October 21, 2025 • 40 mins
On Today's episode we talk Geo Politics, Globalization, Immigration and US Politics.
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This is the new Liberal around podcast.
I'm here talking having a discussion with Ricardo.
This is the pulse and this is Saturday and we are doing audio
but and I wanted to. Make the I don't.
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I don't have a problem with the the with the policy to policy to
address immigration, the immigration issue.
I don't have a problem because Iteach Caribbean thought.
And I said on this program before, one of my students was
in same kids was in same kids and he was in one of those cabin
countries and he's Turks and Caicos, Turks and Caicos.
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And she's from Jamaica, but she's working in Turks and
Caicos as a teacher, and I'm teaching my class.
And she said, Ronaldo, we have aproblem with immigration, with
the people coming here right now, the Turks and Caicos people
are being outnumbered by the immigrants.
Yes, that's a problem. So now they have created
draconian laws, Turks and Caicos.
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They have too many immigrants, commented Turks and.
Caicos. Yes, they have.
Small where they coming? Yeah, but now they're
outnumbering the Turks and Caicos and even the language is
changing because OK, that's a problem.
So. And you know, when I, when I,
when I heard this, I said, wow, let's come.
So the Turks and Caicos have restrictive immigration policies
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now against Jamaicans and other people within the region, OK,
Because they are, their culture is affected, their people are
being affected, OK, So they, andthey are doing that.
So why should we be upset if theAmerica have strict immigration
law if they believe that it makethe it's affecting the the the
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what they call it is. That far.
No, we are. The people, the language
demographic. Oh, the demographic.
Yeah, the demographical makeup is going to strain them in and
that may filter out into the cult.
It's going to affect the cultureand the and so on and so forth.
So they. Have to.
Create some kind of laws. Laws, I agree.
Actions. But it has to be done in a
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human, human way. Yeah, OK.
You mean if there are people whoare here already, you don't go
about this deporting them, throwing them?
A lot of these people have gone through so much throwing them
into something, throwing them into like what they have to
create. What I think needed to happen is
Democrats and Republicans comes together, sit at the table, have
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objective and substantial discussion, substantive
discussion about ways in which we could improve it.
I am a liberal, OK, And I do believe that the immigration
problem needs to be fixed every nobody disagree and that's how
they need to start the conversation.
Nobody disagree that there is a fix with immigration.
First of all, you don't want other countries to experience
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brain drain. You see how I'm looking at it?
I'm looking at it from outside. Americans don't care about
people on the outside. What you, what I'm looking at it
from, I'm looking at it from we have people in Jamaica, Turk and
Caicos in other countries who are intelligent and they're
coming here. What's going to happen to that
country when all of the brains are gone?
You need to ensure that the there's no brain drain
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happening. They usually.
But it's not within America's interest.
It is for, I mean, no, because I, I was making the, by the way,
the last podcast episode we did with what's his name again,
Bryce Eddie of Turning Point andthe Bryce Eddie Show.
I was making the point about immigration, and I'm saying that
brain drain, it can be a good thing and a bad thing, you know,
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because there's not enough opportunities available in these
countries and now opportunities are opening up for in other
places like in the US. No, I I disagree with you.
And the second thing is it's notin America's interest for these
countries. I disagree with you the best for
these countries to do. Well, I disagree with you.
On what point? It is their interest.
For these countries. To do well, you know.
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Why? It's going to affect our
competitive level. Ronaldo, my mother had.
Our mother had cancer. She had to come to this country.
Yeah. Do you know how many
radiologists are in Jamaica? None.
OK. Do you know how many doctors
they don't have? And if you and if the and and
and what happened to get an international?
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They get a degree to go overseas.
America, get my scholarship to go overseas.
They're gone. They're in Canada.
They're going to all of these industrial nations.
So these industrial countries like Canada, Jamaica, Frank,
they're raping these small countries that don't even have
the resources. And now these people have to try
overseas to get the type of healthcare and the service they.
Need, I mean, I mean, if Americahas a if it's a politics of
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altruism, yes, but the point I'mtrying to make is we live in a
competitive world. It's not in America's interest
for the other countries, satellite countries to, to have
these highly skilled people and to do well because it's going to
affect America's greatness, America's level, because if all
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these countries have become competitive and have highly
skilled workers and so on and soforth.
Then people come here. Precise and not only that.
Yeah, and we won't have the greatest of everything.
Yes. No, they will.
Because America is still going to be here, but it's just a lot
of people you can't have. For example, my situation is you
have 10 doctors who are people from Jamaica who got scholarship
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to come here to become doctors. All right?
You don't give all ten of them citizenship.
I'm sorry, one, I'm going to have to go back.
That's a good point. That's what needs, This is why
I'm saying we have to come to the table and really think
outside the box. That is the outside the box
things I'm talking about. Go to Jamaica the other day,
whatever his name is, the head of state, what's his name the
the Spanish guy Rubio, he was inJamaica and we understand what
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they're doing there. They're doing there to push
their own interest. Yes, because that has always
been the case. And because if you watch, that's
what Michael Michael Manley said, that when we went to the
US and they asked them for loansin the 1970s.
Eliminate education, he said. And he's and the Americans tied
it to these conditions. And they said that you cannot do
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XY and Z, you cannot subsidized and so on.
And they said, no, how can we? We have to help our families.
We have to. And they said that's not my
business, that's your business. There you go.
And that's how they perpetuate the sit and make education and
make immigration become an issuein this country.
Immigration is only an issue in this country because the
decisions that America and industrialized nations made in
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the 70s. They also was trying to stop
countries or communist countrieslike China and and Cuba and
Russia or USSR at the time from influencing these Caribbean
islands. Because the Caribbean islands
and some other smaller country was looking like they were
becoming socialists and they want them to be capitalism and
free market. But the only way immigration is
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going to be fixed in this country is unless America help
those they have to do it. They they.
Well, yeah, yeah. And I, that's what I said in the
book, the book Near Liberalism. That's what we said.
I know that we all agree, but wait until we if, OK, fine.
You want to, you want to resolveillegal immigration, then OK,
let's have a live a level playing field within the
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Americas in terms of how we compete economically.
OK, So what I'm saying, right? But that is not in America's
interest. Really.
Not really. Recorded you're what you're
saying is so is is is antithesisto everything you're saying that
America wants immigration. They are they prompt they
they're promoting illegal immigration on and our legal
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immigration because Americans you and I talked about this
earlier. I think a lot of weight, a lot
of Americans, a lot, especially America, conservative Americans,
don't even understand the word immigration.
They have a dilemma. They think every the word
immigrant means illegal. But they have a dilemma.
They have a dilemma because illegal immigration helps in one
sense, but in a neighbor, yes. And it helps to drive down
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inflation, yes. Because now, right.
Yeah, it really helps. In that sense, OK.
But illegal immigration is also the result of draconian policies
that has helped to maintain the competitive level of the US.
Yes, right. So how to How do you reconcile
the 2 now? And that is the discussion.
This is what I'm talking to you about.
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This is a great discussion because you know why every time
you talk to people like MAGA, conservative, especially even
liberal, even Democrats like thecrazy liberals.
OK, I mean, I'm a liberal, so I just they're crazy ones too.
They don't understand immigration.
They don't understand Banana Republic, Chiquita banana.
How the? US literally destroy the 90s.
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And destroy the Jamaica agriculture system.
Not Jamaica, but the Caribbean banana system.
Yes, by getting rid of the preferential.
Treatment, yes, investment in the shiki, the banana can make
money and you know I mean they don't really understand this
right. I'm talking these people are on
TikTok and talking about illegals and people are jumping
over trains and jump walking under thing that that's just
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literally surface level. I am done with surface level and
superficial discussion about immigration with these ignorant
people because they don't understand it because you and I
know that there is a problem with immigration, but the
question should be why is there a problem?
Why is immigration a problem? Why can't we fix it?
That's the question. They don't understand it.
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Why did it start? Why is it a problem?
All right, Why are these people coming here for you to fix the
problem? They have to get to the root.
They're not getting the root. They just want to pick these
people, treat them like animals,send them back and people are
always going to be coming. Here, well, it's you know, it's
a two. It's it's The thing is, the
problem is, I tell you, it's a dilemma, though they're in a
it's a pic. They're in a dilemma.
They are. It's a dilemma.
Ronaldo, you talked about the opportunity cost and trade off.
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So yes, so maybe what they should then, OK, maybe they
should, oh, maybe the decision making should utilize the
economic principle of the cost benefit analysis.
Well, there you go, adjustment. Opportunity cost and trade off,
OK, All right. I mean, So what are we going to
do then? Ronaldo, immigration is an
economic instrument. It's a it's a part of economy.
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If you're going to discuss, if you're going to discuss
immigration, you have to look atit from an economic perspective,
from economy, economy. That's what you look at.
If you look at it that way, a lot of people can't discuss it,
even the surface level people, because they don't.
Understand, you know, you know when I you know, Fabrizio.
Fabrizio Grizia, an economist, says that inequality, some
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amount of inequality is necessary, some amount of
poverty is necessary and capitalism and so, yes, and so
they and also some amount of illegal immigration is
necessary. Why did he say that?
OK, because it helps to address some of the because first of
all, capitalism helps to create itself, to create income
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inequality, but we need it. Yes, it has to create poverty,
but we need it. We need people so that they can
we can maintain a level of productivity in this country
work. So what about those people?
We said forget capitalism, then we want authoritarianism because
authoritarianism is very different from.
Capitalism, right? Within a capitalist country and
a competitive everybody can't come first.
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This country, I mean, the systemthat we have is capitalism that
is competitive winners and losers.
Everybody can win and there willbe losers.
The losers, the people who will work the hardest.
So therefore, the people who arerich today, the policies that
Donald Trump and his cronies areconcocting, our policies that
benefit those who are winners, Well, yeah, so and that's and
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but however we have a responsibility, but however we
have a response, we have always had the responsibility still to
look out for the poor man, to look out for the losers.
And so we still. Used to do that.
That is why the American system makes sense.
This is what's the word we're looking for the project.
I forgot what they always use. Project 2020 not.
Project like the title or capitalist or democratic system
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in America have it's like the American.
Market, yeah. Because here's the deal for it,
for capitalism to the problem capitalism that it can be
hurtful, it can be unfair. So because of what you just said
about some people, it makes somepeople, you know, you have,
you're going to have poor, you're going to have all of this
stuff. That's where you come in with
big government, right? You need big government, you
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need the legislative. Branch no but.
Because wait, because the legislative branch and executive
branch and judicial branch ensure that everybody has an
opportunity here, including the poor man.
Everybody we didn't go to that's.
Republicanism. Yes, even that one Republicanism
is about. Who are left?
The people. Who are in the minority.
We still protect them. Because you know what?
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Still have a voice. Yeah, because the wealthy.
Man, the rich man have to dependon the masses to become wealthy
and so you on the backs of the poor and the middle class.
That means it's the onus is now on the government to ensure that
everyone have an opportunity that people are not taken
advantage of by these big capitalists.
But right now, what Donald Trumpis doing and the mega is eroding
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the the the blanket that the system has created to ensure
that capitalism don't leave everybody behind and so that
these people are somewhat taken advantage of.
We are talking to Ricardo. We are.
This is the pulse. It's a Saturday.
We are in Long Branch, NJ. This is great.
This is coming off the heels of that great podcast interview,
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Ricardo, that we did with Bryce Eddie of Turning Point.
What would you have thought about that?
I know there are we had a lot ofstuff hanging.
He you did ask him a question about socialism and he did say
that you, you know his idea of socialism is different from your
idea of socialism. Well, because he doesn't
understand what socialism is andwhat it's all about.
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And I told him if he was a Christian and believe in God,
Jesus was the first. If you're going to take it back
to Christianity, somebody don't like to talk about that.
But if most of the mega movementand the Trump movement is about
Christianity and they, they get their, their, their power from
or under the guise of that. So I do believe that if you're
going to do talk about that, then you really have to to
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understand socialism from a genome.
I'm going to make a point I wanted to make.
I'm going to make a point. What's that?
I'm going to make a point as a theologian, OK, And someone who
has been exposed to Christian theology, yes.
And who teach at the seminary, OK.
Yet when I was in Jamaica in 2003, I learned about cult and
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occult doing world religions. What is a cult of Christianity?
A cult of Christianity is peoplewho claim to be Christians but
deny the essential tenets of theChristian faith.
Yes. Some people would say that
Christian nationalists today whosupport Donald Trump are cults.
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They claim to be Christian, but they're not Christian because
their idea of socialism is not Jesus's idea of socialism.
Yeah, yes, correct. Their idea of love is not the
love that Jesus talks about, this altruistic love, this the
sacrificial love. That's not love.
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OK, except for and then and thenDonald Trump himself, yes, has
done wrong. Yet they don't see him as doing
wrong. They see the people who is he is
exacting vengeance against as a justice move.
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So wait, so this what they have done and justified.
They have redefined the thing and that's what I'm talking
about. So this is what you call a cult
of Christianity? People who claim to be
Christians, but they're not, because their love is half love,
their truth half truth. Well, it's really tribal, right?
Have you read First Corinthians 13613?
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How about Romans? 30 Yeah.
What is love? Yes, God is love, and he who
dwelleth in God abide it in. And then he talks about Jesus.
Oh, you don't have a true idea of love.
True love expresses itself in sacrificial and constructive
means. So what is love then?
Jesus demonstrated what true love?
What he? Said to me yes, when I talked
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about stuff like this, what about the 10 commandments?
What about rules Jesus and God said that the country lost Trump
anything else and guess what that's not what the Bible said.
The Bible did not say that the Bible said that he fulfilled the
commandments all right and when the country laws goes against
Jesus's practices, that's when you have to abandon them.
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God said that this. Country was not founded on
Christianity, no. It was founded on the freedom to
worship. You're in your.
Own way it never says in the Christian God and you know why
wait do you know why the founders of this great nation
decided to separate church and state for two reasons.
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One, because they because first of all church no.
Well, yeah, but church if to if you, you cannot, there cannot be
a marriage between church and state because this great
America, which is a separation from what they call it.
Church and state. And privilege, yeah, OK.
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And this monarchy, yes, if you say that there's a marriage
between church and state, that means you're privileged in one
religion over another. And if this America was founded
on dismantling privilege and themonarchy, then therefore you
cannot there. So that's a very good.
Point yes, that's discount yet so you cannot say it was found
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on Christa because then you are singling out one religion out of
another. The constitution and the
foundation of this country does not speak to a particular.
There is no specificity. It doesn't talk about
Christianity. It talks about God in general
because it did and it and they deliberately did not.
They deliberately separated church and state because church
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is Christian. And this, this union is not
about a Christian religion. It's beyond Christianity.
It's beyond a particular cultural experience of God.
Ronaldo, do you know how many big time Christians and pastors
in the past that have had sex with women, had sex with men and
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their pastors and and their pastors of multi multi pastors
to the huge organizations and you know what happened?
People look the other way. They don't care because what you
talk about was cult. And so that's why I believe what
they're doing right now in this,it's called somebody said to me
the other way, I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm just, that's who I
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am. I'm I'm a conservative.
So you're conservative, you're going to, you're willing to sell
your soul to the devil or sell yourself to give up your belief
system just because, because of who you are.
Because I am this thing, I will never tell anyone because
because I am a liberal, I am going to believe that when kids
are born, a parent is going to change their sex from one thing
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to the next. And I should believe that
because I am a liberal. No, that's not right.
So people, This is why I do believe that the conservative
movement in this country have totake a stand and then they're
pushing like Eddie Bryce talk about this.
He keep pushing this this men, men want to get pregnant.
I have to tell you something, Ronaldo.
I have never heard that argument.
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Maybe he's out there, but I've never heard.
Men want to get pregnant. He kept men, that is.
But wait. But that is wait, wait.
That is novel. Wait, how?
That's the if we have that powerwhere we can allow men to make
to become pregnant. Woman would want to do that.
That whoa, that is great. That's how powerful human beings
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are, OK. Because if we can do that, we
can do anything. Life is what you make it, or
what you allow others to make ofit for you.
Yeah, and and and. And and we're talking with
Ricardo, we're in New Jersey. Yes, yes, Ricardo is great.
Yeah, so, you know, we could we could talk a little bit more
about Eddie Bright. I mean, there's I, I was gonna
bring up another topic, but there's so much things that we
could talk about. So, you know, I am willing to
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have a discussion with any Republican or any conservative
about their belief system. The problem is a lot of times
when you talk to them, they are very superficial.
They're they don't know. They can't go deep because all
they talk about is they interrupt you.
Then they talk about Jesus and they talk about Christianity
little and they don't even know,they don't even know who an
immigrant is and how they contribute to society and why
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immigration is a problem in thiscountry.
And look at ways what reach across the aisle to see the best
way to to fix it. Why?
You know, they don't really talkabout that.
Yeah. So you know.
Oh, Oh yeah, we should. That's true.
This is the Nilibaron podcast and this is.
Also, we should wrap it up with.A sound the pulse and we are in
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New Jersey and we're just following up on the we're doing
a debriefing on that episode with Rice Eddie and just looking
at what's going on in America today.
Now it's what time is it? It's 803, what we're going to
wrap up the show tonight with. Well, you want to do a show.
Well, I mean, we're going to have to take a quick break and
then come back. OK.
And then, by the way. And the song is only available
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in SoundCloud, not in the podcast.
OK, well, this is great. I really like this topic and you
know, we've a lot of times when I I really just feel as though
we need to learn how to we need to come together more like on my
street that we live on, there isso many.
We have liberals, independence, conservative and then we but we
live together in harmony. You know, we need to be to do
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that. You know, we should be to
express our ourselves and figureout why, but we should be able
to acquiesce. If there is an acquiesce and it
needs to be so we need to be seen out.
You're right. I agree with you.
And a lot of people don't agree with and they will not let go.
They will not just free themselves of some of some
notion of what they're saying iswrong or it's just I just don't
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understand why. And then right now look at
what's how did they expect anything to be different the the
the Senate, the speaker of the House who's a Christian who act
like he's this godly man and puthis nerdy glasses on.
Johnson, who is a lying who is promoting the Epstein don't even
want to. I mean the woman anyway, I don't
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know where I'm going with this. I'm trying to say is he should
be the one who is encouraging unity saying, you know, everyone
in the Congress, let's come together.
Let's have a really good discussion as to why the fact
that he does not want Americans to have really good healthcare,
people who are Americans, Americans, come on, I.
Mean. What does he want though?
Do we know what he wants though?Nothing.
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They don't want nothing. I mean, they don't want to do
anything. Ronaldo, I don't know.
What he wants. Not they don't want to give up
anything. You cannot make a lot and not
give up anything. He has.
Even though he's Republican, he has to understand because he's a
Christian. He is he, he said.
He's a Christian. Even though I couldn't be, I
couldn't care less. I mean judge not unless he be
judged so. I couldn't care less if he's a
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Christian or not. Yes, he needs to be able to come
together and be a bigger person.That's true.
And I've come to realize that. I remember what I remember when.
What's your name? Michelle Obama said.
When they go low, we go high. That's out the window now.
Now it's because the Republic. Is going high.
And low. Now everybody's going lower and
lower and lower. And we're really sorry, yeah.
When a person would talk about forget political correctness, we
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have JD Vance talking about using the F word on on TV like
it's nothing and the BS, not theF word BS, he said.
This is BS like words they're using in the Senate, like there
is no like decorum. There is no professionalism like
this country has lost. It's it's humanity, it's civil.
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It's just civilly. It's just we're not civil.
We're uncivilized. Like you see what's going, going
on with Prince Andrew. They he's.
Involved in the FCL. They have stripped him of his
title. Yeah, we know that because he
came out with people. Somebody.
You know, it's interesting that Bryce Eddie was talking about
people being we are. I mean, it's not vengeance, but
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it's justice that Donald Trump is exacting on people like
Letitia James. But then I wanted to find out
what about people who accused Donald Trump of violating
sections? We have the 14th Amendment of of
an insurrection, The fact that he was impeached and said, oh,
do what? What?
What do you see what they would call it?
What do you call it? He did not, but excuse me, that
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dinner I think didn't happen. That's.
What I'm saying? Oh no.
That is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.
People pick and depending on what side you are on, you see
justice and you see they. Were just.
Sightseeing. If you are on the Donald Trump
side or you see justice, yes. And if you're on the other side,
you see that. I mean, what I'm saying is that
Donald Trump was said to have and people on his in his own
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party also OK, was suing him fordoing it.
Not just people on the other side, people unless they're
going, oh, they're going to say he was right.
Oh, Jon Castro was radicalized, but John Anthony Castro,
whatever Republican, was accusing his own Donald Trump of
violating Section 3 of the 14. Well, do you know what?
I see. No.
But wait, so I mean, So what do you call that, though?
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What do you call that? Do you?
I mean, what's he doing? Was he being used on the left?
To what? What's that?
What do you call that? Yeah, He was being used.
No. There are people who believe
that Donald Trump committed a crime, OK?
And they took him to court and because of that.
But here we have people like Bryce, Ed Antonio, but calling
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it something else. So wait, that means they're
gods. They get to pick and.
Choose can. I tell you something, they get
to pick and choose what is rightand what is wrong.
Who gets to hold people accountable If if you try to
hold some Donald Trump accountable, oh, that's wrong.
Oh, OK, that's wrong. Can I tell you something?
All right. And so because of that, we're
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going to go after I'm not understanding.
You know what? I feel like the Democrats missed
the mark. They spend their entire Biden
presidency and going after Donald Trump and talking about
him instead of spending, spending and talking about
immigration and other stuff. And they missed the mark.
Donald Trump had to be president.
He had to he had to in next two years, our next year when they
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have the midterm, Donald Trump the, the House and the Senate
must remain. It has to remain Republican,
Ronaldo and it is going to remain Republican.
And I knew Donald Trump was going to win.
You know why? If Donald Trump did not win,
Donald Trump would be in jail today and he knows it.
Donald Trump knows this. He was scared.
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He's a scared measly weasel, scared Ronaldo.
I'm telling you, Donald Trump isscared.
If Donald if, if that if next, if next year.
It's swing overwhelmingly to Democratic side.
Epstein father going to be released.
Donald Trump is going to be impeached.
The amount of people are just going to go to jail.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, wait.
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This is troubling. What you're trying to tell me is
that there's going to be some kind of civil war, Ronaldo, in
this country. This is why I'm telling you he
because if. No, Donald Trump is refuses to
lose his majority. That's why they're doing this
right now, why you think they'reGerman in all the states.
He cannot lose because if he lose, you know what's going to
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happen. The Epstein files is going to be
released. He's going to be implicated,
Yes, he's going to be locked up for the January 6th and all the
other court cases that are stilloutstanding that they have tried
to close and walked around. They're going to impeach him
because he would have done a lotof harm to this.
Country. Well, he's trying to remove, I
mean, he's trying to remove a teacher, James and these other
people. That's why he's doing it.
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You know why he's doing it? Because he's no, he's scared.
He is scared. He This is why This is why I
realized the Democrats were justa little bit weren't on top of
their game. You are going out to this man
and all this stuff. You should have known it, He and
even. I mean, this is a hypothetical,
we're not sure. Hypothetical, but listen.
When I say, I mean this is an argument.
I said to a lot of people that he was going to win, and I knew
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it because you know, why Ronaldo?
But yeah, if he does, if we're not next year, and I pray this,
I pray the Democrats control theHouse and the Senate
overwhelmingly. But I'm telling you, the midterm
election, they're doing all of this stuff, including the
courts. The Supreme Court is on his
side, giving him, saying it's OK, removing the the voice of of
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millions of Americans in certainstates where they don't have a
voice, they don't have someone representing them.
Ronaldo because I'm. Yeah, do you see my article some
time ago where I. Said, what do you think?
I want to something. I mean, it's hypothetical.
I mean, yeah, but. Out-of-the-box.
I don't know if Donald Trump is not afraid or anything.
Ronaldo, I don't think he's afraid of anyone right at this
point you want everything. Something is old and well, yes,
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he's he's a cheat. He's a cheat.
Well, I mean, I was a. Cheat.
He's immoral. He's.
AI mean OK? Fine.
And listen, every time he's found himself in a corner, he's
done something. Why, for example, his businesses
were going on there. What did?
He do just so you know, bankruptcy, OK, Just so you
know, the the comments made on this show is not representative
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of the neoliberal corporation, OK, or the neoliberal round, OK.
This is what I'm just saying to you.
What I'm saying is that he had to win the Senate and the House
must remain must remain Republican or if they do not, I
am telling you that and it and it turn to to Democrats
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overwhelming. Fine, fine, fine.
But that's him. That's him.
I mean, he's going to go to jail.
I mean, I mean, the reasons why many of his cases and stuff got
paused because of the election and the fact that he was running
again and so on. So, I mean, thanks to the fact
that he became president again, then all these charges were
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dropped. And so we have someone.
OK. But now here, wait, now here he
is. But here he is going out there
holding people accountable and his people behind him saying
that, yeah, he's but they believe that it is God.
Exactly. But listen, it doesn't matter
who you are. God uses the worst of the worst.
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That's what they're going. That's the argument.
That's why he put he God uses the word.
That's the argument that the Christian nationalists use.
God uses the worst of the the worst of the worst.
Wait, wait, let me say that God uses the worst of the worst to
preserve and to save his countryand his people.
Please remember, I mean, many ofthe there are many people in
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there the in, in the Christian nationalists and conservative
defence. Since the 1990s, there have been
a move in this country to changelike in terms of to remove
prayer from schools, to take theBible out of schools.
You know that when we were in Jamaica and we heard this, we
say, Oh my God, and you were because you were a conservative
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one time and you were, and I wasvery ultra conservative.
I was well, I don't know if I was I was a conservative and I
was and I was very upset and so on hold that you know, and
people and we were praying and Americans would come down to
convince and stuff and we would have a meetings about how they
are removing the Bible out of schools and taking prayer out of
churches and they wait. Many of these people had to live
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and maybe people like anybody live under that when over the
past, over the past the over theyears how they have removed in
God with God and religion from out of the classrooms and so on.
Yes. Did they not do that?
Yes, but guess what, Ronaldo? Wait, so now, now, and they
successfully did that, but now that they have their guy in
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power and they are reversing that, they're bringing back
priors in schools, bringing backthe Bible in schools, and guess
what? We're moving their books or
liberal books, doing it back to them.
Yeah. Yeah.
The justice. Justice, yes, because it was
done to them. All they need to do.
Wait, what? How do you say?
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How do you respond to that? People need to pray on their own
time, OK, There are a lot of everybody believe in different
things in this in the world, OK,People need to pray on their own
time If and they believe the world is changing and court
awful and all this stuff the world, everybody don't people
have lost their mind. They're they're becoming moral.
That's why that's the argument. And I said, listen, all you have
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to do is parents need to do a better job raising their
children, OK? We need to have set an example.
We have a man who's president who has done so much.
He doesn't pay taxes, stole fromthe poor, file for bankruptcy.
So he's going to grab a woman bythe what?
So what? And then you're talking about
the reason why this country is immoral is because we've taken
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out from prior from schools whenwe have this guy who is immoral
and has done. All this, well, I mean, Ricardo,
you read the scriptures, give usBarabbas, but away with Jesus.
There you go, they. Give us Barabbas.
That's human being, because human beings are.
So away with Jesus. Ronaldo, Human beings are Yes,
we're animals. I've come to realize that human
beings are animals. We have no love.
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We are greedy. We're jealous, we are greedy,
we're jealous, we hate people and we hate, I mean, it's just,
and if we just have a little bitof compassion and understanding
and try, you know, like I get it, We, I, you and I, but.
Didn't you say you like some of what Trump is doing?
I do. Believe that our country.
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I will never vote for him. He's immoral.
He's unprofessional. He doesn't exude civility.
I believe that a president should be intelligent.
A president, he went to Penn, he's not.
Whatever. A president doesn't know.
This is the new Liberal. Party you need to know more
words. Other that you need to know, you
need to expand his vocabulary. OK, this is.
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I mean, this is his. Pea brain, I'm sorry.
This is the part this OK? No, we will.
I will not listen to that. And we no.
No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop.
You're right. This is the new liberal part.
This is an intelligent way. This is an intelligent show.
That his administration is the. No, this is an intelligent show.
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I mean, what Ricardo is a liberal.
He supports the Democratic Party.
And I'm an independent, OK, Justso you know, and this show, this
show is independent. We do not support Democrats or
Republican. I do just say, you know, but we
know that there are people who have very strong feelings about
what's going on in this country and politically and, and the
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beautiful thing about this country, beautiful thing that
what has defined this country isthat people can speak their mind
anytime, anywhere. That's true.
If Ricardo cannot speak his mindin the way that he has just
spoken, it means that the very culture, this, the culture and
the heart of this country is changing.
The question is what you should say is why do I feel to sway?
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I mean, we know already. Well, guess what, to be honest
with you, like I said to you, they use worse words than I am
the the stuff that they've been saying on the other side.
And are you right? You know what I set myself?
I'm not going to go low. I'm going to go high.
I need to be I need to use my words.
So you know what, I'm sorry for saying this.
I'm going to be professional. They are misguided.
How about that? I mean misguided and they always
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say the same thing too. To be honest, you know what I
believe? Yes, Donald Trump.
Was not put in a corner and haveall of this stuff going against
him. He actually might not be doing
all of these things that he's doing.
I do believe he's doing all of this stuff because he's trying
to appease people from differentside.
It's like it's transactional. He they want him and he wants
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them because without him they'renot successful and vice versa.
So he knows that he is a. Criminal.
Well, listen, I have said to youthat the Democrats listen.
I'm sorry. The reason why we have Donald
Trump in office today is becauseof several reasons.
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Of course, the majority feel as though they are losing their
majority 1/2. There was no viable candidate.
There was no choice, so to speak.
The other candidate was not interesting enough.
So I mean, this is what you're going to have happen.
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And then and not only that, if you look at what's going on in
the Supreme Court, Democrats lost their balance because of
stupidity. When RGB Ruth Bader when she
should have, she should have stepped down the stupid
Democrats, Donald Biden advised.Sorry, Obama wanted her to step
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down so that he can choose. But the Democrats fought him,
fought him, and they fought against him several.
Times they also fought. Against him, they fought.
Against Pamela Harris. Biden should have.
Biden should have stepped aside but fine he didn't.
OK he's sick and the whole time they have him there OK fine.
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Camela should have been all overthe place working.
Now they sideline her and then have him as a post poster boy
while them in the background doing all the work.
Yes, let me tell you said it best, it is stepped down.
Yeah, one term price. He should have been out.
He caused the problem. Understand.
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Ronaldo, hold up my time. This happened to us twice.
Yes. Biden did not leave when he was
supposed to. Yeah, seem greedy.
Weed is ruining this country. 1/2 Whatever her name is, the
Supreme Court, just the one thatpassed away.
Ruth, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She should have stepped aside,
but she wanted to see the first woman president.
She thought it was written in stone.
That and she became greedy and stupid and misguided.
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So we had two opportunities of making it right and we lost.
I mean, we, I don't want to say we and they lost.
That's how it is. Yeah, OK.
They are, you know, and then they had an opportunity to
really do. They should have started working
on immigration earlier when theystarted working on it.
A year before, Obama was doing had an idea he was doing a good
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job. But let me tell you, the
Democrats fought people in his own party.
They did fight him. Fight against him they did.
And you know why? Do you know why we're fighting
with? Do you know why the Affordable
Care Act is on the ballot and we're having issues with it now?
Because the people in his own party.
Because his own party. We could have gotten, yeah.
They did not. They fought him so hard.
And they did need it. And depending on it and it's
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amazing and. Now it could have a.
Mental, This fundamental thing that we have here in this
country is being why? Because a lot of Democrats by
now, they're finally, they're stepping up to the plate.
And so when it's shutting down, you know what, as I'm talking
about this now, this shutdown situation because of because of
healthcare, this is caused by the Democrats.
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They would not be in the position if during Barack
Obama's year when he was there and they had overwhelmment, when
they had the majority and they could have done all of this,
they gave him a fight. He rolled up his sleeve.
In I'll never I would never forget this he rolled up his
sleeve in the White House and even the Democrats had a problem
the people in his own party had a problem okay so yes they shot
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themselves in the foot and they have to live with it so they
have to live with it okay there we go this is the run podcast.
This is the post on the Saturday.
We're right here in Long Branch,NJ with the executive producer
and Co host of the House, Ricardo McKenzie.
Thank you for joining the show. And we will have a live video
show later this week. And of course we have several
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shows coming up this week. We'll talk about that.
My new book, new book Mobilization.
We can see that is coming up by November 25th.
And of course, we will talk about John Anthony Castro and
his appeal. Ronaldo McKenzie of the big
podcast Water. Yeah, right.
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Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
This is the new Liberal around podcast.
I'm here talking having a discussion with Ricardo.
This is the pulse and this is Saturday and we are doing audio
but and I wanted to. Make the I don't.
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I don't have a problem with the the with the policy to policy to
address immigration, the immigration issue.
I don't have a problem because Iteach Caribbean thought.
And I said on this program before, one of my students was
in same kids was in same kids and he was in one of those cabin
countries and he's Turks and Caicos, Turks and Caicos.
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And she's from Jamaica, but she's working in Turks and
Caicos as a teacher, and I'm teaching my class.
And she said, Ronaldo, we have aproblem with immigration, with
the people coming here right now, the Turks and Caicos people
are being outnumbered by the immigrants.
Yes, that's a problem. So now they have created
draconian laws, Turks and Caicos.
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They have too many immigrants, commented Turks and.
Caicos. Yes, they have.
Small where they coming? Yeah, but now they're
outnumbering the Turks and Caicos and even the language is
changing because OK, that's a problem.
So. And you know, when I, when I,
when I heard this, I said, wow, let's come.
So the Turks and Caicos have restrictive immigration policies
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now against Jamaicans and other people within the region, OK,
Because they are, their culture is affected, their people are
being affected, OK, So they, andthey are doing that.
So why should we be upset if theAmerica have strict immigration
law if they believe that it makethe it's affecting the the the
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what they call it is. That far.
No, we are. The people, the language
demographic. Oh, the demographic.
Yeah, the demographical makeup is going to strain them in and
that may filter out into the cult.
It's going to affect the cultureand the and so on and so forth.
So they. Have to.
Create some kind of laws. Laws, I agree.
Actions. But it has to be done in a
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human, human way. Yeah, OK.
You mean if there are people whoare here already, you don't go
about this deporting them, throwing them?
A lot of these people have gone through so much throwing them
into something, throwing them into like what they have to
create. What I think needed to happen is
Democrats and Republicans comes together, sit at the table, have
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objective and substantial discussion, substantive
discussion about ways in which we could improve it.
I am a liberal, OK, And I do believe that the immigration
problem needs to be fixed every nobody disagree and that's how
they need to start the conversation.
Nobody disagree that there is a fix with immigration.
First of all, you don't want other countries to experience
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brain drain. You see how I'm looking at it?
I'm looking at it from outside. Americans don't care about
people on the outside. What you, what I'm looking at it
from, I'm looking at it from we have people in Jamaica, Turk and
Caicos in other countries who are intelligent and they're
coming here. What's going to happen to that
country when all of the brains are gone?
You need to ensure that the there's no brain drain
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happening. They usually.
But it's not within America's interest.
It is for, I mean, no, because I, I was making the, by the way,
the last podcast episode we did with what's his name again,
Bryce Eddie of Turning Point andthe Bryce Eddie Show.
I was making the point about immigration, and I'm saying that
brain drain, it can be a good thing and a bad thing, you know,
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because there's not enough opportunities available in these
countries and now opportunities are opening up for in other
places like in the US. No, I I disagree with you.
And the second thing is it's notin America's interest for these
countries. I disagree with you the best for
these countries to do. Well, I disagree with you.
On what point? It is their interest.
For these countries. To do well, you know.
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Why? It's going to affect our
competitive level. Ronaldo, my mother had.
Our mother had cancer. She had to come to this country.
Yeah. Do you know how many
radiologists are in Jamaica? None.
OK. Do you know how many doctors
they don't have? And if you and if the and and
and what happened to get an international?
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They get a degree to go overseas.
America, get my scholarship to go overseas.
They're gone. They're in Canada.
They're going to all of these industrial nations.
So these industrial countries like Canada, Jamaica, Frank,
they're raping these small countries that don't even have
the resources. And now these people have to try
overseas to get the type of healthcare and the service they.
Need, I mean, I mean, if Americahas a if it's a politics of
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altruism, yes, but the point I'mtrying to make is we live in a
competitive world. It's not in America's interest
for the other countries, satellite countries to, to have
these highly skilled people and to do well because it's going to
affect America's greatness, America's level, because if all
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these countries have become competitive and have highly
skilled workers and so on and soforth.
Then people come here. Precise and not only that.
Yeah, and we won't have the greatest of everything.
Yes. No, they will.
Because America is still going to be here, but it's just a lot
of people you can't have. For example, my situation is you
have 10 doctors who are people from Jamaica who got scholarship
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to come here to become doctors. All right?
You don't give all ten of them citizenship.
I'm sorry, one, I'm going to have to go back.
That's a good point. That's what needs, This is why
I'm saying we have to come to the table and really think
outside the box. That is the outside the box
things I'm talking about. Go to Jamaica the other day,
whatever his name is, the head of state, what's his name the
the Spanish guy Rubio, he was inJamaica and we understand what
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they're doing there. They're doing there to push
their own interest. Yes, because that has always
been the case. And because if you watch, that's
what Michael Michael Manley said, that when we went to the
US and they asked them for loansin the 1970s.
Eliminate education, he said. And he's and the Americans tied
it to these conditions. And they said that you cannot do
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XY and Z, you cannot subsidized and so on.
And they said, no, how can we? We have to help our families.
We have to. And they said that's not my
business, that's your business. There you go.
And that's how they perpetuate the sit and make education and
make immigration become an issuein this country.
Immigration is only an issue in this country because the
decisions that America and industrialized nations made in
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the 70s. They also was trying to stop
countries or communist countrieslike China and and Cuba and
Russia or USSR at the time from influencing these Caribbean
islands. Because the Caribbean islands
and some other smaller country was looking like they were
becoming socialists and they want them to be capitalism and
free market. But the only way immigration is
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going to be fixed in this country is unless America help
those they have to do it. They they.
Well, yeah, yeah. And I, that's what I said in the
book, the book Near Liberalism. That's what we said.
I know that we all agree, but wait until we if, OK, fine.
You want to, you want to resolveillegal immigration, then OK,
let's have a live a level playing field within the
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Americas in terms of how we compete economically.
OK, So what I'm saying, right? But that is not in America's
interest. Really.
Not really. Recorded you're what you're
saying is so is is is antithesisto everything you're saying that
America wants immigration. They are they prompt they
they're promoting illegal immigration on and our legal
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immigration because Americans you and I talked about this
earlier. I think a lot of weight, a lot
of Americans, a lot, especially America, conservative Americans,
don't even understand the word immigration.
They have a dilemma. They think every the word
immigrant means illegal. But they have a dilemma.
They have a dilemma because illegal immigration helps in one
sense, but in a neighbor, yes. And it helps to drive down
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inflation, yes. Because now, right.
Yeah, it really helps. In that sense, OK.
But illegal immigration is also the result of draconian policies
that has helped to maintain the competitive level of the US.
Yes, right. So how to How do you reconcile
the 2 now? And that is the discussion.
This is what I'm talking to you about.
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This is a great discussion because you know why every time
you talk to people like MAGA, conservative, especially even
liberal, even Democrats like thecrazy liberals.
OK, I mean, I'm a liberal, so I just they're crazy ones too.
They don't understand immigration.
They don't understand Banana Republic, Chiquita banana.
How the? US literally destroy the 90s.
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And destroy the Jamaica agriculture system.
Not Jamaica, but the Caribbean banana system.
Yes, by getting rid of the preferential.
Treatment, yes, investment in the shiki, the banana can make
money and you know I mean they don't really understand this
right. I'm talking these people are on
TikTok and talking about illegals and people are jumping
over trains and jump walking under thing that that's just
(09:06):
literally surface level. I am done with surface level and
superficial discussion about immigration with these ignorant
people because they don't understand it because you and I
know that there is a problem with immigration, but the
question should be why is there a problem?
Why is immigration a problem? Why can't we fix it?
That's the question. They don't understand it.
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Why did it start? Why is it a problem?
All right, Why are these people coming here for you to fix the
problem? They have to get to the root.
They're not getting the root. They just want to pick these
people, treat them like animals,send them back and people are
always going to be coming. Here, well, it's you know, it's
a two. It's it's The thing is, the
problem is, I tell you, it's a dilemma, though they're in a
it's a pic. They're in a dilemma.
They are. It's a dilemma.
Ronaldo, you talked about the opportunity cost and trade off.
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So yes, so maybe what they should then, OK, maybe they
should, oh, maybe the decision making should utilize the
economic principle of the cost benefit analysis.
Well, there you go, adjustment. Opportunity cost and trade off,
OK, All right. I mean, So what are we going to
do then? Ronaldo, immigration is an
economic instrument. It's a it's a part of economy.
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If you're going to discuss, if you're going to discuss
immigration, you have to look atit from an economic perspective,
from economy, economy. That's what you look at.
If you look at it that way, a lot of people can't discuss it,
even the surface level people, because they don't.
Understand, you know, you know when I you know, Fabrizio.
Fabrizio Grizia, an economist, says that inequality, some
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amount of inequality is necessary, some amount of
poverty is necessary and capitalism and so, yes, and so
they and also some amount of illegal immigration is
necessary. Why did he say that?
OK, because it helps to address some of the because first of
all, capitalism helps to create itself, to create income
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inequality, but we need it. Yes, it has to create poverty,
but we need it. We need people so that they can
we can maintain a level of productivity in this country
work. So what about those people?
We said forget capitalism, then we want authoritarianism because
authoritarianism is very different from.
Capitalism, right? Within a capitalist country and
a competitive everybody can't come first.
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This country, I mean, the systemthat we have is capitalism that
is competitive winners and losers.
Everybody can win and there willbe losers.
The losers, the people who will work the hardest.
So therefore, the people who arerich today, the policies that
Donald Trump and his cronies areconcocting, our policies that
benefit those who are winners, Well, yeah, so and that's and
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but however we have a responsibility, but however we
have a response, we have always had the responsibility still to
look out for the poor man, to look out for the losers.
And so we still. Used to do that.
That is why the American system makes sense.
This is what's the word we're looking for the project.
I forgot what they always use. Project 2020 not.
Project like the title or capitalist or democratic system
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in America have it's like the American.
Market, yeah. Because here's the deal for it,
for capitalism to the problem capitalism that it can be
hurtful, it can be unfair. So because of what you just said
about some people, it makes somepeople, you know, you have,
you're going to have poor, you're going to have all of this
stuff. That's where you come in with
big government, right? You need big government, you
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need the legislative. Branch no but.
Because wait, because the legislative branch and executive
branch and judicial branch ensure that everybody has an
opportunity here, including the poor man.
Everybody we didn't go to that's.
Republicanism. Yes, even that one Republicanism
is about. Who are left?
The people. Who are in the minority.
We still protect them. Because you know what?
(12:47):
Still have a voice. Yeah, because the wealthy.
Man, the rich man have to dependon the masses to become wealthy
and so you on the backs of the poor and the middle class.
That means it's the onus is now on the government to ensure that
everyone have an opportunity that people are not taken
advantage of by these big capitalists.
But right now, what Donald Trumpis doing and the mega is eroding
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the the the blanket that the system has created to ensure
that capitalism don't leave everybody behind and so that
these people are somewhat taken advantage of.
We are talking to Ricardo. We are.
This is the pulse. It's a Saturday.
We are in Long Branch, NJ. This is great.
This is coming off the heels of that great podcast interview,
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Ricardo, that we did with Bryce Eddie of Turning Point.
What would you have thought about that?
I know there are we had a lot ofstuff hanging.
He you did ask him a question about socialism and he did say
that you, you know his idea of socialism is different from your
idea of socialism. Well, because he doesn't
understand what socialism is andwhat it's all about.
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And I told him if he was a Christian and believe in God,
Jesus was the first. If you're going to take it back
to Christianity, somebody don't like to talk about that.
But if most of the mega movementand the Trump movement is about
Christianity and they, they get their, their, their power from
or under the guise of that. So I do believe that if you're
going to do talk about that, then you really have to to
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understand socialism from a genome.
I'm going to make a point I wanted to make.
I'm going to make a point. What's that?
I'm going to make a point as a theologian, OK, And someone who
has been exposed to Christian theology, yes.
And who teach at the seminary, OK.
Yet when I was in Jamaica in 2003, I learned about cult and
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occult doing world religions. What is a cult of Christianity?
A cult of Christianity is peoplewho claim to be Christians but
deny the essential tenets of theChristian faith.
Yes. Some people would say that
Christian nationalists today whosupport Donald Trump are cults.
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They claim to be Christian, but they're not Christian because
their idea of socialism is not Jesus's idea of socialism.
Yeah, yes, correct. Their idea of love is not the
love that Jesus talks about, this altruistic love, this the
sacrificial love. That's not love.
(15:24):
OK, except for and then and thenDonald Trump himself, yes, has
done wrong. Yet they don't see him as doing
wrong. They see the people who is he is
exacting vengeance against as a justice move.
(15:46):
So wait, so this what they have done and justified.
They have redefined the thing and that's what I'm talking
about. So this is what you call a cult
of Christianity? People who claim to be
Christians, but they're not, because their love is half love,
their truth half truth. Well, it's really tribal, right?
Have you read First Corinthians 13613?
(16:07):
How about Romans? 30 Yeah.
What is love? Yes, God is love, and he who
dwelleth in God abide it in. And then he talks about Jesus.
Oh, you don't have a true idea of love.
True love expresses itself in sacrificial and constructive
means. So what is love then?
Jesus demonstrated what true love?
What he? Said to me yes, when I talked
(16:28):
about stuff like this, what about the 10 commandments?
What about rules Jesus and God said that the country lost Trump
anything else and guess what that's not what the Bible said.
The Bible did not say that the Bible said that he fulfilled the
commandments all right and when the country laws goes against
Jesus's practices, that's when you have to abandon them.
(16:50):
God said that this. Country was not founded on
Christianity, no. It was founded on the freedom to
worship. You're in your.
Own way it never says in the Christian God and you know why
wait do you know why the founders of this great nation
decided to separate church and state for two reasons.
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One, because they because first of all church no.
Well, yeah, but church if to if you, you cannot, there cannot be
a marriage between church and state because this great
America, which is a separation from what they call it.
Church and state. And privilege, yeah, OK.
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And this monarchy, yes, if you say that there's a marriage
between church and state, that means you're privileged in one
religion over another. And if this America was founded
on dismantling privilege and themonarchy, then therefore you
cannot there. So that's a very good.
Point yes, that's discount yet so you cannot say it was found
(17:53):
on Christa because then you are singling out one religion out of
another. The constitution and the
foundation of this country does not speak to a particular.
There is no specificity. It doesn't talk about
Christianity. It talks about God in general
because it did and it and they deliberately did not.
They deliberately separated church and state because church
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is Christian. And this, this union is not
about a Christian religion. It's beyond Christianity.
It's beyond a particular cultural experience of God.
Ronaldo, do you know how many big time Christians and pastors
in the past that have had sex with women, had sex with men and
(18:39):
their pastors and and their pastors of multi multi pastors
to the huge organizations and you know what happened?
People look the other way. They don't care because what you
talk about was cult. And so that's why I believe what
they're doing right now in this,it's called somebody said to me
the other way, I'm sorry. I'm just, I'm just, that's who I
(19:00):
am. I'm I'm a conservative.
So you're conservative, you're going to, you're willing to sell
your soul to the devil or sell yourself to give up your belief
system just because, because of who you are.
Because I am this thing, I will never tell anyone because
because I am a liberal, I am going to believe that when kids
are born, a parent is going to change their sex from one thing
(19:21):
to the next. And I should believe that
because I am a liberal. No, that's not right.
So people, This is why I do believe that the conservative
movement in this country have totake a stand and then they're
pushing like Eddie Bryce talk about this.
He keep pushing this this men, men want to get pregnant.
I have to tell you something, Ronaldo.
I have never heard that argument.
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Maybe he's out there, but I've never heard.
Men want to get pregnant. He kept men, that is.
But wait. But that is wait, wait.
That is novel. Wait, how?
That's the if we have that powerwhere we can allow men to make
to become pregnant. Woman would want to do that.
That whoa, that is great. That's how powerful human beings
(20:04):
are, OK. Because if we can do that, we
can do anything. Life is what you make it, or
what you allow others to make ofit for you.
Yeah, and and and. And and we're talking with
Ricardo, we're in New Jersey. Yes, yes, Ricardo is great.
Yeah, so, you know, we could we could talk a little bit more
about Eddie Bright. I mean, there's I, I was gonna
bring up another topic, but there's so much things that we
could talk about. So, you know, I am willing to
(20:26):
have a discussion with any Republican or any conservative
about their belief system. The problem is a lot of times
when you talk to them, they are very superficial.
They're they don't know. They can't go deep because all
they talk about is they interrupt you.
Then they talk about Jesus and they talk about Christianity
little and they don't even know,they don't even know who an
immigrant is and how they contribute to society and why
(20:50):
immigration is a problem in thiscountry.
And look at ways what reach across the aisle to see the best
way to to fix it. Why?
You know, they don't really talkabout that.
Yeah. So you know.
Oh, Oh yeah, we should. That's true.
This is the Nilibaron podcast and this is.
Also, we should wrap it up with.A sound the pulse and we are in
(21:12):
New Jersey and we're just following up on the we're doing
a debriefing on that episode with Rice Eddie and just looking
at what's going on in America today.
Now it's what time is it? It's 803, what we're going to
wrap up the show tonight with. Well, you want to do a show.
Well, I mean, we're going to have to take a quick break and
then come back. OK.
And then, by the way. And the song is only available
(21:33):
in SoundCloud, not in the podcast.
OK, well, this is great. I really like this topic and you
know, we've a lot of times when I I really just feel as though
we need to learn how to we need to come together more like on my
street that we live on, there isso many.
We have liberals, independence, conservative and then we but we
live together in harmony. You know, we need to be to do
(21:56):
that. You know, we should be to
express our ourselves and figureout why, but we should be able
to acquiesce. If there is an acquiesce and it
needs to be so we need to be seen out.
You're right. I agree with you.
And a lot of people don't agree with and they will not let go.
They will not just free themselves of some of some
notion of what they're saying iswrong or it's just I just don't
(22:19):
understand why. And then right now look at
what's how did they expect anything to be different the the
the Senate, the speaker of the House who's a Christian who act
like he's this godly man and puthis nerdy glasses on.
Johnson, who is a lying who is promoting the Epstein don't even
want to. I mean the woman anyway, I don't
(22:39):
know where I'm going with this. I'm trying to say is he should
be the one who is encouraging unity saying, you know, everyone
in the Congress, let's come together.
Let's have a really good discussion as to why the fact
that he does not want Americans to have really good healthcare,
people who are Americans, Americans, come on, I.
Mean. What does he want though?
Do we know what he wants though?Nothing.
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They don't want nothing. I mean, they don't want to do
anything. Ronaldo, I don't know.
What he wants. Not they don't want to give up
anything. You cannot make a lot and not
give up anything. He has.
Even though he's Republican, he has to understand because he's a
Christian. He is he, he said.
He's a Christian. Even though I couldn't be, I
couldn't care less. I mean judge not unless he be
judged so. I couldn't care less if he's a
(23:20):
Christian or not. Yes, he needs to be able to come
together and be a bigger person.That's true.
And I've come to realize that. I remember what I remember when.
What's your name? Michelle Obama said.
When they go low, we go high. That's out the window now.
Now it's because the Republic. Is going high.
And low. Now everybody's going lower and
lower and lower. And we're really sorry, yeah.
When a person would talk about forget political correctness, we
(23:43):
have JD Vance talking about using the F word on on TV like
it's nothing and the BS, not theF word BS, he said.
This is BS like words they're using in the Senate, like there
is no like decorum. There is no professionalism like
this country has lost. It's it's humanity, it's civil.
(24:04):
It's just civilly. It's just we're not civil.
We're uncivilized. Like you see what's going, going
on with Prince Andrew. They he's.
Involved in the FCL. They have stripped him of his
title. Yeah, we know that because he
came out with people. Somebody.
You know, it's interesting that Bryce Eddie was talking about
people being we are. I mean, it's not vengeance, but
(24:28):
it's justice that Donald Trump is exacting on people like
Letitia James. But then I wanted to find out
what about people who accused Donald Trump of violating
sections? We have the 14th Amendment of of
an insurrection, The fact that he was impeached and said, oh,
do what? What?
What do you see what they would call it?
What do you call it? He did not, but excuse me, that
(24:50):
dinner I think didn't happen. That's.
What I'm saying? Oh no.
That is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying.
People pick and depending on what side you are on, you see
justice and you see they. Were just.
Sightseeing. If you are on the Donald Trump
side or you see justice, yes. And if you're on the other side,
you see that. I mean, what I'm saying is that
Donald Trump was said to have and people on his in his own
(25:13):
party also OK, was suing him fordoing it.
Not just people on the other side, people unless they're
going, oh, they're going to say he was right.
Oh, Jon Castro was radicalized, but John Anthony Castro,
whatever Republican, was accusing his own Donald Trump of
violating Section 3 of the 14. Well, do you know what?
I see. No.
But wait, so I mean, So what do you call that, though?
(25:35):
What do you call that? Do you?
I mean, what's he doing? Was he being used on the left?
To what? What's that?
What do you call that? Yeah, He was being used.
No. There are people who believe
that Donald Trump committed a crime, OK?
And they took him to court and because of that.
But here we have people like Bryce, Ed Antonio, but calling
(25:57):
it something else. So wait, that means they're
gods. They get to pick and.
Choose can. I tell you something, they get
to pick and choose what is rightand what is wrong.
Who gets to hold people accountable If if you try to
hold some Donald Trump accountable, oh, that's wrong.
Oh, OK, that's wrong. Can I tell you something?
All right. And so because of that, we're
(26:17):
going to go after I'm not understanding.
You know what? I feel like the Democrats missed
the mark. They spend their entire Biden
presidency and going after Donald Trump and talking about
him instead of spending, spending and talking about
immigration and other stuff. And they missed the mark.
Donald Trump had to be president.
He had to he had to in next two years, our next year when they
(26:41):
have the midterm, Donald Trump the, the House and the Senate
must remain. It has to remain Republican,
Ronaldo and it is going to remain Republican.
And I knew Donald Trump was going to win.
You know why? If Donald Trump did not win,
Donald Trump would be in jail today and he knows it.
Donald Trump knows this. He was scared.
(27:03):
He's a scared measly weasel, scared Ronaldo.
I'm telling you, Donald Trump isscared.
If Donald if, if that if next, if next year.
It's swing overwhelmingly to Democratic side.
Epstein father going to be released.
Donald Trump is going to be impeached.
The amount of people are just going to go to jail.
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, wait.
(27:23):
This is troubling. What you're trying to tell me is
that there's going to be some kind of civil war, Ronaldo, in
this country. This is why I'm telling you he
because if. No, Donald Trump is refuses to
lose his majority. That's why they're doing this
right now, why you think they'reGerman in all the states.
He cannot lose because if he lose, you know what's going to
(27:44):
happen. The Epstein files is going to be
released. He's going to be implicated,
Yes, he's going to be locked up for the January 6th and all the
other court cases that are stilloutstanding that they have tried
to close and walked around. They're going to impeach him
because he would have done a lotof harm to this.
Country. Well, he's trying to remove, I
mean, he's trying to remove a teacher, James and these other
people. That's why he's doing it.
(28:05):
You know why he's doing it? Because he's no, he's scared.
He is scared. He This is why This is why I
realized the Democrats were justa little bit weren't on top of
their game. You are going out to this man
and all this stuff. You should have known it, He and
even. I mean, this is a hypothetical,
we're not sure. Hypothetical, but listen.
When I say, I mean this is an argument.
I said to a lot of people that he was going to win, and I knew
(28:27):
it because you know, why Ronaldo?
But yeah, if he does, if we're not next year, and I pray this,
I pray the Democrats control theHouse and the Senate
overwhelmingly. But I'm telling you, the midterm
election, they're doing all of this stuff, including the
courts. The Supreme Court is on his
side, giving him, saying it's OK, removing the the voice of of
(28:47):
millions of Americans in certainstates where they don't have a
voice, they don't have someone representing them.
Ronaldo because I'm. Yeah, do you see my article some
time ago where I. Said, what do you think?
I want to something. I mean, it's hypothetical.
I mean, yeah, but. Out-of-the-box.
I don't know if Donald Trump is not afraid or anything.
Ronaldo, I don't think he's afraid of anyone right at this
point you want everything. Something is old and well, yes,
(29:10):
he's he's a cheat. He's a cheat.
Well, I mean, I was a. Cheat.
He's immoral. He's.
AI mean OK? Fine.
And listen, every time he's found himself in a corner, he's
done something. Why, for example, his businesses
were going on there. What did?
He do just so you know, bankruptcy, OK, Just so you
know, the the comments made on this show is not representative
(29:30):
of the neoliberal corporation, OK, or the neoliberal round, OK.
This is what I'm just saying to you.
What I'm saying is that he had to win the Senate and the House
must remain must remain Republican or if they do not, I
am telling you that and it and it turn to to Democrats
(29:53):
overwhelming. Fine, fine, fine.
But that's him. That's him.
I mean, he's going to go to jail.
I mean, I mean, the reasons why many of his cases and stuff got
paused because of the election and the fact that he was running
again and so on. So, I mean, thanks to the fact
that he became president again, then all these charges were
(30:16):
dropped. And so we have someone.
OK. But now here, wait, now here he
is. But here he is going out there
holding people accountable and his people behind him saying
that, yeah, he's but they believe that it is God.
Exactly. But listen, it doesn't matter
who you are. God uses the worst of the worst.
(30:36):
That's what they're going. That's the argument.
That's why he put he God uses the word.
That's the argument that the Christian nationalists use.
God uses the worst of the the worst of the worst.
Wait, wait, let me say that God uses the worst of the worst to
preserve and to save his countryand his people.
Please remember, I mean, many ofthe there are many people in
(30:57):
there the in, in the Christian nationalists and conservative
defence. Since the 1990s, there have been
a move in this country to changelike in terms of to remove
prayer from schools, to take theBible out of schools.
You know that when we were in Jamaica and we heard this, we
say, Oh my God, and you were because you were a conservative
(31:19):
one time and you were, and I wasvery ultra conservative.
I was well, I don't know if I was I was a conservative and I
was and I was very upset and so on hold that you know, and
people and we were praying and Americans would come down to
convince and stuff and we would have a meetings about how they
are removing the Bible out of schools and taking prayer out of
churches and they wait. Many of these people had to live
(31:45):
and maybe people like anybody live under that when over the
past, over the past the over theyears how they have removed in
God with God and religion from out of the classrooms and so on.
Yes. Did they not do that?
Yes, but guess what, Ronaldo? Wait, so now, now, and they
successfully did that, but now that they have their guy in
(32:10):
power and they are reversing that, they're bringing back
priors in schools, bringing backthe Bible in schools, and guess
what? We're moving their books or
liberal books, doing it back to them.
Yeah. Yeah.
The justice. Justice, yes, because it was
done to them. All they need to do.
Wait, what? How do you say?
(32:30):
How do you respond to that? People need to pray on their own
time, OK, There are a lot of everybody believe in different
things in this in the world, OK,People need to pray on their own
time If and they believe the world is changing and court
awful and all this stuff the world, everybody don't people
have lost their mind. They're they're becoming moral.
That's why that's the argument. And I said, listen, all you have
(32:53):
to do is parents need to do a better job raising their
children, OK? We need to have set an example.
We have a man who's president who has done so much.
He doesn't pay taxes, stole fromthe poor, file for bankruptcy.
So he's going to grab a woman bythe what?
So what? And then you're talking about
the reason why this country is immoral is because we've taken
(33:14):
out from prior from schools whenwe have this guy who is immoral
and has done. All this, well, I mean, Ricardo,
you read the scriptures, give usBarabbas, but away with Jesus.
There you go, they. Give us Barabbas.
That's human being, because human beings are.
So away with Jesus. Ronaldo, Human beings are Yes,
we're animals. I've come to realize that human
beings are animals. We have no love.
(33:35):
We are greedy. We're jealous, we are greedy,
we're jealous, we hate people and we hate, I mean, it's just,
and if we just have a little bitof compassion and understanding
and try, you know, like I get it, We, I, you and I, but.
Didn't you say you like some of what Trump is doing?
I do. Believe that our country.
(33:55):
I will never vote for him. He's immoral.
He's unprofessional. He doesn't exude civility.
I believe that a president should be intelligent.
A president, he went to Penn, he's not.
Whatever. A president doesn't know.
This is the new Liberal. Party you need to know more
words. Other that you need to know, you
need to expand his vocabulary. OK, this is.
(34:17):
I mean, this is his. Pea brain, I'm sorry.
This is the part this OK? No, we will.
I will not listen to that. And we no.
No, no, no. Stop, stop, stop.
You're right. This is the new liberal part.
This is an intelligent way. This is an intelligent show.
That his administration is the. No, this is an intelligent show.
(34:37):
I mean, what Ricardo is a liberal.
He supports the Democratic Party.
And I'm an independent, OK, Justso you know, and this show, this
show is independent. We do not support Democrats or
Republican. I do just say, you know, but we
know that there are people who have very strong feelings about
what's going on in this country and politically and, and the
(34:57):
beautiful thing about this country, beautiful thing that
what has defined this country isthat people can speak their mind
anytime, anywhere. That's true.
If Ricardo cannot speak his mindin the way that he has just
spoken, it means that the very culture, this, the culture and
the heart of this country is changing.
The question is what you should say is why do I feel to sway?
(35:18):
I mean, we know already. Well, guess what, to be honest
with you, like I said to you, they use worse words than I am
the the stuff that they've been saying on the other side.
And are you right? You know what I set myself?
I'm not going to go low. I'm going to go high.
I need to be I need to use my words.
So you know what, I'm sorry for saying this.
I'm going to be professional. They are misguided.
How about that? I mean misguided and they always
(35:42):
say the same thing too. To be honest, you know what I
believe? Yes, Donald Trump.
Was not put in a corner and haveall of this stuff going against
him. He actually might not be doing
all of these things that he's doing.
I do believe he's doing all of this stuff because he's trying
to appease people from differentside.
It's like it's transactional. He they want him and he wants
(36:03):
them because without him they'renot successful and vice versa.
So he knows that he is a. Criminal.
Well, listen, I have said to youthat the Democrats listen.
I'm sorry. The reason why we have Donald
Trump in office today is becauseof several reasons.
(36:24):
Of course, the majority feel as though they are losing their
majority 1/2. There was no viable candidate.
There was no choice, so to speak.
The other candidate was not interesting enough.
So I mean, this is what you're going to have happen.
(36:45):
And then and not only that, if you look at what's going on in
the Supreme Court, Democrats lost their balance because of
stupidity. When RGB Ruth Bader when she
should have, she should have stepped down the stupid
Democrats, Donald Biden advised.Sorry, Obama wanted her to step
(37:07):
down so that he can choose. But the Democrats fought him,
fought him, and they fought against him several.
Times they also fought. Against him, they fought.
Against Pamela Harris. Biden should have.
Biden should have stepped aside but fine he didn't.
OK he's sick and the whole time they have him there OK fine.
(37:30):
Camela should have been all overthe place working.
Now they sideline her and then have him as a post poster boy
while them in the background doing all the work.
Yes, let me tell you said it best, it is stepped down.
Yeah, one term price. He should have been out.
He caused the problem. Understand.
(37:50):
Ronaldo, hold up my time. This happened to us twice.
Yes. Biden did not leave when he was
supposed to. Yeah, seem greedy.
Weed is ruining this country. 1/2 Whatever her name is, the
Supreme Court, just the one thatpassed away.
Ruth, Ruth Bader Ginsburg. She should have stepped aside,
but she wanted to see the first woman president.
She thought it was written in stone.
That and she became greedy and stupid and misguided.
(38:13):
So we had two opportunities of making it right and we lost.
I mean, we, I don't want to say we and they lost.
That's how it is. Yeah, OK.
They are, you know, and then they had an opportunity to
really do. They should have started working
on immigration earlier when theystarted working on it.
A year before, Obama was doing had an idea he was doing a good
(38:35):
job. But let me tell you, the
Democrats fought people in his own party.
They did fight him. Fight against him they did.
And you know why? Do you know why we're fighting
with? Do you know why the Affordable
Care Act is on the ballot and we're having issues with it now?
Because the people in his own party.
Because his own party. We could have gotten, yeah.
They did not. They fought him so hard.
And they did need it. And depending on it and it's
(38:55):
amazing and. Now it could have a.
Mental, This fundamental thing that we have here in this
country is being why? Because a lot of Democrats by
now, they're finally, they're stepping up to the plate.
And so when it's shutting down, you know what, as I'm talking
about this now, this shutdown situation because of because of
healthcare, this is caused by the Democrats.
(39:16):
They would not be in the position if during Barack
Obama's year when he was there and they had overwhelmment, when
they had the majority and they could have done all of this,
they gave him a fight. He rolled up his sleeve.
In I'll never I would never forget this he rolled up his
sleeve in the White House and even the Democrats had a problem
the people in his own party had a problem okay so yes they shot
(39:39):
themselves in the foot and they have to live with it so they
have to live with it okay there we go this is the run podcast.
This is the post on the Saturday.
We're right here in Long Branch,NJ with the executive producer
and Co host of the House, Ricardo McKenzie.
Thank you for joining the show. And we will have a live video
show later this week. And of course we have several
(39:59):
shows coming up this week. We'll talk about that.
My new book, new book Mobilization.
We can see that is coming up by November 25th.
And of course, we will talk about John Anthony Castro and
his appeal. Ronaldo McKenzie of the big
podcast Water. Yeah, right.
(40:28):
Yeah. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Yeah, right.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
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