August 20, 2024 • 20 mins
BONUS MATERIAL - This is a mid-week conversation Neil, Lindsey, & Layla had as a followup to our gathering on Sunday.
The whole earth is full of the glory of the Lord...if only we'd give more attention to Him than to our distractions. Our hope is to cultivate a lifestyle of worship that overflows into our Sunday gatherings...to become a people who can worship through the distraction.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
okay, here we are.
This is the first take.
We wanted to have aconversation about what happened
yesterday in worship and howbeautiful it was, and we thought
what better person to join usthan leila?
So, leila, thank you for beingpart of the conversation with us
(00:25):
.
You're welcome.
Yesterday was absolutelybeautiful.
What you and Francis and Halliehave been cultivating in worship
over the past few months hasbeen it's been a gift for us.
It's been fun to watch.
It's been even more fun toparticipate in, and I felt like
yesterday and I know you feelthe same way we talked about
this last night we were allenjoying the fruit last night of
(00:52):
months of cultivating somethingin worship.
It's something that the threeof you cultivate hours before we
even come together on a Sunday.
You go in that building and thethree of you just lock away and
you worship Jesus on your own,and then we catch the spillover
of that every Sunday, which isbeautiful.
But I felt like last night wewere enjoying the fruit of all
(01:18):
of us really going aftersomething in worship that not
many of us have experiencedbefore specifically being able
to worship through distraction.
So we use family language whenwe gather, we say, hey, kids are
(01:39):
going to be kids, people aregoing to have car trouble,
they're going to arrive late,there's going to have car
trouble, they're going to arrivelate, you know there's just
there's going to be distractions.
And so we we press through thatduring the message sometimes,
but we also press through thatduring worship, which can be
challenging.
It can be really difficultbecause we're used to worshiping
(01:59):
in carefully cultivatedatmospheres where the lights are
down low so you're not seeingany distractions.
The speakers are really loud soyou don't hear any distractions
.
All you hear is what theworship band is wanting you to
receive.
When you're in a setting likethis, it's hard sometimes to get
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to that place of genuineencounter in worship, because
there are distractions.
The babies are walking around,the babies are distractions.
The babies are walking around,the babies are crying, the kids
are being kids.
You know someone has to go getup and go to the bathroom.
Someone arrives late because ofcar trouble, whatever, you're
having to put out extra chairs.
The wind is blowing against thesqueaky tent.
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You know there are distractions.
And blowing against the squeakytent.
You know there are distractions.
But our desire is to get to thatplace of authentic encounter
with Jesus, where you know itwasn't emotionalism.
You touched his heart and youknow it.
It had nothing to do with theperfect worship song sung by the
(03:02):
perfect voice in the perfectroom with the perfect set, like,
throw all that stuff away.
And if you touch his heart, youknow it.
That's what we had yesterday.
It was absolutely,authentically genuine and real.
And in the midst of you know, atone point, danny Grace walks
(03:25):
over to me and I pick her up itwas so sweet and you know we're
putting out extra chairs and Ifeel people bumping into me as
they're whacked in the head withone of the chairs.
You know, I know.
At one point, you know you hadto go get tissues for somebody
who was crying and there was no.
You know, pull out of thatworship moment for a minute,
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deal with real life, whateverthat may be, and then it's like
right back in to touching hisheart and I knew this is real,
this is authentic.
Jesus is here.
Was I the only one who feltthat way or did you sense that
also?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I didn't really think about it until after everybody
had left last night and we werejust talking about it, and I
think one of the things thatwe've done is, over the course
of the past months of being here, we've developed muscle
strength in being able to pushthrough distraction and to find
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him.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
How was it for you, as someone who was leading us to
that place of worship?
What did it feel like for you?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We have worked really hard to cultivate kind of heart
postures where we don't getdistracted so easily by kids
being kids and babies beingbabies and people entering the
room.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
What was it like?
I know, at one point, you gotchoked up.
You started to cry.
That can even be a distraction,true, you know, but yet you
were able to still sing out aspontaneous song that you hadn't
planned on singing.
That one, you didn't know ifyou would even remember the
lyrics.
So what was going on in thatmoment, when you could have been
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distracted by your emotions, bythe possibility of not being
able to recall the song youwanted to sing?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I was just reminded that worship doesn't have to
sound beautiful all the timelike to human ears, but it
matters like if it's beautifulto his ears, and I think that,
um, when you worship throughemotion and through tears and
through shaky voices like, hetakes that as pure worship.
(05:47):
And I mean I could hear otherpeople singing and getting
choked up and I think for sure,um, that helped me to realize
that, um, it was important yeah,you said, worship doesn't have
to be beautiful like to the earsfor it to be beautiful to him.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
How would you describe what beautiful worship
is to Jesus?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
he looks at the posture of our heart and doesn't
really look at the sound of ourvoice.
So if our hearts are pure andif they're facing him, I think
he hears a beautiful sound inthat.
And I mean that all points backto how worship isn't just a
song and it's not a performance.
Performance, but it's yourheart, posture, and that's why I
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think we're able to worshipthrough distractions, because
we've gotten used to like alifestyle of worship yeah more
so than like 30 minutes of justsongs he said that's how we were
able to worship through.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The distraction is we've cultivated a lifestyle of
worship and it's not just a30-minute window on one day a
week, like we were sayingearlier.
Like you're cultivating worshipin that building, hours before
we even come together throughoutthe week.
We're cultivating worship inour own relationship with lord,
(07:09):
our own, our own walk with Him.
We're cultivating a lifestyleof worship.
It's a great statement.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And I think, in approaching it that way, it
shifts from this 30 or 45minutes in a corporate gathering
is for me to receive from Him.
It shifts from that to know.
This is something that I giveyou know and that makes it
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completely different.
It's an offering that you getto give him instead of oh, how
am I receiving?
Because everything sounds rightand things are perfectly
curated for this experience.
I think it just takes buildingnew spiritual muscle memory to
come into worship with thatheart position is which is like
(08:01):
I'm here for you.
I'm here to give you what Ihave instead of give me what you
have, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I want to point out a couple instances from Scripture
where somebody worshippedthrough distraction and just
show quickly what the result was.
So I have well, really fourinstances that I can think of
Mary at the feet of Jesus.
There's the distraction of thepressure she feels from her
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sister to come and help in thekitchen.
So there was that distractionof I'm doing something that is
culturally shameful right now,but I'm going to worship through
that distraction.
Jesus receives what she's doingas a precious gift.
This will not be taken from her.
She's chosen the right thing.
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The demoniac man filled with somany demons they refer to
themselves as legion A manfilled with so much chaos.
You want to talk aboutdistraction.
You've got a legion of demonsinside of you, but yet that man
was able to press through thedistraction.
Mark 5 says that he fell atJesus' feet and worshipped the
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leper.
In Matthew chapter 8, there'smultitudes around Jesus,
multitudes of people.
Think of all the commotion, thesounds, all the distraction
that's going on.
But that leper, pressed through, fell at Jesus' feet.
Verse 2 says he worshiped andjesus received his faith for the
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miracle as worship, and thenthe gentile mother, the woman
whose daughter is demonized,comes to Jesus.
So here you have again culturaldistraction.
Shameful for her to evenapproach Jesus.
Jesus is ignoring her so thatyou have the distraction of her
internal self-consciousness,fear, shame, condemnation.
(10:01):
What she's doing is not okay.
He's not even acknowledging myme being here.
She presses through thatdistraction and and uh, matthew
15, 25 says she worships jesus.
So none of these people weresinging songs.
This had nothing to do withinstrumentation.
It was all heart posture thatwas pressing through the
(10:24):
distractions going on aroundthem and Jesus receives their
act of faith as worship.
These were not obviouslycarefully cultivated and
scripted congregation halls withperfect lighting and sound
systems.
This was real life interactionwith Jesus, filled with chaos
(10:46):
and distraction, but yet theypressed through and worshiped
him.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
One thing that's really important.
I think even that the Lord isdoing like in this generation
and in this season.
I love high praise, I love whenthe instrumentation comes to
like these are wonderful moments, but they can't be what we
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build our lives on.
While they're beautiful andthey're important and they have
value, it's the daily givingourselves over to a heart
position of worship thatsustains us for a lifetime of
following him.
It's figuring out how to meethim in the midst of you know,
(11:33):
diaper changes, businessmeetings, traffic that's driving
you nuts, Like he's in thesemoments, and he wants to
encounter us in those momentsand teach us how to have a life
devoted to worshiping him.
It just requires that we layour own preferences down.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Tell that story of how the Lord taught that to you
back in the day.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, so when we first moved to the Middle East,
I was having a really hard time.
You know where we were.
There wasn't really corporateworship.
We were a small group of people.
Even when we were gathering,some was in Arabic, which I
didn't understand.
So I'm trying to find my waythrough it.
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And I remember one day you knowthe kids, the boys, were up
very early in the morning.
So I don't have my morning timelike I was used to Everything
changed for me.
I don't have my morning timelike I was used to Everything
changed for me.
I don't have my morning quiettime.
I can't get my plug in at aworship set that sounds
beautiful.
It's like, all of a sudden, allof this is gone, and so I'm
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asking the Lord I don't know howto meet with you.
I can't live like this.
How to meet with you?
This isn't I can't live likethis.
And the Lord said why can't youmeet with me when you're
mopping the floor?
Why can't you meet with me whenyou're washing dishes?
I'm here, you're the one that'sover there waiting for me to
show up in some big moment, butI'm here in the daily, and it
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really became a challenge of mylife, like I was.
Can I keep talking?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Keep going, man.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I was reading, as I was thinking about this
conversation.
I was thinking about this, thisthing that happens with Isaiah
before he enters into thatpowerful vision with the Lord
that we all have heard.
Woe is me, I'm a man of uncleanlips but prior to that, he sees
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this vision of the Lord sittingon a throne, and he's high and
lifted up, and above him are theseraphim.
And the seraphim go out andthey call to each other Holy,
holy.
Holy is the Lord of hosts, thewhole earth is full of his glory
.
Holy is the Lord of hosts, thewhole earth is full of his glory
.
And at that moment, thefoundations of the threshold
shook at the voice of him andthe whole house was full of
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smoke.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
What.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I love is this acknowledgement that the whole
earth is full of his glory, andI think sometimes we don't stop
to think the child that's makinga noise, he's part of the earth
that's full of his glory.
It's available to us if we wouldget over our preferences and
get over ourselves and see.
This whole space is full of hisglory, the voice that's like
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choking back tears.
Full of his glory.
If we can see things that way,it makes space for the room, for
the foundations to shake andthe room to fill with smoke.
So good.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So good.
In fact, the language that weuse a lot in our church family
is building him a house that hecan recognize, that he fills
with himself the thing that hefirst recognizes as his own.
He's building a house made ofliving stones family.
So when we come together in thereal mess of family, when it's
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real, genuine life and there'spreference for the one whose kid
is maybe fussy, there'spreference for the one whose kid
is maybe fussy, there'spreference for the one who
couldn't arrive on time becausethey had car trouble, there's
preference for the other in themoment of worship, and instead
of becoming offended at thedistraction, instead you worship
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through that.
I believe there's somethingabout that that Jesus recognizes
as authentic family, and so hedraws even closer, he draws
nearer, and then begins thisbeautiful cycle of oh my
goodness, the king is in ourmidst on his throne in his house
.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Takes all the pressure off when you realize
that existing is worship andthat the earth worships and that
babies worship Us.
Humans are the ones that putpressure on it.
It wasn't designed to be hardor scary.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It should be the easiest thing that we do.
It's true.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
When we yield to the Lord and allow Him to address
our hearts during the week andeven to make adjustments, then
we get to come together as acommunity and offer Him
something that's authentic.
And I don't do this perfectly.
(16:24):
I mean, you can attest to this.
I for sure do not do itperfectly.
But how you can, in one minute,be harsh with your children in
correcting them and then thenext minute, worship is trying
to come out of that same well,it's that salt water and fresh
water.
Exactly, and so it's.
You know, if during the week,I'm allowing the Lord to examine
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my heart and I'm saying I wanteven the way that I correct my
children, it's making a sound.
I get to choose which soundthat it makes.
Is the sound that it makes whenI correct my children worship?
If so, when I build thisthrough the week and I come on
Sunday, what the Lord'sreceiving from me is not made up
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.
It's not put on for a day, it'sauthentic.
This is an outflow of the waythat I live my life.
We have to get to that placebecause he deserves so much more
from us.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
He deserves more than Sunday for 30 minutes.
That would be a good definitionof worshiping in truth.
Jesus says the Father desiresthose who worship Him in spirit
and truth.
That authentic, truthfulworship is springing from a
source that throughout the weekhas remained consistently
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worshipful.
I had one more thought lastnight when we were at the meal,
I had this realization okay,we're still at worship right now
.
Worship didn't end when thepiano stopped.
Worship continues through tothe table.
We are still worshiping in ourconversation.
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That's why.
That's why we pray God evenwhen we speak over the table.
May we speak spiritual thingsdiscerned by spiritual people.
Let us speak prophetically toone another.
Let it be an act of consecratedworship, even in our fellowship
.
So maybe that'll be the.
The next stage of our worshipjourney is really collectively
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having this sense of okay, thisis holy.
Yes, we're having fun over foodand we're fellowshipping and
we're getting to know oneanother and catch up and all
that stuff, but it's stillsacred.
God is receiving what we'redoing right now at the table as
a sacred fragrance of worship.
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If he could receive a manfilled with a legion of demons
falling at his feet as praise,then how much more redeemed
born-again children of Godgathered around the table
together he's going to receivethat as worship too.
Yeah, that's good Pop quiz,layla.
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When's the first time worshipis mentioned in the Bible?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Your face.
Hold on, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Layla, don't put that in, tell her and then do it
again, start over and ask more.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Abraham going up the mountain with Isaac.
The lad and I will go andworship Now.
You'll remember that forever,especially when we put that on
the video.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Why don't you ask again no, because it won't be
authentic.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This was good.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you for having us.
okay, here we are.
This is the first take.
We wanted to have aconversation about what happened
yesterday in worship and howbeautiful it was, and we thought
what better person to join usthan leila?
So, leila, thank you for beingpart of the conversation with us
(00:25):
.
You're welcome.
Yesterday was absolutelybeautiful.
What you and Francis and Halliehave been cultivating in worship
over the past few months hasbeen it's been a gift for us.
It's been fun to watch.
It's been even more fun toparticipate in, and I felt like
yesterday and I know you feelthe same way we talked about
this last night we were allenjoying the fruit last night of
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months of cultivating somethingin worship.
It's something that the threeof you cultivate hours before we
even come together on a Sunday.
You go in that building and thethree of you just lock away and
you worship Jesus on your own,and then we catch the spillover
of that every Sunday, which isbeautiful.
But I felt like last night wewere enjoying the fruit of all
(01:18):
of us really going aftersomething in worship that not
many of us have experiencedbefore specifically being able
to worship through distraction.
So we use family language whenwe gather, we say, hey, kids are
(01:39):
going to be kids, people aregoing to have car trouble,
they're going to arrive late,there's going to have car
trouble, they're going to arrivelate, you know there's just
there's going to be distractions.
And so we we press through thatduring the message sometimes,
but we also press through thatduring worship, which can be
challenging.
It can be really difficultbecause we're used to worshiping
(01:59):
in carefully cultivatedatmospheres where the lights are
down low so you're not seeingany distractions.
The speakers are really loud soyou don't hear any distractions
.
All you hear is what theworship band is wanting you to
receive.
When you're in a setting likethis, it's hard sometimes to get
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to that place of genuineencounter in worship, because
there are distractions.
The babies are walking around,the babies are distractions.
The babies are walking around,the babies are crying, the kids
are being kids.
You know someone has to go getup and go to the bathroom.
Someone arrives late because ofcar trouble, whatever, you're
having to put out extra chairs.
The wind is blowing against thesqueaky tent.
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You know there are distractions.
And blowing against the squeakytent.
You know there are distractions.
But our desire is to get to thatplace of authentic encounter
with Jesus, where you know itwasn't emotionalism.
You touched his heart and youknow it.
It had nothing to do with theperfect worship song sung by the
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perfect voice in the perfectroom with the perfect set, like,
throw all that stuff away.
And if you touch his heart, youknow it.
That's what we had yesterday.
It was absolutely,authentically genuine and real.
And in the midst of you know, atone point, danny Grace walks
(03:25):
over to me and I pick her up itwas so sweet and you know we're
putting out extra chairs and Ifeel people bumping into me as
they're whacked in the head withone of the chairs.
You know, I know.
At one point, you know you hadto go get tissues for somebody
who was crying and there was no.
You know, pull out of thatworship moment for a minute,
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deal with real life, whateverthat may be, and then it's like
right back in to touching hisheart and I knew this is real,
this is authentic.
Jesus is here.
Was I the only one who feltthat way or did you sense that
also?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I didn't really think about it until after everybody
had left last night and we werejust talking about it, and I
think one of the things thatwe've done is, over the course
of the past months of being here, we've developed muscle
strength in being able to pushthrough distraction and to find
(04:33):
him.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
How was it for you, as someone who was leading us to
that place of worship?
What did it feel like for you?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We have worked really hard to cultivate kind of heart
postures where we don't getdistracted so easily by kids
being kids and babies beingbabies and people entering the
room.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
What was it like?
I know, at one point, you gotchoked up.
You started to cry.
That can even be a distraction,true, you know, but yet you
were able to still sing out aspontaneous song that you hadn't
planned on singing.
That one, you didn't know ifyou would even remember the
lyrics.
So what was going on in thatmoment, when you could have been
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distracted by your emotions, bythe possibility of not being
able to recall the song youwanted to sing?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I was just reminded that worship doesn't have to
sound beautiful all the timelike to human ears, but it
matters like if it's beautifulto his ears, and I think that,
um, when you worship throughemotion and through tears and
through shaky voices like, hetakes that as pure worship.
(05:47):
And I mean I could hear otherpeople singing and getting
choked up and I think for sure,um, that helped me to realize
that, um, it was important yeah,you said, worship doesn't have
to be beautiful like to the earsfor it to be beautiful to him.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
How would you describe what beautiful worship
is to Jesus?
Speaker 2 (06:11):
he looks at the posture of our heart and doesn't
really look at the sound of ourvoice.
So if our hearts are pure andif they're facing him, I think
he hears a beautiful sound inthat.
And I mean that all points backto how worship isn't just a
song and it's not a performance.
Performance, but it's yourheart, posture, and that's why I
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think we're able to worshipthrough distractions, because
we've gotten used to like alifestyle of worship yeah more
so than like 30 minutes of justsongs he said that's how we were
able to worship through.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The distraction is we've cultivated a lifestyle of
worship and it's not just a30-minute window on one day a
week, like we were sayingearlier.
Like you're cultivating worshipin that building, hours before
we even come together throughoutthe week.
We're cultivating worship inour own relationship with lord,
(07:09):
our own, our own walk with Him.
We're cultivating a lifestyleof worship.
It's a great statement.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
And I think, in approaching it that way, it
shifts from this 30 or 45minutes in a corporate gathering
is for me to receive from Him.
It shifts from that to know.
This is something that I giveyou know and that makes it
(07:36):
completely different.
It's an offering that you getto give him instead of oh, how
am I receiving?
Because everything sounds rightand things are perfectly
curated for this experience.
I think it just takes buildingnew spiritual muscle memory to
come into worship with thatheart position is which is like
(08:01):
I'm here for you.
I'm here to give you what Ihave instead of give me what you
have, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I want to point out a couple instances from Scripture
where somebody worshippedthrough distraction and just
show quickly what the result was.
So I have well, really fourinstances that I can think of
Mary at the feet of Jesus.
There's the distraction of thepressure she feels from her
(08:31):
sister to come and help in thekitchen.
So there was that distractionof I'm doing something that is
culturally shameful right now,but I'm going to worship through
that distraction.
Jesus receives what she's doingas a precious gift.
This will not be taken from her.
She's chosen the right thing.
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The demoniac man filled with somany demons they refer to
themselves as legion A manfilled with so much chaos.
You want to talk aboutdistraction.
You've got a legion of demonsinside of you, but yet that man
was able to press through thedistraction.
Mark 5 says that he fell atJesus' feet and worshipped the
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leper.
In Matthew chapter 8, there'smultitudes around Jesus,
multitudes of people.
Think of all the commotion, thesounds, all the distraction
that's going on.
But that leper, pressed through, fell at Jesus' feet.
Verse 2 says he worshiped andjesus received his faith for the
(09:36):
miracle as worship, and thenthe gentile mother, the woman
whose daughter is demonized,comes to Jesus.
So here you have again culturaldistraction.
Shameful for her to evenapproach Jesus.
Jesus is ignoring her so thatyou have the distraction of her
internal self-consciousness,fear, shame, condemnation.
(10:01):
What she's doing is not okay.
He's not even acknowledging myme being here.
She presses through thatdistraction and and uh, matthew
15, 25 says she worships jesus.
So none of these people weresinging songs.
This had nothing to do withinstrumentation.
It was all heart posture thatwas pressing through the
(10:24):
distractions going on aroundthem and Jesus receives their
act of faith as worship.
These were not obviouslycarefully cultivated and
scripted congregation halls withperfect lighting and sound
systems.
This was real life interactionwith Jesus, filled with chaos
(10:46):
and distraction, but yet theypressed through and worshiped
him.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
One thing that's really important.
I think even that the Lord isdoing like in this generation
and in this season.
I love high praise, I love whenthe instrumentation comes to
like these are wonderful moments, but they can't be what we
(11:11):
build our lives on.
While they're beautiful andthey're important and they have
value, it's the daily givingourselves over to a heart
position of worship thatsustains us for a lifetime of
following him.
It's figuring out how to meethim in the midst of you know,
(11:33):
diaper changes, businessmeetings, traffic that's driving
you nuts, Like he's in thesemoments, and he wants to
encounter us in those momentsand teach us how to have a life
devoted to worshiping him.
It just requires that we layour own preferences down.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Tell that story of how the Lord taught that to you
back in the day.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, so when we first moved to the Middle East,
I was having a really hard time.
You know where we were.
There wasn't really corporateworship.
We were a small group of people.
Even when we were gathering,some was in Arabic, which I
didn't understand.
So I'm trying to find my waythrough it.
(12:16):
And I remember one day you knowthe kids, the boys, were up
very early in the morning.
So I don't have my morning timelike I was used to Everything
changed for me.
I don't have my morning timelike I was used to Everything
changed for me.
I don't have my morning quiettime.
I can't get my plug in at aworship set that sounds
beautiful.
It's like, all of a sudden, allof this is gone, and so I'm
(12:42):
asking the Lord I don't know howto meet with you.
I can't live like this.
How to meet with you?
This isn't I can't live likethis.
And the Lord said why can't youmeet with me when you're
mopping the floor?
Why can't you meet with me whenyou're washing dishes?
I'm here, you're the one that'sover there waiting for me to
show up in some big moment, butI'm here in the daily, and it
(13:05):
really became a challenge of mylife, like I was.
Can I keep talking?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Keep going, man.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I was reading, as I was thinking about this
conversation.
I was thinking about this, thisthing that happens with Isaiah
before he enters into thatpowerful vision with the Lord
that we all have heard.
Woe is me, I'm a man of uncleanlips but prior to that, he sees
(13:32):
this vision of the Lord sittingon a throne, and he's high and
lifted up, and above him are theseraphim.
And the seraphim go out andthey call to each other Holy,
holy.
Holy is the Lord of hosts, thewhole earth is full of his glory
.
Holy is the Lord of hosts, thewhole earth is full of his glory
.
And at that moment, thefoundations of the threshold
shook at the voice of him andthe whole house was full of
(13:56):
smoke.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
What.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
I love is this acknowledgement that the whole
earth is full of his glory, andI think sometimes we don't stop
to think the child that's makinga noise, he's part of the earth
that's full of his glory.
It's available to us if we wouldget over our preferences and
get over ourselves and see.
This whole space is full of hisglory, the voice that's like
(14:22):
choking back tears.
Full of his glory.
If we can see things that way,it makes space for the room, for
the foundations to shake andthe room to fill with smoke.
So good.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So good.
In fact, the language that weuse a lot in our church family
is building him a house that hecan recognize, that he fills
with himself the thing that hefirst recognizes as his own.
He's building a house made ofliving stones family.
So when we come together in thereal mess of family, when it's
(15:00):
real, genuine life and there'spreference for the one whose kid
is maybe fussy, there'spreference for the one whose kid
is maybe fussy, there'spreference for the one who
couldn't arrive on time becausethey had car trouble, there's
preference for the other in themoment of worship, and instead
of becoming offended at thedistraction, instead you worship
(15:25):
through that.
I believe there's somethingabout that that Jesus recognizes
as authentic family, and so hedraws even closer, he draws
nearer, and then begins thisbeautiful cycle of oh my
goodness, the king is in ourmidst on his throne in his house
.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Takes all the pressure off when you realize
that existing is worship andthat the earth worships and that
babies worship Us.
Humans are the ones that putpressure on it.
It wasn't designed to be hardor scary.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It should be the easiest thing that we do.
It's true.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
When we yield to the Lord and allow Him to address
our hearts during the week andeven to make adjustments, then
we get to come together as acommunity and offer Him
something that's authentic.
And I don't do this perfectly.
(16:24):
I mean, you can attest to this.
I for sure do not do itperfectly.
But how you can, in one minute,be harsh with your children in
correcting them and then thenext minute, worship is trying
to come out of that same well,it's that salt water and fresh
water.
Exactly, and so it's.
You know, if during the week,I'm allowing the Lord to examine
(16:48):
my heart and I'm saying I wanteven the way that I correct my
children, it's making a sound.
I get to choose which soundthat it makes.
Is the sound that it makes whenI correct my children worship?
If so, when I build thisthrough the week and I come on
Sunday, what the Lord'sreceiving from me is not made up
(17:10):
.
It's not put on for a day, it'sauthentic.
This is an outflow of the waythat I live my life.
We have to get to that placebecause he deserves so much more
from us.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
He deserves more than Sunday for 30 minutes.
That would be a good definitionof worshiping in truth.
Jesus says the Father desiresthose who worship Him in spirit
and truth.
That authentic, truthfulworship is springing from a
source that throughout the weekhas remained consistently
(17:48):
worshipful.
I had one more thought lastnight when we were at the meal,
I had this realization okay,we're still at worship right now
.
Worship didn't end when thepiano stopped.
Worship continues through tothe table.
We are still worshiping in ourconversation.
(18:09):
That's why.
That's why we pray God evenwhen we speak over the table.
May we speak spiritual thingsdiscerned by spiritual people.
Let us speak prophetically toone another.
Let it be an act of consecratedworship, even in our fellowship
.
So maybe that'll be the.
The next stage of our worshipjourney is really collectively
(18:30):
having this sense of okay, thisis holy.
Yes, we're having fun over foodand we're fellowshipping and
we're getting to know oneanother and catch up and all
that stuff, but it's stillsacred.
God is receiving what we'redoing right now at the table as
a sacred fragrance of worship.
(18:52):
If he could receive a manfilled with a legion of demons
falling at his feet as praise,then how much more redeemed
born-again children of Godgathered around the table
together he's going to receivethat as worship too.
Yeah, that's good Pop quiz,layla.
(19:15):
When's the first time worshipis mentioned in the Bible?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Your face.
Hold on, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Layla, don't put that in, tell her and then do it
again, start over and ask more.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Abraham going up the mountain with Isaac.
The lad and I will go andworship Now.
You'll remember that forever,especially when we put that on
the video.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Why don't you ask again no, because it won't be
authentic.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
This was good.
Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Thank you for having us.
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