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October 6, 2025 25 mins

We are often sold the idea that more goals, more milestones and more approval will make us happy. What if they are exactly what keeps you stressed and stuck? In this episode I unpack why “object-referral” success never satisfies and how Self-referral flips the game.

You will hear why a “Reverse Bucket List” helps with non-attachment, and how to rethink KPIs, how to swap Key Performance Indicators for Key Personal Indicators that actually inspire you. We look at pragyaparadh – the mistaken intellect – and how Vedic Meditation normalises Self-referral so you can enjoy happiness for no reason. 

00:00 I Can't Get No Satisfaction

02:07 Circumstantial Happiness

03:44 What Will They Think?

04:56 Never, Never Give Up

05:45 Pragyaparadh - The Mistaken Intellect

07:21 Object-referral Status and Self-referral Status

09:02 Enough...

11:34 Self-referral = Self-sufficiency

13:01 The Real KPIs - Key Personal Indicators

14:33 Vairagya - Non-attachment Without Apathy

17:26 Wanting What You Get

20:25 Vedic Meditation - Normalising Self-Referral

22:04 Self-referral in Action

23:39 Take the Road Less Travelled

Additional Resources:
If you like to watch, you can also see this episode on YouTube here: https://youtu.be/YlPHRkNbFDI

Here’s the full video where Professor Arthur Brooks discusses his Reverse Bucket List with Tim Ferriss: https://youtu.be/vGBVf1wwAj0?si=6zju6MhhVRs4zfm7

The Vedic Worldview Podcast. Thom Knoles episode on vairagya: https://thomknoles.com/podcast/vairagya-spontaneous-non-attachment/

You can find me here:

BrettJarman.com (Vedic Meditation and Mentoring enquries): https://brettjarman.com

The Meditation People (Vedic Meditation courses): https://themeditationpeople.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/brettjarman/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@brett.jarman

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brettjarman/

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