From Finance To Fatherhood: Building A Life By Design - CEO, Brett Gilliland

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What if the simplest way to lead your family and your career was to write it down and keep showing up? That’s the heartbeat of our conversation with Brett Gilliland—CEO of Visionary Wealth Advisors, and dad who opens up about ambition, anxiety, and the everyday habits that actually move life forward.

We get tactical fast. Brett’s Six Fs—faith, family, fitness, firm, fun, finances—become a living system with 90-day goals and daily touchpoints. He walks us through how he tracks date nights, one-on-one time with each son, devotionals, fitness targets, and focused business moves. Add in weekly strategic think time, two journals (one to execute, one to dream), and a 10-page-a-day reading habit, and you have a practical blueprint for growth that fits real schedules.

The story behind his firm hits hard. At the height of a decorated career, Brett was battling panic attacks and a nagging sense that something was off. He chose purpose over comfort, left a legacy company, and launched Visionary Wealth Advisors—while his wife was eight months pregnant and both families faced health scares. He shares how he named his anxiety “the roommate,” built better self-talk, and found relief by aligning work with values. We also dig into faith practices like the “Two Chairs” conversation with God, plus a new members-only space and media group designed to create meaningful experiences for leaders.

Parenting stays front and center. Brett admits patience is a work-in-progress, uses clear language to call his limit, steps away before he snaps, and repairs quickly. We swap stories about ugly-cry college drop-offs, coaching kids’ teams, and why presence beats perfection. Along the way we spotlight Swing for Hope, the nonprofit he and his wife founded to support families fighting cancer, and we anchor the night with three simple words his kids hear every day: dream big, believe big, give big.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:03):
Hi, I'm Rex, and I'm Ryder.

SPEAKER_04 (00:05):
And this is my dad's job.
Hey everybody, it's KCJ Cox withthe Quarterback DadCast.
Welcome to Season 6.
And I cannot be more excited tohave you join me for another
year of fantastic episodes ofconversations with unscripted
and raw and authenticconversations with dads.

(00:26):
If you're new to this podcast,it's simple.
It's a podcast where weinterview dads, we learn about
how they were arrays, we learnabout the life lessons that were
important to them, we learnabout the values that are
important to them, and really welearn about how we can work hard
to become a better quarterbackor leader of our home.
So let's sit back, relax, andlisten to today's episode of
Quarterback Podcast.
Everybody is host of thepodcast.

(00:49):
This episode was actually posteda while many months ago, and I
just realized it was everyoneout.
And I just realized that sowe're gonna get two episodes
this weekend six episodes.
So I waited to step back, relax,and listen to this episode with
one role for I deal with.

(01:28):
His name, he only comes to usfrom the fantastic Nick
Hutchinson, who's gonna be afuture guest on the podcast from
BookThinker.
So thank you, Nick, for makingtoday's um connection happen.
But his name is Brett Gilliland.
Um he's the CEO and founder ofVisionary Wealth Advisors.
Um I I've actually ended updoing some work in the wealth
management space, and when I methim, when I met Brett, it was

(01:48):
apparent why he's uh been asuccessful founder-led and uh in
in that space because of how hejust interacts, treats people,
and you're gonna hear it in hisvoice here in a second.
He also is the host of theCircuit of Success podcast,
where I had uh the luxury ofbeing a guest.
Great, great podcast because wecheck it out.
Some really, really fantasticpeople.
Um, he might be Billy thePanther.

(02:09):
I'm not sure if that's true, butwe're gonna find out.
But more importantly, he's adad.
And we're gonna learn aboutBrett on how, on specifically
how he was raised, how he'sworking hard to become that
ultimate quarterback or leaderof his home.
So without further ado, Mr.
Gilan, welcome to thequarterback deck cast.

SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
Hey man, thanks for having me.
It's awesome to uh get the rolesreversed here.
So looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_04 (02:29):
Are you Billy the Panther?

SPEAKER_01 (02:31):
I am not Billy the Panther, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04 (02:34):
Um, that's the only that's the only research I do
before episodes.
I love researching mascots forpeople to college.

SPEAKER_01 (02:41):
I'm not our claim to fame, though, for EIU, you being
a football player, is MikeShanahan coached Sean Payton at
Eastern Illinois University, theEastern Illinois University.
Sean Payton broke all therecords.
Tony Romo comes around, he wasthere when I was there.
We get to play a lot ofbasketball together.
So Tony broke all of SeanPayton's records, and then Jimmy
Garoppolo comes along, breaksall of Tony Romo's records.

(03:04):
So I don't know, man.
Jim Dance was just talking aboutit the other about two Sundays
ago.
Pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 (03:10):
The the elite quarterback fraternity out of
the Eastern Illinois University.
Um my mighty central WashingtonWildcats.
I I think I actually dropped theword elite.
I think I screwed that upbecause but there was we had
some guys too, like John Kittenthat played in the league, kind
of Mike Riley who played in theCFL for years.
Um there's a bunch ofquarterbacks that made it.

(03:30):
Um I decided to choose thebusiness path because I just
didn't want to play Pro Ball.
Heavy sarcasm.
I wish I would have got played.
Um well, cool.
Well, we always start out eachepisode with gratitude.
Um, Brett, so tell me, what areyou most grateful for as a dad
today?

SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
Oh, I'm uh grateful just for my family, man.
It's um yeah, I got four boys.
I got one that just went tocollege and in the spring, uh,
I'm sorry, in the fall.
So he is uh back.
You know, he's on a he was on a39-day break for Christmas and
uh just went back, so he's fourdays into school and uh had some
good conversations with himalready.

(04:08):
So thankful for that.
Thankful for my uh my junior, myuh freshman in high school, my
fifth grader.
We just got done coachingbasketball for him.
Uh so grateful for that, man,and grateful for my my wife, uh,
who is about 30 feet that way.
Uh, we're working on a anothernew business that we're building
together, and and and it's beena lot of fun.
So just grateful for my family,and then great, grateful for the

(04:28):
upbringing I had with my mom anddad.
They uh set a good tone for thatand uh showed me what family was
about and uh able to do thatwith my family.

SPEAKER_04 (04:36):
Love it, man.
I'm I'm already let the curiousalarms are going off, but I got
to get to my gratitude, and I'mgonna ask you a question about
about your oldest.
Um so what I'm most grateful forum today, it's top of mind
because someone asked me itearlier, and it just I want to
really want to kind of likeresit in it for me, is um I have
a I have a freshman college too,and just the fact I mean I've we

(04:56):
have a I'm on Snapchat with himnow.
I think I've shared this withpeople before.
We have like a 160-something daySnapstreak where it's it's not
like and I thought I'd never beon Snapchat.
And for people who've heard thisstory, apologize and tell it
again.
But like it, it's just like youI either can let my ego get in
the way and like, I'm not doingthat, or if it meets my son

(05:16):
where he's at and that's how hewants the message, and if it
helps me create a betterconnection, then he'll he's but
he's picking up the phone tocall me more now.
Um, and I'm just grateful thatlike my relationship with him
and my wife's the same way withhim.
It's not like, ah, geez, my momand dad are calling me.
What they're such tools.
It's like, no, we're like, it'slike almost a buddy and like a

(05:37):
hey, what do you he's likeasking us for advice, or hey,
when you had freshman incollege, what was this like?
And like I'm like all the hardwork that we went through from
zero to 18.
I feel like it's like paying offand it makes me want to like
double down to just staypresent, keep listening.
How can we support you?
Um, you're gonna have to do thework, but like we're here to
support you.
So I'm just grateful for likethe phase of life I'm at and the

(05:58):
relationships we're developingspecifically with my son, which
is the best.

SPEAKER_01 (06:02):
That's cool, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (06:04):
So I didn't I don't know if I remember us talking
about that when I was on yourshow, but like, so you you you
went through we went through thesame stuff together.
Yeah.
I was a disaster.

SPEAKER_01 (06:14):
The allergies were really, really acting up the day
we dropped him off.
The allergies, the guy cuttingup all the onions in the corner.
Yeah, yeah.
Lots of onions were being cut.
My wife kept us together.
Dude, I did like I was likefighting the ugly cry.
Like I barely was able to saygoodbye to him.
It was bad.

SPEAKER_04 (06:30):
I couldn't, I couldn't say goodbye to his
girlfriend.
I was like, yeah, she said so.
I'm like, I couldn't say thename.

SPEAKER_03 (06:37):
I'm like, I'm like, yeah, lost my voice.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (06:41):
We had we drove separate because you know you
take so much stuff.
So my wife's in the car with uhtwo of our boys.
I'm in my car with my17-year-old, and he's crying.
I'm crying, and I said, I'msorry, I I can't talk.
I said, My allergies are killingme.
And he goes, he goes, Yeah, andthe guy cutting the onions back
there.
And so we got to laugh, and thenit kind of helped a little bit.

(07:03):
But man, I I I I've only becomea crier in the last probably few
years.
I wasn't a crier, and uh nowI've I've I get like sad at
things uh that I don't normallyget sad at.

SPEAKER_04 (07:13):
Yeah, welcome aboard, dude.
I got plenty of room in thisbandwagon for you.
I mean, punky Brewster, tearingup, golden girls, tearing up.
Yeah.
And a good ATT commercial,tearing up.

SPEAKER_01 (07:23):
I know.
It's terrible.
Hey, great.
I like it.
I like this Brett Moore.

SPEAKER_04 (07:27):
I mean, it's it kind of leads what you talked about.
We talked about together on yourshow about being vulnerable.
And um, my kids sometimes makefun of me about it, but I could
get two part, I could get twoshits.

SPEAKER_03 (07:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (07:37):
Um, because I'd rather them see a dad with raw
emotion and who's not afraid toput his emotion on the sleeve
and versus bottling it all upand all of a sudden now I'm
explode one day, good or bad.

SPEAKER_01 (07:47):
So um Yeah, he went back on Sunday and uh it was the
same thing, man.
Having him home for 39 or 40days is like, okay, now we're
back, right?
We're going to family dinners,we're going to games together,
you know, and then he left.
And I was again, I fought thefreaking ugly cry, and he kind
of looked at me and I think heliked it.
Like that, okay, dad really doescare that much as he says, if he

(08:08):
can't talk, then this is good.
I'm like, bye, see it.

SPEAKER_04 (08:11):
And I just walked in the other room.
It's the worst, man.
I yeah, I'd take mine to theairport, and my wife didn't go
because she was home with doingsomething.
I'm like, just that ugly cry onthe way home by myself.
It was like the crying game.

SPEAKER_01 (08:23):
How far is he from you?

SPEAKER_04 (08:24):
Um, about a eight-hour drive.
So an hour flight.

SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
Yeah.
So the only thing that kept megoing is so we're going, he's at
Mizzou, and um we got a littleSEC basketball this weekend,
Mizzou versus Ole Miss.
And so we're actually going,some of our best friends, uh,
their daughter goes to Ole Miss.
So they have five kids.
They're three, I think three orfour of their kids are going,
and all four kids will be there,and we're gonna spend two nights

(08:50):
at Mizzo this weekend and get tosee the game.
So it's like, yeah, I knowyou're gonna be gone, but hey,
we'll be back in you know fouror five days.

SPEAKER_04 (08:57):
But wow, do you think the ugly cry is coming out
again?

SPEAKER_01 (09:00):
No.
I hope.
Well, I don't know.
We'll see, but I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04 (09:04):
I'll let you know.
I'm not judging.
I encourage it.
Let's keep it rolling, bro.
Um, okay.
Well, tell me a little bit aboutum each.
We got we learned about your sonin college, but tell me a little
bit about the the other boys andthen make sure how you and your
wife met.

SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
Yeah, so the other boys are a junior in in high
school.
Uh his team, the AltolfCrusaders soccer team, they just
won the state championship forIllinois.
Let's go.
Stinking cool.
That's fantastic.
It was a bittersweet moment uhto keep bringing my oldest back
up.
He came back home from collegeto go up to Chicago for it
because his sophomore and junioryear, they got second place.

(09:40):
They got beat in the in thefinals.
Uh, they got second in statetwice.
Um, and then his brother, theywon it.
And so his brother, no matterwhat the argument is, like,
that's cool, I'm a state champ,you know, and uh that ends it.
So he's that.
My uh third son is a freshman inhigh school.
I played, I played uh golf incollege.
He's my first golfer for uh forthe family, and so he plays golf

(10:02):
for the high school, and then myyoungest is still in that age
where he's playing all sorts ofsports.
You know, he's actually atvolleyball practice right now.
This will be his second timeever playing volleyball, so
we'll see how that goes.
And uh, but he's very activesoccer, baseball, basketball,
volleyball.
Uh, they all dabble in golf, soit's awesome.
Um how did I meet my wife?
Well, I met my wife on springbreak 1998, uh was in Panama

(10:28):
City Beach, Florida, at HarpoonHarry's, just left, you know,
Club of Vila, Spinnaker's.
I'm at uh Harpoon Harry's.
I see this uh, you know, collegegirl on the dance floor, and I
said, Well, she's attractive.
And so I walked up andintroduced myself, and we
happened to go to the sameuniversity.
And now here we are, married 23years later, dated for a couple

(10:50):
years, four kids.
We're we're uh we're at it,we're still at it.

SPEAKER_04 (10:53):
So good.
Harpoon Harry's.
That just sounds like a made-upbar, but it's it's a real bar.

SPEAKER_01 (10:58):
It's great.
We took our kids there when wewere married.
I think it was around our 20,21st anniversary.
We happened to be within kind of30 minutes from away from it,
and we drove over there.
Looked a little different.
The dance floor had tables onit, and we were, you know, ate
lunch where where we met as afamily, and they thought that
was pretty cool.
And mom had mom had more clotheson this time.
Yes.
And uh yes, we'll we'll leave itat it.

(11:20):
Dad was uh doing, I was, youknow, being appropriate.
Uh yeah.
I'm sure you were.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (11:25):
Of course, you were an upstanding citizen, doing
nothing but the best, just likeI was at that time of life.
Um, all right.
Um, I always like nowtransitioning to to to to to our
guests when they were a kid.
And you obviously highlightedyour parents' gratitude in the
beginning, which I I love.
And but take me back to what waslife like growing up for you and

(11:46):
and talk about the impact yourparents had on you and maybe
some of the values that weremost important.

SPEAKER_01 (11:51):
Yeah, we moved um, not to go, I won't go all the
way back and bore your listenerswith going back to kindergarten,
but we moved away from um youknow, grandma and grandpa's
aunts and uncles, cousins when Iwas in kindergarten.
Um, and I'm an only child, sogrew up three or four hours away
from you know family.
And so my friends quickly at ayoung age, my friends are feel

(12:11):
like family.
Obviously, I'm still close withmy cousins and talk to you know
a few of them still regularly.
And but we're scattered all overthe country, you know, so I
don't get to see my side of thefamily uh as often um as I would
like.
But what I found is my friendshave become my family and my
brothers and being annoyedchild.
And so very, very good friendswith lots of people and just
love people, love stayingconnected.

(12:32):
And uh, but my parents, um, Ialways tell this story is that
when I was growing up, one, theynever missed a game, right?
No matter what sport I was at,they were there, they were
involved.
My dad never chose work or golfleague or anything like that
over uh over my games.
And so it's a little easier withone than it is with four to miss
stuff.
I miss stuff you know a lotbecause it's I'm going to

(12:52):
another kid's event when mywife's going that direction for
another event, you know.
But they taught me that be therefor your family, be there for
your kids.
Um, don't choose work, don'tchoose you know, your golf over
being there.
And so I think that's a bigdeal.
They also um really would kindof I would say add fertilizer
and water to my brain to help methink and dream and and believe

(13:13):
my dreams because when I wouldcome in the room, you know, we
didn't have phones and stuffback then, right?
So I would get bored, you know,you're at home, you got nobody
to play with, and uh I'd bebored and they'd say, Well, sit
down.
My mom would go get a TV tray,you know, the old TV trays you'd
sit in front of you, like inyour chair, and my dad would
grab paper and a pen orwhatever, and they'd say, Draw
your dream house.
And I'm, you know, 11 years old,12 years old, and I'm drawing

(13:35):
floor plans of what my dreamhome was going to be.
And it would have a gymnasiumwith like my initials at half
court.
It would have, you know,whatever cool stuff you want to
do as an 11, 12, 13-year-oldkid.
I was doing that stuff, and thenI would start to think, like,
man, I really want to have thatone day.
And um, and I don't know.
And I don't know if they meantto do that or if that was just

(13:56):
like, hey, be quiet, kid, and gogo draw your dream house because
that would buy them some time.
But but it worked, right?
And I think those are the thingsthat now I still go to a piece
of paper and I carry my journalseverywhere I go and and I dream
and I draw out not my floorplans anymore, but I've drawn
out my floor plans, if you will,for my dreams and the things
that I want to do.
What?

SPEAKER_04 (14:15):
Um are mom and dad still with us?

SPEAKER_01 (14:18):
Yes.
Yeah.
Dad just turned 80 on January1st, so uh 80-year-old dad and
76-year-old mom.
And uh yeah, just get to spend alot of time with him over the
holidays and celebrate Christmasand uh his birthday.

SPEAKER_04 (14:30):
That's awesome.
My uh my pops would have been 83on January 9th.
He passed away in 2021.
Um and uh uh so we sh our dadswe share that that uh and I
think I told you when I was onyour show, like same thing.
My dad didn't miss my mom reallygood too, but my dad definitely
did not miss ever anything.
Um my mom really did too, butlike at the end, like maybe my

(14:53):
senior in college, she had tomiss a few here and things, but
she listened to on the radio orwhatever.
But yeah, um, those are thingsyou don't you don't you don't
forget.
No, heck no.

SPEAKER_01 (15:01):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (15:02):
You know, and I know that I try to give grace, like
we're doing our best as parents.
There's no manual when you leavethe hospital.
Um, everybody's doing theirbest.
And um, like I I'm we'rerecording in January right now.
This episode will come out uhmaybe in a month or so, and I
have to go to Atlanta next week.
And uh and I I'm gonna miss onebasketball game.
But I get to watch it on theFacebook live stream, but I feel

(15:25):
like my daughter's like, yeah,it's not that big deal.
I said, Yeah, it is a big deal,and I'm really sorry.
And uh she's like, but you go toeverything.
I'm like, I know, I don't wantto miss anything because the
time of me getting to watch youplay hoop is it those days are
going, you know, few and farbetween.
So I just want to embraceeverything, everyone you got.

SPEAKER_01 (15:44):
So I would tell not that you didn't ask this
question, but I'll give thisunsolicited advice about that
for those parents that are inthe thick of it with you know
nonstop practices and games, andyou're like, holy crap, I can't
wait for this to be done.
Is I think when my oldest wentto college and I coached him all
grown up through baseball,coached his basketball team, and
it just it did.
It just went like that, right?
So quick.

(16:04):
And I think what it's done isit's helped me reposition my
mindset to my fourth one is Ijust got done coaching his
basketball.
We start in a couple weeks, Icoach his baseball team, and
that now I look at that as okay,I he's in fifth grade, so I get
him for sixth, seventh, andeighth grade the summers after,
right?
I got three summers left ofcoaching this kid in baseball,
and then I'm done, you know, andI'll have a 17-year coaching

(16:25):
career, you know, between my allmy kids.
But it's like it's it's now it'scoming to an end.
And so those parents, man, thatare going through the thick of
it right now, just know that itdoes go fast.
You hear it, but truly try tobelieve it because it goes fast,
man.
And once it's over, it's over.

SPEAKER_04 (16:39):
Spot on, brother.
Uh, it's um so true.
And I it is a cliche, but it's acliche for reason because it's
truth.
Um tell me what mom and dad didfor their job.

SPEAKER_01 (16:49):
So my dad uh was a banker, and um and my mom uh was
lucky enough to be able to stayhome with me when uh I was born.
She she retired the basicallythe the week I was born.
She was uh owned a hair salonand gave that up and then uh
helped you know raise me.
And and uh so that's what theydid.
So my dad again was veryinstrumental in my beliefs of of

(17:12):
business and buildingrelationships.
And I saw him you know buildrelationships in town for the
right reasons.
And so I think again, that wasjust kind of programmed in my
brain of how I then got intofinance and stayed in wealth
management instead of bankingand just built a business from
there.

SPEAKER_04 (17:26):
Is it when you say that, like stories of building
relationships doing it the rightway, tell me is there a story
that comes to mind of it you canremember that you might reflect
on often that maybe you sharewith your team or share with
your boys?

SPEAKER_01 (17:35):
Well, my dad was a handshake guy, right?
Like you you make a decisionbased on a handshake, and I
think we can get away from thatin the world.
And I think that you know,paperwork and all the stuff, and
obviously you got to havecontracts and sign stuff.
I'm not saying that, but I'vealways tried to say that as I
remember as he was kind ofwinding down his career, he's
been retired since 07.
Is that that that game changedand it became less about

(17:57):
relationships and more about thealmighty dollar?
And for him, it was frustrating.
And so that's what for me, I Imean, if I have to have a
contract, clearly we have to dothat and we sign clients up and
all that stuff.
But I would be just as fine withsaying, you know, here's a
handshake, here's my word, I'mgonna do this, let's make it
happen.
And I don't care about yourcontract.

SPEAKER_04 (18:15):
Yeah.
I'm I'm old school like thattoo.
Um, you know, the old JerryMcGuire, my my word, what is it,
my word as strong as oak?
That line.
Um, why do you think that's umwhere do you think that's that's
gone or missing today's culture?

SPEAKER_01 (18:30):
I think it just it's all about the bottom line for
people, right?
And it's like, okay, am I gonnamake more money in that?
I mean, look, I had a uh a greatbuddy of mine was a division one
basketball coach at a at the SEClevel, and and you know, I've
known him since we were kids,since I was probably in fourth
grade.
And we were talking today aboutthe transfer portal and NIL, and

(18:50):
it's you know, it's it there's alot of good to it, but there is
a lot of bad to it, man.
And and to where we couldpotentially see this in the next
three or four years that thesekids aren't even going to
school, you know, and so I justthink that it's ran by decisions
that aren't in the best interestof people sometimes.
And uh that's why I think toanswer your question, that's why
it's gone there is that the bestinterest of people sometimes is

(19:13):
not why we're making decisions.

SPEAKER_04 (19:15):
I agree, man.
That's funny.
I I've talked to people aboutNIL before and Transfer Portal
and um you know, the the whole Igotta have it now mindset, which
that's not how we build grit,that's not how we build
resilience.
Um you know, that's just why I'mhoping that there's a dad
listened to that we can maybeinfluence a dad through our
conversation that maybe getsback to that, you know, it's

(19:36):
like, yeah, maybe my son's notplaying right now, but maybe
why?
Is is it truly the coach'sfault, or is there something
maybe that he or she could bedoing differently at home
typically?
Yeah, because 99.99% of our kidsare not going pro.
Um that's right.
If they do, awesome.
But you know, like my wife, shehad a great analogy.
She was like, we have like kindof 18 seasons, almost like a
sports analogy.

(19:56):
We have 18 summers or 18 seasonsto kind of prepare them.
We're in the minor leagues,trying to get them ready for the
pros, and um that's why what'sbeen so fun about this podcast
journey, you know, year six,which is so crazy to think
about, is um you know, trying tohelp really remember what the
values that were important to usand not getting away from that.
Like there's yeah, there's agroups, there's a line that

(20:17):
success leaves clues.
I've heard before.
So if it's if it's stillsuccessful back, you know,
Socrates was using curiosity,why aren't we using Socrates?
Uh you know, Michelangelo isbeing using curiosity, why
aren't we using curiosity?
Yeah, Voltaire, yeah, we thinkwe gotta do it some different.
I get times change, but like uhI I bel I love like your pops'

(20:39):
old mindset and your mindsettoo.
It's like that's that's how youcreate character people.
Yep.
Absolutely.
Um did you ever when did youthink you wanted to get into
finance?

SPEAKER_01 (20:51):
Uh huh.
It's funny.
I have a good story.
My I always talk about this.
My cousin Dean, uh, he's theoldest cousin on my mom's side.
I'm the youngest cousin on mymom's side.
We went and helped him move intoa new home.
He was a, you know, I don'tremember how old he was at the
time, but he was young.
And uh I was, like I said, 15.
So he's probably in his youknow, mid-20s, upper 20s.
And he was what they call backthen a stockbroker.

(21:13):
And uh I always knew I wanted tobe successful, and and you know,
you and I share a passion.
We both have the passion forgolf.
And I just remember we we my momand dad and I, we drove about an
hour and a half, went over tohelp him and his wife, and I
don't even know if they had kidsat the time, um, move into their
new home.
And their new home was on thiscountry club.
I saw this hole in the backyard.

(21:34):
He had a gold BMW, and we get init, and he's got like speakers
in the headrest, and he cranksup the music.
And here's a 15-year-old kid.
I'm like, that's what I'm gonnado.
And uh and so I went to college.
I uh I majored in golf andfraternity and uh knew that I
just I knew I wanted to besuccessful.

(21:55):
And when I got out, I went to ajob fair and found two
investment companies and gothired with one, worked there for
12 and a half years, and thenstarted my own deal almost 11
years ago.
But he told me and my I thinkshe was my fiance at the time,
now my wife, whatever you do,put two years of work into your
first year.
That's it.
You do that, you'll besuccessful.

(22:16):
So I just said, okay, I was justdumb enough to go do what he
said, right?
And they said make 40 phonecalls a day.
I went and made 80.
And just, you know, just keepdoing it.
And uh yeah, now here we are 24years later in a professional
career and have loved every bitof it.

SPEAKER_04 (22:31):
Um, so it's easy to tell people that, but tell me if
you can think about where didthat work ethic and grind and uh
mindset habits come from?

SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Well, I will tell you I didn't have a work ethic.
I, you know, it was uh one ofthose things.
I I I grew up, I played golf.
I I would play baseball at nightand golf all day long.
I was, you know, blessed to getto do that.
And uh, you know, I had somejobs here and there, but I
didn't learn a work ethic.
Like I look back and I think Iprobably I'm a better golfer
today at 47 than I was incollege.

(23:02):
And I look back and think, man,if I had a work ethic back then
on it, and I played a lot ofgolf, but I didn't work at it.
We just went and played and wasnaturally good enough to to go
someplace with it.
And and so I think I learned it.
Um, but I'll also tell you thatthe thing that I learned to
build a work ethic was I I knewI was very clear on where I

(23:23):
wanted to go.
So again, when I was makingthose 80 phone calls, I had in a
frame of things that I wanted toaccomplish in my life in the
next year, the next three years,and I would look at that thing
every single time I was making aphone call and didn't want to.
And these were little thingslike back then, buy my wife a
coach purse, you know, um,season tickets to the Cardinals.

(23:45):
I wanted to drive a three seriesBMW, I wanted to be able to give
uh you know a hundred dollars toa charity.
You know, I mean these weresmall things, but they were big
at the time when I was 22, 23years old, and I just had them
in a frame and I did it.
My first year in the business, Iwas the financial advisor of the
year in St.
Louis for our company.
Okay now, no no work ethic,right?

(24:07):
A little bit of arrogance comesin.
The next year, they should havefired me because I basically
brought in no clients.
I had a terrible year, and thenit's that come down to come to
Jesus moment with myself, right?
Like, all right, you say youwant these things, dude, but
your effort and your workabilityis not doing it.
So what's gonna change?
That's actually where I createdthe circuit of success on a

(24:27):
piece of paper that then, youknow, many years later ended up
becoming my podcast name.
Um, but that's what I had to do,and it was a kind of a again, a
come to Jesus moment with myselfof you gotta learn to work.
Talent, talent takes you places,but work with talent that's a
that's a good recipe.

SPEAKER_04 (24:43):
Have you shared that with the story with your boys?

SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (24:47):
Your employees, yeah, yeah.
Love it.
I knew you did.

SPEAKER_01 (24:52):
I share it on.
I mean, if anybody ever listensto me on a podcast, they're
like, all right, my it's just adifferent, it's just different
host, but it's the same stories,right?
Because there's only so manystories to share, and that
that's one of them for me.
My worst year in business was mybest year ever, right?
Because I learned the most inthat terrible, terrible time
when my wife would be like,Where's your paycheck?
And I'm like, I don't have one,you know.

SPEAKER_04 (25:12):
So how so I want to dig in on this one.
So sometimes us men, we havethese things called egos that
get in the way and block us fromgrowing because we're so right.
I was very lucky one of theleaders early in my business
career, he asked me a questionIt was Casey, do you want to be
right or do you want to get whatyou want?
And I was like, Well, I wantboth.

(25:33):
He's like, Don't ask.
You gotta pick one.
I was like, hmm, shoot.
I was like, and thank God I'mwired this way.
I said, I'm gonna get what Iwant.
He's like, good answer.
I think that's helped me have ahealthy marriage of 26 years.
It's helped me in business,helped me in relationship
building.
So it's like, but I think thattook um you could have easily
got defensive and your ego.
I mean, if you as you reflectback or think, like, do you

(25:56):
think it's because you werewired that way?
Or do you think you know someonesaid something to you or you had
a mentor or or maybe your dad?

SPEAKER_01 (26:04):
I definitely, I mean, I watched people in the in
the company, and I I was very Ialways watched successful
people.
And you know, I I saw a guy umin my hometown that my dad was
friends with that wassuccessful, and I would just
kind of watch from afar.
I'd watch the guys that weresuccessful in the firm, guys,
gals that were successful in thefirm.
Um, but again, for me, I thinkit man, it was clarity of what I

(26:28):
wanted in my life.
And I think without clarity,it's like if I just gave you the
keys in my car and said, here,drive, well, where the hell are
you gonna drive to?
You don't even know where you'regoing, right?
Just start driving.
Well, where am I gonna?
I don't know, just startdriving.
Or you're gonna end upsomewhere, right?
But when I say, hey, go, here'sthe keys to my car, go plug in
this address, you know exactlywhere to go.

(26:48):
Right?
And same thing with life.
If if I write down, right, in apiece of paper, write it down,
don't just think about it, writeit down on a piece of paper and
I say, here's what I want toaccomplish, and here's what I
want to accomplish it by in myfaith, my family, my fitness, my
firm, my fund, my finances,those are my six F's.

(27:10):
Now I've got a plan to where ifI truly want those things, then
I have to go out and work.
Right?
And it's kind of a simple recipeif you think of it.
Now, you have to get luckysometimes, you gotta put in the
work, you gotta show up when youdon't want to, you gotta follow
success, you gotta you know,look at mentors, you gotta have
for me.
I have to I have faith in God, Ihave faith in a process, faith

(27:32):
and trust in that stuff.
And if you do those things, it'sprobably gonna work.

SPEAKER_04 (27:37):
Yeah, I agree.
I um have you shared those sixF's with your kids?
Oh, yeah.
Do they write them down too?

SPEAKER_01 (27:44):
They do, yeah.
That's awesome.
Not as much as you want, right?
As a kid, but they're like, Iwell, here comes dad again.
He's gonna talk about his F tothe sixth power, right?
Uh why is he dropping F bombs onus?
Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:56):
Um, do you think this tell me, do you think this
stems from your mom in the pieceof paper?

SPEAKER_01 (28:02):
Oh, possibly, yeah.
I mean, it it thinks so.
Um, it starts having goals.

SPEAKER_04 (28:07):
No, you're if you're so I always love asking
questions where my guests don'tknow.
I would love it if if you shallaccept homework out of this.

SPEAKER_01 (28:15):
Yeah.
And and ask mama, she she mightnot even remember, or maybe
she's like, No, I've talkedabout this with my parents
before about the writing down myyou know, dream house and all
that stuff, too.
And it's uh yeah, I don't know,man.
It does make you think.
And it's uh I remember alsogoing to a uh study group.
I was in a study group offinancial advisors where we
would meet three times a year.
We'd travel to different placesand we'd meet, we'd share

(28:36):
business ideas.
And I'll never forget a guynamed Jason was the one that
gave me the idea of buying thisjournal.
And I've used the same journalsince July of 2005.
Obviously, I've gone through abunch of them.
Um, but then I've got that, thenthen what ultimately led me to
you know creating my ownjournal, and uh and now I've got
it all in one spot.
So I got a journal that's how Itrack my day in my quarter, my

(28:58):
90 days, and then I've got thejournal where I dream and
strategize in.
And those two things are with meall the time.

SPEAKER_04 (29:04):
Um, is it a journal you sell?

SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
I do, yeah.
On Amazon.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (29:09):
We'll make sure that's let's hit that.
Make sure you bring that up atthe end because I want to make
sure we link that in the shownotes so people can go in.

SPEAKER_01 (29:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (29:16):
I go through journals all day long, so I'll
I'll make sure I go support youand grab one or some.

SPEAKER_01 (29:21):
Thank you.
That's not why I'm on the show.
I just I just kind of dropped itout there.

SPEAKER_04 (29:26):
I want to go back to those six F's again.
Can you can you say those again?
Finance?

SPEAKER_01 (29:30):
Yep.
Well, it starts with your faith.
Okay.
They're they're in uh they're inthat order, faith.
Uh, my family.
Okay, my fitness, okay, my firm.
So it'd be work for otherpeople.
Mine just happens to be firm,right?
So another F.
And then fun and then finances.

SPEAKER_04 (29:47):
Love it.
And when you go through that, doyou ideally do is it like do you
have a goal of like unlimited umthings you're writing by each
number, each letter, or is iteach word, or is it just like
one thing?

SPEAKER_01 (29:57):
Well, like so again, in my journal, the the first the
90 days.
It's uh it's every 90 days youget a different journal.
And um, like in my faith,there's uh I have I want to read
a daily devotional, I want tofocus on getting to church on
Sundays because with four kidsyou can always have a game or
something, right?
So if it's not then it'sSaturday at four, whatever.
So make that a priority.

(30:17):
We're we're good at that.
Um, and then I want to read uhone um religious, like Christian
book this uh first 90 days.
So if I can do my dailydevotional, I'm showing up to
church every weekend and I readone good book.
That's a victory for me in thefirst 90 days of my in my faith,
that F faith.
So family relationships, it wasum three date nights with my

(30:38):
wife, right?
Just her and I, one-on-one.
And that may not sound like alot to some people.
Maybe it maybe it is.
I don't know.
But for me, again, with busyschedules, three just one-on-one
dates with my wife, and thenone-on-one event this quarter
with my each of my boys.
So, like my oldest and I, beforewe went to college, we got our
date in, right?
And our date was to a hockeygame.

(30:59):
It was just the two of us.
We went to the St.
Louis Blues game, had a greatnight, right?
So I got three more of those todo with my kids and two more to
still do with my wife.
And so we tracked those, right?
And that's something that I lookat and I track.
So I can't I'm not gonnacontinue to bore everybody, but
then I got a fitness one, myfirm, my fund, my finances.
There's a goal.
And it could be one, it could betwo, it could be three goals,
but that's about it.

SPEAKER_04 (31:20):
Is Richard Simmons sweat into the oldies on the
fitness goal?
It is not.

SPEAKER_01 (31:24):
Maybe I should add that one.

SPEAKER_04 (31:27):
I just wanted to have that visual for you to
think about.

SPEAKER_03 (31:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (31:30):
I see, I love this, and and hopefully, dads, if
you're writing this down like Ijust did, and I take always take
pages of notes when I'm talkingto guests, it's like that's how
we get better.
And I think that's why you've, Imean, I don't know yet really at
all yet, Brett, but like why Icould assume you've had success
in life and you continue to havesuccess, like one, you stay
humble.
But two, you have you have aplan, you hold yourself to the

(31:50):
metrics of how you measuresuccess, and then you look back
in 90 days, like, wow, I didsome pretty cool stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (31:55):
Yeah.
Um yeah, all this stuff.
I say this is my journal.
This is all stuff I've learned.
I've this has been uh on forprobably three or four years
now.
So this was 21 years in themaking of learning from
everybody else, and I just tookit all from what I've learned
and then put it in one spot in ain a journal, so then it's easy
to follow.

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SPEAKER_04 (33:13):
Well, I just finished a so I don't um I've I
have a very I've I've me a veryum spiritual framework.
I look at a daily devotional inthe morning.
Sometimes I have no idea whatthe heck it means.
But just being competitive, youknow, the Bible app it says like
how many days in all I look atit.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:27):
And so sometimes I'll go and I'm like, God, I
forget to do it.

SPEAKER_04 (33:31):
And I have to start back over at one.
But I'm on 202 right now, 2032or something.
And um there's a I just read abook that someone else told me
about.
It's called Two Chairs.

SPEAKER_01 (33:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (33:42):
It's written by a guy named Um Um Bob.
Um shoot, I'm gonna blank on hisname.
Bob.
I'll think about it in a second.

SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
Yeah, Bob, I know who you're talking about.
Um I read another one of hisbooks.

SPEAKER_04 (33:54):
Um The Power of Who?

SPEAKER_01 (33:56):
Uh yes.

SPEAKER_04 (33:57):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (33:58):
Bob He's in recruiting, too.

SPEAKER_04 (34:00):
Like um, shout out to Bobby.
We're forgetting your name, butwe're gonna get a longer plug
here.

SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
Um Christian book author.
Bob Goff.
Is it Bob Goff?
No.
Oh, mine was Bob Goff.
No, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:14):
Bob um, shoot, I'm gonna look this up.
Two chairs.
I gotta look so sorry, buddy.
Home we're gonna do a littledetro here.
Um book.
Sorry.
Bob Boudine.
Bob Boudine, yes.
So he um, you know, it's funny,I've I've been doing some of the
things he talks about, but likehe said, and it's kind of like

(34:35):
the first time I did it, I waslike, I was going through some
stuff, like getting wrapped uparound the axle and on really
things in life that aren't thatbig a deal.
And Lily, what it does is kindof like when you go, like I do a
gratitude journal in themorning, look at the devotional.
Um, but it said, like, no, likego pretend like you're having a
meeting with God.
And you you sit down and you youlike I'm listening, I'm like,
this is the first time I did it,I'm like, this is weird.

(34:58):
You know, I'm like, this is andso and even like sometimes
people say, Well, God's talkingto you.
I'm like, how do you know?

SPEAKER_03 (35:04):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (35:05):
You know, there's some people that swear with
that.
I mean, again, that's I'm likemore of a spiritual guy than
something.
So I think sometimes I don'twant to get get too off track
here, but I think sometimesreligion gets a bad connotation
because you get so focused onwhat you think you know, but I
don't think anybody knows,right?
You know, and but what uh andit's it just says you sit in a
chair, you get you visualize Godsitting across from you, and you

(35:27):
just talk to him.
And it's beautiful, dude.
The first time I did it, Iliterally felt like lightning
throughout my body and almostgot emotional.
Like I'm dropping my son off atschool again.

SPEAKER_03 (35:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (35:40):
And I'm like, shoot, maybe that's like maybe that's
what God's talking to me feelslike.
But I was like, it was theweirdest feeling.
And so now I'm like, I walk in,I've been doing this now for a
week.
I'm kind of oversharing powervulnerability, and I'm like,
what's up, God?
I'm like, I visualize he's notthe chair behind me, you know,
and so um I like that.
Yeah, it's a great book.

(36:01):
Um, shout out to Bob.
And I'm I'm actually I'm hopinghe's gonna come on um and let me
interview him one day becauseI've interviewed another one of
his friends, guy named Bob Titi,who's a former guest.
He he's a big curiosity guy,too.

SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
So I'm going uh uh I'm going to Two Chairs Book on
Amazon right now.
Is it this red and white book?
Yep.
Yep.
Bob and I, yep.
It'll be here by tomorrow,probably at 7 a.m.
There we go.
There we go.
I haven't I haven't picked outmy book yet.
I usually got a guy in theoffice, Scott, that I ask, hey,
what's my next book?

(36:33):
And I so this is gonna be mynext book.

SPEAKER_04 (36:35):
Yeah.
Well, maybe maybe we'll createlike a book club for dads out of
this journey together.
I like it.
You know?
And it's like countability.

SPEAKER_01 (36:41):
It's one of my biggest things, man.
It's 10 pages a day.
Just 10 pages a day.
You'll end up reading about 25books a year.
Because for me, to say 25 booksa year is like that's almost
impossible, it sounds like.
But if I say 10 pages a day,that's easy.
I can do that.

SPEAKER_04 (36:57):
Small, exactly.
Start small and then just chipaway.
Um where did you learn these sixF's?

SPEAKER_01 (37:06):
Time.
Time.
It used to be like, you know,three F's, and then it was like,
you know, uh, then I'm infinance, and it took me probably
I had five F to the fifth powerfor about uh four or five years.
I'm like, wait a second,finance, your finance is kind of
important, what I do for aliving.
Um, and so we'll add that one.
So just over time, but again, Idon't know if I mentioned this

(37:28):
or not, but I I do uh strategicthink time and I spend an hour
and a half of my week, it'susually on Wednesdays, Wednesday
afternoons from one to twothirty with myself and this
black dreaming big journal.
Um it's got an F greater than Psign on it, just like you can
see on my microphone here, whichis future greater than your
past, which is also the name ofthe of the journal.

(37:50):
And so um for me, it's justconstantly spending an hour and
a half with a blank sheet ofpaper and an ink pen.
Things just, you know, they justkind of start to roll out.
And I've been doing that forgosh, years, you know, 10 or 15
years.
Uh I've been doing that once aweek.
So how do you tell me how do youhold yourself accountable to
that?
Um, you know, nobody's perfect,so it doesn't happen every

(38:11):
single week, but I I do a prettydamn good job.
If I have a meeting that I haveto keep at that Wednesday time
frame, then I just move it on mycalendar.
But for me, it's like it's likewater, man.
I I I crave it.
Like we we just had a boil orderand our our the the freezing
here uh broke our uh pipes.
And you don't know how much youlike water when you can't drink

(38:31):
water at home for a night.
And then this morning I got it,and I'm like chugging water.
It's but it's that's what it'slike for me with with journal
time that that strategic thinktime is so many great ideas for
me and so many ways to digyourself out of something.
Like, hey man, when you're a newyou know, young advisor and you
need more clients, and you youthink of strategies that help

(38:51):
you think differently.
And so for me, that's what I do.

SPEAKER_04 (38:56):
Have you applied that strategy to like wage you
want to be a better dad?

SPEAKER_01 (39:00):
Oh, yeah, 100%.
Yes, is it?
Yeah, create a little post-itnotes and like you know, things
I need to remember, like, hey,don't lose your you know what on
them and get mad, and you know,four boys is freaking crazy.
And and uh so instead, and I'mnot again, I'm not perfect at it
by any stretch of theimagination, but you know,
little reminders.
I use my phone, I use Siri allthe time for reminders.

(39:21):
I mean, those are the thingsthat I try to do to try to be
better every day.
And again, nobody's perfect, butif you're trying to get a little
bit better each day, it usuallyworks.

SPEAKER_04 (39:30):
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's I think it'sso good.
That's that's where I believelife's superpowers rely on.
I mean, the three I'mpsychotically passionate about
are humility, vulnerability, andcuriosity.
Um, I think you're leadingleading them all right there.
You're curious to get better,you're humble enough to say
you're not freaking no one'sperfect and you're vulnerable to
share where your gaps are.

SPEAKER_03 (39:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (39:47):
Um one of the you know, one of the episodes I did
was with one of my buddies, theguy that played golf a lot.
Shout out to D Balmores, um,Darren, my boy.
Um, we did an episode on sayingyou're sorry.
And just and that was likeepisode nine, and we're almost
gonna be in episode 300 herepretty soon.
But like that type of thing.
I could see dads writing thatdown, like man, you were an

(40:07):
a-hole yesterday.
Yeah, and everybody knows it butyou and your egos in the way, so
what are you gonna do about it?
And and are we gonna letourselves off the hook?
Are we gonna sit there for anhour and a half until we finally
you know take off our diaper,stop making all these excuses,
and say, Hey, I'm sorry.
Yeah, don't make excuses, justown your you know what.
Yep.
You know?

SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Um, I've had to say I'm sorry plenty of times,
right?
I mean, you can't just say, I'msorry, I screwed up, I'm
learning.
There's no playbook for being aparent.
You know, you can't Google howto be a better dad.
I mean, you can, you'll find alot of articles, but you you
gotta just go through it, man.

SPEAKER_04 (40:42):
Sometimes they're written by they're not dads.

SPEAKER_01 (40:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (40:46):
Single guy with three cats.
How do you know what it's liketo be a dad?
Yep.
You know, no offense, the guywith three cats.
That's the fatherhood too outthere.

SPEAKER_01 (40:53):
No offense taken.

SPEAKER_04 (40:54):
Yeah.
I mean, not to you, but the guywith three cats.
Yeah.
Um, if you were to think aboutan area of your dad game that
maybe it's not quite where youwant it, that you've said, man,
if I was honest with myself,this is an area of my game that
I can I can really work on thatmight maybe speak to other dads
at home.
That um anything you feel likesharing, maybe I'll leave my

(41:14):
witness mine that I work really,really hard on is patience.

SPEAKER_01 (41:18):
Yeah, that would be mine.
I mean, I knew when as soon asyou started talking, I know
where it's at, you know.
Again, and I I blame it on beingan only child because if I
wanted to go play with thatthing, especially when they were
little, man, like if they, youknow, there would be a toy on
the floor and one kid would gograb it, and then all of a
sudden now two or three otherswanted to play with it, and now
there's just like you know, afreaking cage match going on in

(41:38):
my family room, and I would losemy crap, right?
Like, what in the hell is wrongwith these kids?
Like, why are they fighting?
Because I never had that, right?
I mean, as annoying child, ifyou wanted to go play with that
ball over there, you went andgrabbed the ball and you did
whatever the hell you wantedwith it.
And and so now when I see thissibling rivalry, um, then they,
you know, it I'm like, what thehell is going on here?
And then they they're good nowbecause then they know it pisses

(42:00):
me off.
They'll be like, Well, Dad,you're you're just annoying
child, you don't get it.
And I'm like, then I get mad,you know, right?
I'm like, screw everybody, youknow, like yeah, so I I would
say that is try to, you know, mypatients when it's like, okay,
the one time I say let's stop,you know, and then when they
don't, then I end up gettingpissed.
And that's what I've worked on.
I've it's only taken me aboutyou know 19 years and four

(42:22):
months, and I'm still you knowworking on it.
Yeah.
I'll let you know when I masterit.

SPEAKER_04 (42:26):
Yeah, I'll see you in the assisted living facility.
We can compare notes.
Exactly.
Yeah.
How do you um so for maybe a dadout there that is an only child
that maybe this is speaking tohim?
Uh what are some things you doto to really kind of sharpen
your you know, sharpen yoursword or saw for per se?

SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
To to for being a better dad?

SPEAKER_04 (42:48):
Yeah, with with that.
I mean, because it's easy.
That could be your excuse andlike, well, I was an only child.
I can nothing I can do about it.
But you're you're choosing to dosomething about it.
So, like, what would be somethings?
I mean, obviously you shared thesix F's, that's a that's a great
way, but is there any otherother things that you might
recommend that you've seenhelpful either for you or
others?

SPEAKER_01 (43:05):
Yeah, I mean, reading books, you know, I I
probably read one to two, whichis not a lot, but I read one to
two books a year on parenting umthat really try to help me.
I've learned that when I feelthe way I feel, um, which you
talk about vulnerability.
Wow, isn't this crazy that itworks?
Is when I share, boys, I'mgetting to my limit.

(43:27):
And literally will just say itlike that.
It's kind of like that helpsdiffuse the situation because
they know then dad's gonna getpissed, right?
And it's not like I'm throwingshit around the house, but it's
just like I'm mad, right?
And you don't want to makesomebody mad, but it's just like
I'm annoyed.
Like, be quiet, stop fighting,you know.
And so um, but I think workingon it, and then the other thing,
and my wife's helped me withthis like just leave the room

(43:48):
for a minute.
Like, if you just if you're thatpissed, like just leave the
room.

SPEAKER_04 (43:52):
That's good.
Isn't that funny how just likeremoving yourself can can be all
the thing?
Or you know, I've one thing Iwork on is like just asking for
help from my wife.
Like, if I'm like, I'm not, Ican feel it.
I'm this this freaking FreddieKruger's coming out, I can feel
it, and I can't stop it.
I don't know how to stop it.
She's like, go, go, go.

SPEAKER_01 (44:10):
Well, it's the stuff that you learn as a kid, right?
Your first 18 years of life, howthat stays with you forever.
I mean, like, I just like whenmy dad would come home from
work, it was quiet, right?
It was peaceful.
You get this transition fromwork, dad, to you know, now I'm
at home, dad, and it's like I'llcome home, and that's usually
when the chaos is going on,right?
They've they've been cooped upat school all day long, they're

(44:33):
they're hungry, right?
It's like we got to hurry up andget to practice.
That's when the craziness isgoing on, and it's like shit, I
just want to come home to likesome peace and quiet for like
just give me five minutes, youknow.
And uh it doesn't always work.
And I'm painting a bad picture,right?
It's not like this is all thetime, but this is the stuff
though that I struggle with.
But it's real.

SPEAKER_04 (44:52):
It's I mean, I think we'd be lying, people who
listening or we're we'd be lyingto ourselves.
It's not like you know, and II've said this multiple times,
I'll continue to say it becauseI'm saying it for myself.
Like this podcast is for me.
Yeah, I get therapy out of everyepisode.

SPEAKER_01 (45:06):
I call it my weekly therapy.

SPEAKER_04 (45:08):
100%.
And um, I'm not doing this toget on um Phil Donahue or Oprah.
I'm not doing this to be thenext Joe Rogan.
I'm doing this because it's ait's a fun project.
It's I didn't know I'd be doingthis for six years.

SPEAKER_01 (45:21):
Um you'd take the $200 million Joe Rogan check
though, wouldn't you?

SPEAKER_04 (45:24):
Uh probably I'd probably hold out for$205.
Yeah.
I mean 100% I would.
But like I think the chance ofthat happens.
I'm gonna write I'm gonna writeit down in my my journal.
There you go.
I will be the next Joe Rogan.

SPEAKER_01 (45:37):
I will make$200 million for my podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (45:40):
But I know we talked this about mine, and you we
talked you mentioned the law ofattraction.
Obviously, um I'm a bigvisualization person.
Um, I've taught my kids thatlike I think that's what's cool.
I've seen is like my kids likehave goal boards in their room.
Um and uh I think when whenthere's it's easy to tell our
kids these things, but when youcan back it up with a story like
your mom and did when you're 12.

(46:01):
Or your mom and dad did whenyou're 12.
Like I can I have many storiesof visualization when things
writing things down, and like itit works, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 (46:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:10):
Um, so if you're a dad listening, you're like, oh,
you guys are full of shit.
Okay, you you believe you, bro.
Or check your ego and like tryit and follow up with me at
Brett in a month and say, Oh mygod, maybe you did.

SPEAKER_01 (46:21):
Yeah, how many kids do you have again?

SPEAKER_04 (46:23):
Two.

SPEAKER_01 (46:24):
Yeah.
So six kids between the two ofus.
We probably know a thing or two.

SPEAKER_04 (46:28):
Yeah.
Two kids that I know of, two.
Right, right.
Right.
Joking, Carrie.
I'm joking.
Yeah, just joking, baby.
Yeah.
Um, so you you you work for youryou you got into wealth
management thanks to our boyDean, cousin Dean, um, the the
BMW with the brass monkeybumping in behind your ears, and

(46:49):
you're you're you're motivatedto do it.
Um take me back to the day uh ifyou can that said, I'm gonna go
out and do my own thing.

SPEAKER_01 (46:58):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (46:59):
Um and how did that impact you as a dad?

SPEAKER_01 (47:03):
Well, I I always struggle sharing this story
because it's it there wassomething big that happened in
my life that was um it was a bigdeal, and I don't want to come
across like I'm bragging, butum, that's why I always struggle
sharing it.
But but it's true, and we'retalking about transparency and
vulnerability.
And so I did something in acompany, a 150-year-old company

(47:23):
that had never been done before.
And um, you know, so 150 yearsis a long time.
And I did this thing.
I there was a number of peoplethat I recruited and brought
into my own firm.
I owned my own office there atthis firm, and I had recruited
the most the company had everseen in 150 years, all while
being a what's called a there'sa certain name for this

(47:44):
production thing that you get toat that at that company.
And again, and those two thingshad never happened uh before.
And I'm like, you know, that'spretty cool, but yet, like, so
here I was, my success was kindof going like this, right?
Which means financially,freedom, all this stuff, right?
But yet my job satisfaction wasgoing like this.

(48:06):
And I was going through thiswhole process with having some
panic attacks, having you know,anxiety, um, going to the mayo
clinic and spending money to geta full physical because I just
knew something was wrong withme.
And um it came back that it wasanxiety and and and it just I
wasn't doing well, right?

(48:26):
And but yet here I am on paperand and on the outskirts looking
like I was this super successfuldude.
And uh I went to this meetingthat that you qualify for, and I
would go around and I wasbasically doing like a podcast
before podcasts were going on,and I was like, hey, what what
makes you happy?
What keeps you here?
And I couldn't get a goodanswer.
And at that moment I knew on aflight home from Arizona that I

(48:46):
was I was done.
And uh took the rest of theholidays and kind of just
thought about it and then made acall to my business partner now,
Tim Hammond, on uh January 2ndof 20 uh 14 and said, Hey, what
keeps you here?
Because he was at the same firmand uh thinking he'd try to help
me there.
And 82 days later we started afirm, and now almost 11 years

(49:09):
later, here we are.

SPEAKER_04 (49:11):
Wow.
That's awesome.
Well that that speaks to me onmany levels.
We uh we have more in commonnow.
I didn't I didn't do somethingthat was 150 years, but I did
did something about half that.
Um I think it's um yeah, wearen't bragging, but it's the
truth.
Yeah, and you should be proud ofit.
I'm proud of it.
But um when you when you left,um what was there like fear like

(49:33):
or was there just this innerbelief like I'm gonna make it
happen?

SPEAKER_01 (49:37):
Well, there was both.
I mean, it was um my my wife wasuh eight months pregnant.
Um the day I resigned andstarted my new firm.
My wife was eight monthspregnant with our fourth child.
We had just built our dreamhome.
And here I was, you know, Iremember a month before I left,

(49:58):
my wife saying, Is this theright time?
I said, No, it's a freakingterrible time.
I said, but we're gonna do it.
And she's like, Let's go.
And uh, you know, supported thehell out of it.
And uh I wouldn't be where I'mat without that support.
And we did it and resigned on aMonday.

(50:18):
Her dad had a stroke the Fridaybefore.
So now I'm dealing with mywife's dealing with her dad.
Um that was so he had a strokeFriday.
I resigned Monday.
Uh Friday, my dad had a heartattack, um you know, coated on
the table.
They zapped him back.
Uh so this is all going on inthe week, all along with I know
I'm getting ready to have myfourth child.

(50:39):
That's not good for anxiety.
And uh I worked um in my townthat I was I owned the building
that we were in.
It had to go perfect.
Thankfully it did.
And uh, but it was freakingscary as hell.
But then also it was like burnthe bridges, man.
We're gonna make this, we're notgonna fail.
We're gonna make it happen, anduh and we did.

(50:59):
But it was a lot of work, man.
A lot of work.

SPEAKER_04 (51:02):
I was I don't I sorry for interrupting you, but
I said that's those things areprobably not good for your
anxiety.

SPEAKER_01 (51:08):
No, they were brutal.
Jeez.
But you know, when I made thedecision and I I I had spent now
a year studying and learningwhat anxiety was to where I
could learn to make it myfriend, it certainly was not
under control.
Um, but knowing I made thatswitch, how big of a release
that was of now I'm working forour own brand and doing the

(51:29):
things that we want to do withour clients.
And it was like thisoverwhelming sense of relief
that came over me.
And then again, now working onit, now here we are again, 11
years later.
My anxiety will still pop uphere and there.
Um, but I know how to deal withit.

SPEAKER_04 (51:43):
Did you have like a voice in your head that kept
chipping at you?

SPEAKER_01 (51:47):
Oh, yeah, I call him your roommate, and that you
know, this roommate over here,he's a dick.
And then this guy, he is reallyhe's really awesome.
And he's in better shape, too.
He's in way better shape, he'she's better looking, he's just
all sorts of stuff.
But uh man, you have that.
And again, I used to kind ofstart to believe it a little
bit, you know, but now I'velearned again when it starts to
come in.

(52:08):
I I now, I and this guy overhere, we talk major trash to
this dude over here.
Like I love talking trash atgolf or in the basketball court
or whatever.
Uh, and now I do it in businessto myself.

SPEAKER_04 (52:19):
Love it.
Self-talk is so important too.
I do it.
My kids make funny, my wifemakes fun.
I'm like, I've been doingself-talk my whole life.

SPEAKER_01 (52:25):
Yeah.
You know, I'm like, dude, I knowwhat you're doing right now,
it's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_04 (52:29):
Yeah, suck it.

SPEAKER_01 (52:30):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (52:32):
Yeah, that's so good.
I um that speaks to me, man, ona lot of levels.
Um, and I appreciate you sharingbecause I know there's someone
that's um listening that mightbe going through the same thing.
But I mean, I think a lot ofthis stuff is fixable through
it's easy to want to take drugs,and I think sometimes chemicals
were people need to do that.
I get that, but I thinksometimes just talking about it

(52:53):
and and being vulnerable.
100%.

SPEAKER_01 (52:55):
I've never taken medicine for it, man.
And it um and I'm proud of that.
You know, it's because I've andagain, there are people that
have to have it, they have itway, way worse than I ever had
it.
And I'm not saying that that'swrong for it was for me, it was
a great decision.
Is I was able to not put theband-aid on it for me, I was
able to fix it and get to thatdeep level of here's what I need
to be doing.

SPEAKER_04 (53:15):
Yeah, my pops rest in peace.
He he struggled with anxiety anddepression, but he did not
exercise.
And I think for me, when I whenI and I'm very I I'm not like on
playground, I'm not gonna belike, you know, fireman of the
month, but like I I want to keepmyself in good shape.
And yeah, um, you know, and whenI don't exercise, I and I take

(53:38):
usually two rest days, one oneto two rest days a week.
When I don't, if I ever get offtrack, like if I I'm travel next
week, like I still make sure Ido something.

SPEAKER_03 (53:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:47):
Because I don't, once I get off that habit, and
then if I'm not getting thosedemons out, I'm you know, not
demons, I'm not getting thoselike endorphins out.
I'm not the best version of me.
And I think like it's easy totell yourself the excuse, well,
you're trial, you're in this.
True, but even if you did 30push-ups in the hotel room,
right?
Better than nothing.

(54:08):
One question I was gonna ask,you mentioned in the very
beginning, you and your wife areworking on a business.
Is that something we can share?
Is it in is it is secret mode,or do you want to talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 (54:17):
It's uh it's not secret mode.
We're building over here, it's auh members-only experience and
it's a uh it's a speakeasy.
And so where I'm sitting rightnow, I've got my uh well, we
have nine office locationsaround the country, but the one
I'm in is right over here.
Uh we're on a in a building, inour a building that we built in
2016, and then we got thepodcast studio, and then we get

(54:38):
this members-only experienceover here.
So one of the things that we'lldo is, and this, you know, this
helps us help our clientsachieve a future greater than
their past.
And that that's why this wholething works together.
And so we'll create that andwe'll create these experiences,
like whether it's professionalathletes or big-time business
leaders, they'll come in, do apodcast, we'll walk across the
hall, go to the speakeasy, youknow, kind of have a QA forum

(55:02):
type deal with them.
And now these business leadersare you know surrounded by
people that they may not get tointeract with every single day
because it's you know, they cameon the podcast or something.
So that's what we want to do iscreate these experiences that
are unforgettable for people andhelp them achieve a future
greater than your past, um, anddo that through our wealth
management firm, through ourpodcast, and then through uh

(55:22):
what's called beyond, which isgo beyond your own self-limiting
beliefs, right?
Go beyond your own expectations,go beyond what you think is
possible.
And uh, we always say live thebeyond, man, and do that.
So it's fun because my wife, um,when we built this building, she
she did a lot of the designwork, and then all of a sudden
it turned into uh her friendsaying, Hey, can you help me

(55:43):
with our family room?
And can you help me with this?
And then it turned into abusiness for her and a passion.
She didn't go to school forthat.
Um, she got her master's inspeech pathology, and now she
runs an entire interior designuh firm with her friend, and
they do jobs all over town, andand she's doing this one, and
uh, she's doing a great job.
And I can hear the uh tapemeasure you know running around

(56:03):
right now, doing stuff.
She's laying out furniture andtaping it down and all that
stuff.
So it's been awesome, man.
Thanks for asking.

SPEAKER_04 (56:08):
Is she more handy than you?

SPEAKER_01 (56:10):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (56:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (56:12):
I can change the light bulb.
I'm pretty good at changinglight bulbs.

SPEAKER_04 (56:15):
Yes, welcome to the team, but we cry and we suck at
fixing things.
Welcome to the board.

SPEAKER_01 (56:20):
Yeah, I mean, I'm even the guy, like I'll hold the
picture up and then, but she'sthe one that you will will hang
the picture, like she'llphysically, you know, do it.
I'm not embarrassed to say it.
It's we know about our strengthsand weaknesses.
I know what I know what lane Iplay in.

SPEAKER_04 (56:32):
Yeah, how fat I always tell my buddies who can
fix stuff.
How many words can you type aminute?

SPEAKER_01 (56:37):
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (56:38):
How many people can you speak in front of without
crop crap?
Exactly right.
Yeah, that's that's my game,bro.
That's my game.
Um, if people want to learnabout visionary wealth
management or advisors, if theywant to find apologize for that.
If you want to learn aboutvisionary wealth advisors, they
want to learn more about Brett,the leader, the person, the
podcast.
Tell me what's the best way Ican help people find you and

(56:59):
your company.

SPEAKER_01 (57:00):
Yeah, uh, visionarywealth advisors.com is
our website.
Um, circuitofsuccess.com is ourpodcast.
I actually have BrettGilloland.com is where you go
there and you'll find Visionary.
You'll find our podcast.
You'll find our um charity mywife and I started in 2007 for
cancer called Swing for Hope,F-O-R-E.
Things that you scream whenyou're golfing.

(57:22):
I don't, but you do.
And uh, and so it's calledswingforhope.org is the website,
and we do a golf event, we do arock for hope event with bands.
We like to have fun.
Um, and so that's our charity.
We we help uh the local hospitalhere in town and we help local
families uh here in town.
So all that stuff is there, andthen beyond, I don't think it's

(57:42):
added there yet, but we gotbeyond and we got beyond media
group.
We're helping uh individualsstart their own podcast through
a media company I started, andand so we're helping them with
all the stuff that I've learnedand failed at over the last 415
episodes.
If they want to do it to getbetter, we either teach them or
we'll do it for them.

SPEAKER_04 (57:59):
So cool.
Um, can we learn more aboutSwing for Hope real quick if
people want to learn ways todonate or give to that?

SPEAKER_01 (58:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So my wife's mom, grandma, andtwo of her ants were all
diagnosed with breast cancer inabout a six or seven month
period.
Yeah.
Back in 2003, um, one of theants unfortunately did not make
it.
My mother-in-law is an absolutebeast, and she's been uh kicking
its ass since 2003.
Obviously, some days are betterthan others, but she's literally
been you know fighting it for along, long time.

(58:27):
And you would never know it,man.
She's got a great personalityand a great attitude.
Um, but that just it keeps itgoing, right?
Keeps it keeps it going for us.
The the passion behind it.
Uh, we started our charity uh in2007, and six weeks later, uh my
dad was diagnosed with withcancer.
Fast forward a year later, herdad was diagnosed with cancer.
My mom's had some stuff in thelast year that she was dealing

(58:50):
with in the stomach.
Um, and so it's just, you know,then friends and family, aunts,
uncles, you know, just somebody,you know, I was every time I
speak in public about it, I'llsay, raise your hand or stand up
if you've been impacted bycancer.
And the entire room stands up,right?
And so we're just trying to doour part, man, in our
communities.
And I was I always say if you ifyou make a living from a
community, you better give backto that community.
And that's what we try to do isgive back for that.

SPEAKER_04 (59:13):
Love it, man.
That's so cool.
I'll make sure thatswingforhope.org, you said, yes,
is in the show notes as well.
People, if you're and this is isthis just in St.
Louis or is this nationwide?

SPEAKER_01 (59:24):
Uh yeah, well, it's mostly in St.
Louis.
Um, but we're, you know, again,cancer's everywhere, right?
So we do what we can to helpanybody.
Um, but we we try to because allthe money comes in from local
stuff.
Um, and so we try to help thelocal community uh from the
money that we raise.

SPEAKER_04 (59:39):
So cool.
That's awesome.
You guys are doing that.
Um, and then before we get intolightning round, try to go
random on you and let you out ofhere.
If you were to summarize kind ofeverything we've talked about as
dads today, that if we could putput them into like themes that
dads or moms or grandpas oranybody who's listening can say,
Man, I learned these two orthree things that were really,
really spot on, and I neededthat time.

(01:00:00):
In my life to hear these things.
I'm glad I tuned in to listen toCasey and Brett.
Tell me what would be some twoor three actionable things that
dads can take from our episodetoday.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:08):
Well, there's a lot that I would say, but I would
sum it up this way, and I say itto my kids every night before we
go to bed is dream big, believebig, and give big.
And uh if we dream big and wewrite it down and we dream it
and we write it down and wedream it and we keep writing it
down, I write my goals downevery single day.
Uh my 90-day goals, I write themdown every day.
So if I write my goals downevery day and you don't even

(01:00:30):
look at them or write them down,who's got a better chance of
winning?
Right.
Right?
The person that writes themdown.
So dream big, believe big,because once you dream it, now
I've got to believe it.
Because if you don't believe it,you'll never take action on it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:42):
And then once I believe it, then I also have to
give big, right?
Give to your team, give to youremployees, give to your
community, give to your family,right?
All the things you got to do,give and give big.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:53):
Gold, brother.
Hence the belief sound behindme.
But I'm gonna this is I'm gonnasteal that and give you a
shout-out.
But that is a new way.
I'm gonna say goodnight to mykids every night.
So um thanks for it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:02):
It's funny, I made a video about this um about three
months ago.
Um, I walked out of my10-year-old's room, probably had
something in my mind.
I didn't say it, and I hear fromthe room, I'm the most shocked
person in the house right now.
He's 10, and I'm like, so itcaught my curiosity, right?
I'm like, I go back in, I put myhead, I'm like, what are you

(01:01:24):
talking about?
He's like, Dad, you didn't saydream big, believe big, and give
big.
And I'm the most shocked personin the house that you didn't say
it.
And I'm like, I'm like, dude,that's amazing.
And like how we speak toourselves matters.
And then we started talkingabout it, and he goes, Are you
gonna make a video on that?
Let's go.
Accountable.
So I made a little short littlevideo for social media on my son

(01:01:47):
calling me out.
But it's like, what not only dohow we talk to ourselves, right?
What we talked about earlier,those guys on our shoulders, how
we talk to ourselves, but how dowe talk to other people?
Our kids being one of them,right?
So do you think they believebig?
You're damn right, right?
Are they dreaming big?
Are they giving big?
Let's hope.
Where is that video?
Uh it's on social media onInstagram or on YouTube.
I'll I'll find it on Instagramand send it to me.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:09):
Please do.
Please do.
Um, awesome, man.
I I've taken a ton of notes.
Um, it's now time, Brett, to gointo the lightning round.
We'll make sure that you arelinked in all these things, by
the way.
But this is where I show you thenegative hits of taking too many
hits in college, not bong hits,but football hits.
Your job is to answer thesequestions, hopefully, as quickly
as you can.
Okay.
My job is to get a giggle out ofyou.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:31):
I like this.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:32):
Okay.
True or false, in doing myresearch, you loved playing
orange top flights.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:37):
False.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:38):
Okay.
Um, true or false, your favoritemovie was Beaches.
False.
True or false, your buddies atyour club call you judge snails.
False.
Okay.
I almost lie.
I'm giggling at my own joke.
You're a okay.
That doesn't count.
Um, if I came to your house fordinner tonight, tell me what
we'd have for dinner.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:57):
Am I cooking or is my wife cooking?
If I'm cooking, you're gonnahave uh uh frozen pizza or
tacos.
If my wife is cooking, we'regonna have like barbecue
chicken, mashed potatoes,broccoli, and a salad.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:09):
I'm full.
Your wife is cooking.
She's gonna cook.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:12):
My kids love our mashed potatoes.
That sounds really good.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:15):
Um, I'll have to do a really big, big workout the
next day.
That's right.
Uh, if you were to go onvacation right now, no kids,
tell me where you and your wifeare going.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:24):
We are going to, because we've never been up
there, we're gonna go to uh theGrand Tetons and Jackson Hole.
We're actually gonna do thatthis summer with the kids, but
that's where we would go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:33):
Okay, sounds fun.
Um, tell me your favorite comedymovie ever.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:38):
Christmas Vacation or uh yeah, Christmas Vacation.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:43):
Okay.
The most impactful book you'veever read is uh The Rhythm of
Life by Matthew Kelly.
Okay.
If there was to be a bookwritten about your life, tell me
the title.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:54):
Have Faith.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:56):
Okay.
Now, Brett, believe it or not,have faith.
I was going to the Atlantaairport on the way home and I
was looking for the book, HaveFaith, sold out.
I came home to Seattle, try toget the book, sold out.
Went to Amazon, sold out.
The book is crushing it.
Everybody wants to read it.
So now Netflix has found outabout they're gonna make a
movie.
Um they've said that you'regonna be the casting director,
so I need to know who's gonnastar Brett Gilliland in this

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critically acclaimed hit newmovie on Netflix.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:21):
I get told all the time I look like Aaron Rodgers,
but he's a uh football player.
So I would call uh what's theguy that did good news during
COVID?
His um Kaczynski.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:32):
Oh, from The Office?
Yeah.

unknown (01:04:35):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:36):
He's good.
I like him.
He's good.
I like him.
Okay, and then last and mostimportant question tell me two
words that would describe yourwife.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:43):
Ooh, just two words.
Heart and passion.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:48):
Boom.
Lighting round's over.
Uh I I encourage the giggleaudio, so we'll call that, we'll
throw a flag for a legal legaljudge.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:55):
Yeah, I'm I was thinking, I'm like, damn, I
don't know where he's goinghere.
We'll see.
I'm like, they're all false sofar, so maybe we'll get one
true.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:02):
Oh boy.
Um actually, last question.
I I I lied.
Tell me your dream for some.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:09):
Oh, living or dead?
Don't matter.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:12):
You you choose.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:14):
Jesus.
Um I'd like to play golf with mydad one more time.
And uh trying to decide betweenTiger, Tom, and Michael.
Michael Jordan or MichaelPhelps.
Michael Jordan.
There we go.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:31):
You're gonna be able to work.
I was gonna say you better bringcash and a lot of cigars.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:36):
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes.
It's a great question.
I might steal that question.

SPEAKER_04 (01:05:40):
Do it.
Hey, every every good idea isstolen from someone else.
That's right.
We started with Jesus.
So uh this has been a blast,man.
I'm so grateful.
Our past across.
Thank you, Nick and BookTinkers,for connecting us today.
Um, I've learned a ton.
I have a page full notes,hopefully you guys do as well.
If you found this episodeimpactful, um, do us a favor,
leave us a review wherever youconsume your podcast, or even

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better yet, go to that littlethree dots and wherever you list
your podcast and hit share linkand just share with a friend.
Um, let's try to impact otherdads and become better leaders
of their home.
Lean into these superpowers thatI'm passionate about, and I
think Brett is too, about beingmore vulnerable, being more
humble, being more curious.
Um, let's adopt these six F's.
And then lastly, let's dreambig, believe big, and give big,

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everybody.
Thanks again, Brett, forspending time with me today.
It's been an honor.
Um learn more about you.
Best lucky in the future.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:26):
Really appreciate your time.