhfor our astrological chart.
Merilyn (17:58):
What do you think is the source of the angst so much
around time and the fear thatsets in?
Kerry (18:05):
It's interesting that you're using all of Saturn
keywords.
Fear is one of Saturn'skeywords.
Merilyn (18:11):
Oh, isn't that interesting?
Kerry (18:13):
Yeah, and and pressure is another.
Oh, I'm pressed for time, I'msqueezed today, I don't have
enough time.
We don't say, we barely say Idon't have space for that.
Merilyn (18:30):
No, that's exactly right.
And if we do, that actuallyfeels like a more expansive
statement to make, isn't it?
Kerry (18:38):
Exactly.
Yeah, it's very positive.
Merilyn (18:40):
Fascinating, fascinating, yeah.
Kerry (18:42):
So actually, I think that uh Saturn energy or time is
tricky because one of the otherthings Saturn tends to do for us
is to remind us that, hey, youknow what?
As immortal souls encased inthis particular paradigm, we are
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under the illusion that we'reseparate, that we're limited,
that we don't have much time,right?
So that's the illusion.
But Saturn's job is also toremind us it's an illusion, it's
a Vedic belief system that thisworld is kind of like a play.
It's kind of not real in a way.
That said, I know this is real.
(19:25):
I've got a heavy table here,and and I've got all my mortgage
payments and and all of that.
There's reality, yes, on acertain level.
But that what is the illusionis the separateness.
And that, yes, it's true, we'rein separate places, we're doing
this podcast.
But what's also true is thatwe're these immortal souls, not
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bound by time and space, justhaving this experience here in
the paradigm of duality, becauseas souls, we can't learn some
of the lessons that duality,pressure, time, disappointment,
all of the earthly things canteach us.
We can't learn that lesson whenwe're in some other reality
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where duality is not a bigtheme.
So, this feeling of time beinga lot of pressure and limited,
and we're gonna, you know, we'reaging and we're dying, and and
I don't want to let it go,right?
Like we want to hold on tolife.
It's a natural human function.
Maybe if we can wrap our mindsaround this idea that, okay,
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time is here as a part of thisenvironment to enhance and
emphasize the fact that there isduality, there is limitation,
there is an end to thisexperience.
Can we make friends with thatidea?
Can we have it feel likestructure instead of pressure?
Like as hungry little humans,we always want more of
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everything.
We want more time, we want morespace, we want more love, we
want more coffee, whatever.
There was a wise little part ofus that said, you know what,
okay, I get it.
There, there's this feeling oflike limitation.
Maybe rather than that beingsome sort of punishment or I'm
not gonna have enough, maybe Ican just say, okay, that's part
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of this paradigm.
I'm actually gonna use thislimitation as a structure to
help myself choose wisely whatI'll do today instead of feeling
guilty for wasting time, right?
Maybe there's a way I canrealize that I wasn't wasting
time today.
I was I was exploring time.
Maybe we bring in that Jupiter,right?
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The positive, theboundlessness.
Like, even though it's ironicbecause we feel limited in our
24 hours a day or our lifespanor whatever we have allotted to
us to do.
But if we could inject thatspaciousness into that, maybe
that's the answer.
Merilyn (21:58):
That's beautiful.
So we can kind of see it as acontainer rather than a lack.
Kerry (22:04):
Exactly.
Merilyn (22:05):
Yeah.
When you overlay a beliefsystem of lack compared to
abundance, that can where that'swhere our relationship with
time and space can go awry.
What would you suggest tosomeone who's saying, okay,
Carrie, they're listening tothese now and they're going,
okay, Carrie, that's all fineand dandy.
(22:26):
But I'm feeling that lack.
How can I take what you've justshared with us and switch
something on the inside so thatI can experience from abundance
instead?
Kerry (22:38):
Well, it's funny because abundance is uh is a Jupiter
keyword.
Oh nice job.
So my feeling is when I'mtrying to look at a chart and
think about, oh, this planet'smore powerful, this planet's
getting more time at the table,this one isn't.
Like, we need to rebalancethings.
Like, what if I'm a personwho's got a lot of anger, a lot
(23:00):
of fire, a lot of, you know, Ican channel that into a lot of
um productive things.
It could also be channeled intounproductive things, but it's
up to me in a way to tone downthat fire so that I don't burn
myself up or something likethat.
So the idea of how do we how dowe balance and modify when
(23:23):
there's too much or too little?
This is this is what astrologyis really good for, especially
Vedic astrology.
There are remedies built in tothe whole system.
And some of the remedies comingfrom the traditions are are so
weird to us, like they don'treally make sense to our
culture.
So that's another thing I'mtrying to do is decode these
(23:44):
remedies and translate them intodoable things for for us in our
modern culture.
Merilyn (23:51):
Can we have an example of one of those remedies?
Kerry (23:53):
Yeah, well, I was gonna use your your uh question as
one.
Merilyn (23:57):
Okay, great.
Kerry (23:58):
You know, let's say somebody's got a little too much
fear, a little too muchnegativity.
Um, this is too much Saturn.
What would balance out too muchSaturn?
Jupiter, right?
If we know that that Saturn iscontraction and limitation and
the opposite action is expansionand growth, then we need to add
(24:18):
that in.
It's just like cooking, right?
If we're if we're making a soupand we've got too much this and
that in it, like we've got toadd the other thing and and make
the flavors blend and balanceand taste good.
So let's say that I'm feelingoverwhelmed with um too much
responsibility, too many thingsto do, not enough time, not
(24:39):
enough money.
I feel like I don't have enoughjuice to give to the world.
That sounds like anoverabundance of Saturn, right?
And and that can make somebodydepressed, ill, a lot of things.
So let's let's balance it.
Let's add Jupiter in.
What does that look like?
Okay.
Well, I've got all these thingson my list of things to do.
(24:59):
I don't have time today.
I've got 10 appointments andonly nine hours.
And what do I do?
What do I do?
I'm about to lose it.
It's Monday morning, right?
Um, what would Jupiter do?
Right?
Merilyn (25:14):
Jupiter doesn't have an excitement, isn't it?
What would Jupiter do WWJ D?
Kerry (25:21):
That's really funny.
What would Jupiter do?
Right, Jupiter would say, Allright, let's take a look at
this.
Okay, you've got these 10things on there.
These three look like theycould be done tomorrow.
Let's just call these threepeople and say, let's I I don't
have the energy today.
You know, Jupiter would findways to look at everything, step
(25:42):
back, and and find the spacefor it.
And so you that's okay.
And so you could do this withany of the planets and any of
the thing, right?
Like, let's say somebody in thein their chart has uh they're
such a kind, loving, beautifulartist, strong Venus in the
chart.
Venus says yes to everything,Venus says I'll I'll do it.
It's okay.
Don't worry.
(26:02):
People pleasing to the max, youright?
Like, what do you do to balancethat?
I would say maybe a little moreselfishness, a little bit more
sun.
Hey, you know what?
There's too much we here.
Let's do a little bit of me.
Let's let me step back from usand make sure I'm okay.
Right.
So in in that way, we could usea ton of examples.
(26:27):
It's funny, Saturn, the planet,um, does very well in the sign
of Libra.
We call it exalted.
It's exalted.
So it does its best work inLibra.
What uh what is the symbol forLibra?
It's a scales, balance, right?
So that feeling of um trying tooutweigh, outweigh the heavy,
(26:51):
right?
So how do we do that?
Uh God, I mean, there's a tonof ways.
Jupiter, Jupiter versus Saturnalso, like Saturn is very
responsible.
It's the it's the fiber in usthat says, you know, I can't, I
have to get up today.
I have got to do this.
I've got, I told this person Iwould be there for them.
Um, some of us have thosefibers, that strong Saturn
(27:13):
responsibility.
That's good, that's valuable.
It's never too much whensomebody shows up for what they
said they were gonna do.
Like that's a positivefunctioning Saturn, right?
Um, so I I'm I'm kind ofbringing this up because we
don't always want to paint himas a bad guy, right?
He does create that structure,he does create rhythm.
(27:36):
That's the other thing abouttime.
There's rhythm to it.
As human beings, rhythm, we allfeel better actually when we
have a rhythm and when we getinto that rhythm.
And even if it's not fast, it'sjust slow and steady.
Saturn's happy.
And I know you've had the thefeeling of subjective time.
(27:59):
Time flies and time drags,another duality, you know, and
and we all feel in our culture,everything is so fast and so
scheduled and so on time that itis it does feel like anxiety
sometimes if I miss a beat andI'm late and I'm not showing up
(28:24):
for my thing.
Um, it's a lot.
It it we lose it when thathappens.
But if we could step back andsay, oh, actually, what if we
didn't have that rhythm?
What if we didn't have aschedule?
Could we actually produce?
Could we actually show up likewe do?
So can we find a betterrelationship with this feeling
(28:47):
of of time?
Can I actually slow time down?
I know a way.
Meditate.
You sit down to meditate.
Oh my gosh, you're fidgetingwithin two minutes, guaranteed.
So suddenly time is completelyslowed down.
You're creating your Jupitersaying, you know what?
We need to get with ourselveshere.
(29:08):
Let's let's create space inthis time.
Let's just stop.
Most people can't meditate forlong.
I mean, really does stretchtime.
I mean, it makes time torturousfor some people.
So, do we have control of it ina way?
I think we do.
And sometimes it goes fasterand sometimes it goes slower.
I think depending upon ourstate of mind, the actions we're
(29:29):
doing.
Merilyn (29:30):
Do you think we can speed up time?
Like accelerate, compress.
And I think when people saythat, they'll say, What they're
really asking for is how can Ibring what I desire into my life
quicker?
Kerry (29:44):
Yeah, we probably can speed up time.
I think we do it all the timewith our distraction.
You know, all of a sudden we'rewatching reels on Facebook and
it's 45 minutes later and weshould have been in bed an hour
ago, right?
So we can speed up time veryquickly with distraction.
So that that's an interestingthing.
(30:05):
Maybe our attention and maybeour presence in the moment,
right now, is really the the waywe control time.
Because think about it, when wemeditate or we're really right
here, it does slow down time.
But when we let our attentionrun off, time goes fast.
So if we wanted to hurry up andget to uh, you know, six months
(30:26):
ahead of in our schedule,because that looks better, like
if you ever then what do we do?
You know, maybe we justdistract ourselves with uh binge
watching or something for sixmonths until we get there.
I'm just teasing, I don't thinkthat's uh really the way, but
but would we want to?
Would we want to speed up time?
(30:47):
Probably not.
Merilyn (30:48):
So let's change tack a bit.
How does the work you do, howis it that it's so accurate in
the timeline of our lives?
Kerry (31:00):
I still would love to know that.
Merilyn (31:04):
One of those big mystery questions.
Kerry (31:08):
Yeah, I mean, there's there's a part of me, I would
say that little scientist that Inever really became, um, that
wanted the stars to match upwith the the computer program.
You know, there's still thepart of me that that is says
this is a mystery, and I don'treally understand it all.
I don't really have all theanswers, but yet it seems
(31:29):
accurate.
I can't, you know, and the thethe reading of these timelines,
Vedic astrology just has beenhoned for thousands of years and
practiced and recorded andinterpreted.
And the people who who aredoing it individually modern
times, we're all doing itdifferently, weirdly.
(31:53):
India has so many, so muchdiversity within one country.
There are multiple lineages ofAyurveda, yoga, jyotish, which
is the Vedic astrology.
Um, there are sutras, there areold texts that have been have
codified this information.
(32:14):
They're so old, but they're sotrue.
The golden thread that runsthrough them is golden.
And now, as our as wemodernize, we keep
reinterpreting these ancientthings.
And I still don't really haveproof for any of this.
It's just, it does seem to workand it does seem to help.
(32:36):
I mean, quite honestly, itwould have been easier for me to
just say, Yeah, I'm a doctor.
Come into my office, what'sgoing on?
It's it was it's much moresocially acceptable in my
culture.
It would have, it would havebeen a no-brainer.
My dad was a doctor, I wouldhave been great at it.
My parents were good atdiagnosing things.
My mom was a nurse.
That was like their one overlapwas medicine.
(32:58):
And I find that I might have alittle bit of their diagnostic
magic in me as I interpret thesecharts.
And I don't know really how itworks or why.
But if we take our birth asthat data point of me as a soul
introducing myself to the worldas a separate entity, and that's
(33:19):
the timeline.
Every single moment, right thisminute, there's a quality of
time.
Saturn is somewhere, Jupiter issomewhere, the moon is doing
something, and that combinationis creating this moment in time.
But when we separate from ourmom, time doesn't stop.
The planets keep doing theirthing, and it's like this big
(33:40):
energetic dance is going on, andwe're a part of it.
And so our emergence at thatmoment seems to have a
trajectory.
The geniuses who haveinterpreted these uh charts for
thousands of years and seenpatterns and have passed that
knowledge on have helped us tokeep reading the flow of time.
(34:03):
Maybe it is that that partly umI'm letting myself dive into
somebody's chart and theirtimeline and really get into it
and lose myself a little bit.
And that's why I'm able toreally uh guess what may have
happened during certain times.
(34:23):
So yeah, I wish I knew how itworked.
I mean, I really don't.
When I'm reading thosetimelines for people, it's
surprising.
People think, oh my God, howdid she know that?
She doesn't even know me.
And I am just reading the theI'm just reading it.
You know, when I go to thedoctor and they're reading my
(34:43):
test results and they're kind ofthis and that, I see myself.
It's the same exact thing.
And I'm interpreting that is sodifferent numbers.
The thing is, like when I'mlooking at a chart and I say,
Oh, your rising sign is this,we've got 12 signs in the
zodiac, and that was anarbitrary earthbound looking out
(35:04):
at the expansive boundlessness,and which is Jupiter, right?
Space.
And we're saying in a verySaturn way, hey, let's draw
lines on this and divide it intosections, right?
So even astrology is that sortof like boundlessness, but also
uh sectional, sectionalboundlessness.
(35:26):
So we we have done astrologyfrom our perspective, and I
think it's fun to think aboutlike, well, what if we lived on
a different planet?
It would be a totally differentastrology.
Of course it would.
Of course it would, yeah, yeah.
We would be totally differentbeings.
Maybe we wouldn't need guideson that planet.
(35:49):
Maybe as these dualityuh-seeking um students that we
are, this is just the classroom,boundlessness divided into
sections.
Wow.
And so I start reading thattimeline for people, and I'm
looking at them in some cases,maybe they've told me a few
things enough to give me an ideaof what may have happened
(36:13):
during those sections of theirtime.
And honestly, like my advice topeople if you're getting into
astrology is start watching thesky.
Notice the sun, how it shiftsfrom north to south for the
seasons.
Keep get get on the lunarcycle, watch it wax and wane.
Um, just just start payingattention.
(36:34):
The the practice that I do isin Sanskrit the word is jyotish,
jyotish.
Jyoti means light, jyotishmeans the study of light.
Really?
Yeah, that's all this is.
And like my job is just to giveyou a little more light and
another set of eyes, and that'sanother thing.
(36:56):
In in the Vedas, Veda meansknowledge.
So we have a lot of knowledgethat comes from India.
Um, when you start looking intothis, there's six limbs of of
the Vedas, six uh differentstudies that are associated with
sense organs.
Jyotish is the eyes, the eyesof the Vedas.
(37:19):
So this whole um practice isreally just trying to raise
awareness about who I am, whatwhat am I doing here, and that's
it.
Merilyn (37:31):
Bringing light to our lives.
Kerry (37:34):
Yeah.
Just another set of eyes.
Merilyn (37:37):
Is there anything else that we have that hasn't come up
that's on your heart to share?
Kerry (37:40):
Well, I I really think this idea of making friends with
with time and Saturn is reallyimportant.
Saturn tends to be um, like forpeople who start understanding
the archetypes and knowing alittle bit about astrology,
Saturn tends to be the big badguy, the one who says, you know,
(38:02):
your time is done, and you'vegot this to do, and I'm
pressuring you, and it's noteasy energy to deal with.
But I feel like when we canblend and balance that
Jupiter-Saturn energy, that'swhen we find our road to growth
and peace and stability and andjust happiness.
(38:27):
Like when we're not fightingSaturn, and we're not fighting
Jupiter, it's like they all haveto be happy.
We have to nod our head andsay, okay, it's true.
I've only got these 24 hourstoday.
And it's my responsibility touse the this time the best way I
can for me.
(38:47):
And when we can take thatpressure off of ourselves, I
think we've stepped a little bitcloser to peace.
Merilyn (38:54):
What a great place to end.
Thank you so much, Kerry.
This has been.
I feel time slowing down as I'mtalking to you.
It feels
Kerry (39:03):
Oh, good.
Good, good, good.
Merilyn (39:05):
Thank you.
Kerry (39:06):
You're so welcome, Merilyn.
I really enjoyed talking toyour conversation with you, is
is so fun.
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