August 15, 2025 • 48 mins
Zeke and Terri, a married couple in their 50s, decided that the empty nest wasn’t the end of the adventure... it was just the beginning. After raising kids and building careers, they chose to design a bold new chapter: one filled with travel, curiosity, and embracing the unknown. Through their YouTube channel ,Zeke and Terri’s Midlife Adventures, they inspire others over 50 to explore the world on their own terms, whether that’s boating through the canals of France, navigating a new city, or simply saying “yes” to midlife reinvention.
Terri is also the author of Piloting Your Life, a book for women over 40 who are ready to reclaim their power and design and live a life of their own creation. She’s spoken on midlife transformation, entrepreneurship, and disrupting the status quo for GenX women.
Their story resonates with GenXers, empty nesters, and midlife dreamers who want more freedom, fun, and purpose. And after nearly divorcing after 25 years of marriage, they accidentally rebooted their relationship through sex, honesty, and a willingness to rewrite their own rules. That unexpected intimacy opened the door to more joy, adventure, and alignment than they ever imagined.
They bring humor, vulnerability, and real-life experience to conversations about freedom, relationships, aging boldly, and what it means to live life unapologetically. If you enjoy real talk about reinvention and what's possible in the second half of life, take a listen to this conversation.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to the Travel Addict Podcast.
Your host and fellow traveladdict, Malcolm Teesdale, is
here to take you into the heartof the world's most fascinating
destinations.
He talks with passionateglobetrotters and fearless
explorers who share their wildjourneys and cultural insights
from around the world.
Or sometimes he just chats byhimself, describing enriching
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travel experiences.
So buckle up and let's hit theroad, because the world is
calling and we're answering.
SPEAKER_03 (00:28):
Hello, everybody, the travel addict here, who
happens to be Malcolm Teesdale.
With me today have a lovelycouple, Zeke and Terry Meade,
from Redwood, California.
And they've been through a lot,but they've got some great
stories to tell.
And it may set the groundworkfor a few listeners out there as
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well.
Because they're married, they'vebeen in the 50s, and they're
empty nesters.
And what they did decided to dowas to not say reinvent
themselves, but to get out oftown more, travel more.
Isn't that right?
Hi there, by the way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (01:04):
Not only not only just travel, but we decided to
launch a business aroundtraveling to inspire other empty
nester, midlifer, 50 plus uhpeople to get out, get
uncomfortable and go adventure.
SPEAKER_03 (01:16):
There you go.
It's funny when I when I lookedat this, because many years ago
I wrote a book called TheMidlife Crisis Continues.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
Oh.
SPEAKER_03 (01:25):
And it's it's funny because it is all about this the
need to travel more and more.
And you know, some of the peopleI know just they question my
sanity when I tell them whereI'm going half the time.
But anyway, um so basically theemptiness syndrome, whatever it
means, because you have you hadchildren, they've grown up and
they've gone to college, right?
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They've grown up.
SPEAKER_05 (01:47):
So well, we have we have one who's uh just about to
start their senior year ofcollege, and then our oldest
graduated from college two yearsago and is about to embark on
his master's degree inphilosophy at San Francisco
State.
So he's actually moved backhome, but that's proving to be
incredibly convenient becausenow we can travel and not worry
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about the house, the dog, andthe cat.
And uh we can just go, okay,we're gone for six, seven weeks,
and we don't have to worry aboutboarding George, our emptiness
puppy, or um, someone takingcare of our 17-year-old cat.
SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Well, what did you do before he moved back in with
you then?
SPEAKER_05 (02:26):
Oh, we enjoyed empty nesting.
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Oh with the cat with the dog, I mean.
SPEAKER_05 (02:31):
Okay, well, the the the dog, um, we have an
incredible ranch that Georgewould go to, or we would um have
someone we would use trustedhouse sitter, and we would have
a trusted house sitter come in.
So last fall when we were gone,he was our son was still in
Denver.
So we were gone, gosh, we weregone for six weeks, home for a
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couple of days, and then we weregone for another six weeks.
And so we had a house sittercome in, and this lovely couple
took care of George, took careof the cat, and took care of the
house.
So if we're gone for more thanI'd say three weeks, then we'll
do a trusted house sitter, orum, otherwise George will go to
the ranch.
SPEAKER_03 (03:09):
Yeah, go to the ranch, all right.
Okay.
I just wondered because I boughtpets many years ago, but when I
went away somewhere, came back,especially the cat, didn't want
to have anything to do with mefor a few days.
Like he just got uh upset.
How dare you leave me here?
You know?
SPEAKER_05 (03:25):
Well, one of our cats um has chosen to live on
the street behind us becausehe's really pissed off at us.
SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
Yeah, there you go.
They get over it in the end,don't they?
SPEAKER_03 (03:35):
Yeah, I hope.
SPEAKER_05 (03:37):
Hopefully he'll come back.
Hopefully he'll come back.
SPEAKER_03 (03:40):
All right, so you found you got outside to get out
of towel, which is a wonderfulthing to do, and then that you
had this need to exploredifferent places in the world.
In fact, um, you've heard ofRick Steves, haven't you?
SPEAKER_04 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:52):
Yeah, he he just made a comment the other day.
In fact, I I didn't hear it onTV, I read about it, and Rick
Steve made the comment aboutwhat did he say?
About the need for Americans totravel more.
SPEAKER_04 (04:02):
Yes, he did.
SPEAKER_03 (04:04):
It's very important.
Um, because a lot of peopleknow, yeah, I you're right, I'm
a Brit, by the way, but I'vebeen living in America half half
my life.
So I'm bilingual, of course,now.
But there is a need because um alarge percentage of Americans
still don't have passports or oractive passports, but I try and
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you know, preach, get out oftown more, learn about how the
rest of the world works.
And that's what you've beendoing, right?
So um, what was the last thingyou did though?
Where where were you last timeyou went out of town?
SPEAKER_05 (04:38):
Well, before I answer uh answer that, so I
wasn't a huge fan of Rick Stevesuntil I saw him talking last
year during the election cycle,where he was talking about the
importance of traveling, gettingout and meeting other people,
uh, learning about othercultures, learning that what we
may get super myopic about,about living in our particular
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space, how important it is.
And he's gotten more and morevocal about it.
So after I heard that, when wewere in Munich last year, um, we
started listening to some of hislittle audio travel guides.
And I've since become a hugefan.
I thought it was just for likepeople our parents' age, but now
I'm like a full supporter.
And when we were in Prague, wealso listened to one of his
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things.
So props to Rick Steves ontrying to advocate to his
broader audience the importanceof developing empathy and
understanding through travel.
So we're huge fans.
Huge fans.
SPEAKER_03 (05:34):
Okay.
You know, I haven't watched manyof his programs actually.
I don't watch much TV these daysbecause it's mostly depressing.
I always read the news anyway.
So I do watch travel programsmore than anything because uh
just get ideas and uh look lookat uh some of nature's wonders.
But uh yeah, I probably need tolook at him a bit more.
But I used to watch um AnthonyBourdain as well a lot and uh
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those guys and and Daniel.
SPEAKER_05 (05:56):
Yeah, well, Rig Steve's audio guides, if you're
just dropping into a city forthe first time, especially if
you're totally jet jet lag,because we dropped into Munich
last year and um the time zonedifference, we it takes us a
week to adjust to jet lag now.
And um, it was like the perfectpace to be able to explore
stuff.
So um yeah, we don't we don'twatch really any TV.
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So we're with you.
And as for our last trip, wespent um, we got back in the end
of May, middle of end of May.
We got back from a seven-weektrip to to Europe.
Um, we started in Paris for my55th birthday, where we were
meeting up with our youngest whowas doing a semester abroad in
Paris.
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And then we took the train downto Bordeaux, which we absolutely
love, and we did a home exchangethere for four weeks where we
were living, yeah, we wereliving and working.
We had a co-work locationbecause the Wi-Fi at our place,
the location of the place thatwe were at was fantastic, but
the Wi-Fi was terrible.
So we found a local co-workingspace that had great Wi-Fi.
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And we could go, we could meetpeople, and that was that was
actually really great.
After four weeks in Bordeaux,our youngest had wrapped up
their semester, so they met usin um uh medicine Bordeaux, and
we went over to um Narbonne.
Was it Narbonne no Nîmes becausewe went to Bellegarde, we rented
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a boat um on the Canal deRhône-Asset, and the three of us
piloted the boat through theCanal de Rhône-Asset, the Aetong
de Toe, and the Canal de Midi.
And then we uh left the boat,rented a car in um in Narbonne,
and we drove through the HautePyrenees and then to San
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Sebastian, Bilbao, and then wedropped our kid off um at a
train station, and then we madeour way to Zurich to go visit
some friends before we were wewere absolutely exhausted,
wrapped up our training.
I can imagine.
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
How did you get to Zurich though?
SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
We took the train.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03 (08:01):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (08:03):
We took the train from, we dropped the car in
Bordeaux, and we took the trainfrom Bordeaux to Paris, and then
we had to make our way acrosstown from one train station to
the other in like 25 minutes.
That was insanity.
And then uh we took a five and ahalf hour train um to Zurich.
That was a long that was a verylong day.
SPEAKER_03 (08:23):
You know what?
That's the beauty of uh placesin Europe.
They have uh good publictransport systems and with
trains.
So um you know, I I go back toEngland which once a year to see
family and friends, and uh I Iuse a train whenever I can, even
because they even stop at somesmall villages as well now.
So it's it's pr it's prettygood, you know.
It's a good way to travel.
And did Italy a few years agowhen uh um after visiting
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Venice, just took the train downto Rome, then on to Florence,
you know.
SPEAKER_05 (08:51):
Oh, you went you went down and then back up.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Uh yeah, well, basically, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was a good thing to dobecause we had a of where do we
fly?
I can't remember.
It's a few years ago, but butyeah, I went to all three of
those cities.
But um, yeah, I mean, uh it it'sall good.
What's your feeling about Europethese days, anyway?
Because you've been there morethan once or twice, haven't you?
SPEAKER_05 (09:11):
We yeah, we counted.
I've been to Paris ten times.
Um, we're now going to Europeabout twice a year.
Um what's our feeling about it?
Um, we wish that we could pullmore things from there to the
United States um in terms ofsocialized medicine, public
transportation, you know, caringabout more than the almighty
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dollar.
Um we yeah, I I absolutely loveEurope, Zeke.
SPEAKER_00 (09:40):
Yeah, I think it speaking to Rick Steve's uh
comment, it's all aboutperspective.
So, you know, we've born andraised in Northern California,
and we know that we're in aplace that's not normal.
Um and so we go to these otherplaces to try and you know get a
either a reality check or tounderstand how different parts
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of the world live.
And then even then, sometimeswhen we're in a place like a
Paris or a London, we'll need toget outside of that bubble to
places like Bordeaux, which wereally enjoy, which are you know
a fraction of the size.
And then even when we're in aBordeaux, you'll be in this, you
know, the hotspot tourism zonefor that.
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And we'll make instead ofeverybody who's going left, make
a right turn and go two blocksoff and try and get a feel for
you know the subset of Bordeaux.
Um, and those are theperspectives that I look for
when I'm there.
I don't need to go uh, you know,the top 10 uh video of where to
go in Bordeaux that's just AI.
I'm not interested in that.
(10:44):
Well, I enjoy some of thoseparts, but I like to move off
and go see.
Yeah, off the path.
Yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER_05 (10:49):
And he brings up, he brings up something that's
really that I I think isimportant to us is that when we
go and travel wherever we go, wedon't expect it to be like where
we are.
So um while we were disappointedin the internet in Bordeaux at
the place, the the challenge waswe had videos to produce, we had
content to produce, we neededinternet access also to manage
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our life.
And it was a matter of, okay,this isn't great.
What's what can we do next?
Um, or the we know things closeon Sundays in France and in you
know other parts of Europe.
And so we like to find ways toadjust to whatever the local way
of life is.
We feel that that's good for us,it's good for us as humans, it's
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good for neural pathways aswe're aging.
And we try really, really hardnot to go with a sense of
entitlement.
We feel like we are guests inother people's cities and
countries, et cetera.
And we try to meet them wherethey're at rather than expecting
them to meet um us.
We feel very, very privileged tobe able to go to all these
people.
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
So the correct attitude and meet and meet all
these people.
SPEAKER_05 (11:56):
So when some people say, Oh my gosh, I've been to
France and people were terrible,terrible, and I'm like, oh my
gosh, did you not, you know, didyou even try to say bonjour or
merci or au revoir?
You know, I walk in and I say,Je suis désolé, je parle un peu
foncé, comme vous parlezlentement, je, je comprends
peut-être.
And people are like, and I'mlike, no, no, no, no, slow down,
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slow down, slow down.
But even making that effortopens up doors, and we have
these like amazingopportunities, because I'll
pretty much talk to anybody, andZeke will go along with most of
my mad ideas.
And we just, I mean, we makefriends around the world.
So, how do we feel about Europeright now?
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We're a little envious right nowabout how things are playing out
in other parts.
I mean, it's not perfect, butno, no, no, it's but it's
educational honestly.
SPEAKER_03 (12:48):
You know, you get used to the culture there.
I know there's a lot of uh insome cities, uh, Paris is one of
them.
I think Barcelona's a lookpushback on the amount of
tourists going there.
Yeah.
And I I I get that.
SPEAKER_04 (12:58):
Um we do too.
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
I think what you mentioned, Zeke, about going to
places where it's tooovercrowded, you just want to
and don't really want to bearound millions of people like
that.
And when we when I went toVenice a few years ago, that was
the same thing there as well.
And I I did not enjoy it, to behonest with you.
So, you know, it's just becausethere's too many people there,
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:19):
And uh we're fortunate in that we get to
travel in the shoulder seasons,which have gotten have have have
gotten further and further out.
I think we were in April andMay, and it was already I mean,
we we spent 45 minutes in theLouvre, and I said, I'm done.
I'm done.
I can't do this anymore.
I gotta get out of here.
Uh because it was just packed.
And so, but at the same time, wecan then go find a little
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neighborhood in Paris that is aneighborhood in Paris that's not
where any of the tourists go,and we can enjoy that
experience.
So those are the things that welike to look at.
SPEAKER_05 (13:49):
Well, and the thing, but the thing about that is I I
wonder if we've traveled so muchthat we're comfortable taking
the quote unquote risk of stepstepping off the beaten path.
Those because we are fortunateenough to be able to travel
fairly frequently, we don't haveto make it so that um whatever
our trip is or our um voyages,it doesn't have to be perfect.
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You know, it's so so we stay inthe 14th Arendis Mont instead of
in the premier or in theSaint-Germain.
And if the place that we'restaying at isn't perfect, it's
not gonna ruin our trip becausewe know that there are gonna be
other good things about thetrip, or we're going to have
another one to be like, okay,well, that was something that
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was interesting to learn about.
That's another thing, is that wetry to learn from whatever it is
that we're doing, kind of likethe last trip where we ended our
trip with fast travel.
This next trip that we're goingon, um uh September 10th, we fly
to Munich together for twonights.
And then Zeke's gonna cycle fromMunich to Venice with his
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buddies for two weeks.
And I'm gonna go to Strasbourg,France by myself for two weeks,
so I can immerse and work on myFrench and go to all the museums
I want without dragging himalong.
And uh that's great.
SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
You can actually do that.
You don't have to be around eachother 24 hours a day.
SPEAKER_05 (15:11):
Yeah, well, we spend we spend a lot of time together.
And then so that'll be busy twoweeks, and then we're gonna meet
up in Lyon, rent a car, and thenwe're gonna drive around central
France and look the LoireValley.
We haven't fully figured thatout yet, but that's still fast
travel.
And then drop the car in Lyon,and then we have a home exchange
for three weeks in Lyon so thatwe can be in one place.
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Um, we'll do like day trips toDijon, Dijon and down to De La
Fide to visit some friends, butwe're like, okay, maybe we'll be
less exhausted at the end.
So from every trip that we goon, we learn something new and
we see all of it as anadventure.
If something goes wrong, we'renot like so disappointed because
it's the only week a year thatwe have to travel.
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So we feel we feel veryfortunate to be able to do that
as well.
SPEAKER_03 (16:01):
Well, when you go to say you're upcoming uh to
Munich, you fly direct out ofSan Francisco?
SPEAKER_05 (16:08):
Yeah, so they're there, yeah.
There we we can go to Paris,Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich,
Rome, London.
Those are like the direct spot,um direct flights.
And um flying, we were I knew wewere gonna want to spend time in
France.
He was gonna have to get toMunich for this ride.
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And it turned out the flightdirect to Munich was the least
expensive.
We love Munich, and um we'regonna be jet lagged anyway.
And it is we found that it wasthe easiest airport to navigate
through.
SPEAKER_03 (16:40):
We yeah, I it is.
I I I find that I because I'vebeen through Frankfurt a couple
of times, and that that isconfusing as hell.
SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
Frankfurt's terrible, but but yeah, so we'll
we'll fly.
Yeah, we'll fly direct toMunich.
SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
Yeah, well that's gotta be about a nine-hour
flight, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05 (16:58):
Oh, it's 11 and a half, eleven.
SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
Oh my word.
SPEAKER_05 (17:01):
So yeah, no, it's it's a beast.
SPEAKER_03 (17:03):
Knackered when you get there, the old English term.
So yeah, and jet lag comes intoplay, doesn't it?
And uh time zone must be ninehours different, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05 (17:11):
Yeah, it's a nine-hour difference.
So it takes us upwards of sixdays.
Zeke does better on the cyclingtrips, so he will probably be in
better shape because he'll getmoving.
Um, it'll be harder on mebecause I will be taking um the
train from uh Munich toStrasbourg.
Typically, we just each of usjust have a backpack and a
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roller bag, and that's all wetake for seven weeks.
But because he can't take hisrollerbag on the bike, I will be
taking that and I have to changetrain.
So I guess that'll be mymovement to keep me away.
SPEAKER_03 (17:46):
Well, your suitcase has got wheels on.
You could tie it to the back ofyour belt, couldn't you?
Ba bike I mean, drag it alongthe road there.
unknown (17:53):
Sure.
SPEAKER_05 (17:53):
Or going up and down the mountains and all the
altitude lines.
SPEAKER_03 (17:58):
I know it's just anything's possible.
So when you're away, because yougo away for an extended period
of time, do you work?
SPEAKER_05 (18:07):
Well, yes, we do work.
Um, so I've pretty much closedout my consulting um with life
sciences with IT strategy and ITcompliance.
And this is our new job.
So Zeke and Terry Adventures isour new job.
So we are probably How is it ajob, by the way?
SPEAKER_03 (18:23):
I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_05 (18:25):
Well, it's it's we consider it a startup.
So we're putting all the moneyin.
Uh, we're not generating revenuequite yet, but the goal is to
generate revenue from ourYouTube channel, um, get
sponsors, and ultimately do paidspeaking engagements around the
world.
So there is a revenue, a revenuepath to this so that we're out
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and about traveling, we'recapturing content.
So we're capturing videos.
So Zeke captures all thelandscape video from either his
phone or the um GoPro.
And then I capture all thephotos, horizontal, uh, I mean
vertical video for TikTok,Instagram, and YouTube Shorts.
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And then I do contribute some aswell.
So we're creating content.
So when we are out and about,we're pushing content out.
We may not sometimes we'll bedoing the bigger videos because
we do release uh uh um a bigvideo every other week.
We do minis on the alternatingweeks, and then every day we do
Instagram posts, and then whilewe're traveling, we'll do
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YouTube shorts.
SPEAKER_03 (19:29):
Okay, then you just post them on YouTube.
SPEAKER_05 (19:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (19:32):
Oh, okay.
So that's good.
And um maybe I don't know ifyou've got sponsors, but it
people look at it, obviously,and all that.
And I don't know if you youadvertise on that, but it
doesn't matter.
But you're doing that, that'swhat you want to do, right?
SPEAKER_05 (19:46):
Yeah, so yeah, because a couple of years, so um
we nearly got divorced aboutfour and a half years ago and
accidentally rebooted ourrelationship.
And as we rebuilt it, we we werereally looking for what is it
that brings us together?
We're very, very differentpeople.
You know, we'll joke that um,you know, he's REI, people know
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what that is.
He's outdoorsy REI, and I'm likemuseum, culture, language.
And so one thing that we sharein common is travel.
So when we were trying to figureout what to do next, as I was
wrapping up my consulting andum, you know, uh I still, I
mean, I still write and do stuffaround midlife to support women
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uh and encourage women over theage of 40 to design and live a
life of their own creation.
So I've got that that I stillhave going on.
But it was like, well, what ifwe launched a YouTube channel
around our travel to inspireother people to get out?
And I say, get out, getuncomfortable, a go adventure.
So this is now our job.
SPEAKER_03 (20:48):
Yeah.
Well, excellent.
Um you you're doing exactly whatyou want to do.
But uh yeah, the one thing aboutobviously traveling is the
educational.
You mentioned something earlieron, um, especially France and
Spain and sound.
They're excellent healthcaresystems over there, according to
the World Health Organization.
So, you know, it fits uh it'sit's on the state and uh it's
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good quality as well.
So um it's all over in placeswhere it's pretty expensive here
in the United States, supposedto be able to pay insurance,
right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (21:20):
So uh Yeah, and and I'm uh we're self-employed, so I
you know I have an LLC that Irun things through, but yeah, we
pay for it.
It's not like we rely onemployers or the government or
our health insurance.
SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I as I say to people, youknow, it depends wherever you go
in the world, it doesn't matterwhere we live.
But like the United States, youlive in the United States
because you want to live here,but it doesn't mean they're the
best at everything they do.
You know, some countries dothings better than we do.
And uh, you know, it I I've gota um a a gig, I do public
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speaking gigs.
And I've got something coming upin Norway or and Europe in uh
actually next month.
And but you know, do you knowwhat's the safest country in the
world today?
SPEAKER_05 (22:13):
Is it Iceland or Finland or Iceland.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Finland's the happiest country in the world.
Iceland's the safest one.
But it's all all these the theworld indexes stuff.
I have to do a talk on thisstuff actually.
So uh yeah, it's it'sinteresting, but it's it's
surprising when you tell peoplethis, all these statistics, you
know, highest IQ, the um cost ofliving, um diplomacy, lease crop
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countries.
There's so many statistics outthere to look at, and it's it's
really uh quite uh educationalto learn who does what best in
the world.
So it's all good.
And um anyway, um you you'redoing what you're doing.
Uh so you'll keep on traveling.
So you're when you're going upto Europe again in September,
did you say?
SPEAKER_05 (22:57):
Yeah, September for seven weeks.
And then and then we'll be home.
SPEAKER_03 (23:01):
Yeah, where are you going to be concentrating,
staying over there?
Did you say?
SPEAKER_05 (23:04):
Mainly in the places you're familiar with Munich and
uh so well Zeke will tell youabout his cycling.
I'll be in Munich.
SPEAKER_03 (23:10):
Oh, cycling, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (23:11):
Strasbourg.
We're still trying to figure outour our um 10 days in like
central France in the LoireValley.
I haven't been back to the LoireValley since I graduated high
school.
And then we'll be in Lyon.
So for me, it's mostly France.
But for you, where are yougoing, Zeke?
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Yeah, so we're doing uh very we're we're still
ironing out the details, and itmight change if the weather
changes.
Uh, but we leave out of Munichand we go up, I believe, kind of
through Innsbruck a little bit,and then we get to a decision
point whether we stay in thevalley and go around, or we do
the Stelbio climb and then theuh Bormio climb, uh, which are
two famous uh really high uhpasses that people with the
(23:50):
switchbacks, you know, you seethe pictures with just miles and
miles of that.
Um and so we'll see how it goesat that point in time and uh how
my legs are feeling.
Uh, and then we'll drop down onthe other side through Verona
and then hang a left and uh headover to Venice.
SPEAKER_03 (24:06):
Venice, excellent.
I've got an idea for you becauseyou brought it best, and it's a
place not many people thinkabout going to in Europe.
It's actually super Ljubljana inSlovenia.
Think about that.
It uh Panza flies there directfrom uh they do Frank from
Frankfurt directly, but uh it'sa lovely place.
(24:26):
I'm just staying the old townthere.
It's just lovely.
SPEAKER_05 (24:29):
We will we will put that so yeah, we've been
listening to, or I've beenlistening to the Villains and
Burgeons podcast, and I've beenlistening to like things around
the crusade and the Normans andthe Franks.
So our spring trip right now,we're looking at um Sicily,
Greece, um uh Tunisia andCroatia, because we haven't hit
(24:50):
any of those.
I can't believe I'm gonna go toEurope and I'm not gonna go to
France, but that's that's that'sokay.
Um, yeah, we have a couple offriends who are Greek and
they're like, Terry, I can'tbelieve you've never been to
Greece.
And I'm like, I I know, I know.
So so that's the spring trip.
And then we're thinking the falltrip is gonna be um Scandinavia.
We watched um The Long Way Homewith you and McGregor.
(25:13):
And when we were our youngestdid two semesters abroad last
year.
So the first semester they werein Stockholm and the second in
Paris, and we loved Stockholm.
We were so surprised at how muchwe loved Stockholm.
Talk about great publictransportation.
Oh my god, we loved the theferries and the the trams and
(25:33):
the trains and the buses.
I mean, the publictransportation was just amazing
there.
SPEAKER_03 (25:37):
Yeah, I'll be I'll be there next month again.
And did you stay, did you stayin Stockholm, by the way?
SPEAKER_05 (25:41):
We stayed in Stockholm, yes.
SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Did you stay in the old town Gamblestan or did you
No?
SPEAKER_05 (25:46):
We went to Gamelistan, but we were just
right across in um uh older mom.
Oh we were just a hop skin in ajob.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Oh yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (25:57):
So it wasn't Sodermall.
Soder mom.
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Frankies?
SPEAKER_05 (26:03):
Anyway, wherever it was, um we were we were within
walking distance to so much,including public transportation,
which which we loved.
But we loved Stockholm when wewanted to go back, and our two
most popular videos of our youknow, 110 long form videos are
the ones from Stockholm.
We had so many people send usnotes to were from Stockholm and
(26:26):
Sweden to say, hey, it's obvioushow much you loved our city.
Uh please come back, please dothis, please do that.
Um, and so I was a poorest, yes,let's go back.
It was very popular and we lovedit.
SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
It is a cool place, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (26:40):
My my maiden name is Hansen, so I'm Norwegian, and um
I think Zeke has some Dane inhim.
So we want to go check outDenmark, um, go back to other
parts of Sweden.
Um where um well there's aNorway.
SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
Yeah, there's a little a smaller boat cruise you
can do up uh from Oslo all theway up to the Arctic Circle, and
then you can fly back.
It's one of the mailboats thatstops off um that's been
recommended as well.
SPEAKER_05 (27:09):
So we're yeah, so we're thinking about that.
I love Talon Estonia, and Zekehasn't been there.
And I also love Helsinki.
SPEAKER_02 (27:14):
That's a great place.
Isn't it pretty?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (27:17):
Yeah, and then I love Helsinki as well, but I've
only been there like at the endof um November, beginning of
December for um a conferencecalled Slush.
It's for startup founders andinvestors.
So as an angel investor, I wenttwice, you know, where they have
like four hours of daylight, butI was in a conference.
So um I want I want Zeke to seeHelsinki and Talon.
(27:37):
So I think we're gonna try towrap those into that trip.
Um, and that would be, yeah,that would be next fall, and
that would probably be a six orseven-week trip.
SPEAKER_03 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Talon also, if you get you inthe neighborhood, go to Vilnius
in uh Lithuania.
Yeah, superb because I I spent afew days there.
Shocked me.
It's very artsy there, and Ijust remember sitting outside at
night in the bar and the thesymphony orchestra playing out
in the big square there.
Wow.
Super, but uh lovely people,everything's uh Vilnius is good.
(28:08):
But um, yeah, I'm gonna be uhI'm off to go down the Caribbean
for a week or two, and then offto uh Scandinavia.
I'm talking on a biking cruise,and it goes up in the the Fiords
area, which is nice.
But I tell you what, this isjust me.
After the cruise is finished, Iam going to go to the most
northerly human settlement inthe world.
SPEAKER_05 (28:30):
Is that Svalbard or that's it?
SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
Sabalmad.
SPEAKER_05 (28:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:34):
Yeah, and uh I'm gonna spend a few days there,
and uh there's only in Long YeahBien is uh the town there, it's
the most northerly settlement inthe world, and there's only
about 1200 people live there.
SPEAKER_05 (28:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
There's more polar bears there than there are
humans.
SPEAKER_05 (28:50):
I think I think um Ewan McGregor and his buddy went
there in um so I don't know ifyou know the Long Way Home, they
ride motorcycles and theystarted in the UK someplace and
then went all the way up andthen back down uh and back
around uh to the UK.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
And um highlight of the series was their coverage of
Scandinavia.
It was just gorgeous.
SPEAKER_05 (29:13):
Yeah, I mean, so so smallbard might be on our list,
might not be.
I mean, it's a matter of time.
I mean, there's so many amazingplaces, and it's and it's like
how fast do you actually want tomove?
And if we want to sink intolocal life, we can't be changing
hotels every single night.
SPEAKER_03 (29:29):
No, uh exactly.
And it it it it's bothers me toto check in and three days and
check out.
It's it's uh yeah, it's toughsometimes, isn't it?
So uh that's all right, but butI guess with me is it it again
the midlife crisis continues,the more silly not silly things,
but the more adventurous stuff Ilike doing.
So I've got to go here just tomix with the people there, you
(29:52):
know.
And there's certain rules andregulations in Saddamad.
You're not allowed to die there.
You can't give birth there.
SPEAKER_05 (29:59):
Well, good.
I mean, that's a forbidden.
SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
And and if you leave a settlement, you have to take a
rifle with you.
Polar bears.
SPEAKER_05 (30:07):
Yeah, polar bears.
SPEAKER_03 (30:08):
That's it.
So anyway, it's it's it's it'squirky, but it's just you know,
one of those things.
But it's gorgeous up therebecause it's all in the fields,
and Saw Albard is one of theseplaces where you get to see the
northern lights during daylighthours.
SPEAKER_05 (30:21):
I can't even imagine what that would be like.
SPEAKER_03 (30:23):
Yeah.
You can imagine.
Anyway, it's it's all aboutanyway, that that's about me.
But I think what you're doing isgreat because you you're getting
over to uh York.
There's so much to see overthere, you know, isn't that?
You know, and you've you've beento the Baltics, which is great,
but there's so much more.
And you keep wanting to go back,you see.
You're you're hooked, aren'tyou?
Yeah, you see.
SPEAKER_05 (30:43):
Oh, uh yeah, absolutely hooked.
Um, you know, people get on meabout wanting to go back to
France.
And it's like, but it's there'sso much, so many different
places to see and things to doin France.
It isn't a matter of just going,you know, yes, I go back to
Paris fairly frequently, butit's for a couple of days and
then then I branch out.
And it's always, you know, Ihear people have been to like 99
(31:05):
different countries.
It's like, yeah, but how deepdid you dive into the countries
that you're in?
Exactly.
And they're just differentapproaches to it.
And I'm a can, you know,admittedly, I'm a Francophile.
And as we talk about our, youknow, in our channel, it's like,
okay, we want to be known forour understanding and travel in
(31:25):
France and in California.
So we're the France, American,France, and California
specialists, but we do go otherplaces as as well.
But my heart will always bringus back to France.
SPEAKER_03 (31:37):
France.
Yeah.
Do you speak fluent French now,Terry?
SPEAKER_05 (31:41):
No, I'm working with a tutor.
I mean, after all these years, II can I sound like a very slow
five-year-old when I talk.
I know a lot of words.
I'm working on my filling theholes of my grammar, but I can
have conversations.
And the more that I'm there,like when we were in Bordeaux,
my French got really.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
And I have to say, going back to our earlier
comments, the even at a slowfive-year-old, people absolutely
love talking to her becauseshe's A, trying, uh, and B,
she's uh an American and theywant to learn and they want to
practice their English with usas well.
Exactly.
It's really a workbook ways.
Yeah.
And so when we have theseconversations with folks, and
(32:21):
then we talk to people who goand they say, Oh, well, the
French, they're so this, that,and the other thing, we're like,
yeah, we don't we don'texperience that because we've
got a different approach.
SPEAKER_05 (32:30):
Um, and so one of the other reasons why we go to
certain places kind of over andover again is it's important to
me to learn enough of thelanguage to have some small
conversations with people.
So before we went to Italy lastyear, I and before I took, we
took, I took my son or our sonafter he graduated from college,
I studied Italian so that I wasable to have some small
(32:51):
conversations in Italian.
When we go to Mexico, we go toSpain, I work on my Spanish.
If I before I went to Germany, Iworked on some German.
And um, I've been hesitant to goto other countries because it's
important to me to try to havesome language capacity to be
able to communicate with people.
And honestly, my brain can onlyhold so much.
(33:12):
So I'm trying to let go of thator find the balance in that so
that I don't feel so I feel likethe world can open up more and I
don't limit myself or limit usinto where to go because it's
like, oh my God, I can onlylearn so many languages so fast.
SPEAKER_03 (33:27):
Yeah, we can, but there is it's quite uh um well,
it's excellent.
You have to learn in theselanguages.
It's funny, look, growing up inEngland, um, when I went to high
school, French was mandatory atschool.
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Sure.
SPEAKER_03 (33:40):
And uh so there you go.
I I don't know if that's thecase these days, but uh of
course I've since forgotten it.
SPEAKER_05 (33:45):
But that's that's well, I mean, we've we've known
each we've known each othersince we were 10.
And so we went to junior high inhigh school together.
And so we were actually inFrench class together in high
school with Monsieur Weben.
Um yeah.
So Zeke Zeke knows on this lasttrip, you actually tried a lot
more.
You did really, really well.
SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
I think the only way I'm gonna learn is through
immersion.
Uh, you know, I can't sit andlisten to uh do Duolingo and
those types of things.
It my brain just doesn't workthat way.
But if I can sit there and Ihear it enough and I can start
to pick out when I'm listeningto her talk to somebody, I can
go, oh, I've heard that word.
That must mean, or you're it'scontextual then.
You're in the grocery store.
(34:27):
Okay, we're talking about thevegetables, we're talking about
uh foodstuffs of some sort.
So that's the only way I'm gonnalearn.
SPEAKER_05 (34:33):
But the door, interesting doors that have
opened up.
We did a home exchange in 2015.
We did two weeks in Paris andthree weeks of Provence, and
went into um a rec uh restaurantin Carpentras and ended up
because I was like, sorry, Ionly speak a little bit of
French.
He came over and he was like,Where are you from?
We're like California.
And he says, Oh, your daughteris the same age.
(34:55):
Um uh our child is nownon-binary, but at this night at
the time they were our daughter.
And they're like, Oh, ourdaughter Pearl is the same age.
My wife is here, come over andmeet.
So we ended up having thisconversation that was part
French, part English.
They ended up inviting us to adinner at their house where
there were 10 other people.
(35:16):
Um, there was a famous Americanum expat who lives in France who
wrote, who did cookbooks andwrote for the New York Times
there.
There was uh somebody who was acircus owner, there was somebody
who was a local TV star.
And we got invited to, becausewe were there, we were looking
at each other like, why are wehere?
(35:38):
This is like really amazing.
Um, we got invited to thecircus.
So we went to go to the circus,our tickets were comped.
We got to go pet the elephantsand had just the most amazing.
We we just kept pinchingourselves, going, is this is
this real?
All because I said, you know,I'm sorry, I only speak a little
bit of French, and then that itit just opened, opened up.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
Open the door.
It's it's good.
I I get asked this all the time.
They said, Malcolm, you mustspeak a lot of foreign
languages.
And I tell them I speak five.
Impressed, eh?
English, American, Canadian,Australian, and the language of
New Zealand.
SPEAKER_05 (36:16):
Is that cheating?
I think that's cheating.
SPEAKER_03 (36:18):
Yeah, it's uh well I I had to say something, right?
So it sort of breaks the ice.
But no, I it's just uh I thinkit's a little bit b uh different
back then.
I I mean, if I was growing upagain a young age, I'd probably
make a a bigger point inlearning a foreign language, but
it doesn't matter, you know.
And most of the most of theworld speaks English anyway
today, yeah.
(36:39):
And I said to people, whereveryou go in the world, there's
always two words that everyonewill know English.
That's taxi and beer.
SPEAKER_05 (36:49):
Uh yeah, maybe not what I I'd be champagne, yeah,
probably champagne.
SPEAKER_03 (36:54):
Yeah, I know.
It's all good though.
But uh you you're doing a lot,you continue to travel, and uh
you know, uh uh I'm I'm not wantto ask about your age, but you
said you're in the in the 50s,you're 50s.
SPEAKER_05 (37:06):
We're 55.
Yeah, we're both 55.
SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
Okay, yeah, okay, but you've got lots of years
ahead of you, and I can bet younow as you get close to 60,
you'll become a little bit moreadventurous, and you'll do yeah,
even more so.
I think so.
Because Zeke, you do someclimbing and hiking stuff, don't
(37:29):
you?
SPEAKER_00 (37:29):
Biking and all that.
I do, I do, and I I like to tellfolks because we'll get stopped
when we're on our trips.
There's basically four, three orfour of us that do these trips
together consistently.
I think we've done 10 now aroundthe world.
SPEAKER_05 (37:40):
The cycle the cycling trips.
SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
The cycling trips.
Yeah.
And people will stop us, orwe'll be someplace and we'll be
talking to them and we'll tellthem about our last trip.
And they'll say to us, oh,someday I want to do that.
And we immediately stop.
I don't know how many times I'veheard this, and I go, Don't wait
for someday.
Someday's never gonna come.
You got to do it.
Exactly.
And at the same time, we do havethe word adventure in our
YouTube channel, Zeke andTerry's Adventures.
(38:04):
Um, but we like to defineadventure as whatever it is that
puts you outside of your comfortzone.
Yeah, so if that is taking apublic bus or the public uh
public transit of some sort,which you don't usually do, to a
new place that you haven'treally been to, but it's in your
backyard, that is an adventure.
And you start to start to pushyourself a little bit just
outside your comfort zone.
(38:25):
Um, and then next thing youknow, yes, you could be um in
Australia riding a bike throughuh the Snowy River uh valley or
whatever.
SPEAKER_05 (38:35):
Yeah, and and the getting more adventurous, the
the other thing is that on thislast trip, um my knee was
hurting.
Um, and this is the first timeI've had anything slow me down.
I'm pretty much your energizerbunny.
Um, but tennis, um, running andsoccer or football have finally
caught up with me, and I have ameniscus issue and
(38:56):
osteoarthritis on my knee.
And um I didn't realize it atthe time.
Normally we walk 25,000, 30,000steps a day, and we were limited
to like eight to 15.
And I could see in the videos aswe're producing them the days
that I wasn't sleeping becausemy knee hurt.
And I was like, what have Idone?
Well, it turns out I need apartial knee replacement.
So come December, um, I'm I Igave I met with surgeons and I'm
(39:21):
like, okay, here's the windowof, you know, I teach a class
through Stanford continuingstudies on navigating midlife
for women.
So I have to be in the US toteach that.
So I'm like, okay, December 15ththrough March 10th, I have time
for surgery and recovery becauseMarch 10th, I want to go to
Nicaragua for two weeks to govisit a friend.
Um, um, trying to make this anannual trip.
(39:44):
And then we need to go onanother trip before our youngest
graduates from um college and wehave to be in Burlington,
Vermont for graduation.
So like, so we aren't going tobe traveling during that window,
but um we're noticing, you know,our recovery from jet lag, it
takes us longer.
Um, we might not be able to go,go, go, go, go as much, even
(40:08):
though we're super active55-year-olds, our bodies are
just starting to break down.
So we're trying to takeadvantage of it.
So when people say, I'll do thatsomeday, someday, someday, I'm
like, oh, no, no, no, no.
Take the time now.
This is when we should be havinglike life sabbaticals because
our kids need us a little bit,well, need us a little bit less.
Our kids need us a little bitless.
(40:28):
Um, hopefully, we have a littlebit more discretionary income or
funds, and our health is good.
This is the time to be gettingout and going and traveling
because uh it's gonna getharder.
It's not gonna get easier.
SPEAKER_03 (40:42):
Yeah, yeah, it it is.
And uh, of course, the mainthing you can summarize from
that, you do not want to haveany regrets.
SPEAKER_04 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (40:50):
Especially when the old doc comes up and says, you
know what, guys, you just can'tgo anywhere anymore, you know.
I mean, I had hip replacementsurgery um what eight or nine
years ago, and uh recovered, anduh then I go to trekking up
Tiger's Less Monastery inBhutan.
I was able to do that even at myage.
I'm quite a bit older than youguys, but I was able to do that,
(41:11):
and I'm I'm making sure I I cando this stuff um because I don't
want to have any dress, and youyou're you're gonna feel like in
the same way, aren't you?
SPEAKER_05 (41:20):
Yeah, and we so this summer we've been doing video
production and content, kind ofyou know, getting the kids in
order.
And um we're we were in the gymalmost every single day trying
because I'm trying, I was tryingto do PT, anything I could do to
stop surgery, but I can't.
Um, and you know, Zeke has aback issue from being a uh
police officer many years ago,and so he's constantly doing his
(41:43):
exercises and stuff.
So the summer we're this year,we're really focusing on being
in the gym.
I'm limiting myself to doublesand only three days a week on
the tennis court, despite myknee.
Zeke's trying to get out acouple of days a week and cycle,
getting his butt in shape forall the 450 miles that they're
gonna be doing, but um reallyfocusing on our overall health
(42:07):
and strength and balance and allthe stuff that's gonna be good
from a longevity perspective.
And it's also going to keep usable to travel and doing the
things we love for as long aspossible.
SPEAKER_03 (42:17):
Very, very admirable.
That's it's fantastic.
Now, what you do is great, andyou've got the YouTube YouTube
channel.
What is that, by the way?
How can people look at yourstuff online?
SPEAKER_05 (42:28):
Oh my gosh.
We're if I think if you just doZeke Terry Adventures, you just
look that up, it'll show up.
Our our website iszekinterry.com.
So that's z-e-k-e-t-e-r-i.com.
And from there, you can get toour YouTube channel, Instagram.
Um, we also do postcards fromthe road.
So it's a news, it's kind of anewsletter, but while we're
(42:50):
traveling, um, I'll we'll we'lldo virtual ones.
But then for those of us whogive us their physical
addresses, we send postcardsfrom when we travel.
So people will get um postcardsfrom you know Barcelona for or
not Barcelona for Bilbao, theGuggenheim, or someplace in
France or whatever.
So people will get postcards andum I think that's Instagram.
(43:14):
Oh, we have a Facebookcommunity, and um, of course,
people want to buy us a cup ofcoffee or a glass of wine, they
can do that through Buy Me aCoffee too.
SPEAKER_03 (43:23):
Got it.
Yeah, I'm logging on yourwebsite.
So you've got a blog there,you've got your YouTube channel
on there.
So people can at least go toyour website and read about your
story, which is fantastic, andthen they can look at some of
your escapades around the world.
SPEAKER_05 (43:35):
So uh the the blog, oh the blog post, yeah.
We we try to write about all theplaces that we visit and tie
those to the um to the videos aswell.
And um the bingo cards isanother thing on there.
So what we find is that somepeople don't have any idea what
to do when they land.
And so I've started puttingtogether travel bingo cards.
(43:56):
So if people are like, okay,where do I go?
What do I eat?
What do I drink?
You know, I go to FICA when I'min Stockholm, or yeah, you go
have a beer and a pretzel whenyou're in Munich or a croissant
when you're in Paris.
Um, but there's some otherthings that we've thrown in
there on the bingo cards aswell.
So over the summer, I'm creatingmore and more of those.
SPEAKER_03 (44:16):
I I just you as soon as you talk about food there.
We'll have to close out soon,but in Stockholm when I went to
the um I stayed in Gandalf Standat the Victory Hotel, named not
the HMS Victory from the Battleof Trafalgar.
Yeah.
And I looked at their menuthere, and there was aged
pigneck on the menu and friedlamb testicles.
SPEAKER_05 (44:36):
Please tell me you tried them.
SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
No, I didn't.
I mean, how bad can they be?
They're fried, right?
You know?
No, there's a British pub downthe street.
I'll just go there, you know.
But it was a lovely place, youknow.
And uh anyway, it's it's allgood.
SPEAKER_05 (44:51):
But so did you make did you have fika every day when
you were in Stockholm, though?
unknown (44:56):
No.
SPEAKER_05 (44:57):
So because the the FICA, this is something that our
our youngest is obsessed with.
You know, it's an afternoonbreak where you have either
coffee or tea and a sweet treat.
So whether it's a cardamom bunor um some sort of a sweet
treat, but fika, we definitelyneed to bring that back to
California.
SPEAKER_03 (45:17):
All right, well, yeah, you gotta do that.
Um so I always look whenever Igo, believe it or not, I always
look for Indian restaurantsbecause I'm a big fan of
Indians.
SPEAKER_05 (45:25):
Oh, we've had really great Indian food all over the
place.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (45:28):
Yeah, and uh obviously it's huge in Britain
as well, but uh it's uh so Ialways like like to uh look for
Indian uh Indian restaurantswherever I am.
So it's it's all good.
But anyway, keep at it, folks,and uh lovely website.
I'm gonna read a bit more aboutyou guys um maybe tomorrow.
And then uh, but yeah, um, soyou're off in September, you've
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got stuff planned for next year,and that's the beauty of some of
this, isn't it?
Because it's a planning of it,it's exciting to plan it.
It always gives you something tolook forward to, right?
SPEAKER_05 (46:00):
Yeah, yeah.
I do the majority of ourplanning.
SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Terry does, but we are also open for suggestions if
anyone out there has got uhheard about some general area
that we're going to and they'vegot a recommendation, jump on
our website and shoot us amessage.
We're we're happy to hear aboutuh where people have been and go
check that out.
I've got a great one for youbefore we hang up.
SPEAKER_05 (46:18):
Well, fantastic.
Well, thank you so much.
This has been a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
We really got before I got the old go to the oldest
desert in the world.
SPEAKER_05 (46:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (46:29):
Namibia.
And stay in the desert.
Unbelievable scenery.
Okay.
Um so uh yeah, fantastic place.
Anyway, fantastic.
And uh that that this is allabout generating memories that
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last for a lifetime.
That's gonna be one of them.
And I I sp I've spent a lot oftime in Asia as well.
But uh, yeah, I mean, uh,there's so much so much out
there to see, you know.
It's never ending, but uh it'snever it's never ending.
And it'll always change as well.
SPEAKER_05 (47:05):
So yeah.
Uh um, yeah.
So well, thank you again.
This was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03 (47:10):
Oh, a pleasure.
Uh safe travels to you both, anduh you know drop feel free to
drop me a line anytime and uhI'll be around.
So if you want to get back withme to do another podcast next
year or something and tell meabout your escapades over in
Europe or wherever you land on,let me know.
SPEAKER_05 (47:26):
And we'll take more of your suggestions and hear
more about your travels as well.
That's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (47:31):
All right, take care.
SPEAKER_05 (47:32):
Take care, thanks.
SPEAKER_03 (47:33):
See ya.
Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_01 (47:34):
That's it for this episode of the Travel Addict
Podcast, where we chase sunsets,flirt with danger, and
occasionally make questionablechoices in foreign lands.
Until next time, may yourflights be on time.
And your travel stories justscandalous enough to leave a few
details out.
Check out Malcolm's websites atmalcolmteesdale.com and
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travelingenglishman.com.
Safe travels and enjoy life,everyone.
Welcome to the Travel Addict Podcast.
Your host and fellow traveladdict, Malcolm Teesdale, is
here to take you into the heartof the world's most fascinating
destinations.
He talks with passionateglobetrotters and fearless
explorers who share their wildjourneys and cultural insights
from around the world.
Or sometimes he just chats byhimself, describing enriching
(00:21):
travel experiences.
So buckle up and let's hit theroad, because the world is
calling and we're answering.
SPEAKER_03 (00:28):
Hello, everybody, the travel addict here, who
happens to be Malcolm Teesdale.
With me today have a lovelycouple, Zeke and Terry Meade,
from Redwood, California.
And they've been through a lot,but they've got some great
stories to tell.
And it may set the groundworkfor a few listeners out there as
(00:48):
well.
Because they're married, they'vebeen in the 50s, and they're
empty nesters.
And what they did decided to dowas to not say reinvent
themselves, but to get out oftown more, travel more.
Isn't that right?
Hi there, by the way.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (01:04):
Not only not only just travel, but we decided to
launch a business aroundtraveling to inspire other empty
nester, midlifer, 50 plus uhpeople to get out, get
uncomfortable and go adventure.
SPEAKER_03 (01:16):
There you go.
It's funny when I when I lookedat this, because many years ago
I wrote a book called TheMidlife Crisis Continues.
SPEAKER_04 (01:24):
Oh.
SPEAKER_03 (01:25):
And it's it's funny because it is all about this the
need to travel more and more.
And you know, some of the peopleI know just they question my
sanity when I tell them whereI'm going half the time.
But anyway, um so basically theemptiness syndrome, whatever it
means, because you have you hadchildren, they've grown up and
they've gone to college, right?
(01:46):
They've grown up.
SPEAKER_05 (01:47):
So well, we have we have one who's uh just about to
start their senior year ofcollege, and then our oldest
graduated from college two yearsago and is about to embark on
his master's degree inphilosophy at San Francisco
State.
So he's actually moved backhome, but that's proving to be
incredibly convenient becausenow we can travel and not worry
(02:08):
about the house, the dog, andthe cat.
And uh we can just go, okay,we're gone for six, seven weeks,
and we don't have to worry aboutboarding George, our emptiness
puppy, or um, someone takingcare of our 17-year-old cat.
SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
Well, what did you do before he moved back in with
you then?
SPEAKER_05 (02:26):
Oh, we enjoyed empty nesting.
SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Oh with the cat with the dog, I mean.
SPEAKER_05 (02:31):
Okay, well, the the the dog, um, we have an
incredible ranch that Georgewould go to, or we would um have
someone we would use trustedhouse sitter, and we would have
a trusted house sitter come in.
So last fall when we were gone,he was our son was still in
Denver.
So we were gone, gosh, we weregone for six weeks, home for a
(02:51):
couple of days, and then we weregone for another six weeks.
And so we had a house sittercome in, and this lovely couple
took care of George, took careof the cat, and took care of the
house.
So if we're gone for more thanI'd say three weeks, then we'll
do a trusted house sitter, orum, otherwise George will go to
the ranch.
SPEAKER_03 (03:09):
Yeah, go to the ranch, all right.
Okay.
I just wondered because I boughtpets many years ago, but when I
went away somewhere, came back,especially the cat, didn't want
to have anything to do with mefor a few days.
Like he just got uh upset.
How dare you leave me here?
You know?
SPEAKER_05 (03:25):
Well, one of our cats um has chosen to live on
the street behind us becausehe's really pissed off at us.
SPEAKER_02 (03:31):
Yeah, there you go.
They get over it in the end,don't they?
SPEAKER_03 (03:35):
Yeah, I hope.
SPEAKER_05 (03:37):
Hopefully he'll come back.
Hopefully he'll come back.
SPEAKER_03 (03:40):
All right, so you found you got outside to get out
of towel, which is a wonderfulthing to do, and then that you
had this need to exploredifferent places in the world.
In fact, um, you've heard ofRick Steves, haven't you?
SPEAKER_04 (03:52):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (03:52):
Yeah, he he just made a comment the other day.
In fact, I I didn't hear it onTV, I read about it, and Rick
Steve made the comment aboutwhat did he say?
About the need for Americans totravel more.
SPEAKER_04 (04:02):
Yes, he did.
SPEAKER_03 (04:04):
It's very important.
Um, because a lot of peopleknow, yeah, I you're right, I'm
a Brit, by the way, but I'vebeen living in America half half
my life.
So I'm bilingual, of course,now.
But there is a need because um alarge percentage of Americans
still don't have passports or oractive passports, but I try and
(04:26):
you know, preach, get out oftown more, learn about how the
rest of the world works.
And that's what you've beendoing, right?
So um, what was the last thingyou did though?
Where where were you last timeyou went out of town?
SPEAKER_05 (04:38):
Well, before I answer uh answer that, so I
wasn't a huge fan of Rick Stevesuntil I saw him talking last
year during the election cycle,where he was talking about the
importance of traveling, gettingout and meeting other people,
uh, learning about othercultures, learning that what we
may get super myopic about,about living in our particular
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space, how important it is.
And he's gotten more and morevocal about it.
So after I heard that, when wewere in Munich last year, um, we
started listening to some of hislittle audio travel guides.
And I've since become a hugefan.
I thought it was just for likepeople our parents' age, but now
I'm like a full supporter.
And when we were in Prague, wealso listened to one of his
(05:21):
things.
So props to Rick Steves ontrying to advocate to his
broader audience the importanceof developing empathy and
understanding through travel.
So we're huge fans.
Huge fans.
SPEAKER_03 (05:34):
Okay.
You know, I haven't watched manyof his programs actually.
I don't watch much TV these daysbecause it's mostly depressing.
I always read the news anyway.
So I do watch travel programsmore than anything because uh
just get ideas and uh look lookat uh some of nature's wonders.
But uh yeah, I probably need tolook at him a bit more.
But I used to watch um AnthonyBourdain as well a lot and uh
(05:55):
those guys and and Daniel.
SPEAKER_05 (05:56):
Yeah, well, Rig Steve's audio guides, if you're
just dropping into a city forthe first time, especially if
you're totally jet jet lag,because we dropped into Munich
last year and um the time zonedifference, we it takes us a
week to adjust to jet lag now.
And um, it was like the perfectpace to be able to explore
stuff.
So um yeah, we don't we don'twatch really any TV.
(06:19):
So we're with you.
And as for our last trip, wespent um, we got back in the end
of May, middle of end of May.
We got back from a seven-weektrip to to Europe.
Um, we started in Paris for my55th birthday, where we were
meeting up with our youngest whowas doing a semester abroad in
Paris.
(06:40):
And then we took the train downto Bordeaux, which we absolutely
love, and we did a home exchangethere for four weeks where we
were living, yeah, we wereliving and working.
We had a co-work locationbecause the Wi-Fi at our place,
the location of the place thatwe were at was fantastic, but
the Wi-Fi was terrible.
So we found a local co-workingspace that had great Wi-Fi.
(07:01):
And we could go, we could meetpeople, and that was that was
actually really great.
After four weeks in Bordeaux,our youngest had wrapped up
their semester, so they met usin um uh medicine Bordeaux, and
we went over to um Narbonne.
Was it Narbonne no Nîmes becausewe went to Bellegarde, we rented
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a boat um on the Canal deRhône-Asset, and the three of us
piloted the boat through theCanal de Rhône-Asset, the Aetong
de Toe, and the Canal de Midi.
And then we uh left the boat,rented a car in um in Narbonne,
and we drove through the HautePyrenees and then to San
(07:43):
Sebastian, Bilbao, and then wedropped our kid off um at a
train station, and then we madeour way to Zurich to go visit
some friends before we were wewere absolutely exhausted,
wrapped up our training.
I can imagine.
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
How did you get to Zurich though?
SPEAKER_05 (08:00):
We took the train.
Oh my god.
SPEAKER_03 (08:01):
Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (08:03):
We took the train from, we dropped the car in
Bordeaux, and we took the trainfrom Bordeaux to Paris, and then
we had to make our way acrosstown from one train station to
the other in like 25 minutes.
That was insanity.
And then uh we took a five and ahalf hour train um to Zurich.
That was a long that was a verylong day.
SPEAKER_03 (08:23):
You know what?
That's the beauty of uh placesin Europe.
They have uh good publictransport systems and with
trains.
So um you know, I I go back toEngland which once a year to see
family and friends, and uh I Iuse a train whenever I can, even
because they even stop at somesmall villages as well now.
So it's it's pr it's prettygood, you know.
It's a good way to travel.
And did Italy a few years agowhen uh um after visiting
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Venice, just took the train downto Rome, then on to Florence,
you know.
SPEAKER_05 (08:51):
Oh, you went you went down and then back up.
SPEAKER_03 (08:53):
Uh yeah, well, basically, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was a good thing to dobecause we had a of where do we
fly?
I can't remember.
It's a few years ago, but butyeah, I went to all three of
those cities.
But um, yeah, I mean, uh it it'sall good.
What's your feeling about Europethese days, anyway?
Because you've been there morethan once or twice, haven't you?
SPEAKER_05 (09:11):
We yeah, we counted.
I've been to Paris ten times.
Um, we're now going to Europeabout twice a year.
Um what's our feeling about it?
Um, we wish that we could pullmore things from there to the
United States um in terms ofsocialized medicine, public
transportation, you know, caringabout more than the almighty
(09:33):
dollar.
Um we yeah, I I absolutely loveEurope, Zeke.
SPEAKER_00 (09:40):
Yeah, I think it speaking to Rick Steve's uh
comment, it's all aboutperspective.
So, you know, we've born andraised in Northern California,
and we know that we're in aplace that's not normal.
Um and so we go to these otherplaces to try and you know get a
either a reality check or tounderstand how different parts
(10:03):
of the world live.
And then even then, sometimeswhen we're in a place like a
Paris or a London, we'll need toget outside of that bubble to
places like Bordeaux, which wereally enjoy, which are you know
a fraction of the size.
And then even when we're in aBordeaux, you'll be in this, you
know, the hotspot tourism zonefor that.
(10:23):
And we'll make instead ofeverybody who's going left, make
a right turn and go two blocksoff and try and get a feel for
you know the subset of Bordeaux.
Um, and those are theperspectives that I look for
when I'm there.
I don't need to go uh, you know,the top 10 uh video of where to
go in Bordeaux that's just AI.
I'm not interested in that.
(10:44):
Well, I enjoy some of thoseparts, but I like to move off
and go see.
Yeah, off the path.
Yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER_05 (10:49):
And he brings up, he brings up something that's
really that I I think isimportant to us is that when we
go and travel wherever we go, wedon't expect it to be like where
we are.
So um while we were disappointedin the internet in Bordeaux at
the place, the the challenge waswe had videos to produce, we had
content to produce, we neededinternet access also to manage
(11:12):
our life.
And it was a matter of, okay,this isn't great.
What's what can we do next?
Um, or the we know things closeon Sundays in France and in you
know other parts of Europe.
And so we like to find ways toadjust to whatever the local way
of life is.
We feel that that's good for us,it's good for us as humans, it's
(11:33):
good for neural pathways aswe're aging.
And we try really, really hardnot to go with a sense of
entitlement.
We feel like we are guests inother people's cities and
countries, et cetera.
And we try to meet them wherethey're at rather than expecting
them to meet um us.
We feel very, very privileged tobe able to go to all these
people.
SPEAKER_02 (11:53):
So the correct attitude and meet and meet all
these people.
SPEAKER_05 (11:56):
So when some people say, Oh my gosh, I've been to
France and people were terrible,terrible, and I'm like, oh my
gosh, did you not, you know, didyou even try to say bonjour or
merci or au revoir?
You know, I walk in and I say,Je suis désolé, je parle un peu
foncé, comme vous parlezlentement, je, je comprends
peut-être.
And people are like, and I'mlike, no, no, no, no, slow down,
(12:17):
slow down, slow down.
But even making that effortopens up doors, and we have
these like amazingopportunities, because I'll
pretty much talk to anybody, andZeke will go along with most of
my mad ideas.
And we just, I mean, we makefriends around the world.
So, how do we feel about Europeright now?
(12:38):
We're a little envious right nowabout how things are playing out
in other parts.
I mean, it's not perfect, butno, no, no, it's but it's
educational honestly.
SPEAKER_03 (12:48):
You know, you get used to the culture there.
I know there's a lot of uh insome cities, uh, Paris is one of
them.
I think Barcelona's a lookpushback on the amount of
tourists going there.
Yeah.
And I I I get that.
SPEAKER_04 (12:58):
Um we do too.
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
I think what you mentioned, Zeke, about going to
places where it's tooovercrowded, you just want to
and don't really want to bearound millions of people like
that.
And when we when I went toVenice a few years ago, that was
the same thing there as well.
And I I did not enjoy it, to behonest with you.
So, you know, it's just becausethere's too many people there,
you know.
SPEAKER_00 (13:19):
And uh we're fortunate in that we get to
travel in the shoulder seasons,which have gotten have have have
gotten further and further out.
I think we were in April andMay, and it was already I mean,
we we spent 45 minutes in theLouvre, and I said, I'm done.
I'm done.
I can't do this anymore.
I gotta get out of here.
Uh because it was just packed.
And so, but at the same time, wecan then go find a little
(13:40):
neighborhood in Paris that is aneighborhood in Paris that's not
where any of the tourists go,and we can enjoy that
experience.
So those are the things that welike to look at.
SPEAKER_05 (13:49):
Well, and the thing, but the thing about that is I I
wonder if we've traveled so muchthat we're comfortable taking
the quote unquote risk of stepstepping off the beaten path.
Those because we are fortunateenough to be able to travel
fairly frequently, we don't haveto make it so that um whatever
our trip is or our um voyages,it doesn't have to be perfect.
(14:14):
You know, it's so so we stay inthe 14th Arendis Mont instead of
in the premier or in theSaint-Germain.
And if the place that we'restaying at isn't perfect, it's
not gonna ruin our trip becausewe know that there are gonna be
other good things about thetrip, or we're going to have
another one to be like, okay,well, that was something that
(14:34):
was interesting to learn about.
That's another thing, is that wetry to learn from whatever it is
that we're doing, kind of likethe last trip where we ended our
trip with fast travel.
This next trip that we're goingon, um uh September 10th, we fly
to Munich together for twonights.
And then Zeke's gonna cycle fromMunich to Venice with his
(14:55):
buddies for two weeks.
And I'm gonna go to Strasbourg,France by myself for two weeks,
so I can immerse and work on myFrench and go to all the museums
I want without dragging himalong.
And uh that's great.
SPEAKER_02 (15:07):
You can actually do that.
You don't have to be around eachother 24 hours a day.
SPEAKER_05 (15:11):
Yeah, well, we spend we spend a lot of time together.
And then so that'll be busy twoweeks, and then we're gonna meet
up in Lyon, rent a car, and thenwe're gonna drive around central
France and look the LoireValley.
We haven't fully figured thatout yet, but that's still fast
travel.
And then drop the car in Lyon,and then we have a home exchange
for three weeks in Lyon so thatwe can be in one place.
(15:35):
Um, we'll do like day trips toDijon, Dijon and down to De La
Fide to visit some friends, butwe're like, okay, maybe we'll be
less exhausted at the end.
So from every trip that we goon, we learn something new and
we see all of it as anadventure.
If something goes wrong, we'renot like so disappointed because
it's the only week a year thatwe have to travel.
(15:57):
So we feel we feel veryfortunate to be able to do that
as well.
SPEAKER_03 (16:01):
Well, when you go to say you're upcoming uh to
Munich, you fly direct out ofSan Francisco?
SPEAKER_05 (16:08):
Yeah, so they're there, yeah.
There we we can go to Paris,Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich,
Rome, London.
Those are like the direct spot,um direct flights.
And um flying, we were I knew wewere gonna want to spend time in
France.
He was gonna have to get toMunich for this ride.
(16:28):
And it turned out the flightdirect to Munich was the least
expensive.
We love Munich, and um we'regonna be jet lagged anyway.
And it is we found that it wasthe easiest airport to navigate
through.
SPEAKER_03 (16:40):
We yeah, I it is.
I I I find that I because I'vebeen through Frankfurt a couple
of times, and that that isconfusing as hell.
SPEAKER_05 (16:48):
Frankfurt's terrible, but but yeah, so we'll
we'll fly.
Yeah, we'll fly direct toMunich.
SPEAKER_03 (16:54):
Yeah, well that's gotta be about a nine-hour
flight, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05 (16:58):
Oh, it's 11 and a half, eleven.
SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
Oh my word.
SPEAKER_05 (17:01):
So yeah, no, it's it's a beast.
SPEAKER_03 (17:03):
Knackered when you get there, the old English term.
So yeah, and jet lag comes intoplay, doesn't it?
And uh time zone must be ninehours different, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05 (17:11):
Yeah, it's a nine-hour difference.
So it takes us upwards of sixdays.
Zeke does better on the cyclingtrips, so he will probably be in
better shape because he'll getmoving.
Um, it'll be harder on mebecause I will be taking um the
train from uh Munich toStrasbourg.
Typically, we just each of usjust have a backpack and a
(17:33):
roller bag, and that's all wetake for seven weeks.
But because he can't take hisrollerbag on the bike, I will be
taking that and I have to changetrain.
So I guess that'll be mymovement to keep me away.
SPEAKER_03 (17:46):
Well, your suitcase has got wheels on.
You could tie it to the back ofyour belt, couldn't you?
Ba bike I mean, drag it alongthe road there.
unknown (17:53):
Sure.
SPEAKER_05 (17:53):
Or going up and down the mountains and all the
altitude lines.
SPEAKER_03 (17:58):
I know it's just anything's possible.
So when you're away, because yougo away for an extended period
of time, do you work?
SPEAKER_05 (18:07):
Well, yes, we do work.
Um, so I've pretty much closedout my consulting um with life
sciences with IT strategy and ITcompliance.
And this is our new job.
So Zeke and Terry Adventures isour new job.
So we are probably How is it ajob, by the way?
SPEAKER_03 (18:23):
I'm just curious.
SPEAKER_05 (18:25):
Well, it's it's we consider it a startup.
So we're putting all the moneyin.
Uh, we're not generating revenuequite yet, but the goal is to
generate revenue from ourYouTube channel, um, get
sponsors, and ultimately do paidspeaking engagements around the
world.
So there is a revenue, a revenuepath to this so that we're out
(18:46):
and about traveling, we'recapturing content.
So we're capturing videos.
So Zeke captures all thelandscape video from either his
phone or the um GoPro.
And then I capture all thephotos, horizontal, uh, I mean
vertical video for TikTok,Instagram, and YouTube Shorts.
(19:07):
And then I do contribute some aswell.
So we're creating content.
So when we are out and about,we're pushing content out.
We may not sometimes we'll bedoing the bigger videos because
we do release uh uh um a bigvideo every other week.
We do minis on the alternatingweeks, and then every day we do
Instagram posts, and then whilewe're traveling, we'll do
(19:29):
YouTube shorts.
SPEAKER_03 (19:29):
Okay, then you just post them on YouTube.
SPEAKER_05 (19:31):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (19:32):
Oh, okay.
So that's good.
And um maybe I don't know ifyou've got sponsors, but it
people look at it, obviously,and all that.
And I don't know if you youadvertise on that, but it
doesn't matter.
But you're doing that, that'swhat you want to do, right?
SPEAKER_05 (19:46):
Yeah, so yeah, because a couple of years, so um
we nearly got divorced aboutfour and a half years ago and
accidentally rebooted ourrelationship.
And as we rebuilt it, we we werereally looking for what is it
that brings us together?
We're very, very differentpeople.
You know, we'll joke that um,you know, he's REI, people know
(20:06):
what that is.
He's outdoorsy REI, and I'm likemuseum, culture, language.
And so one thing that we sharein common is travel.
So when we were trying to figureout what to do next, as I was
wrapping up my consulting andum, you know, uh I still, I
mean, I still write and do stuffaround midlife to support women
(20:29):
uh and encourage women over theage of 40 to design and live a
life of their own creation.
So I've got that that I stillhave going on.
But it was like, well, what ifwe launched a YouTube channel
around our travel to inspireother people to get out?
And I say, get out, getuncomfortable, a go adventure.
So this is now our job.
SPEAKER_03 (20:48):
Yeah.
Well, excellent.
Um you you're doing exactly whatyou want to do.
But uh yeah, the one thing aboutobviously traveling is the
educational.
You mentioned something earlieron, um, especially France and
Spain and sound.
They're excellent healthcaresystems over there, according to
the World Health Organization.
So, you know, it fits uh it'sit's on the state and uh it's
(21:11):
good quality as well.
So um it's all over in placeswhere it's pretty expensive here
in the United States, supposedto be able to pay insurance,
right?
Yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (21:20):
So uh Yeah, and and I'm uh we're self-employed, so I
you know I have an LLC that Irun things through, but yeah, we
pay for it.
It's not like we rely onemployers or the government or
our health insurance.
SPEAKER_03 (21:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I as I say to people, youknow, it depends wherever you go
in the world, it doesn't matterwhere we live.
But like the United States, youlive in the United States
because you want to live here,but it doesn't mean they're the
best at everything they do.
You know, some countries dothings better than we do.
And uh, you know, it I I've gota um a a gig, I do public
(21:58):
speaking gigs.
And I've got something coming upin Norway or and Europe in uh
actually next month.
And but you know, do you knowwhat's the safest country in the
world today?
SPEAKER_05 (22:13):
Is it Iceland or Finland or Iceland.
SPEAKER_03 (22:17):
Finland's the happiest country in the world.
Iceland's the safest one.
But it's all all these the theworld indexes stuff.
I have to do a talk on thisstuff actually.
So uh yeah, it's it'sinteresting, but it's it's
surprising when you tell peoplethis, all these statistics, you
know, highest IQ, the um cost ofliving, um diplomacy, lease crop
(22:38):
countries.
There's so many statistics outthere to look at, and it's it's
really uh quite uh educationalto learn who does what best in
the world.
So it's all good.
And um anyway, um you you'redoing what you're doing.
Uh so you'll keep on traveling.
So you're when you're going upto Europe again in September,
did you say?
SPEAKER_05 (22:57):
Yeah, September for seven weeks.
And then and then we'll be home.
SPEAKER_03 (23:01):
Yeah, where are you going to be concentrating,
staying over there?
Did you say?
SPEAKER_05 (23:04):
Mainly in the places you're familiar with Munich and
uh so well Zeke will tell youabout his cycling.
I'll be in Munich.
SPEAKER_03 (23:10):
Oh, cycling, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (23:11):
Strasbourg.
We're still trying to figure outour our um 10 days in like
central France in the LoireValley.
I haven't been back to the LoireValley since I graduated high
school.
And then we'll be in Lyon.
So for me, it's mostly France.
But for you, where are yougoing, Zeke?
SPEAKER_00 (23:26):
Yeah, so we're doing uh very we're we're still
ironing out the details, and itmight change if the weather
changes.
Uh, but we leave out of Munichand we go up, I believe, kind of
through Innsbruck a little bit,and then we get to a decision
point whether we stay in thevalley and go around, or we do
the Stelbio climb and then theuh Bormio climb, uh, which are
two famous uh really high uhpasses that people with the
(23:50):
switchbacks, you know, you seethe pictures with just miles and
miles of that.
Um and so we'll see how it goesat that point in time and uh how
my legs are feeling.
Uh, and then we'll drop down onthe other side through Verona
and then hang a left and uh headover to Venice.
SPEAKER_03 (24:06):
Venice, excellent.
I've got an idea for you becauseyou brought it best, and it's a
place not many people thinkabout going to in Europe.
It's actually super Ljubljana inSlovenia.
Think about that.
It uh Panza flies there directfrom uh they do Frank from
Frankfurt directly, but uh it'sa lovely place.
(24:26):
I'm just staying the old townthere.
It's just lovely.
SPEAKER_05 (24:29):
We will we will put that so yeah, we've been
listening to, or I've beenlistening to the Villains and
Burgeons podcast, and I've beenlistening to like things around
the crusade and the Normans andthe Franks.
So our spring trip right now,we're looking at um Sicily,
Greece, um uh Tunisia andCroatia, because we haven't hit
(24:50):
any of those.
I can't believe I'm gonna go toEurope and I'm not gonna go to
France, but that's that's that'sokay.
Um, yeah, we have a couple offriends who are Greek and
they're like, Terry, I can'tbelieve you've never been to
Greece.
And I'm like, I I know, I know.
So so that's the spring trip.
And then we're thinking the falltrip is gonna be um Scandinavia.
We watched um The Long Way Homewith you and McGregor.
(25:13):
And when we were our youngestdid two semesters abroad last
year.
So the first semester they werein Stockholm and the second in
Paris, and we loved Stockholm.
We were so surprised at how muchwe loved Stockholm.
Talk about great publictransportation.
Oh my god, we loved the theferries and the the trams and
(25:33):
the trains and the buses.
I mean, the publictransportation was just amazing
there.
SPEAKER_03 (25:37):
Yeah, I'll be I'll be there next month again.
And did you stay, did you stayin Stockholm, by the way?
SPEAKER_05 (25:41):
We stayed in Stockholm, yes.
SPEAKER_03 (25:43):
Did you stay in the old town Gamblestan or did you
No?
SPEAKER_05 (25:46):
We went to Gamelistan, but we were just
right across in um uh older mom.
Oh we were just a hop skin in ajob.
SPEAKER_02 (25:55):
Oh yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_05 (25:57):
So it wasn't Sodermall.
Soder mom.
SPEAKER_00 (26:01):
Frankies?
SPEAKER_05 (26:03):
Anyway, wherever it was, um we were we were within
walking distance to so much,including public transportation,
which which we loved.
But we loved Stockholm when wewanted to go back, and our two
most popular videos of our youknow, 110 long form videos are
the ones from Stockholm.
We had so many people send usnotes to were from Stockholm and
(26:26):
Sweden to say, hey, it's obvioushow much you loved our city.
Uh please come back, please dothis, please do that.
Um, and so I was a poorest, yes,let's go back.
It was very popular and we lovedit.
SPEAKER_04 (26:39):
It is a cool place, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (26:40):
My my maiden name is Hansen, so I'm Norwegian, and um
I think Zeke has some Dane inhim.
So we want to go check outDenmark, um, go back to other
parts of Sweden.
Um where um well there's aNorway.
SPEAKER_00 (26:56):
Yeah, there's a little a smaller boat cruise you
can do up uh from Oslo all theway up to the Arctic Circle, and
then you can fly back.
It's one of the mailboats thatstops off um that's been
recommended as well.
SPEAKER_05 (27:09):
So we're yeah, so we're thinking about that.
I love Talon Estonia, and Zekehasn't been there.
And I also love Helsinki.
SPEAKER_02 (27:14):
That's a great place.
Isn't it pretty?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05 (27:17):
Yeah, and then I love Helsinki as well, but I've
only been there like at the endof um November, beginning of
December for um a conferencecalled Slush.
It's for startup founders andinvestors.
So as an angel investor, I wenttwice, you know, where they have
like four hours of daylight, butI was in a conference.
So um I want I want Zeke to seeHelsinki and Talon.
(27:37):
So I think we're gonna try towrap those into that trip.
Um, and that would be, yeah,that would be next fall, and
that would probably be a six orseven-week trip.
SPEAKER_03 (27:46):
Yeah, yeah.
Talon also, if you get you inthe neighborhood, go to Vilnius
in uh Lithuania.
Yeah, superb because I I spent afew days there.
Shocked me.
It's very artsy there, and Ijust remember sitting outside at
night in the bar and the thesymphony orchestra playing out
in the big square there.
Wow.
Super, but uh lovely people,everything's uh Vilnius is good.
(28:08):
But um, yeah, I'm gonna be uhI'm off to go down the Caribbean
for a week or two, and then offto uh Scandinavia.
I'm talking on a biking cruise,and it goes up in the the Fiords
area, which is nice.
But I tell you what, this isjust me.
After the cruise is finished, Iam going to go to the most
northerly human settlement inthe world.
SPEAKER_05 (28:30):
Is that Svalbard or that's it?
SPEAKER_03 (28:32):
Sabalmad.
SPEAKER_05 (28:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:34):
Yeah, and uh I'm gonna spend a few days there,
and uh there's only in Long YeahBien is uh the town there, it's
the most northerly settlement inthe world, and there's only
about 1200 people live there.
SPEAKER_05 (28:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:47):
There's more polar bears there than there are
humans.
SPEAKER_05 (28:50):
I think I think um Ewan McGregor and his buddy went
there in um so I don't know ifyou know the Long Way Home, they
ride motorcycles and theystarted in the UK someplace and
then went all the way up andthen back down uh and back
around uh to the UK.
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
And um highlight of the series was their coverage of
Scandinavia.
It was just gorgeous.
SPEAKER_05 (29:13):
Yeah, I mean, so so smallbard might be on our list,
might not be.
I mean, it's a matter of time.
I mean, there's so many amazingplaces, and it's and it's like
how fast do you actually want tomove?
And if we want to sink intolocal life, we can't be changing
hotels every single night.
SPEAKER_03 (29:29):
No, uh exactly.
And it it it it's bothers me toto check in and three days and
check out.
It's it's uh yeah, it's toughsometimes, isn't it?
So uh that's all right, but butI guess with me is it it again
the midlife crisis continues,the more silly not silly things,
but the more adventurous stuff Ilike doing.
So I've got to go here just tomix with the people there, you
(29:52):
know.
And there's certain rules andregulations in Saddamad.
You're not allowed to die there.
You can't give birth there.
SPEAKER_05 (29:59):
Well, good.
I mean, that's a forbidden.
SPEAKER_03 (30:02):
And and if you leave a settlement, you have to take a
rifle with you.
Polar bears.
SPEAKER_05 (30:07):
Yeah, polar bears.
SPEAKER_03 (30:08):
That's it.
So anyway, it's it's it's it'squirky, but it's just you know,
one of those things.
But it's gorgeous up therebecause it's all in the fields,
and Saw Albard is one of theseplaces where you get to see the
northern lights during daylighthours.
SPEAKER_05 (30:21):
I can't even imagine what that would be like.
SPEAKER_03 (30:23):
Yeah.
You can imagine.
Anyway, it's it's all aboutanyway, that that's about me.
But I think what you're doing isgreat because you you're getting
over to uh York.
There's so much to see overthere, you know, isn't that?
You know, and you've you've beento the Baltics, which is great,
but there's so much more.
And you keep wanting to go back,you see.
You're you're hooked, aren'tyou?
Yeah, you see.
SPEAKER_05 (30:43):
Oh, uh yeah, absolutely hooked.
Um, you know, people get on meabout wanting to go back to
France.
And it's like, but it's there'sso much, so many different
places to see and things to doin France.
It isn't a matter of just going,you know, yes, I go back to
Paris fairly frequently, butit's for a couple of days and
then then I branch out.
And it's always, you know, Ihear people have been to like 99
(31:05):
different countries.
It's like, yeah, but how deepdid you dive into the countries
that you're in?
Exactly.
And they're just differentapproaches to it.
And I'm a can, you know,admittedly, I'm a Francophile.
And as we talk about our, youknow, in our channel, it's like,
okay, we want to be known forour understanding and travel in
(31:25):
France and in California.
So we're the France, American,France, and California
specialists, but we do go otherplaces as as well.
But my heart will always bringus back to France.
SPEAKER_03 (31:37):
France.
Yeah.
Do you speak fluent French now,Terry?
SPEAKER_05 (31:41):
No, I'm working with a tutor.
I mean, after all these years, II can I sound like a very slow
five-year-old when I talk.
I know a lot of words.
I'm working on my filling theholes of my grammar, but I can
have conversations.
And the more that I'm there,like when we were in Bordeaux,
my French got really.
SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
And I have to say, going back to our earlier
comments, the even at a slowfive-year-old, people absolutely
love talking to her becauseshe's A, trying, uh, and B,
she's uh an American and theywant to learn and they want to
practice their English with usas well.
Exactly.
It's really a workbook ways.
Yeah.
And so when we have theseconversations with folks, and
(32:21):
then we talk to people who goand they say, Oh, well, the
French, they're so this, that,and the other thing, we're like,
yeah, we don't we don'texperience that because we've
got a different approach.
SPEAKER_05 (32:30):
Um, and so one of the other reasons why we go to
certain places kind of over andover again is it's important to
me to learn enough of thelanguage to have some small
conversations with people.
So before we went to Italy lastyear, I and before I took, we
took, I took my son or our sonafter he graduated from college,
I studied Italian so that I wasable to have some small
(32:51):
conversations in Italian.
When we go to Mexico, we go toSpain, I work on my Spanish.
If I before I went to Germany, Iworked on some German.
And um, I've been hesitant to goto other countries because it's
important to me to try to havesome language capacity to be
able to communicate with people.
And honestly, my brain can onlyhold so much.
(33:12):
So I'm trying to let go of thator find the balance in that so
that I don't feel so I feel likethe world can open up more and I
don't limit myself or limit usinto where to go because it's
like, oh my God, I can onlylearn so many languages so fast.
SPEAKER_03 (33:27):
Yeah, we can, but there is it's quite uh um well,
it's excellent.
You have to learn in theselanguages.
It's funny, look, growing up inEngland, um, when I went to high
school, French was mandatory atschool.
SPEAKER_00 (33:39):
Sure.
SPEAKER_03 (33:40):
And uh so there you go.
I I don't know if that's thecase these days, but uh of
course I've since forgotten it.
SPEAKER_05 (33:45):
But that's that's well, I mean, we've we've known
each we've known each othersince we were 10.
And so we went to junior high inhigh school together.
And so we were actually inFrench class together in high
school with Monsieur Weben.
Um yeah.
So Zeke Zeke knows on this lasttrip, you actually tried a lot
more.
You did really, really well.
SPEAKER_00 (34:07):
I think the only way I'm gonna learn is through
immersion.
Uh, you know, I can't sit andlisten to uh do Duolingo and
those types of things.
It my brain just doesn't workthat way.
But if I can sit there and Ihear it enough and I can start
to pick out when I'm listeningto her talk to somebody, I can
go, oh, I've heard that word.
That must mean, or you're it'scontextual then.
You're in the grocery store.
(34:27):
Okay, we're talking about thevegetables, we're talking about
uh foodstuffs of some sort.
So that's the only way I'm gonnalearn.
SPEAKER_05 (34:33):
But the door, interesting doors that have
opened up.
We did a home exchange in 2015.
We did two weeks in Paris andthree weeks of Provence, and
went into um a rec uh restaurantin Carpentras and ended up
because I was like, sorry, Ionly speak a little bit of
French.
He came over and he was like,Where are you from?
We're like California.
And he says, Oh, your daughteris the same age.
(34:55):
Um uh our child is nownon-binary, but at this night at
the time they were our daughter.
And they're like, Oh, ourdaughter Pearl is the same age.
My wife is here, come over andmeet.
So we ended up having thisconversation that was part
French, part English.
They ended up inviting us to adinner at their house where
there were 10 other people.
(35:16):
Um, there was a famous Americanum expat who lives in France who
wrote, who did cookbooks andwrote for the New York Times
there.
There was uh somebody who was acircus owner, there was somebody
who was a local TV star.
And we got invited to, becausewe were there, we were looking
at each other like, why are wehere?
(35:38):
This is like really amazing.
Um, we got invited to thecircus.
So we went to go to the circus,our tickets were comped.
We got to go pet the elephantsand had just the most amazing.
We we just kept pinchingourselves, going, is this is
this real?
All because I said, you know,I'm sorry, I only speak a little
bit of French, and then that itit just opened, opened up.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
Open the door.
It's it's good.
I I get asked this all the time.
They said, Malcolm, you mustspeak a lot of foreign
languages.
And I tell them I speak five.
Impressed, eh?
English, American, Canadian,Australian, and the language of
New Zealand.
SPEAKER_05 (36:16):
Is that cheating?
I think that's cheating.
SPEAKER_03 (36:18):
Yeah, it's uh well I I had to say something, right?
So it sort of breaks the ice.
But no, I it's just uh I thinkit's a little bit b uh different
back then.
I I mean, if I was growing upagain a young age, I'd probably
make a a bigger point inlearning a foreign language, but
it doesn't matter, you know.
And most of the most of theworld speaks English anyway
today, yeah.
(36:39):
And I said to people, whereveryou go in the world, there's
always two words that everyonewill know English.
That's taxi and beer.
SPEAKER_05 (36:49):
Uh yeah, maybe not what I I'd be champagne, yeah,
probably champagne.
SPEAKER_03 (36:54):
Yeah, I know.
It's all good though.
But uh you you're doing a lot,you continue to travel, and uh
you know, uh uh I'm I'm not wantto ask about your age, but you
said you're in the in the 50s,you're 50s.
SPEAKER_05 (37:06):
We're 55.
Yeah, we're both 55.
SPEAKER_03 (37:08):
Okay, yeah, okay, but you've got lots of years
ahead of you, and I can bet younow as you get close to 60,
you'll become a little bit moreadventurous, and you'll do yeah,
even more so.
I think so.
Because Zeke, you do someclimbing and hiking stuff, don't
(37:29):
you?
SPEAKER_00 (37:29):
Biking and all that.
I do, I do, and I I like to tellfolks because we'll get stopped
when we're on our trips.
There's basically four, three orfour of us that do these trips
together consistently.
I think we've done 10 now aroundthe world.
SPEAKER_05 (37:40):
The cycle the cycling trips.
SPEAKER_00 (37:41):
The cycling trips.
Yeah.
And people will stop us, orwe'll be someplace and we'll be
talking to them and we'll tellthem about our last trip.
And they'll say to us, oh,someday I want to do that.
And we immediately stop.
I don't know how many times I'veheard this, and I go, Don't wait
for someday.
Someday's never gonna come.
You got to do it.
Exactly.
And at the same time, we do havethe word adventure in our
YouTube channel, Zeke andTerry's Adventures.
(38:04):
Um, but we like to defineadventure as whatever it is that
puts you outside of your comfortzone.
Yeah, so if that is taking apublic bus or the public uh
public transit of some sort,which you don't usually do, to a
new place that you haven'treally been to, but it's in your
backyard, that is an adventure.
And you start to start to pushyourself a little bit just
outside your comfort zone.
(38:25):
Um, and then next thing youknow, yes, you could be um in
Australia riding a bike throughuh the Snowy River uh valley or
whatever.
SPEAKER_05 (38:35):
Yeah, and and the getting more adventurous, the
the other thing is that on thislast trip, um my knee was
hurting.
Um, and this is the first timeI've had anything slow me down.
I'm pretty much your energizerbunny.
Um, but tennis, um, running andsoccer or football have finally
caught up with me, and I have ameniscus issue and
(38:56):
osteoarthritis on my knee.
And um I didn't realize it atthe time.
Normally we walk 25,000, 30,000steps a day, and we were limited
to like eight to 15.
And I could see in the videos aswe're producing them the days
that I wasn't sleeping becausemy knee hurt.
And I was like, what have Idone?
Well, it turns out I need apartial knee replacement.
So come December, um, I'm I Igave I met with surgeons and I'm
(39:21):
like, okay, here's the windowof, you know, I teach a class
through Stanford continuingstudies on navigating midlife
for women.
So I have to be in the US toteach that.
So I'm like, okay, December 15ththrough March 10th, I have time
for surgery and recovery becauseMarch 10th, I want to go to
Nicaragua for two weeks to govisit a friend.
Um, um, trying to make this anannual trip.
(39:44):
And then we need to go onanother trip before our youngest
graduates from um college and wehave to be in Burlington,
Vermont for graduation.
So like, so we aren't going tobe traveling during that window,
but um we're noticing, you know,our recovery from jet lag, it
takes us longer.
Um, we might not be able to go,go, go, go, go as much, even
(40:08):
though we're super active55-year-olds, our bodies are
just starting to break down.
So we're trying to takeadvantage of it.
So when people say, I'll do thatsomeday, someday, someday, I'm
like, oh, no, no, no, no.
Take the time now.
This is when we should be havinglike life sabbaticals because
our kids need us a little bit,well, need us a little bit less.
Our kids need us a little bitless.
(40:28):
Um, hopefully, we have a littlebit more discretionary income or
funds, and our health is good.
This is the time to be gettingout and going and traveling
because uh it's gonna getharder.
It's not gonna get easier.
SPEAKER_03 (40:42):
Yeah, yeah, it it is.
And uh, of course, the mainthing you can summarize from
that, you do not want to haveany regrets.
SPEAKER_04 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (40:50):
Especially when the old doc comes up and says, you
know what, guys, you just can'tgo anywhere anymore, you know.
I mean, I had hip replacementsurgery um what eight or nine
years ago, and uh recovered, anduh then I go to trekking up
Tiger's Less Monastery inBhutan.
I was able to do that even at myage.
I'm quite a bit older than youguys, but I was able to do that,
(41:11):
and I'm I'm making sure I I cando this stuff um because I don't
want to have any dress, and youyou're you're gonna feel like in
the same way, aren't you?
SPEAKER_05 (41:20):
Yeah, and we so this summer we've been doing video
production and content, kind ofyou know, getting the kids in
order.
And um we're we were in the gymalmost every single day trying
because I'm trying, I was tryingto do PT, anything I could do to
stop surgery, but I can't.
Um, and you know, Zeke has aback issue from being a uh
police officer many years ago,and so he's constantly doing his
(41:43):
exercises and stuff.
So the summer we're this year,we're really focusing on being
in the gym.
I'm limiting myself to doublesand only three days a week on
the tennis court, despite myknee.
Zeke's trying to get out acouple of days a week and cycle,
getting his butt in shape forall the 450 miles that they're
gonna be doing, but um reallyfocusing on our overall health
(42:07):
and strength and balance and allthe stuff that's gonna be good
from a longevity perspective.
And it's also going to keep usable to travel and doing the
things we love for as long aspossible.
SPEAKER_03 (42:17):
Very, very admirable.
That's it's fantastic.
Now, what you do is great, andyou've got the YouTube YouTube
channel.
What is that, by the way?
How can people look at yourstuff online?
SPEAKER_05 (42:28):
Oh my gosh.
We're if I think if you just doZeke Terry Adventures, you just
look that up, it'll show up.
Our our website iszekinterry.com.
So that's z-e-k-e-t-e-r-i.com.
And from there, you can get toour YouTube channel, Instagram.
Um, we also do postcards fromthe road.
So it's a news, it's kind of anewsletter, but while we're
(42:50):
traveling, um, I'll we'll we'lldo virtual ones.
But then for those of us whogive us their physical
addresses, we send postcardsfrom when we travel.
So people will get um postcardsfrom you know Barcelona for or
not Barcelona for Bilbao, theGuggenheim, or someplace in
France or whatever.
So people will get postcards andum I think that's Instagram.
(43:14):
Oh, we have a Facebookcommunity, and um, of course,
people want to buy us a cup ofcoffee or a glass of wine, they
can do that through Buy Me aCoffee too.
SPEAKER_03 (43:23):
Got it.
Yeah, I'm logging on yourwebsite.
So you've got a blog there,you've got your YouTube channel
on there.
So people can at least go toyour website and read about your
story, which is fantastic, andthen they can look at some of
your escapades around the world.
SPEAKER_05 (43:35):
So uh the the blog, oh the blog post, yeah.
We we try to write about all theplaces that we visit and tie
those to the um to the videos aswell.
And um the bingo cards isanother thing on there.
So what we find is that somepeople don't have any idea what
to do when they land.
And so I've started puttingtogether travel bingo cards.
(43:56):
So if people are like, okay,where do I go?
What do I eat?
What do I drink?
You know, I go to FICA when I'min Stockholm, or yeah, you go
have a beer and a pretzel whenyou're in Munich or a croissant
when you're in Paris.
Um, but there's some otherthings that we've thrown in
there on the bingo cards aswell.
So over the summer, I'm creatingmore and more of those.
SPEAKER_03 (44:16):
I I just you as soon as you talk about food there.
We'll have to close out soon,but in Stockholm when I went to
the um I stayed in Gandalf Standat the Victory Hotel, named not
the HMS Victory from the Battleof Trafalgar.
Yeah.
And I looked at their menuthere, and there was aged
pigneck on the menu and friedlamb testicles.
SPEAKER_05 (44:36):
Please tell me you tried them.
SPEAKER_03 (44:38):
No, I didn't.
I mean, how bad can they be?
They're fried, right?
You know?
No, there's a British pub downthe street.
I'll just go there, you know.
But it was a lovely place, youknow.
And uh anyway, it's it's allgood.
SPEAKER_05 (44:51):
But so did you make did you have fika every day when
you were in Stockholm, though?
unknown (44:56):
No.
SPEAKER_05 (44:57):
So because the the FICA, this is something that our
our youngest is obsessed with.
You know, it's an afternoonbreak where you have either
coffee or tea and a sweet treat.
So whether it's a cardamom bunor um some sort of a sweet
treat, but fika, we definitelyneed to bring that back to
California.
SPEAKER_03 (45:17):
All right, well, yeah, you gotta do that.
Um so I always look whenever Igo, believe it or not, I always
look for Indian restaurantsbecause I'm a big fan of
Indians.
SPEAKER_05 (45:25):
Oh, we've had really great Indian food all over the
place.
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (45:28):
Yeah, and uh obviously it's huge in Britain
as well, but uh it's uh so Ialways like like to uh look for
Indian uh Indian restaurantswherever I am.
So it's it's all good.
But anyway, keep at it, folks,and uh lovely website.
I'm gonna read a bit more aboutyou guys um maybe tomorrow.
And then uh, but yeah, um, soyou're off in September, you've
(45:50):
got stuff planned for next year,and that's the beauty of some of
this, isn't it?
Because it's a planning of it,it's exciting to plan it.
It always gives you something tolook forward to, right?
SPEAKER_05 (46:00):
Yeah, yeah.
I do the majority of ourplanning.
SPEAKER_00 (46:03):
Terry does, but we are also open for suggestions if
anyone out there has got uhheard about some general area
that we're going to and they'vegot a recommendation, jump on
our website and shoot us amessage.
We're we're happy to hear aboutuh where people have been and go
check that out.
I've got a great one for youbefore we hang up.
SPEAKER_05 (46:18):
Well, fantastic.
Well, thank you so much.
This has been a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03 (46:23):
We really got before I got the old go to the oldest
desert in the world.
SPEAKER_05 (46:29):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (46:29):
Namibia.
And stay in the desert.
Unbelievable scenery.
Okay.
Um so uh yeah, fantastic place.
Anyway, fantastic.
And uh that that this is allabout generating memories that
(46:52):
last for a lifetime.
That's gonna be one of them.
And I I sp I've spent a lot oftime in Asia as well.
But uh, yeah, I mean, uh,there's so much so much out
there to see, you know.
It's never ending, but uh it'snever it's never ending.
And it'll always change as well.
SPEAKER_05 (47:05):
So yeah.
Uh um, yeah.
So well, thank you again.
This was a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03 (47:10):
Oh, a pleasure.
Uh safe travels to you both, anduh you know drop feel free to
drop me a line anytime and uhI'll be around.
So if you want to get back withme to do another podcast next
year or something and tell meabout your escapades over in
Europe or wherever you land on,let me know.
SPEAKER_05 (47:26):
And we'll take more of your suggestions and hear
more about your travels as well.
That's fine.
SPEAKER_01 (47:31):
All right, take care.
SPEAKER_05 (47:32):
Take care, thanks.
SPEAKER_03 (47:33):
See ya.
Bye-bye.
SPEAKER_01 (47:34):
That's it for this episode of the Travel Addict
Podcast, where we chase sunsets,flirt with danger, and
occasionally make questionablechoices in foreign lands.
Until next time, may yourflights be on time.
And your travel stories justscandalous enough to leave a few
details out.
Check out Malcolm's websites atmalcolmteesdale.com and
(47:55):
travelingenglishman.com.
Safe travels and enjoy life,everyone.
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