February 18, 2026 • 41 mins
Adrenaline meets intention when stunt driver and racer Greg Tracy pulls up a chair at our new Lake Havasu headquarters. From motocross roots and shattering lap times at Pikes Peak to threading cars on camera for blockbuster films, Greg shows how real mastery turns risk into a disciplined craft. We connect those dots to the life we’re building here: a community that chooses peace over pressure, where families ride, boat, and actually use the toys they work hard to own.
We dive into why generational happiness can outlast generational wealth—and how to design for both. Greg unpacks what Hollywood stunts teach about preparation under stress, hitting marks when it counts, and staying sharp over decades. We share how that same mindset shapes our developments: fee-simple storage that builds equity, steel construction that reduces fire risk and insurance pain, and thoughtful density that respects how people live in Havasu. It’s not about bigger for its own sake; it’s about smarter spaces that anchor real experiences.
Culture drives results. We talk open-book teamwork, shared equity, and growing leaders from within so projects move faster with fewer layers. The onsite presence, the daily problem solving, the small choices that compound into trust—those are our edges when markets swing. Along the way we trade stories of quiet pandemic lakes, returning wildlife, Ducati wins, Fast & Furious sets, and the many subcultures—boaters, side-by-side crews, moto diehards—that make this town hum.
If you’re curious how to balance bold moves with a calmer life, this conversation maps the route: calculate risk, build community, and invest in places that pay you back in time, not just returns. Listen. Share. Reset.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:20):
All right, everybody, Ryan Garland here.
Welcome to the Paradigm Shift.
I have a really good friend ofmine, which we've got a chance
to get to know each other today.
We got Greg Tracy.
And I think what's reallyexciting is that, you know, we
continue to grow our platformwith all kinds of different
walks of life.
And I think what I loved abouthis background is that he's
actually a stunt car driver.
And I think we're gonna havesome fun today and just gonna
hear a little bit about hisbackground, and we'll just kind
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of collab on Lake Havasu and allthe wonderful things.
And today is also reallyexciting because we're actually
doing our first podcast in ournew headquarters building, which
is called FOF, uh, right offDover, right next to Industrial
in Lake Avaso.
And so this is our first one,and I'm glad you're here.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
And I'm stoked to be here.
Super legit, by the way.
I mean, I came up, I wasn't surewhat to expect.
I walked in, like, wow, thisplace is impressive.
Yeah, thank you.
Really impressive.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
This bit, yeah.
I remember telling Matt, I said,Hey, when he uh make sure he
doesn't run over the concretewhen it comes in, we just poured
it.
Yeah.
But thank you, that was reallycool.
Yeah, we you know, we we spent alot of time on this.
I actually bought the land fromanother builder, a good friend
of mine.
He was just looking for someliquidity and goes, Hey, I'm
gonna I'm gonna build somethingelse.
I need some liquidity.
We looked at the plans, we madesome adjustments to it, and we
said, Yep, we're gonna make thisour headquarters building.
(01:26):
Yeah, so yeah, we love it.
So thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Perfect, right in the middle.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
So 20,000 square feet.
We have uh probably half of ourequipment in here now.
Um, and we'll probably have thisall finished up.
I think we're shooting for nextuh next uh weekend, and uh,
we're gonna have a March 1stgrand opening for the motion for
it.
Yeah, we're not sure if we'regonna have a party yet, but I
think what we're gonna do is atleast have our friends and
family here, and then we'll do abig party maybe in a month or
(01:49):
two.
We'll just kind of fill thisplace up and then go have some
fun.
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
I'm good with big parties, I'll be here.
SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
So, okay, so you uh, you know, we ran across each
other on social media inessence, right?
You are marketing, you kind ofcame in as a as a possible
investor, and you live acrossthe the across the lake, you're
on the California side.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Yeah, so I've been coming up here since I was a
little kid.
I mean, I think I actuallystarted coming here in 1969 or
1970, obviously as a very littlelittle little kid.
Uh spent a lot of time on thecity side, but predominantly,
yeah, we're on the we're on theCalifornia side.
I live in Belmont Shore,California, majority of the
time, but this is our happyplace for sure.
I mean, the memories, uh,thousands, tens of thousands,
(02:26):
maybe a hundred thousand milesof riding and off-road cars up
here.
Uh my parents now have a placeon this side, so we do spend a
lot of time over here.
They're they're also going backand forth between Belmont Shore
and here here as well.
SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
No, we were talking about the pandemic and how many
people were coming out here.
And you said you came out here,you're planning on coming out
for what, two weeks?
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
Yeah.
So my wife took our youngest toschool, and the the principal
happened under their friends,and he told her, hey, they're
talking about closing downschools.
So she came back and told methat.
I'm like, wait a second, this isthis is for real.
They're talking about closingdown schools yet.
We're not hearing about thisyet.
We're out of here.
That's our this is our safespot.
Always feel better and happierand have a sue anyway.
(03:05):
So we packed the kids up.
We came up here and we drove inand and uh kind of figured it
was gonna be like two weeks.
I think the first week we werehere that the tribal security
came around and said, Hey, youguys are here, but if you leave,
you can't come back, but you canstay.
So that was, and I think at thetime maybe there were seven
families out of 750 uh on theCalifornia side.
(03:26):
So it was basically like a ghosttown.
SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
And uh we sort of, you know, got into the into what
we had to do to just stay there.
As soon as everything shut downin California, obviously the
school shut down, Hollywoodcompletely shut down.
I mean, I think Hollywood shutdown more than any other
business uh on the planet atthat point.
Extra cautious, you know, howthey were.
So um at that point, the theguard gate was closed, the
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marina was closed, and we werewe were stuck there.
We're there, we were there for190 days.
SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
But you were able to come back over here.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Yeah, I mean, I keep that kind of quiet.
Yeah, yeah.
I figured out a way to get toget across, and you know, we
were out on the on the boat.
I mean, just it was a crazy timetoo, because the you watch the
lake change.
I mean, everything, obviously,when you have hundreds of
thousands of people boating, andit's different than when you
have you know not so manypeople.
Yeah, I'm like, started seeingyeah, coyotes and I mean animals
(04:19):
I'd never seen before.
I think I saw like seven oreight rattlesnakes in a short
period of time that you know younever see that.
Normally there's just too muchdensity and too much going on
that thing, you don't see them,but it's a great time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:29):
That it was getting the snakes were getting rattled
out.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's funny is when Ihad uh right during the
pandemic, we had the first phaseof paradigm storage going.
And right before the pandemic, Inever noticed all the donkeys.
SPEAKER_00 (04:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
But then once everyone kind of started
swelling up out here, becausethis was like the spot to go to
from Southern California justbecause all the recreational and
families and so forth, andeverything was shut down.
So the amount of donkey poopthat was on my driveways at
paradigm storage, every day Igot there and I'm like, there's
more donkeys.
Yeah, I'm like, let's get outthe shovel.
So but it's true, and then it Ithink they started shipping some
(05:04):
of those donkeys out of herebecause there was a lot of them,
they came through here.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
Yeah, it's the same on on our side.
There's quite a bit, I thinkthat happens.
Like it gets to a certain numberand they they need to move them
somewhere else.
But there's got to donkeys.
The donkeys are great, they'reactually super friendly.
My I have a golden retrieverthat has a couple that he's
friends with, and they they'llsay hello to each other.
SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
It's cool, however, they communicate, I don't know,
but I remember it took me rightwhen the pandemic hit, it was an
off weekend, it wasn't even abusy weekend.
It took me three and a halfhours to get my boat on the
water.
That's how much like this isswelled up.
Yeah, it was pretty impressive.
That opened my eyes to thedemand here, and then how many
people wanted to stay out here?
Meaning, you know, buy a secondhome and now start coming out
(05:44):
here more.
And I think a lot of people aswell, at least some of the
friends I'm talking to, theyspend so much time with their
kids and their family.
They're like, this is what wewant to continue to do.
So they bought side by sides, orthey bought, you know, uh a
fifth wheel and they starteddoing that type of stuff, and
now it's just kind of now intheir blood.
SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Well, I think, yeah, uh just real quickly, I was
gonna say, I think uh one of thethings that I love about what
you guys are doing, and evenfrom what what I saw some of the
social media stuff and I wasimpressed, and uh you really hit
on uh what habasu's all about,right?
And you know, we always talkabout or talk about generational
wealth, right?
That's one thing, butgenerational happiness, that's
(06:21):
the one thing that people missfor the most part.
I think about like my time in LACounty and Long Beach, which I I
love where I live, but I thinkwe were talking earlier.
I get I definitely don't getflipped off here as much as I do
there, right?
People are just they're nothappy, they're on edge all the
time.
The people that are in Havasuare happy people, they're
adventurers, they like theyspend generational happiness,
right?
(06:41):
That's what they're transferringto their kids.
That's what I want to transferto my kids.
You know, I'm gonna bring tearsto my eyes if I think about it
too much.
But my dad, who's who's 83, I'msure he's got 10,000 miles this
last year of uh, you know, sideby side on this side and that
side.
And that's what he instilled inus.
It was about family, right?
So when when the pandemic hit,what am I gonna do?
(07:01):
I'm gonna take care of my familyand make sure they're safe.
Well, not only make sure they'resafe, but then we had hundreds
and hundreds of hours onmotorcycle riding and shooting
guns and driving off road carsand on the boat and
wakeboarding, and that's themost important thing in life.
Wealth, great, whatevergenerational wealth, yeah,
that's nice to create.
And obviously, it's nice to havesome money to spend on these
toys, but that's where life isreally the most present.
(07:26):
And I think, you know, I lookeduh looking at the at the uh barn
caves and storage, etc.
What are those places?
Those are like the point of yourhappiness.
That's where all your toys are,that's where all your friends
are.
And you know, you pull into thatplace, it feels good, you feel
happy.
You feel like you've, you know,not only you're creating
(07:47):
something for your family, butyou're able to enjoy, you know,
your toys.
For me, like California, I mean,I gotta pay 15 million to be
able to store my stuff, right?
I don't have 15 million, so allmy stuff lives out here, right?
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
And uh, and it's also not everything's used here.
People use their toys.
They're not, you know, they'reon the water with their boats,
they don't just sit indriveways.
Uh Belmont Shore, we have Naplesthere.
And you know, I my wife and Ilaugh about it a lot.
We'll take the Duffy out and goaround the canals.
And you know, very rarely do yousee somebody outside sitting on
their porch.
(08:21):
Very rarely.
Yeah, and we always ask, well,why is that?
Yeah, why is that?
Well, because they're too busymaking money to pay their bills,
they don't even get to use it.
Here, it's a better lifestyle.
I just that's what I love aboutHavasu City.
You guys have definitely hit it,and that makes me excited.
It's fun to watch as you guysgrow up in this place we're in
right now.
This is insane.
It's gonna be so cool.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
Thank you.
Yeah, I I I that means a lotbecause I think a lot of people
that follow us or track us orlisten to our podcast, they
don't know the the culture ofHavasu.
And that's why I think someonelike you that comes out here is
a is a great fit for us becauseyou you already believe in it,
you already see what we'redoing.
So it's kind of a it's a makessense scenario.
The the common conversation, andwe always joke about it, is
(09:03):
people have more toys in theirgarages than the the house of
the value of the house, right?
So you may have a hundred, youknow, a million dollars worth of
toys in your in your garage, butthe house is only worth a
million bucks kind of thing,right?
Yeah, and it's so true.
But it is there is there's a lotof truth to what you were saying
too, is that people just want tohave a better life.
And when the pandemic hit, um,you know, the journey, but when
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the pandemic hit, you know, wereally focused because our kids
weren't able to spend time withtheir friends, you know.
If you were in high school, youknow, a lot of people didn't get
a lot of the kids didn't get achance to go to their their
proms or get or even graduateand walk.
And I if you if you were aparent during those times with
kids, you know, you wanted totry to get them away from that,
knowing, hey, this is a crazytime of life, but you don't want
them to be too negativelyimpacted.
(09:45):
So you start doing more thingsas a family.
Yeah.
And that was a big thing thatwas going on in Havasu.
So the the parents seem to be alittle more hands-on than
normal.
No, obviously they had the time,but the you saw just the kind of
that core group of familiescoming together, and I thought
that was really neat.
So that's who I am, my threekids.
And and I I just it was it wasso important to me.
(10:05):
And then the the relationships Iwas building, listening to their
wealth and how they're trying tomaneuver.
And I'm like, if we instead ofbuilding storage units where you
just rent them out, how aboutyou can buy one at a at a lower
price?
It's fee simple.
You get the ride off, you know,from a real estate side, because
I'm a real estate nerd.
Right.
And but you can start buildingand retaining general
generational wealth, but thenyou can also store your toys.
(10:26):
I'm like, how about you can doboth, right?
How is there a way to kind ofand that's the really kind of in
a nutshell, really, is why wewent down that road.
And then listening to whatpeople are looking for and
watching the migration here andhealthcare and so forth.
We're like, why don't we build,you know, these storage units
with real houses, which isalready here, right?
Three bedroom, two bathrooms,it's still very common here.
But I'm like, why don't we govertical, build it more dense,
(10:46):
and try to do something a littlemore affordable, affordable?
Because we didn't know which waythe world was going, right?
This is prior to elections.
Yeah, it didn't matter becauseeven today, if you look at the
stock market, just thevolatility is insane.
So we knew no matter what, wewant to build something that was
going to be sustainable,affordable.
And as people migrate, if thecost of living is still high,
they can start maneuvering theirlives to at least enjoy the
(11:07):
journey, not just hand over thewealth that they've created.
Because it's true, out here,going back in California, not
everyone's outside on their ontheir backyards.
Here, this time of year,especially with everything that
just happened in you know, backeast with those storms, yeah,
everyone's outside.
I mean, it's what it's 71degrees right now.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
And everybody's happy, and everyone's happy.
That's I mean, to me, that's thebiggest thing.
Like we just come here and it'suh we walk in the door, and it's
an instant, you know, 50-pointreduction in tension and stress.
And you're just stoked, you'rejust stoked to be here, and
around other people that arestoked to be here, and that
creates its own, you know.
I mean, I I go side note here,but spent a lot of time on
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gratitude over the last year.
And uh it's everything, right?
It's like to be so thankful tohave number one, a place like
this, and then to have peoplearound you that have similar
philosophy, it just feeds onitself, right?
So pretty soon you can't helpbut be happy.
I mean, I so if you run intosomebody who's unhappier,
(12:07):
there's probably, you know,probably give them a hug or
something because something'sgoing on in their life that you
don't know about.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (12:12):
You know, it's it's I'm glad that you brought that
up because you know, I don't geta chance to talk that much about
that personal side on on the onthe podcast.
And I really like that you youtouched on that.
I think when you go throughenough in life, you start
chasing peace.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
And and I think that is probably the best way to put
it.
When you come out here, you havethe what the life, the cost of
living here is a lot cheaper.
You can go to dinner almostevery night if you needed to,
you know.
It's just it's the peace is it'sso different.
You don't have the traffic,right?
You know, it's just a completelydifferent vibe.
But my father retired as an LACounty Sheriff, and he went
through a lot.
I mean, he was in the trenchesin LA.
(12:46):
And, you know, he's been shot,he broke his back.
I mean, all the horror stories,he's one of them, right?
He just, of course, he was in hewas his own worst enemy, he kind
of put himself in the mix, youknow.
But but when you hear hisstories and you hear about when
he retired, he said, you know,there's there's places in the
world that are a whole lotbetter than LA, you know, just
certain things.
And there's other really greatplaces about LA, but you the at
least what he wore.
(13:07):
He worked the one ways inNorwalk, that type of stuff, you
know.
And um, and now I see his peaceand happiness out here.
It's so different becausegrowing up with him while he was
still, you know, uh employed,uh, he was thinking everybody
was the worst enemy in theworld.
So growing up with a in a lawenforcement family was really
hard.
But it took about 15 years oncehe retired and came out here
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with enough, you know, exposureto good people and happiness.
He's not the same person as hewas 20 years ago.
He's sleeping better, he's notfearful, have to have a gun
under his bed.
Like he doesn't have to feelthat way anymore.
Yeah, when he's out here, hedoesn't even have the gun on
him.
That is not my father.
My father was the guy who alwayshad a gun somewhere, so stacking
somewhere.
And he's not that way now.
And I think that's a big dealwhen you see a guy who was, you
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know, a cop for 35 years andthen he goes to a place where he
can get away, and then hedoesn't have to feel that fear
anymore.
Right.
That's a that's that's whatcaught my attention more than
anything.
Yeah, you know, and and again,the the family, the family
environment, the amount of youngfamilies that have moved out of
California or Vegas or all theseother places that have come here
is impressive.
And I think that's what I wantto do more is continue to try to
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build stuff that's for the youthhere.
Yeah, every every city hasdeficiencies, and that's one of
them here.
And I think what we can do as afirm, because we have a niche,
is to continue to build maybestuff where people can go and
enhance their lives and build acommunity and meet new people
and hence the family officesociety, you know, that type of
stuff.
And just continue to try to givea good environment for people,
it's safe.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Bring Trader Joe's too.
I think that's it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
If I could get I have been trying to get Trader
Joe's and Sprouts, yeah.
If we can get a Sprouts and aTrader Joe's, I think we're
gonna be able to do it.
Solid, rock solid.
We're killing it.
Okay, so let's have some fun.
Let's talk a little bit aboutyour career.
Okay, which got you on on gotyou on the podcast.
So um now you showed you sharedsome uh parts of your story with
me.
I want the I want the audienceto kind of hear from you.
So let's talk about, you know,kind of give me the spill kind
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of what we talked about from thevery beginning, how you got into
it, kind of, you know, dirtbikes, your accident, kind of
getting into, you know, youwanted to go Formula One.
Let's talk about it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
So yeah, so I started off uh racing motocross.
That was my dad had racedmotorcycles, and my brother and
I got into racing motorcycles,and we were fast, quick.
Did you ever go?
I'm sorry to interrupt, did youever go to Star West or do any
of that stuff out there?
SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Oh, yeah.
You did all that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
Oh, Star West was probably kind of the later part
for me.
Yeah, it was even likeSaddleback and Indian dudes,
which are tracks that don'texist anymore.
Glenn Helen.
Glenn Helen, so many tracks thatdon't exist anymore.
Um, but started off withmotocross and really uh turned
professional at a very youngage.
I think I was 15 when I turnedpro.
I was a I did crash a lotthough.
And I mean, even in my carstuff, all my crashes have been
over 100 miles away.
Well, you're walking fine.
(15:37):
Yeah, really.
Give me wait, because it's warmhere.
That's probably why I like ithere too.
T-Share.
Uh but um yeah, so motocross wasa big part of my life.
That was through through highschool.
I broke my back and my neck inAnaheim Stadium, Supercross
1986.
I think Rick Johnson, uh, who'sa rock star buddy of mine, won
that year in 250 class.
But uh, we decided we're gonnago race off road cars.
(15:59):
My back wasn't healing, and sowe started racing go-karts.
Long story short, that kind ofmoved into formula cars.
And I had a you know asuccessful uh formula car
career.
I really wanted to race FormulaOne.
At that time, really weren'tAmericans weren't really going
over there.
I had planned on going to racein uh Switzerland at one point.
Raced, I won the night beforethe 500 in India in 1992.
Oh wow uh thinking I was goingto Europe in '93.
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Sponsorship stuff fell apart,took a one-off ride with a team
that hadn't been really supersuccessful with their car yet.
93, uh on my way to win therace, had an engine blow.
I got hit head on by anotherformula car, broke my cheeks, my
nose, bruised my brain, broke mywrist, got hammered.
While I was healing, my bestfriend at the time was Mouse
(16:43):
McCoy, who you probably knowfrom Dust and Glory.
Uh, we were living together andhe was oh, it was a great time.
But he he was working his way upin the film business at that
time, you know, very at the verybottom level, but was starting
to get into the stunt stuffhimself.
His dad was a director,producer.
He's like, you got to come trythis out.
So I was still really trying torace full time and expect, you
know, at that point now I'mtrying to transition, like,
(17:05):
okay, the Indy 500, that's mythat's my goal.
Uh got into the stunt businessuh with the cars.
There was a transition kind ofperiod of where guys were stunt
guys were you know really goodat everything, great athletes,
but not any one particularthing.
And there was that transitionwhere the car movies were
getting more prevalent, yeah,and being able to slide a car
next to a wall was, you know, avery specialized deal.
And that was kind of how I gotin.
SPEAKER_01 (17:26):
Gone in 60 seconds was a thing.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, fast forward, allof a sudden it's you know, 10
years later, and I really wasstarting to make that's where I
was making my living, was withthe stunt business, and that's
that was the transition.
I still have racedprofessionally for years.
Uh race Pike's Peak, whichprobably for me was like that
was really my ultimate from myracing perspective.
I raced it 20 times, I won itseven.
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I was the only guy that everbroke this the 10-minute mark in
a car and on a motorcycle.
Race for Ducati, which was agreat experience, great brand.
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
I didn't know that.
Ducati was for Ducati.
SPEAKER_00 (17:59):
I was with Ducati for for several years.
I was had their first win on thehypermotar and first win on
their multi-strada.
Oh my gosh.
So that was pretty great.
Really fun.
Um, a lot of risk.
But that's I had the right, Ithink I had the right skill set
for it because I had the carbackground, the motorcycle
background, and then the stunbusiness.
You know, you're showing up, yougot to be on on point on the
moment.
You got 200 people watching you,you're gonna slide into an
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intersection, got to hit yourmark, or hit a car, or whatever
you're doing.
So, you know, you build thatskill set, it becomes part of
your mindset, and it becomessomewhat muscle memory.
Yep.
Um, so here I am all these yearslater, still doing it.
So it's been great.
I've got to do some great, youknow, some fun movies.
You said uh, you know, I wantedto go to Formula One.
I worked on the Formula Onemovie.
We did the Daytona stuff there.
(18:41):
Is that the one with uhSylvester Talon?
That was uh that was no, thatwas the first one.
That was driven.
That was a Sylvester indicy carmovie.
That's right.
And it's sort of panned by themotorsports community, but it
was fun to work on.
SPEAKER_01 (18:52):
So yeah, that's so cool.
What other movies have you beenon?
Shows, TVs?
SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
Yeah, so I did the F1 movie that as far as what's
out right now, the Family Planone and Family Plan Two, both
those just came out, or FamilyPlan two just came out.
I've worked on probably fourFast and Furious, Spider-Man,
Italian job.
I was uh I was Matt Damon'sdouble for Ford vs.
Ferrari.
Oh, no way.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, it was Edgar.
I just watched that the otherday on Netflix on Netflix too.
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That was a fun one to work on.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
That's really cool.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Yeah.
So my gosh.
So you get a lot of exposure.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
And you're still doing it.
Still doing it.
What's uh any plan to retireanytime soon?
SPEAKER_00 (19:25):
I don't know.
It's like I still enjoy it.
So um, and it's funny, the funnything about the stunt business,
you know, you show up.
I had a funny thing happen lastweek where I was doing a
commercial, riding a motorcyclethrough a through a house,
knocking over tables and things.
But I get there and I brought myson Wyatt, who's 17, he's
starting to get into the stuntbusiness.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
He's my son's age.
SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
Yeah, he's a great motorcycle rider.
And uh so I'm like, hey, youknow, tag along with me.
I want you it's nice to be onset and see what's going on and
check it out.
And so we we get to set and theproducer sees me, who's a friend
of mine, and walks me over tointroduce me to the directors.
It's a director team, they'reprobably in their early 20s, and
he's like, This is our ourmotorcycle stunt rider, and they
both stick their hand out toshake my son's hand.
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And I no, no, not this guy, theold guy standing next to him,
the gray-haired guy.
They're like, Whoa, I could seethat moment of like, whoa, uh
something doesn't seem righthere.
But you know, you're justdeveloping skills for years and
years and years, and Iunderstand camera and you know,
still have the skill set to ridebikes or crash cars or slide
cars.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
So might as well keep going.
Just keep going.
I love it.
You probably get to get to meetsome really cool people too.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Yeah, I meet some great people, and you know, I
think one of the things thatreally attracted me to Paradigm
was you know, I spend most of mylife around risk takers and
creative, right?
And that's a beautiful mix.
So a risk, you know, when peoplethink about risk takers like
you're crazy or this.
(20:49):
No, risk take if you're a crazyrisk taker, your career is
really short.
If you're if you're a crazy risktaker in business, your career
is really short.
So it's it's a somebody thatknows how to really balance risk
and at the same time have acreative part of it.
Like that's the that's the mostperfect uh situation, right?
And so, you know, even when Isaw your guys' stuff, I was
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like, okay, this this would makesense.
Obviously, the creativity isthere big time, and you know,
risk you you you when you firstcame here, yeah, that was a
risk, but then you realize thewhat you guys were doing, and
you're able to keep recreatingthe process and maybe do
something that's different, likewhat we're sitting in right
here.
That's gonna be incredible, andthat's gonna be a great addition
(21:29):
to the community.
Uh, barn caves, the storage,like on and on and on, right?
So that's most of my days with,and and I enjoy that the most.
I like the creatives.
People are constantly coming upwith new ideas, and you know,
you show up on something likethe commercial I was just
talking about, like, oh, this isa really great concept, and I
get to be a part of it.
That's super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
Yeah.
I love it, I appreciate it.
Because the first thing you saidwhen you came in here, you're
like, nobody else is doing thisin Havasu, right?
And I'm like, not that I knowof.
This is definitely one of akind.
And really, that's what you'rethat if because if you think
about what makes you known ifyou're trying to build
awareness, is your brand.
SPEAKER_00 (22:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
You know, what do people know you as, right?
And then if they know you as adeveloper, it builds really neat
stuff that people reallyappreciate and like, then you
got a good brand.
You know, then if you're makingpeople money, you really get a
good brand.
You know, and uh and bringingsomething that's a little more
forward thinking to thecommunity that other people just
haven't thought of yet.
And what that did is for Itcreated a niche, but it also did
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it eliminated us having umcompetition.
We don't have any competitionbecause we're not doing what
everyone else is doing.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
And I think that's helped us a lot.
And I think that, like younailed it, the creativity,
people are going, you know, theworld's changing so much faster
than it did 10 years ago in ayear.
Right.
You know, if you look at whathappened with the pandemic, even
with our existingadministration, they are cooking
every single day, weekend,they're just cranking.
And I tell everybody if you'rein the capital markets, you have
to watch how fast like the worldis shifting politically,
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everything else, and you have tomove just as fast.
So creativity has to move.
You have to look at the like Ilove the risk component,
calculated risk.
You know, what are people doing?
Where are people migrating?
Data now is at our fingertipsmore than ever before.
You know, can we look at whatpeople are looking for, wanting,
migrating to, healthcare,spending habits, and lifestyle,
and trying to have some sort ofa decent journey, but leave, but
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yet leave something for yourgrandkids.
That's all we really try tocreate.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
So it's kind of more ears to the ground than anything
else.
One of the things that I alwayspreached, and I have worked for
other big firms, and I was theonly guy on the streets building
the relationships, bringing allthe you know, intel into the
corporate office.
And I used to tell them, like,guys, what you guys think is
happening compared to what's onthe streets are two different
things.
Um, one of the things thatpeople tell me and they love
about me is I'm on every one ofmy sites every day.
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I'm getting a chance to meeteverybody who works on the site,
I'm listening to the problems,the hurt, the hard uh the
hurdles.
And when I see it live in realtime, I can start planning for
it down the road on the nextproject, right?
How to pivot, how to migratearound it, whatever.
That that gives us that edge.
Then you have, you know, if youif you take just that simple
concept and you look at it froman investment side, that's all
we're trying to do, you know, isbuild something that people
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want, focused on, like uh, forexample, you know, steel
building methods.
And in my opinion, that's goingto be the fastest growing trend
pretty soon because look ateverything that happened with
the fires in LA.
Right.
Insurance costs have gonethrough the roof.
It's been continuing to go upprior to the fire.
So we saw that trend happening.
Now it just kind of uh spikedit.
Now it's a topic ofconversation.
But even when you're underconstruction, that's when you
(24:25):
have the the most risk of fireis up, is you have no water on
site yet.
You have, you know, everything'sgoing vertical.
Yeah.
If we went to steel, thelikelihood of uh fire goes down
significantly.
So you're able to startmitigating risk and dropping
your cost by using differentmethods, and and nobody else is
doing that out here.
So it's not that this is new.
This happened in other placesacross the country.
(24:46):
I'm just bringing it here.
So it's not that I'm inventingthe wheel, I'm just creating a
brand in this area and justbuilding awareness of what we're
doing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Yeah.
Well, and it's funny, and we getback real quick to you talking
about being on on site all thetime.
You can feel that energy, youknow.
I felt that one of the projectsI've already looked at.
And uh I'm just thinking to mymy personal experience from a
directing standpoint, thedirectors are the ones that are
run the show, right?
You show up on a movie set,commercials, TV show, whatever.
(25:14):
It's a director's vision.
He and the AD is making ithappen.
You've got all these differentsub you know, contractors in a
way, right?
You've got the electricdepartment, you got camera, you
got all the different guys.
But you can I can walk on theset, maybe somebody I haven't
worked with or somebody haveworked with, you can feel it
when you walk on, like, ah,that's gonna be one of those
days, right?
Or you can feel the ones wherethe guys are like super switched
(25:36):
on and they're excited, stoked,and all they know everybody on
the team, and they're you know,given the camera department
props or given you know thegaffers props, whatever.
It definitely funnels down andit creates a better environment.
And you feel that environment,and then people work harder and
you get end up with a betterproduct.
So it's a training.
It's a literally the same thing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
It's culture, right?
That's a that's another topic ofconversation for businesses if
you're gonna run a well-oiledmachine or not.
And what I've learned is for me,if I focus on culture, I can run
a I can run a better businesswith a leaner overhead.
You have people that are excitedto be there, they typically can
carry more weight.
Yeah, if you have people thathave the ability to take on more
(26:17):
responsibilities, it gives thempurpose to wake up.
And then they have the abilityto elevate within the company,
and then I say, hey, instead ofme hiring this person, do you
want to take on that hat?
I'll give you a little bit morepay.
So now everybody's making moremoney, I have less bodies to
deal with, less you know,emotions to deal with, right?
And then everyone's getting paidwell, and then we're all we're
we're humming because everyone'scommunicating well, right?
Not everybody fits the mold, butwhen you get them, when you get
(26:39):
when you're in sync, it's it'sit's like the best team to play
for in the world, you know.
And there's nothing better whenyou're winning and you're
playing for a good team.
Yeah, you know, so that's what Itry to preach to everybody uh
within the firm is you know, theculture, uh, given Billy uh the
ability for people to elevate.
Um, I built, you know, uh astructure where people get
equity in the company.
So as people come in as they'renew, they get to see that other
(27:00):
people have equity, they get towork up to that.
So you don't have this abilityto just you know tap at the
there's a ceiling, you get totap.
You have the ability to tie intoall the profit that paradigm is
able to do, right?
To ever to accomplish.
And that's what helps us besuccessful for our clients,
because with that culture, italways starts with the culture.
If I'm gonna try to deliver, youknow, a project where our
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investors are gonna make money,I need a team to get there.
If my team believes in it andthey work hard, knowing like,
hey, if we are successful, I geta piece of it too.
They get pregnant with me andthey're like, I'm all in.
You know, and that's the waythat's all we're trying to do.
So it's like, what does itactually take?
And I think people don't seethat.
It's like, what is it actuallygoing to take?
And if you have a firm thatunderstands if you can build
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everybody up that you bring infrom the bottom, they'll they'll
they can if they really likewant to be there, they'll do
well.
Yeah, last example was uhBrianna, she's my controller.
I say it respectfully.
She was working for an actuallybig firm, she just hated
traveling.
So she applied to work for us,and she was traveling down to
San Diego from Temecula everyday, and she was just being beat
up by by um uh traffic, and shedidn't want to deal with the
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traffic anymore, rightfully so.
So two hours one way, two hoursback, it's a long way.
So she was like, you know what?
I will take a pay cut, not haveto live this like this.
So when we brought her on, wedidn't know really.
I mean, we saw a resume andwe're like, you know what?
She's consistent, she's got somegood predic pedigree.
Let's see what she but you neverreally know who they are, right?
You look at paper and who theyreally are, two different
things.
So we bring her on, and she wasum she was, I mean, strong, but
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what I really I was the one whopaid attention to it.
She was like the first one thereand the last one to leave.
SPEAKER_00 (28:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:34):
And she just always worked.
And then I had the the lady thatwas underneath her.
I never even really interviewedher.
I so I never I didn't even seeher.
I had a big, big firm at thetime.
And uh, and then the lady thatuh was kind of in her, so she
was in, she took over herposition.
She uh had a baby, so she was onleave for a little while.
So she came to me and her namewas Joanna and she goes, What do
who should I bring under me tokind of take over some of my
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weight?
And I said, Well, there'sprobably four or five people you
can spread it out to.
And then Brianna just kind ofkept showing up and kept doing
it.
I said, You know, I think Briecan do it all.
And she's like, I'll give her,I'll I'll give her, I'll let her
try.
So we gave it to Brie, and Briejust crushed it.
And I'm like, I can't now I havetwo of them, I'm excited.
So now Brie's the vice presidentof the company, she's our
controller, but she literallystarted at the bottom, you know.
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And so it's that's a that's agreat feeling for people as we
bring them on that doesn'tmatter where you stand, if you
work hard, you have someknowledge, and you you want to
you you believe in it and you'regonna show up, right?
Let's go, you know.
But you also know have to thisis a war, too.
You know, you got there's a lotof stress.
This is great, but it was a lotof stress to get here.
I think I had like 50 gray hairmore than oh, yeah, yesterday
(29:40):
than I did today, kind of thing,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:41):
So you don't have to stop writing checks for a while,
you know, it's part of the deal.
You know, so you gotta make themworthwhile.
SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
But you know, when we when you deliver this stuff
and you do it over and overagain, it just becomes a little
more you build the scales, youbuild the track record, you
build kind of the abilityinternally to just get it done.
So you just don't, it's notemotional anymore.
It's just getting it done andhitting our marks and moving on.
And so, you know, we we feelvery blessed that we've been
able to accomplish what we,especially in the small town,
because that's got its ownhurdles in itself, yeah.
(30:08):
You know, so to be able todeliver this out here and all
the other things that go alongwith it, as far as just
economically and you know,materials and just all the stuff
that you know you have to kindof deal with.
We did okay.
Yeah, and I really appreciateyou seeing it in us.
No, no, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Yeah, it's great.
Great, great to see.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
So we we should talk about Joe a little bit because
Joe over there, look at him.
What's up, Joe?
Hey, what's up, Joe?
How you doing, buddy?
He was a stunt man, so he was onuh what were it, Fear Factor.
He was on Fear Factor, he had toflip a car.
He made fit, he actually won.
He got fifty thousand dollars.
Yeah, that's cool because heslid the car as far as it could
possibly go, right?
That's how he won.
(30:44):
Yeah, nice.
Congrats.
His back's still messed up.
I took him golfing the otherday.
Well, how are you?
33?
I tell everybody he's 33, he'sgot a back brace on it, he'd
even play, he didn't even makeit through 18 holes.
I'm like, dude, is that from theis that from the the from your
stunts that you drive?
Did you see this stunt driverright here?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (30:59):
He's not doing that.
I played Havasu last week.
I should say I drove the golfcart and my wife played.
So I get it.
I'm pretty beating it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
It's usually the other way around.
SPEAKER_00 (31:07):
Usually you're playing the bike cart.
That's great.
I just yeah, hand her a drinkand drive the cart.
How cool.
Right on.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
Yeah, it's it's uh that's the one thing I want to
see out here is uh better golfcourses.
Yeah, it's coming.
Yeah, doesn't matter if if it'sa win.
Um the uh the refuge justcleaned up too.
SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's great.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
Yeah, that iron wolf and then that little, very cool.
It's like a little top golf theycreated over there.
SPEAKER_00 (31:28):
Yeah, it's really pretty neat.
We actually looked at housesthere for a little bit
ourselves, trying to figure outwhat our next next spot is.
SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
But we're trying to.
I have a client that came to usto want to build.
She's got she wants us to builda spec on one of her lots in
there.
Yeah.
And uh, she's just kind ofgetting tired.
She doesn't want to deal withit, but she's got a great
background in development.
And she comes to me and goes,Hey, you want to build over
here?
I was like, I'll build it foryou.
Yeah.
But you know, let's let's see ifsee what we can do.
So we're kind of going throughthe design right now.
Yeah, that's a really good area.
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I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:55):
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
A lot of family in there.
Um, when I say family, likelittle family.
I have my two uncles that livein there now.
Um, Ray retired as well, lawenforcement from LA.
Came out here to spend some timewith you know the old man.
So they're in there and they'realways like, Well, Ryan needs to
build in there.
Let's go see if we can get it inthere.
Yeah, it's good.
It's really pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
Got an ammo shop up the street.
You're pretty well covered.
Everything.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
And you know, it's if if you've driven, if you've
driven on uh London Bridge Roadlately, they there's a guy.
Did you see that big man cavethat guy built across from
Golfview?
It's another oh yeah, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, pretty neat.
Yeah, yeah.
I forget what he calls it.
It's PH something.
I forget what he calls it.
Do you guys remember what it wascalled?
I don't I forgot what he calledit.
Playhouse?
I think he called it a play,something like that, but it was
pretty neat.
He's got these uh hectagonlights in there, and you know, a
(32:35):
lot of guys coming out herebuilding man caves.
Yeah, this is the man cavemecca.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
It's gotta be the capital of the world for that,
actually.
You know, it's so much going on.
I mean, it's so much fun forwe'll come across on the boat.
You know, I think there's likethe Volkswagen uh bus show that
was just a couple weeks ago, andthere's always something
happening, which is really cool.
If you're into cars ormotorcycles or anything, you
know, boats.
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
They had the Raptor Fest here with a month ago.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Yeah, kind of a place to be, right?
It's pretty great.
SPEAKER_01 (33:00):
To have all the raptors in the country come here
and do off-roading, that'spretty cool.
Yeah, that's very cool.
Of the um Desert Storm, yeah,that was a big deal.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Last year, did you were you did was it last year
with the boat flip?
We were we left the day, I thinkthe day that that happened, we
had been on the water that weekand then uh was going somewhere
for a job or something, and weleft and started getting the
videos about two hours after wewere on the road.
I was like, oh I mean, not thatI hate to see people crash, but
if we are gonna crash anyways, Iwould like to have been there.
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
Well, if anybody knows it's you, but it's it's
pretty crazy.
He flipped at 209, so not onlydid he win this fastest speed,
but you know, at 209 he came upout of the water and it's kind
of like did you see it kind ofgrabbed additional air and just
kind of flipped?
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
It was a little bit like a wing, you know.
I mean, at a certain point, it Ithink it saved him as it was
coming down, got all that airairflow pressed against it and
calmed it down.
SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
I think one one guy broke his rib, another guy broke
his, I could be wrong, but Ithink another guy broke his his
ankle, but that was it.
So, I mean, if that's all yougot after that, that's I think
you're pretty safe.
A lot of a lot of dynamics goingon with that stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
I was actually talking with one of my stunt
driver friends, Reese Millen,who's who's a uh off-road racer
as well.
And we were talking about trophytrucks and talking about
horsepower, and someone wasasking, like, oh, what is it,
like a thousand horse, two, youknow, 1500 horsepower?
He's like, No, we're like atlike 950.
So honestly, like you get abovea thousand and you're just
pushing the airflow.
You're you know, those they'rebig trucks, so you're pushing
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against the the air so hard thatyou just end up starting to get
wheel spin, which is crazy.
Think about 150 miles an hour,now you're getting wheel spin
because you know, you'reliterally pushing against a wall
of air in these big trucks.
SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
Those that dynamic, just the the calculus, the
engineering behind that stuff isjust unbelievable.
There was a uh you probably knowthem.
I think it was undergroundracing.
I think one of the guys he had ahe had a just recently, a couple
weeks ago, uh it was theLamborghini, uh, it was a
hurricane that was the fastestin the world.
I think it did 260.
And there's another guy who justdid 265, same setup, uh, but it
(34:58):
was an Audi R8.
And there's all kinds of youknow stuff going on.
But 265 miles an hour.
SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
It's pretty fast.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah, it's things happen realquick.
SPEAKER_01 (35:06):
Yep.
So, Greg, is there anything elseyou want to add?
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
No, I mean, I think uh again, it's you know, I'm so
happy to see what's going onhere.
Havisu City is an amazing place,great place to bring family.
Yeah, you know, it's aboutfamily for me.
Like, and I think maybe, youknow, you have a the population
here has kind of they've madeit, you know, they're what I
think the average age is 55 or57.
So they're sort of, you know,obviously you have above and
(35:31):
below that, right?
SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
So it was higher before.
It's coming down a little bit.
SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
Yeah, well, I I can see that that's happening, but I
think what's happened is you'rebringing people out here that
are what you were talking aboutearlier, like kind of that
peace, peaceful spot, right?
That's it's the point whereyou're like, okay, I've I've had
my successes, I've done thegreat things I wanted to do or
whatever, and now I want to justspend time with my family and
enjoy enjoy my toys.
(35:55):
And uh that's to me, that's Ilove I'm happiest when I'm here
as well, like we talked aboutthat earlier.
SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
So you know, one of the I'd say probably the most
popular part of I'd say the mostpopular conversation that I
have.
Once I really start building myrelationship with my clients,
it's just you know how volatilethe market and the world really
seems to be right now.
Yeah.
And you know, you get to acertain point where you're like,
look, I still have some fight inme, but I don't know how much I
want to continue to try tofight, you know, and and so
(36:22):
people are just trying tomigrate to areas that they
either grew up and went to orthey see other people that are,
you know, kind of like-minded,and and you know, the the facts
are you got more healthcare kindof move in this direction,
again, cost of living, and youjust kind of start downsizing in
a way where you just don't haveto deal with the stress.
You can kind of disconnect fromwatching the news so often, you
know, you don't have to watch itevery day to survive almost, you
(36:43):
know.
It's just different.
SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
Ultra critical.
SPEAKER_01 (36:45):
And I think for us, we keep watching it every day.
So, my my rule of thumb for myteam is they have to watch the
uh basically the business newsevery single day.
I want them to know exactlywhat's happening with stocks and
what have you, because peopleare gonna, you know, they're
maneuvering money around and wewant to be on the forefront.
We need to understand what'shappening, you know.
Um, and and and of course, whenyou're in the financial market,
(37:07):
every asset class has to beconsidered and people are
diversifying.
But what I'm one of the thingsthat I'm realizing is when I
when I meet with people and theycome out and do the site visits,
I'll have other, you know,former builders and developers.
And they're like, you're rightin the heart of your career.
You have the young pack.
I believe in you, I like whatyou're doing, and you're on the
right direction.
You have the team.
I can invest with you because Iknow the risks.
(37:27):
I've been there.
And I also know that, you know,what you guys are doing because
I believe in the community, Ithink you're on the right track.
So I get a lot of people thatare part of my um, I would say a
part of the company haveinvested at some point, or even,
you know, other companies I workwith just on third party side
that have just that are justreally being a big, I would say
I have a big advisory board.
(37:47):
Yeah, there's nothing betterthan that.
So that's the hence the wholeyou know, family office society
network.
The amount of people that I cancall for help or what have you,
it's it's impressive.
And these are people that havemoney when they're gonna they're
gonna answer the phone.
Ryan's calling, what can I dofor you?
You know, yeah.
Um, so it's really kind of neatbecause I can sleep at night
knowing I have resources.
And sometimes that's you know,not necessarily a conversation
that I bring up, but I do have alot of resources to kind of help
(38:10):
if things are kind of weird, youknow.
Um, or I'm trying to look formaterial or whatever the case
may be.
So we've we've been able to, wepulled those cards, and uh, and
I I think that's what you seewith the people that are
investing in and want to be apart of this community.
It's again, it's it's just uh abunch of people that all see
life the same way, right?
You know, and it's it's I feelvery blessed because you know,
Tony Robbins said it best themost you know, where the real
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wealth is within yourrelationships, right?
Literally friendships, personalrelationships.
You can't take all this withyou, you know.
What how deep are your realrelationships?
You know, and it's really prettyneat.
SPEAKER_00 (38:41):
So yeah, that's a hundred percent.
I believe in that.
That's just so true.
It's so true.
Friends, family, you know, Ihave I have I have friends that
are family.
SPEAKER_01 (38:49):
Yeah, you know, it's just the way it goes.
You have your family, and thenyou have your friends that are
family, you know, and you kindof get that you get that vibe
here from side by sides, thegroups out here, people who do
all the side-by-side stuff, orjet ski guys, or boater guys,
you know.
I mean, they literally havelike, you know, Eliminator has
the regatta, you know, theEliminator guys get together.
You know, it's just such a coolvibe out here.
I love it, man.
SPEAKER_00 (39:09):
But that's one of the great things about Havasu, I
think, is yeah, you have allthese subgroups, right?
You got the guys that are juststrictly side by sides, you got
the hot rodder dudes, you gotthe moto guys, you got, like you
say, the jet skiers, thesit-down guys.
All you know, you can go down,like go by the bridge, and
they've got the jet ski guys outthere practicing for the
nationals or whatever.
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A jet ski national champion canwalk into a eliminator club and
they're totally connected,right?
Oh, totally, yeah.
Because it's the same mentality,like yeah, I love this, but
you're stoked to be with thosesame, because it's the same
personality type, right?
I think uh you know, youdefinitely have that.
You are that person as well.
When that and it translates towhat what what I'm seeing.
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So I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Yeah, it was um it was I was talking to um so
Jeremy, one of the owners ofEliminator, him and I were
talking a while ago, and he wasjust saying that there's so many
people that have bought boatsthroughout the years that he
doesn't remember names.
He remembers the he remembersthem by the name of their boat.
SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
So I'm like, what's their boat?
What kind of boat did they have?
How do you know this person?
Well, I don't what kind of boatdo they have, or what kind of
car, you know, what's the nameof their boat?
Oh, yeah, that guy, you know,it's actually pretty fun.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
So I was here.
I mean, I will say, you know, Isaid I was been coming here
since 69, something like that.
I can remember like when you hadan 18-foot boat, you were a
baller.
Yeah, right.
And now it's like, come on.
You have an 18-foot boat, you'resinking because the guy in the
40-foot boat just went by withfive motors.
It's so true.
205, you know.
So it's got to be on your toes,that's for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
It's crazy when you see a 16,000-pound center
console that's 40 foot long,still doing 100 miles an hour.
With 10 people on there, youknow, you're like, oh my
goodness, this thing's it's justthat's opposite.
That's why people want to be outhere because there's no uh speed
limit, too.
Right.
You know, so it's kind of cool.
SPEAKER_00 (40:48):
I like that.
SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
I'm a big fan of no speed limit.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Yeah, right.
Well, Greg, thank you for beingon here, buddy.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, it's great getting to hangout.
SPEAKER_01 (40:55):
I love bringing uh kind of different walks of life
onto the platform.
We have a really big following,and and uh people I get I get
comments on this type of stuff.
So I I wanted everyone to seekind of the the type of people
that come across our desk.
You know, it's really neat.
Glad to be a part of it.
It's so much fun.
Yeah.
Thanks for being here, buddy.
I really appreciate it.
Anytime.
Talk soon.
All right, sounds good.
All right, everybody, Ryan Garland here.
Welcome to the Paradigm Shift.
I have a really good friend ofmine, which we've got a chance
to get to know each other today.
We got Greg Tracy.
And I think what's reallyexciting is that, you know, we
continue to grow our platformwith all kinds of different
walks of life.
And I think what I loved abouthis background is that he's
actually a stunt car driver.
And I think we're gonna havesome fun today and just gonna
hear a little bit about hisbackground, and we'll just kind
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of collab on Lake Havasu and allthe wonderful things.
And today is also reallyexciting because we're actually
doing our first podcast in ournew headquarters building, which
is called FOF, uh, right offDover, right next to Industrial
in Lake Avaso.
And so this is our first one,and I'm glad you're here.
SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
And I'm stoked to be here.
Super legit, by the way.
I mean, I came up, I wasn't surewhat to expect.
I walked in, like, wow, thisplace is impressive.
Yeah, thank you.
Really impressive.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
This bit, yeah.
I remember telling Matt, I said,Hey, when he uh make sure he
doesn't run over the concretewhen it comes in, we just poured
it.
Yeah.
But thank you, that was reallycool.
Yeah, we you know, we we spent alot of time on this.
I actually bought the land fromanother builder, a good friend
of mine.
He was just looking for someliquidity and goes, Hey, I'm
gonna I'm gonna build somethingelse.
I need some liquidity.
We looked at the plans, we madesome adjustments to it, and we
said, Yep, we're gonna make thisour headquarters building.
(01:26):
Yeah, so yeah, we love it.
So thanks for being here.
SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Perfect, right in the middle.
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (01:29):
So 20,000 square feet.
We have uh probably half of ourequipment in here now.
Um, and we'll probably have thisall finished up.
I think we're shooting for nextuh next uh weekend, and uh,
we're gonna have a March 1stgrand opening for the motion for
it.
Yeah, we're not sure if we'regonna have a party yet, but I
think what we're gonna do is atleast have our friends and
family here, and then we'll do abig party maybe in a month or
(01:49):
two.
We'll just kind of fill thisplace up and then go have some
fun.
SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
I'm good with big parties, I'll be here.
SPEAKER_01 (01:53):
So, okay, so you uh, you know, we ran across each
other on social media inessence, right?
You are marketing, you kind ofcame in as a as a possible
investor, and you live acrossthe the across the lake, you're
on the California side.
SPEAKER_00 (02:03):
Yeah, so I've been coming up here since I was a
little kid.
I mean, I think I actuallystarted coming here in 1969 or
1970, obviously as a very littlelittle little kid.
Uh spent a lot of time on thecity side, but predominantly,
yeah, we're on the we're on theCalifornia side.
I live in Belmont Shore,California, majority of the
time, but this is our happyplace for sure.
I mean, the memories, uh,thousands, tens of thousands,
(02:26):
maybe a hundred thousand milesof riding and off-road cars up
here.
Uh my parents now have a placeon this side, so we do spend a
lot of time over here.
They're they're also going backand forth between Belmont Shore
and here here as well.
SPEAKER_01 (02:36):
No, we were talking about the pandemic and how many
people were coming out here.
And you said you came out here,you're planning on coming out
for what, two weeks?
SPEAKER_00 (02:43):
Yeah.
So my wife took our youngest toschool, and the the principal
happened under their friends,and he told her, hey, they're
talking about closing downschools.
So she came back and told methat.
I'm like, wait a second, this isthis is for real.
They're talking about closingdown schools yet.
We're not hearing about thisyet.
We're out of here.
That's our this is our safespot.
Always feel better and happierand have a sue anyway.
(03:05):
So we packed the kids up.
We came up here and we drove inand and uh kind of figured it
was gonna be like two weeks.
I think the first week we werehere that the tribal security
came around and said, Hey, youguys are here, but if you leave,
you can't come back, but you canstay.
So that was, and I think at thetime maybe there were seven
families out of 750 uh on theCalifornia side.
(03:26):
So it was basically like a ghosttown.
SPEAKER_01 (03:28):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (03:29):
And uh we sort of, you know, got into the into what
we had to do to just stay there.
As soon as everything shut downin California, obviously the
school shut down, Hollywoodcompletely shut down.
I mean, I think Hollywood shutdown more than any other
business uh on the planet atthat point.
Extra cautious, you know, howthey were.
So um at that point, the theguard gate was closed, the
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marina was closed, and we werewe were stuck there.
We're there, we were there for190 days.
SPEAKER_01 (03:56):
But you were able to come back over here.
SPEAKER_00 (03:57):
Yeah, I mean, I keep that kind of quiet.
Yeah, yeah.
I figured out a way to get toget across, and you know, we
were out on the on the boat.
I mean, just it was a crazy timetoo, because the you watch the
lake change.
I mean, everything, obviously,when you have hundreds of
thousands of people boating, andit's different than when you
have you know not so manypeople.
Yeah, I'm like, started seeingyeah, coyotes and I mean animals
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I'd never seen before.
I think I saw like seven oreight rattlesnakes in a short
period of time that you know younever see that.
Normally there's just too muchdensity and too much going on
that thing, you don't see them,but it's a great time.
SPEAKER_01 (04:29):
That it was getting the snakes were getting rattled
out.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's funny is when Ihad uh right during the
pandemic, we had the first phaseof paradigm storage going.
And right before the pandemic, Inever noticed all the donkeys.
SPEAKER_00 (04:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:43):
But then once everyone kind of started
swelling up out here, becausethis was like the spot to go to
from Southern California justbecause all the recreational and
families and so forth, andeverything was shut down.
So the amount of donkey poopthat was on my driveways at
paradigm storage, every day Igot there and I'm like, there's
more donkeys.
Yeah, I'm like, let's get outthe shovel.
So but it's true, and then it Ithink they started shipping some
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of those donkeys out of herebecause there was a lot of them,
they came through here.
SPEAKER_00 (05:06):
Yeah, it's the same on on our side.
There's quite a bit, I thinkthat happens.
Like it gets to a certain numberand they they need to move them
somewhere else.
But there's got to donkeys.
The donkeys are great, they'reactually super friendly.
My I have a golden retrieverthat has a couple that he's
friends with, and they they'llsay hello to each other.
SPEAKER_01 (05:23):
It's cool, however, they communicate, I don't know,
but I remember it took me rightwhen the pandemic hit, it was an
off weekend, it wasn't even abusy weekend.
It took me three and a halfhours to get my boat on the
water.
That's how much like this isswelled up.
Yeah, it was pretty impressive.
That opened my eyes to thedemand here, and then how many
people wanted to stay out here?
Meaning, you know, buy a secondhome and now start coming out
(05:44):
here more.
And I think a lot of people aswell, at least some of the
friends I'm talking to, theyspend so much time with their
kids and their family.
They're like, this is what wewant to continue to do.
So they bought side by sides, orthey bought, you know, uh a
fifth wheel and they starteddoing that type of stuff, and
now it's just kind of now intheir blood.
SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Well, I think, yeah, uh just real quickly, I was
gonna say, I think uh one of thethings that I love about what
you guys are doing, and evenfrom what what I saw some of the
social media stuff and I wasimpressed, and uh you really hit
on uh what habasu's all about,right?
And you know, we always talkabout or talk about generational
wealth, right?
That's one thing, butgenerational happiness, that's
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the one thing that people missfor the most part.
I think about like my time in LACounty and Long Beach, which I I
love where I live, but I thinkwe were talking earlier.
I get I definitely don't getflipped off here as much as I do
there, right?
People are just they're nothappy, they're on edge all the
time.
The people that are in Havasuare happy people, they're
adventurers, they like theyspend generational happiness,
right?
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That's what they're transferringto their kids.
That's what I want to transferto my kids.
You know, I'm gonna bring tearsto my eyes if I think about it
too much.
But my dad, who's who's 83, I'msure he's got 10,000 miles this
last year of uh, you know, sideby side on this side and that
side.
And that's what he instilled inus.
It was about family, right?
So when when the pandemic hit,what am I gonna do?
(07:01):
I'm gonna take care of my familyand make sure they're safe.
Well, not only make sure they'resafe, but then we had hundreds
and hundreds of hours onmotorcycle riding and shooting
guns and driving off road carsand on the boat and
wakeboarding, and that's themost important thing in life.
Wealth, great, whatevergenerational wealth, yeah,
that's nice to create.
And obviously, it's nice to havesome money to spend on these
toys, but that's where life isreally the most present.
(07:26):
And I think, you know, I lookeduh looking at the at the uh barn
caves and storage, etc.
What are those places?
Those are like the point of yourhappiness.
That's where all your toys are,that's where all your friends
are.
And you know, you pull into thatplace, it feels good, you feel
happy.
You feel like you've, you know,not only you're creating
(07:47):
something for your family, butyou're able to enjoy, you know,
your toys.
For me, like California, I mean,I gotta pay 15 million to be
able to store my stuff, right?
I don't have 15 million, so allmy stuff lives out here, right?
SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
Yep.
SPEAKER_00 (08:00):
And uh, and it's also not everything's used here.
People use their toys.
They're not, you know, they'reon the water with their boats,
they don't just sit indriveways.
Uh Belmont Shore, we have Naplesthere.
And you know, I my wife and Ilaugh about it a lot.
We'll take the Duffy out and goaround the canals.
And you know, very rarely do yousee somebody outside sitting on
their porch.
(08:21):
Very rarely.
Yeah, and we always ask, well,why is that?
Yeah, why is that?
Well, because they're too busymaking money to pay their bills,
they don't even get to use it.
Here, it's a better lifestyle.
I just that's what I love aboutHavasu City.
You guys have definitely hit it,and that makes me excited.
It's fun to watch as you guysgrow up in this place we're in
right now.
This is insane.
It's gonna be so cool.
SPEAKER_01 (08:39):
Thank you.
Yeah, I I I that means a lotbecause I think a lot of people
that follow us or track us orlisten to our podcast, they
don't know the the culture ofHavasu.
And that's why I think someonelike you that comes out here is
a is a great fit for us becauseyou you already believe in it,
you already see what we'redoing.
So it's kind of a it's a makessense scenario.
The the common conversation, andwe always joke about it, is
(09:03):
people have more toys in theirgarages than the the house of
the value of the house, right?
So you may have a hundred, youknow, a million dollars worth of
toys in your in your garage, butthe house is only worth a
million bucks kind of thing,right?
Yeah, and it's so true.
But it is there is there's a lotof truth to what you were saying
too, is that people just want tohave a better life.
And when the pandemic hit, um,you know, the journey, but when
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the pandemic hit, you know, wereally focused because our kids
weren't able to spend time withtheir friends, you know.
If you were in high school, youknow, a lot of people didn't get
a lot of the kids didn't get achance to go to their their
proms or get or even graduateand walk.
And I if you if you were aparent during those times with
kids, you know, you wanted totry to get them away from that,
knowing, hey, this is a crazytime of life, but you don't want
them to be too negativelyimpacted.
(09:45):
So you start doing more thingsas a family.
Yeah.
And that was a big thing thatwas going on in Havasu.
So the the parents seem to be alittle more hands-on than
normal.
No, obviously they had the time,but the you saw just the kind of
that core group of familiescoming together, and I thought
that was really neat.
So that's who I am, my threekids.
And and I I just it was it wasso important to me.
(10:05):
And then the the relationships Iwas building, listening to their
wealth and how they're trying tomaneuver.
And I'm like, if we instead ofbuilding storage units where you
just rent them out, how aboutyou can buy one at a at a lower
price?
It's fee simple.
You get the ride off, you know,from a real estate side, because
I'm a real estate nerd.
Right.
And but you can start buildingand retaining general
generational wealth, but thenyou can also store your toys.
(10:26):
I'm like, how about you can doboth, right?
How is there a way to kind ofand that's the really kind of in
a nutshell, really, is why wewent down that road.
And then listening to whatpeople are looking for and
watching the migration here andhealthcare and so forth.
We're like, why don't we build,you know, these storage units
with real houses, which isalready here, right?
Three bedroom, two bathrooms,it's still very common here.
But I'm like, why don't we govertical, build it more dense,
(10:46):
and try to do something a littlemore affordable, affordable?
Because we didn't know which waythe world was going, right?
This is prior to elections.
Yeah, it didn't matter becauseeven today, if you look at the
stock market, just thevolatility is insane.
So we knew no matter what, wewant to build something that was
going to be sustainable,affordable.
And as people migrate, if thecost of living is still high,
they can start maneuvering theirlives to at least enjoy the
(11:07):
journey, not just hand over thewealth that they've created.
Because it's true, out here,going back in California, not
everyone's outside on their ontheir backyards.
Here, this time of year,especially with everything that
just happened in you know, backeast with those storms, yeah,
everyone's outside.
I mean, it's what it's 71degrees right now.
SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
And everybody's happy, and everyone's happy.
That's I mean, to me, that's thebiggest thing.
Like we just come here and it'suh we walk in the door, and it's
an instant, you know, 50-pointreduction in tension and stress.
And you're just stoked, you'rejust stoked to be here, and
around other people that arestoked to be here, and that
creates its own, you know.
I mean, I I go side note here,but spent a lot of time on
(11:47):
gratitude over the last year.
And uh it's everything, right?
It's like to be so thankful tohave number one, a place like
this, and then to have peoplearound you that have similar
philosophy, it just feeds onitself, right?
So pretty soon you can't helpbut be happy.
I mean, I so if you run intosomebody who's unhappier,
(12:07):
there's probably, you know,probably give them a hug or
something because something'sgoing on in their life that you
don't know about.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (12:12):
You know, it's it's I'm glad that you brought that
up because you know, I don't geta chance to talk that much about
that personal side on on the onthe podcast.
And I really like that you youtouched on that.
I think when you go throughenough in life, you start
chasing peace.
SPEAKER_00 (12:25):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
And and I think that is probably the best way to put
it.
When you come out here, you havethe what the life, the cost of
living here is a lot cheaper.
You can go to dinner almostevery night if you needed to,
you know.
It's just it's the peace is it'sso different.
You don't have the traffic,right?
You know, it's just a completelydifferent vibe.
But my father retired as an LACounty Sheriff, and he went
through a lot.
I mean, he was in the trenchesin LA.
(12:46):
And, you know, he's been shot,he broke his back.
I mean, all the horror stories,he's one of them, right?
He just, of course, he was in hewas his own worst enemy, he kind
of put himself in the mix, youknow.
But but when you hear hisstories and you hear about when
he retired, he said, you know,there's there's places in the
world that are a whole lotbetter than LA, you know, just
certain things.
And there's other really greatplaces about LA, but you the at
least what he wore.
(13:07):
He worked the one ways inNorwalk, that type of stuff, you
know.
And um, and now I see his peaceand happiness out here.
It's so different becausegrowing up with him while he was
still, you know, uh employed,uh, he was thinking everybody
was the worst enemy in theworld.
So growing up with a in a lawenforcement family was really
hard.
But it took about 15 years oncehe retired and came out here
(13:27):
with enough, you know, exposureto good people and happiness.
He's not the same person as hewas 20 years ago.
He's sleeping better, he's notfearful, have to have a gun
under his bed.
Like he doesn't have to feelthat way anymore.
Yeah, when he's out here, hedoesn't even have the gun on
him.
That is not my father.
My father was the guy who alwayshad a gun somewhere, so stacking
somewhere.
And he's not that way now.
And I think that's a big dealwhen you see a guy who was, you
(13:49):
know, a cop for 35 years andthen he goes to a place where he
can get away, and then hedoesn't have to feel that fear
anymore.
Right.
That's a that's that's whatcaught my attention more than
anything.
Yeah, you know, and and again,the the family, the family
environment, the amount of youngfamilies that have moved out of
California or Vegas or all theseother places that have come here
is impressive.
And I think that's what I wantto do more is continue to try to
(14:11):
build stuff that's for the youthhere.
Yeah, every every city hasdeficiencies, and that's one of
them here.
And I think what we can do as afirm, because we have a niche,
is to continue to build maybestuff where people can go and
enhance their lives and build acommunity and meet new people
and hence the family officesociety, you know, that type of
stuff.
And just continue to try to givea good environment for people,
it's safe.
SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Bring Trader Joe's too.
I think that's it.
SPEAKER_01 (14:33):
If I could get I have been trying to get Trader
Joe's and Sprouts, yeah.
If we can get a Sprouts and aTrader Joe's, I think we're
gonna be able to do it.
Solid, rock solid.
We're killing it.
Okay, so let's have some fun.
Let's talk a little bit aboutyour career.
Okay, which got you on on gotyou on the podcast.
So um now you showed you sharedsome uh parts of your story with
me.
I want the I want the audienceto kind of hear from you.
So let's talk about, you know,kind of give me the spill kind
(14:54):
of what we talked about from thevery beginning, how you got into
it, kind of, you know, dirtbikes, your accident, kind of
getting into, you know, youwanted to go Formula One.
Let's talk about it.
SPEAKER_00 (15:02):
So yeah, so I started off uh racing motocross.
That was my dad had racedmotorcycles, and my brother and
I got into racing motorcycles,and we were fast, quick.
Did you ever go?
I'm sorry to interrupt, did youever go to Star West or do any
of that stuff out there?
SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Oh, yeah.
You did all that, right?
SPEAKER_00 (15:16):
Oh, Star West was probably kind of the later part
for me.
Yeah, it was even likeSaddleback and Indian dudes,
which are tracks that don'texist anymore.
Glenn Helen.
Glenn Helen, so many tracks thatdon't exist anymore.
Um, but started off withmotocross and really uh turned
professional at a very youngage.
I think I was 15 when I turnedpro.
I was a I did crash a lotthough.
And I mean, even in my carstuff, all my crashes have been
over 100 miles away.
Well, you're walking fine.
(15:37):
Yeah, really.
Give me wait, because it's warmhere.
That's probably why I like ithere too.
T-Share.
Uh but um yeah, so motocross wasa big part of my life.
That was through through highschool.
I broke my back and my neck inAnaheim Stadium, Supercross
1986.
I think Rick Johnson, uh, who'sa rock star buddy of mine, won
that year in 250 class.
But uh, we decided we're gonnago race off road cars.
(15:59):
My back wasn't healing, and sowe started racing go-karts.
Long story short, that kind ofmoved into formula cars.
And I had a you know asuccessful uh formula car
career.
I really wanted to race FormulaOne.
At that time, really weren'tAmericans weren't really going
over there.
I had planned on going to racein uh Switzerland at one point.
Raced, I won the night beforethe 500 in India in 1992.
Oh wow uh thinking I was goingto Europe in '93.
(16:22):
Sponsorship stuff fell apart,took a one-off ride with a team
that hadn't been really supersuccessful with their car yet.
93, uh on my way to win therace, had an engine blow.
I got hit head on by anotherformula car, broke my cheeks, my
nose, bruised my brain, broke mywrist, got hammered.
While I was healing, my bestfriend at the time was Mouse
(16:43):
McCoy, who you probably knowfrom Dust and Glory.
Uh, we were living together andhe was oh, it was a great time.
But he he was working his way upin the film business at that
time, you know, very at the verybottom level, but was starting
to get into the stunt stuffhimself.
His dad was a director,producer.
He's like, you got to come trythis out.
So I was still really trying torace full time and expect, you
know, at that point now I'mtrying to transition, like,
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okay, the Indy 500, that's mythat's my goal.
Uh got into the stunt businessuh with the cars.
There was a transition kind ofperiod of where guys were stunt
guys were you know really goodat everything, great athletes,
but not any one particularthing.
And there was that transitionwhere the car movies were
getting more prevalent, yeah,and being able to slide a car
next to a wall was, you know, avery specialized deal.
And that was kind of how I gotin.
SPEAKER_01 (17:26):
Gone in 60 seconds was a thing.
SPEAKER_00 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, fast forward, allof a sudden it's you know, 10
years later, and I really wasstarting to make that's where I
was making my living, was withthe stunt business, and that's
that was the transition.
I still have racedprofessionally for years.
Uh race Pike's Peak, whichprobably for me was like that
was really my ultimate from myracing perspective.
I raced it 20 times, I won itseven.
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I was the only guy that everbroke this the 10-minute mark in
a car and on a motorcycle.
Race for Ducati, which was agreat experience, great brand.
SPEAKER_01 (17:57):
I didn't know that.
Ducati was for Ducati.
SPEAKER_00 (17:59):
I was with Ducati for for several years.
I was had their first win on thehypermotar and first win on
their multi-strada.
Oh my gosh.
So that was pretty great.
Really fun.
Um, a lot of risk.
But that's I had the right, Ithink I had the right skill set
for it because I had the carbackground, the motorcycle
background, and then the stunbusiness.
You know, you're showing up, yougot to be on on point on the
moment.
You got 200 people watching you,you're gonna slide into an
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intersection, got to hit yourmark, or hit a car, or whatever
you're doing.
So, you know, you build thatskill set, it becomes part of
your mindset, and it becomessomewhat muscle memory.
Yep.
Um, so here I am all these yearslater, still doing it.
So it's been great.
I've got to do some great, youknow, some fun movies.
You said uh, you know, I wantedto go to Formula One.
I worked on the Formula Onemovie.
We did the Daytona stuff there.
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Is that the one with uhSylvester Talon?
That was uh that was no, thatwas the first one.
That was driven.
That was a Sylvester indicy carmovie.
That's right.
And it's sort of panned by themotorsports community, but it
was fun to work on.
SPEAKER_01 (18:52):
So yeah, that's so cool.
What other movies have you beenon?
Shows, TVs?
SPEAKER_00 (18:56):
Yeah, so I did the F1 movie that as far as what's
out right now, the Family Planone and Family Plan Two, both
those just came out, or FamilyPlan two just came out.
I've worked on probably fourFast and Furious, Spider-Man,
Italian job.
I was uh I was Matt Damon'sdouble for Ford vs.
Ferrari.
Oh, no way.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, it was Edgar.
I just watched that the otherday on Netflix on Netflix too.
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That was a fun one to work on.
SPEAKER_01 (19:18):
That's really cool.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Yeah.
So my gosh.
So you get a lot of exposure.
SPEAKER_01 (19:21):
And you're still doing it.
Still doing it.
What's uh any plan to retireanytime soon?
SPEAKER_00 (19:25):
I don't know.
It's like I still enjoy it.
So um, and it's funny, the funnything about the stunt business,
you know, you show up.
I had a funny thing happen lastweek where I was doing a
commercial, riding a motorcyclethrough a through a house,
knocking over tables and things.
But I get there and I brought myson Wyatt, who's 17, he's
starting to get into the stuntbusiness.
SPEAKER_01 (19:43):
He's my son's age.
SPEAKER_00 (19:44):
Yeah, he's a great motorcycle rider.
And uh so I'm like, hey, youknow, tag along with me.
I want you it's nice to be onset and see what's going on and
check it out.
And so we we get to set and theproducer sees me, who's a friend
of mine, and walks me over tointroduce me to the directors.
It's a director team, they'reprobably in their early 20s, and
he's like, This is our ourmotorcycle stunt rider, and they
both stick their hand out toshake my son's hand.
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And I no, no, not this guy, theold guy standing next to him,
the gray-haired guy.
They're like, Whoa, I could seethat moment of like, whoa, uh
something doesn't seem righthere.
But you know, you're justdeveloping skills for years and
years and years, and Iunderstand camera and you know,
still have the skill set to ridebikes or crash cars or slide
cars.
SPEAKER_01 (20:24):
So might as well keep going.
Just keep going.
I love it.
You probably get to get to meetsome really cool people too.
SPEAKER_00 (20:29):
Yeah, I meet some great people, and you know, I
think one of the things thatreally attracted me to Paradigm
was you know, I spend most of mylife around risk takers and
creative, right?
And that's a beautiful mix.
So a risk, you know, when peoplethink about risk takers like
you're crazy or this.
(20:49):
No, risk take if you're a crazyrisk taker, your career is
really short.
If you're if you're a crazy risktaker in business, your career
is really short.
So it's it's a somebody thatknows how to really balance risk
and at the same time have acreative part of it.
Like that's the that's the mostperfect uh situation, right?
And so, you know, even when Isaw your guys' stuff, I was
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like, okay, this this would makesense.
Obviously, the creativity isthere big time, and you know,
risk you you you when you firstcame here, yeah, that was a
risk, but then you realize thewhat you guys were doing, and
you're able to keep recreatingthe process and maybe do
something that's different, likewhat we're sitting in right
here.
That's gonna be incredible, andthat's gonna be a great addition
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to the community.
Uh, barn caves, the storage,like on and on and on, right?
So that's most of my days with,and and I enjoy that the most.
I like the creatives.
People are constantly coming upwith new ideas, and you know,
you show up on something likethe commercial I was just
talking about, like, oh, this isa really great concept, and I
get to be a part of it.
That's super cool.
SPEAKER_01 (21:47):
Yeah.
I love it, I appreciate it.
Because the first thing you saidwhen you came in here, you're
like, nobody else is doing thisin Havasu, right?
And I'm like, not that I knowof.
This is definitely one of akind.
And really, that's what you'rethat if because if you think
about what makes you known ifyou're trying to build
awareness, is your brand.
SPEAKER_00 (22:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (22:02):
You know, what do people know you as, right?
And then if they know you as adeveloper, it builds really neat
stuff that people reallyappreciate and like, then you
got a good brand.
You know, then if you're makingpeople money, you really get a
good brand.
You know, and uh and bringingsomething that's a little more
forward thinking to thecommunity that other people just
haven't thought of yet.
And what that did is for Itcreated a niche, but it also did
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it eliminated us having umcompetition.
We don't have any competitionbecause we're not doing what
everyone else is doing.
SPEAKER_00 (22:30):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (22:30):
And I think that's helped us a lot.
And I think that, like younailed it, the creativity,
people are going, you know, theworld's changing so much faster
than it did 10 years ago in ayear.
Right.
You know, if you look at whathappened with the pandemic, even
with our existingadministration, they are cooking
every single day, weekend,they're just cranking.
And I tell everybody if you'rein the capital markets, you have
to watch how fast like the worldis shifting politically,
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everything else, and you have tomove just as fast.
So creativity has to move.
You have to look at the like Ilove the risk component,
calculated risk.
You know, what are people doing?
Where are people migrating?
Data now is at our fingertipsmore than ever before.
You know, can we look at whatpeople are looking for, wanting,
migrating to, healthcare,spending habits, and lifestyle,
and trying to have some sort ofa decent journey, but leave, but
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yet leave something for yourgrandkids.
That's all we really try tocreate.
SPEAKER_00 (23:18):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (23:18):
So it's kind of more ears to the ground than anything
else.
One of the things that I alwayspreached, and I have worked for
other big firms, and I was theonly guy on the streets building
the relationships, bringing allthe you know, intel into the
corporate office.
And I used to tell them, like,guys, what you guys think is
happening compared to what's onthe streets are two different
things.
Um, one of the things thatpeople tell me and they love
about me is I'm on every one ofmy sites every day.
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I'm getting a chance to meeteverybody who works on the site,
I'm listening to the problems,the hurt, the hard uh the
hurdles.
And when I see it live in realtime, I can start planning for
it down the road on the nextproject, right?
How to pivot, how to migratearound it, whatever.
That that gives us that edge.
Then you have, you know, if youif you take just that simple
concept and you look at it froman investment side, that's all
we're trying to do, you know, isbuild something that people
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want, focused on, like uh, forexample, you know, steel
building methods.
And in my opinion, that's goingto be the fastest growing trend
pretty soon because look ateverything that happened with
the fires in LA.
Right.
Insurance costs have gonethrough the roof.
It's been continuing to go upprior to the fire.
So we saw that trend happening.
Now it just kind of uh spikedit.
Now it's a topic ofconversation.
But even when you're underconstruction, that's when you
(24:25):
have the the most risk of fireis up, is you have no water on
site yet.
You have, you know, everything'sgoing vertical.
Yeah.
If we went to steel, thelikelihood of uh fire goes down
significantly.
So you're able to startmitigating risk and dropping
your cost by using differentmethods, and and nobody else is
doing that out here.
So it's not that this is new.
This happened in other placesacross the country.
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I'm just bringing it here.
So it's not that I'm inventingthe wheel, I'm just creating a
brand in this area and justbuilding awareness of what we're
doing.
SPEAKER_00 (24:53):
Yeah.
Well, and it's funny, and we getback real quick to you talking
about being on on site all thetime.
You can feel that energy, youknow.
I felt that one of the projectsI've already looked at.
And uh I'm just thinking to mymy personal experience from a
directing standpoint, thedirectors are the ones that are
run the show, right?
You show up on a movie set,commercials, TV show, whatever.
(25:14):
It's a director's vision.
He and the AD is making ithappen.
You've got all these differentsub you know, contractors in a
way, right?
You've got the electricdepartment, you got camera, you
got all the different guys.
But you can I can walk on theset, maybe somebody I haven't
worked with or somebody haveworked with, you can feel it
when you walk on, like, ah,that's gonna be one of those
days, right?
Or you can feel the ones wherethe guys are like super switched
(25:36):
on and they're excited, stoked,and all they know everybody on
the team, and they're you know,given the camera department
props or given you know thegaffers props, whatever.
It definitely funnels down andit creates a better environment.
And you feel that environment,and then people work harder and
you get end up with a betterproduct.
So it's a training.
It's a literally the same thing.
SPEAKER_01 (25:56):
It's culture, right?
That's a that's another topic ofconversation for businesses if
you're gonna run a well-oiledmachine or not.
And what I've learned is for me,if I focus on culture, I can run
a I can run a better businesswith a leaner overhead.
You have people that are excitedto be there, they typically can
carry more weight.
Yeah, if you have people thathave the ability to take on more
(26:17):
responsibilities, it gives thempurpose to wake up.
And then they have the abilityto elevate within the company,
and then I say, hey, instead ofme hiring this person, do you
want to take on that hat?
I'll give you a little bit morepay.
So now everybody's making moremoney, I have less bodies to
deal with, less you know,emotions to deal with, right?
And then everyone's getting paidwell, and then we're all we're
we're humming because everyone'scommunicating well, right?
Not everybody fits the mold, butwhen you get them, when you get
(26:39):
when you're in sync, it's it'sit's like the best team to play
for in the world, you know.
And there's nothing better whenyou're winning and you're
playing for a good team.
Yeah, you know, so that's what Itry to preach to everybody uh
within the firm is you know, theculture, uh, given Billy uh the
ability for people to elevate.
Um, I built, you know, uh astructure where people get
equity in the company.
So as people come in as they'renew, they get to see that other
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people have equity, they get towork up to that.
So you don't have this abilityto just you know tap at the
there's a ceiling, you get totap.
You have the ability to tie intoall the profit that paradigm is
able to do, right?
To ever to accomplish.
And that's what helps us besuccessful for our clients,
because with that culture, italways starts with the culture.
If I'm gonna try to deliver, youknow, a project where our
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investors are gonna make money,I need a team to get there.
If my team believes in it andthey work hard, knowing like,
hey, if we are successful, I geta piece of it too.
They get pregnant with me andthey're like, I'm all in.
You know, and that's the waythat's all we're trying to do.
So it's like, what does itactually take?
And I think people don't seethat.
It's like, what is it actuallygoing to take?
And if you have a firm thatunderstands if you can build
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everybody up that you bring infrom the bottom, they'll they'll
they can if they really likewant to be there, they'll do
well.
Yeah, last example was uhBrianna, she's my controller.
I say it respectfully.
She was working for an actuallybig firm, she just hated
traveling.
So she applied to work for us,and she was traveling down to
San Diego from Temecula everyday, and she was just being beat
up by by um uh traffic, and shedidn't want to deal with the
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traffic anymore, rightfully so.
So two hours one way, two hoursback, it's a long way.
So she was like, you know what?
I will take a pay cut, not haveto live this like this.
So when we brought her on, wedidn't know really.
I mean, we saw a resume andwe're like, you know what?
She's consistent, she's got somegood predic pedigree.
Let's see what she but you neverreally know who they are, right?
You look at paper and who theyreally are, two different
things.
So we bring her on, and she wasum she was, I mean, strong, but
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what I really I was the one whopaid attention to it.
She was like the first one thereand the last one to leave.
SPEAKER_00 (28:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (28:34):
And she just always worked.
And then I had the the lady thatwas underneath her.
I never even really interviewedher.
I so I never I didn't even seeher.
I had a big, big firm at thetime.
And uh, and then the lady thatuh was kind of in her, so she
was in, she took over herposition.
She uh had a baby, so she was onleave for a little while.
So she came to me and her namewas Joanna and she goes, What do
who should I bring under me tokind of take over some of my
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weight?
And I said, Well, there'sprobably four or five people you
can spread it out to.
And then Brianna just kind ofkept showing up and kept doing
it.
I said, You know, I think Briecan do it all.
And she's like, I'll give her,I'll I'll give her, I'll let her
try.
So we gave it to Brie, and Briejust crushed it.
And I'm like, I can't now I havetwo of them, I'm excited.
So now Brie's the vice presidentof the company, she's our
controller, but she literallystarted at the bottom, you know.
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And so it's that's a that's agreat feeling for people as we
bring them on that doesn'tmatter where you stand, if you
work hard, you have someknowledge, and you you want to
you you believe in it and you'regonna show up, right?
Let's go, you know.
But you also know have to thisis a war, too.
You know, you got there's a lotof stress.
This is great, but it was a lotof stress to get here.
I think I had like 50 gray hairmore than oh, yeah, yesterday
(29:40):
than I did today, kind of thing,you know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:41):
So you don't have to stop writing checks for a while,
you know, it's part of the deal.
You know, so you gotta make themworthwhile.
SPEAKER_01 (29:47):
But you know, when we when you deliver this stuff
and you do it over and overagain, it just becomes a little
more you build the scales, youbuild the track record, you
build kind of the abilityinternally to just get it done.
So you just don't, it's notemotional anymore.
It's just getting it done andhitting our marks and moving on.
And so, you know, we we feelvery blessed that we've been
able to accomplish what we,especially in the small town,
because that's got its ownhurdles in itself, yeah.
(30:08):
You know, so to be able todeliver this out here and all
the other things that go alongwith it, as far as just
economically and you know,materials and just all the stuff
that you know you have to kindof deal with.
We did okay.
Yeah, and I really appreciateyou seeing it in us.
No, no, for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (30:21):
Yeah, it's great.
Great, great to see.
SPEAKER_01 (30:23):
So we we should talk about Joe a little bit because
Joe over there, look at him.
What's up, Joe?
Hey, what's up, Joe?
How you doing, buddy?
He was a stunt man, so he was onuh what were it, Fear Factor.
He was on Fear Factor, he had toflip a car.
He made fit, he actually won.
He got fifty thousand dollars.
Yeah, that's cool because heslid the car as far as it could
possibly go, right?
That's how he won.
(30:44):
Yeah, nice.
Congrats.
His back's still messed up.
I took him golfing the otherday.
Well, how are you?
33?
I tell everybody he's 33, he'sgot a back brace on it, he'd
even play, he didn't even makeit through 18 holes.
I'm like, dude, is that from theis that from the the from your
stunts that you drive?
Did you see this stunt driverright here?
I don't know.
SPEAKER_00 (30:59):
He's not doing that.
I played Havasu last week.
I should say I drove the golfcart and my wife played.
So I get it.
I'm pretty beating it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:06):
It's usually the other way around.
SPEAKER_00 (31:07):
Usually you're playing the bike cart.
That's great.
I just yeah, hand her a drinkand drive the cart.
How cool.
Right on.
SPEAKER_01 (31:13):
Yeah, it's it's uh that's the one thing I want to
see out here is uh better golfcourses.
Yeah, it's coming.
Yeah, doesn't matter if if it'sa win.
Um the uh the refuge justcleaned up too.
SPEAKER_00 (31:22):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's great.
SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
Yeah, that iron wolf and then that little, very cool.
It's like a little top golf theycreated over there.
SPEAKER_00 (31:28):
Yeah, it's really pretty neat.
We actually looked at housesthere for a little bit
ourselves, trying to figure outwhat our next next spot is.
SPEAKER_01 (31:35):
But we're trying to.
I have a client that came to usto want to build.
She's got she wants us to builda spec on one of her lots in
there.
Yeah.
And uh, she's just kind ofgetting tired.
She doesn't want to deal withit, but she's got a great
background in development.
And she comes to me and goes,Hey, you want to build over
here?
I was like, I'll build it foryou.
Yeah.
But you know, let's let's see ifsee what we can do.
So we're kind of going throughthe design right now.
Yeah, that's a really good area.
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I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (31:55):
I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (31:56):
A lot of family in there.
Um, when I say family, likelittle family.
I have my two uncles that livein there now.
Um, Ray retired as well, lawenforcement from LA.
Came out here to spend some timewith you know the old man.
So they're in there and they'realways like, Well, Ryan needs to
build in there.
Let's go see if we can get it inthere.
Yeah, it's good.
It's really pretty cool.
SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
Got an ammo shop up the street.
You're pretty well covered.
Everything.
SPEAKER_01 (32:14):
And you know, it's if if you've driven, if you've
driven on uh London Bridge Roadlately, they there's a guy.
Did you see that big man cavethat guy built across from
Golfview?
It's another oh yeah, yeah,yeah.
Yeah, pretty neat.
Yeah, yeah.
I forget what he calls it.
It's PH something.
I forget what he calls it.
Do you guys remember what it wascalled?
I don't I forgot what he calledit.
Playhouse?
I think he called it a play,something like that, but it was
pretty neat.
He's got these uh hectagonlights in there, and you know, a
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lot of guys coming out herebuilding man caves.
Yeah, this is the man cavemecca.
SPEAKER_00 (32:39):
It's gotta be the capital of the world for that,
actually.
You know, it's so much going on.
I mean, it's so much fun forwe'll come across on the boat.
You know, I think there's likethe Volkswagen uh bus show that
was just a couple weeks ago, andthere's always something
happening, which is really cool.
If you're into cars ormotorcycles or anything, you
know, boats.
SPEAKER_01 (32:56):
They had the Raptor Fest here with a month ago.
SPEAKER_00 (32:58):
Yeah, kind of a place to be, right?
It's pretty great.
SPEAKER_01 (33:00):
To have all the raptors in the country come here
and do off-roading, that'spretty cool.
Yeah, that's very cool.
Of the um Desert Storm, yeah,that was a big deal.
SPEAKER_00 (33:08):
Last year, did you were you did was it last year
with the boat flip?
We were we left the day, I thinkthe day that that happened, we
had been on the water that weekand then uh was going somewhere
for a job or something, and weleft and started getting the
videos about two hours after wewere on the road.
I was like, oh I mean, not thatI hate to see people crash, but
if we are gonna crash anyways, Iwould like to have been there.
SPEAKER_01 (33:30):
Well, if anybody knows it's you, but it's it's
pretty crazy.
He flipped at 209, so not onlydid he win this fastest speed,
but you know, at 209 he came upout of the water and it's kind
of like did you see it kind ofgrabbed additional air and just
kind of flipped?
SPEAKER_00 (33:42):
It was a little bit like a wing, you know.
I mean, at a certain point, it Ithink it saved him as it was
coming down, got all that airairflow pressed against it and
calmed it down.
SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
I think one one guy broke his rib, another guy broke
his, I could be wrong, but Ithink another guy broke his his
ankle, but that was it.
So, I mean, if that's all yougot after that, that's I think
you're pretty safe.
A lot of a lot of dynamics goingon with that stuff.
SPEAKER_00 (34:01):
I was actually talking with one of my stunt
driver friends, Reese Millen,who's who's a uh off-road racer
as well.
And we were talking about trophytrucks and talking about
horsepower, and someone wasasking, like, oh, what is it,
like a thousand horse, two, youknow, 1500 horsepower?
He's like, No, we're like atlike 950.
So honestly, like you get abovea thousand and you're just
pushing the airflow.
You're you know, those they'rebig trucks, so you're pushing
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against the the air so hard thatyou just end up starting to get
wheel spin, which is crazy.
Think about 150 miles an hour,now you're getting wheel spin
because you know, you'reliterally pushing against a wall
of air in these big trucks.
SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
Those that dynamic, just the the calculus, the
engineering behind that stuff isjust unbelievable.
There was a uh you probably knowthem.
I think it was undergroundracing.
I think one of the guys he had ahe had a just recently, a couple
weeks ago, uh it was theLamborghini, uh, it was a
hurricane that was the fastestin the world.
I think it did 260.
And there's another guy who justdid 265, same setup, uh, but it
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was an Audi R8.
And there's all kinds of youknow stuff going on.
But 265 miles an hour.
SPEAKER_00 (35:03):
It's pretty fast.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah, it's things happen realquick.
SPEAKER_01 (35:06):
Yep.
So, Greg, is there anything elseyou want to add?
SPEAKER_00 (35:09):
No, I mean, I think uh again, it's you know, I'm so
happy to see what's going onhere.
Havisu City is an amazing place,great place to bring family.
Yeah, you know, it's aboutfamily for me.
Like, and I think maybe, youknow, you have a the population
here has kind of they've madeit, you know, they're what I
think the average age is 55 or57.
So they're sort of, you know,obviously you have above and
(35:31):
below that, right?
SPEAKER_01 (35:32):
So it was higher before.
It's coming down a little bit.
SPEAKER_00 (35:34):
Yeah, well, I I can see that that's happening, but I
think what's happened is you'rebringing people out here that
are what you were talking aboutearlier, like kind of that
peace, peaceful spot, right?
That's it's the point whereyou're like, okay, I've I've had
my successes, I've done thegreat things I wanted to do or
whatever, and now I want to justspend time with my family and
enjoy enjoy my toys.
(35:55):
And uh that's to me, that's Ilove I'm happiest when I'm here
as well, like we talked aboutthat earlier.
SPEAKER_01 (36:00):
So you know, one of the I'd say probably the most
popular part of I'd say the mostpopular conversation that I
have.
Once I really start building myrelationship with my clients,
it's just you know how volatilethe market and the world really
seems to be right now.
Yeah.
And you know, you get to acertain point where you're like,
look, I still have some fight inme, but I don't know how much I
want to continue to try tofight, you know, and and so
(36:22):
people are just trying tomigrate to areas that they
either grew up and went to orthey see other people that are,
you know, kind of like-minded,and and you know, the the facts
are you got more healthcare kindof move in this direction,
again, cost of living, and youjust kind of start downsizing in
a way where you just don't haveto deal with the stress.
You can kind of disconnect fromwatching the news so often, you
know, you don't have to watch itevery day to survive almost, you
(36:43):
know.
It's just different.
SPEAKER_00 (36:44):
Ultra critical.
SPEAKER_01 (36:45):
And I think for us, we keep watching it every day.
So, my my rule of thumb for myteam is they have to watch the
uh basically the business newsevery single day.
I want them to know exactlywhat's happening with stocks and
what have you, because peopleare gonna, you know, they're
maneuvering money around and wewant to be on the forefront.
We need to understand what'shappening, you know.
Um, and and and of course, whenyou're in the financial market,
(37:07):
every asset class has to beconsidered and people are
diversifying.
But what I'm one of the thingsthat I'm realizing is when I
when I meet with people and theycome out and do the site visits,
I'll have other, you know,former builders and developers.
And they're like, you're rightin the heart of your career.
You have the young pack.
I believe in you, I like whatyou're doing, and you're on the
right direction.
You have the team.
I can invest with you because Iknow the risks.
(37:27):
I've been there.
And I also know that, you know,what you guys are doing because
I believe in the community, Ithink you're on the right track.
So I get a lot of people thatare part of my um, I would say a
part of the company haveinvested at some point, or even,
you know, other companies I workwith just on third party side
that have just that are justreally being a big, I would say
I have a big advisory board.
(37:47):
Yeah, there's nothing betterthan that.
So that's the hence the wholeyou know, family office society
network.
The amount of people that I cancall for help or what have you,
it's it's impressive.
And these are people that havemoney when they're gonna they're
gonna answer the phone.
Ryan's calling, what can I dofor you?
You know, yeah.
Um, so it's really kind of neatbecause I can sleep at night
knowing I have resources.
And sometimes that's you know,not necessarily a conversation
that I bring up, but I do have alot of resources to kind of help
(38:10):
if things are kind of weird, youknow.
Um, or I'm trying to look formaterial or whatever the case
may be.
So we've we've been able to, wepulled those cards, and uh, and
I I think that's what you seewith the people that are
investing in and want to be apart of this community.
It's again, it's it's just uh abunch of people that all see
life the same way, right?
You know, and it's it's I feelvery blessed because you know,
Tony Robbins said it best themost you know, where the real
(38:32):
wealth is within yourrelationships, right?
Literally friendships, personalrelationships.
You can't take all this withyou, you know.
What how deep are your realrelationships?
You know, and it's really prettyneat.
SPEAKER_00 (38:41):
So yeah, that's a hundred percent.
I believe in that.
That's just so true.
It's so true.
Friends, family, you know, Ihave I have I have friends that
are family.
SPEAKER_01 (38:49):
Yeah, you know, it's just the way it goes.
You have your family, and thenyou have your friends that are
family, you know, and you kindof get that you get that vibe
here from side by sides, thegroups out here, people who do
all the side-by-side stuff, orjet ski guys, or boater guys,
you know.
I mean, they literally havelike, you know, Eliminator has
the regatta, you know, theEliminator guys get together.
You know, it's just such a coolvibe out here.
I love it, man.
SPEAKER_00 (39:09):
But that's one of the great things about Havasu, I
think, is yeah, you have allthese subgroups, right?
You got the guys that are juststrictly side by sides, you got
the hot rodder dudes, you gotthe moto guys, you got, like you
say, the jet skiers, thesit-down guys.
All you know, you can go down,like go by the bridge, and
they've got the jet ski guys outthere practicing for the
nationals or whatever.
(39:30):
A jet ski national champion canwalk into a eliminator club and
they're totally connected,right?
Oh, totally, yeah.
Because it's the same mentality,like yeah, I love this, but
you're stoked to be with thosesame, because it's the same
personality type, right?
I think uh you know, youdefinitely have that.
You are that person as well.
When that and it translates towhat what what I'm seeing.
(39:50):
So I love it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:51):
Yeah, it was um it was I was talking to um so
Jeremy, one of the owners ofEliminator, him and I were
talking a while ago, and he wasjust saying that there's so many
people that have bought boatsthroughout the years that he
doesn't remember names.
He remembers the he remembersthem by the name of their boat.
SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
So I'm like, what's their boat?
What kind of boat did they have?
How do you know this person?
Well, I don't what kind of boatdo they have, or what kind of
car, you know, what's the nameof their boat?
Oh, yeah, that guy, you know,it's actually pretty fun.
SPEAKER_00 (40:14):
So I was here.
I mean, I will say, you know, Isaid I was been coming here
since 69, something like that.
I can remember like when you hadan 18-foot boat, you were a
baller.
Yeah, right.
And now it's like, come on.
You have an 18-foot boat, you'resinking because the guy in the
40-foot boat just went by withfive motors.
It's so true.
205, you know.
So it's got to be on your toes,that's for sure.
SPEAKER_01 (40:34):
It's crazy when you see a 16,000-pound center
console that's 40 foot long,still doing 100 miles an hour.
With 10 people on there, youknow, you're like, oh my
goodness, this thing's it's justthat's opposite.
That's why people want to be outhere because there's no uh speed
limit, too.
Right.
You know, so it's kind of cool.
SPEAKER_00 (40:48):
I like that.
SPEAKER_01 (40:48):
I'm a big fan of no speed limit.
SPEAKER_00 (40:50):
Yeah, right.
Well, Greg, thank you for beingon here, buddy.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, it's great getting to hangout.
SPEAKER_01 (40:55):
I love bringing uh kind of different walks of life
onto the platform.
We have a really big following,and and uh people I get I get
comments on this type of stuff.
So I I wanted everyone to seekind of the the type of people
that come across our desk.
You know, it's really neat.
Glad to be a part of it.
It's so much fun.
Yeah.
Thanks for being here, buddy.
I really appreciate it.
Anytime.
Talk soon.
All right, sounds good.
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