November 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Did the Democrats really drag out the shutdown for 41 days only to score a political point over healthcare? That makes no sense. Pundits on the Podcast argue over the winners and losers of the shutdown and whether the Democrats came looking like the villains who caused the shutdown. Renaldo McKenzie sits down with co-hosts Ricardo McKenzie and Straight Talker Randy Travis to discuss.
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This is the new Liberal Around podcast.
We have an update as it relates to the government shutdown and
this particular episode of the new Liberal Around podcast.
Myself, Ricardo and another Co host.
Sorry, guest commentator Randolph.
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We'll discuss what's going on with the government shutdown and
whether or not the government, whether or not the Republicans
won or whether or not the Democrats.
That's coming up next. But but here is the latest we we
have Reid Cohen from CBS who will give us an an update as to
the latest regarding the shutdown.
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A's and a Senate vote leaked into the night to pass that
funding bill. Finally, there's an end insight
to the US government shutdown. 7Democrats and an independent
joined with Republicans to get the job done.
Listen. The ayes are 60.
The nays are 40. The bill, as amended is passed.
So the bill now heads to the House, and the big question is
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what did Democrats get? They got a promise from
Republicans to hold the Decembervote on extending health care
tax credits. Some in Congress that were still
skeptical that that will ever happen.
Schumer's views are very different than mine.
He is an establishment Democrat,no secret, I am not.
I hope that by electing new members of the Senate we will
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have, in fact, new leadership. But right now you know it is
what it is. John Fetterman joins CBS
Mornings today. He's the lone Democrat who voted
in favor of the bill every time.The key to man was about the
Affordable Care Act. You know, some people call it
Obamacare. What will happen with that now?
And under this, under this situation that you all are
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proposing, what happens to it? What I'm hopeful is, is that
that we are going to create those kinds of extensions, but
we have to negotiate with the Republicans because America
decided to put us in the minority.
You know, they obviously Trump is in the White House and they
also have the majority in the House.
That's the essence of democracy,to find a way forward because
our parties have different priorities.
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And that's why I've always refused to put our government in
the middle of all of it because millions and millions of
American lives will be impacted that way.
Two things must be true, that I want to make healthcare more
affordable for Obamacare, but I also think that our government
should never be held as a hostage.
Whether it's a Republican or whether it's a Democrat, it's
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always wrong. Why Democrats are still very
angry about this legislation, and while why Democrats in the
House are all saying for the most part that they were,
they're not going to crossover and support it.
All right, so we know it's passed.
It goes to the house. What's next?
Well, the House is making their way back to Washington.
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As you know, they've been out for the past seven weeks before
this at the start of the shutdown.
They are coming back. House Speaker Mike Johnson said,
look, everybody should get back as soon as possible because of
all the flight delays and chaos of the airports that's been
caused because of this shutdown.So lawmakers are making their
way back today. They are expected to start
voting on this read tomorrow at 4:00 PM.
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Now, that could take a little while, but that is when they're
hoping that everybody will be back in town, town in Washington
to be able to move forward on this bill.
And as it stands right now, we haven't seen any major
defections from Republicans. Remember, I said most Democrats
are going to vote against this. That means that Mike Johnson
needs all of his Republican members here in Washington to
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cast their vote and to vote for this bill.
He has pledged a swift passage so long as everybody's in town.
So we could see this signed intolaw.
If everything goes according to plan, everything goes well.
That's the that's the report coming from CBS.
Well, I sat down with commentators, with two
commentators of here at the Neoliberal podcast.
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Randolph Travis, who is I guess commentator of the Neoliberal
and the Co commentator on the onthe straight talk and and
episode of the installment series that we do every now and
then. Also Ricardo McKenzie, who is a
senior producer of the neoliberal, a board member here
of the Neoliberal Corporation, but he's also the producer at
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the naval global podcast and theCo host of the pulse sat with
him to talk about the this the fact that they they're going to
have ended this, this the standoff and they are there's
going to be a deal is coming outof the out of Capitol Hill.
And this is if so, there will bea the government will be funded
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into the new year, just up to January, I believe.
So we wanted to find out who didthe Democrats win?
Did they achieve anything? We had a very heated debate.
And so I'm, I'm looking forward to, to, to sharing this, the
conversation I had. That's what's coming up next on
the the Liberal round. And you give 20 billion, Hold
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up. I hold, let me chime in on that.
And you give 20 billion to Argentina.
You give another 10 billion to help the to help with their
economy with the beef. And then you tell us you don't
have the money to come up with money for food.
And you still fighting the government and most of the
people, I mean, fighting going to the Supreme Court over paying
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out SNAP benefits. And you think that this ain't
going to? Thank you.
He's fucked. He's fucked.
We did what we needed to do. No, I don't like how I ended.
I don't like how the Republicanscame.
I mean, how the Democrats went on and went on and opened it.
But at this point, we made the point.
And at the end of the day, Republican, no matter what
happens now, they know that thisis on the Republicans and they
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still don't want to pass them. Yeah, I agree.
With you, I had to open it up because, and it's not on that
only, it was only 8 Democrats who voted for the current bill.
The current bill that you're voting on, Democrats were not
involved in the process. It was parties that every bill
that we pass has always have some kind of budget across the
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board. And obviously the Republican
Party not care for Americans. That is what we have.
They're locking up people, ISIS going into American cities and
walking Americans and treat themlike animals.
People who are Americans, well, I mean, OK, so you and so you
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and Randy. No, it would be more graphic
than what they do. Hold on Ronaldo, because you're
you trying. To wait.
Let's see how. Graphic It was the people that
are being locked up they got. Wait, hold on, Hold on.
No, no, no. Hold on.
Hold on. Yes, hold on.
OK. Where are we talking about the
shutdown? What does that have to do with
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OK, the point is welcome to thisis this is straight talk.
This is the blame for the shutdown.
This is straight talk. And right now, what I have said
earlier, the initial I'm here with Ricardo and what we said
earlier, what I have said earlier is that I don't what did
they achieve, What did the Democrats achieve from this
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shutdown? They did not achieve anything.
They're not running the country,they can't achieve anything.
Of course they did achieve. Everything and you guys, I think
that they did achieve something.Yes, OK.
And because people get to blame the dump, they the Republicans.
They are, what is everybody talking about now?
Their insurance premium. What are you about to do now?
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Sign up for insurance? What do you know if you got to
go on tomorrow? I, I don't even want to look
yet, but isn't we're in that enrollment period right now.
Everybody's talking about how high it's gone up.
If you got a family and you wantto open market, you can't.
It's unaffordable if you got a child that has any type of
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disability or needs. On.
OK, fine. So what?
What does that have to do with the shutdown and?
What we got, we got. People to they the shutdown is
Ricardo. Ricardo, what do you have to
say? OK, fine.
But what? OK, you are going to make a
point. Sorry, go ahead.
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You were. Talking to me.
I was saying that there at the end of the day, people are going
to realize and this is not a Republican or Democrat thing.
This is people who have pre-existing conditions are
going to want to find a job. I mean go get health insurance
and they can't afford it. The average plan if you were
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paying $800 a month has now jumped to over 4000 a month.
Did you did. That's why Marjorie Taylor Green
is even saying what the fuck arewe doing?
We want to cancel it, but what is our plan?
OK. And that's, so they put that to
the light because they, the Republicans were going to spin
it or trying to spin it and say that, oh, it's just Obamacare
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was garbage. Obamacare was garbage.
But they don't have a plan. And that's a problem for them.
And now it's really a problem for them because if they did go
ahead and open up the governmentand I'm, I've still got mixed
feelings about them opening up the government, but they but I
do want people to get paid. I want people need to get paid.
And we have an evil man in office who don't give a fuck
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about people starving. There's kids.
I work with kids. These are the people are really
going to starve. And and OK.
Fine, fine. So you're OK?
I don't want to talk about Donald Trump being evil.
But that has some everything to do with the.
No, not. Not many people think that he's
evil. You think he's evil?
OK, he is evil. You don't think he's evil?
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He is evil. You don't think he's equal?
OK, let's say the judges orderedeverybody to give him back.
Snap. No, no, no, no, hold on.
No, we will not. No.
Young man, this is this is this podcast will not I'm telling you
you in a professional intellectual conversation.
Wait, hold on. No, we are talking.
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This is how we hold on. What I'm saying is that we don't
make a valid judgment about someone's conscience on this
program. We got we it's out of our
purview to do so less and we allsay judge judge not less DP that
we don't make right. We do we cannot we don't make a
valid judgment on people's country.
So the government is shut down and we're saying that we don't
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agree with the shutdown. You agree with because he has
brought the shutdown has broughtlight yes, to some of the issues
that is affecting Americans. OK, so and that that's the first
point it has brought light and that but it needed 810 to 40
days for that to happen regarding in the comic.
Agree, agree. I agree with that.
But we needed to know where the American people were, and that's
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why the election needed to happen.
Wait, hold up. You're saying it needed?
Go ahead. Sorry, I don't care how.
Many days you need that. They said they could have ended
my last week. Or why didn't they end it from
last week? That's that.
Well, they're beyond last week. We've left in the past.
Let's talk about that present. They had to end it because first
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of all, Speaker Johnson had closed down the contract so that
and they're closed out. So they weren't even working.
The Democrats had reached Constantinely everything they
could in order to come up with with a bipartisan plan and say
This is why and we didn't vote. And it's not like they didn't
shut it down. They voted against the bill that
came up to them and they said no, it's going to hurt my
constituents and it's your job to do that.
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The bill came to tuition in front of you.
You don't like it. All the Republicans in the
Senate vote for it. The Democrats, except for a few
of them, did not. Okay, what?
You can't call it. Democrats shut down.
It's just two. Or is that, to be honest with
you, only about 8. What happened?
We got the three additional votes from Democrats who were in
purple and red states who voted for the bill that made it pass.
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It passed narrowly because they got every single Republican
except for one person. So I'm not going to call it a
Democrat. So I know what I'm going to call
it is they there was an impasse and the Republicans who manages
both houses and the executive and Evelyn, they came together
and created a bill regardless, like 50 or 40 percent, 45% of
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American like it because it was it was not a unilateral thing.
They did not negotiate. They just say we're gonna do
whatever you're gonna have to vote on it.
And that's what they did. And so Democrats were like no, 8
of them said are some, a few of that, but most of them said no.
So you can't call it. They want to do that and blame
name and take Democrat shutdown.It was not OK.
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It was a Republican shutdown because they came up with a bill
and did not get any input from Democrats.
And they had gotten a little bitmore input from Democrats.
But the bill that they sent up to the Senate, then maybe they
would not have shut down becausethey could not do what they're
supposed to do. You can't run a country and not
come together 'cause you're managing in America, not just
red states. And I feel as though if we are
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in the United States of America,we have to manage and govern the
United States of America and notone section of people, OK, A lot
of people are going to lose their health care.
They shut life to it. Yeah, they could have come to
their end, but it's. Not so let me ask you guys.
Let me ask you and Randy a question then.
OK, fine. We have this shut down.
So what are we hearing? Are they going by the way,
everyone, this is the nailable around podcast and I'm in all of
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the the nailable around. We have Randy of of straight of
the straight talker and of course, Ricardo of the pulse.
And so tell me, did you what's going on now in terms of
healthcare because of the shut? So they're going to fund the
government. Wait, they're going to fund the
government. They're going to fund the
government until January. And so, so yeah, what's the what
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you said? What are you?
They are going to renegotiate. So that had nothing to do with
this. You can't do that's exactly the
Democrat or not. Republicans have not negotiated
anything with the Democrats. They have not done anything.
I have never seen it before. So wait, So what I don't know
what you guys are telling me, isthat OK, they're planning on
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opening back the government and there is and it's and they're
still going to accept the bill that I mean, and they still got,
they're still going to approve the big beautiful bill which got
health insurance. Yes.
And what's going to happen though, in January, though,
their constituents will be then got those insurance premiums and
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it won't be sustainable unless they just want to be wiped out.
And they're not be a Republican Party because that's what's
going to happen if they don't. And they know this.
And that's why either way, it's a win for Democrats on this
issue. They're going to make exceptions
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with insurance companies in the middle of the year.
They are so good at using certain words.
They just put words in our headsand it's stuck.
So what they doing, the Republicans all rally around one
talking point. You don't negotiate and that's
probably the Democrat itself. It's not 8 Democrats voted for
the bill and those eight people to look at that because it's
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still. OK, who are these eight you know
you got? Yes.
What's his name? He just got booed.
That's what they were just showing today.
Fetterman of Pennsylvania, he was just on the View today and
they viewed. They booed his ass off.
Fetterman. Fetterman has been it's it's
completely but. That's for our health insurance
here in Pennsylvania that he voted for to get rid of.
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I What I don't understand with Fetterman is the Pennsylvania he
is, but we the liberals, Democrats voted for him.
But he do, you know, during thatprocess, there was a lot going
on right there, but it was a lotof racism shit going on with him
then and a lot of people. Your boy.
But Pennsylvania, it is very racist.
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But they voted all Democratic this week, just two weeks ago,
last week. I'm sorry, all Democrat, all
them little switchy, all went Democrat.
OK, fine. Who else?
Who else voted? I don't know the rest.
Of them you know. It was Angus King.
He voted. The guy Klein did was Hillary
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Clinton's vice president. I forgot his name, but him and
it was a couple others. It was it was only 8 of them out
of 43. So I'm OK and that still doesn't
mean anything. And the problem is, and this is
what's going to happen with Mandani.
People are realizing that you don't eat just because.
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First of all, let's get we and I'm know I'm going a little bit
off, but it had a. Relationship.
No, I'm happy you talk about my.Whatever his name is, Ricardo is
from New York, So. So Ricardo probably could.
I haven't spoken to Ricardo to hear his reaction to Mandani,
whatever his name is being. So yeah.
So listen, socialism. Yes.
They talk about they hate socialism.
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But they. Obamacare is a socialist policy.
They hate having people get freehealth care.
What they call it free, but we pay for these government people
to have health care and the House ain't been in session for
8 weeks. We paying them, they get full
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year salary, they make more thaneverybody else, and they decide
who could get help put their asson the health care market.
By the way, I have the response for you the the senators who the
Democrats, sorry, who backed theRepublican shutdown deal.
Jude Shereen he's the seven that7 Demo Senate The seven Senate
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Democrats plus one independent voted on Sunday to support the
Republican deal to reopen the USgovernment the US government.
The defections broke a week longdeadlock during which the
Democratic Party resisted pressure to end the longest ever
shutdown US shutdown. The main reason Democrat
senators gave for refusing to back the the the which was deal
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was the expired expiration of the healthcare subsidies which
they said would hit millions of household.
So, so a group who sided with the Republicans and what they
have to say, Tim Kaine, the first thing he had to say or is
that none of none of them faced re election in 2026 and Virginia
Senator Clinton is no different.No, he's no Hillary Clinton's
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running mate in 2016. That's what.
I said he backed. He said that he backed the
Republican deal because it wouldprotect workers and set the US
on the path towards fixing Republican health care mess.
True. Why did I?
Why is that true? It's because the Republicans got
to do something now and they can't blame nobody but
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themselves because they they wanted to push through this
instead of dealing with it now. So now, people, in January,
you're going to get your bill. You've already chosen your plan.
I don't know what they doing. I'm going.
To. Tell you what's happening.
This is out-of-the-box idea and you're ready for it.
Out-of-the-box idea and I'll go Republicans don't want
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healthcare and they don't want Obamacare.
One, Barack Obama is hated by Donald Trump and they don't want
to even they don't even want a health better healthcare system.
What they want is for Americans who do 1099 who get any kind of
dunk or and help whatsoever to go get an extra job.
If you have to work 2 jobs to pay your healthcare, you have to
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you have to go and work at a traditional company now to get
healthcare. They don't want anyone to go to
the market system because they want, because all people are
doing 1099. They want everyone to go to work
and even if they have to get lower pay, that's what they're
doing. That's what I'm thinking is
happening. The idea here is to not support.
However, the problem you're going to have now is what about
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children and? What about seniors, because what
they want is for everyone in theeveryone within between certain
ages, certain age, including even 27 year olds.
That's what they're doing. They want everyone to get a
regular 95 or job. They want all of us to go back
to work because Americans, a lotof Americans now after COVID
have their own jobs at 1099. They have the insurance to
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Obamacare and it's great, all right, because they don't have
to pay that much because it's the marketplace to their current
jobs. So now everyone who's on 1099
can't do that because they're going to increase your IP, not
protect it anymore. The idea is now all of these
people now have to go back to a job.
They have to go to work and workfor restaurants or work for
Dunkin' Donuts or farm or work for any company that these big
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billionaires have established. Now we have to go back to work
and work for the man. You can't have your own company
anymore. So that's what you're changing
the system so that we all now have to go back to work.
That they don't want people to have 1099.
You said it right now, they're recently that they're discarding
people from having their own jobbecause all these people are
influencers. They're all 1099.
There's a lot more people who are employed.
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That's why they were, they were,they were regulating social
media, Yeah. Yes.
So this is what's going on. You don't see it, but I always
talk. About out-of-the-box like this
is just a theory, but by the way, so I'm just King Dick
Durbin from Illinois was one of the government one of the the
the the House people that backedit Democrat the with Jackie
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Roseanne as well. You know, Jackie Roseanne from
Nevada John Vetterman John Fetterman said he did it because
and then said I'm sorry to our military snap recipient governor
government workers, Capitol police who haven't been paid in
a week. So it affect people in a very
significant way. So Catherine Cortez, Masto Maji
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Hassan, Jean Shaheen. I'm thinking out-of-the-box for
me. You and I discussed this in this
together work together. We did recording.
I told you they should end the shutdown in last week because
your job Donald Trump Republicanis not negotiate with them.
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They're liars. There's no negotiation.
So what Democrats did do, however, is shed light that a
lot of Americans are going to nolonger have the kind of
protection under our healthcare system.
And it's even harder for Americans, especially seniors
and young people and people without a job, to have insurance
in this country. That's what going to happen to
you are unemployed and you go tothe healthcare and get some type
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of recruit. You can't get that, you know
going. To get OK, I'm OK, I'm I'm going
to make I'm going to make this. This show is available.
You've come the liberal around started as a grassroots platform
and we provide news comments andRicardo this no this is
important. I believe that the political I
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believe it this was all part theDemocrats response OK to the to
what they believe would have affected Americans.
Healthcare was a was I think a political move because it's a
political move because they wanted to score points.
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That is what and which affected millions of Americans the same
Americans who they say are healthcare affected.
Well good affected. So and so I don't you know you I
you know, I nobody that the Democrats are have been
struggling with messaging and strategy and this was a bad
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strategy because first of all, the fact that they broke and I
said to you, why so long? OK, we have to detect the 20.
How much a. Bad strategy?
Which strategy? Which one?
Delaying the the government the extending the shutdown.
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OK that you're not. You're not.
Listening to me, the Democrats did not create the shutdown.
I. Don't Ricardo, the Democrats,
they. Caught the shutdown the.
Democrats refusal to the the Democrats filibustered OK
filibustered the Republican deal.
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That is why they were the shutdown.
It's not it had nothing to do with the Republican there the
Democrats refused to they it wasbecause they were filibustered.
The Democrats filibustered the the bill No.
No, no, you're now you're putting 2.
It's two different issues here. The Bills was filibustered from
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when come by the Congress about the Senate.
The Congress put up the bill andsend it to the Senate.
It was filibustered from. It went to the before the bill
itself. The bill itself was passed,
however, after the filibuster and what's his name Speak or
whatever his name did the longest time on the floor and it
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was finally over. It was passed and then they sent
it and it was passed without Democrats.
OK, so OK, what I'm saying fine,Ricardo, what I'm saying No what
I'm no, no, no then it. Was sent 2 every pillar has to
be voted on, 8 Democrats voted or 86 Democrats voted for it
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and. No, no, no, I did.
And I did report earlier becauseI didn't report that 777 Senate
Democrats and it wasn't sorry, sorry.
OK, it was. No, but first of all, the
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shutdown happened. OK, fine.
You say that the bill is separate issue.
No, it's not a separate issue. They made it an issue the big
they did OK. They wanted them to make
adjustments to the big beautifulbill and use the and use the and
use this the the government, thefunding of the government as a
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tool, yes, to get yeah, but that's what the point I'm making
OK to and that's what I'm sayingthe defect, not Ronaldo.
When the bill is passed by, it is sent to the Senate to vote
and only and it got the right number of.
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Votes. And by the way, the point I'm
trying to is the funding, the funding, the funding deal.
There was a funding deal they'rerefusing to back a funding deal
was that was based on the expiration of healthcare
subsidies, which they which manyDemocrats said would hit
millions of households. OK, every card I'm reading, I'm
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reading it says during that the main reason the Democratic
senators gave for refusion to back a funding deal was the
expiry of healthcare subsidies, which they said would hit
millions of house or whatever. What I'm saying, is that right?
No, no. But I'm saying the why?
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No, no, no. It's two different points the.
Reason why they did not mind doing two different points is
because oh during right now withwhat's been funded, he's taking
the funding away from them projects anyway and it's already
been funded So what does it matter if they pass a bill?
Is there other argument? So it's not just that argument.
It's on top of that, right, Ricardo, that, you know, he
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didn't fund that. It's already been funded.
The New York Transit, I mean, subway or whatever, that's
already been funded, but he's not doing it.
What's? What's the point?
He's. Taking money.
Hold on, Ricardo. I'm sorry, what you saying?
Ricky? This is how.
It. Works you can.
Sign a bill, you keep saying Democrats.
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No, no, we're not disagreeing really.
I mean, I think we're confusing points here.
I'm making two points. I said one, of course it was 7
Democrats. It was 7 Democrats who voted to
who broke with the other Democrats and one independent.
OK, Just so you know, one personis independent.
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And, and I said it to you, there's one independent who
Angus is. Angus is independent, the others
are Democrats. And what I'm saying to you, the
Democrats, the Democrats initially in the the shutdown
happened because the Democrats refused OK to.
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Sign a bill to. Sign a bill.
They took their constituents. Off their health care to fund
the government, yes. They took their constituents off
their. Bone of contention was some
other bill, the health care billthey need he needs to agree to
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to include in the health the bigbeautiful bill, the extension of
the the premium for government. OK, or we won't fund, we won't
sign the bill to fund the government.
Now that was what happened. Yes, yes.
Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that.
But yes, OK, the big beautiful if that's.
How I could not notice how Republicans are printing it, but
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go ahead. That is what happened, ladies,
and I'm telling you, the Democrats refuse.
Who is going to sign a bill thatdoesn't protect the people who
you were voted in to protect? But you are already not
protecting them by using a strategy, developing a strategy
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that that also affect them. What you're talking about Trump
has already fired people under these different well, we don't
even know it's legal only. And the good thing is those
people that were fired, they were giving their jobs back too.
That's another the good thing that came back from.
The. Snap benefits that would That's
pure evil on Donald Trump though.
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Trump could have gave that moneyout before the they had a fund
already to decide that had nothing to do with the
government shutdown. Trump chose to use that, which
is another thing that's going tohurt Republican.
He chose to do that, that he hadthe money.
I don't know about that. He did.
He they, he had the money, he could pay people.
He say he could pay people. How you think he going to pay
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the $2000? I got a contingency fine.
He moving money around. It's illegal.
Congress holds the pocketbook, not Trump.
We're still in a deficit and there are many people.
Where was the money from last year, Ronaldo?
We're still in a deficit. And OK, just so you know, we're
still in a deficit. We still owe Trill.
And he created that I. Mean he didn't create the
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deficit he. Created a lot in this race term
and his two terms he's created more debt than any other
president I. Don't know but.
It's go look it up. We look it up I.
Mean you don't hear your you don't hear your brothers denying
that. No, he never he.
Yes he did. It doesn't matter though.
I mean he. Will then don't say Americans
Trump. No.
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Wasn't Trump, Yes, for them, he's serving the American
people. How what is he doing serving
American? Tell me how he's serving
American people. We are is suffering.
We going to food bank permit is the worst ever in the world and
we go and he's getting millions.He's opening the dining rooms
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with gold plated tissels and shit and we're suffering.
What the fuck do you mean he's for the people?
How? I mean, he's been the president,
OK. He's the president.
And who's the president? I don't know if Stephen.
Mills. Or that whole crew is the
president. We don't know who the president
is. On the issue of immigration, we
know why he's created ICE to go deep in American to try to root
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out illegal immigrants who came here over the last five 6/7.
Years and what illegal immigrants is he root not?
I mean, which one? People talking about immigration
issues now? OK, so I'm not.
Hold up, guys, I'm not going to pretend as though he's he's all
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bad, but. How is he all good?
Okay, which good? Just like one thing good he's
doing. All have seen them falling
short. Can you tell me one?
All good. He's done.
We just named some of them. What you hear people talking
about immigration being an issueright now, What's going on?
OK. And the?
People are not happy. What's going on?
I mean, but immigration, but is that OK?
You can't. The borders are closed.
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Yes, you complain. What else are they?
You complain about the borders and immigrants.
OK, you fix. That and then, but then.
People were complaining, say come on.
People are dealing with why people are running from that.
People just people won't like you all the way.
You and people like everything you do, OK?
The fight you create. What do they like about them?
Then tell me what else they likeabout them, of course.
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It's charismatic and funny. Oh.
That's what it. Is but this is the new level
podcast we are talking. This is straight talk.
We're talking about what's goingon the pulse of the country.
Ricardo was on earlier. He had to go off, but please
send us your feedback. Let us know what what do you
feel about the shutdown? Do you agree with the shutdown?
Who do you think were the losersand the winners?
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Do you believe that the Democrats won?
Do you believe that they lost? I have.
I have some concerns about aboutthe shutdown.
I don't believe it was. I believe it was political.
I believe the Democrats wanted to score points in a sense, and
they could have used another way.
If they wanted to shed light about health insurance issues
and so on and about premiums experiment, they could have done
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so another way. This is 21st century.
We have technology, okay? They need to facilitate more
conversations within their constituencies and so on and so
forth and negotiate. Instead, they okay.
Instead, what we have done was over the last four weeks or so,
we they have provided Donald Trump with unilateral authority
to make decisions that ultimately affect food stamps
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and the very same people who thehealthcare people who they said
they're champion for. They help people whose
healthcare are going to lose their premium themselves and
they're championing those people, but yet still the
shutdown that they are not agreeing to fund the shutdown
which is caused by Democrats. That's your thing.
It is caused by the actions of the Democrats.
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OK, their refusal to agree to fund the government, to sign off
on the deal, to sign the government out because they did
not agree with the fact that theObamacare and healthcare
premiums were expiring, OK? And they want and they wanted to
force the president's hand. OK.
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Thank you, Randy, for your comments.
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Thank you, Phil, for being a part of the studio.
And he was spectating, listeningfrom the background.
You might have heard him earlier.
And of course we called it that.I would not make it to you and
we are. This is the Near Liberal Around
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podcast. Yeah, right.
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Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
This is the new Liberal Around podcast.
We have an update as it relates to the government shutdown and
this particular episode of the new Liberal Around podcast.
Myself, Ricardo and another Co host.
Sorry, guest commentator Randolph.
(00:24):
We'll discuss what's going on with the government shutdown and
whether or not the government, whether or not the Republicans
won or whether or not the Democrats.
That's coming up next. But but here is the latest we we
have Reid Cohen from CBS who will give us an an update as to
the latest regarding the shutdown.
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A's and a Senate vote leaked into the night to pass that
funding bill. Finally, there's an end insight
to the US government shutdown. 7Democrats and an independent
joined with Republicans to get the job done.
Listen. The ayes are 60.
The nays are 40. The bill, as amended is passed.
So the bill now heads to the House, and the big question is
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what did Democrats get? They got a promise from
Republicans to hold the Decembervote on extending health care
tax credits. Some in Congress that were still
skeptical that that will ever happen.
Schumer's views are very different than mine.
He is an establishment Democrat,no secret, I am not.
I hope that by electing new members of the Senate we will
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have, in fact, new leadership. But right now you know it is
what it is. John Fetterman joins CBS
Mornings today. He's the lone Democrat who voted
in favor of the bill every time.The key to man was about the
Affordable Care Act. You know, some people call it
Obamacare. What will happen with that now?
And under this, under this situation that you all are
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proposing, what happens to it? What I'm hopeful is, is that
that we are going to create those kinds of extensions, but
we have to negotiate with the Republicans because America
decided to put us in the minority.
You know, they obviously Trump is in the White House and they
also have the majority in the House.
That's the essence of democracy,to find a way forward because
our parties have different priorities.
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And that's why I've always refused to put our government in
the middle of all of it because millions and millions of
American lives will be impacted that way.
Two things must be true, that I want to make healthcare more
affordable for Obamacare, but I also think that our government
should never be held as a hostage.
Whether it's a Republican or whether it's a Democrat, it's
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always wrong. Why Democrats are still very
angry about this legislation, and while why Democrats in the
House are all saying for the most part that they were,
they're not going to crossover and support it.
All right, so we know it's passed.
It goes to the house. What's next?
Well, the House is making their way back to Washington.
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As you know, they've been out for the past seven weeks before
this at the start of the shutdown.
They are coming back. House Speaker Mike Johnson said,
look, everybody should get back as soon as possible because of
all the flight delays and chaos of the airports that's been
caused because of this shutdown.So lawmakers are making their
way back today. They are expected to start
voting on this read tomorrow at 4:00 PM.
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Now, that could take a little while, but that is when they're
hoping that everybody will be back in town, town in Washington
to be able to move forward on this bill.
And as it stands right now, we haven't seen any major
defections from Republicans. Remember, I said most Democrats
are going to vote against this. That means that Mike Johnson
needs all of his Republican members here in Washington to
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cast their vote and to vote for this bill.
He has pledged a swift passage so long as everybody's in town.
So we could see this signed intolaw.
If everything goes according to plan, everything goes well.
That's the that's the report coming from CBS.
Well, I sat down with commentators, with two
commentators of here at the Neoliberal podcast.
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Randolph Travis, who is I guess commentator of the Neoliberal
and the Co commentator on the onthe straight talk and and
episode of the installment series that we do every now and
then. Also Ricardo McKenzie, who is a
senior producer of the neoliberal, a board member here
of the Neoliberal Corporation, but he's also the producer at
(04:20):
the naval global podcast and theCo host of the pulse sat with
him to talk about the this the fact that they they're going to
have ended this, this the standoff and they are there's
going to be a deal is coming outof the out of Capitol Hill.
And this is if so, there will bea the government will be funded
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into the new year, just up to January, I believe.
So we wanted to find out who didthe Democrats win?
Did they achieve anything? We had a very heated debate.
And so I'm, I'm looking forward to, to, to sharing this, the
conversation I had. That's what's coming up next on
the the Liberal round. And you give 20 billion, Hold
(05:18):
up. I hold, let me chime in on that.
And you give 20 billion to Argentina.
You give another 10 billion to help the to help with their
economy with the beef. And then you tell us you don't
have the money to come up with money for food.
And you still fighting the government and most of the
people, I mean, fighting going to the Supreme Court over paying
(05:38):
out SNAP benefits. And you think that this ain't
going to? Thank you.
He's fucked. He's fucked.
We did what we needed to do. No, I don't like how I ended.
I don't like how the Republicanscame.
I mean, how the Democrats went on and went on and opened it.
But at this point, we made the point.
And at the end of the day, Republican, no matter what
happens now, they know that thisis on the Republicans and they
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still don't want to pass them. Yeah, I agree.
With you, I had to open it up because, and it's not on that
only, it was only 8 Democrats who voted for the current bill.
The current bill that you're voting on, Democrats were not
involved in the process. It was parties that every bill
that we pass has always have some kind of budget across the
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board. And obviously the Republican
Party not care for Americans. That is what we have.
They're locking up people, ISIS going into American cities and
walking Americans and treat themlike animals.
People who are Americans, well, I mean, OK, so you and so you
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and Randy. No, it would be more graphic
than what they do. Hold on Ronaldo, because you're
you trying. To wait.
Let's see how. Graphic It was the people that
are being locked up they got. Wait, hold on, Hold on.
No, no, no. Hold on.
Hold on. Yes, hold on.
OK. Where are we talking about the
shutdown? What does that have to do with
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OK, the point is welcome to thisis this is straight talk.
This is the blame for the shutdown.
This is straight talk. And right now, what I have said
earlier, the initial I'm here with Ricardo and what we said
earlier, what I have said earlier is that I don't what did
they achieve, What did the Democrats achieve from this
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shutdown? They did not achieve anything.
They're not running the country,they can't achieve anything.
Of course they did achieve. Everything and you guys, I think
that they did achieve something.Yes, OK.
And because people get to blame the dump, they the Republicans.
They are, what is everybody talking about now?
Their insurance premium. What are you about to do now?
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Sign up for insurance? What do you know if you got to
go on tomorrow? I, I don't even want to look
yet, but isn't we're in that enrollment period right now.
Everybody's talking about how high it's gone up.
If you got a family and you wantto open market, you can't.
It's unaffordable if you got a child that has any type of
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disability or needs. On.
OK, fine. So what?
What does that have to do with the shutdown and?
What we got, we got. People to they the shutdown is
Ricardo. Ricardo, what do you have to
say? OK, fine.
But what? OK, you are going to make a
point. Sorry, go ahead.
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You were. Talking to me.
I was saying that there at the end of the day, people are going
to realize and this is not a Republican or Democrat thing.
This is people who have pre-existing conditions are
going to want to find a job. I mean go get health insurance
and they can't afford it. The average plan if you were
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paying $800 a month has now jumped to over 4000 a month.
Did you did. That's why Marjorie Taylor Green
is even saying what the fuck arewe doing?
We want to cancel it, but what is our plan?
OK. And that's, so they put that to
the light because they, the Republicans were going to spin
it or trying to spin it and say that, oh, it's just Obamacare
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was garbage. Obamacare was garbage.
But they don't have a plan. And that's a problem for them.
And now it's really a problem for them because if they did go
ahead and open up the governmentand I'm, I've still got mixed
feelings about them opening up the government, but they but I
do want people to get paid. I want people need to get paid.
And we have an evil man in office who don't give a fuck
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about people starving. There's kids.
I work with kids. These are the people are really
going to starve. And and OK.
Fine, fine. So you're OK?
I don't want to talk about Donald Trump being evil.
But that has some everything to do with the.
No, not. Not many people think that he's
evil. You think he's evil?
OK, he is evil. You don't think he's evil?
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He is evil. You don't think he's equal?
OK, let's say the judges orderedeverybody to give him back.
Snap. No, no, no, no, hold on.
No, we will not. No.
Young man, this is this is this podcast will not I'm telling you
you in a professional intellectual conversation.
Wait, hold on. No, we are talking.
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This is how we hold on. What I'm saying is that we don't
make a valid judgment about someone's conscience on this
program. We got we it's out of our
purview to do so less and we allsay judge judge not less DP that
we don't make right. We do we cannot we don't make a
valid judgment on people's country.
So the government is shut down and we're saying that we don't
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agree with the shutdown. You agree with because he has
brought the shutdown has broughtlight yes, to some of the issues
that is affecting Americans. OK, so and that that's the first
point it has brought light and that but it needed 810 to 40
days for that to happen regarding in the comic.
Agree, agree. I agree with that.
But we needed to know where the American people were, and that's
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why the election needed to happen.
Wait, hold up. You're saying it needed?
Go ahead. Sorry, I don't care how.
Many days you need that. They said they could have ended
my last week. Or why didn't they end it from
last week? That's that.
Well, they're beyond last week. We've left in the past.
Let's talk about that present. They had to end it because first
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of all, Speaker Johnson had closed down the contract so that
and they're closed out. So they weren't even working.
The Democrats had reached Constantinely everything they
could in order to come up with with a bipartisan plan and say
This is why and we didn't vote. And it's not like they didn't
shut it down. They voted against the bill that
came up to them and they said no, it's going to hurt my
constituents and it's your job to do that.
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The bill came to tuition in front of you.
You don't like it. All the Republicans in the
Senate vote for it. The Democrats, except for a few
of them, did not. Okay, what?
You can't call it. Democrats shut down.
It's just two. Or is that, to be honest with
you, only about 8. What happened?
We got the three additional votes from Democrats who were in
purple and red states who voted for the bill that made it pass.
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It passed narrowly because they got every single Republican
except for one person. So I'm not going to call it a
Democrat. So I know what I'm going to call
it is they there was an impasse and the Republicans who manages
both houses and the executive and Evelyn, they came together
and created a bill regardless, like 50 or 40 percent, 45% of
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American like it because it was it was not a unilateral thing.
They did not negotiate. They just say we're gonna do
whatever you're gonna have to vote on it.
And that's what they did. And so Democrats were like no, 8
of them said are some, a few of that, but most of them said no.
So you can't call it. They want to do that and blame
name and take Democrat shutdown.It was not OK.
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It was a Republican shutdown because they came up with a bill
and did not get any input from Democrats.
And they had gotten a little bitmore input from Democrats.
But the bill that they sent up to the Senate, then maybe they
would not have shut down becausethey could not do what they're
supposed to do. You can't run a country and not
come together 'cause you're managing in America, not just
red states. And I feel as though if we are
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in the United States of America,we have to manage and govern the
United States of America and notone section of people, OK, A lot
of people are going to lose their health care.
They shut life to it. Yeah, they could have come to
their end, but it's. Not so let me ask you guys.
Let me ask you and Randy a question then.
OK, fine. We have this shut down.
So what are we hearing? Are they going by the way,
everyone, this is the nailable around podcast and I'm in all of
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the the nailable around. We have Randy of of straight of
the straight talker and of course, Ricardo of the pulse.
And so tell me, did you what's going on now in terms of
healthcare because of the shut? So they're going to fund the
government. Wait, they're going to fund the
government. They're going to fund the
government until January. And so, so yeah, what's the what
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you said? What are you?
They are going to renegotiate. So that had nothing to do with
this. You can't do that's exactly the
Democrat or not. Republicans have not negotiated
anything with the Democrats. They have not done anything.
I have never seen it before. So wait, So what I don't know
what you guys are telling me, isthat OK, they're planning on
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opening back the government and there is and it's and they're
still going to accept the bill that I mean, and they still got,
they're still going to approve the big beautiful bill which got
health insurance. Yes.
And what's going to happen though, in January, though,
their constituents will be then got those insurance premiums and
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it won't be sustainable unless they just want to be wiped out.
And they're not be a Republican Party because that's what's
going to happen if they don't. And they know this.
And that's why either way, it's a win for Democrats on this
issue. They're going to make exceptions
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with insurance companies in the middle of the year.
They are so good at using certain words.
They just put words in our headsand it's stuck.
So what they doing, the Republicans all rally around one
talking point. You don't negotiate and that's
probably the Democrat itself. It's not 8 Democrats voted for
the bill and those eight people to look at that because it's
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still. OK, who are these eight you know
you got? Yes.
What's his name? He just got booed.
That's what they were just showing today.
Fetterman of Pennsylvania, he was just on the View today and
they viewed. They booed his ass off.
Fetterman. Fetterman has been it's it's
completely but. That's for our health insurance
here in Pennsylvania that he voted for to get rid of.
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I What I don't understand with Fetterman is the Pennsylvania he
is, but we the liberals, Democrats voted for him.
But he do, you know, during thatprocess, there was a lot going
on right there, but it was a lotof racism shit going on with him
then and a lot of people. Your boy.
But Pennsylvania, it is very racist.
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But they voted all Democratic this week, just two weeks ago,
last week. I'm sorry, all Democrat, all
them little switchy, all went Democrat.
OK, fine. Who else?
Who else voted? I don't know the rest.
Of them you know. It was Angus King.
He voted. The guy Klein did was Hillary
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Clinton's vice president. I forgot his name, but him and
it was a couple others. It was it was only 8 of them out
of 43. So I'm OK and that still doesn't
mean anything. And the problem is, and this is
what's going to happen with Mandani.
People are realizing that you don't eat just because.
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First of all, let's get we and I'm know I'm going a little bit
off, but it had a. Relationship.
No, I'm happy you talk about my.Whatever his name is, Ricardo is
from New York, So. So Ricardo probably could.
I haven't spoken to Ricardo to hear his reaction to Mandani,
whatever his name is being. So yeah.
So listen, socialism. Yes.
They talk about they hate socialism.
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But they. Obamacare is a socialist policy.
They hate having people get freehealth care.
What they call it free, but we pay for these government people
to have health care and the House ain't been in session for
8 weeks. We paying them, they get full
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year salary, they make more thaneverybody else, and they decide
who could get help put their asson the health care market.
By the way, I have the response for you the the senators who the
Democrats, sorry, who backed theRepublican shutdown deal.
Jude Shereen he's the seven that7 Demo Senate The seven Senate
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Democrats plus one independent voted on Sunday to support the
Republican deal to reopen the USgovernment the US government.
The defections broke a week longdeadlock during which the
Democratic Party resisted pressure to end the longest ever
shutdown US shutdown. The main reason Democrat
senators gave for refusing to back the the the which was deal
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was the expired expiration of the healthcare subsidies which
they said would hit millions of household.
So, so a group who sided with the Republicans and what they
have to say, Tim Kaine, the first thing he had to say or is
that none of none of them faced re election in 2026 and Virginia
Senator Clinton is no different.No, he's no Hillary Clinton's
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running mate in 2016. That's what.
I said he backed. He said that he backed the
Republican deal because it wouldprotect workers and set the US
on the path towards fixing Republican health care mess.
True. Why did I?
Why is that true? It's because the Republicans got
to do something now and they can't blame nobody but
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themselves because they they wanted to push through this
instead of dealing with it now. So now, people, in January,
you're going to get your bill. You've already chosen your plan.
I don't know what they doing. I'm going.
To. Tell you what's happening.
This is out-of-the-box idea and you're ready for it.
Out-of-the-box idea and I'll go Republicans don't want
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healthcare and they don't want Obamacare.
One, Barack Obama is hated by Donald Trump and they don't want
to even they don't even want a health better healthcare system.
What they want is for Americans who do 1099 who get any kind of
dunk or and help whatsoever to go get an extra job.
If you have to work 2 jobs to pay your healthcare, you have to
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you have to go and work at a traditional company now to get
healthcare. They don't want anyone to go to
the market system because they want, because all people are
doing 1099. They want everyone to go to work
and even if they have to get lower pay, that's what they're
doing. That's what I'm thinking is
happening. The idea here is to not support.
However, the problem you're going to have now is what about
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children and? What about seniors, because what
they want is for everyone in theeveryone within between certain
ages, certain age, including even 27 year olds.
That's what they're doing. They want everyone to get a
regular 95 or job. They want all of us to go back
to work because Americans, a lotof Americans now after COVID
have their own jobs at 1099. They have the insurance to
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Obamacare and it's great, all right, because they don't have
to pay that much because it's the marketplace to their current
jobs. So now everyone who's on 1099
can't do that because they're going to increase your IP, not
protect it anymore. The idea is now all of these
people now have to go back to a job.
They have to go to work and workfor restaurants or work for
Dunkin' Donuts or farm or work for any company that these big
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billionaires have established. Now we have to go back to work
and work for the man. You can't have your own company
anymore. So that's what you're changing
the system so that we all now have to go back to work.
That they don't want people to have 1099.
You said it right now, they're recently that they're discarding
people from having their own jobbecause all these people are
influencers. They're all 1099.
There's a lot more people who are employed.
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That's why they were, they were,they were regulating social
media, Yeah. Yes.
So this is what's going on. You don't see it, but I always
talk. About out-of-the-box like this
is just a theory, but by the way, so I'm just King Dick
Durbin from Illinois was one of the government one of the the
the the House people that backedit Democrat the with Jackie
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Roseanne as well. You know, Jackie Roseanne from
Nevada John Vetterman John Fetterman said he did it because
and then said I'm sorry to our military snap recipient governor
government workers, Capitol police who haven't been paid in
a week. So it affect people in a very
significant way. So Catherine Cortez, Masto Maji
(22:05):
Hassan, Jean Shaheen. I'm thinking out-of-the-box for
me. You and I discussed this in this
together work together. We did recording.
I told you they should end the shutdown in last week because
your job Donald Trump Republicanis not negotiate with them.
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They're liars. There's no negotiation.
So what Democrats did do, however, is shed light that a
lot of Americans are going to nolonger have the kind of
protection under our healthcare system.
And it's even harder for Americans, especially seniors
and young people and people without a job, to have insurance
in this country. That's what going to happen to
you are unemployed and you go tothe healthcare and get some type
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of recruit. You can't get that, you know
going. To get OK, I'm OK, I'm I'm going
to make I'm going to make this. This show is available.
You've come the liberal around started as a grassroots platform
and we provide news comments andRicardo this no this is
important. I believe that the political I
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believe it this was all part theDemocrats response OK to the to
what they believe would have affected Americans.
Healthcare was a was I think a political move because it's a
political move because they wanted to score points.
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That is what and which affected millions of Americans the same
Americans who they say are healthcare affected.
Well good affected. So and so I don't you know you I
you know, I nobody that the Democrats are have been
struggling with messaging and strategy and this was a bad
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strategy because first of all, the fact that they broke and I
said to you, why so long? OK, we have to detect the 20.
How much a. Bad strategy?
Which strategy? Which one?
Delaying the the government the extending the shutdown.
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OK that you're not. You're not.
Listening to me, the Democrats did not create the shutdown.
I. Don't Ricardo, the Democrats,
they. Caught the shutdown the.
Democrats refusal to the the Democrats filibustered OK
filibustered the Republican deal.
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That is why they were the shutdown.
It's not it had nothing to do with the Republican there the
Democrats refused to they it wasbecause they were filibustered.
The Democrats filibustered the the bill No.
No, no, you're now you're putting 2.
It's two different issues here. The Bills was filibustered from
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when come by the Congress about the Senate.
The Congress put up the bill andsend it to the Senate.
It was filibustered from. It went to the before the bill
itself. The bill itself was passed,
however, after the filibuster and what's his name Speak or
whatever his name did the longest time on the floor and it
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was finally over. It was passed and then they sent
it and it was passed without Democrats.
OK, so OK, what I'm saying fine,Ricardo, what I'm saying No what
I'm no, no, no then it. Was sent 2 every pillar has to
be voted on, 8 Democrats voted or 86 Democrats voted for it
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and. No, no, no, I did.
And I did report earlier becauseI didn't report that 777 Senate
Democrats and it wasn't sorry, sorry.
OK, it was. No, but first of all, the
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shutdown happened. OK, fine.
You say that the bill is separate issue.
No, it's not a separate issue. They made it an issue the big
they did OK. They wanted them to make
adjustments to the big beautifulbill and use the and use the and
use this the the government, thefunding of the government as a
(26:30):
tool, yes, to get yeah, but that's what the point I'm making
OK to and that's what I'm sayingthe defect, not Ronaldo.
When the bill is passed by, it is sent to the Senate to vote
and only and it got the right number of.
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Votes. And by the way, the point I'm
trying to is the funding, the funding, the funding deal.
There was a funding deal they'rerefusing to back a funding deal
was that was based on the expiration of healthcare
subsidies, which they which manyDemocrats said would hit
millions of households. OK, every card I'm reading, I'm
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reading it says during that the main reason the Democratic
senators gave for refusion to back a funding deal was the
expiry of healthcare subsidies, which they said would hit
millions of house or whatever. What I'm saying, is that right?
No, no. But I'm saying the why?
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No, no, no. It's two different points the.
Reason why they did not mind doing two different points is
because oh during right now withwhat's been funded, he's taking
the funding away from them projects anyway and it's already
been funded So what does it matter if they pass a bill?
Is there other argument? So it's not just that argument.
It's on top of that, right, Ricardo, that, you know, he
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didn't fund that. It's already been funded.
The New York Transit, I mean, subway or whatever, that's
already been funded, but he's not doing it.
What's? What's the point?
He's. Taking money.
Hold on, Ricardo. I'm sorry, what you saying?
Ricky? This is how.
It. Works you can.
Sign a bill, you keep saying Democrats.
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No, no, we're not disagreeing really.
I mean, I think we're confusing points here.
I'm making two points. I said one, of course it was 7
Democrats. It was 7 Democrats who voted to
who broke with the other Democrats and one independent.
OK, Just so you know, one personis independent.
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And, and I said it to you, there's one independent who
Angus is. Angus is independent, the others
are Democrats. And what I'm saying to you, the
Democrats, the Democrats initially in the the shutdown
happened because the Democrats refused OK to.
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Sign a bill to. Sign a bill.
They took their constituents. Off their health care to fund
the government, yes. They took their constituents off
their. Bone of contention was some
other bill, the health care billthey need he needs to agree to
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to include in the health the bigbeautiful bill, the extension of
the the premium for government. OK, or we won't fund, we won't
sign the bill to fund the government.
Now that was what happened. Yes, yes.
Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that.
But yes, OK, the big beautiful if that's.
How I could not notice how Republicans are printing it, but
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go ahead. That is what happened, ladies,
and I'm telling you, the Democrats refuse.
Who is going to sign a bill thatdoesn't protect the people who
you were voted in to protect? But you are already not
protecting them by using a strategy, developing a strategy
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that that also affect them. What you're talking about Trump
has already fired people under these different well, we don't
even know it's legal only. And the good thing is those
people that were fired, they were giving their jobs back too.
That's another the good thing that came back from.
The. Snap benefits that would That's
pure evil on Donald Trump though.
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Trump could have gave that moneyout before the they had a fund
already to decide that had nothing to do with the
government shutdown. Trump chose to use that, which
is another thing that's going tohurt Republican.
He chose to do that, that he hadthe money.
I don't know about that. He did.
He they, he had the money, he could pay people.
He say he could pay people. How you think he going to pay
(30:52):
the $2000? I got a contingency fine.
He moving money around. It's illegal.
Congress holds the pocketbook, not Trump.
We're still in a deficit and there are many people.
Where was the money from last year, Ronaldo?
We're still in a deficit. And OK, just so you know, we're
still in a deficit. We still owe Trill.
And he created that I. Mean he didn't create the
(31:13):
deficit he. Created a lot in this race term
and his two terms he's created more debt than any other
president I. Don't know but.
It's go look it up. We look it up I.
Mean you don't hear your you don't hear your brothers denying
that. No, he never he.
Yes he did. It doesn't matter though.
I mean he. Will then don't say Americans
Trump. No.
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Wasn't Trump, Yes, for them, he's serving the American
people. How what is he doing serving
American? Tell me how he's serving
American people. We are is suffering.
We going to food bank permit is the worst ever in the world and
we go and he's getting millions.He's opening the dining rooms
(31:55):
with gold plated tissels and shit and we're suffering.
What the fuck do you mean he's for the people?
How? I mean, he's been the president,
OK. He's the president.
And who's the president? I don't know if Stephen.
Mills. Or that whole crew is the
president. We don't know who the president
is. On the issue of immigration, we
know why he's created ICE to go deep in American to try to root
(32:18):
out illegal immigrants who came here over the last five 6/7.
Years and what illegal immigrants is he root not?
I mean, which one? People talking about immigration
issues now? OK, so I'm not.
Hold up, guys, I'm not going to pretend as though he's he's all
(32:39):
bad, but. How is he all good?
Okay, which good? Just like one thing good he's
doing. All have seen them falling
short. Can you tell me one?
All good. He's done.
We just named some of them. What you hear people talking
about immigration being an issueright now, What's going on?
OK. And the?
People are not happy. What's going on?
I mean, but immigration, but is that OK?
You can't. The borders are closed.
(33:00):
Yes, you complain. What else are they?
You complain about the borders and immigrants.
OK, you fix. That and then, but then.
People were complaining, say come on.
People are dealing with why people are running from that.
People just people won't like you all the way.
You and people like everything you do, OK?
The fight you create. What do they like about them?
Then tell me what else they likeabout them, of course.
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It's charismatic and funny. Oh.
That's what it. Is but this is the new level
podcast we are talking. This is straight talk.
We're talking about what's goingon the pulse of the country.
Ricardo was on earlier. He had to go off, but please
send us your feedback. Let us know what what do you
feel about the shutdown? Do you agree with the shutdown?
Who do you think were the losersand the winners?
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Do you believe that the Democrats won?
Do you believe that they lost? I have.
I have some concerns about aboutthe shutdown.
I don't believe it was. I believe it was political.
I believe the Democrats wanted to score points in a sense, and
they could have used another way.
If they wanted to shed light about health insurance issues
and so on and about premiums experiment, they could have done
(34:04):
so another way. This is 21st century.
We have technology, okay? They need to facilitate more
conversations within their constituencies and so on and so
forth and negotiate. Instead, they okay.
Instead, what we have done was over the last four weeks or so,
we they have provided Donald Trump with unilateral authority
to make decisions that ultimately affect food stamps
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and the very same people who thehealthcare people who they said
they're champion for. They help people whose
healthcare are going to lose their premium themselves and
they're championing those people, but yet still the
shutdown that they are not agreeing to fund the shutdown
which is caused by Democrats. That's your thing.
It is caused by the actions of the Democrats.
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OK, their refusal to agree to fund the government, to sign off
on the deal, to sign the government out because they did
not agree with the fact that theObamacare and healthcare
premiums were expiring, OK? And they want and they wanted to
force the president's hand. OK.
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(35:30):
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We are hoping to release it ahead of November 25.
Thank you, Randy, for your comments.
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Thank you, Phil, for being a part of the studio.
And he was spectating, listeningfrom the background.
You might have heard him earlier.
And of course we called it that.I would not make it to you and
we are. This is the Near Liberal Around
(36:18):
podcast. Yeah, right.
(37:06):
Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
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