February 25, 2025 • 45 mins
Maui-born ukulele virtuoso Derick Sebastian is world-renown for enchanting global audiences and sharing stages with renowned artists like Jason Mraz and Boyz II Men, Derick discusses his musical journey and the profound impact of the "Aloha spirit". Derick also talks about his evolution into composing and producing music for film and television, and his upcoming memoir, 'Daydreaming with Purpose.' They delve into the essence of the Aloha spirit, Derick's pathway from personal loss to musical success, and his commitment to inspiring others. Derick offers practical advice and reflecting on how asking 'what if?' can lead to profound personal and professional growth.
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I'm your host louis hernandezAnd today I'm here with Derek
Sebastian.
Derek is a Maui born ukulelevirtuoso.
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He has enchanted globalaudiences, shared stages with
artists like Jason Raz and BoyzII Men, and he's performed at
venues such as Dodger Stadiumand the Pixar Animation Studios.
Expanding his creative horizons,Derek now composes and produces
music for film and television.
His upcoming book, Daydreamingwith Purpose, an inspirational
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memoir of the Aloha spirit inaction, chronicles his musical
journey and offers selfleadership strategies to turn
passion into profession.
Derek, welcome to The WayfinderShow.
Yes.
Aloha, Louis.
Thank you so much for having me,brother.
I appreciate you, man.
Yeah.
Likewise.
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Yeah.
Thank you.
Aloha to you.
So I'm curious, what is theAloha spirit?
Oh, man, you know, it's, it's,well, first of all, aloha in
Hawaii means hello, goodbye,love, you know, that's pretty
much the, the definition of theword itself, but here in Hawaii,
man, aloha is more or less, it'sa lifestyle, it's the way you
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live your life, uh, it's justbeing in gratitude, being an
appreciation, uh, just be, youknow, being, uh, in the moment
per se, uh, it's just lovingpeople, loving your
circumstances regardless.
Cheers.
Regardless of what you're goingthrough in life kind of deal.
It's that, uh, helping eachother walk home, uh, mentality.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and so it's that, um,Unconditional love man.
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Aloha.
I Love that.
I love I knew it meant hello,but I didn't realize you know
what the spirit was behind it.
That's beautiful.
Yeah Yeah, yeah, they call itthe aloha spirit man, you know,
just just embracing one another,you know of Everyone and anyone
and everyone of any walk oflife, you know, you know, I'm
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just accepting it You know justsay just basically acceptance
man.
It's all good I love that.
Yeah, we could all use thatright now.
We could all use some AlohaSpirit.
So that's great.
Sure thing, sure thing.
Yeah, so it seems like it's justpart of the culture and the
mindset there.
So maybe that's why Hawaiianpeople are just known to be such
beautiful, gracious people to bearound, right?
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I thought it was the weather.
So it's just a spirit actually,huh?
Yeah, I guess it's part of theweather too, man.
It keeps you smiling Hawaiiantime, you know, help you slow
down a little bit, you know.
Yeah, yeah, how can you not?
So tell us a little bit aboutyour journey.
How'd you uh, you have a prettyinspiring story I'll let you
share it As you see best Yeah,no, uh, again, mahalo.
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Um, you know, I'm, I'm born andraised here on the island of
Maui.
Um, I've been playing theukulele for 30, 31 years now.
It's been a long journey.
I grew up, you know, and Inever, uh, started off on the
ukulele to be quite honest.
You know, the journey wastechnically, um, um, well, I'm
going to back it up a littlebit.
I lost my dad.
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Had my dad passed away when Iwas three years old.
And what happened was when that,um, when that occurred, I didn't
really understand life.
I was three years old.
I was young.
My dad passed away from, uh,just a horrible industrial
accident as he was a mechanichere at the sugar cane plant.
But when he passed away, um, Ididn't really understand the
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whole process and why peoplewere around and so emotional and
all that.
Crazy stuff until I got a littleolder where um, you know, I just
started to question life thatwe're not having a dad There
there was a void and I was justtrying to fill that void.
I had bad asthma So mom didn'tlet me play too much sports and
let me be active to that matterSo it was pretty difficult until
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um, you know when when I guess Icould kind of realize that hey
I'm going to open houses And allthese school functions and, you
know, fundraisers and all thatstuff by myself or with my
sister and My mom's not aroundbecause she's busy working and
dad's not here and you know,that, that, that void started to
kind of take a little hold onme.
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Um, but I was blessed enough to,you know, mom let me play
baseball, I think age of nine or10 or something like that.
Uh, that was, uh, that was likea breath of fresh air, man.
It was like, wow, this is socool.
I was enjoying it.
And, you know, unfortunately, myasthma got bad again when I
turned 11 years old, about sixthgrade.
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And, um, it was back to thatvoid feeling kind of deal.
And, uh, I was just, one day,man, I was just cruising around
in school.
It became, um, just goingthrough the motion kind of deal.
Boring, you know, cause I wasnot, no, no baseball.
Just going, you know, just goingthrough the motions and just
going through school.
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Uh, and then one day I, Istumbled upon our, our good
family friend.
Uh, but he was working.
Working at a school security atthat time, uh, Mr.
Sam Ellis, and he was duringrecess, he was sitting on the
bench playing his ukulele.
And I kind of was like, Hey,what is that?
And you know, everybody was kindof gathered around him having
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fun, laughing and just joking.
And Mr.
Ellis was improvising, playingthe lo, you know, the local
songs, the local jams here inHawaii.
And I just gravitated to thatman.
I, I just experienced like purejoy of what he was doing.
And that kind of, you know, uh,just drew me to that space.
Uh, end up sitting with him thatday.
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He told me, Hey, you try.
And I was like, Oh my gosh.
I, I, I, you know, I strummed acouple of times, sounded
horrible, but it was fun.
Um, but that, that was a start,man.
That was, that was a fastforward journey of how I got
introduced to the ukulele.
Wow.
What was it?
Was it the sound or the peoplegathered around and, and, and
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just seeing the joy that hebrought to people or what, what
do you think it was about that?
I, I just, I just felt thatcarefree.
You know, no, no worries.
Just have fun, let loose, um,enjoy each other's company.
And that ukulele was that bridgeof that communication, that,
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that emotion, that feeling.
And I was like, man, I want, Iwant to be part of it, man.
I wanted to, you know, I wantedto have that carefree and just
emote.
Cause you know, growing upwithout a dad and just going
through these ups and downs andfeeling loneliness and lost and,
you know, baseball got takenaway and I was doing nothing but
going.
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cartoons after school.
Um, when the ukulele, I waslike, wow.
You know, when the ukulele cameinto play, I was, I was just
blown away.
And, uh, Mr.
Ellis was that, that angel inthe skies who, um, you know,
opened up a whole new world forme.
So, yeah.
Amazing.
And so that was the spark.
What, what, what happened next?
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What'd you do with that?
You know, Louie, um, I thinkabout two years, you know, sixth
grade to eighth grade.
I was obsessed with thatinstrument, man.
I played easy five hours a day.
I would, I would get up early inthe morning, play, go to school,
um, recess, play with Mr.
Jean, Mr.
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Ellis, play some ukulele thereafter school, same thing.
Um, you know, I think Ieventually went back to
baseball, but you know, I would,I would play before baseball
practice after baseball beforebed or whatever.
I mean, I was just obsessed withit where I wanted to master that
instrument.
And I was inspired by all thesedifferent genres of music.
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You know, obviously Hawaiian,contemporary Hawaiian, uh,
reggae.
I did enjoy the jazz classical.
I mean, all these pop rock and,you know, and I wanted to see if
I could play those genres on theukulele and, you know, That
really sparked like some kind ofdedication.
I experienced consistency andyou know, I think about eighth
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grade, it allowed me to startdreaming and having a bigger,
um, you know, just expandingthat mindset, man.
So I started to have all thesegoals.
I wanted to inspire.
You know, others and to travelthe world and tour around the
world, um, inspire othersthrough the ukulele and, you
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know, I think that's where itstarted.
It really had that foundationwhere, um, the ukulele just
allowed me to dream really.
So.
That's amazing.
So, uh, you know, I justrecently watched a movie, uh, it
was a biography, uh, of, uh,Carlos Santana.
I can't remember.
I think it was Santana is thename of it, right?
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Uh, great film and amazingartist, I'm sure you recognize.
And as you're describing yourstory, it's reminding me of
that, man.
Like, he just, you know,developed such a passion for it
and, um And he just wanted tocross all genres and he did and
you've done the same, you know,how, how neat was that?
Like you've, you've performedwith Jason Ross and Boyz II Men
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and there's a slew of others,right?
Um, how, how, what was, what'sthat been like?
Just to, to cross genres andperform with the people at the
top of, of those genres.
Yeah, um, you know, it's a dreamcome true man, you know, I I
manifested that to be quitehonest.
A lot of the things is you know,it's just everything leads to
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another you know Uh speaking ofcarlos santana.
I was playing locally here yearsback at this local restaurant
hula grill and uh Long storyshort man.
Uh, we're playing this Uh,cover, uh, original, a cover
song of his, uh, Oye Como Va,and we were jamming him.
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We were jamming him.
I was playing the ukulele.
I was with my trio band, and,um, man, all of a sudden, man, a
manager, um, well, back it up alittle bit.
My bandmates were kind of like,not freaking out, but their eyes
got kind of big, and I was.
Uh, in the, you know, in thezone playing and I didn't know
what's really, you know, what'sreally going on until after the,
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the song was done, the man, the,the restaurant manager came up
and said, hey, I'm not sure ifyou Um saw who was watching you
folks play But Carlos Santanasat right in front there and he
was watching you play andperform the song.
I didn't even know, but mybandmates knew and I was telling
them, why didn't you, you know,tell me or, you know, kind of
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like do this or whatever.
And dude, I was freaking out.
And, you know, long story short,um, You know, Carlos invited us
to his table.
We shared a few moments.
Um, very, very humble man.
Beautiful soul.
Very inviting.
I thought he was going to justchop me up about how I, you
know, just butchered the song,but he enjoyed it, man.
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Um, you know, we, it was, it wassuch a blur.
We didn't even get a picturetogether.
Uh, but it was such a greatexperience.
And, you know, on top of that,you know, I, I got a, you know,
My fir, I got three boys.
My first son is named Santana,so amazing.
Wow.
But, uh, what a dream come truemoment, Yeah, I mean, um, but
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you know, just to answer yourquestion, Louis, um, you know,
it's been a blessing to, to, um,not just manifest, um, who I
would love to have met and to,to jam with and to cross paths
with.
Um, but it's just a beautifulthing to.
To have music or ukulele in myworld, you know, the ukulele to
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bridge that gap to establishamazing, beautiful relationships
with all these other artists,you know, so, yeah, I'm curious,
uh, in performing with suchartists and, and becoming a peer
with them, right?
What, what, um, What have youlearned from them?
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You know, I, I've, I've crossedpaths with many artists and, uh,
celebrities, if you will, orestablished, um, professionals,
uh, if you will.
But, you know, at the end of theday, Louis, you know, I've, I've
learned, I, I don't getstarstruck to be quite honest.
Um, I've, I've never.
Got to that phase or that thatspace.
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Um, but what I've learned is,um, these, these guys are all
human beings like me.
And it's not what, you know, wedon't talk about talent.
We don't talk about money orfame or fortune.
We talk about life.
Um, we, we appreciate.
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our calling.
We, we, we discuss our purposein life.
Uh, we, we speak about whatmeans, what, what our journey
means to ourselves and what,what our intentions are to
others and inspiring others toour gifts.
And it's a beautiful thing, man.
Um, It's kind of hard to explainin words, but that the
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connection of knowing that wehave a gift from God, where we
were able to use that to notjust be on a platform, but to
give back and then to receivetoo.
So, um, it's a beautiful thing,you know, Louie to, um, yeah,
I've learned that it's notreally.
Not, you know, at the end of theday, I've learned, um, that is
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not, people don't reallyremember like the accolades or
the accomplishments that I'vedone or they've done.
You know, people remember howyou make them feel and, you
know, by just having that as oneof my foundations and mantras in
life, you know, I think that'spart of the big success right
there.
So, yeah.
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That's beautiful.
You talk a lot about, um,having, you know, your, your
passion, turning your passioninto, you know, what you do,
your purpose, as you say, right?
I think, well, your book isDaydreaming with Purpose.
Um, and you've been very, and Ithink a lot of us start out as
kids that way.
And somewhere along the way, wekind of get lost and that starts
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to wither away.
How have you been able tomaintain focus on keeping your
passion, um, alive?
Going in strong and growingprobably.
Right.
And, and making, uh, a life outof it.
Yeah.
Um, you know, I was, I thinkthe, the big part of it all is
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having, uh, Mr.
Ellis, uh, which, which, um, Mr.
Sam Ellis, who became my fatherfigure, or Hanai dad.
We call that in Hawaii, likeadopted dad.
Uh, you know, he, he really tookme under his wing, uh,
especially after he introducedme to the ukulele.
I mean, with all due respect, Ido surround myself with amazing
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people, especially a close groupof mentors and father figures as
well.
But Mr.
Ellis was one of the key peoplethat really laid out that
foundation of Yeah, dream big,you know, um, you know, dream
big and, and if, if, if thatdream doesn't scare you, it's
not big enough.
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And you know, as a 13, 14 yearold kid trying to dream big,
it's scary.
It's really scary.
It's almost impossible because.
It's like, how can I travel theworld?
You know, how can I connect mychildhood dream of, you know,
becoming a professional athlete?
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That was my dream back then.
And, you know, how, how can Iget to that, that level while
playing the ukulele?
I mean, it was almostimpossible.
Um, but Mr.
Ellis always, you know, showednumber one love.
and encouragement.
And from there, you know, he, hemade me feel that anything was
possible and I believe it.
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I believed it.
And he always told me that, youknow, you know, if you believe
it, you, you, and you can seeit, then you can easily achieve
it.
Um, it's just, it's just goingto take consistency and not
giving up, uh, along the waypeople give up and they get
discouraged.
But if you keep going and youkeep trying, you know, um,
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you'll find a way you keepknocking and one door will open.
And hopefully, you know, you gothrough that door, if you're
courageous and, you know, you'rebrave enough to go through that
door and embrace it, then, youknow, success lies on the other
side.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, is there like a, abreakthrough performance or
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moment or something that youkind of think of that really
just sparked all of your, yoursuccess and how you got
discovered and such?
Or did it just keep happening,you just kept performing and
then it just one led to theother?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, Louie, you know, itwas all in steps, you know, um,
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I mean, I was a kid who dreamtof going on stages here locally
on Maui, uh, entering ukulelecontests and all that stuff, you
know, I did it, I achieved it, Iwon contests and I lost some of
them, uh, but I wanted to starttraveling and playing, uh,
ukulele festivals and concertsaround the US that Um, that led
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to other things, you know, inthe sports world, you know,
performing halftime shows fromNCAA, men's basketball, women's
basketball, PGA.
MLB where, um, I kind ofstumbled upon meeting the CEO
and president of the ArizonaDiamondbacks here on Maui while
performing at the Hula Grill.
Same thing, man.
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And, um, you know, he invited meover to, to attend a baseball
game and, It kind of asked like,hey, you know, it kind of like
segway and he's asking, hey, whyare we, you know, you're on this
tour and this and that and howabout you come to Arizona?
I was like, sure.
And he said, he asked me if Ihad my ukulele.
I said, yeah.
And he asked me if I could dothe national anthem.
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And I said, yes.
But at that time I didn't knowthe song.
I just said, yes.
I was just so excited.
I said, yeah, let's do it.
And I remember hanging up thephone and thinking to myself, Oh
my gosh, what did I get myselfinto?
And, um, that led to many morebigger opportunities.
And, um, I don't think there'slike one particular moment that
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really defines, um, the successor that milestone per se.
Um, I'm just grateful that Ikeep evolving, I keep being
creative, you know, all thiswhole entire journey as a
creative or ukulele artist.
Um, has been amazing, man, hasbeen so blessed, uh, sometimes,
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you know, I forget, you know, Ioverlook the, the things that
I've accomplished, uh, I have toremind myself to, to stay humble
and be grateful, and, you know,that's just part of the journey,
man, so.
Yeah.
You know, let's talk about that,uh, that evolution there, now,
you're, you're, you're kind ofgoing through one now, where
you're going more from being alive performer to getting on,
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you know, to, to, to, uh, todoing.
TV, uh, shows and, and film and,and other forms of media, what,
what's that like?
Do you, is it just as enjoyable?
Do you, do you miss the liveperformances or what's that
whole transition like?
Oh man, you know, I, I've been,uh, performing artist for 20
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plus years.
Um, and it, I mean, to behonest, um, I was, when I
started, I mean, When I startedcommitting to becoming a real
full time artist and performingaround, not just Hawaii, but
throughout the U S and it becameinternationally, you know, it
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was like easy about five yearsstraight being gone a hundred
plus days out of the year awayfrom my wife and three boys.
So it was tough.
It was tough.
But at the same time, it was, itwas worth it because I got to
experience and live out thisdream, but I didn't, I wasn't
really clear on where it wasgoing to lead me to, but I knew
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it was just that calling that Ineed to respond to, you know,
but with faith, um, and the loveand support from my wife,
especially, and, and even thoughit was difficult, um, you know,
I had the support.
I had the support from my wifeand my needed families and all
that good stuff.
And, you know, I can recall onetime coming home from, you know,
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uh, uh, European ukulele tour inthe winter.
And, and I was, I was reallyburnt out from there, you know,
from, from that tour.
And I remember coming home.
To my wife one, you know, oneafter immediately after that, I
said, Hey, I don't want to, Idon't want to travel no more.
And she thought something badhappened to be quite honest.
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Uh, it wasn't, I was just burntout.
And, um, I just, I felt that Ineeded to kind of evolve a
little bit.
So I, you know, long storyshort, I, I started to tap into
more emoting.
More writing.
I wanted to see how song thereal, like real songwriting or
music composition was, was, youknow, the process.
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How, how was it or how is itactually?
So, you know, I, I startedtapping into songwriting and
going songwriting conferencesand then that led into music
licensing.
So Prof, um, you know, composingmusic or songwriting for, um,
television music, uh,television, um, TV commercials,
advertisements.
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So.
That's kind of like behind thescenes and that, that, that
still is an amazing journeyright now.
I'm currently in it, not asmuch, um, just because I'm, you
know, kind of transition into anauthorship journey now.
So, yeah, but you know, I justkeep evolving.
It keeps evolving and, you know,I'm very fortunate to experience
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this journey.
Yeah, so it sounds like yourtransition just came more out of
you being at a stage in lifeWhere you just didn't want to
travel you wanted to be aroundmore Probably with your family
and such and so the songwritingand in working for films and TV
and such Allowed for that morejust a evolution of life kind of
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yeah.
Yeah That makes sense.
Yeah.
Where, where do you see thatgoing next?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I, I, I thinkmusic will always be in me and,
and I still perform for privateevents today, uh, weddings,
corporate, I don't reallyperform on a regular basis,
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quote unquote at restaurants,lobby lounge.
and all that stuff.
Uh, local parties.
Um, you know, my time is kind ofspread thin a little bit and my
focus is creative.
Um, so, you know, I, I still dothe music licensing.
I still take in briefs.
Um, all those, you know, workingwith music supervisors,
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directors, uh, music librariesas well.
Uh, and all these songwritersand composers, um, that I work
throughout, you know, throughoutthe U.
S., Nashville, L.
A., um, even internationally aswell.
So, it's, it's a beautifulthing, um, but this, this next
big project is, um, the book,you know, Daydreaming With
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Purpose, and this is where I'mat right now, just, just
exploring this authorshipjourney now, so.
Yeah, and what inspired that?
You know, Louis, it was a seedthat was planted some years
back, and I had that vision ofwriting a book, um, but I always
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killed that idea.
I always thought, oh, it wouldbe so cool to be an author one
day and write a book, but thethought immediately of that, you
know, imposter syndrome, or I'mnot good enough, or who am I to
write a book?
You know, what stories are sospecial that everybody needs to
read about it?
So I always kind of like, youknow, kind of, kick that out or
kind of like downplay it andsuppress but long story short i
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mean i you know i became areally really good friend of and
he he's here on maui uh he's apublishing coach he's an author
i mean he's a speaker and youknow i just you know friend of a
friend i met him patrick patricksnow and He was, he would be
like always encouraging me, HeyDerek, you got to write your
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book.
I said, yeah, no, that's okay.
You know, he did it for liketwo, three years.
Like, and then 20, 2024 thisyear, you know, we sat down at
the coffee shop, we're havingsome coffee and he said.
I think it's time for you towrite this book.
I said, nah, maybe not.
And he said, no, no, no.
I think, I think you need todocument your stories.
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And I said, you know, my storiesare my stories and, you know,
maybe one day.
And I think he got a little bitfrustrated because I always just
kept putting it off and stufflike that.
Um, but he, he said, okay, thinkof it this way.
You need to start stamping yourlegacy.
You need to start telling yourstories, not just the success,
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but the struggles, you know,your family, your aloha, uh,
your, your, the ups and downsand everything in between.
Everybody sees you on this, youknow, your next success, your
next success.
Everybody wants to know what's,what's Derek Sebastian is all
about, what's his foundation,what's his purpose, what's his
calling.
And he said, if you're If you, Imean, when you write this book,
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at least write it for your threekids, your, your wife and your
three boys.
And so one day, when you're longgone, at least your boys can
tell their children or theirgreat, the great grandchildren
or your great, greatgrandchildren, you know, they
can show them that book and say,Hey, listen, this is where we
came from.
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And this is our foundation.
And this is, you know, Papa'slegacy or, you know, my dad's
legacy.
And when he said that, thatstruck a complete different
chord in my heart.
And that is when I said tomyself, you know what?
I'm going to write this darnbook.
And I started writing.
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I, I went to work, man.
Um, just easy waking up three,four in the morning and writing
and, you know, emoting.
And, uh, I think I got my roughdraft done in 30 days.
It wasn't close to being done,but.
You know the rough draft wasdone in 30 days, but obviously
we had to you know revise andadd and take out And that's a
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whole nother process, but atleast that rough draft of that
that book Was done in 30 days soWow Wow you really hit it hard.
How um how old are you boys now?
You know, Louis, I got threeboys, uh, Santana, he's 19, uh,
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Marley is 16, and Jackson is 14.
They're all old already.
I love, I love the names.
Oh, man.
That is amazing, that tells me alot about your influences right
there.
Amazing.
So, um, I'm curious as to if anyof them took, you know,
inspiration from you, and arenow performing, or, or, uh, you
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know, what?
Where they're at with it, likewhat's their reaction to this?
Ah, you know, Louis, I love myboys and I vowed from the get go
when they were born that I wouldnever force them or to live my
dreams through them.
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I, I do what I do, but I just,my goal in life as being the
best father I could be is justto encourage them and love them
and bring out the best in themin what they want to do and what
they.
should shine their light in thisworld.
So, you know, obviously they doplay ukulele.
I do not, um, force them toplay.
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I don't tell them to pick it upand practice with me.
In fact, I almost play hard toget because when they want to
play, I just, I try, I mean, weplay together, but when they
want to learn something, I said,Hey, you got to figure it out,
man.
Here's a few scales or patterns,but you got to continue to.
Listen to this.
You can just, I kind of teachyou note for note.
And I, I do that for a reasonbecause if they really, really
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want to learn the song, theywill, you know, there's so much
resources and I don't read, youknow, I don't, I don't, I don't
read sharps, flats, timesignatures and all that.
So, uh, music to me is moreemotions.
And I want them to explore thoseemotions to the songs that they
listen to, or at least what theyconnect to.
Um, the boys, my boys, they'reall into sports.
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Um, uh, especially my twoyounger ones now, uh, Marley and
Jackson, you know, they're,they're baseball.
Uh, I love sports as well.
So, you know, we can, we share apassion through that.
But, um, as, as far as myoldest.
You know, he, he, he playedbaseball a lot growing up, but
now he's exploring his creativeendeavors as a film and editor
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and in, in, you know, inproduction.
So he resides in Portland,Oregon, and he worked for, um,
you know, a production companyas you know, he, he does a lot
of editing work and he travels alot, um, exploring his passion
through film, film and, um,production.
So yeah.
Wow.
Neat.
Neat.
Very neat.
Well, I'm wondering who, whoshould pick up this book?
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And what, um, well, let's startthere.
Who, who should be reading yourbook?
You know, anyone who has acalling or they feel that
calling, or they, they sensethat they, their life should be
bigger than what it is rightnow.
Um, and, but they're scared,they're hesitant.
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Maybe they're listening to toomuch media or others telling
them what they.
It should be and what theyshould be doing or who should
they become.
Um, I've been there, you know,I've second guessed even myself,
my, you know, and I've heard alot of criticism.
I've, I've been rejected.
I said no a million.
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I mean, I've heard no, you know,and rejected thousands or maybe
millions of times.
I don't know.
It just, you know, but.
It's all about, you know, justbeing consistent and being on
that mission to find yourpurpose in life.
Um, it doesn't mean music.
It doesn't have to be anythingthat I think it is.
It's just something that, hey,you want to be a, you know, a
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doctor, a fireman, or you wantto sew, or you want to paint, or
you want to draw, or anythingthat you feel that You gotta
try.
You should try it becauseeverything leads to something.
And the most beautiful thing isif you go out of your comfort
zone, which most people's scaredto step out of that comfort
zone, that comfort circle, youknow, once you do step out of
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that comfort zone or yourcomfort zone, you start to grow,
you know, you start to, youstart to, um, be courageous in a
sense where to me, success isthat little step.
It's not because you justclimbed that mountain or you
achieve a trophy or you want anaward.
It's all about the next step.
Like, Hey, today, I'm I'm goingto make two, three, four, five
phone calls and I'm going to tryto book myself and you made
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those phone calls to me.
That's success because you grewa little bit, you know, you read
an article, you researched, uh,an artist or, you know,
anything.
Um, you know, it's all aboutbeing consistent and I think the
reader here, um, daydreamingwith purpose, it's all about
that.
It's all about, you know,determining, uh, you know.
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Your life and going after it.
I mean, you got, we all got onelife, man.
We got to give it all, right?
We got to give, uh, see where itall takes us.
And we got to, we got to try ourhardest to live and fulfill life
full of purpose and calling.
So, yeah.
So is it too late?
I'm 48 now, you know, almost 49in a couple of weeks.
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Is it too late for me to pick upthis book and get inspired by
it?
Never too late, Louie.
Come on, man.
You're still smiling.
We're all alive, you know.
My goal is to help you walk homeand help others as well and be
appreciative of where we are inlife and you know, not being,
um, I shouldn't say not beingcontent, but content to know the
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fact that you have everythingwhat you need and if you feel
that calling that you need to dosomething bigger, and more
impactful, I should say, in yourlife, then this book is for you.
You know, if you have the desireto, to go out and grow and to,
to, just to see what's out thereof what you can possibly be,
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then this book is for you.
Because daydreaming withpurpose, anybody can daydream,
man.
And a lot of people stopdaydreaming.
When they're daydreaming, it'sso sad.
Scared they stop and say, oh,you know, that's not for me.
I used to be like that.
But if you, if you start todaydream with purpose and you
start to think like, okay, wow,that was a cool dream.
But if you start to change yourmind, your thinking, and you
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start to manifest that, youknow, you start changing how you
speak about yourself and how,how you speak about
accomplishing that calling orthat goal or that purpose.
And once you start changing theway you speak, I think that's
where the magic happens, man,because your actions just
magically.
Um, you know, you start doingactions, you start doing calls
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or emails, or you start beingcourageous and start going out
there and shaking hands and, youknow, um, just going after it,
you know, so daydream withpurpose.
I think, I think there's,there's a lot to it, you know,
there's, there's a, there's alot of courageous, um, you know,
being courageous is pretty muchit right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What is, give us a, that, giveus like a, a really, uh,
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practical.
And how to speak, you know, how,how should we be speaking either
to others or ourselves rightnow?
Like it was like exactly what tosay.
Two words, man.
Just ask yourself, what if?
What if?
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You know, I always ask myself,what if?
Like, what if I can do that?
Or what if I can be this?
Or what if I could change orinspire that life?
You know, what, what if?
I mean, it's a real, real simpleperspective, but it can go very,
very deep.
You don't want to go too wide onthat because you can just, yeah,
(36:10):
what if, what if, what if, butwhat if you really, really,
really put your time and energyand say, what if I can inspire
someone's life by doing or, or,and, you know, responding to my
calling and fulfilling thatpurpose, you know, you know,
back then when I started playingukulele, Louie, It was not a
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popular instrument.
I used to get teased playingukulele, you know, I used to get
put down.
And when I started getting intoit, uh, even family members
started doubting me, like, Hey,what are you playing this
ukulele for?
Is it for attention?
Or, I mean, it wasn't anythingthat they wanted to shut me
down.
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It was just, it was hard toprocess that I'm playing the
ukulele.
I'm being successful to a pointwhere I'm enjoying it.
They see this.
But they don't know how toprocess it because they've never
seen it before.
And it was out of love and maybeprotection per se.
But I always ask myself, whatif?
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You know, what if I could travelthe world and play ukulele?
And I've done it.
What if I could, you know, meetJason Mraz and play with him,
jam with him and collaborate?
You know, I did it.
What if I could, you know, be aTED Talk speaker?
I did that.
You know, what if I could travelthe U.
S.
and international and play allthese stages, uh, ukulele
(37:34):
festivals, house concerts,workshops, um, you know, I've
done that, you know, I, what if,um, what if I could play for the
Los Angeles Lakers at theirStaples Center and be the first
ukulele player to do it, um, Ontheir home court in Los Angeles,
I, you know, I did it and itcame to an historic evening
(37:55):
where it was Kobe Bryant'sretirement year back in 2016.
And it was a, it was a crazyevening where it was Kobe's last
time, uh, versing, uh, LeBronJames when he came in from
Cavalier, uh, ClevelandCavaliers.
Um, you know, that happened.
You know what, I mean, there'sso much, um, yeah, what if, I, I
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think what if is, is simple butyet it can go very deep.
Man, I absolutely love that.
And I think if you were torewrite this book or another
book, that would be a greattitle for it.
All right.
That's Louis, it's yours,brother.
Go for it.
Yeah.
What if I write the book calledWhat If?
That's it.
What if you write the book, man?
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Let's go.
Yeah.
I gotta give you credit for thatone if I do.
Go for it, brother.
It's all on you.
Yeah.
Well, Derek, on that note, let'suh, switch over to our Wayfinder
4.
Alright?
So give us A hack that you use,just kind of something you use
to cheat life with, and youcan't say asking what if.
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Life hack?
Yeah.
Oh, for me, kill them withkindness, man.
Just love, love people, period.
Love your enemies, love yourfamily, love your friends, love
your loved ones.
Because at the end of the day,at the end of the day, it
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doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what peoplethink of you, it matters what
you did for yourself, and whatyou gave.
And if you gave it your all, andyou gave it your love, you gave
it your aloha, despite if theythink differently of you, it
doesn't matter because you'refulfilling your side of life,
you're giving, you're giving,you're giving love, and I
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believe it all comes back.
So, I think love is a life hackfor me, I try not to judge, I'm
a human being, I do judge, I getscared.
Uh, but I think, I think my lovewhere I'm at in life right now,
I think love is pretty much thefoundation of my life and
appreciate everything from love.
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You know, it just builds fromthere.
The respect, the appreciation,um, the going after your dreams
in life is because you loveyourself, you know, and you
appreciate it and you respectit.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
It sounds like the Aloha spiritall over again, right there.
So what about a favorite?
This could be a book, a show,activity outside of the ukulele,
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which I learned how to pronouncewith you today.
Yeah.
You're doing it.
You're doing great, Louis.
Ukulele.
Ukulele.
Ukulele.
Shocks, what was your question?
I saw a favorite.
It's okay.
A favorite.
A favorite.
Oh, could be anything.
Yeah.
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Oh, man.
I love apple pies, man.
I just went from left fieldbrother.
I love apple pies.
I love sweets.
I'm a sweet tooth appleturnovers.
Um, I go crazy over that stuff,man.
It's so dangerous.
Um, when there's apple pie oranything, apple pastries, man, I
go straight for it.
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I skip the real meal.
To me, it is the real meal, but,um, yeah, man, that's my
favorite.
Apple pie and good sports,whatever.
I'm good.
I'm simple, man.
Okay.
Cool.
What about a piece of advice foryour younger self?
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Kind of giving us a lot already.
Oh, I love it.
Um, I would say be kind and giveyourself room to grow Don't just
be patient and trust the processand everything happens for a
reason and trust the best is yetto come That would be my advice
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to my younger self I I was outon a mission and I'm still I am
still on a mission, but I thinkThat would be my best advice for
my younger self and just trustthe process and keep smiling and
you are where you are for areason and there's always room
to, you know, for growth and forappreciation.
(42:25):
So, yeah.
Excellent.
What about a big opportunitythat you're chasing right now?
You know, Louis, um, it's just,it's just kind of scary, but I
think I'm after it in a goodway.
You know, this book was more ofa legacy project because my
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intention was to document mystories.
But I've, I've realized thatthis book.
It's bigger than me.
It's a message.
It's, it's self empowerment andit's, it's to inspire others,
not through my music, butthrough my words, through my
experiences, through life,through the relationships that
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I've, you know, experienced, myfamily, my wife, my kids, um,
the, the doubts, the depression,the asthma, the, you know, being
asthmatic and, you know, justgoing these ups and downs.
It's pretty open and transparentin this book.
Um, I think the stories needs tobe heard and for From there, uh,
the opportunities of becoming acoach, a life coach, maybe a
speaker, a keynote speaker, um,and just branch from there, you
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know, um, just, just focusingmore on impact, you know,
inspiration.
So I think that's the next stagefor me in life and still using
my music as well.
I mean, I could.
Yeah, you know, be a keynotespeaker while playing the
ukulele.
I don't, I'm not sure.
I mean, definitely could, couldwork.
I've done it with the TED talksfor sure.
Um, but yeah, I think that'sthe, the bigger stage here is,
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is just sharing more of thewords rather than going it
through the ukulele, if thatmakes sense.
So, yeah.
That's great.
So if people want to get yourbook and know more about you,
where should they go?
Yeah, um, it, it's based, Imean, we've got two websites,
DerekSebastian.
com.
I think that's the best, um,place.
D E R I C K Sebastian.
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com.
Uh, you'll find all theinformation there about my book,
um, Daydreaming With Purpose,and all my socials, all my
services, all that good stuff,man.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Well, thank you for being here,man.
I think you've inspired a lot ofour listeners.
You've definitely inspired meUh, so thank you for being here
and sharing a little bit aboutyourself Derek and I wish you
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the best with your journey No,thank you.
Um, no, I appreciate it brotherand thank you for your energy
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Uh, your podcast is amazing yourvibe your energy is there as
well And uh, you know, Iappreciate your time brother for
(45:30):
real.
So, thank you.
Thank you
Kill them with kindness, man,just love, love people, period.
Love your enemies, love yourfamily, love your friends, love
your loved ones.
Because at the end of the day,at the end of the day, it
doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what peoplethink of you.
It matters what you did foryourself and what you gave.
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Welcome to The Wayfinder Showwith Luis Hernandez, where
guests discuss the why and howof making changes that lead them
down a more authentic path orallow them to level up in some
area of their life.
Our goal is to dig deep andprovide not only knowledge, but
actionable advice to help youget from where you are to where
you want to be.
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Come join us and find the way toyour dream life.
Welcome back to the wayfindershow.
I'm your host louis hernandezAnd today I'm here with Derek
Sebastian.
Derek is a Maui born ukulelevirtuoso.
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He has enchanted globalaudiences, shared stages with
artists like Jason Raz and BoyzII Men, and he's performed at
venues such as Dodger Stadiumand the Pixar Animation Studios.
Expanding his creative horizons,Derek now composes and produces
music for film and television.
His upcoming book, Daydreamingwith Purpose, an inspirational
(01:36):
memoir of the Aloha spirit inaction, chronicles his musical
journey and offers selfleadership strategies to turn
passion into profession.
Derek, welcome to The WayfinderShow.
Yes.
Aloha, Louis.
Thank you so much for having me,brother.
I appreciate you, man.
Yeah.
Likewise.
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Yeah.
Thank you.
Aloha to you.
So I'm curious, what is theAloha spirit?
Oh, man, you know, it's, it's,well, first of all, aloha in
Hawaii means hello, goodbye,love, you know, that's pretty
much the, the definition of theword itself, but here in Hawaii,
man, aloha is more or less, it'sa lifestyle, it's the way you
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live your life, uh, it's justbeing in gratitude, being an
appreciation, uh, just be, youknow, being, uh, in the moment
per se, uh, it's just lovingpeople, loving your
circumstances regardless.
Cheers.
Regardless of what you're goingthrough in life kind of deal.
It's that, uh, helping eachother walk home, uh, mentality.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and so it's that, um,Unconditional love man.
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Aloha.
I Love that.
I love I knew it meant hello,but I didn't realize you know
what the spirit was behind it.
That's beautiful.
Yeah Yeah, yeah, they call itthe aloha spirit man, you know,
just just embracing one another,you know of Everyone and anyone
and everyone of any walk oflife, you know, you know, I'm
(03:03):
just accepting it You know justsay just basically acceptance
man.
It's all good I love that.
Yeah, we could all use thatright now.
We could all use some AlohaSpirit.
So that's great.
Sure thing, sure thing.
Yeah, so it seems like it's justpart of the culture and the
mindset there.
So maybe that's why Hawaiianpeople are just known to be such
beautiful, gracious people to bearound, right?
(03:25):
I thought it was the weather.
So it's just a spirit actually,huh?
Yeah, I guess it's part of theweather too, man.
It keeps you smiling Hawaiiantime, you know, help you slow
down a little bit, you know.
Yeah, yeah, how can you not?
So tell us a little bit aboutyour journey.
How'd you uh, you have a prettyinspiring story I'll let you
share it As you see best Yeah,no, uh, again, mahalo.
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Um, you know, I'm, I'm born andraised here on the island of
Maui.
Um, I've been playing theukulele for 30, 31 years now.
It's been a long journey.
I grew up, you know, and Inever, uh, started off on the
ukulele to be quite honest.
You know, the journey wastechnically, um, um, well, I'm
going to back it up a littlebit.
I lost my dad.
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Had my dad passed away when Iwas three years old.
And what happened was when that,um, when that occurred, I didn't
really understand life.
I was three years old.
I was young.
My dad passed away from, uh,just a horrible industrial
accident as he was a mechanichere at the sugar cane plant.
But when he passed away, um, Ididn't really understand the
(04:31):
whole process and why peoplewere around and so emotional and
all that.
Crazy stuff until I got a littleolder where um, you know, I just
started to question life thatwe're not having a dad There
there was a void and I was justtrying to fill that void.
I had bad asthma So mom didn'tlet me play too much sports and
let me be active to that matterSo it was pretty difficult until
(04:55):
um, you know when when I guess Icould kind of realize that hey
I'm going to open houses And allthese school functions and, you
know, fundraisers and all thatstuff by myself or with my
sister and My mom's not aroundbecause she's busy working and
dad's not here and you know,that, that, that void started to
kind of take a little hold onme.
(05:17):
Um, but I was blessed enough to,you know, mom let me play
baseball, I think age of nine or10 or something like that.
Uh, that was, uh, that was likea breath of fresh air, man.
It was like, wow, this is socool.
I was enjoying it.
And, you know, unfortunately, myasthma got bad again when I
turned 11 years old, about sixthgrade.
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And, um, it was back to thatvoid feeling kind of deal.
And, uh, I was just, one day,man, I was just cruising around
in school.
It became, um, just goingthrough the motion kind of deal.
Boring, you know, cause I wasnot, no, no baseball.
Just going, you know, just goingthrough the motions and just
going through school.
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Uh, and then one day I, Istumbled upon our, our good
family friend.
Uh, but he was working.
Working at a school security atthat time, uh, Mr.
Sam Ellis, and he was duringrecess, he was sitting on the
bench playing his ukulele.
And I kind of was like, Hey,what is that?
And you know, everybody was kindof gathered around him having
(06:20):
fun, laughing and just joking.
And Mr.
Ellis was improvising, playingthe lo, you know, the local
songs, the local jams here inHawaii.
And I just gravitated to thatman.
I, I just experienced like purejoy of what he was doing.
And that kind of, you know, uh,just drew me to that space.
Uh, end up sitting with him thatday.
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He told me, Hey, you try.
And I was like, Oh my gosh.
I, I, I, you know, I strummed acouple of times, sounded
horrible, but it was fun.
Um, but that, that was a start,man.
That was, that was a fastforward journey of how I got
introduced to the ukulele.
Wow.
What was it?
Was it the sound or the peoplegathered around and, and, and
(07:02):
just seeing the joy that hebrought to people or what, what
do you think it was about that?
I, I just, I just felt thatcarefree.
You know, no, no worries.
Just have fun, let loose, um,enjoy each other's company.
And that ukulele was that bridgeof that communication, that,
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that emotion, that feeling.
And I was like, man, I want, Iwant to be part of it, man.
I wanted to, you know, I wantedto have that carefree and just
emote.
Cause you know, growing upwithout a dad and just going
through these ups and downs andfeeling loneliness and lost and,
you know, baseball got takenaway and I was doing nothing but
going.
(07:45):
cartoons after school.
Um, when the ukulele, I waslike, wow.
You know, when the ukulele cameinto play, I was, I was just
blown away.
And, uh, Mr.
Ellis was that, that angel inthe skies who, um, you know,
opened up a whole new world forme.
So, yeah.
Amazing.
And so that was the spark.
What, what, what happened next?
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What'd you do with that?
You know, Louie, um, I thinkabout two years, you know, sixth
grade to eighth grade.
I was obsessed with thatinstrument, man.
I played easy five hours a day.
I would, I would get up early inthe morning, play, go to school,
um, recess, play with Mr.
Jean, Mr.
(08:25):
Ellis, play some ukulele thereafter school, same thing.
Um, you know, I think Ieventually went back to
baseball, but you know, I would,I would play before baseball
practice after baseball beforebed or whatever.
I mean, I was just obsessed withit where I wanted to master that
instrument.
And I was inspired by all thesedifferent genres of music.
(08:49):
You know, obviously Hawaiian,contemporary Hawaiian, uh,
reggae.
I did enjoy the jazz classical.
I mean, all these pop rock and,you know, and I wanted to see if
I could play those genres on theukulele and, you know, That
really sparked like some kind ofdedication.
I experienced consistency andyou know, I think about eighth
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grade, it allowed me to startdreaming and having a bigger,
um, you know, just expandingthat mindset, man.
So I started to have all thesegoals.
I wanted to inspire.
You know, others and to travelthe world and tour around the
world, um, inspire othersthrough the ukulele and, you
(09:34):
know, I think that's where itstarted.
It really had that foundationwhere, um, the ukulele just
allowed me to dream really.
So.
That's amazing.
So, uh, you know, I justrecently watched a movie, uh, it
was a biography, uh, of, uh,Carlos Santana.
I can't remember.
I think it was Santana is thename of it, right?
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Uh, great film and amazingartist, I'm sure you recognize.
And as you're describing yourstory, it's reminding me of
that, man.
Like, he just, you know,developed such a passion for it
and, um And he just wanted tocross all genres and he did and
you've done the same, you know,how, how neat was that?
Like you've, you've performedwith Jason Ross and Boyz II Men
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and there's a slew of others,right?
Um, how, how, what was, what'sthat been like?
Just to, to cross genres andperform with the people at the
top of, of those genres.
Yeah, um, you know, it's a dreamcome true man, you know, I I
manifested that to be quitehonest.
A lot of the things is you know,it's just everything leads to
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another you know Uh speaking ofcarlos santana.
I was playing locally here yearsback at this local restaurant
hula grill and uh Long storyshort man.
Uh, we're playing this Uh,cover, uh, original, a cover
song of his, uh, Oye Como Va,and we were jamming him.
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We were jamming him.
I was playing the ukulele.
I was with my trio band, and,um, man, all of a sudden, man, a
manager, um, well, back it up alittle bit.
My bandmates were kind of like,not freaking out, but their eyes
got kind of big, and I was.
Uh, in the, you know, in thezone playing and I didn't know
what's really, you know, what'sreally going on until after the,
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the song was done, the man, the,the restaurant manager came up
and said, hey, I'm not sure ifyou Um saw who was watching you
folks play But Carlos Santanasat right in front there and he
was watching you play andperform the song.
I didn't even know, but mybandmates knew and I was telling
them, why didn't you, you know,tell me or, you know, kind of
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like do this or whatever.
And dude, I was freaking out.
And, you know, long story short,um, You know, Carlos invited us
to his table.
We shared a few moments.
Um, very, very humble man.
Beautiful soul.
Very inviting.
I thought he was going to justchop me up about how I, you
know, just butchered the song,but he enjoyed it, man.
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Um, you know, we, it was, it wassuch a blur.
We didn't even get a picturetogether.
Uh, but it was such a greatexperience.
And, you know, on top of that,you know, I, I got a, you know,
My fir, I got three boys.
My first son is named Santana,so amazing.
Wow.
But, uh, what a dream come truemoment, Yeah, I mean, um, but
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you know, just to answer yourquestion, Louis, um, you know,
it's been a blessing to, to, um,not just manifest, um, who I
would love to have met and to,to jam with and to cross paths
with.
Um, but it's just a beautifulthing to.
To have music or ukulele in myworld, you know, the ukulele to
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bridge that gap to establishamazing, beautiful relationships
with all these other artists,you know, so, yeah, I'm curious,
uh, in performing with suchartists and, and becoming a peer
with them, right?
What, what, um, What have youlearned from them?
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You know, I, I've, I've crossedpaths with many artists and, uh,
celebrities, if you will, orestablished, um, professionals,
uh, if you will.
But, you know, at the end of theday, Louis, you know, I've, I've
learned, I, I don't getstarstruck to be quite honest.
Um, I've, I've never.
Got to that phase or that thatspace.
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Um, but what I've learned is,um, these, these guys are all
human beings like me.
And it's not what, you know, wedon't talk about talent.
We don't talk about money orfame or fortune.
We talk about life.
Um, we, we appreciate.
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our calling.
We, we, we discuss our purposein life.
Uh, we, we speak about whatmeans, what, what our journey
means to ourselves and what,what our intentions are to
others and inspiring others toour gifts.
And it's a beautiful thing, man.
Um, It's kind of hard to explainin words, but that the
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connection of knowing that wehave a gift from God, where we
were able to use that to notjust be on a platform, but to
give back and then to receivetoo.
So, um, it's a beautiful thing,you know, Louie to, um, yeah,
I've learned that it's notreally.
Not, you know, at the end of theday, I've learned, um, that is
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not, people don't reallyremember like the accolades or
the accomplishments that I'vedone or they've done.
You know, people remember howyou make them feel and, you
know, by just having that as oneof my foundations and mantras in
life, you know, I think that'spart of the big success right
there.
So, yeah.
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That's beautiful.
You talk a lot about, um,having, you know, your, your
passion, turning your passioninto, you know, what you do,
your purpose, as you say, right?
I think, well, your book isDaydreaming with Purpose.
Um, and you've been very, and Ithink a lot of us start out as
kids that way.
And somewhere along the way, wekind of get lost and that starts
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to wither away.
How have you been able tomaintain focus on keeping your
passion, um, alive?
Going in strong and growingprobably.
Right.
And, and making, uh, a life outof it.
Yeah.
Um, you know, I was, I thinkthe, the big part of it all is
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having, uh, Mr.
Ellis, uh, which, which, um, Mr.
Sam Ellis, who became my fatherfigure, or Hanai dad.
We call that in Hawaii, likeadopted dad.
Uh, you know, he, he really tookme under his wing, uh,
especially after he introducedme to the ukulele.
I mean, with all due respect, Ido surround myself with amazing
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people, especially a close groupof mentors and father figures as
well.
But Mr.
Ellis was one of the key peoplethat really laid out that
foundation of Yeah, dream big,you know, um, you know, dream
big and, and if, if, if thatdream doesn't scare you, it's
not big enough.
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And you know, as a 13, 14 yearold kid trying to dream big,
it's scary.
It's really scary.
It's almost impossible because.
It's like, how can I travel theworld?
You know, how can I connect mychildhood dream of, you know,
becoming a professional athlete?
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That was my dream back then.
And, you know, how, how can Iget to that, that level while
playing the ukulele?
I mean, it was almostimpossible.
Um, but Mr.
Ellis always, you know, showednumber one love.
and encouragement.
And from there, you know, he, hemade me feel that anything was
possible and I believe it.
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I believed it.
And he always told me that, youknow, you know, if you believe
it, you, you, and you can seeit, then you can easily achieve
it.
Um, it's just, it's just goingto take consistency and not
giving up, uh, along the waypeople give up and they get
discouraged.
But if you keep going and youkeep trying, you know, um,
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you'll find a way you keepknocking and one door will open.
And hopefully, you know, you gothrough that door, if you're
courageous and, you know, you'rebrave enough to go through that
door and embrace it, then, youknow, success lies on the other
side.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, is there like a, abreakthrough performance or
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moment or something that youkind of think of that really
just sparked all of your, yoursuccess and how you got
discovered and such?
Or did it just keep happening,you just kept performing and
then it just one led to theother?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, Louie, you know, itwas all in steps, you know, um,
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I mean, I was a kid who dreamtof going on stages here locally
on Maui, uh, entering ukulelecontests and all that stuff, you
know, I did it, I achieved it, Iwon contests and I lost some of
them, uh, but I wanted to starttraveling and playing, uh,
ukulele festivals and concertsaround the US that Um, that led
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to other things, you know, inthe sports world, you know,
performing halftime shows fromNCAA, men's basketball, women's
basketball, PGA.
MLB where, um, I kind ofstumbled upon meeting the CEO
and president of the ArizonaDiamondbacks here on Maui while
performing at the Hula Grill.
Same thing, man.
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And, um, you know, he invited meover to, to attend a baseball
game and, It kind of asked like,hey, you know, it kind of like
segway and he's asking, hey, whyare we, you know, you're on this
tour and this and that and howabout you come to Arizona?
I was like, sure.
And he said, he asked me if Ihad my ukulele.
I said, yeah.
And he asked me if I could dothe national anthem.
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And I said, yes.
But at that time I didn't knowthe song.
I just said, yes.
I was just so excited.
I said, yeah, let's do it.
And I remember hanging up thephone and thinking to myself, Oh
my gosh, what did I get myselfinto?
And, um, that led to many morebigger opportunities.
And, um, I don't think there'slike one particular moment that
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really defines, um, the successor that milestone per se.
Um, I'm just grateful that Ikeep evolving, I keep being
creative, you know, all thiswhole entire journey as a
creative or ukulele artist.
Um, has been amazing, man, hasbeen so blessed, uh, sometimes,
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you know, I forget, you know, Ioverlook the, the things that
I've accomplished, uh, I have toremind myself to, to stay humble
and be grateful, and, you know,that's just part of the journey,
man, so.
Yeah.
You know, let's talk about that,uh, that evolution there, now,
you're, you're, you're kind ofgoing through one now, where
you're going more from being alive performer to getting on,
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you know, to, to, to, uh, todoing.
TV, uh, shows and, and film and,and other forms of media, what,
what's that like?
Do you, is it just as enjoyable?
Do you, do you miss the liveperformances or what's that
whole transition like?
Oh man, you know, I, I've been,uh, performing artist for 20
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plus years.
Um, and it, I mean, to behonest, um, I was, when I
started, I mean, When I startedcommitting to becoming a real
full time artist and performingaround, not just Hawaii, but
throughout the U S and it becameinternationally, you know, it
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was like easy about five yearsstraight being gone a hundred
plus days out of the year awayfrom my wife and three boys.
So it was tough.
It was tough.
But at the same time, it was, itwas worth it because I got to
experience and live out thisdream, but I didn't, I wasn't
really clear on where it wasgoing to lead me to, but I knew
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it was just that calling that Ineed to respond to, you know,
but with faith, um, and the loveand support from my wife,
especially, and, and even thoughit was difficult, um, you know,
I had the support.
I had the support from my wifeand my needed families and all
that good stuff.
And, you know, I can recall onetime coming home from, you know,
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uh, uh, European ukulele tour inthe winter.
And, and I was, I was reallyburnt out from there, you know,
from, from that tour.
And I remember coming home.
To my wife one, you know, oneafter immediately after that, I
said, Hey, I don't want to, Idon't want to travel no more.
And she thought something badhappened to be quite honest.
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Uh, it wasn't, I was just burntout.
And, um, I just, I felt that Ineeded to kind of evolve a
little bit.
So I, you know, long storyshort, I, I started to tap into
more emoting.
More writing.
I wanted to see how song thereal, like real songwriting or
music composition was, was, youknow, the process.
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How, how was it or how is itactually?
So, you know, I, I startedtapping into songwriting and
going songwriting conferencesand then that led into music
licensing.
So Prof, um, you know, composingmusic or songwriting for, um,
television music, uh,television, um, TV commercials,
advertisements.
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So.
That's kind of like behind thescenes and that, that, that
still is an amazing journeyright now.
I'm currently in it, not asmuch, um, just because I'm, you
know, kind of transition into anauthorship journey now.
So, yeah, but you know, I justkeep evolving.
It keeps evolving and, you know,I'm very fortunate to experience
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this journey.
Yeah, so it sounds like yourtransition just came more out of
you being at a stage in lifeWhere you just didn't want to
travel you wanted to be aroundmore Probably with your family
and such and so the songwritingand in working for films and TV
and such Allowed for that morejust a evolution of life kind of
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yeah.
Yeah That makes sense.
Yeah.
Where, where do you see thatgoing next?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I, I, I thinkmusic will always be in me and,
and I still perform for privateevents today, uh, weddings,
corporate, I don't reallyperform on a regular basis,
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quote unquote at restaurants,lobby lounge.
and all that stuff.
Uh, local parties.
Um, you know, my time is kind ofspread thin a little bit and my
focus is creative.
Um, so, you know, I, I still dothe music licensing.
I still take in briefs.
Um, all those, you know, workingwith music supervisors,
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directors, uh, music librariesas well.
Uh, and all these songwritersand composers, um, that I work
throughout, you know, throughoutthe U.
S., Nashville, L.
A., um, even internationally aswell.
So, it's, it's a beautifulthing, um, but this, this next
big project is, um, the book,you know, Daydreaming With
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Purpose, and this is where I'mat right now, just, just
exploring this authorshipjourney now, so.
Yeah, and what inspired that?
You know, Louis, it was a seedthat was planted some years
back, and I had that vision ofwriting a book, um, but I always
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killed that idea.
I always thought, oh, it wouldbe so cool to be an author one
day and write a book, but thethought immediately of that, you
know, imposter syndrome, or I'mnot good enough, or who am I to
write a book?
You know, what stories are sospecial that everybody needs to
read about it?
So I always kind of like, youknow, kind of, kick that out or
kind of like downplay it andsuppress but long story short i
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mean i you know i became areally really good friend of and
he he's here on maui uh he's apublishing coach he's an author
i mean he's a speaker and youknow i just you know friend of a
friend i met him patrick patricksnow and He was, he would be
like always encouraging me, HeyDerek, you got to write your
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book.
I said, yeah, no, that's okay.
You know, he did it for liketwo, three years.
Like, and then 20, 2024 thisyear, you know, we sat down at
the coffee shop, we're havingsome coffee and he said.
I think it's time for you towrite this book.
I said, nah, maybe not.
And he said, no, no, no.
I think, I think you need todocument your stories.
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And I said, you know, my storiesare my stories and, you know,
maybe one day.
And I think he got a little bitfrustrated because I always just
kept putting it off and stufflike that.
Um, but he, he said, okay, thinkof it this way.
You need to start stamping yourlegacy.
You need to start telling yourstories, not just the success,
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but the struggles, you know,your family, your aloha, uh,
your, your, the ups and downsand everything in between.
Everybody sees you on this, youknow, your next success, your
next success.
Everybody wants to know what's,what's Derek Sebastian is all
about, what's his foundation,what's his purpose, what's his
calling.
And he said, if you're If you, Imean, when you write this book,
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at least write it for your threekids, your, your wife and your
three boys.
And so one day, when you're longgone, at least your boys can
tell their children or theirgreat, the great grandchildren
or your great, greatgrandchildren, you know, they
can show them that book and say,Hey, listen, this is where we
came from.
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And this is our foundation.
And this is, you know, Papa'slegacy or, you know, my dad's
legacy.
And when he said that, thatstruck a complete different
chord in my heart.
And that is when I said tomyself, you know what?
I'm going to write this darnbook.
And I started writing.
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I, I went to work, man.
Um, just easy waking up three,four in the morning and writing
and, you know, emoting.
And, uh, I think I got my roughdraft done in 30 days.
It wasn't close to being done,but.
You know the rough draft wasdone in 30 days, but obviously
we had to you know revise andadd and take out And that's a
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whole nother process, but atleast that rough draft of that
that book Was done in 30 days soWow Wow you really hit it hard.
How um how old are you boys now?
You know, Louis, I got threeboys, uh, Santana, he's 19, uh,
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Marley is 16, and Jackson is 14.
They're all old already.
I love, I love the names.
Oh, man.
That is amazing, that tells me alot about your influences right
there.
Amazing.
So, um, I'm curious as to if anyof them took, you know,
inspiration from you, and arenow performing, or, or, uh, you
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know, what?
Where they're at with it, likewhat's their reaction to this?
Ah, you know, Louis, I love myboys and I vowed from the get go
when they were born that I wouldnever force them or to live my
dreams through them.
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I, I do what I do, but I just,my goal in life as being the
best father I could be is justto encourage them and love them
and bring out the best in themin what they want to do and what
they.
should shine their light in thisworld.
So, you know, obviously they doplay ukulele.
I do not, um, force them toplay.
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I don't tell them to pick it upand practice with me.
In fact, I almost play hard toget because when they want to
play, I just, I try, I mean, weplay together, but when they
want to learn something, I said,Hey, you got to figure it out,
man.
Here's a few scales or patterns,but you got to continue to.
Listen to this.
You can just, I kind of teachyou note for note.
And I, I do that for a reasonbecause if they really, really
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want to learn the song, theywill, you know, there's so much
resources and I don't read, youknow, I don't, I don't, I don't
read sharps, flats, timesignatures and all that.
So, uh, music to me is moreemotions.
And I want them to explore thoseemotions to the songs that they
listen to, or at least what theyconnect to.
Um, the boys, my boys, they'reall into sports.
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Um, uh, especially my twoyounger ones now, uh, Marley and
Jackson, you know, they're,they're baseball.
Uh, I love sports as well.
So, you know, we can, we share apassion through that.
But, um, as, as far as myoldest.
You know, he, he, he playedbaseball a lot growing up, but
now he's exploring his creativeendeavors as a film and editor
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and in, in, you know, inproduction.
So he resides in Portland,Oregon, and he worked for, um,
you know, a production companyas you know, he, he does a lot
of editing work and he travels alot, um, exploring his passion
through film, film and, um,production.
So yeah.
Wow.
Neat.
Neat.
Very neat.
Well, I'm wondering who, whoshould pick up this book?
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And what, um, well, let's startthere.
Who, who should be reading yourbook?
You know, anyone who has acalling or they feel that
calling, or they, they sensethat they, their life should be
bigger than what it is rightnow.
Um, and, but they're scared,they're hesitant.
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Maybe they're listening to toomuch media or others telling
them what they.
It should be and what theyshould be doing or who should
they become.
Um, I've been there, you know,I've second guessed even myself,
my, you know, and I've heard alot of criticism.
I've, I've been rejected.
I said no a million.
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I mean, I've heard no, you know,and rejected thousands or maybe
millions of times.
I don't know.
It just, you know, but.
It's all about, you know, justbeing consistent and being on
that mission to find yourpurpose in life.
Um, it doesn't mean music.
It doesn't have to be anythingthat I think it is.
It's just something that, hey,you want to be a, you know, a
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doctor, a fireman, or you wantto sew, or you want to paint, or
you want to draw, or anythingthat you feel that You gotta
try.
You should try it becauseeverything leads to something.
And the most beautiful thing isif you go out of your comfort
zone, which most people's scaredto step out of that comfort
zone, that comfort circle, youknow, once you do step out of
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that comfort zone or yourcomfort zone, you start to grow,
you know, you start to, youstart to, um, be courageous in a
sense where to me, success isthat little step.
It's not because you justclimbed that mountain or you
achieve a trophy or you want anaward.
It's all about the next step.
Like, Hey, today, I'm I'm goingto make two, three, four, five
phone calls and I'm going to tryto book myself and you made
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those phone calls to me.
That's success because you grewa little bit, you know, you read
an article, you researched, uh,an artist or, you know,
anything.
Um, you know, it's all aboutbeing consistent and I think the
reader here, um, daydreamingwith purpose, it's all about
that.
It's all about, you know,determining, uh, you know.
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Your life and going after it.
I mean, you got, we all got onelife, man.
We got to give it all, right?
We got to give, uh, see where itall takes us.
And we got to, we got to try ourhardest to live and fulfill life
full of purpose and calling.
So, yeah.
So is it too late?
I'm 48 now, you know, almost 49in a couple of weeks.
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Is it too late for me to pick upthis book and get inspired by
it?
Never too late, Louie.
Come on, man.
You're still smiling.
We're all alive, you know.
My goal is to help you walk homeand help others as well and be
appreciative of where we are inlife and you know, not being,
um, I shouldn't say not beingcontent, but content to know the
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fact that you have everythingwhat you need and if you feel
that calling that you need to dosomething bigger, and more
impactful, I should say, in yourlife, then this book is for you.
You know, if you have the desireto, to go out and grow and to,
to, just to see what's out thereof what you can possibly be,
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then this book is for you.
Because daydreaming withpurpose, anybody can daydream,
man.
And a lot of people stopdaydreaming.
When they're daydreaming, it'sso sad.
Scared they stop and say, oh,you know, that's not for me.
I used to be like that.
But if you, if you start todaydream with purpose and you
start to think like, okay, wow,that was a cool dream.
But if you start to change yourmind, your thinking, and you
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start to manifest that, youknow, you start changing how you
speak about yourself and how,how you speak about
accomplishing that calling orthat goal or that purpose.
And once you start changing theway you speak, I think that's
where the magic happens, man,because your actions just
magically.
Um, you know, you start doingactions, you start doing calls
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or emails, or you start beingcourageous and start going out
there and shaking hands and, youknow, um, just going after it,
you know, so daydream withpurpose.
I think, I think there's,there's a lot to it, you know,
there's, there's a, there's alot of courageous, um, you know,
being courageous is pretty muchit right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What is, give us a, that, giveus like a, a really, uh,
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practical.
And how to speak, you know, how,how should we be speaking either
to others or ourselves rightnow?
Like it was like exactly what tosay.
Two words, man.
Just ask yourself, what if?
What if?
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You know, I always ask myself,what if?
Like, what if I can do that?
Or what if I can be this?
Or what if I could change orinspire that life?
You know, what, what if?
I mean, it's a real, real simpleperspective, but it can go very,
very deep.
You don't want to go too wide onthat because you can just, yeah,
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what if, what if, what if, butwhat if you really, really,
really put your time and energyand say, what if I can inspire
someone's life by doing or, or,and, you know, responding to my
calling and fulfilling thatpurpose, you know, you know,
back then when I started playingukulele, Louie, It was not a
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popular instrument.
I used to get teased playingukulele, you know, I used to get
put down.
And when I started getting intoit, uh, even family members
started doubting me, like, Hey,what are you playing this
ukulele for?
Is it for attention?
Or, I mean, it wasn't anythingthat they wanted to shut me
down.
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It was just, it was hard toprocess that I'm playing the
ukulele.
I'm being successful to a pointwhere I'm enjoying it.
They see this.
But they don't know how toprocess it because they've never
seen it before.
And it was out of love and maybeprotection per se.
But I always ask myself, whatif?
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You know, what if I could travelthe world and play ukulele?
And I've done it.
What if I could, you know, meetJason Mraz and play with him,
jam with him and collaborate?
You know, I did it.
What if I could, you know, be aTED Talk speaker?
I did that.
You know, what if I could travelthe U.
S.
and international and play allthese stages, uh, ukulele
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festivals, house concerts,workshops, um, you know, I've
done that, you know, I, what if,um, what if I could play for the
Los Angeles Lakers at theirStaples Center and be the first
ukulele player to do it, um, Ontheir home court in Los Angeles,
I, you know, I did it and itcame to an historic evening
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where it was Kobe Bryant'sretirement year back in 2016.
And it was a, it was a crazyevening where it was Kobe's last
time, uh, versing, uh, LeBronJames when he came in from
Cavalier, uh, ClevelandCavaliers.
Um, you know, that happened.
You know what, I mean, there'sso much, um, yeah, what if, I, I
(38:17):
think what if is, is simple butyet it can go very deep.
Man, I absolutely love that.
And I think if you were torewrite this book or another
book, that would be a greattitle for it.
All right.
That's Louis, it's yours,brother.
Go for it.
Yeah.
What if I write the book calledWhat If?
That's it.
What if you write the book, man?
(38:37):
Let's go.
Yeah.
I gotta give you credit for thatone if I do.
Go for it, brother.
It's all on you.
Yeah.
Well, Derek, on that note, let'suh, switch over to our Wayfinder
4.
Alright?
So give us A hack that you use,just kind of something you use
to cheat life with, and youcan't say asking what if.
(39:04):
Life hack?
Yeah.
Oh, for me, kill them withkindness, man.
Just love, love people, period.
Love your enemies, love yourfamily, love your friends, love
your loved ones.
Because at the end of the day,at the end of the day, it
(39:25):
doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what peoplethink of you, it matters what
you did for yourself, and whatyou gave.
And if you gave it your all, andyou gave it your love, you gave
it your aloha, despite if theythink differently of you, it
doesn't matter because you'refulfilling your side of life,
you're giving, you're giving,you're giving love, and I
(39:46):
believe it all comes back.
So, I think love is a life hackfor me, I try not to judge, I'm
a human being, I do judge, I getscared.
Uh, but I think, I think my lovewhere I'm at in life right now,
I think love is pretty much thefoundation of my life and
appreciate everything from love.
(40:08):
You know, it just builds fromthere.
The respect, the appreciation,um, the going after your dreams
in life is because you loveyourself, you know, and you
appreciate it and you respectit.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
It sounds like the Aloha spiritall over again, right there.
So what about a favorite?
This could be a book, a show,activity outside of the ukulele,
(40:33):
which I learned how to pronouncewith you today.
Yeah.
You're doing it.
You're doing great, Louis.
Ukulele.
Ukulele.
Ukulele.
Shocks, what was your question?
I saw a favorite.
It's okay.
A favorite.
A favorite.
Oh, could be anything.
Yeah.
(40:54):
Oh, man.
I love apple pies, man.
I just went from left fieldbrother.
I love apple pies.
I love sweets.
I'm a sweet tooth appleturnovers.
Um, I go crazy over that stuff,man.
It's so dangerous.
Um, when there's apple pie oranything, apple pastries, man, I
go straight for it.
(41:15):
I skip the real meal.
To me, it is the real meal, but,um, yeah, man, that's my
favorite.
Apple pie and good sports,whatever.
I'm good.
I'm simple, man.
Okay.
Cool.
What about a piece of advice foryour younger self?
(41:36):
Kind of giving us a lot already.
Oh, I love it.
Um, I would say be kind and giveyourself room to grow Don't just
be patient and trust the processand everything happens for a
reason and trust the best is yetto come That would be my advice
(42:01):
to my younger self I I was outon a mission and I'm still I am
still on a mission, but I thinkThat would be my best advice for
my younger self and just trustthe process and keep smiling and
you are where you are for areason and there's always room
to, you know, for growth and forappreciation.
(42:25):
So, yeah.
Excellent.
What about a big opportunitythat you're chasing right now?
You know, Louis, um, it's just,it's just kind of scary, but I
think I'm after it in a goodway.
You know, this book was more ofa legacy project because my
(42:51):
intention was to document mystories.
But I've, I've realized thatthis book.
It's bigger than me.
It's a message.
It's, it's self empowerment andit's, it's to inspire others,
not through my music, butthrough my words, through my
experiences, through life,through the relationships that
(43:13):
I've, you know, experienced, myfamily, my wife, my kids, um,
the, the doubts, the depression,the asthma, the, you know, being
asthmatic and, you know, justgoing these ups and downs.
It's pretty open and transparentin this book.
Um, I think the stories needs tobe heard and for From there, uh,
the opportunities of becoming acoach, a life coach, maybe a
speaker, a keynote speaker, um,and just branch from there, you
(43:39):
know, um, just, just focusingmore on impact, you know,
inspiration.
So I think that's the next stagefor me in life and still using
my music as well.
I mean, I could.
Yeah, you know, be a keynotespeaker while playing the
ukulele.
I don't, I'm not sure.
I mean, definitely could, couldwork.
I've done it with the TED talksfor sure.
Um, but yeah, I think that'sthe, the bigger stage here is,
(44:02):
is just sharing more of thewords rather than going it
through the ukulele, if thatmakes sense.
So, yeah.
That's great.
So if people want to get yourbook and know more about you,
where should they go?
Yeah, um, it, it's based, Imean, we've got two websites,
DerekSebastian.
com.
I think that's the best, um,place.
D E R I C K Sebastian.
(44:23):
com.
Uh, you'll find all theinformation there about my book,
um, Daydreaming With Purpose,and all my socials, all my
services, all that good stuff,man.
Yeah.
Excellent.
Well, thank you for being here,man.
I think you've inspired a lot ofour listeners.
You've definitely inspired meUh, so thank you for being here
and sharing a little bit aboutyourself Derek and I wish you
(44:46):
the best with your journey No,thank you.
Um, no, I appreciate it brotherand thank you for your energy
your We hope you've enjoyed TheWayfinder Show.
If you got value from thisepisode, please take a few
seconds to leave us a 5 starrating and review.
This will allow us to help morepeople find their way to live
(45:07):
more authentic and excitinglives.
We'll catch you on the nextepisode.
vibe and your you know Thisopportunity to share life with
you.
Uh, your podcast is amazing yourvibe your energy is there as
well And uh, you know, Iappreciate your time brother for
(45:30):
real.
So, thank you.
Thank you
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