Episode 25: Bad Bunny Superbowl Halftime Show

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SPEAKER_01 (00:44):
Welcome to the Mar Latino with your host Gene and
Ivan.
We are back.
What's going on, bro?

SPEAKER_02 (00:50):
Hey man, what's going on with you?
How you been?

SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
Doing alright, man.
Doing alright.
Just uh wow.
Uh after that Super Bowl gameand the week, or was it week or
weeks following?
It's been a it's been a littlecrazy.
Especially, especially since Ididn't hit anything on my
numbers, bro.
It's getting a little upsettingafter 25 years of playing this
thing and never hittinganything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10):
Well, that's why they say don't gamble.
You need the gambling hotlinenumber.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14):
I I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna follow it this time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
None of my boxes hit either, and I was in a couple of
pools, but you know, you gottabe in it to win it, and I still
think being in the pools isbetter than like the regular
lottery, you got better chances.

SPEAKER_01 (01:28):
Yeah, I mean, because I mean ultimately it
comes down to one in a hundred,right?
It's a hundred squares.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
But it's just those numbers,man.
Like once you get numbers, andif they're like numbers that you
know usually don't appear in thescore, you're done.
Yeah.
You're done even before the gamestarts.

SPEAKER_02 (01:43):
See, but that's why I do like because people say
that the last game, the Seahawksversus the Patriots, they said
that you know it was a very biglike defensive affair, right?
Seahawks, uh, their defense wascrazy good.
And when you're in a pool, youwant to see like the score
change, you know, even if itdoesn't mean that you're gonna
win it or whatever, you justwant because you just never

(02:04):
know.
So it's nice to see likethree-point attempts or you
know, going for the extra kick.
Like you like all thoseopportunities to see the score
change.
I think that's the fun ofwatching the Super Bowl when you
have um like a pool goingbecause it's like, yeah, you
want to see a really good game,but at the same time, you never
know if you have a chance towin.
And with these pools, there's somany opportunities, you know,

(02:26):
it's all it's all fun, you know.
So I don't know.
I just don't like thelow-scoring affairs on the Super
Bowl because uh because of thepool aspect of it.

SPEAKER_01 (02:33):
Yeah, I mean, I I like defensive games, uh,
because I like to see you knowthe teams beat each other up,
but to your point, yeah, like ifit's going to be in a pool and
and you're waiting for a numberor some activity to happen,
yeah, it's not really gonnahappen.
And that's what I'm saying.
Like, you know, if you have uhcertain numbers, most likely
they might not come out,especially if it's a defensive

(02:54):
game.
Yeah, you know, but it is whatit is.
What can I do, man?
So I'm broke right now.
So you're uh you'll be you'regonna be buying me dinner for
the next couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_02 (03:02):
I'm broke too, bro.
I got I got two kids, a dog, anda mortgage.
Oh man, I don't want to hearthat.
So, yeah, you know, the otherexcitement of the Super Bowl, we
we have to definitely talk aboutis the Bad Bunny halftime show.

SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
What?

SPEAKER_02 (03:16):
The halftime show.

SPEAKER_00 (03:17):
What was that?

SPEAKER_02 (03:18):
Bad Bunny.

SPEAKER_01 (03:20):
I was watching I was watching the All-American ones.
I don't know what you what doyou what do you talk about?

SPEAKER_02 (03:24):
Don't even play with me, brother.
Do not even play with me.
Oh man.
Yeah, you know, I felt a certainway, man, because you know, even
with the Modern Latino podcast,when Bad Bunny dropped his album
that evening, we were we wereactually recording and we were
talking about it.
I had heard the album and I justknew it was gonna be a fantastic
hit.

(03:44):
It was just chock full of somuch good, you know, good stuff.
And it felt good throughout theentire year, just kind of seeing
it catch fire and and seeingpeople like really get into it.
Obviously, then you know, acouple weeks, was it a couple
weeks ago he won the Grammy forbest album, which I think was a
really cool validation of justkind of like how wonderful the
album was, and uh and the factthat he was I think the first

(04:08):
Latin artist to win that, Iguess with like an old Latin,
uh, old Spanish album.
Yeah, that you know, that meansa lot.
And so for me, I've been a badbunny fan, you know, and anyone
who listens to the podcastknows, you know, I've been
talking about it.
We you know, we went to theconcert in Puerto Rico this
summer.
I'm just you know, I've been touh let's see, three of his

(04:28):
concerts.
You know, I'm I'm a big fan.
And it was uh it was just a itwas definitely a little
frustrating hearing all of thenegative comments around Bad
Bunny when the NFL announcedthat he was going to um to do
the halftime show.
And you know, there's there'slots of different I shouldn't
say lots, but there are multipleelements that you can look at it
from.
The NFL is a business, they aretrying to expand their

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programming, their businessoutside the US, and Bad Bunny is
a global mega superstar, somewould say the beg the biggest
global star today.
And you know, it makes sense.
It makes sense for you know forthem to kind of engage him to do
the halftime show.
The other thing that I thoughtwas interesting, if you think
about it, is that Bad Bunny isactually Puerto Rican, and

(05:15):
Puerto Ricans are Americancitizens.
And I felt like I felt like youknow that was getting lost in a
lot of the conversations and itand it was just eye-opening to
see how many people didn't evenknow that Puerto Ricans were
Americans.
And this is something I'veencountered my entire life, you
know, when you when you you knowI've worked in corporate
America, just in like manydifferent spaces where you talk

(05:38):
to people from differentbackgrounds and they don't know
it.
Now, I'm not expecting thateveryone would know that stuff,
right?
Like, just like I don't knoweverything about you know
whatever cultures, but I don'tknow, like, you know, I I have a
lot that I'm gonna say to it,but I'm not I'm not gonna like
just use up all the time rightnow just on me.
I want to hear your viewpoint aswell.
But what I thought was, youknow, what I thought was

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immediately transparent to mewas like the reaction of like
that what your joke about theturning point USA doing their
own concert, that was I thoughttelling.
Now I look at it from a culturalstandpoint and I'm just like Bad
Bunny's show was not divisive.
People were saying, Oh, theguy's a tra uh what do you call
it?
Uh cross-dresser, he'santi-American and all this
stuff.

(06:18):
You know, anytime he saidanything bad or what they would
say is bad, like anti-USA, it'sin the papers.
But whenever he says somethinggood, they don't put it in.
Like when he was at the Grammys,he was talking about like love,
not hate.
When he did the Super Bowl show,he ended it by saying God bless
USA.
And then he had that samemessage about you know, love
can, you know, is stronger thanhate, whatever that that board

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was on the billboard.
I didn't hear no one talkingabout that in like you know, the
mainstream media really, likeI'm talking about like the
right, you know, what is it,like the conservative media?
No one said it.
And in every other show, youknow, where they say God bless
USA, they would be like sayingthat stuff.
And I felt like the show was aninvitation, if you look at it
from a political standpoint, itwas an invitation to learn about

(07:02):
the Puerto Rican culture orLatino culture a little bit, but
it was also an opportunity.
If the politicians were serious,it's an opportunity for them to
summarize what being an Americanis all about.
What I mean by that.
So Bad Bunny is an American,he's a Latino.
To me, it shows that if you cometo this country and you're a

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legal, you know, legal citizen,you get citizenship or whatever,
doesn't matter where you comefrom.
Someone like Bad Bunny, who wasat one point like uh what do you
call it, like the bagger, thebagger at a supermarket, like he
bagged groceries, and he made itall the way up, worked his way
up into the music business,which is not an easy business,
to become a global superstar.
Any immigrant from anybackground, if you come here and

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you work hard, you become acitizen, you can achieve
success.
And I don't know why thepoliticians didn't like take
that and make that the message.
Instead, they used it as anopportunity to divide people
instead of bringing peopletogether.
And honestly, hopefully, I hopethat they low, I hope they lost
a lot of votes because of itbecause I think that it was

(08:11):
really an opportunity that youknow where they could have
changed the story, given likeall the stuff that's happening
with like ice and all thatstuff.
They they miss an opportunity tobring people together and
rewrite, you know, the directionof where we're heading in this
country.
They missed uh to me, theymissed a mark on that.
So Goodford Turning Point USA,to me, they looked at this as a
marketing opportunity, just likethe NFL, they're a business too.

(08:33):
And they said, Hey, we know thatpeople, there's certain
Americans who are xenophobic andmaybe ignorant, and they have
those viewpoints.
And they said, Hey, let's put ona show to capture all these
dummies.
And I don't mean to insultanyone, but when in in the way
that they did that, that alsoshowed you know lack of a lack
of tolerance and ignorance thatthat I think you know was
eye-opening for many, manypeople.

(08:54):
And where there may have beenindependents who were like on
the fence about certain stuff,you know, I don't I don't think
that they are anymore.
They definitely aren't.
In my own, you know, in my ownpersonal discussions with
people, you know, definitely alot of people have changed the
way that they think about stuff.
And um, you know, I have more tosay about it, but what do you
think?

SPEAKER_01 (09:12):
All right.
No, so look, as a big footballfan, I really didn't get into
the whole thing with whether youknow, but Bunny was gonna
perform or anything.
I I just never really care aboutnone of that nonsense.
If if you look at it, and Ilooked, I to be honest, I saw
both shows.

(09:32):
Um, I had both of them goingbecause I wanted to see.
I mean, you can't comment on youknow which one's better or
whatever, or what was going onif you are not watching both,
right?
This is not the first time thatthere's ever been different
types of shows going on in thein you know, at halftime.
You've always had like the puppybowl and lingerie bowl, and you
had all these things where youwould have to choose to see

(09:55):
which one you want to watch.
So, as far as like, oh, it'santi-Hispanic or whatever, I I
didn't even see it like that.
You know what I mean?
Now, I've seen videos from theactual Super Bowl where I wasn't
happy about the actual bad bunnyuh take.
Why?
Because if I'm paying$10,000 aticket to go watch the Super

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Bowl and to be entertainedduring a halftime show, the last
thing I want, bro, is to have tolook at the big screen to see
what the hell it is that'sactually happening.
Because if you saw, man, the thesetup that they had there, it
was like a corn maze.
And unless you're watching fromhome and the the camera's
actually, you know, showing youeverything that's going on, if

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you're on the stadium, bro,you're not seeing anything.
All you see is like this grass,and and you don't know what's
happening inside there.
So you would have to look at thebig screen just to see what the
hell the whole thing is allabout.
So I didn't like the actualperformance or the the uh the
setup that they had there.
I did not like it, especially ifI was at the game, which I

(11:00):
wasn't.
So I'm I'm giving you thedifferent takes in what I see.
So I didn't like it in thatsense.
The show in itself on TV, yeah,it was entertaining, it was
cool.
You know, I st as a fluentspeaking Spanish individual, I
still don't understand what thehell that guy is saying when
he's singing.
But that's just I just don'tunderstand it.

(11:20):
And it uh, you know, port, youknow, the Puerto Rican dialect
as compared to in Colombia orSpain or whatever, it's there's
little differences.
Of course, Spanish is Spanish,but there are different
dialects.
I didn't understand it, but tobe honest with you, the the bad
bunny music for me is all aboutthe beat and rhythm, and that's
it.
I care less what the hell theguy is saying.

(11:41):
You know, this is where you knowwe don't see eye to eye because
some people will listen to themusic and they just want to hear
the message that's coming out ofit and all that.
I could care less, man.
If the song is good, it's good,man.
If it's gonna make you dance,it's gonna make you dance.
If it's, you know, if itdoesn't, it doesn't.

(12:02):
I mean that that's pretty muchit.
But it's interesting what yousaid, uh what you were talking
about, how people didn't knowthat you know Puerto Ricans were
uh American or citizens.
And this is where I've had thisissue uh discussing this with
you uh a while back.
This is where it comes back tothe destruction of history, and

(12:26):
what I was telling you the wayyou know the the the liberal
viewpoint today, or I wouldn'teven just say today because it's
changed a little bit, but duringlike the uh the the George Floyd
and all that, taking downstatues, removing you know,
historical pieces, all thisstuff.
This is where I was saying thatwhoever's doing that are a bunch

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of nuts, a bunch of dummies whohave no idea what it is that's
going on.
Because if you're talking abouthow that we don't ourselves know
who an American citizen is,whose fault is that, man?
The schooling today, they're notteaching all these things that
they're supposed to be teaching.
Like, why wouldn't you want toteach all the things that have

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happened in the past?
Why don't you uh teach about thehistory of the United States to
include Puerto Rico being a USterritory where they're you know
where where people are citizensand all that?
If you don't teach that inschool, all the dummies of today
that are that are speaking theway they do, and maybe they
really don't know, and I thinkit is that they don't know

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because they're not being taughtthis stuff, they don't know that
uh a Puerto Rican person is a UScitizen, and then they start
with that.
But then on top of that, thenthey mix the ice thing with the
Puerto Rico, which you can't.
I mean, you know what I'msaying?
It's two different things.
It's you know, it's just thatthere's there's no connection

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there whatsoever.
But the whole thing with the badbunny, and I know you were
talking about like the messageand and what he was saying.

SPEAKER_02 (13:57):
Um I haven't got I haven't I haven't talked about
that.

SPEAKER_01 (14:00):
Oh no, no, I'm just saying in regards to you know,
God bless the United States oruh, you know, the messages on
the football or whatever.
With with everything that'sgoing on today, man, people look
at it as like, all right, soyou're gonna say God bless
America and I love all thesepeople, and then that's gonna be
enough to, you know what I'msaying?
Like to to view it as you knowwhat's going on in in the world,

(14:21):
you know what I mean?
And and they and people justdon't want to see that, uh,
especially in the NFL, where Iknow the NFL is trying to go
global because obviously I evenbeen to London to watch a
football game out there.
I know they they're in Spain nowand Brazil, they're Germany,
they're everywhere, and I knowthey're trying to compete

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against soccer, you know, andsoccer's international, man, you
know, so it's it's it's adifferent dynamic.
NFL really isn't like that, man.
And it's it's not like you, youknow, when you go look at the
NFL, it's not like you'regetting players from Ireland,
from Spain, from everywherecoming to play in the NFL.
It's just not like that.
It's an American sport.

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And I get it, it's a business,and they're looking to go
outside of the United States andall that, and you know, make
more money.
But the people that were lookingat it in regards to as an
American sport, they want, youknow, whatever, uh celebrities
here, musicians, or whatever.
I mean, it doesn't even have tobe a musician to perform, right?
There's there's been otherthings.

(15:24):
I I think I've told you a longtime ago, man.
I remember uh NFL halftime showwhere it was just a group of
musicians, they were like umSteinway pianos, and they the
whole and the whole halftimeshow was you know, these great
piano players playing onSteinways, and it was all
beautiful.
It was it it was cool,entertaining, and all that.

(15:45):
But it's just almost like amarching band, right?
You go to see the marching band,you did not just listen to the
old days.

SPEAKER_02 (15:51):
In the old days, it was just marching bands.

SPEAKER_01 (15:53):
No, no, I'm just saying that, but like even to
this day, you go to an NFL game,right?
I'm not talking about the SuperBowl, but an NFL game, you're
gonna see marching bands stilluh during halftime shows.
And it's it's not just thatyou're listening to them, you
know, play the theirinstruments, they're also
marching, they're creatingdesigns on the field, and
they're trying to entertain thepeople too in that way.

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And so, like for me, again, ifyou if it's going to be
something like that, I just wantto be entertained that way.
I don't get into the messagingthat the person's gonna come.
I could care less about that,man.
Like, you know, it's it's likelast year, who was it?
Kendrick Lamar, right?
And I was speaking to a lot ofpeople after that game, and
they're like, oh, you know, thethe black messages, and I'm

(16:35):
like, why has it got to be in ain an NFL game?
Why does it have to be about theblack message?
Oh, you wouldn't get it, andthis and that.
And then now is the Hispanic onebags money.
Oh, is he he you was talkingabout the message and and this
and that?
Nobody, nobody cares about thatstuff, man, especially on a
football game.
Like, we don't have time for uhmessaging and all that.
There's other opportunitiessomewhere else to be doing that.

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Um and that's the funny thing.
Well, guys, I'm just saying thatfor me when I'm watching this,
I'm I'm not interested in allthat stuff.
I just want to watch the game,look at my numbers, you know,
listen to some music if if it'sa musical thing, and that's it,
you know.
So I don't get really too intoit.
I'm just saying that in regardsto everything that you're
discussing, and what we werediscussing because of the

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halftime show, I can see how allthese people can have their
different opinions and all that,and how they can view it, right
or wrong, everybody's entitledto their opinion.
You know, that's that's prettymuch what it is.
But I yeah, I I can see I cansee it both ways of how you
would take it.
Like, you know, all you know,you know, people don't know the
culture, or he's just trying toexpand on on the messaging and

(17:38):
all that.
And and that's well, that that'sthat's fine, you know.
I mean, I I I understand, but Icould also understand how other
people view it too.

SPEAKER_02 (17:46):
Everything you said makes sense, right?
And like you said, like I canunderstand another person's
opinion.
You're just one person, that'syour opinion.
And also regarding the SuperBowl setup, the weekend also
when he did his, he did like asimilar thing when he was
walking around.
That's not the point.
I think like you know, SuperBowl shows, there's always gonna
be a bad seat in the house.
So you do have to look up atthat TV, right?
But but I see your point aboutlike you're spending money, you

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want to make sure you get a goodshow.
I don't think the issues thatpeople were saying about Bad
Bunny in the beginning was hey,he's gonna have grass on the
field, it's not gonna be a goodshow.
That's not what they weresaying, that's not what they
were talking about from thebeginning.
The other thing that you hadmentioned about people not
knowing that American thatPuerto Ricans were Americans
because of history not beingtaught in school, that's a

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little bit of a cop out for me.
And I'm not saying you're youknow, I'm not saying that you're
pushing that, I'm saying thatthese people who don't know this
stuff and saying, Oh, we need tolearn in school, I think that's
a little bit of a cop outbecause that doesn't excuse the
behavior they're doing.
That could be a good thing.
And I know, and I know that'sand I know that's true because
think about the stuff that theyou know black Americans have
gone through in terms ofsegregation and all the stuff,

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they were American citizens.
Why were they being treated thatway?
There's a reason why, right?
Racism, that stuff exists.
You know, for me, when I thinkabout this a little bit more, so
like we've already kind ofcovered like the business aspect
of it, right?
But you know, this is where Iget a little frustrated because
this is the president said, andnow I'm not like trying to get

(19:10):
political, but let me just readhis notes, and I think I got and
I think I copied it right.
He said the Super Bowl halftimeshow is absolutely terrible, one
of the worst ever.
It makes no sense, is an affrontto the greatness of America, and
doesn't risk represent ourstandards of success,
creativity, or excellence.

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Nobody understands a word thisguy is saying, and the dancing
is disgusting, especially foryoung children that are watching
from throughout the USA and allover the world.
This is a man who used to havethe Miss America and Miss
Universe pageant, right?
Didn't he used to run this wherehe would have bring in these

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women from all over the worldand have these shows in all of
their countries, and in each ofthese shows they had salsa
dancing, which was predominantlywhat you saw at the Bad Bunny
concert.
That was very revealing to me.
And if you're someone who thisisn't the point that I'm about
that that I'm I'm going down,this isn't about policy, right?

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Someone could still have goodpolicies, but be disrespectful
and ignorant.
And this is what I'm seeing fromyou know the words that this you
know president is saying, andalso many of the people, you
know, on this side of, you know,let's just say on this side of
the discussion.
Because not all, I'm not gonnasay like all you know

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conservatives feel this way.
I'm not gonna say that.
But this is really uh an issueabout respect for each and every
American, regardless of wherethey come from.
That bunny is an American.
So when you say that you, youknow, you know, greatness of
America, he's included in that.
This is an American who pulledhimself up from the grocery
store, a grocery store job, tobecoming the world's biggest

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superstar.
He is an American, but yetyou're gonna say doesn't
represent our standard ofsuccess, creativity, or
excellence.
You don't get to where he was bynot being creative or displaying
some kind of excellence.
And so this theme, this thiskind of like this running theme
is what I have an issue with,right?

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Like today, Americans enjoy TacoTuesdays, Cinco de Mayo, they
love going on cruises to theCaribbean, all-inclusive
resorts, they love their TacoBell.
In America, we use words likehurricane, hammock, barbecue.
These are all Taino words, bythe way.
So the message, it seems likeyou can enjoy your culture on

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our terms, right?
And I think in the past, many ofus were forced to accept this
situation.
And in a very recent past, andin many cases, many people today
probably still feel that way,but no longer.
I don't think that you have tofeel that way.
I think we are finally at aplace where you can be proud of
your culture and you can beauthentic and bring your
authentic self into whateverwork situation or wherever you

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are and you can do that 100% ofthe time.
No longer do we have to do andthis is I don't know if this is
a relatively new word, but codeswitching.
And anyone, you know, mostpeople know what code switching
is, especially if you're like,you know, someone from a
different, you know, differentculture.
I also think about like what thethe situation I just described.
Marco Rubio has how many jobs inTrump's administration?

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He's Latino.
Everything that Trump just said100% is an insult to Marco Rubio
or any other Latino who works inTrump's administration.
People who who work at Mar aLago, those are Spanish words.
That is like super offensive,but obviously Marco can't say
anything.
He's not going to say anything.
So he's got to sit there grinand just kind of keep a quiet

(22:48):
mouth and and just kind of likeyou know do what many of us have
had to do for many generations.
But you know technically weshouldn't have to do that
anymore.
You know, when I think aboutthis situation I think it's
important for everyone to reallythink about what's important to
them in terms of values in termsof you know who their leaders
are PS this kind of stuff theseconversations have to happen at

(23:10):
the local level like starting athome you have to have these
conversations you got to teachyour kids history like like what
you said because if you don't ifyou don't that's where you're
going to kind of run into thesekinds of like complex situations
where people feel like you knowwhat what is going on like why
you know why are we beingtreated this way and those days
honestly to me are over likepeople should be proud of who

(23:34):
they are regardless of where youcome from and I think it's it is
important to to kind of learnyou know learn your history but
it also I think it's alsoimportant to realize that you
have to do more than just kindof like complain about stuff on
in social media and things likethat.
Can I just make one more pointabout history?

SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Go ahead real quick.

SPEAKER_02 (23:53):
So over the last week I've had a couple people
say to me like why is it whyPuerto Ricans are so like into
themselves and you know it brolike we've had jokes I talk a
lot of smack and I'm sure youmust be like yo enough with this
Puerto Rican dude but you can'treally say so if you got Puerto
Ricans in your family.
If I I say it yeah you say sopeople like what's the big deal
what's the big deal what's thebig deal why why why we gotta
rock the the banderas like whydo we have to rock the flags on

(24:17):
our uh what do you call that inthe car?
The uh on the hood of the car onthe hood on the hood of the car
or the rib the rear view mirror.
Why you guys why do you guyshave that right and so some
people don't understand back inthe day there was uh a law that
was enacted in 1948 called thePuerto Rican Flag Act and it was
enacted by the Puerto Ricanlegislature who was under U.S.

(24:39):
territorial guidance right orgovernance and essentially what
it what that act was it it madeit illegal for Puerto Ricans or
anyone to display the PuertoRican flag sing songs about
Puerto Rico or even really justkind of like talk about Puerto
Rican independence because weare a colony I mean yeah it's a
commonwealth but we're a colonyso that law impacted many people

(25:03):
and it was like targeting peoplewho were like nationalist or
even like in favor ofindependence movements and and
violations could get you up to10 years in prison fines or even
both.
And so what they were trying todo was they were trying the
government at the time wastrying to suppress Puerto Rican
national party you knowconversations or anyone who was

(25:24):
pro-independence and that lawwas in effect until 1957 when it
was eventually repealed so thatis like a big example of how
political repression and in thiscase in Puerto Rico's history
impacted you know their societywhich is why Puerto Ricans and
and to this day people are proudabout the flag and they don't
even know why but this is whythat the culture has like you

(25:48):
know this has been a big part ofour culture is displaying that
flag and having and having pridein it and so Bad Bunny in his
music because people were sayingyou know I don't like the
political messages and I waslike well number one you said
you don't understand a word hesays so how can you tell me that
you don't like the messages inin in his music and this stuff
it can't be both ways right yeahI've said the same thing too

(26:09):
yeah well I mean but but thepoint is valid for especially
for people who don't speakSpanish so it's it's kind of
like he he advocates for thePuerto Rican people in a way
that is needed and and makespeople feel proud and honestly
if you actually translated thewords of his of his show there
was very little politicalmessages there were some little
hid hidden meanings on acultural level one of the things

(26:32):
that many people are talkingabout was the little kids
sleeping on the chairs.
All Latinos when they have bigparties not everyone could rent
out a hall or whatever and soyou kind of jam everyone in and
there's invariably always littlekids sleeping across the chairs
that were lined up along the thethe the wall of the sala right
the the uh the living room andkids would sleep there or there

(26:54):
was always like a room wherethey threw all the coats in and
the kids would sleep on thecoats right like that was a like
a fun thing so like he had likelittle messages like that that
people picked up on that that uhyou know for the the from the
cultural standpoint they theyappreciated it it wasn't like
messages like you know kill youknow do this do like it was not

(27:14):
it was nothing like that and sothat's why it gets frustrating
and so you know for me as I youknow I've I like try to you know
educate people and stuff and I'mnot even like the most I'm not
like some expert uh you knowPuerto Rican history like that
I'm not but like I try toexplain that kind of stuff
because the ignorance is just itjust kills me bro like it kills
me like one thing like I'll giveyou an example and on the law

(27:36):
enforcement side it's not reallylike this but it's a little bit
different.
Whenever like a police officerdies in like New York City or
whatever um regardless of theirbackground they always play the
backpipes and I'm always like yowhy the f the dude who died was
like you know from India why areyou playing backpipes like that
doesn't make any sense right butit's my understanding that
obviously back in the day whenthey formed the the police

(27:58):
department it was mostly mostlyIrish dudes and I guess that's
what they played in those kindsof events and it had just become
part of the New York City policedepartment culture in law
enforcement I don't know if theydo that in everywhere but like
over there and so they alwaysplay the backpipes and you
always see it in the movies andyou always you know in and TV
shows that's how it is that'show it is and so and so that's

(28:18):
how it is but so like to me ifnobody is like saying yo I want
to play like Ricky Martin if itwas a Puerto Rican officer got a
bit but like if nobody complainsabout that and they just accept
it why is it that like in othercases like things cannot be like
also accepted you know what I'mtrying to say like the the level
of ignorance is it just bothersme today because we have so much

(28:40):
information we have chat GBT onyour phone it's like Star Trek
remember in Star Trek they havethe little tricorders and they'd
be like what's what's the atomicmass of this planet they they
they whip out their littletricorder and they get all the
information like that's todaytoday you have the power you
know the the power the computingpower in your iPhone is more
than like what was in like thoseearly launches to like the moon

(29:04):
the Apollo missions and stufflike all those computers we have
more computing power in ourphones and than those in those
devices and so like in theory weshould be more enlightened and
yet it just doesn't seem likethat listen I I totally get
everything that you're sayingman but the this this is where
um this is a conversation acontinuous conversation yeah I

(29:26):
mean you can never just likefinish or end a conversation or
discussion and say and that'sit.

SPEAKER_01 (29:31):
Yeah no it's this is an evolving situation it's it's
going to continue being likethis one I mean but one of the
things that if if you know whenyou start really analyzing
everything and again I I seethings in with a very open mind
being of of a obviously ofHispanic uh origin.

(29:53):
I understand it but I also wasborn here in the United States
and I served in the UnitedStates military and you know I
am very proud of being Americanand so like you know I look at
things very openly I see yourpoint I see or I see everybody's
point.
I I get it.
But one of the things that I donot like in essence like even in

(30:14):
the view for instance what'sthat oh the TV show the TV show
that view is and and they werereferring to like the the bad
bunny because you know heobviously did say well you know
I'm gonna be performing inwhatever three months or
whatever so you you better startlearning how to understand
Spanish or whatever right joke.
And so whether it be a joke ornot or whatever and obviously in

(30:35):
the view it's not a joke youdon't come to the United States
and tell everybody here in theUnited States you better learn
Spanish.
No it's the opposite how aboutlearning English you know what I
mean and so when you startgetting those little things in
there whether it be a joke ornot you're gonna rub people the
wrong way in that sense rightand and I do believe here in the

(30:55):
United States you should learnEnglish.
It's not we should learn yourlanguage now that you're here.
And and I truly believe that nowguess what I speak both
languages as a matter of fact Ispeak other languages too so I I
don't see you know when whensomebody comes here you know
having to now all of a suddensaying yeah you know I don't I'm

(31:16):
not going to learn your customsyour ways you gotta learn mine I
don't like that because you goto any other country it's not
like that.
So why is it that here in theUnited States now I gotta learn
your language?
Are you out of your mind?
So you know it's like he wasmaking a joke.
Again that's what I'm saying Iknow what I mean I said I said
that for him it was a joke youjust explained it I'm just

(31:38):
saying that like in shows likethe view there's not they're not
they're not saying it as a jokeyou know what I mean and they
did just do things to createcontroversy anyway.
But the point is for me I thinkthis thing like completely on
whatever whichever way you lookat it it got blown out of
proportion simply because forand again my opinion for me you

(32:01):
know none of that stuff mattersI understand that like you you
could take it a little bit morepersonal hey you're Puerto Rican
and you know he's talking aboutthe culture over there it's like
you know for instance he therewere part of the show where he
was standing on the uh lightpost right remember like the
light post and obviously wewe've discussed before and there
has been a situation in PuertoRico where like what is it the

(32:24):
electricity what was exactlywith the especially during the
storm right the the electriccompany Luma has been given a
ton of money like afterhurricane was a hurricane so
like a fraud situation I don'tknow if it's fraud mismanagement
but you know they were giventons of money and they haven't
built up the infrastructure ofthe island and so they still
have blackouts that that occurall the time right all the time.

SPEAKER_02 (32:46):
And it's like what is going on with all the money
where's this work being done andso like there are countless
stories of like of likemismanagement and and things not
getting done and so when he hadthe the polls up there that's
what that was kind of likethat's what it was for that.

SPEAKER_01 (33:02):
Yeah and so you know so he's he's um up there
referencing that but again theaverage person they don't know
nothing about Nanas though wellthat's like but like that that's
like Americans not knowing aboutthe water issue in Flint
Michigan no no I just Iunderstand I'm just saying it
just doesn't make any sense tothe person that was watching at
the time if you don't have noidea so they're like I have no
idea what that's about.
Yeah so whether you're speakingabout it or viewing it for that

(33:24):
matter right so like it reallydoesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 (33:26):
But that's why I give Bad Buddy credit because he
has this global platform andguess what a lot of people are
asking that same question thatyou just like mentioned and a
lot of people are gettingeducated on it and that's what
he does.
He advocates and that's why Iget mad because it's not like
he's advocating for one side orthe other at the end of that
show he said God bless USA he'snot advocating like politically

(33:49):
he's advocating for the peopleof Puerto Rico his home and he's
saying like when he gets thechance he speaks out on those
things that are most importantto the island things that are
affecting his people and that'swhy that's why like I get kind
of annoyed because you know yousay I'm not saying you I'm
saying people say oh he's likeyou know saying this but he's
he's advocating for his peoplebecause he knows he can do it

(34:12):
and he doesn't care.
He he says I'll do I do what Iwant kind of like Trump in that
respect right Trump isn'tbeholden to like you know uh
those special interests right hefor the most part ran and so
like he says I don't owe anyonefavors I just do whatever I want
same kind of thing with Bat Bunhe's made it he he's you know
he's a superstar he's got allthis money and so when he gets

(34:34):
up there he's talking aboutthose those issues that are
important to Puerto Rican peopleand he's been doing it since day
one so that's why it is a littlebit annoying when you hear
people just kind of like sayingthese things without trying to
understand.
And I don't expect everyone tounder just because I'm Puerto
Rican that I don't expecteveryone to know my stuff.
So whenever I get the chancesomeone asks me a question I
take the time and I try toexplain it to them.

(34:54):
I try to you know again I'm nota this isn't something I have a
degree in so I try to explain itto them the best way that I can
to educate them a little bitmore so this way they don't just
have like a low level ignorantlevel of understanding and and
when stuff is going on in othercountries our very first podcast
was talking about the Israeliand the the Palestinian issue
right that was our very firstpodcast we try to take a an

(35:18):
approach to understand what'sgoing on in other countries
other cultures understand what'swhat's impacting them so that
when we can have conversationswe can speak about it from a
place of education and not likea place of ignorance right I
think you kind of alluded to itnot every American is like that
clearly unfortunately not evenis our president to be honest

(35:39):
and I'm not you know I you knowme I'm number one I always like
I don't want to make this showpolitical let's focus on like
our messages and stuff like thatbut in this case to me he messed
up he you know I would not besurprised if like you know
because he was always like ohyou know I got like big numbers
with Latinos and like theAfrican American I would not be
surprised if the Republicansdon't see numbers like that in

(36:01):
the future unless they do somemajor kind of like disaster
control damage control.
Because I don't know those wordsI'm never gonna forget those
words bro I'm never gonna forgetthere's nothing again I'm
separating policy right likethere's policies that I agree
with I'm separating policy fromthe person and from a personal
standpoint those words are verytelling yeah I mean I mean you

(36:23):
could look at it that way too Idon't you know if you're gonna
just look at it like that nothat's just too personal for me
you know what I mean right youdo you you literally say it
every time you're like yo as faryou know for me for me like you
speak from your experience aswell I I do and I always like
for me but I I look at the bigpicture I don't look at just one

(36:43):
little thing like that you knowbecause I just don't and and
simply because of this each oneof us you me we've said have
said stupid things in the past Inever say stupid things oh yeah
yeah you no never you know whatI'm saying and um and and so I'm
not yeah but you know bro butI'm not the president of the
United States no I understandwhat you're saying but I but

(37:04):
also we've discussed also we'renot gonna get too deep into this
we've also uh have said thathe's completely we can't even
gauge or understand the waywhere he comes from because he's
like you said he does his ownthing you know what I'm saying
and he's not beholden to anybodyso he's gonna say his stuff but
at the same time he has alsoproven and shown that the guy

(37:28):
does care about everybody so youcould like again I don't know we
have a whole set huh I don'tknow about that oh man I mean I
mean cares about everybody he'sdoing he's doing right by the
country again policies differentthan policy is different than a
person that's exactly the pointthat's the policy he's the
president so he's doing histhing man and he's and he's
helping everybody out that'sjust the way I see it again I

(37:50):
know that's how you see itthat's how you see it I I
disagree and then when someonecomes out with such a there's a
hundred other ways and the factthat like the people in his
administration let him post thatbullshit sorry for cursing the
fact they let him post thatbullshit shows me he's not the
typical politician which wealready knew but it also shows

(38:12):
me that he doesn't care becauseI don't know about that's a
deeply offensive that is adeeply offensive statement that
he posted suddenly salsa dancingis disgusting especially for
young children watchingthroughout the USA and all over
the world.

SPEAKER_01 (38:29):
Well I felt the same way man when Cardi B was up
there doing the same thing andall these other people prior to
where were where were statementsabout that?
I'm sure there were statements.

SPEAKER_02 (38:37):
Ah man so you're gonna come on man you're gonna
tell me salsa dancing isdisgusting I mean come on I'm
not gonna I I already told youlike for me I don't I don't look
at none of that you can't sayyou can't say look at the big
picture and then not say the bigpicture is you're gonna tell me
that salsa dancing isdisgusting.

SPEAKER_01 (38:54):
No what I'm saying to you is that the big picture
what I'm telling you for me thebig picture is not just about
one particular little thing ofwhat he said because of salsa
dancing or whatever.
It's going to be it's going tobe this it's going to be look
and I'm just explaining to youfor me again I I don't know how
anybody else sees things is myis my pocket being affected are

(39:17):
my kids getting what they'resupposed to be getting and my
And I agree with you.

SPEAKER_02 (39:20):
No no but listen I'm that's all I'm saying is when I
when it's time to vote the lastthing on my mind is gonna be
like yo he equated salsa dancingto whatever something bad you
know what I'm saying and I'mlike uh you know what maybe
that's true but damn man my401ks are doing well so I gotta
vote this way that might be trueyou know I'm just telling you

(39:43):
that might be true for you andthat might be true for me that
might be true for other peoplebut guess what there's a hell of
a lot of young people in thiscountry who are going to take
offense to that there's a hellof a lot of uh Latinos who are
gonna take offense to thatthere's gonna be there's gonna
be non-Latinos who areimmigrants who are gonna take
offense to that because theyalso have their own dance
traditions that are not and Idon't want to I'm not like

(40:03):
because I'm not see like I'mlike I was gonna say that's not
like line dancing that's notcountry music right and there's
nothing I like country music andI like line dancing.
I've taken line dancing classesright have you so yes I have
wrong with you no but but thisis the but this is the point I
can like I'm open minded so likeI I've tried I've tried the only
thing I have not ever reallytried is Irish dancing because

(40:25):
my knee I have a bad I Icouldn't do that man I couldn't
do that but I love rubberdancing too quick I love river
dance I love you know I love allkinds of music and and it does
make me proud to be an Americanknowing that we have all these
little facets and colors thatmake up America when I'm out in
the street and I see let's justsay a family from India doesn't

(40:48):
have that I'm just gonna pickbecause because in my
neighborhood there's you knowthis recently happened and I see
a family going to the mall and Ican see them dressed in their
traditional outfits but then Isee the little kids running out
of the the target and they gotlike a toy or they're rocking
like some like you know Americankind of a a brand that's a
little bit different.
And you can see the kids beingall happy and I'm like look

(41:11):
that's that's what America isabout because maybe wherever
these people come from theydon't have those opportunities
when I see like the familieswhen we like when we go to like
amusement parks right and I seepeople from different cultures
come and they're amazed andmyself you you know as well like
you know you're amazed and yousay man this is like this is
what America is about that iswhat America is about bro that

(41:33):
inclusivity that's how you kindof continue our history and our
history is changing our historyis changing there's more Latinos
every day in this country so youknow so like I get what you're
saying right but like I'm notgonna use that as a cop out to
let these guys off the hook youknow what he said was deeply
offensive.
And you know what I know but youknow that's not the only

(41:54):
offensive thing that he said andis he says offensive things to
his own family members rightlike that's just the person
himself but like in the pastwhere I've heard people say
things about like you know himand like you know I never heard
the I never heard the guy sayanything like that.
Like it you know I always makeup my own mind based off of what
I actually learn hear see andthis guy he he revealed himself

(42:18):
to a lot of people and so againlike I don't think there's
people there's people online whohave been to Mar a Lago who've
been big time supporters andthey've been they've been coming
out against I'm not going to saytheir names because I don't know
them personally so I'm not gonnaput their names on blast but if
you look there's big time donorswho are like yo like I can't
believe he said that like thisis not who I believe that guy uh
Jake Paul and Logan Paul JakePaul came out with some bullshit

(42:40):
as well you know talking somesmack along these lines and then
his brother came out and waslike yo I don't you know
everyone's entirely theiropinion I don't I don't believe
in what like my brother saideven he came out because it's
stupid bro I understand thatmakes you but you know what bro
it's the same thing as all theseother people saying the same the
same thing in an opposite in ain a different way like I think

(43:00):
it's offensive when you got aChuck Schumer talking about how
like people uh especially blackamericans they don't know how to
get a birth certificate or theycan't have an ID or whatever to
go for what you know what I'msaying so like I agree and and
and and that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 (43:15):
So I'm just saying like everybody's saying all
kinds of crazy nonsense.
So like for me like that'sirrelevant.
You know I get it.
Personally listen personally foryou in this particular case you
took it a little bit more ifthis guy would have been
Colombian I would have said thesame thing.

SPEAKER_02 (43:30):
Bro whatever I'd be feeling the same way.

SPEAKER_01 (43:32):
And I would be feeling the same way too that's
exactly the point I'm trying tomake is you know what bro people
say all kinds of stupid thingsand that's really it you know at
the end of the day you know aslong as my family's doing good
or whatever if I'm investingproperly or if I'm you know
following the certain things I'mgonna do my thing anyway right
it's just hard man like againthis is like an a a continuous

(43:55):
discussion where we can feed offeach other and just say hey yeah
you know I I I understand whatyou're saying and all that.
Yeah, I don't really agree withthat.
I don't agree with this orwhatever.
We just gotta continuously keepdoing that, bro.
But I don't like I'm not I'm I'mnot gonna be static and just
say, oh, I hate this and that'sit, or you know, I don't like it

(44:15):
because of that.
I just don't look at it likethat.
You know, I mean I it's it'sbigger for me, it's a b a a
bigger thing.
But I do again, being a ofLatino, I enjoy music, all kinds
of music.
I like I've said it, I don'tunderstand what the hell he's
saying 90% of the time.
Not like I don't understand it ahundred, like 90% of the time, I
just the way he sings orwhatever, I just don't I don't

(44:37):
get it.
But I do see your point inregards to all the things that
people have said, why they feelthat way, the the uh the
competition aspect of it for thedifferent halftime shows and who
should be there now.
You know, at the we have nocontrol whatsoever of what the
NFL does.
They don't even care either,because like even if people were

(44:58):
out super outspoken, they'restill gonna do their thing
anyway.
Because what you said, it'strue, it's all about money, man.
It's all about making as muchmoney as possible, and that's
it.
But uh, yeah, I mean, this isone of these things, bro.
Like, it's we gotta continuallytalk about it, and as long as we
all understand and encourageeach other to learn about each
other, that's the best thingabout it.

(45:20):
But I don't feel hurt about anyparticular uh statements or
anything that's going on outthere.
I just for me, we all need toobviously live together, we need
to understand each other and allthat.
But at the end of the day, forme, if you you know, we can't
mix a Super Bowl halftime showwith a lot of the things that
are going on here in the UnitedStates, too.

(45:40):
You know, it's one thing twoseparate things.
Yeah, it's two separate things.

SPEAKER_02 (45:44):
And let me just give you some let me give you some
points, man, because you'retrying to be all nice and stuff.
And I ain't having it today, butlisten here with it trying.
Let me compare, let me comparebecause I want to talk about the
turning point USA just to givethe people who were who think
that their viewpoint is thepredominant viewpoint.
The Bad Bunny Super Bowlhalftime show, peak viewership,
128.2 million just in the UnitedStates on TV.

(46:07):
Total online views within days,4 billion social media views.
Okay.
The TP USA alternative show, 6million YouTube peak.
Alright, so 128.2 million versussix million and online views,
four billion for bad bunny,twenty to twenty-one million

(46:28):
views for the other alternative.
So if you're in that other camp,you better fucking start
learning to talk Spanish.

SPEAKER_00 (46:39):
Yeah, okay.
And do me a favor, like go.

SPEAKER_01 (46:42):
Don't forget, don't forget that as far as with the
views, there was a lot of peoplethat left the channel on the way
it was, bro.
When they went to go eat andwent to the bathroom and all.

SPEAKER_02 (46:50):
Nice try.

SPEAKER_01 (46:50):
Come on, man, stop.

SPEAKER_02 (46:52):
I'm not gonna support it, I'm not gonna
support it because listen thatthat did not come from a place
of love.
I and I love it because they'realways like about love and man.
Again, I look at it from amarketing standpoint,
marketing-wise, totally makessense.
I could see if you don't likethat, then maybe maybe now they
begin something new, kind oflike what you said about the
puppy bowl.
Maybe now they will always Iwant to see that they always

(47:13):
have an alternative view.
So if next year uh a countrysinger comes on, does that mean
then that we could that they'regonna put on like a Latino
turning point USA show?
Maybe you don't know.
I mean, I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_01 (47:26):
I don't know, bro.
Listen, again, you you'rediscussing you're you're
bringing up.

SPEAKER_02 (47:30):
I'm I'm just talking, I'm just talking about
what people are talking about,bro.
And and yeah, like you know, itit it's hard to always a
discussion.
It's always hard to kind of likethe difference kind of stuff,
but you gotta do it.

SPEAKER_01 (47:39):
The difference between, I guess, the way we
would come across it with eachother here as compared to
everybody else out there isthey're either it's either black
or white for them, and that'sit, bro.
And I don't that I do notbelieve we need to be able to
discuss this stuff, yeah.
Of course, and we need to beopen-minded to everything.
But the people that are notopen-minded, man, screw them.
You know, I I do that's exactlyhow I feel.

(48:01):
Because don't come over here andtell me it has to be this way,
it has to be.
I don't want to hear that.
I don't want to hear thatnonsense.
But I I mean, the one thing thatI did say, which I'm gonna
always hold true to, is here inthe United States, man, you
gotta speak English, bro.

SPEAKER_02 (48:16):
That's just the way that's uh Yeah, I feel like it's
not the it's not even thisUnited States, it's in the
globe.
In the globe when you go toother countries, everyone speaks
English because that's theglobality.

SPEAKER_01 (48:25):
No, no, I understand.
But they but look, I agree withthat.
No one's going to Italy and say,hey, you gotta learn English.
No, you gotta learn Italian.

SPEAKER_02 (48:32):
Yeah, but I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (48:34):
I don't think anyone's ever, but no one's even
disputing that.
No, what I'm saying is when youhear comments.
Now that was a joke.
That was a joke.
I'm again I'm not talking abouthim, but when you hear it in a
situation where it's not a joke,like on the view, yo, I have a
big problem with that.

SPEAKER_02 (48:48):
I didn't I didn't I don't I didn't see the viewers.

SPEAKER_01 (48:50):
Well, yeah, but trust me when I tell you, they
said it.
You know, so I'm like, come on,man, enough with with that.
So that's the only thing that Idon't know.

SPEAKER_02 (48:57):
Because I don't think aside from that host who
is Puerto Rican, I don't knowany of if any of those other
ones speak Spanish.
So I don't, I don't, I don't buyinto that to me, but she's the
but she's the one that says it.
And here's the and here's thefunny thing, and here's the
funny thing.
Like in Puerto Rico, peoplespeak both languages.
Like you got everybody, ofcourse.
No, you got some you got somepeople who who don't because you
know where they live locally,yeah.

(49:18):
Uh, but if you go to San Juan,everyone speaks both both
languages.
You can go to Puerto Rico andget along speaking English just
fine.

SPEAKER_01 (49:26):
Yeah, like so.

SPEAKER_02 (49:27):
That's why like I that that doesn't hold water for
me in in terms of like becausethat's not like that's not even
like a position that anyone isdisputing.
Yeah, but if you're gonna lookat from my standpoint, no, like
of course this is America.
You need and this is what I'mtrying to say.
Like, this is America, you needto be able to speak the
language, but they're like someother countries.
Like when I went to Brussels,no, they spoke like French,

(49:48):
German, English, like they andthey in their own like language,
like so you know it's almostlike they take a pride in
speaking multiple languagesbecause their neighbors around
them are so close, you gotta youhave to interact and you have to
speak with them.
I don't think it's so that'swhy, like in the United States,
when if you see we're you know,we're so close to you know
Mexico and and South America,Latin America, it makes sense to

(50:11):
speak you know Spanish.
I'm not saying Spanish should bethe primary language, but in in
the United States, if you tellme that you only speak one
language, then to me that showsme that you're ignorant.
Because when you're in school,they give you the choice to pick
a language, and it's not likethey're even saying you must
learn Spanish.
I know plenty of kids who speakFrench, Italian, like they pick

(50:32):
all these other kinds oflanguages.
I know.
So if you're if you're a no, butif you're an American citizen
and you've gone to school,especially these days, if you
don't speak at least anotherlanguage, then you're ignorant.
And I'm not trying to be mean toanyone who doesn't speak, I'm
just saying Bro, you know howmany people go to school and
still don't know how to speakEnglish.
I know, but but the point butthe point I'm making is I'd go

(50:54):
pick another language.
We can't even speak English.
That's on, but I'm just saying,if if you're one of those people
who can't even speak English,then don't talk to me about this
subject.
Don't talk to me about Bad Bunnyif you can't even speak English.
Number one.
Number two, sorry, I'm gonnatalk to you.
No, number two, number two,yeah, you need to acknowledge
the fact that in today's day andage, you should speak another
language.
If you're living in the UnitedStates and you have to pick

(51:16):
another language, my opinion, itshould be Spanish.
Doesn't have to be it doesn'thave I'm just saying, my
opinion.
Now I know plenty of people whospeak French.
I think French is a honestly.
I've taken French classes and Ispeak a little bit of French,
not enough like Bradley Cooper,that dude.
He was I saw him do aninterview, it was crazy.
So like I think you know,language is speaking multiple
languages, and like my daughterspeaks English, German, and

(51:39):
Spanish.
Right?
Like, I think it's important toto like you know learn multiple
languages, to your point.
This is America, right?
And you know, and if you don't,and if we're not like fighting
for the things that areimportant for us, that's that's
bad.
And I want Americans to be ableto compete in this global
economy, and in order tocompete, you gotta speak more
than one language.

SPEAKER_01 (51:58):
Bro, I never said that you shouldn't speak other
languages because obviously Ispeak other languages too.
What I'm saying is if you cameinto the United States and told
somebody, no, we're not gonnalearn English, you gotta learn
my language, that right there.
I agree.
I do not like it.
And that's what that's what I'mtalking about.
Because the same thing, when Iwas in high school, I didn't
when I took the foreignlanguage, I didn't take Spanish.

(52:20):
Why am I gonna take Spanish?
Well, so I can get an easy A.
I learned I learned French.
Yeah, right.
So I mean, of course, if youdon't take if you don't take
that extra language or you don'ttry to learn it, that's on you.
But I'm not I'm saying thatwhatever country you're in,
you're not gonna go into anothercountry and say, nah, nah, nah,
I'm here now, so you're gonnaspeak my language.

(52:42):
That don't work like that, man.
I'm not I'm telling you, I'm notdown with that.
So he if here we're in theUnited States, you could speak
whatever language you want tospeak, but you better learn
English.
Yeah, I agree.
Not the opposite.
You don't come into the UnitedStates and say, nah, I'm here
now, so now you gotta learn howto speak German.

SPEAKER_02 (53:00):
I don't think anyone said that.

SPEAKER_01 (53:01):
So I'm all I'm saying is for somebody to say
that, and I know you're sayingthat Bad Bunny said it as a
joke.

SPEAKER_02 (53:07):
He was not talking about like he was not like
telling me.

SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
And I get, like I said, I I I understand.

SPEAKER_02 (53:12):
So then why don't you say that he said God bless
USA?

SPEAKER_01 (53:14):
I what do you mean?
I just said I said that earlier.
You didn't say that.
I'm just saying, I'm saying youknow what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 (53:20):
This is what politicians do.
This is what politicians do.

SPEAKER_01 (53:21):
I understand that, but you know, for for us, again,
I'm an open-minded person.
I'm gonna speak and I'm gonnalisten to you, and I'm not gonna
again, I don't believe in blackand white.
Yeah, so that's not that whatwe're talking about, is really
not even a discussion, just Imean, uh about us.
It's about everybody outside ofwhat the way we do it, because

(53:42):
everything that I see, whether Iread in the paper or hear in the
news, via TV or online orwhatever, it's always like a
black and white issue situation,and I just don't like that, bro,
because it just closes out theprospect for having a
discussion, at least anintellectual discussion.
You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 (54:01):
Well, that's how they that's how they do things
to kind of split people up tokeep to keep like the uh the
drama going, man.
Anyway, this is a goodconversation, man.

SPEAKER_01 (54:11):
It's crazy, it's crazy all the all the craziness.

SPEAKER_02 (54:14):
This is a good conversation, and I hope people
are listening to it and theyfeel and I hope that they're
feeling like you know, theyshould feel empowered, you know.
Again, I'm of course I'm takingit from the Latino perspective,
Puerto Rican specifically, butto me it's important to kind of
cover these kinds of subjectsbecause if we don't like stand
up and support each other, noone else is gonna do it.

(54:37):
And when you look at these kindsof situations, you know, number
one, also have you know, giveeach other grace because like
you can't just assume thatsomeone has negative intent,
maybe they just don't know.
Maybe you just need to take thetime to educate them, which
means number one, educateyourself.
But like, you know, I think weneed to kind of give each other
a little bit of grace.

(54:57):
We need to try to haveconversations just like we have
right now.
And and so you know, for ourfans, if you've listened to us,
you know, we you know me and myboy, we we don't always like see
the eye to eye on everything.
You know, there's many times Igotta educate my partner because
you just don't know what thehell he's talking about.

SPEAKER_01 (55:12):
No, but that's why I said I just gotta hold back and
I'm like, all right, let himhave the limelight now.
This guy does not know what he'stalking about.

SPEAKER_02 (55:19):
Yeah, no, we you know we we do this, this is but
this is how we are in real life,too.
So, you know, we talk, we try toyou know support each other and
we try to you know talk aboutall the things that are
important.
So, you know, I think you know,in your own lives, just try to
have more conversations and tryto educate folks.
And again, I this is my personalplug.
If you're a Latino and you'reout there doing your thing, you

(55:39):
know, hold your head up high, beproud, because there's many,
many Latinos that are out therebreaking barriers, breaking down
those doors, uh, you know,cracking those glass ceilings,
and they're doing their thing,and there's no reason why you
cannot do it as well, right?
Don't don't make excuses foryourself.
You can't say, Oh, um, you know,I can't do this because I'm
Latino, there's the man that youknow.

(56:01):
No, there's plenty of peoplethat are out there doing it.
Sometimes you gotta struggle,sometimes you gotta sacrifice,
and sometimes you gotta fight,but you gotta believe in
yourself, and uh, and we allhave to like support each other.

SPEAKER_01 (56:12):
Yeah, that's very true, bud.
So this is just also just withthat being said, that just goes
for everybody, too.
Not just Latinos, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (56:20):
I know, but that's why I said I'm I said I'm
speaking from my side.

SPEAKER_01 (56:22):
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, because I I feel thesame way, uh, but I feel it for
everybody, you know.

SPEAKER_02 (56:26):
Like I but this isn't the modern everybody
podcast.

SPEAKER_01 (56:28):
Yeah, I understand that, bro.
This is not the modern everybodypodcast.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (56:33):
So yeah, I gotta check in.
All right, man.

SPEAKER_02 (56:36):
This is a great way.
I gotta I gotta cut him off.
Let me cut his mic.
So, hey fans, thank you so muchfor listening to this episode of
the Modern Latino Podcast.
We hope you enjoyed uh thisepisode.
Please make sure to check us outon our webpage, and we're
actually doing some updates toit, but we can find us at
themodernlatino.com, and you canalso find us on Instagram.

(56:59):
Our pages the modern latinopodcast.
You can also find us on all ofthe major podcast uh platforms
like Apple Podcasts, Spotify,all of those.
And if you want to send us anemail, let us know what you're
thinking.
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SPEAKER_01 (57:21):
Uh yeah.
No, thank you very much,everybody.
We really do appreciate it.
Um those emails are greatbecause we get a uh an idea of
what you guys are thinking,whether you are with us, against
us, really doesn't matter.
We want to tackle whatever issuepops up and uh, you know, with
an open mind.

(57:42):
That's exactly what we uh uhintended for this podcast to be.
We are gonna continue doingthat, and uh we hope that you
guys follow us and uh you knowengage in some open discussions
with us.
So we really do appreciate it.
And I definitely appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 (57:56):
All right.
So thank you, fans.
Hope you enjoyed.
Uh be on the lookout for ournext episodes, and please just
make sure to leave us a reviewif you go to Apple Podcasts or
whatever platform you're on.
Listen to the show, leave us anice review, help us uh get up
there.
I think we last time we checked,we were number 21 on uh Latino
Podcasts.
That's what it was.
Top top, yeah, we were top 30,so we were 21 on the on the on

(58:18):
the 30 list.

SPEAKER_01 (58:18):
So we still gotta climb, bro.
We gotta keep moving.

SPEAKER_02 (58:21):
Help us, help us get up the list.
All right, fans.
Thank you so much.
Take care.
Enjoy.

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