February 24, 2026 • 61 mins
We finally get to the good stuff! Pulp Fiction! Only joking, his other movies were good too. Apart from Sphere. Before we get there we chat about how edgy we both are, the all new branding for the Dad Corps and end up spending way too much time talking about Barbra Streisand. How could you not? She’s an icon!
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(00:00):
In a world where two friends decided to watch movies from
their youth, then decided to start a podcast about it, we
present to you The movie Test ofTime, a podcast about the only
medium that matters, the movies presenting your hosts, America's
sweetheart Beth Martin and Irishruffian Aliya Batha.
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Pleasure as always. What's the?
Crack. So edgy.
I like the kids get their science projects to the science
fair. This.
Morning, right? And it was raining and I wear
raincoat and I was like, I'll drive you.
Edgy and you like and you, but you drove really fast and you
were like handbrake turns and stuff like that and and so on
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and so forth and and swore and swore a lot whenever they were
out of earshot, obviously. Ohh, I mean that definitely
there can always within earshot.Mikes decided that Charles can
say because he's 9 now, he can say crap, and because Harper,
then she can say shit. Damn crap.
(01:04):
Nice, nice, nice. Yeah, that makes.
Sense cause yeah, so apparently,and he's thought this all
through. So Mike's home from Oxford.
Uh, there's no plug here. So are you?
I have a Stanley. Drinker from that.
Earlier I have fucking, I bent the knee for the Stanley mug
(01:26):
cause Mike was like, do you wantthe Stanley mug?
Cause he's like everything is. They put the logo for Oxford on
everything. And I was like, you know what?
Yes, I want the Oxford Stanley fucking water mug.
Why? Not cause.
You know no one else is like, how many people in America have
this? None.
It's so it's superstitious and Imean, it's like it's also kind
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of like such a clot, Like it's, you know, it really, you know,
epitomises our podcast. It's like this combination
Stanley Cups I think of as an American thing at Oxford is zinc
as as English as it comes, you know?
Yeah, Are as British as it comes.
Yeah, whatever. But so yeah, he ohh, I was like,
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you know, he, he's like got in super late last, not super late
like 7 whatever had dinner. He stayed up till 10.
He was, he's I think he'd been up for like 2 days.
So he started like not really making sense.
He's still sleeping. But you know, we were just chit
chatting and I was like, how wasOxford?
He was like, I was good. And I was like, ohh, yeah.
(02:30):
I watched all of all of Pulp Fiction, like in one sitting
today and he was like, what the fuck?
And I was like, what do you mean?
And he's like, I've been tellingyou that you needed to watch
because he's like, you've never seen the movie, like ever in one
sitting or like. Do.
You know that you saw the endingand I was like what?
(02:50):
Like no, you know, you know, like I have started it probably
like 30 times then got bored andwatered away.
So he was very it's. Like the the the things that
this podcast is. Making I know all the way.
Through and like, I mean, you know, I think this is tight
straight, but it's like, I ultimately gets me whenever you
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tell somebody you haven't seen something and they're like,
what? And I'm like, yeah, it's almost
as if I'm a human with a different life than yours,
right? Different.
Experience like I've known you since the last Millennium.
What the fuck. So very mad that I didn't wait
to watch it with him, but I was like, it's like you, you could
have changed the timing like Andy would have understood.
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So anyways, we do what we want. Sorry, Mike, Exactly.
You don't listen to the podcast,so whatever.
We are, we are, we are both edgyand problematic and we just
watch what we want when we. Want no matter how tiny
feelings, it hurts anyway. How are you?
Where I took bath, I was just kind of gonna get over another
(03:59):
sickness. I think like my 4th sickness in
six months. I am over sicknesses.
I think I I didn't, it's kind ofmaking up.
I feel like the two years prior to that I was barely sick at
all. So I think just they're coming
for me now. They're taking their sweet.
Revenge or sickness there? It is my sickness era and I am
glad it seems to be coming to anend because I actually have
energy today, which is nice. Few other things have been
(04:23):
happening so and unfortunately Inever got the opportunity to
take you there whenever you cameover to visit.
But I've talked about my local yoga studio.
It's the one I've sent you the video from before that basically
was overlooking the castle in my.
Time. And I was like the what?
You're like the castle. And I was like the castle, yeah.
Yeah, I. And you guys, they those who
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don't know, just Google like Carrickfergus Castle.
It's. It's a thing of beauty.
It's beautiful. I couldn't be bothered to pay
the money to go walk inside, butwe sure didn't walk up to the
front and peered in. That's that's enough.
Like I think it's kind of overwhelming and the inside of
it is fine, but it's fairly underwhelming anyway.
(05:08):
Yeah, so. You could have like yoga
retreats and a fucking castle Andy.
The, the, the work, because whenever I was doing stuff with
the choir, we had tried to figure out how we could sing in
there and it was just such a nightmare that it was just, we
quickly dropped the idea becauseit was so such a big headache.
Because it is a listed building,You know, it's, I think we have
(05:31):
the historical, historical importance, things like that.
So anyway, that's you that is overlooking the castle and they
are moving and it's bittersweet.I am so happy that they are
moving to this new place. But I have such fond memories of
that studio in particular, that room in particular, you know,
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like on a good day when you can see the castle, the sea, the sun
shining, it's one of the most magical places to, you know, to
do yoga. And I'm just going to miss it,
you know? So like, I attended my last
class and there over the weekend.
I'm going to help with the move to the new studio over the
weekend and the weekend comment.But it's just, you know, I think
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I also do this a lot myself whenever like there are big
changes, I end up getting quite wistful and you know,
remembering not always in a negative way, but remembering
all the nice things, but also, you know, the good on the bus
and like, you know, the body's in like, you know, maybe inside
about about change and things like that, about missing the
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place. And was fullness but like more
depressing. Find a word for that Internet or
or tell fans, come on. There's, there's gotta be 1.
I think. I, I think there is one and
it's, it's not coming. Like it's, it's in the, it's in
my brain somewhere. I also I'm getting, you know,
(06:59):
being sick, being depressed little I mean, I'm not super
depressed, but depressed ish andI was like, you know, I'll
watch, I'll watch dime. I love the the movie starring.
Ohh, we haven't forgot her name Now that's terrible.
I know what you're talking about.
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Um, Jennifer Lawrence. Jennifer Lawrence.
Yes, where she's like post. Post post Natal, it's basically
a movie about post Natal depression and you know.
You can't have babies, dude. You know, you would definitely
have personal depression. Ohh, 100% no, like, but you
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know, really good movie, but also like tough a tough watch.
And also it's, you know, it's like one of those things where,
um, it it I think like it's she in particular as director Lynne
Ramsay is very good at like depicting things without maybe
kind of like not an obvious way.So like by the use of camera
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angles or lighting or whatever, you know, and it's such a kind
of like insight into somebody's mind without being very kind of
showy about it. So like, what a wonderful piece
of film making and a movie I'm glad I saw.
But yeah, it was, it was a toughride, it really was.
Who's her? It's her and Robert Pattinson,
(08:31):
right? It is our Pats.
I'm not getting ever used that again.
Sorry dude. Also, Nick Nolte, like
instantly, just a sprinkling, a sprinkling of Nick Nolte.
He's not in it much, but he's when he's in it.
All this shit, Yeah. But he like, cause he's doing a
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thing where he's like, you know,he's playing this kind of old,
sort of kind of kind of frail sort of guy.
And you know, he does a very like he, he's, he's, he's very
good. And it was.
It was nice. Have you ever seen the Prince of
Tides? I don't.
I haven't. Seen it.
Yeah, we might want to add that to the list actually.
OK. He's really, it's a really good
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movie. He is so good in it, so it's
like it, and he plays a very sympathetic character dealing
with some very hard issues. It's the book is better than the
movie, and it's him and Barbra Streisand, but it works.
I don't know. I was going to say that's that's
a Barbra Streisand everything. So that's whenever, whenever,
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whenever. We do.
It's really, it's our Bob also has this house, you know, in
the, like, low country meeting. Like, you know, I don't know if
it's like the Outer Banks or something, but like the beach
house is right on the ocean. And they're all like frolicking.
And it reminded me of my childhood.
And I was like, that's that's the house.
(09:54):
That's the house that I want to live in where wherever it is,
like I'll buy it. Not really, but yeah.
I love it, Yeah. I yeah, whenever, say whenever
we do our Barbra Streisand season.
We have to. Streisand.
Streisand somehow they came there like I, you know, I'm
(10:15):
certainly she's, she's interacting on phones, but
she's, she's appeared in many, many.
Yeah, she gave up directing because, like, Yentel should
have won an Oscar for best something.
She should have won something. Yeah, because she's directed
enough. But, and they're good because I
read her 4000 page. So yeah, she gave up directing.
(10:39):
She was like, no one is going to, you know, no one likes a
white woman director so. Is is it Barbra Streisand?
He has the mall where she can just like it's like mall just
for her where she can go and pretend to be a normal person.
I don't. Know, but I need to know more
about this. Yeah, I I feel like they're,
(11:01):
there is like some sort of actress or singer or some like
massive celebrity who has a ballthat they, like actually hire
people. And whether this is apocryphal
or not, I don't know, Like they hire people to be like, you
know, shoppers who will just like, shop and not bother the
celebrity. So they could feel like a normal
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person. And I think it might be hurt.
She probably would have mentioned that her
autobiography. Shopping mall in her house.
Ohh. It is her own shopping mall
located in the basement of her Malibu home.
Host tiny storefronts. So yeah, and here's A Late Show
with Stephen Colbert episode 2 years ago, shopping at the tiny
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mall in Barbara's basement. OK, I will watch this and report
back. Right, okay.
Wait, this is the shit I love Andy.
Oh my God, right. Okay, I just love hearing stuff
like this. Small, Barbara.
And it feels like, you know, I mean like based on what I've
heard, but cause you cause you really enjoyed her
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autobiography, right it. Was I, I, I did.
I did, I yeah, I tried to read the book, but it was too heavy
for my hands. So I, I listened to it, I listen
to the song. I I like making you laugh at,
but I like the good chortle for me, Andy.
Ohh. So yeah.
(12:26):
So I did the audio book and it took me 4 years to listen to it.
But yeah, she's got, she's had quite a life.
I. And she really likes ice cream
and cloning her dogs, so. Ohh.
Yeah. My I have Next up because I'm
reading a book at the minute. But like, Next up, I have excuse
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me, Mel Brooks autobiography, and it's just started.
It started it. So excited for.
That I'm looking forward to it it's like he's a like warp.
He's a war veteran yeah, there are things like.
I mean granted he's what is he 99?
(13:09):
Please make it to 100 mill Brooks.
I know Space Balls 2 just finished they wrapped on
shooting. So thank God that that it's, you
know, it's, it's kind of like we're getting to, you know,
we're I'm sad that Robert Duvalljust died and he was like one of
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my favourite actors. And I just like one of my goals
in life was to meet Sean Penn, which worked out.
But my other goal was to meet Robert Duvall, like, in terms of
like favourite male actors that I respect.
And I, that didn't happen and I'm sad about it.
But I have his other Yeah, I have a, I have his autograph.
Um, yeah, that I know. That was really sad.
(13:59):
I was, I was, that was a tough one.
Like I, I thought, like, I do hope Mel Brooks makes it 100
though. Yeah, I remember people talking
about how incredible Betty Whitecomic comic timing was that she
nearly made it 100 and died likea day beforehand.
And like, basically all these, all these like publications had
all these things printed up ready to rock, you know, for
anyway, it's 100. And then she's just no, just.
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And it's like, that's good. It's good stuff, Betty.
The the thing like so there's a whole thing with Mel Brooks as
well. I don't know if you know this.
I'm sure I'll find out a bit more about this in his
autobiography. Like he produced a lot of like
film makers, kind of like important films in their career.
So like both for David Lynch andCronenberg, he he but he he
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wanted his name kept off the movies because he was like, I
think you're incredible film makers.
But I think if I my name's on here, it will like beat to the
department of the film. Like it will like, you know,
make it seem like it's it's a comedy or silly when it's
actually not, you know, so very,very cool guy.
Um, OK, so do you have any what's current for?
(15:07):
Us to do so we have our we have our top fan and I have not
talked to you about this ahead of time, but usually like once a
week I'll get a message and it'salways titled Bendy ketchup.
So I feel like it's time. I get similar.
I feel like it's time to like, allow her top fan to have his
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own a section called Bendy Ketchup.
OK, so this week's Bendy Ketchupfrom our top fan.
Love you buddy. Okay, so Andy and I, we not
accidentally we watched the movie True romance.
At some point you'll you'll get to hear that episode, but as
(15:52):
part of our Samuel Jackson weak.And then we realised that he was
only in it for 3 minutes. We were talking about like,
yeah, it's hard to find movies where Samuel Jackson is like the
main, main, main character. So Bendy, Ketchup says says
trying to think films where Sam Jackson is the lead and got the
(16:12):
Negotiator and 187. And I wondered if the problem
was these films were very thoroughly mediocre, as was
Black Snake, Moan, Snakes on a Plane, etcetera.
And he was cast as having established scene stealing
talents and impact and ensemble,supporting an OR and or
antagonistic roles instead. I think I that's really good
(16:35):
observation. I think what's interesting to
play him in particular is that he like he's too, he's too
charismatic, like it to be a leading man.
I think like leading men have tobe a little bit like, you know,
every man a little bit blonde and he's too interesting for
that. So I think that he's never.
He's not. He's not dadcore.
(16:57):
He's not that court. Ohh, I've had I have I have
thoughts that. Actually.
OK, good. I just did it because like, I
think I feel like, cause like, you know, I was talking a little
bit about no knowing what the name should be, but I think you
come up with a name for what it should be like in terms of this
idea of dads who want to watch movies where they're like, ohh,
(17:19):
you know what? If I've walked through a
different door, I could be this guy.
It should be called Dadcore as in DADCR.
PS. Yes, the way I was correctly
spelling yes before. Okay.
That's right. Yeah.
So that we should land on that. Watch out social media, because
we're going to spell it wrong, but.
(17:39):
The right way, watching on what's right for our core.
And I can make that happen. Yeah, I know all of our
merchandise needs a refresh. Yeah, we have it on our website
if anybody wants to buy anything.
That's true. That's true.
OK, anymore thoughts? Or should we get into this
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week's episode? I'm just going to say I've never
finished this movie. OK, the within the movie that
we're talking about is Paul. Fiction.
Maybe you're expecting true, true romance, but no, you're
getting pop. You're getting pulp.
Fiction. Just never.
(18:21):
Yeah, exactly. We're like, watch this movie for
next week. We're like, just kidding.
Yeah. And now we'll, we'll, you know,
we'll mostly be on point the rest of the time thing.
But, you know, these things happen, you know, and this is a
movie that I think does Samuel Jackson so much more justice.
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I mean, certainly probably the movie that really like kind of
launched him into full stardom. I think it was this and another
one of the Spike Lee movies, thename of which scares me right
now. But like, he is sensational in
this. He's so, so good that he's just
so watchable and you kind of missed him when he's not there.
I think a. Lot of guys and I, I started to
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get worried like halfway throughthe movie and I'm like, where is
he? Are we doing like are we gonna
have 10 minutes of Samuel L Jackson and then you know the
last chapter or whatever. I was like, okay, this is and it
ends with him and like all his whole, you know, God's speeches
and trying to figure, you know, yeah, So okay, quick synopsis.
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Um, I still I still I'm I I'm ina so soon sumitra.
I apologise if I'm saying your name incorrectly, but this
person wrote a quick synopsis onthe I MD web.
I I am DB. Sorry, that's a hard one.
(19:52):
Okay, well my own synopsis. I just wrote ball gags.
Yeah, it was. Bog eggs then that's what it's
about. I'm not really.
So Jules and Vincent are two hitmen who are out to retrieve a
suitcase stolen from their employer, mob boss Marcellus
Wallace. Wallace also has app has also
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asked Vincent to take his wife Mia out for a few for like a not
a date but like go take her out of the house.
While she, while he's away, and then also this other character
named Butch, who's an ageing boxer who's paid by Wallace to
lose his own fight. These lives, the lives of these
seemingly unrelated people, are woven together in a, you know,
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end of series of bizarre, funny,and or uncalled for incidents.
Certainly something more. Very.
Yeah. So.
Hence the the edgy. Yes, the edgy.
You know, top of the episode. So, you know, I'm really so
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like, Bath, you were talking about this ahead of time.
Are we talking about on the episode?
Who knows anymore? Like, Beth has not seen this all
the way through. I'm kind of really eager to get
her kind of final verdict. Obviously, we're gonna get
there. We're not gonna rush into it.
Ohh, yeah, I did. I did, and if not, I'm just
pretending. It's, I feel like for me it was
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like a has been a long time since I've watched it all the
way through. It would have been one of the
few, not few, but one of the VHStapes I would have had and I
would have ended up watching it a lot and probably ended up
buying a copy on DVD eventually.Too.
But I'm not happy. I'm not a big one on like
renting or like sorry not renting.
Rewatching films like I I I tendto just prefer to like see new
(21:48):
stuff if at all possible. So you have a podcast where you
rewatch films? I know, right?
But it's good for me because it does make me like go back and I
look at these things I never would have otherwise.
I mean, this, there's various things like for a while there,
the Marvel movies were such comfort movies for me.
I like Star Wars and things likethat.
But like, by and large I just had no real appetite for it.
(22:11):
Like but I think so. This is the first time I've
rewatched this in about 20 yearsand like it absurdly watchable.
I think. I mean, like, you know, we, you,
we can talk a little bit about the content and, you know, the
structure and things like that. But I think, you know, going
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through it again, you know, withthe benefit of hindsight and
thinking about the sticking partof so much of this film, it's
kind of staggering. Like the amount of like things
that are still memes that are still kind of referenced.
It's not there's so much. And, you know, regardless of
what you think about Quentin Tarantino is a filmmaker,
(22:52):
especially these days, I think the like war he made here was
like seismic, you know, it was like the the impact it has left
on Hollywood. It has, it's still impacting
Hollywood, you know, And yeah, it's kind of really kind of
fascinating going back to and, you know, I say 3 lot lands
(23:14):
through the lands, all the magnification of so much of this
film and going how does it then hold up even in that framework?
I, Yeah, so I asked, I didn't quite know that this was like, I
think this other than like Aliens, this is Mike's probably
second favourite movie. Cause last night he's just like
(23:35):
he couldn't. She was just like, you did not
wait for me. You did.
I could not. Right.
Granted he was like cracked out and tired, but I was like, well,
how many times have you seen it?He's like over 100.
I was like, what? He's like, yeah, this was like,
you know, a pinnacle movie. And then, you know, he's got his
own reasonings, but he was basically like, like my notes.
(23:56):
I was like, I love a good doublenegative.
You know me, so I wrote it's notnot interesting, right?
Like it's not. I mean it it as most of his
movies do, it kind of picks up at the middle.
So as long as you can get through the 1st like 45 minutes
of whatever and then all of a sudden something you're just
(24:17):
like, what the fuck, right? Which I always enjoy every movie
we have. Bunnies, Andy, There's a Bunny
in the yard. Wow, really?
His name is. Is it still raining?
Yeah. Yeah, sorry, I got sidetracked
anyways. But like I was saying that like
(24:39):
this movie basically like showedit's like, it's like a time
capsule of what Los Angeles was really like, you know, at the
time. It's it's, you know, and it's
like, I was like, was it like, did you have like, was it like,
(24:59):
I'm never going to look at a lone shop the same way ever
again, Right. So I was like, was it like
seedy? Was it, you know, I, I was like,
what do you mean? I was like, you know, until you
and I started dating, I'd never been to LA.
So like, other than like the movie LA story, I had no
reference point. And he was like, yeah, it's like
(25:19):
it really captures the the feeling of Los Angeles at that
time. And I don't know if that's good
or bad cause I was like, yeah, you know, they're not showing
you like the glamorous parts at all.
But I thought that was an interesting take so.
Like it's so fascinating, you know, in terms of what it's
trying to achieve. Like it's, you know, we're both,
(25:41):
you know it, you know, cause like at the start, I, I feel
like in so many other film makers hands, this would seem
really kind of hackneyed. But like the pulp thing, yeah,
you know, talk about the pulp isin the nature of like paper
itself and also the nature of the entertainment and being like
this is supposed to be this trashy exploitational sort of
(26:04):
like content anyway, you know. I mean, like it feels like, you
know, in terms of like a tone setter.
It feels so risky, you know, butlike he really kind of threads
and it'll quite nicely in that it is, you know, ultimately a
fairly trashy film in terms of like its subject matter.
But it really it it threads everything together really
(26:27):
intricately and really fascinating way, you know, and
like it's quite an achievement. I.
Think I would agree with that. Shall we talk a little bit about
the? Direction.
Yeah. Can I just circle back to what
you were saying about how, like there, you know, the memes and
you know, there's still so many like, references to this film in
(26:49):
all things and it's like, you know, all the electronica I ever
listen to, I'm like, Oh my God, this is that's from Pulp
Fiction. That's from Pulp.
I heard probably 10 different things that someone said where I
was like that. That's been in a remix song like
ohh. Not even just electronica like,
you know. Like so much like just in terms
(27:11):
of like even like you know, you remember like back in the day
you would get like skits betweenlike songs or like intros, yes,
even things like that for like allsorts of music.
Like it was not. Absolutely not.
I remember. Sorry, yes.
It's quite alright. I know I was gonna say I
remember like fun loving criminals and things about
having being heavily influenced by this, you know, and so on.
(27:33):
I even remember like I want to like obviously when we get to
the kind of music section of this, I want to talk more about
this genre, this really interesting stuff there.
But like, I think that I've completely lost the thread of.
Your idea? That's.
Cool. Alright, it's alright.
I'll come back to me. Alright, director, let's talk
(27:53):
about. WHO Director?
Quentin Tarantino. Ohh.
Who's this guy? Have you heard of this guy?
Have you seen this guy? Have you heard of?
This guy. And like 8, you know, it's funny
cause it's like, it's one of those things, you know, but it
was trying to write something down about him.
I just feel like he is so well, no one, It's like, what is there
(28:14):
to say? I feel like it should be noted,
you know, I, I suppose because Ikind of lived it.
I saw this film in the cinema and it was such a formative
experience for me because like, I really shouldn't have.
It was about 94 and I was like 15 and this was an 18 film and I
got in. Yeah.
So we were like, just between, like, like secondary school,
(28:35):
right? Yeah, yeah.
Exactly. So like I, you know, snuck in
and so this and like. 7 like what the fuck?
Ohh seven Yeah that was right. Same time.
Same sort of time all such formative movie wasn't like, I
think you know what I was reading my film magazines and
things like that and I was like I was dying to see action.
(28:56):
You know, I think I had seen Reservoir dogs on VHS beforehand
and I was just like so ready forit and so just so important to
me, you know so like, but I guess there are plenty of people
who don't really have, you know,understanding of him and who he
like and sort of the importance of this film.
But like, you don't even really Don Reservoir Dogs before this
in terms of like we talked, we talked a little bit about he has
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he has written scripts or he like worked in scripts prior to
this, but this kind of launched him into the stratosphere.
It was so enormous. It it was like the only film
anybody was really talking aboutthat year.
It just blew everything else away.
And yeah, it's just like, it's why I think you know, me and
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him, the director that basicallyeverybody knows, you know, it
was like so seismic. And he put himself in the movie.
He did put himself in the movie and I want to talk a little bit.
About that. And, like, just his dialogue
generally, but, you know, huge, like, absolutely huge.
So, yeah, I mean, like, I don't know that I'd be saying anything
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to you about Quentin Tarantino, but I think it's worth pointing
out just how like, you know, fardirector, I think very few
directors, even extremely successful ones, have movies
that are quite as big and impactful both for moviegoers
and both for the culture. And it's it's staggering to
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think about. So yeah, this was, you know,
absolutely his again launched him into the.
Strategy Do you think this is his best film?
No, okay. So we're probably going to have
get to do Tarantino month at some point.
Yeah, I think so. I think there's some interesting
stuff to talk about in there. You know, I think that, yeah,
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it's, it's so hard to like, you know, take step back and just
kind of like examine this as a film.
Do you know what I mean? Like it just feels like such a
again, such like, such a cultural thing, like just this
like cultural signpost that has just been like sat down in 1994.
And it just like time, time and existence kind of moves around
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it, you know, in such kind of odd ways.
It's completely mode, but yeah. So I can give you a little bit
of information about Tarantino. He basically, you know, I think
it's hard or, and I, I, I think more maybe we're recognising
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that, you know, it's who you know or who your parents are,
right? That gives you a little bit.
I don't want, I hate this like whole nepotism conversation
because this is how Hollywood has always worked.
And you know, someone, you know,said nepo babies.
And then it became a thing. So I but I do think that, you
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know, Quentin doesn't really cause, you know, we're friends.
So I can call him sure. I call him San Quentin.
It's just a joke. We have he and I not really
anyways, so it but he didn't have film training.
He was an unknown. Yes, he was working with.
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So he and Roger Avery worked together at the Video Archives
video store in Socal. And they were just like, maybe
we'll write a, you know, some scripts and, you know, put, put
some pen to paper or whatever. But he basically said, like, I
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didn't go to film school. Like, films were my school.
And I think that's an actual quote that he said and that I
didn't botch at all. That wasn't even in my notes,
people. So I just think it's interesting
that he really, you know, it's not that he came out of nowhere,
but like he did kind of come outof nowhere.
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Yeah. And, you know, he's honest about
the fact that he copies everybody and has copied
everything he's ever seen, but so does everybody else.
So I appreciate, you know, the homages to to all of the
different things that he likes or things are interesting, you
know, Elvis and rockabilly musicand you know, the the way that
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he it does see Los Angeles and you know, Los Angeles is its
own. We could just have a podcast
about that, that city. But it's just I yeah, I as a
filmmaker who you can watch a movie and know exactly without
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knowing who wrote or directed it.
You could be like I know who directed this which I like.
Absolutely. I mean there he statistically he
is very singular. I think there's very, I mean,
like you can, there are definitely other directors
you've tried to ape his style and some do okay, but it never
it it always feels like too muchof A RIP off.
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I think you know, um, yeah, so. I so I'm just want to talk, can
I talk a little bit about like why, what, how they came up with
the concept for the movie. So they, they originally wanted
to create like 3 short films with three different film
makers. So that would be Avery Tarantino
and they had a friend named AdamRifkin.
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So they wrote what would have been the first of the trilogies
and it doesn't matter anyways. They had these two other movies,
1 of being Reservoir Dogs and the other being True Romance.
They weren't quite sure what to do with Pulp Fiction, but, um,
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Avery and Tarantino kept moving it.
It was titled it Black the BlackMask originally.
A bit based probably on I'm guessing the GIMP maybe?
I don't know after. So there was like a crime
fiction magazine called that. That was like very pulpy.
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And then they were like, no, let's let's add more layers.
And Avery created the basic ideafor the gold watch storyline of
Pulp Fiction, which, you know, is kind of like things happen
because Bruce Willis character is like trying to find his dad's
watch that was passed down from,you know, grandfather, great
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grandfather to grandfather to his father.
And it was now his watch. And you know, everyone was
sneaking it around POW camps in their ass holes.
So there's no kind way I can saythat other than the way I just
said it. So I don't know.
I think it's just a lot of, my guess is they're probably
getting really high and like writing stuff down and, and you
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know, here, here we are. I think that like, you know,
there is a, you know, you know, the idea that like alter theory
is completely ridiculous. And I think it is like, you know
what it's, it's, it's all about timing and place and like the
people that you meet and the talents that they bring to
something, you know. And I think that like, as I kind
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of looked at this, you know, I was also, you know, music in
particular is so important. You know, I'd like to this like
hugely important. And it's another thing that kind
of just changed the game completely.
Brought back a genre too, I think that either people had
never heard or you know. An absolute revival.
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I think of of like, so of like afew different kinds of music.
I think you know, and so I thinkthat like, you know, there is
something up like that whole mixture and like you know, and
like and also just like timing unlock in terms of like making
that thing work. And like you say, you know,
going through a few draughts of what this thing might look like
and then it just kind of fittingtogether because I even like
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know, you know, in terms of like, first of all, this
involvement, like he took a big reduction in terms of like, you
know, why he normally gets paid because he liked the script so
much and how important that was to kind of like get the film
both finance and like, you know,possession it for marketing and
things. You know, it's like so many
things have to come together to make this film the success that
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it was. I think, you know, it's it's
very interesting. So do you want to talk about
music? That is something that cause
like, you know, as much as I like Tarantino is like, I don't
know what to say about this guy.That hasn't been said
particularly relating to this film.
But I think looking into this, there wasn't a composure as
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such. The important person on this was
the music supervisor called Karen Rachman.
And I thought this was way and this is something I'd never
really looked at before and was I found way more interesting.
And she's one of the most influential music supervisors of
all time. And what's the music supervisor,
you may ask? I asked myself the same question
long ago. It's basically somebody who both
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suggests songs for films and also negotiates the contracts
and the rights for those songs to make sure they can be cleared
and used for films. So she really fascinating
individual. Like, I mean, I was, I was kind
of like an intuitive business basically.
She worked for the head of musicfor Cannon Films.
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Then kind of like their own thing started working as a music
supervisor on all their smaller films like Texas Mass Texas
Chainsaw Massacre 2. Um, but her sort of like launch
to kind of like major, kind of like, I guess relevance on like
becoming one of the biggest of all time was with rest of our
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dogs where Tarantino really wanted stuck in the middle with
you. His the guy that he was or the
person that he was working with couldn't make it happen.
He met her, she made it happen and they just had this had this
connection then. And then she continued to kind
of work with him in his films. But like the soundtrack for like
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Pulp Fiction, the soundtrack forlike Reservoir Dogs as well were
so successful that they ended upby also helping like fun the
film and things film and film and things like that as well.
So yeah, it's really, really like she became then like off
the back of this, you know, thisthe, the soundtrack for this
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alone sold 4 million. Copies had I had I had the
soundtrack and it had like the quotes in the in that yes and
and I didn't again I hadn't everfinished the movie but.
And then she just became like soimportant, like, and I think she
then changed the game in terms of like what music soundtracks
were that they could be something viable as you know,
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apart from a movie in terms of like, you know, cause like, you
know, you have some tracks, but they weren't, they weren't in
this van. They weren't filled with cool
music. A lot of times they were scores
and stuff, which can be great, but don't have that sort of like
it factor. I think that the.
Music. I'm going to pop this in my CD
player. Yeah, get it out of my CD.
Okay, For those of you who are younger than, I don't know, Andy
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and I like we used to have like CD books.
I got mine out the other night and I was like, kids go through
this cause they were, you know, like trying to get some new
music. And I was like, I have this
whole like this is what we used to carry around.
And do you remember just like driving your car and the CD with
like Zing off the seat and you'dbe like trying to drive and try
to like find this like really slippery CD?
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Yeah, yeah. Ohh, yeah.
I don't miss those days in some ways, though in other ways I do
miss them because, you know, then we owned our, we owned the
music that we like and, you know, whatever the fuck we're
doing these days. That's so interesting.
So do they do? They did is did they continue to
work together. They seemed like they did like
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but they think she then became because she did this on reality
bites and the scene. Yeah, I had that.
Massive. And then she went on to do like
tonnes of other stuff. So I think like she did some
other work with him, but she then went on to become like one
of the most kind of sought aftermusical supervisors in the
industry. So I think she just did tonnes
of other stuff, you know? Um, so I think.
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It's interesting. I was looking through like,
okay, like favourite actors and like who acted in this?
And I'm, I'm, I'm noticing there's like, and I, I know I
was doing some reading around this, like John Travolta hadn't
had a hit in a very long time, right?
Bruce Willis had done a couple things, but like nothing was
really picking up for him. I'm not sure about Christopher
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Walken. I feel like he's a gift and
anytime we get to see him, but Ifeel like whoever the casting
director was and they did a they, I just the fact that we
got to see like, I remember it being such a big deal that like
John Travolta danced in this movie because he was in Saturday
Night Fever and like he spent a year getting ready for that and
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like he's a phenomenal dancer and that was like such a big
deal. Cause this was like, cause like
he was coming off like the look Who's talking movies.
You know what? I.
Mean it was like looking look who's talking too, right?
You saw that? Like he was still a boy, but he
wasn't like he wasn't his star was like kind of like going down
and this just like hectic, right?
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Back and it put them in, put himin a role and it's like now I'm
seeing I'm like, you know, you see the stickers of like him and
Samuel L Jackson's character andit'll just be their outlines.
But you know, like who it is, right?
So putting them together, it needs scenes just like it's
just, yeah, good casting. And there's the the the clip of
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him, you know, going into me. Wallace is house and like,
looking around confused is stillused as a I don't know what the
Hell's going on sort of meme, you know?
Yes, I also, there was, I was watching something, listening to
something. I can't remember, but it was
like, you know, there's a scene where John Travolta's like
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buying heroin and then he fixes the heroin and then he takes the
heroin and it's like everyone who has done heroin in that time
period or after, like that's their reference point for how
to, to, to do heroin. Like, ohh.
I learned from watching Pulp Fiction.
Did you tell me that? No, but I think I feel like we.
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Yeah. But like it's so interesting to
me that that was so influential in terms of like heroin.
Yes, that's. Why?
Yeah. Truly.
Yeah. And I, I was trying to think
there was a shoot. I'm not, I'm not gonna go there
cause I can't remember the movie, but it was a gut.
There was a Gus Van Sant movie, Drugstore Cowboy that was filmed
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in Portland, OR where I used to live, but that I thought was
like at that at the time, that was like kind of the the most
like referenced. Like, I don't know, I don't know
what it came out. I'll stop talking about that.
But I'll just say there's so many good at like Ving Rhames
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was in this movie. God rest his soul.
Missed that man RIP. Stocked cost is off.
It's like. It really it's yeah.
And it's just interesting how many other, you know, like there
was that the the heroin dealer was written for John Cusack, but
he turned it down South. It's like there was, you know,
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it was just interesting. I feel like, you know, it
really, casting really does matter.
And this is like, other than onecharacter that we can talk
about, this was perfectly cast. Yes, 100%.
And so we talk a little bit about, I'm also wary that like
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the time or are we? Picking the time.
Ohh, wow. OK.
We're good like that. One of the things I want I
noticed that I have not spotted before there was a few different
things was that Danny DeVito wasan executive producer of this.
I apparently had a huge part in getting amid like he like
shopped around like lots of studios because a lot of people
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find it too to think violent andthings like that.
And probably had like a really kind of solid career as a as a
producer like throughout the 90son into the 2000s as well.
He appeared. First, because he and Rita
Pearlman, I know they're still married, but not together
anymore. I just like when they appear.
It's always such a treat. It is.
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And I love that now he's now, I know he's like working in the
behind the scenes. Yeah, it's great.
Like really is nice and I think like I in terms of things that I
don't think Java is great is like I thought the dialogue is
zippy and it feels like, you know, vital and like alive.
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But I feel like the kind of casual racism really has the
aged terribly as a sort of like look how kind of cool we are.
It just felt it feels very kind of like it feels a little try
hard. I think maybe a lot try hard,
you know, but like it, you know,maybe that is how some people
talk back then, but it just it Ifeel like it has aids pretty
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terribly you. Know I think the only person
that could say anything like that that's allowed to
absolutely do whatever and say whatever he wants is Samuel
Jackson so but other than that Ithink.
Yes, like Ozzy star making turn for him.
I like he appeared with many things before, but he is just so
charismatic in this and like he is just like I think putting the
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two of them together, like you say and like them talking is
just like it is cinematic gold. You just like it's so here in
the here and there here in his writing or everybody's writing
coming out of their mouths is just magic.
It really is. Do you want to hear facts?
Absolutely. So, um, so the passage from the
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Bible that Jules has memorised was mostly made-up by Tarantino
and Samuel Jackson. So the first part of about the
righteous man and the tyranny ofthe evil men is not real, which
almost makes it better in my eyes.
However, the second-half and I will strike down upon thee with
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great vengeance and furious anger, and you will know my name
is the Lord. And When I Lay My Vengeance Upon
Thee is actually a direct quote from Ezekiel 2517.
So yeah. And this actually, it's likely
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that Tarantino put this in because there's a a film called
The Bodyguard Kiba that he loves.
It's 1973 film and it's a quote in that almost word for word.
And he loved that movie. And so I think he just put that
in in this. But yeah, I I liked that element
of Samuel L Jackson's character,just like this is my catch
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phrase when I murder people. And then he's like starts
thinking it through. And then the end scene of him
like deciding, you know, am I? No.
Am I the Am I vengeance? Or, you know, do I wanna walk
the earth and just be peaceful? I I think thought that, you
know, that sort of extended sortof bed of him talking and him in
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one of the first going to the apartment doing all the talking
is just like pure magic. You know, like, you know, the
way he kind of handles the room,unlike, you know, the kind of
quiet par and like, you know, even whenever he's like doing
the whole sort of like friendly thing, like the quiet kind of
manus in there is just so powerful.
You always know that at any moment he is capable of murder
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and it's in every and yeah, I, I'm, I'm here for it.
Okay, so the movies line, you know what they call 1/4 Pounder
with cheese and Paris? They call it a Royale with
Cheese, was voted as the number 81st of the greatest movie lines
by premier. Yeah.
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And in terms of the ones that you could you could pick, you
know, Yeah, yeah, I like these are so many.
Like, I mean, they're like, you know, for a film, they even have
a couple of iconic lines Is good, but there's.
Like there's 20 or? 30 iconic lines in this film.
But like they have McDonald's inFrench Polynesia where we go for
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vacation. And so like they still, it's
like Royale with cheese. It's on the thing, it's still
there. And like, you know, for those of
Kevin Smith fans or whatever, like the Superette they call it,
they have the Super rates there,but they're called less
superette. So I don't know.
And I think we have court, I think they're called, there are
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quarters here, which is interesting because like we do
know what a point is, but there it's not used as much.
That's really cheap and I don't know which is more catchy, but
um, okay, so let's see. It costs only 8 million to make.
Ohh, nice. And it was lower, but then they
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added Bruce Willis, but he was like, I'll take very little
money. And so 5 million of the 8
million would pay salaries and then everything else was, you
know, produce or, you know, making the movie.
So it grows over 2,000,200 million at the box office.
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I can see. You.
I know. Absolutely insane.
Okay, this this I really liked. This is hopefully this is a fun
fact that most people don't know.
So when shooting the film, Quentin created the summary of
Mia's TV show Foxworth 5 only for the passing by conversation
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between me and Vincent. And it was with Thurman, who was
actually like Quentin. You could actually make that
into a movie. So between takes and like
between rehearsals, he made a full movie based on the Fox
Force 5 characters and that became the story and the script
(52:00):
for Kill Bill. That makes sense.
Yeah, okay, love it. Yeah, because I remember hearing
that they were like talking about the the whatever the
project would work under presenttogether for ages, but I didn't
realise that was the direct influence.
But yeah, I can absolutely say. It it's Uber.
That makes sense. Thank you, Beth Thurman.
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OK. Do you have any others for?
US, I mean, shout out to Ireland.
So the character of Trudy, who lives with the heroin dealer.
Apologies if I say this incorrectly, but Brianna
Gallagher Brianna can be seen wearing AT shirt of Irish rugby
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and the Frames. She appeared in the commitments
in 91 with Glen Hansard, who's the lead singer of the Frames,
which I didn't know. And now you have to go like
hunt, hunt them down on Spotify.They became friends and she
promised him that she would weara Frames T-shirt if she got the
part in the movie. So she did a solid.
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So yeah, go go Ireland. Yay.
Yeah, yeah, I kind of forgot shewas on this mean.
She she barely does anything in it, but it was kind of
interesting to see. I was like ohh.
Yeah, ohh. And it was Samuel Jack in this
only Oscar nominated role. He has an honorary Oscar, but I
don't know if that's like an honorary PhD or doctorate or
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whatever. So, but it they were basically
just like you're cool. Oh, oh, I also, I have some a
couple, I have a few Samuel Jackson facts, but we can get
there. Okay, so um, okay, so he was the
first security guard of the Manhattan Plaza apartment
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complex. And it's like an artist
community, like in their families.
So he was opening doors for Alicia Keys and Timothy Shamlin
Shamley, who grew up there. He is accomplished at playing
brass instruments. So he plays the French horn of
the trumpet from in school Symphony orchestras from grades
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three through great grades 12, which is a long time.
Like, he can probably pick it back up and rock it.
He's great friends with British actor Simon Pegg.
I'm so jealous to. I want to be in the room where
that happens. The Hamilton reference for
anyone that is not OK. And this is one other fun, fun
fact. Due to his prominent stature
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within the film industry, he is accorded a clause and all of his
movie contracts that guarantee some easy access to golf courses
no matter where the location shoot happens to be.
Cause they stand there all fucking Jackson.
Wow. Very, very.
So I need to know, you know, once, once, you know, in this
(55:02):
six months, once we're rich and famous.
Well, it'll be interesting to see what our your podcast clause
is, Andy. That's going to be it's going to
be really, really, really intense.
Okay, so shall we get to our final we section of the podcast?
First things first, 2 digit fit here the best.
(55:24):
If it's in the movie, I think like cough, for me, I I've I've
read on pumpkin, like I think the kind of pumpkin is in like
Tim Ross character, because I love this shirt and it was kind
of Hawaiian shirt, but certainlythe kind of the kind of suits,
the kind of, you know, black suit, black tie, white shirts or
it's such an iconic look as well, like Vince Vega has did
(55:47):
like little sort of, you know, what do you call those neck
ties? I have one.
I love them. You know the the kind of.
Western bolo type. Yeah, I thought that was great.
But I think it goes to pumpkin for me.
I think it has to. He was incredible, incredible
look. The Andes Audible acting award.
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I don't think there was any animals.
Our mansion, I couldn't think ofany.
Like nothing prominent enough that it's that the reward went
in. So sorry guys, nobody's getting
it this week, all right? And not KISS.
I mean the gift visit. The gift camp yeah it was kind
of an all these dirty animal I so in terms of revisit remember
(56:31):
refuse or redo what are. You know.
I'm really eager. Yeah, I, I, I was going into
this being like, Tarantino is not my jam.
This is a pointless movie. It doesn't have a fucking point.
I left it being like, I would absolutely watch this again.
(56:57):
Yeah, love. It yeah, love it.
So I I would I not saying I agree with him as a human being
cause I love me some Paul Dano. And also I did not appreciate
his character in this movie. I think it could have been
better cast. Sorry, Quinton.
I'm sorry, but like, yeah, that's.
True. I wonder how indicative it is of
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him as a person that you know, like, I think it probably speaks
to that. He's that sort of guy.
Yeah, I mean, I appreciate it when it's like Stan Lee just
making a 32nd appearance or likehe's on a newspaper.
Like a little embarrassed yourself is fun.
Like, you know, Alfred Hitchcockdid that too, but I, I don't, I
love, I I prefer him as a director, writer and not as an
(57:42):
actor. I don't know it.
Maybe I'll rewatch From Dusk Till Dawn and I just wanna
punch. Like, yeah, I know his, Yeah,
he's could have, could have. No, I think yeah, I think you're
right. He's definitely better as a
director and writer than the than an actor for sure.
I think this is an easy revisit for me.
Like, you know, even going into I was looking at the wrong time
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and you know how much I had a long run time these days was
like for fuck this fucking nearly 2 1/2 hours.
But it was an easy breezy 2 1/2 hours.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Like sometimes if I'm really
kind of like tight for time, I would like second screen a
movie. But like I really I was thinking
about this like, but I really enjoyed it and it was yeah, it
just just a great just like really kind of you know, in
(58:29):
terms of like there are some knots things in there,
absolutely knots things in there, some violence and some
like other kind of unpleasantness.
But like it is just a really energetic, really kind of like
vibrant, you know, kind of placeHispanic couple of ours.
So yeah, definitely an. Easy read, but also like you
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were talking about like, you know, the the dialogue between
the characters, which I loved, but also the dialogue of the
characters juxtaposition with the actions that they then
perform that have like you see them as human beings because
they're having conversations andthen you see them as different
human beings because they're doing horrible things.
(59:11):
And it's just like, that was such an interesting, you know, I
don't even know what Yeah, yeah,it's that.
It's just that's a that's a Tinostyle thing, I think.
And I like. It I think they feel like more
complete people and both, you know, the horrible and the good
ways, you know, and I think that's something that like was
(59:34):
felt fairly fresh at the time. Certainly it has happened
before. But like, I think, you know, it
felt very kind of warts and all in terms of like the portrayal
of people. And I think that was a rarity,
you know. But yeah.
But yeah, fascinating movie and one I'm glad we revisited.
And also nice way to kind of capoff or something Jackson season
because he is absolutely spectacular in it.
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Okay, Sue. We are moving into our new theme
for next month for March, which is going to be Irish American
Month, which we're excited for and we already have some ideas
for this. But if you have any ideas at
home for things that you would like to, I'd like us to watch
that will be part of this. That would be great.
(01:00:18):
And are kind of like and as we're still trying to do like,
you know, crossover episodes. So that features last weeks or
last months topic on next month's topic.
So next month or next week? Good.
What's happened? With it's OK.
Is next week is going to be loaded weapon and if you're like
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hold on a minute Andy, how is this Irish American.
With a crossover, the Samuel Jackson.
Crossover. You've got a chin in next week
to find out. So yeah.
So if you want to watch at home,our next our next movie is going
to be Loaded Weapon. No, sorry, National Lampoons
Loaded Weapon. Loaded weapon one.
(01:01:02):
That one, yes, which we'll talk about next time.
We forgot joy, but I'm gonna letit go this week.
Darren, we need some gunfire here at the end.
Well, those really bad. Okay, love you guys.
Love you. Bye.
In a world where two friends decided to watch movies from
their youth, then decided to start a podcast about it, we
present to you The movie Test ofTime, a podcast about the only
medium that matters, the movies presenting your hosts, America's
sweetheart Beth Martin and Irishruffian Aliya Batha.
(00:23):
Pleasure as always. What's the?
Crack. So edgy.
I like the kids get their science projects to the science
fair. This.
Morning, right? And it was raining and I wear
raincoat and I was like, I'll drive you.
Edgy and you like and you, but you drove really fast and you
were like handbrake turns and stuff like that and and so on
(00:44):
and so forth and and swore and swore a lot whenever they were
out of earshot, obviously. Ohh, I mean that definitely
there can always within earshot.Mikes decided that Charles can
say because he's 9 now, he can say crap, and because Harper,
then she can say shit. Damn crap.
(01:04):
Nice, nice, nice. Yeah, that makes.
Sense cause yeah, so apparently,and he's thought this all
through. So Mike's home from Oxford.
Uh, there's no plug here. So are you?
I have a Stanley. Drinker from that.
Earlier I have fucking, I bent the knee for the Stanley mug
(01:26):
cause Mike was like, do you wantthe Stanley mug?
Cause he's like everything is. They put the logo for Oxford on
everything. And I was like, you know what?
Yes, I want the Oxford Stanley fucking water mug.
Why? Not cause.
You know no one else is like, how many people in America have
this? None.
It's so it's superstitious and Imean, it's like it's also kind
(01:47):
of like such a clot, Like it's, you know, it really, you know,
epitomises our podcast. It's like this combination
Stanley Cups I think of as an American thing at Oxford is zinc
as as English as it comes, you know?
Yeah, Are as British as it comes.
Yeah, whatever. But so yeah, he ohh, I was like,
(02:08):
you know, he, he's like got in super late last, not super late
like 7 whatever had dinner. He stayed up till 10.
He was, he's I think he'd been up for like 2 days.
So he started like not really making sense.
He's still sleeping. But you know, we were just chit
chatting and I was like, how wasOxford?
He was like, I was good. And I was like, ohh, yeah.
(02:30):
I watched all of all of Pulp Fiction, like in one sitting
today and he was like, what the fuck?
And I was like, what do you mean?
And he's like, I've been tellingyou that you needed to watch
because he's like, you've never seen the movie, like ever in one
sitting or like. Do.
You know that you saw the endingand I was like what?
(02:50):
Like no, you know, you know, like I have started it probably
like 30 times then got bored andwatered away.
So he was very it's. Like the the the things that
this podcast is. Making I know all the way.
Through and like, I mean, you know, I think this is tight
straight, but it's like, I ultimately gets me whenever you
(03:13):
tell somebody you haven't seen something and they're like,
what? And I'm like, yeah, it's almost
as if I'm a human with a different life than yours,
right? Different.
Experience like I've known you since the last Millennium.
What the fuck. So very mad that I didn't wait
to watch it with him, but I was like, it's like you, you could
have changed the timing like Andy would have understood.
(03:36):
So anyways, we do what we want. Sorry, Mike, Exactly.
You don't listen to the podcast,so whatever.
We are, we are, we are both edgyand problematic and we just
watch what we want when we. Want no matter how tiny
feelings, it hurts anyway. How are you?
Where I took bath, I was just kind of gonna get over another
(03:59):
sickness. I think like my 4th sickness in
six months. I am over sicknesses.
I think I I didn't, it's kind ofmaking up.
I feel like the two years prior to that I was barely sick at
all. So I think just they're coming
for me now. They're taking their sweet.
Revenge or sickness there? It is my sickness era and I am
glad it seems to be coming to anend because I actually have
energy today, which is nice. Few other things have been
(04:23):
happening so and unfortunately Inever got the opportunity to
take you there whenever you cameover to visit.
But I've talked about my local yoga studio.
It's the one I've sent you the video from before that basically
was overlooking the castle in my.
Time. And I was like the what?
You're like the castle. And I was like the castle, yeah.
Yeah, I. And you guys, they those who
(04:46):
don't know, just Google like Carrickfergus Castle.
It's. It's a thing of beauty.
It's beautiful. I couldn't be bothered to pay
the money to go walk inside, butwe sure didn't walk up to the
front and peered in. That's that's enough.
Like I think it's kind of overwhelming and the inside of
it is fine, but it's fairly underwhelming anyway.
(05:08):
Yeah, so. You could have like yoga
retreats and a fucking castle Andy.
The, the, the work, because whenever I was doing stuff with
the choir, we had tried to figure out how we could sing in
there and it was just such a nightmare that it was just, we
quickly dropped the idea becauseit was so such a big headache.
Because it is a listed building,You know, it's, I think we have
(05:31):
the historical, historical importance, things like that.
So anyway, that's you that is overlooking the castle and they
are moving and it's bittersweet.I am so happy that they are
moving to this new place. But I have such fond memories of
that studio in particular, that room in particular, you know,
(05:52):
like on a good day when you can see the castle, the sea, the sun
shining, it's one of the most magical places to, you know, to
do yoga. And I'm just going to miss it,
you know? So like, I attended my last
class and there over the weekend.
I'm going to help with the move to the new studio over the
weekend and the weekend comment.But it's just, you know, I think
(06:16):
I also do this a lot myself whenever like there are big
changes, I end up getting quite wistful and you know,
remembering not always in a negative way, but remembering
all the nice things, but also, you know, the good on the bus
and like, you know, the body's in like, you know, maybe inside
about about change and things like that, about missing the
(06:37):
place. And was fullness but like more
depressing. Find a word for that Internet or
or tell fans, come on. There's, there's gotta be 1.
I think. I, I think there is one and
it's, it's not coming. Like it's, it's in the, it's in
my brain somewhere. I also I'm getting, you know,
(06:59):
being sick, being depressed little I mean, I'm not super
depressed, but depressed ish andI was like, you know, I'll
watch, I'll watch dime. I love the the movie starring.
Ohh, we haven't forgot her name Now that's terrible.
I know what you're talking about.
(07:21):
Um, Jennifer Lawrence. Jennifer Lawrence.
Yes, where she's like post. Post post Natal, it's basically
a movie about post Natal depression and you know.
You can't have babies, dude. You know, you would definitely
have personal depression. Ohh, 100% no, like, but you
(07:46):
know, really good movie, but also like tough a tough watch.
And also it's, you know, it's like one of those things where,
um, it it I think like it's she in particular as director Lynne
Ramsay is very good at like depicting things without maybe
kind of like not an obvious way.So like by the use of camera
(08:08):
angles or lighting or whatever, you know, and it's such a kind
of like insight into somebody's mind without being very kind of
showy about it. So like, what a wonderful piece
of film making and a movie I'm glad I saw.
But yeah, it was, it was a toughride, it really was.
Who's her? It's her and Robert Pattinson,
(08:31):
right? It is our Pats.
I'm not getting ever used that again.
Sorry dude. Also, Nick Nolte, like
instantly, just a sprinkling, a sprinkling of Nick Nolte.
He's not in it much, but he's when he's in it.
All this shit, Yeah. But he like, cause he's doing a
(08:51):
thing where he's like, you know,he's playing this kind of old,
sort of kind of kind of frail sort of guy.
And you know, he does a very like he, he's, he's, he's very
good. And it was.
It was nice. Have you ever seen the Prince of
Tides? I don't.
I haven't. Seen it.
Yeah, we might want to add that to the list actually.
OK. He's really, it's a really good
(09:14):
movie. He is so good in it, so it's
like it, and he plays a very sympathetic character dealing
with some very hard issues. It's the book is better than the
movie, and it's him and Barbra Streisand, but it works.
I don't know. I was going to say that's that's
a Barbra Streisand everything. So that's whenever, whenever,
(09:34):
whenever. We do.
It's really, it's our Bob also has this house, you know, in
the, like, low country meeting. Like, you know, I don't know if
it's like the Outer Banks or something, but like the beach
house is right on the ocean. And they're all like frolicking.
And it reminded me of my childhood.
And I was like, that's that's the house.
(09:54):
That's the house that I want to live in where wherever it is,
like I'll buy it. Not really, but yeah.
I love it, Yeah. I yeah, whenever, say whenever
we do our Barbra Streisand season.
We have to. Streisand.
Streisand somehow they came there like I, you know, I'm
(10:15):
certainly she's, she's interacting on phones, but
she's, she's appeared in many, many.
Yeah, she gave up directing because, like, Yentel should
have won an Oscar for best something.
She should have won something. Yeah, because she's directed
enough. But, and they're good because I
read her 4000 page. So yeah, she gave up directing.
(10:39):
She was like, no one is going to, you know, no one likes a
white woman director so. Is is it Barbra Streisand?
He has the mall where she can just like it's like mall just
for her where she can go and pretend to be a normal person.
I don't. Know, but I need to know more
about this. Yeah, I I feel like they're,
(11:01):
there is like some sort of actress or singer or some like
massive celebrity who has a ballthat they, like actually hire
people. And whether this is apocryphal
or not, I don't know, Like they hire people to be like, you
know, shoppers who will just like, shop and not bother the
celebrity. So they could feel like a normal
(11:21):
person. And I think it might be hurt.
She probably would have mentioned that her
autobiography. Shopping mall in her house.
Ohh. It is her own shopping mall
located in the basement of her Malibu home.
Host tiny storefronts. So yeah, and here's A Late Show
with Stephen Colbert episode 2 years ago, shopping at the tiny
(11:44):
mall in Barbara's basement. OK, I will watch this and report
back. Right, okay.
Wait, this is the shit I love Andy.
Oh my God, right. Okay, I just love hearing stuff
like this. Small, Barbara.
And it feels like, you know, I mean like based on what I've
heard, but cause you cause you really enjoyed her
(12:05):
autobiography, right it. Was I, I, I did.
I did, I yeah, I tried to read the book, but it was too heavy
for my hands. So I, I listened to it, I listen
to the song. I I like making you laugh at,
but I like the good chortle for me, Andy.
Ohh. So yeah.
(12:26):
So I did the audio book and it took me 4 years to listen to it.
But yeah, she's got, she's had quite a life.
I. And she really likes ice cream
and cloning her dogs, so. Ohh.
Yeah. My I have Next up because I'm
reading a book at the minute. But like, Next up, I have excuse
(12:49):
me, Mel Brooks autobiography, and it's just started.
It started it. So excited for.
That I'm looking forward to it it's like he's a like warp.
He's a war veteran yeah, there are things like.
I mean granted he's what is he 99?
(13:09):
Please make it to 100 mill Brooks.
I know Space Balls 2 just finished they wrapped on
shooting. So thank God that that it's, you
know, it's, it's kind of like we're getting to, you know,
we're I'm sad that Robert Duvalljust died and he was like one of
(13:36):
my favourite actors. And I just like one of my goals
in life was to meet Sean Penn, which worked out.
But my other goal was to meet Robert Duvall, like, in terms of
like favourite male actors that I respect.
And I, that didn't happen and I'm sad about it.
But I have his other Yeah, I have a, I have his autograph.
Um, yeah, that I know. That was really sad.
(13:59):
I was, I was, that was a tough one.
Like I, I thought, like, I do hope Mel Brooks makes it 100
though. Yeah, I remember people talking
about how incredible Betty Whitecomic comic timing was that she
nearly made it 100 and died likea day beforehand.
And like, basically all these, all these like publications had
all these things printed up ready to rock, you know, for
anyway, it's 100. And then she's just no, just.
(14:22):
And it's like, that's good. It's good stuff, Betty.
The the thing like so there's a whole thing with Mel Brooks as
well. I don't know if you know this.
I'm sure I'll find out a bit more about this in his
autobiography. Like he produced a lot of like
film makers, kind of like important films in their career.
So like both for David Lynch andCronenberg, he he but he he
(14:45):
wanted his name kept off the movies because he was like, I
think you're incredible film makers.
But I think if I my name's on here, it will like beat to the
department of the film. Like it will like, you know,
make it seem like it's it's a comedy or silly when it's
actually not, you know, so very,very cool guy.
Um, OK, so do you have any what's current for?
(15:07):
Us to do so we have our we have our top fan and I have not
talked to you about this ahead of time, but usually like once a
week I'll get a message and it'salways titled Bendy ketchup.
So I feel like it's time. I get similar.
I feel like it's time to like, allow her top fan to have his
(15:30):
own a section called Bendy Ketchup.
OK, so this week's Bendy Ketchupfrom our top fan.
Love you buddy. Okay, so Andy and I, we not
accidentally we watched the movie True romance.
At some point you'll you'll get to hear that episode, but as
(15:52):
part of our Samuel Jackson weak.And then we realised that he was
only in it for 3 minutes. We were talking about like,
yeah, it's hard to find movies where Samuel Jackson is like the
main, main, main character. So Bendy, Ketchup says says
trying to think films where Sam Jackson is the lead and got the
(16:12):
Negotiator and 187. And I wondered if the problem
was these films were very thoroughly mediocre, as was
Black Snake, Moan, Snakes on a Plane, etcetera.
And he was cast as having established scene stealing
talents and impact and ensemble,supporting an OR and or
antagonistic roles instead. I think I that's really good
(16:35):
observation. I think what's interesting to
play him in particular is that he like he's too, he's too
charismatic, like it to be a leading man.
I think like leading men have tobe a little bit like, you know,
every man a little bit blonde and he's too interesting for
that. So I think that he's never.
He's not. He's not dadcore.
(16:57):
He's not that court. Ohh, I've had I have I have
thoughts that. Actually.
OK, good. I just did it because like, I
think I feel like, cause like, you know, I was talking a little
bit about no knowing what the name should be, but I think you
come up with a name for what it should be like in terms of this
idea of dads who want to watch movies where they're like, ohh,
(17:19):
you know what? If I've walked through a
different door, I could be this guy.
It should be called Dadcore as in DADCR.
PS. Yes, the way I was correctly
spelling yes before. Okay.
That's right. Yeah.
So that we should land on that. Watch out social media, because
we're going to spell it wrong, but.
(17:39):
The right way, watching on what's right for our core.
And I can make that happen. Yeah, I know all of our
merchandise needs a refresh. Yeah, we have it on our website
if anybody wants to buy anything.
That's true. That's true.
OK, anymore thoughts? Or should we get into this
(18:01):
week's episode? I'm just going to say I've never
finished this movie. OK, the within the movie that
we're talking about is Paul. Fiction.
Maybe you're expecting true, true romance, but no, you're
getting pop. You're getting pulp.
Fiction. Just never.
(18:21):
Yeah, exactly. We're like, watch this movie for
next week. We're like, just kidding.
Yeah. And now we'll, we'll, you know,
we'll mostly be on point the rest of the time thing.
But, you know, these things happen, you know, and this is a
movie that I think does Samuel Jackson so much more justice.
(18:41):
I mean, certainly probably the movie that really like kind of
launched him into full stardom. I think it was this and another
one of the Spike Lee movies, thename of which scares me right
now. But like, he is sensational in
this. He's so, so good that he's just
so watchable and you kind of missed him when he's not there.
I think a. Lot of guys and I, I started to
(19:04):
get worried like halfway throughthe movie and I'm like, where is
he? Are we doing like are we gonna
have 10 minutes of Samuel L Jackson and then you know the
last chapter or whatever. I was like, okay, this is and it
ends with him and like all his whole, you know, God's speeches
and trying to figure, you know, yeah, So okay, quick synopsis.
(19:29):
Um, I still I still I'm I I'm ina so soon sumitra.
I apologise if I'm saying your name incorrectly, but this
person wrote a quick synopsis onthe I MD web.
I I am DB. Sorry, that's a hard one.
(19:52):
Okay, well my own synopsis. I just wrote ball gags.
Yeah, it was. Bog eggs then that's what it's
about. I'm not really.
So Jules and Vincent are two hitmen who are out to retrieve a
suitcase stolen from their employer, mob boss Marcellus
Wallace. Wallace also has app has also
(20:15):
asked Vincent to take his wife Mia out for a few for like a not
a date but like go take her out of the house.
While she, while he's away, and then also this other character
named Butch, who's an ageing boxer who's paid by Wallace to
lose his own fight. These lives, the lives of these
seemingly unrelated people, are woven together in a, you know,
(20:38):
end of series of bizarre, funny,and or uncalled for incidents.
Certainly something more. Very.
Yeah. So.
Hence the the edgy. Yes, the edgy.
You know, top of the episode. So, you know, I'm really so
(20:59):
like, Bath, you were talking about this ahead of time.
Are we talking about on the episode?
Who knows anymore? Like, Beth has not seen this all
the way through. I'm kind of really eager to get
her kind of final verdict. Obviously, we're gonna get
there. We're not gonna rush into it.
Ohh, yeah, I did. I did, and if not, I'm just
pretending. It's, I feel like for me it was
(21:24):
like a has been a long time since I've watched it all the
way through. It would have been one of the
few, not few, but one of the VHStapes I would have had and I
would have ended up watching it a lot and probably ended up
buying a copy on DVD eventually.Too.
But I'm not happy. I'm not a big one on like
renting or like sorry not renting.
Rewatching films like I I I tendto just prefer to like see new
(21:48):
stuff if at all possible. So you have a podcast where you
rewatch films? I know, right?
But it's good for me because it does make me like go back and I
look at these things I never would have otherwise.
I mean, this, there's various things like for a while there,
the Marvel movies were such comfort movies for me.
I like Star Wars and things likethat.
But like, by and large I just had no real appetite for it.
(22:11):
Like but I think so. This is the first time I've
rewatched this in about 20 yearsand like it absurdly watchable.
I think. I mean, like, you know, we, you,
we can talk a little bit about the content and, you know, the
structure and things like that. But I think, you know, going
(22:31):
through it again, you know, withthe benefit of hindsight and
thinking about the sticking partof so much of this film, it's
kind of staggering. Like the amount of like things
that are still memes that are still kind of referenced.
It's not there's so much. And, you know, regardless of
what you think about Quentin Tarantino is a filmmaker,
(22:52):
especially these days, I think the like war he made here was
like seismic, you know, it was like the the impact it has left
on Hollywood. It has, it's still impacting
Hollywood, you know, And yeah, it's kind of really kind of
fascinating going back to and, you know, I say 3 lot lands
(23:14):
through the lands, all the magnification of so much of this
film and going how does it then hold up even in that framework?
I, Yeah, so I asked, I didn't quite know that this was like, I
think this other than like Aliens, this is Mike's probably
second favourite movie. Cause last night he's just like
(23:35):
he couldn't. She was just like, you did not
wait for me. You did.
I could not. Right.
Granted he was like cracked out and tired, but I was like, well,
how many times have you seen it?He's like over 100.
I was like, what? He's like, yeah, this was like,
you know, a pinnacle movie. And then, you know, he's got his
own reasonings, but he was basically like, like my notes.
(23:56):
I was like, I love a good doublenegative.
You know me, so I wrote it's notnot interesting, right?
Like it's not. I mean it it as most of his
movies do, it kind of picks up at the middle.
So as long as you can get through the 1st like 45 minutes
of whatever and then all of a sudden something you're just
(24:17):
like, what the fuck, right? Which I always enjoy every movie
we have. Bunnies, Andy, There's a Bunny
in the yard. Wow, really?
His name is. Is it still raining?
Yeah. Yeah, sorry, I got sidetracked
anyways. But like I was saying that like
(24:39):
this movie basically like showedit's like, it's like a time
capsule of what Los Angeles was really like, you know, at the
time. It's it's, you know, and it's
like, I was like, was it like, did you have like, was it like,
(24:59):
I'm never going to look at a lone shop the same way ever
again, Right. So I was like, was it like
seedy? Was it, you know, I, I was like,
what do you mean? I was like, you know, until you
and I started dating, I'd never been to LA.
So like, other than like the movie LA story, I had no
reference point. And he was like, yeah, it's like
(25:19):
it really captures the the feeling of Los Angeles at that
time. And I don't know if that's good
or bad cause I was like, yeah, you know, they're not showing
you like the glamorous parts at all.
But I thought that was an interesting take so.
Like it's so fascinating, you know, in terms of what it's
trying to achieve. Like it's, you know, we're both,
(25:41):
you know it, you know, cause like at the start, I, I feel
like in so many other film makers hands, this would seem
really kind of hackneyed. But like the pulp thing, yeah,
you know, talk about the pulp isin the nature of like paper
itself and also the nature of the entertainment and being like
this is supposed to be this trashy exploitational sort of
(26:04):
like content anyway, you know. I mean, like it feels like, you
know, in terms of like a tone setter.
It feels so risky, you know, butlike he really kind of threads
and it'll quite nicely in that it is, you know, ultimately a
fairly trashy film in terms of like its subject matter.
But it really it it threads everything together really
(26:27):
intricately and really fascinating way, you know, and
like it's quite an achievement. I.
Think I would agree with that. Shall we talk a little bit about
the? Direction.
Yeah. Can I just circle back to what
you were saying about how, like there, you know, the memes and
you know, there's still so many like, references to this film in
(26:49):
all things and it's like, you know, all the electronica I ever
listen to, I'm like, Oh my God, this is that's from Pulp
Fiction. That's from Pulp.
I heard probably 10 different things that someone said where I
was like that. That's been in a remix song like
ohh. Not even just electronica like,
you know. Like so much like just in terms
(27:11):
of like even like you know, you remember like back in the day
you would get like skits betweenlike songs or like intros, yes,
even things like that for like allsorts of music.
Like it was not. Absolutely not.
I remember. Sorry, yes.
It's quite alright. I know I was gonna say I
remember like fun loving criminals and things about
having being heavily influenced by this, you know, and so on.
(27:33):
I even remember like I want to like obviously when we get to
the kind of music section of this, I want to talk more about
this genre, this really interesting stuff there.
But like, I think that I've completely lost the thread of.
Your idea? That's.
Cool. Alright, it's alright.
I'll come back to me. Alright, director, let's talk
(27:53):
about. WHO Director?
Quentin Tarantino. Ohh.
Who's this guy? Have you heard of this guy?
Have you seen this guy? Have you heard of?
This guy. And like 8, you know, it's funny
cause it's like, it's one of those things, you know, but it
was trying to write something down about him.
I just feel like he is so well, no one, It's like, what is there
(28:14):
to say? I feel like it should be noted,
you know, I, I suppose because Ikind of lived it.
I saw this film in the cinema and it was such a formative
experience for me because like, I really shouldn't have.
It was about 94 and I was like 15 and this was an 18 film and I
got in. Yeah.
So we were like, just between, like, like secondary school,
(28:35):
right? Yeah, yeah.
Exactly. So like I, you know, snuck in
and so this and like. 7 like what the fuck?
Ohh seven Yeah that was right. Same time.
Same sort of time all such formative movie wasn't like, I
think you know what I was reading my film magazines and
things like that and I was like I was dying to see action.
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You know, I think I had seen Reservoir dogs on VHS beforehand
and I was just like so ready forit and so just so important to
me, you know so like, but I guess there are plenty of people
who don't really have, you know,understanding of him and who he
like and sort of the importance of this film.
But like, you don't even really Don Reservoir Dogs before this
in terms of like we talked, we talked a little bit about he has
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he has written scripts or he like worked in scripts prior to
this, but this kind of launched him into the stratosphere.
It was so enormous. It it was like the only film
anybody was really talking aboutthat year.
It just blew everything else away.
And yeah, it's just like, it's why I think you know, me and
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him, the director that basicallyeverybody knows, you know, it
was like so seismic. And he put himself in the movie.
He did put himself in the movie and I want to talk a little bit.
About that. And, like, just his dialogue
generally, but, you know, huge, like, absolutely huge.
So, yeah, I mean, like, I don't know that I'd be saying anything
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to you about Quentin Tarantino, but I think it's worth pointing
out just how like, you know, fardirector, I think very few
directors, even extremely successful ones, have movies
that are quite as big and impactful both for moviegoers
and both for the culture. And it's it's staggering to
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think about. So yeah, this was, you know,
absolutely his again launched him into the.
Strategy Do you think this is his best film?
No, okay. So we're probably going to have
get to do Tarantino month at some point.
Yeah, I think so. I think there's some interesting
stuff to talk about in there. You know, I think that, yeah,
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it's, it's so hard to like, you know, take step back and just
kind of like examine this as a film.
Do you know what I mean? Like it just feels like such a
again, such like, such a cultural thing, like just this
like cultural signpost that has just been like sat down in 1994.
And it just like time, time and existence kind of moves around
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it, you know, in such kind of odd ways.
It's completely mode, but yeah. So I can give you a little bit
of information about Tarantino. He basically, you know, I think
it's hard or, and I, I, I think more maybe we're recognising
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that, you know, it's who you know or who your parents are,
right? That gives you a little bit.
I don't want, I hate this like whole nepotism conversation
because this is how Hollywood has always worked.
And you know, someone, you know,said nepo babies.
And then it became a thing. So I but I do think that, you
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know, Quentin doesn't really cause, you know, we're friends.
So I can call him sure. I call him San Quentin.
It's just a joke. We have he and I not really
anyways, so it but he didn't have film training.
He was an unknown. Yes, he was working with.
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So he and Roger Avery worked together at the Video Archives
video store in Socal. And they were just like, maybe
we'll write a, you know, some scripts and, you know, put, put
some pen to paper or whatever. But he basically said, like, I
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didn't go to film school. Like, films were my school.
And I think that's an actual quote that he said and that I
didn't botch at all. That wasn't even in my notes,
people. So I just think it's interesting
that he really, you know, it's not that he came out of nowhere,
but like he did kind of come outof nowhere.
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Yeah. And, you know, he's honest about
the fact that he copies everybody and has copied
everything he's ever seen, but so does everybody else.
So I appreciate, you know, the homages to to all of the
different things that he likes or things are interesting, you
know, Elvis and rockabilly musicand you know, the the way that
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he it does see Los Angeles and you know, Los Angeles is its
own. We could just have a podcast
about that, that city. But it's just I yeah, I as a
filmmaker who you can watch a movie and know exactly without
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knowing who wrote or directed it.
You could be like I know who directed this which I like.
Absolutely. I mean there he statistically he
is very singular. I think there's very, I mean,
like you can, there are definitely other directors
you've tried to ape his style and some do okay, but it never
it it always feels like too muchof A RIP off.
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I think you know, um, yeah, so. I so I'm just want to talk, can
I talk a little bit about like why, what, how they came up with
the concept for the movie. So they, they originally wanted
to create like 3 short films with three different film
makers. So that would be Avery Tarantino
and they had a friend named AdamRifkin.
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So they wrote what would have been the first of the trilogies
and it doesn't matter anyways. They had these two other movies,
1 of being Reservoir Dogs and the other being True Romance.
They weren't quite sure what to do with Pulp Fiction, but, um,
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Avery and Tarantino kept moving it.
It was titled it Black the BlackMask originally.
A bit based probably on I'm guessing the GIMP maybe?
I don't know after. So there was like a crime
fiction magazine called that. That was like very pulpy.
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And then they were like, no, let's let's add more layers.
And Avery created the basic ideafor the gold watch storyline of
Pulp Fiction, which, you know, is kind of like things happen
because Bruce Willis character is like trying to find his dad's
watch that was passed down from,you know, grandfather, great
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grandfather to grandfather to his father.
And it was now his watch. And you know, everyone was
sneaking it around POW camps in their ass holes.
So there's no kind way I can saythat other than the way I just
said it. So I don't know.
I think it's just a lot of, my guess is they're probably
getting really high and like writing stuff down and, and you
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know, here, here we are. I think that like, you know,
there is a, you know, you know, the idea that like alter theory
is completely ridiculous. And I think it is like, you know
what it's, it's, it's all about timing and place and like the
people that you meet and the talents that they bring to
something, you know. And I think that like, as I kind
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of looked at this, you know, I was also, you know, music in
particular is so important. You know, I'd like to this like
hugely important. And it's another thing that kind
of just changed the game completely.
Brought back a genre too, I think that either people had
never heard or you know. An absolute revival.
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I think of of like, so of like afew different kinds of music.
I think you know, and so I thinkthat like, you know, there is
something up like that whole mixture and like you know, and
like and also just like timing unlock in terms of like making
that thing work. And like you say, you know,
going through a few draughts of what this thing might look like
and then it just kind of fittingtogether because I even like
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know, you know, in terms of like, first of all, this
involvement, like he took a big reduction in terms of like, you
know, why he normally gets paid because he liked the script so
much and how important that was to kind of like get the film
both finance and like, you know,possession it for marketing and
things. You know, it's like so many
things have to come together to make this film the success that
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it was. I think, you know, it's it's
very interesting. So do you want to talk about
music? That is something that cause
like, you know, as much as I like Tarantino is like, I don't
know what to say about this guy.That hasn't been said
particularly relating to this film.
But I think looking into this, there wasn't a composure as
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such. The important person on this was
the music supervisor called Karen Rachman.
And I thought this was way and this is something I'd never
really looked at before and was I found way more interesting.
And she's one of the most influential music supervisors of
all time. And what's the music supervisor,
you may ask? I asked myself the same question
long ago. It's basically somebody who both
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suggests songs for films and also negotiates the contracts
and the rights for those songs to make sure they can be cleared
and used for films. So she really fascinating
individual. Like, I mean, I was, I was kind
of like an intuitive business basically.
She worked for the head of musicfor Cannon Films.
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Then kind of like their own thing started working as a music
supervisor on all their smaller films like Texas Mass Texas
Chainsaw Massacre 2. Um, but her sort of like launch
to kind of like major, kind of like, I guess relevance on like
becoming one of the biggest of all time was with rest of our
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dogs where Tarantino really wanted stuck in the middle with
you. His the guy that he was or the
person that he was working with couldn't make it happen.
He met her, she made it happen and they just had this had this
connection then. And then she continued to kind
of work with him in his films. But like the soundtrack for like
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Pulp Fiction, the soundtrack forlike Reservoir Dogs as well were
so successful that they ended upby also helping like fun the
film and things film and film and things like that as well.
So yeah, it's really, really like she became then like off
the back of this, you know, thisthe, the soundtrack for this
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alone sold 4 million. Copies had I had I had the
soundtrack and it had like the quotes in the in that yes and
and I didn't again I hadn't everfinished the movie but.
And then she just became like soimportant, like, and I think she
then changed the game in terms of like what music soundtracks
were that they could be something viable as you know,
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apart from a movie in terms of like, you know, cause like, you
know, you have some tracks, but they weren't, they weren't in
this van. They weren't filled with cool
music. A lot of times they were scores
and stuff, which can be great, but don't have that sort of like
it factor. I think that the.
Music. I'm going to pop this in my CD
player. Yeah, get it out of my CD.
Okay, For those of you who are younger than, I don't know, Andy
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and I like we used to have like CD books.
I got mine out the other night and I was like, kids go through
this cause they were, you know, like trying to get some new
music. And I was like, I have this
whole like this is what we used to carry around.
And do you remember just like driving your car and the CD with
like Zing off the seat and you'dbe like trying to drive and try
to like find this like really slippery CD?
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Yeah, yeah. Ohh, yeah.
I don't miss those days in some ways, though in other ways I do
miss them because, you know, then we owned our, we owned the
music that we like and, you know, whatever the fuck we're
doing these days. That's so interesting.
So do they do? They did is did they continue to
work together. They seemed like they did like
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but they think she then became because she did this on reality
bites and the scene. Yeah, I had that.
Massive. And then she went on to do like
tonnes of other stuff. So I think like she did some
other work with him, but she then went on to become like one
of the most kind of sought aftermusical supervisors in the
industry. So I think she just did tonnes
of other stuff, you know? Um, so I think.
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It's interesting. I was looking through like,
okay, like favourite actors and like who acted in this?
And I'm, I'm, I'm noticing there's like, and I, I know I
was doing some reading around this, like John Travolta hadn't
had a hit in a very long time, right?
Bruce Willis had done a couple things, but like nothing was
really picking up for him. I'm not sure about Christopher
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Walken. I feel like he's a gift and
anytime we get to see him, but Ifeel like whoever the casting
director was and they did a they, I just the fact that we
got to see like, I remember it being such a big deal that like
John Travolta danced in this movie because he was in Saturday
Night Fever and like he spent a year getting ready for that and
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like he's a phenomenal dancer and that was like such a big
deal. Cause this was like, cause like
he was coming off like the look Who's talking movies.
You know what? I.
Mean it was like looking look who's talking too, right?
You saw that? Like he was still a boy, but he
wasn't like he wasn't his star was like kind of like going down
and this just like hectic, right?
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Back and it put them in, put himin a role and it's like now I'm
seeing I'm like, you know, you see the stickers of like him and
Samuel L Jackson's character andit'll just be their outlines.
But you know, like who it is, right?
So putting them together, it needs scenes just like it's
just, yeah, good casting. And there's the the the clip of
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him, you know, going into me. Wallace is house and like,
looking around confused is stillused as a I don't know what the
Hell's going on sort of meme, you know?
Yes, I also, there was, I was watching something, listening to
something. I can't remember, but it was
like, you know, there's a scene where John Travolta's like
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buying heroin and then he fixes the heroin and then he takes the
heroin and it's like everyone who has done heroin in that time
period or after, like that's their reference point for how
to, to, to do heroin. Like, ohh.
I learned from watching Pulp Fiction.
Did you tell me that? No, but I think I feel like we.
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Yeah. But like it's so interesting to
me that that was so influential in terms of like heroin.
Yes, that's. Why?
Yeah. Truly.
Yeah. And I, I was trying to think
there was a shoot. I'm not, I'm not gonna go there
cause I can't remember the movie, but it was a gut.
There was a Gus Van Sant movie, Drugstore Cowboy that was filmed
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in Portland, OR where I used to live, but that I thought was
like at that at the time, that was like kind of the the most
like referenced. Like, I don't know, I don't know
what it came out. I'll stop talking about that.
But I'll just say there's so many good at like Ving Rhames
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was in this movie. God rest his soul.
Missed that man RIP. Stocked cost is off.
It's like. It really it's yeah.
And it's just interesting how many other, you know, like there
was that the the heroin dealer was written for John Cusack, but
he turned it down South. It's like there was, you know,
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it was just interesting. I feel like, you know, it
really, casting really does matter.
And this is like, other than onecharacter that we can talk
about, this was perfectly cast. Yes, 100%.
And so we talk a little bit about, I'm also wary that like
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the time or are we? Picking the time.
Ohh, wow. OK.
We're good like that. One of the things I want I
noticed that I have not spotted before there was a few different
things was that Danny DeVito wasan executive producer of this.
I apparently had a huge part in getting amid like he like
shopped around like lots of studios because a lot of people
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find it too to think violent andthings like that.
And probably had like a really kind of solid career as a as a
producer like throughout the 90son into the 2000s as well.
He appeared. First, because he and Rita
Pearlman, I know they're still married, but not together
anymore. I just like when they appear.
It's always such a treat. It is.
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And I love that now he's now, I know he's like working in the
behind the scenes. Yeah, it's great.
Like really is nice and I think like I in terms of things that I
don't think Java is great is like I thought the dialogue is
zippy and it feels like, you know, vital and like alive.
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But I feel like the kind of casual racism really has the
aged terribly as a sort of like look how kind of cool we are.
It just felt it feels very kind of like it feels a little try
hard. I think maybe a lot try hard,
you know, but like it, you know,maybe that is how some people
talk back then, but it just it Ifeel like it has aids pretty
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terribly you. Know I think the only person
that could say anything like that that's allowed to
absolutely do whatever and say whatever he wants is Samuel
Jackson so but other than that Ithink.
Yes, like Ozzy star making turn for him.
I like he appeared with many things before, but he is just so
charismatic in this and like he is just like I think putting the
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two of them together, like you say and like them talking is
just like it is cinematic gold. You just like it's so here in
the here and there here in his writing or everybody's writing
coming out of their mouths is just magic.
It really is. Do you want to hear facts?
Absolutely. So, um, so the passage from the
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Bible that Jules has memorised was mostly made-up by Tarantino
and Samuel Jackson. So the first part of about the
righteous man and the tyranny ofthe evil men is not real, which
almost makes it better in my eyes.
However, the second-half and I will strike down upon thee with
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great vengeance and furious anger, and you will know my name
is the Lord. And When I Lay My Vengeance Upon
Thee is actually a direct quote from Ezekiel 2517.
So yeah. And this actually, it's likely
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that Tarantino put this in because there's a a film called
The Bodyguard Kiba that he loves.
It's 1973 film and it's a quote in that almost word for word.
And he loved that movie. And so I think he just put that
in in this. But yeah, I I liked that element
of Samuel L Jackson's character,just like this is my catch
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phrase when I murder people. And then he's like starts
thinking it through. And then the end scene of him
like deciding, you know, am I? No.
Am I the Am I vengeance? Or, you know, do I wanna walk
the earth and just be peaceful? I I think thought that, you
know, that sort of extended sortof bed of him talking and him in
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one of the first going to the apartment doing all the talking
is just like pure magic. You know, like, you know, the
way he kind of handles the room,unlike, you know, the kind of
quiet par and like, you know, even whenever he's like doing
the whole sort of like friendly thing, like the quiet kind of
manus in there is just so powerful.
You always know that at any moment he is capable of murder
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and it's in every and yeah, I, I'm, I'm here for it.
Okay, so the movies line, you know what they call 1/4 Pounder
with cheese and Paris? They call it a Royale with
Cheese, was voted as the number 81st of the greatest movie lines
by premier. Yeah.
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And in terms of the ones that you could you could pick, you
know, Yeah, yeah, I like these are so many.
Like, I mean, they're like, you know, for a film, they even have
a couple of iconic lines Is good, but there's.
Like there's 20 or? 30 iconic lines in this film.
But like they have McDonald's inFrench Polynesia where we go for
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vacation. And so like they still, it's
like Royale with cheese. It's on the thing, it's still
there. And like, you know, for those of
Kevin Smith fans or whatever, like the Superette they call it,
they have the Super rates there,but they're called less
superette. So I don't know.
And I think we have court, I think they're called, there are
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quarters here, which is interesting because like we do
know what a point is, but there it's not used as much.
That's really cheap and I don't know which is more catchy, but
um, okay, so let's see. It costs only 8 million to make.
Ohh, nice. And it was lower, but then they
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added Bruce Willis, but he was like, I'll take very little
money. And so 5 million of the 8
million would pay salaries and then everything else was, you
know, produce or, you know, making the movie.
So it grows over 2,000,200 million at the box office.
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I can see. You.
I know. Absolutely insane.
Okay, this this I really liked. This is hopefully this is a fun
fact that most people don't know.
So when shooting the film, Quentin created the summary of
Mia's TV show Foxworth 5 only for the passing by conversation
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between me and Vincent. And it was with Thurman, who was
actually like Quentin. You could actually make that
into a movie. So between takes and like
between rehearsals, he made a full movie based on the Fox
Force 5 characters and that became the story and the script
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for Kill Bill. That makes sense.
Yeah, okay, love it. Yeah, because I remember hearing
that they were like talking about the the whatever the
project would work under presenttogether for ages, but I didn't
realise that was the direct influence.
But yeah, I can absolutely say. It it's Uber.
That makes sense. Thank you, Beth Thurman.
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OK. Do you have any others for?
US, I mean, shout out to Ireland.
So the character of Trudy, who lives with the heroin dealer.
Apologies if I say this incorrectly, but Brianna
Gallagher Brianna can be seen wearing AT shirt of Irish rugby
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and the Frames. She appeared in the commitments
in 91 with Glen Hansard, who's the lead singer of the Frames,
which I didn't know. And now you have to go like
hunt, hunt them down on Spotify.They became friends and she
promised him that she would weara Frames T-shirt if she got the
part in the movie. So she did a solid.
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So yeah, go go Ireland. Yay.
Yeah, yeah, I kind of forgot shewas on this mean.
She she barely does anything in it, but it was kind of
interesting to see. I was like ohh.
Yeah, ohh. And it was Samuel Jack in this
only Oscar nominated role. He has an honorary Oscar, but I
don't know if that's like an honorary PhD or doctorate or
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whatever. So, but it they were basically
just like you're cool. Oh, oh, I also, I have some a
couple, I have a few Samuel Jackson facts, but we can get
there. Okay, so um, okay, so he was the
first security guard of the Manhattan Plaza apartment
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complex. And it's like an artist
community, like in their families.
So he was opening doors for Alicia Keys and Timothy Shamlin
Shamley, who grew up there. He is accomplished at playing
brass instruments. So he plays the French horn of
the trumpet from in school Symphony orchestras from grades
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three through great grades 12, which is a long time.
Like, he can probably pick it back up and rock it.
He's great friends with British actor Simon Pegg.
I'm so jealous to. I want to be in the room where
that happens. The Hamilton reference for
anyone that is not OK. And this is one other fun, fun
fact. Due to his prominent stature
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within the film industry, he is accorded a clause and all of his
movie contracts that guarantee some easy access to golf courses
no matter where the location shoot happens to be.
Cause they stand there all fucking Jackson.
Wow. Very, very.
So I need to know, you know, once, once, you know, in this
(55:02):
six months, once we're rich and famous.
Well, it'll be interesting to see what our your podcast clause
is, Andy. That's going to be it's going to
be really, really, really intense.
Okay, so shall we get to our final we section of the podcast?
First things first, 2 digit fit here the best.
(55:24):
If it's in the movie, I think like cough, for me, I I've I've
read on pumpkin, like I think the kind of pumpkin is in like
Tim Ross character, because I love this shirt and it was kind
of Hawaiian shirt, but certainlythe kind of the kind of suits,
the kind of, you know, black suit, black tie, white shirts or
it's such an iconic look as well, like Vince Vega has did
(55:47):
like little sort of, you know, what do you call those neck
ties? I have one.
I love them. You know the the kind of.
Western bolo type. Yeah, I thought that was great.
But I think it goes to pumpkin for me.
I think it has to. He was incredible, incredible
look. The Andes Audible acting award.
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I don't think there was any animals.
Our mansion, I couldn't think ofany.
Like nothing prominent enough that it's that the reward went
in. So sorry guys, nobody's getting
it this week, all right? And not KISS.
I mean the gift visit. The gift camp yeah it was kind
of an all these dirty animal I so in terms of revisit remember
(56:31):
refuse or redo what are. You know.
I'm really eager. Yeah, I, I, I was going into
this being like, Tarantino is not my jam.
This is a pointless movie. It doesn't have a fucking point.
I left it being like, I would absolutely watch this again.
(56:57):
Yeah, love. It yeah, love it.
So I I would I not saying I agree with him as a human being
cause I love me some Paul Dano. And also I did not appreciate
his character in this movie. I think it could have been
better cast. Sorry, Quinton.
I'm sorry, but like, yeah, that's.
True. I wonder how indicative it is of
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him as a person that you know, like, I think it probably speaks
to that. He's that sort of guy.
Yeah, I mean, I appreciate it when it's like Stan Lee just
making a 32nd appearance or likehe's on a newspaper.
Like a little embarrassed yourself is fun.
Like, you know, Alfred Hitchcockdid that too, but I, I don't, I
love, I I prefer him as a director, writer and not as an
(57:42):
actor. I don't know it.
Maybe I'll rewatch From Dusk Till Dawn and I just wanna
punch. Like, yeah, I know his, Yeah,
he's could have, could have. No, I think yeah, I think you're
right. He's definitely better as a
director and writer than the than an actor for sure.
I think this is an easy revisit for me.
Like, you know, even going into I was looking at the wrong time
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and you know how much I had a long run time these days was
like for fuck this fucking nearly 2 1/2 hours.
But it was an easy breezy 2 1/2 hours.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. Like sometimes if I'm really
kind of like tight for time, I would like second screen a
movie. But like I really I was thinking
about this like, but I really enjoyed it and it was yeah, it
just just a great just like really kind of you know, in
(58:29):
terms of like there are some knots things in there,
absolutely knots things in there, some violence and some
like other kind of unpleasantness.
But like it is just a really energetic, really kind of like
vibrant, you know, kind of placeHispanic couple of ours.
So yeah, definitely an. Easy read, but also like you
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were talking about like, you know, the the dialogue between
the characters, which I loved, but also the dialogue of the
characters juxtaposition with the actions that they then
perform that have like you see them as human beings because
they're having conversations andthen you see them as different
human beings because they're doing horrible things.
(59:11):
And it's just like, that was such an interesting, you know, I
don't even know what Yeah, yeah,it's that.
It's just that's a that's a Tinostyle thing, I think.
And I like. It I think they feel like more
complete people and both, you know, the horrible and the good
ways, you know, and I think that's something that like was
(59:34):
felt fairly fresh at the time. Certainly it has happened
before. But like, I think, you know, it
felt very kind of warts and all in terms of like the portrayal
of people. And I think that was a rarity,
you know. But yeah.
But yeah, fascinating movie and one I'm glad we revisited.
And also nice way to kind of capoff or something Jackson season
because he is absolutely spectacular in it.
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Okay, Sue. We are moving into our new theme
for next month for March, which is going to be Irish American
Month, which we're excited for and we already have some ideas
for this. But if you have any ideas at
home for things that you would like to, I'd like us to watch
that will be part of this. That would be great.
(01:00:18):
And are kind of like and as we're still trying to do like,
you know, crossover episodes. So that features last weeks or
last months topic on next month's topic.
So next month or next week? Good.
What's happened? With it's OK.
Is next week is going to be loaded weapon and if you're like
(01:00:40):
hold on a minute Andy, how is this Irish American.
With a crossover, the Samuel Jackson.
Crossover. You've got a chin in next week
to find out. So yeah.
So if you want to watch at home,our next our next movie is going
to be Loaded Weapon. No, sorry, National Lampoons
Loaded Weapon. Loaded weapon one.
(01:01:02):
That one, yes, which we'll talk about next time.
We forgot joy, but I'm gonna letit go this week.
Darren, we need some gunfire here at the end.
Well, those really bad. Okay, love you guys.
Love you. Bye.
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