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Chrishas been a solopreneur, a solo attorney
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running her practicefor the last 25 years in Houston.
She's continuing to build systemsand optimize her firm
so that she can have the lifestyle,that she's built.
Welcome back to the Sterling FamilyLaw Show, the podcast
designed to help family attorneyslive and build the firm of their dreams.
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I am your host, Tyler Dolph.
I'm also the CEO of our law firm,marketing agency Rocket Clicks.
That was built out of our own law firm,Sterling Lawyers,
that has grown to over 27 attorneys.
Todaywe continue our owner operator series.
And we talked to Chris,who is a solo attorney in Houston, Texas.
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She built her firm around her life.
And, she has some great insights for ustoday.
Chris,thank you so much for your time today.
We're excited to have you on the show.
I would love the opportunityto have you introduce yourself and,
give us a little, little backgroundon yourself and your firm.
Okay.
Well, Tyler,I appreciate you asking me to be on.
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I think you have a great podcast.
I've watched it a little bitand learned a few things,
so I think this is a really great forum.
So I'm Chris Lincoln, I'ma solo, practitioner.
I mainly work on, family law casesand divorce cases here in Houston, Texas,
and I've been doing this for almost25 years as a solo practitioner.
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Wow, 25 years.
So tell us, like,how did you start your office?
Why did you start your own firm?
And how's life as a solo?
Well, it's, you know, it's interesting.
It keeps me busy.
One of the things that works for meas a solo practitioner
is it allows me to have the flexibility,that I want and need in my life.
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I have a daughter who is 17,and like I said, I've been doing this
25 years, so it's allowed me to,you know, leave the office
and go to all the school functions,whether they're planned or,
you know, not planned.
And you get that callwhere you need to go at the last minute.
So, I've been able to do thatmost of the time.
But I graduated from law school in,1998 from Loyola in New Orleans.
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And at the time, I was,married to my first husband.
And his job took us to Houston.
So we moved to Houston in 1998,and I had no connections here.
And, was not successfulin finding a job at a law firm.
So I did contract work for about a year.
And then after that, I decidedto start my own law firm in about 2000.
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And I've been on my own ever since.
Amazing.
Have you did did you have ambitions to,to grow and get paralegals
and other attorneys?
Or was the goalalways like, I'm going to keep it small,
and just be flexibleand, you know, live, live that lifestyle.
So the goalwas never really to have,
other attorneys.
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But at one time I did havetwo paralegals, and I was very busy.
And then I just got to the pointwhere I decided I needed to scale back
because I need to spend more timewith my family.
And my daughter has a lot of activities.
So I didn't really have the desire to,to grow the firm.
And I was much busier,you know, ten years ago than I am now.
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But I'm as busy as I'd like I love that.
Yes, absolutely.
I think that's one of the benefits ofbeing an entrepreneur is you can decide,
you know, what you want to buildand how you want to build it.
And it's all up to you. Exactly.
So that's one of the biggest blessingsof being a solo practitioner for me.
I love that.
Take me back to 25 years agowhen you started The Firm.
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What what were some of thosekind of key lessons
early on that you had to figure outor that, you know, you
you would do a little bit differentlyif you started over today?
So one of the key lessonsthat I had to learn
was that I needed to find mentors.
And I figured that out along the way.
But it would have been niceif I had figured that out.
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Sooner might have saved me some hardship.
But, you know, that was a big,you know, big learning experience.
And and it worked out,and I found some really great people,
to observe and talk toand who gave me a lot of good advice and.
Any of that adviceyou remember is still used today?
Oh, definitely.
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I had a lawyer who had been practicingfor about 20 years herself,
and she took me out to lunch and she said,Chris, do not offer free consultations.
It's the worst thing you can do.
Now, I do family law.
So I realize in other industriesit's it's different.
For example, personal injury.
But I, I, took that adviceand I quit offering free consultations.
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So that was very helpful.
Yes. Just more phone callsand headaches
as opposed to people who are serious and.
exactly.
You have you been practicing familyall the whole time?
I have I've been practicing familylaw the whole time.
And when I started out,I did a little bit of business law,
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setting up corporations.
And then I also did quite a bit of estateplanning, for about 20 years,
setting up wills and powers of attorney,and then about five years ago,
I quit the estate planning business,and now I just do the family law.
What is it about familylaw that keeps you coming back every day?
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I like seeing people,get a fresh start in life.
You know, they come to me with a problem.
Typically they're distraught.
Something's not working in their life.
And my job is to give them a solution and,put them on the path to a fresh start.
It's really great.
Yeah.
It's,we talk all the time at our firm
about the opportunity to,yes, solve a problem,
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but also ensure that people are able to,you know, take that
next step in their life and move forwardand do so with confidence.
Because it's not easy.
It's not.
But that's probably one of the,most rewarding things about
my job is to see people, you know,have confidence when they're finished
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with the case and know that they can go onand have a happy life.
Hey, family law firm leaders.
My partner, Tony Karl'sjust released his book where he lays bare
our precise blueprint for growingsterling lawyers from 0 to 17 million.
This is the blueprintthat we still use daily.
And Tony explains it in very simple terms.
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The truth is, this is not simple to do.
Success requires and demands hard work.
But if you have the patienceand the work ethic to do
it, your family, law firm will succeed.
Chris, if, if I'm listening to thisand I'm thinking about starting my own
practice, and I want to be a solopreneurbecause I like the idea of flexibility.
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What are some thingsthat I need to know going in,
that will allow me to be successfula little bit faster?
You need to have a plan, you know,which is what you hear, every,
you know, business coach say,but you really do need to have a plan.
I know for myself, when I started out,I probably spent 40 to 50% of my time
just on marketing.
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And I have a business degreein a marketing and sales background,
so that came pretty natural to me.
And I read books on marketing and,you know, rain making
and how to build your law firm.
So I would, encourageanyone who's starting out to,
you know, read books,listen to podcasts like this.
Talk to other attorneyswho are doing what you want to do
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and who are successful and find out what'swhat's work for them.
Yes. Love it.
Have you?
Being solopreneur, to me,it's like all about systems and process,
finding efficiencywherever you can, you know, because you
you have to work the cases, but you alsohave to collect payment and pay bills.
I mean, you know, with the internet,when it goes out, what are
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what are some of the toolsor processes or efficiencies
that you've built to help youmanage your day to day?
I have an answering serviceand it's really helpful.
They will send me an emailto let me know when somebody is called
or if somebody leaves a voicemail.
Then it goes straight to my email system,and I have my phone with me
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all the time.
So right away I know if I have a message.
Most of my clients contact me on email.
You know, they'll call me,but I do a lot of email,
and my clients knowI'll respond within 24 hours.
So nobody ever has a hard timegetting a hold of me.
And then I have a building softwarethat I use, and then, I have an assistant
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that comes in a few timesa month to help me do the billing.
And then I have a contract paralegalthat I use to help me, get my drafting.
And then I also have a courthouse servicethat I use to help me
keep on top of my filings and keep upwhen, orders are signed
and setting hearing dates.
So you've really kind of optimizedyour systems so that you can do the work
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that's important and not not bebogged down by all the to do.
exactly.
And then, of course, I have it.
People who make sure that computersand everything are running.
And then, website companythat hosts and manages my website.
All the boxes checked.
boxes checked.
Yeah, 25 years.
I'm sure you'veyou've figured some things out. Yes.
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And what is it?
Chris, was it futurelook like for your firm?
You know,do you plan on continuing to to work and,
Or are you going to bea bigger part of your life?
Like, what's what's the futurelook like for you?
I'll probably work for the next15 or 20 years for as long as I can.
I'm not one of those personswho has, big retirement plans,
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but I realize I probably can't workforever.
But, I plan on continuingto do this, basically, until I can't.
It's great. It's great.
Chris, I appreciate your time, your story.
Leave us with some some wisdom,some parting words.
Lessons learned.
Anything that any of our listenerscan use as they're building their firm.
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Sure.
You know, when you're starting out,or maybe any time in life,
sometimes you're scared to do things.
Maybe you're scaredto go to a bar association meeting
because you're intimidatedand you don't know anyone.
But I would say do it anyway.
Do it. Afraid.
And you can always learnfrom your mistakes or something
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that seems, like it's a bad experiencecould end up being a good experience.
And I'll just throw out one little storyreal quick.
In 2013, I had a client,give me a really bad review on Aibo,
and I was very upset about it.
And he also gave me a bad reviewon Facebook and Yelp,
if you can believe that.
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So I was a little discouraged.
But what I did was, is I went and askedformer clients if they would start
writing reviews for me.
And ever since then, I dothat as a matter of habit.
When the case is finished,I'll ask the client to write me a review
on all the or Google, and,it's worked out.
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So something that started out,to be a bad experience
ended up being a blessing in disguise.
So you never know what can happen.
Reviews are so, so important,especially to your, your online
visibility as well.
Oh, definitely. Yeah.
So I think having a websiteand social media presence
is very importantto be successful in this day and age.
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I love it.
Chris, I'm so appreciative of your time,your insights.
Wish you the best of luck and look forwardto your continued success.