July 8, 2025 • 37 mins
Do you love German Engineering, road rally racing, International Motorsport and general Maker Shop Talk?
If so, join Tamara Robertson (Mythbusters, Seekers of Science) as she revs up the fun in this all new mini-season dedicated to the Hemming's Great Race and the amazing team of Trailblazing Creators assembled by Riley's Rebuilds!
As a shout-out to Race Sponsor Auto Metal Direct, this episode kicks off with a Tech Talk about Automotive Firewalls before Tamara sits down with VW Enthusiast Trailblazer and Maker Extraordinaire Annie ( @annies_vw )!
Topics they cover include (but are surely not limited to):
- Fire Walls
- Auto Metal Direct
- 1971 Super Beetles
- Volkswagen
- German Engineering
- King of the Hammers Class 11
- Hemming's Great Race
- Psychological Warfare on the Road Rally
- Sweaty Butt Prints
- Riley from Riley's Rebuilds
- Real Deal Revolution
- Shoutout to Theresa Contreras
- The Jessi Combs Foundation
- Being a Trailblazer
- Creating Content on the Great Race
- Passing the Wrench
- Annie's Practical Advise to First Time Racers
- Fairlane Saga
- Endurance Racing
- Representing Canadian Motorsports
- Plugging in your Vehicle (turns out it's a real thing!)
- Canadian Malls
.. and so much more
As we dig into Season 3's 31st episode of Tinkering Belles you're surely not going to want to miss it!
So join in on Tamara's adventure as a Maker as she works to amplify the BAMF Females Behind the Builds one interview at a time!
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Fundraiser for Annie's Build - https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/alvomedia
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Tamara Robertson (00:00):
Greetings shopmates and welcome to
Tinkering Belles, a show aboutDIY design and all things
hands-on.
The sky's the limit as we talkprops, metalwork, cosplay,
woodwork, leather, electronics,and so much more.
I'm Tamara Robertson, yourhost.
So strap on your tool beltbecause we're about to get into
some skill sharing, y'all.
(00:23):
Today I'm going to be joined bya maker who's sharing her
journey one shop day at a time.
I don't want to give away toomuch, but this maker is
revisiting her love of Germanengineering.
So if that doesn't make youwant to stick around and hear
more, then you might be at thewrong podcast.
But first, let's go ahead andhave our tech talk of the day.
(00:45):
So we're going to be talkingall about the Hemming's Great
Race today and the companies whohelped us bring strength and
safety back to our 66 Fairlaneframe.
That includes companies likeAuto Metal Direct, who supplied
everything from floor pans andtrunk panels to a new firewall
and transmission tuner.
So let's back it up.
Where did automotive firewallsget their start?
(01:08):
Originally a military andlocomotive term, the firewall
was literally a steel wallbetween the engine and passenger
compartments to protectoccupants from heat and fire.
Now, in early cars, it wasoften made out of wood or thin
sheet metal, offering minimalprotection.
But by the 1930s, full steelfirewalls became standard in
(01:31):
automotive safety design.
Now, firewalls today servemultiple functions.
They block heat and fumes,protect against engine fires,
and provide a mounting surfacefor pedals, brake boosters, and
electrical systems.
For performance andrestoration, a clean and solid
firewall is critical, especiallywhen adapting modern
drivetrains into vintage bodies,as we did with the Fairlane.
(01:53):
Now, Auto Metal Direct makesOE-style stamped replacements
that match factory specs forfit, finish, and strength.
Ours gave us a perfect base tobuild from.
Well, that's it for our techtalk of the day.
As always, you can join in onthe conversation with my maker
friends and me on the TinkeringBells Instagram and X pages.
Just search Bells Tinkering,hit follow, and share your DIY
(02:14):
adventures together with us.
Have a tool you want to learnabout?
Let me know, and it may befeatured in a future episode.
Tell us what you liked, whatyou hated, or possibly even what
we missed.
So now we're going to be gettinginto the main event.
I'm so excited to introduce youto our next maker.
So drum roll, please.
(02:34):
Annie,Annie, thanks for joining me.
How are you?
Annie (02:37):
I am doing fantastic.
I'm so happy to be doing thiswith
Tamara Robertson (02:39):
Thank you for being here.
I like to start it off byletting people know where can
they find you, follow you, andwhat should they expect to see
when they're there?
Annie (02:47):
Oh, that's a good question.
So I am mostly Instagram.
I love the short form.
And so I've got a goodfollowing on Instagram.
You can find me on Facebook.
Instagram is Annie's underscoreVW.
Facebook is the same thing.
I do dabble a little bit inYouTube, but I'm mostly just the
short form for right now.
And what you can expect is kindof like a daily vlog of what
(03:10):
I'm doing in the garage, whichis lots of air-cooled Volkswagen
in case the VW didn't tip youoff.
So it's lots of Volkswagenrestoration stuff.
Like I'm right in the middle ofan engine build right now, but
I do metalwork, bodywork,everything.
yeah just like from top tobottom we just do it all
Tamara Robertson (03:29):
and for those of you that aren't familiar with
the podcast remember there arelots of chapter notes and links
pictures all kinds of fun stuffso anything we mention here
don't try to rush and write itdown instead click on those
chapter notes and check them outnow i am a superhero scientist
and all superheroes have anorigin story we obviously had
(03:52):
never met until the no like twodays ago two days two days ago
yeah 48 hours i've been gettingto know you but i would love if
you would share with theaudience like what is your
gearhead origin story where didyou get your start and why do
you love what you're doing todayoh man
Annie (04:10):
ah my origin story can i have two origin stories
Tamara Robertson (04:14):
you can have as many as you
Annie (04:15):
okay so i suppose the the main origin story of just how I
love mechanics and stuff likethat and just building stuff.
Now, I call myself a builder,not really a mechanic, not
really a painter, not really inone thing, but I've just always
been fascinated with just likeall things mechanical, all
things building.
I think from the time I couldpick up a hammer, I was like
(04:37):
building stuff and making thingsand taking things apart,
putting them back together.
Tamara Robertson (04:44):
nice.
It's always good if they goback together.
Well, you know, it was alwaysfun for me...
Like every pedal bike you everhad, take it apart, put it back
together.
So the origin story for that isI think I just have always been
fascinated with just like howthings worked and building
things and that sort of stuff.
Now, an origin story forVolkswagens is that my first car
when I was 16 was a 1971 SuperBeetle.
(05:07):
And so it was a really, it wasa really unique car.
And I had a neighbor that wasreally into VWs.
And I remember he brought overlike service manuals and taught
me how to like change the oiland that sort of stuff.
And I drove it through likehigh school.
But then I went to college andit was kind of like, ah, maybe
we need something a little bitmore reliable because, you know,
(05:28):
it's a Volkswagen.
It's like, and I live inCanada.
And so I need something goodfor the roads, going to college,
needed something a little bitsafer, a little bit more
reliable.
And so we got rid of it.
And I knew from the minute thatwe got rid of it, that a
Volkswagen would eventually comeback into my life.
Yeah.
And so like literally 25 yearslater, one just kind of like
(05:51):
dropped in my lap a little bit.
Actually, my husband found itfor me because he knew that I
wanted to do one.
So he came home and he's like,I found the one.
And it was just a piece ofcrap.
And I thought, yep, that's theone.
That's the one.
And so, and I, and honestly, Ithought it was too late, but
then I was like, well, I thinkit's not too late.
You can always learn newthings.
And like, so we just kind oflike dove in.
(06:13):
Well, by we, I'm always, that's
You and the voices in your head.
Annie (06:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Someone pointed out to me oncethey said, you always talk about
yourself as we, I'm like, Ithink it's because there's lots
going on in my head.
And it feels like lots ofpeople, but anyways, long story
short, 25 years later, We werein it.
I thought, I'm going todocument this.
I don't care who follows me,who wants to see it.
(06:40):
I'm putting everything outthere.
And that's how it
Tamara Robertson (06:42):
I was going to ask you about the love affair
with Volkswagen.
And I have to admit that it'sfor a selfish reason.
I've been obsessed withVolkswagen since I was a little
kid.
Are you serious?
Yes.
And my dad would not let me getone because he said that buying
a Volkswagen was like buyingyour coffin because every other
car in the U.S.
(07:03):
was so big that...
When you wrecked, you'd begone.
Annie (07:06):
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (07:07):
But I, as that little girl still inside, I
wanted one.
Annie (07:10):
You still really want
Tamara Robertson (07:12):
And I just did King of the Hammers for the
first time.
Annie (07:15):
Oh, yes.
Tamara Robertson (07:15):
I mean, I went to King of the Hammers for the
first time this year with theJessi Combs Foundation.
Annie (07:19):
Right.
Tamara Robertson (07:19):
Representing Jessi as Queen of the Hammers.
Annie (07:23):
Obviously.
Tamara Robertson (07:23):
And the foundation.
I saw, I think Teresa told metoday, it's called the class 11.
Annie (07:30):
Oh, the class 11 bugs.
Tamara Robertson (07:31):
And they're all bugs and they just have
these giant gnarly like bugballs and they're all, I want
one so bad.
Annie (07:40):
I really want to build one too.
And amazingly, because I havesome class 11 guys that I follow
and I talk to one of them quitea bit.
And amazingly, they're allstock motors.
They're just like, they're notsouped up.
They're not anything like aclass 11 has to be a stock
motor.
Oh, Because they have the stockclass with the bigger ones, so
I am aware of that.
(08:00):
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
And he's not doing it anymore,but I loved his content because
he did the same thing that Ikind of did.
It was just like, this is whatI'm doing in the garage today.
This is how you do this.
And you could totally followalong with the build because
those class 11 guys, they justrace, rebuild, race, rebuild.
Tamara Robertson (08:17):
I mean, with the number that I saw going like
this ass over .
tea kettle, I think you have torace and rebuild.
Annie (08:22):
that would be so fun to build one.
Tamara Robertson (08:24):
So, it's funny because, like, I came into this
with that being the vision thatI got earlier this year.
And then going through themountains of West Virginia
today, I was like, I would loveto bring a vintage bug here.
Because I feel like they'relightweight.
They're going to be able tohandle curves easy.
Annie (08:44):
Well, the manual transmission helps with the
hills.
Tamara Robertson (08:49):
Oh my gosh, right?
Annie (08:50):
exactly.
Tamara Robertson (08:51):
I think it would be amazing out here.
And can you imagine the littlepictures?
I know, so cute.
I also just want to be tallerthan the vehicle.
I might be a little bit of it
Annie (09:00):
Well, we were talking because there are a few bugs out
here.
And I've talked to those guys.
And some of them are runninglike a stock motor and you know
air cooled air cools are that'sthe the big thing is keeping
them cool and uh it's a twoladies are running one it's a
totally stock motor and they'rekeeping it cool and it's not so
bad but yeah and so it's totallypossible because i came here
(09:22):
thinking no way you can't run anair cooled without like full
flow and like external oilcooler cooler but they're doing
it which is um it blows my mindthat they're doing it with this
heat
Tamara Robertson (09:34):
so it is it is and so .
.
Let's, let's like talk aboutthe elephant in the room because
I haven't even said it.
So this is the first livepodcast event, right?
We're not on zoom.
You're not in Canada.
We're in person.
We are actually on theHemming's great race right now.
We are in Ronoake, Virginia atour overnight stop.
(09:56):
It is Thursday.
Annie (09:58):
I can right now.
It is Friday.
Tamara Robertson (10:00):
It is Friday.
Annie (10:02):
don't know what day it is.
We don't know where we are.
We just know we're having fun.
Tamara Robertson (10:05):
Yeah.
So for those of you that havebeen following along, you know,
this race is incredible.
It started in Minneapolis.
It's going all the way down toSouth Carolina.
Annie (10:13):
Amazing.
Tamara Robertson (10:14):
When did you get onto the race?
Annie (10:16):
So I couldn't come right away.
I had to drop in at Moline,Illinois.
So that's where I dropped in.
And that was day two overnightinto day three.
So I drove that.
My first day was day three.
Okay. Day Three. Day Three Would have been - Monday.
Day Monday.
Tamara Robertson (10:32):
Monday.
Amazing.
And I joined on Wednesday.
Wednesday.
and then drove Thursday.
Yes.
Yes.
And then, well, kind of droveon Thursday.
Well, I didn't.
I didn't actually.
No, you didn't.
You were in there.
So driving today.
No,
Annie (10:45):
that's a whole story.
Tamara Robertson (10:46):
And so, okay.
So the great race like that,it's where we're at.
It's what we're doing.
Had you ever heard of the greatrace before you got the, you
know, I call it the bat signalthat Riley sent out for
everyone.
Annie (10:59):
Yes, very cool.
Very cool.
Tamara Robertson (11:01):
Had you heard of it?
And if not, when you firststarted looking it up to figure
out whether or not you were in,what were your thoughts?
Annie (11:07):
Oh, Okay, so never in my life had I heard of it.
Like I'm a builder, I don'treally follow the racing scene,
although I do follow some of theracers that are on Instagram
and stuff.
So I'm familiar, but I'm alsofamiliar with like the drag
racing and like the track racingand all that sort of stuff.
I had no idea that there was arace that was set up this way.
And for me, as soon as Istarted diving into it, I
(11:31):
thought, oh, this is for me.
Because I am kind of like anumbered Cheers.
person because this feels verymuch like a puzzle like being
able to be consistent and be apuzzle and then making up time
so honestly when I first heardof it I didn't know anything
about it and then we got thatlittle packet of things and I'm
(11:52):
going over just kind of readingit and then the directions and
learning more I kind of dovedeep for one night I just kind
of was like zoned in on it andit just seemed amazing to me
that they had a race that haveto be accurate the
Tamara Robertson (12:05):
most accurate it's the most accurate it's a
precision road rally race.
Annie (12:09):
feels like a game to me, and I love it.
It's
Tamara Robertson (12:12):
a strategy game.
It's a strategy game.
I don't feel like I totallyknow if I'm winning yet, and
then I'm like, oh, I
Annie (12:17):
did it.
And you get to the end, andthere is a little bit of
strategy involved.
We were talking, if you'regoing to maybe be making the
podium, there are little thingsyou can do to maybe trick the
person behind you.
You know, going slower.
So, yeah.
No.
Tamara Robertson (12:32):
Okay.
That's a whole other thing.
Everyone else is playing atotally different game than we
are in the fairly is what I'mhearing right now.
So there's like the physicalendurance, the time endurance.
We're dealing with a huge heatwave right now in the Midwest.
Annie (12:45):
It is wild
Tamara Robertson (12:46):
It is insane.
Like, Sweaty butt prints havebeen left on windshields during
gargoyle motor moments.
I don't know who left those.
Who left those?
I don't know.
No idea.
But it is a thing that ishappening.
And so it is so hot that you'resoaked the whole time.
You're just dripping.
So you're getting no sleepbecause you're wrenching on the
(13:07):
car all night.
And then we're creatingcontent.
So we're editing up until theearly a.m.
a 20-hour day.
Annie (13:13):
It's like a 20-hour day every day.
Tamara Robertson (13:17):
Go, go, go In the heat.
But now you're telling me thaton top of that, The other cars
may be playing psychologicalgames with us.
Annie (13:26):
Yeah, so we just want to divert into that just a minute.
Tamara Robertson (13:29):
Yeah, I do want to.
Annie (13:30):
Someone was telling me that once you get to, because we
are day seven.
We're day seven.
We're day seven of nine.
We're day seven of nine, andthe championship runs start
tomorrow and on Sunday.
And they said during thechampionship runs, the ones that
are doing well, they're usuallyat the front.
And so I was told that there isa little bit of strategy
(13:52):
involved where the person maybein front of you or the person
behind you might get right up onyou so that the person in front
thinks that they're slow orsomething, or the person in
front might go slow so theperson behind is like, oh crap,
we're like, we're too fast orsomething.
It's kind of like a mind gamewhere you're like, are they
messing with me?
Am I on time?
(14:14):
Did I mess up something?
Did I miss something?
Isn't that interesting?
So there is a little bit of achess game near the end.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously we aren'tdoing that, but the veterans,
there is a little bit of thatgoing on.
Tamara Robertson (14:28):
I thought they were passing the torch to us,
but they could be lighting us onfire.
Annie (14:32):
They could be, but honestly, it's kind of like if
you're here to win because it isthere's there's cash money
involved so you know they theymight just be those last couple
days get real sneaky and seriousso so while it is a super fun
and like it is pretty chill onceyou get to the end the ones
that are like in it to win ityeah you might there's a little
(14:54):
bit of strategy involved i don'tknow we'll see
Tamara Robertson (14:57):
this is this has been this is a really
interesting thing for me rightokay so now that bat signal was
put up by Riley of Riley ofRebuild.
So like I met Riley doing anautograph signing for fans at
SEMA years ago.
When did you first meet Rileyand how has that evolved
Annie (15:17):
So funny thing is, I think we've just kind of been
like Instagram followers of eachother and admirers of what each
other do.
I love what she does and allthose things.
So we've just kind of knowneach other through social media.
And at SEMA, we kind of saweach other, but we didn't really
connect like Sema's crazy.
You're like seeing so manypeople.
So we were kind of at the sameevents every once in a while and
(15:39):
we kind of saw each other.
It was really Dane that Italked to.
That's Riley's dad.
So I talked to Dadager.
Yeah, I love that, Dadager.
So I connected with Dane acouple times, but it was really
just kind of passing by.
But we had, you know, admiredeach other online for a little
while at least.
So we knew each other that way.
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (16:00):
And what I love about this group of women,
you know, as we you're sayingwe're running 20 hour days.
Everyone here is a real dealbecause one of the biggest rules
of the great race is if you'renot in the car, you don't get to
work on it.
And so when you have a day likewe had yesterday with the
Fairlane where literally justduring calibration runs, you're
making it a quarter mile at atime.
(16:20):
We've literally been nicknamedVin Diesel because we're living
life a quarter mile at a time.
It was just like that.
You know, everyone's gettingout.
They're all wrenching.
And so, you know, we're alldoing this.
because our charity partner,the Jessi Combs Foundation.
So Jessi actually was a grandmarshal back in 2016.
And so it makes sense.
(16:41):
Like we've got all these womenthat are the real deal, which
was also, they're one of oursponsors as well.
And that was an organizationthat Jessi co-founded with
Teresa, who's on the race withus.
So before you got involved withthis, you got involved with
Riley, you found out that thatwas a charity partner.
Had you heard of Jessi?
Did you know who Jessi was?
Annie (17:01):
Yes, I had heard of Jessi.
And mostly it was because justof me starting this Instagram
journey for myself, you know, assoon as you're starting to
follow like all these amazingwomen in automotive, she pops up
and she pops up.
And there are people who arelike, like the Jessi Combs
Foundation that popped up andRealty Revolution that popped
up.
And so these things juststarted popping up and a lot of
(17:24):
people just talking about Jessi.
And so I did not know herbefore, but now that I'm like
kind of automotive saturatedwith like my Instagram, I know
what she's done and I understandwhat she's done for everyone.
That is really apparent toanybody who's going to know or
care to look at what she's done.
It's really apparent that she'sbeen a really important figure
(17:46):
for women in the automotiveindustry and racing and all that
sort of stuff.
So I didn't ever have thepleasure of knowing her
beforehand, but I know her now.
And she's rad.
She's like...
who would not just want to beexactly who she is.
Like, she is so cool.
Tamara Robertson (18:02):
She's so cool.
Yeah.
Annie (18:03):
And just amazing.
I like, and from talking tolike Teresa and some of the
other people who have known her,they just say she was just, she
was, like you said, she's thereal deal.
Tamara Robertson (18:11):
She was the real deal.
She was a trailblazer and, youknow, wrenching all the time
right out there too.
And I think, you know, that,that word trailblazer is
something that describes everysingle woman that is on our team
that's in this industry.
And so what does, what does itmean to you to be a trailblazer?
Annie (18:30):
man, that is a really good question.
I think it means doing hardthings.
I think it means doing the hardthing and that idea of knowing
that it's hard, knowing thedifficult path in front of you,
and you're doing it anyways.
And I honestly think that atrailblazer doesn't necessarily
(18:50):
think or know that they're atrailblazer.
They're just doing it becausethey either know what's right,
or that it's just the passionand they just have no quit and
they're gonna do it.
And so a trailblazer is just,they know the hard, they know
the uphill and they do itanyways.
And that's that, yeah.
Tamara Robertson (19:09):
Dang, that's beautiful.
I think you guys, you know, Ido a quote tile for every
episode and I think I don'teven, episodes done, we're done.
No, I'm just kidding.
All right.
So this has been incredible.
You know, we all got to watchJessie's episode, The List,
before coming in.
Yeah, so cool.
And, you know, she was gettingheckled a lot.
(19:30):
That amazes me.
They've been sharing thestories too, you know, about
going too slow, going too fast,being in the way with the
creating.
Annie (19:38):
they were.
like they started to feel likethey were just in the way and a
nuisance yeah
Tamara Robertson (19:43):
yeah yeah and so with it one of the biggest
issues was that she had a wholecamera crew with her right
because they were doing it forthe show
Annie (19:50):
exactly
Tamara Robertson (19:50):
we also basically are a giant camera
crew right so Tell the audiencea little bit about what you've
been creating while you're hereand what you're hoping it's
getting out to the world.
Annie (20:03):
Obviously, we know that we have a whole bunch of female
women like content creators andwe kind of all have different
backgrounds and we're all doingdifferent things like some are
really prevalent on YouTube orTikTok or they kind of have
their niche and then really neatthing is we all kind of do
something different.
So basically what I've beencreating is my goal here is to
not change like what my contentstyle is and I don't I think,
(20:26):
you know, I've been invited hereto create content.
I'm going to do it in the waythat I do it.
Absolutely.
So really, my content style iskind of storytelling.
I just like to, you know, showwhat I've done for the day.
And I love doing it in 90seconds.
I think that's a really funchallenge.
But my goal has been to createa couple pieces of content every
(20:47):
day that hopefully reflect whatthe day felt like.
And I think I've had lots ofopportunities to do that because
we've had so much troubletrouble with the Fairlane every
day like for real but every dayhas felt a little bit yeah we
love her she's a good girl butevery day has felt so different
every day has had a differentfeel like the day that we drove
(21:08):
and we actually made it to theend that is a day that I
hopefully conveyed in acompletely different way than
the day that we were having justlike Like we broke down and we
ran out of gas.
That's a different feeling day.
And so I'm just hoping thatwhen people watch what I did
with the content, that they geta feel for what the days can
feel like.
(21:28):
You're going to have an amazingday where you're rolling
through cornfields and the sunis shining and you feel great.
And then you're going to havedays where you run out of gas
and you get off course and it'sgoing to feel, I mean, we're
still having a great time, butit's like panic because you're
trying to do a timed event.
Remember precision.
Tamara Robertson (21:46):
So
Annie (21:46):
So I'm kind of hoping that people will get a good feel
for what it feels like to behere.
But then also, I'm reallyhoping that with the audiences
that we all have, that peoplewill see it and be like, I want
to go see that.
or I think I can go and dothat.
And especially for the youngerdemographic, because I think
(22:09):
it's true that younger kids arenot drawn to this as much
because all the new cars thatthe kids are driving, they don't
need to be wrenched on.
They don't need to be fixed.
If you do, you take it togarage because we can't fix
them.
So it'd be so fantastic ifpeople saw this and just were
inspired to get a project car.
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or get back to the project carthat's been sitting for four
years, because that happens alot.
So that's kind of my hope, alittle bit of inspiration, a
little bit of insight, and maybejust get them excited about if
they've got cars or, you know,about the race too.
So,
Tamara Robertson (22:48):
yeah.
I love that.
It's becoming a...
potentially lost art.
Annie (22:54):
I think so too.
Yes.
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (22:56):
These legacy vehicles are so incredible
because they have so manystories.
And when you're here, you'retalking to the community, you
get to learn like where that carwas before, where they've been
before, what the car has beenthrough.
I mean, just over these ninedays, the story of the fair lane
has been just, you know, andit's like a thriller,
Annie (23:15):
comedy.
It's a saga.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (23:20):
It's incredible.
It's been an amazing thing.
So I have to ask if you couldgo back to yourself nine days
ago before you've come into thisrace but you know about the
race with the knowledge you haveright now what are some
pointers you would give thatversion of you
Annie (23:38):
that version of me
Tamara Robertson (23:39):
other than like wear more deodorant
Annie (23:43):
drink more water
Tamara Robertson (23:44):
drink more water wear sunscreen
Annie (23:48):
well I don't know because in general I'm a very glass
half full.
Like there's always a silverlining.
There's always something likein failure.
There's nothing more excitingto me than failing because
there's lessons to be learned.
So I don't know.
I don't know what advice Iwould give because I've loved
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actually coming into it totallyblind.
That has actually I maybewouldn't want to know anything.
So maybe I would just be likeman it's gonna be it's gonna
suck some days but you're gonnahave fun but uh practical advice
we'll get into practical advicebecause there is some practical
Tamara Robertson (24:31):
advice
Annie (24:32):
i think the advice i would give is to trust your
navigator Communicate.
I mean, because that's the bigthing is that if you can't have
that communication with yournavigator and have, you know, it
coming back and forth because Imight need something that my
navigator isn't giving me or thenavigator is, I'm not giving
them something.
Communication because there'sso many time things and it
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doesn't end when the race ends.
Like there's things that arehappening during the night.
Like they need to find out whenthe start time is and they need
to communicate that to me.
So communication is reallyimportant.
So that's a really practicalthing.
If you're able to, so we cameinto it all cold, right?
Like we had never done itbefore.
Tamara Robertson (25:13):
Like
Annie (25:14):
if you're wanting to come and be competitive, that's
great.
Come and be competitive.
But I don't think you can dothat coming in cold.
Like get out with yournavigator, build a little bit of
a relationship.
Learn about your car.
Like, if you want to be reallyserious, you should probably be
practicing and, you know, knowwhat your acceleration and your
splits and stuff like that,
Tamara Robertson (25:34):
how you do that.
Know your stopping distance.
Yeah, your stopping
Annie (25:37):
distance and, you know, how long you...
Hot, cold, and other.
Exactly.
So, a little, yeah, practicaladvice, you know, lots of water
in the car, that sort of thing.
But as far as just, like,experience advice, honestly, I
love going into an experienceblind.
and just like experiencing itso I don't know if I'd give
(25:59):
myself any experience advice butpractical advice yeah some
communication things and youknow just like taking care of
yourself because you can reallyexhaust yourself if you don't
take care of yourself
Tamara Robertson (26:11):
yes because it is a marathon not a sprint
Annie (26:14):
yeah I'm I'm so impressed like with Riley and Joe who are
in the car we could talk aboutthem if you want to but Riley
yeah They're in the car, so thetwo of them, it's just the two
of them.
We're lucky we have a team.
We're switching people out,people working on the car and
then driving and then switching.
But Riley and Joe, they're init together, just the two of
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them, for nine days.
And I can't imagine the mental,emotional, physical exhaustion
that just starts to pile.
So today's day seven.
They have two more days.
They just need to get throughtwo more days.
And so it's just, at thispoint, Because you're so
exhausted in all those ways, Ifeel like you're just having to
manage things until you get tothe end.
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But I got to tell you howimpressed I am with how they're
managing it.
For being, I mean, I'm justgoing to say, for being kids.
Because they're just like,they're not, they're not like,
they're
Tamara Robertson (27:06):
not, I'm going to say this, they're not
seasoned.
They're younger kids than weare.
Yeah,
Annie (27:10):
exactly.
But, and for never doing itbefore, come on, they're killing
it.
Tamara Robertson (27:15):
Dude, so, and that is the one thing to say is
that like, so, riley and joecame into this were handed a
corvette that they had nevertouched never seen never
wrenched on that actually is theprize for people at this race
to win and then they just got init and had to go they had never
met each other they had neverspoken and somehow now finish
(27:39):
each other's sentences which isabsolutely beautiful and on top
of that yeah they are literallysitting in a podium seat right
now.
They're acing.
They're acing.
They aced their first runtogether.
Oh, that's incredible.
They aced so many of theinitial days, which is why
they're in the second podiumseat.
But it is one of those thingsthat like all of the practical
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advice that you just gave, theydidn't have coming in.
They didn't have the time to doit.
They're killing
Annie (28:05):
it.
For whatever reason, I thinklike it was like meant to be.
It was written in the stars andthey are like meant to rally
together.
They are
Tamara Robertson (28:13):
meant to rally together.
it is really true it has
Annie (28:16):
been so cool to watch yeah it's been incredible
Tamara Robertson (28:19):
yeah so one thing that i think is kind of
cool that i'm actually wonderingif you've thought about you
being here as part of thecreator race team makes us an
international motorsports raceteam.
Annie (28:38):
You are exactly
Tamara Robertson (28:39):
right.
Oh my goodness.
How does it make you feel to berepresenting Canadian
motorsports right now?
Annie (28:44):
I am very proud.
I'm very happy.
And listen, I had not eventhought about that.
We are an international team.
We
Tamara Robertson (28:51):
are an international race team.
Annie (28:54):
No, that is so cool.
And you know what?
I know the great race is like,I think they tour around
America, which is so fantastic,but we could do this in Canada
and have some incredible routes.
Tamara Robertson (29:04):
It would be a lot less hot.
I'd like that.
Annie (29:06):
would be it would be i like that too yeah because
that's what we're battling downhere is heat heat humidity yeah
it would be a lot less hot butyou could also get snow so you
just yeah
Tamara Robertson (29:18):
yeah so i was going to ask about that because
like obviously we're dealingwith a lot of temperature issues
we are overheating everythingwe are just having vapor lock
issues oh yeah there's all kindsof stuff going on yeah being
from the cold What are a coupleof things that you guys deal
with up there yonder with yourvehicles?
(29:41):
What are some cold things I'llnever understand as a
Southerner?
Annie (29:45):
Having to plug your car in.
You know about that?
Tamara Robertson (29:48):
Like, because it's an electric and you need to
charge it?
No.
No.
Annie (29:52):
So you don't know about plugging your
Tamara Robertson (29:53):
car in?
I don't know about plugging mycar in.
Annie (29:55):
Okay,
Tamara Robertson (29:56):
so...
What do you...
Annie (29:57):
Why
Tamara Robertson (29:58):
doesn't it have an outlet?
You
Annie (30:00):
really don't know.
You really don't know.
Okay, this is fantastic.
So, in Canada, obviously itgets cold.
don't work they're not going todo what they're supposed to do
they hate it so we havestretches now i think this will
translate over because there's aplace in the minuses where they
celsius and fahrenheit kind ofcross so minus 40 that's about
(30:21):
about the same for both so whenwe are in stretches we're minus
40 which i don't think youunderstand
Tamara Robertson (30:27):
at all outside temperature
Annie (30:28):
outside temperature wind chill like minus 60 But
Tamara Robertson (30:32):
we will just stay in bed.
You just Yeah, well, we just
Annie (30:36):
Yeah, we stay in bed.
But it's just the opposite.
Like when you're in Phoenix inthe middle of summer.
Tamara Robertson (30:41):
Oh, yeah.
Phoenix.
You stay you
Annie (30:44):
stay in your house.
So we're when we're in the deadof winter.
So this is what we deal with iswhen ideally you want a heated
garage.
We have a heated garage.
Tamara Robertson (30:53):
Okay.
But
Annie (30:54):
if you don't, and a lot of people don't, you plug your
car in when it's minus 40.
And what that means you have ablock heater.
Tamara Robertson (31:02):
so you plug
Annie (31:03):
your car in it keeps your block you know not like above
zero or anything it's not likeheating it but it just makes it
so that your car will start inthe morning because if you don't
your car is frozen up and itwon't even turn over so
Tamara Robertson (31:16):
is a block heater kind of like a snuggie
for my vehicle no
Annie (31:21):
i don't even i don't i've never had to install one or
even know what it looks like butbasically it just means that
your engine compartment is goingto be at a certain temperature
it's not like above zero butit's like maybe minus 10 Celsius
sort
Tamara Robertson (31:34):
of thing.
There's a little hot box in it.
I like it.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
So
Annie (31:37):
that is what we, I'm so glad I taught you about plugging
in your vehicle.
I thought you were messing withme.
No.
I'm not kidding.
No.
I can tell.
I can tell.
But that's the thing.
Like, I remember in college, itwould be like minus 30, and
it's, you know, 10 o'clock atnight.
I'm like, ah, I've got to goplug the car in.
Seriously.
Tamara Robertson (31:55):
No.
Annie (31:55):
I am not kidding.
You don't even believe me, doyou?
I'm going to look it
Tamara Robertson (32:00):
up.
I'm going to look it up.
Guys, if it's real, I'm goingto put a link in the
Annie (32:06):
show notes.
I'm so glad.
The look on your face.
The look on your face ispriceless.
I just
Tamara Robertson (32:15):
don't know you well enough to know if you're
literally just selling me abridge
Annie (32:21):
right now.
Typically, I am not veryserious.
I will take you on a ride, butI'm serious here.
We plug our cars in.
And it's not, I love your like,like an
Tamara Robertson (32:31):
electric car?
I have an element and all I canimagine is a cute little pluggy
tail coming out.
Do you
Annie (32:36):
know what?
Do you know what?
So you have your hood and thenyou have a little, little like,
oh, it would have to be the, thelittle female, oh no, the male
and just kind of sticking out,out of your hood.
I'm going to send you apicture.
Tamara Robertson (32:48):
Oh, please do.
For your notes.
Audience, when I get it, I willput it in the show notes and
you guys, you're going to haveto check it out.
Oh my God.
Annie (32:56):
Do you want to know something else?
I do.
We're on this now.
We're on this now.
So at like malls and stuff andlike a lot of like, like at
colleges and things where you goand plug, they have like little
places you can plug your carin.
At winter.
You don't believe me.
Tamara Robertson (33:15):
Oh my God.
Okay.
Look, you know what?
With the malls, I believeanything because like I went, I
went to Alberta.
I think I told you this when Iwas 18.
Yeah.
I went to the mall of theworld.
I skated inside the mall.
I saw a pirate ship inside themall.
That's
Annie (33:29):
Edmonton.
Yes.
Tamara Robertson (33:29):
They
Annie (33:30):
got a roller coaster in that
Tamara Robertson (33:31):
mall.
There was a casino.
Yes.
Their malls are different.
You guys do malls on a wholedifferent
Annie (33:42):
level.
Yeah, that was a big deal whenthey got that done.
But yeah,
Tamara Robertson (33:46):
so anyways.
Annie (33:47):
I'm going to send
Tamara Robertson (33:48):
you pictures.
You don't believe me.
I believe that there's plugsfor EVs.
We'll see about this.
But
Annie (33:53):
this has been for like 50 years.
This is before the advent ofthe EV.
I don't know.
You totally don't believe me.
Yeah, I'm going to teach youabout block heaters.
I'm going to start sending youstuff.
And you're going to go down arabbit hole and you'll be like,
oh,
Tamara Robertson (34:11):
she was right.
Seriously, guys, if this isreal, it is going to be a tech
talk in the future.
And we're going to bring Amyback on.
And we're going to havefollow-up Q&A with her about
other Canadian things thatthey're hiding from us.
Annie (34:24):
No, I guarantee you half your audience, no, three
quarters of your audience islike, she's full of it.
There's no way.
Plug in your car.
Like, Honestly, I've had thatconversation with my husband.
Can you go plug my car in forme?
When it's that cold, you justhave to.
Anyways.
Okay.
We really went on a
Tamara Robertson (34:43):
rabbit hole little journey there.
I honestly think that we couldsit here and talk all night, but
guys, we've already racedtoday.
It's super late.
I know.
And we still have to go andwork on the vehicles.
So there is one question,though, that I ask every person
that comes on the show.
And that is, if you could haveany superpower, what would it be
and why?
Annie (35:02):
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I should have been prepared for
Tamara Robertson (35:06):
that.
You should have.
Annie (35:07):
I know.
I've been.
Okay.
Hang on.
Any superpower.
Tamara Robertson (35:11):
Any superpower or tech.
You could have a supertechnology too.
That's interesting.
Are you a superhero fan?
Annie (35:17):
I am.
Okay,
Tamara Robertson (35:18):
that's good.
That's good.
I've had a few on the show thatare like, I just don't do
superheroes.
I'm like, what are you doinghere?
Flip the table.
Annie (35:24):
I think because I hate doing homework for things.
I think the superpower I wantis like automatic download of
knowledge.
Tamara Robertson (35:39):
Oh, you want to be like Jarvis.
Yes.
Yes,
Annie (35:42):
exactly.
Like Jarvis.
Yes.
I think I would like that.
I mean, I don't need to havesuper strength.
I don't need super speed, butif I want to know something and
I like, I'm curious, like welive in an age of like
information and accessibility.
We can find anything.
I like going down a rabbit holeof like finding out how like
wells are dug.
I did that one night.
(36:03):
I don't want to spend threehours doing that.
I would just like to download.
I would save so much time.
So that's what I think if Iwanted a superhero power, it's
like the automatic download ofknowledge.
I think that's what I want.
Tamara Robertson (36:17):
I absolutely love that.
That's it for Tinkering Bells.
This episode is assembled andready for delivery.
Thank you so much, Annie.
This has been incredible.
I love this.
Thank you so much.
Annie (36:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
Tamara Robertson (36:32):
I'm going to start a tachyometer.
to push the button yeah justpush the button
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Greetings shopmates and welcome to
Tinkering Belles, a show aboutDIY design and all things
hands-on.
The sky's the limit as we talkprops, metalwork, cosplay,
woodwork, leather, electronics,and so much more.
I'm Tamara Robertson, yourhost.
So strap on your tool beltbecause we're about to get into
some skill sharing, y'all.
(00:23):
Today I'm going to be joined bya maker who's sharing her
journey one shop day at a time.
I don't want to give away toomuch, but this maker is
revisiting her love of Germanengineering.
So if that doesn't make youwant to stick around and hear
more, then you might be at thewrong podcast.
But first, let's go ahead andhave our tech talk of the day.
(00:45):
So we're going to be talkingall about the Hemming's Great
Race today and the companies whohelped us bring strength and
safety back to our 66 Fairlaneframe.
That includes companies likeAuto Metal Direct, who supplied
everything from floor pans andtrunk panels to a new firewall
and transmission tuner.
So let's back it up.
Where did automotive firewallsget their start?
(01:08):
Originally a military andlocomotive term, the firewall
was literally a steel wallbetween the engine and passenger
compartments to protectoccupants from heat and fire.
Now, in early cars, it wasoften made out of wood or thin
sheet metal, offering minimalprotection.
But by the 1930s, full steelfirewalls became standard in
(01:31):
automotive safety design.
Now, firewalls today servemultiple functions.
They block heat and fumes,protect against engine fires,
and provide a mounting surfacefor pedals, brake boosters, and
electrical systems.
For performance andrestoration, a clean and solid
firewall is critical, especiallywhen adapting modern
drivetrains into vintage bodies,as we did with the Fairlane.
(01:53):
Now, Auto Metal Direct makesOE-style stamped replacements
that match factory specs forfit, finish, and strength.
Ours gave us a perfect base tobuild from.
Well, that's it for our techtalk of the day.
As always, you can join in onthe conversation with my maker
friends and me on the TinkeringBells Instagram and X pages.
Just search Bells Tinkering,hit follow, and share your DIY
(02:14):
adventures together with us.
Have a tool you want to learnabout?
Let me know, and it may befeatured in a future episode.
Tell us what you liked, whatyou hated, or possibly even what
we missed.
So now we're going to be gettinginto the main event.
I'm so excited to introduce youto our next maker.
So drum roll, please.
(02:34):
Annie,Annie, thanks for joining me.
How are you?
Annie (02:37):
I am doing fantastic.
I'm so happy to be doing thiswith
Tamara Robertson (02:39):
Thank you for being here.
I like to start it off byletting people know where can
they find you, follow you, andwhat should they expect to see
when they're there?
Annie (02:47):
Oh, that's a good question.
So I am mostly Instagram.
I love the short form.
And so I've got a goodfollowing on Instagram.
You can find me on Facebook.
Instagram is Annie's underscoreVW.
Facebook is the same thing.
I do dabble a little bit inYouTube, but I'm mostly just the
short form for right now.
And what you can expect is kindof like a daily vlog of what
(03:10):
I'm doing in the garage, whichis lots of air-cooled Volkswagen
in case the VW didn't tip youoff.
So it's lots of Volkswagenrestoration stuff.
Like I'm right in the middle ofan engine build right now, but
I do metalwork, bodywork,everything.
yeah just like from top tobottom we just do it all
Tamara Robertson (03:29):
and for those of you that aren't familiar with
the podcast remember there arelots of chapter notes and links
pictures all kinds of fun stuffso anything we mention here
don't try to rush and write itdown instead click on those
chapter notes and check them outnow i am a superhero scientist
and all superheroes have anorigin story we obviously had
(03:52):
never met until the no like twodays ago two days two days ago
yeah 48 hours i've been gettingto know you but i would love if
you would share with theaudience like what is your
gearhead origin story where didyou get your start and why do
you love what you're doing todayoh man
Annie (04:10):
ah my origin story can i have two origin stories
Tamara Robertson (04:14):
you can have as many as you
Annie (04:15):
okay so i suppose the the main origin story of just how I
love mechanics and stuff likethat and just building stuff.
Now, I call myself a builder,not really a mechanic, not
really a painter, not really inone thing, but I've just always
been fascinated with just likeall things mechanical, all
things building.
I think from the time I couldpick up a hammer, I was like
(04:37):
building stuff and making thingsand taking things apart,
putting them back together.
Tamara Robertson (04:44):
nice.
It's always good if they goback together.
Well, you know, it was alwaysfun for me...
Like every pedal bike you everhad, take it apart, put it back
together.
So the origin story for that isI think I just have always been
fascinated with just like howthings worked and building
things and that sort of stuff.
Now, an origin story forVolkswagens is that my first car
when I was 16 was a 1971 SuperBeetle.
(05:07):
And so it was a really, it wasa really unique car.
And I had a neighbor that wasreally into VWs.
And I remember he brought overlike service manuals and taught
me how to like change the oiland that sort of stuff.
And I drove it through likehigh school.
But then I went to college andit was kind of like, ah, maybe
we need something a little bitmore reliable because, you know,
(05:28):
it's a Volkswagen.
It's like, and I live inCanada.
And so I need something goodfor the roads, going to college,
needed something a little bitsafer, a little bit more
reliable.
And so we got rid of it.
And I knew from the minute thatwe got rid of it, that a
Volkswagen would eventually comeback into my life.
Yeah.
And so like literally 25 yearslater, one just kind of like
(05:51):
dropped in my lap a little bit.
Actually, my husband found itfor me because he knew that I
wanted to do one.
So he came home and he's like,I found the one.
And it was just a piece ofcrap.
And I thought, yep, that's theone.
That's the one.
And so, and I, and honestly, Ithought it was too late, but
then I was like, well, I thinkit's not too late.
You can always learn newthings.
And like, so we just kind oflike dove in.
(06:13):
Well, by we, I'm always, that's
You and the voices in your head.
Annie (06:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Someone pointed out to me oncethey said, you always talk about
yourself as we, I'm like, Ithink it's because there's lots
going on in my head.
And it feels like lots ofpeople, but anyways, long story
short, 25 years later, We werein it.
I thought, I'm going todocument this.
I don't care who follows me,who wants to see it.
(06:40):
I'm putting everything outthere.
And that's how it
Tamara Robertson (06:42):
I was going to ask you about the love affair
with Volkswagen.
And I have to admit that it'sfor a selfish reason.
I've been obsessed withVolkswagen since I was a little
kid.
Are you serious?
Yes.
And my dad would not let me getone because he said that buying
a Volkswagen was like buyingyour coffin because every other
car in the U.S.
(07:03):
was so big that...
When you wrecked, you'd begone.
Annie (07:06):
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (07:07):
But I, as that little girl still inside, I
wanted one.
Annie (07:10):
You still really want
Tamara Robertson (07:12):
And I just did King of the Hammers for the
first time.
Annie (07:15):
Oh, yes.
Tamara Robertson (07:15):
I mean, I went to King of the Hammers for the
first time this year with theJessi Combs Foundation.
Annie (07:19):
Right.
Tamara Robertson (07:19):
Representing Jessi as Queen of the Hammers.
Annie (07:23):
Obviously.
Tamara Robertson (07:23):
And the foundation.
I saw, I think Teresa told metoday, it's called the class 11.
Annie (07:30):
Oh, the class 11 bugs.
Tamara Robertson (07:31):
And they're all bugs and they just have
these giant gnarly like bugballs and they're all, I want
one so bad.
Annie (07:40):
I really want to build one too.
And amazingly, because I havesome class 11 guys that I follow
and I talk to one of them quitea bit.
And amazingly, they're allstock motors.
They're just like, they're notsouped up.
They're not anything like aclass 11 has to be a stock
motor.
Oh, Because they have the stockclass with the bigger ones, so
I am aware of that.
(08:00):
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
And he's not doing it anymore,but I loved his content because
he did the same thing that Ikind of did.
It was just like, this is whatI'm doing in the garage today.
This is how you do this.
And you could totally followalong with the build because
those class 11 guys, they justrace, rebuild, race, rebuild.
Tamara Robertson (08:17):
I mean, with the number that I saw going like
this ass over .
tea kettle, I think you have torace and rebuild.
Annie (08:22):
that would be so fun to build one.
Tamara Robertson (08:24):
So, it's funny because, like, I came into this
with that being the vision thatI got earlier this year.
And then going through themountains of West Virginia
today, I was like, I would loveto bring a vintage bug here.
Because I feel like they'relightweight.
They're going to be able tohandle curves easy.
Annie (08:44):
Well, the manual transmission helps with the
hills.
Tamara Robertson (08:49):
Oh my gosh, right?
Annie (08:50):
exactly.
Tamara Robertson (08:51):
I think it would be amazing out here.
And can you imagine the littlepictures?
I know, so cute.
I also just want to be tallerthan the vehicle.
I might be a little bit of it
Annie (09:00):
Well, we were talking because there are a few bugs out
here.
And I've talked to those guys.
And some of them are runninglike a stock motor and you know
air cooled air cools are that'sthe the big thing is keeping
them cool and uh it's a twoladies are running one it's a
totally stock motor and they'rekeeping it cool and it's not so
bad but yeah and so it's totallypossible because i came here
(09:22):
thinking no way you can't run anair cooled without like full
flow and like external oilcooler cooler but they're doing
it which is um it blows my mindthat they're doing it with this
heat
Tamara Robertson (09:34):
so it is it is and so .
.
Let's, let's like talk aboutthe elephant in the room because
I haven't even said it.
So this is the first livepodcast event, right?
We're not on zoom.
You're not in Canada.
We're in person.
We are actually on theHemming's great race right now.
We are in Ronoake, Virginia atour overnight stop.
(09:56):
It is Thursday.
Annie (09:58):
I can right now.
It is Friday.
Tamara Robertson (10:00):
It is Friday.
Annie (10:02):
don't know what day it is.
We don't know where we are.
We just know we're having fun.
Tamara Robertson (10:05):
Yeah.
So for those of you that havebeen following along, you know,
this race is incredible.
It started in Minneapolis.
It's going all the way down toSouth Carolina.
Annie (10:13):
Amazing.
Tamara Robertson (10:14):
When did you get onto the race?
Annie (10:16):
So I couldn't come right away.
I had to drop in at Moline,Illinois.
So that's where I dropped in.
And that was day two overnightinto day three.
So I drove that.
My first day was day three.
Okay. Day Three. Day Three Would have been - Monday.
Day Monday.
Tamara Robertson (10:32):
Monday.
Amazing.
And I joined on Wednesday.
Wednesday.
and then drove Thursday.
Yes.
Yes.
And then, well, kind of droveon Thursday.
Well, I didn't.
I didn't actually.
No, you didn't.
You were in there.
So driving today.
No,
Annie (10:45):
that's a whole story.
Tamara Robertson (10:46):
And so, okay.
So the great race like that,it's where we're at.
It's what we're doing.
Had you ever heard of the greatrace before you got the, you
know, I call it the bat signalthat Riley sent out for
everyone.
Annie (10:59):
Yes, very cool.
Very cool.
Tamara Robertson (11:01):
Had you heard of it?
And if not, when you firststarted looking it up to figure
out whether or not you were in,what were your thoughts?
Annie (11:07):
Oh, Okay, so never in my life had I heard of it.
Like I'm a builder, I don'treally follow the racing scene,
although I do follow some of theracers that are on Instagram
and stuff.
So I'm familiar, but I'm alsofamiliar with like the drag
racing and like the track racingand all that sort of stuff.
I had no idea that there was arace that was set up this way.
And for me, as soon as Istarted diving into it, I
(11:31):
thought, oh, this is for me.
Because I am kind of like anumbered Cheers.
person because this feels verymuch like a puzzle like being
able to be consistent and be apuzzle and then making up time
so honestly when I first heardof it I didn't know anything
about it and then we got thatlittle packet of things and I'm
(11:52):
going over just kind of readingit and then the directions and
learning more I kind of dovedeep for one night I just kind
of was like zoned in on it andit just seemed amazing to me
that they had a race that haveto be accurate the
Tamara Robertson (12:05):
most accurate it's the most accurate it's a
precision road rally race.
Annie (12:09):
feels like a game to me, and I love it.
It's
Tamara Robertson (12:12):
a strategy game.
It's a strategy game.
I don't feel like I totallyknow if I'm winning yet, and
then I'm like, oh, I
Annie (12:17):
did it.
And you get to the end, andthere is a little bit of
strategy involved.
We were talking, if you'regoing to maybe be making the
podium, there are little thingsyou can do to maybe trick the
person behind you.
You know, going slower.
So, yeah.
No.
Tamara Robertson (12:32):
Okay.
That's a whole other thing.
Everyone else is playing atotally different game than we
are in the fairly is what I'mhearing right now.
So there's like the physicalendurance, the time endurance.
We're dealing with a huge heatwave right now in the Midwest.
Annie (12:45):
It is wild
Tamara Robertson (12:46):
It is insane.
Like, Sweaty butt prints havebeen left on windshields during
gargoyle motor moments.
I don't know who left those.
Who left those?
I don't know.
No idea.
But it is a thing that ishappening.
And so it is so hot that you'resoaked the whole time.
You're just dripping.
So you're getting no sleepbecause you're wrenching on the
(13:07):
car all night.
And then we're creatingcontent.
So we're editing up until theearly a.m.
a 20-hour day.
Annie (13:13):
It's like a 20-hour day every day.
Tamara Robertson (13:17):
Go, go, go In the heat.
But now you're telling me thaton top of that, The other cars
may be playing psychologicalgames with us.
Annie (13:26):
Yeah, so we just want to divert into that just a minute.
Tamara Robertson (13:29):
Yeah, I do want to.
Annie (13:30):
Someone was telling me that once you get to, because we
are day seven.
We're day seven.
We're day seven of nine.
We're day seven of nine, andthe championship runs start
tomorrow and on Sunday.
And they said during thechampionship runs, the ones that
are doing well, they're usuallyat the front.
And so I was told that there isa little bit of strategy
(13:52):
involved where the person maybein front of you or the person
behind you might get right up onyou so that the person in front
thinks that they're slow orsomething, or the person in
front might go slow so theperson behind is like, oh crap,
we're like, we're too fast orsomething.
It's kind of like a mind gamewhere you're like, are they
messing with me?
Am I on time?
(14:14):
Did I mess up something?
Did I miss something?
Isn't that interesting?
So there is a little bit of achess game near the end.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously we aren'tdoing that, but the veterans,
there is a little bit of thatgoing on.
Tamara Robertson (14:28):
I thought they were passing the torch to us,
but they could be lighting us onfire.
Annie (14:32):
They could be, but honestly, it's kind of like if
you're here to win because it isthere's there's cash money
involved so you know they theymight just be those last couple
days get real sneaky and seriousso so while it is a super fun
and like it is pretty chill onceyou get to the end the ones
that are like in it to win ityeah you might there's a little
(14:54):
bit of strategy involved i don'tknow we'll see
Tamara Robertson (14:57):
this is this has been this is a really
interesting thing for me rightokay so now that bat signal was
put up by Riley of Riley ofRebuild.
So like I met Riley doing anautograph signing for fans at
SEMA years ago.
When did you first meet Rileyand how has that evolved
Annie (15:17):
So funny thing is, I think we've just kind of been
like Instagram followers of eachother and admirers of what each
other do.
I love what she does and allthose things.
So we've just kind of knowneach other through social media.
And at SEMA, we kind of saweach other, but we didn't really
connect like Sema's crazy.
You're like seeing so manypeople.
So we were kind of at the sameevents every once in a while and
(15:39):
we kind of saw each other.
It was really Dane that Italked to.
That's Riley's dad.
So I talked to Dadager.
Yeah, I love that, Dadager.
So I connected with Dane acouple times, but it was really
just kind of passing by.
But we had, you know, admiredeach other online for a little
while at least.
So we knew each other that way.
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (16:00):
And what I love about this group of women,
you know, as we you're sayingwe're running 20 hour days.
Everyone here is a real dealbecause one of the biggest rules
of the great race is if you'renot in the car, you don't get to
work on it.
And so when you have a day likewe had yesterday with the
Fairlane where literally justduring calibration runs, you're
making it a quarter mile at atime.
(16:20):
We've literally been nicknamedVin Diesel because we're living
life a quarter mile at a time.
It was just like that.
You know, everyone's gettingout.
They're all wrenching.
And so, you know, we're alldoing this.
because our charity partner,the Jessi Combs Foundation.
So Jessi actually was a grandmarshal back in 2016.
And so it makes sense.
(16:41):
Like we've got all these womenthat are the real deal, which
was also, they're one of oursponsors as well.
And that was an organizationthat Jessi co-founded with
Teresa, who's on the race withus.
So before you got involved withthis, you got involved with
Riley, you found out that thatwas a charity partner.
Had you heard of Jessi?
Did you know who Jessi was?
Annie (17:01):
Yes, I had heard of Jessi.
And mostly it was because justof me starting this Instagram
journey for myself, you know, assoon as you're starting to
follow like all these amazingwomen in automotive, she pops up
and she pops up.
And there are people who arelike, like the Jessi Combs
Foundation that popped up andRealty Revolution that popped
up.
And so these things juststarted popping up and a lot of
(17:24):
people just talking about Jessi.
And so I did not know herbefore, but now that I'm like
kind of automotive saturatedwith like my Instagram, I know
what she's done and I understandwhat she's done for everyone.
That is really apparent toanybody who's going to know or
care to look at what she's done.
It's really apparent that she'sbeen a really important figure
(17:46):
for women in the automotiveindustry and racing and all that
sort of stuff.
So I didn't ever have thepleasure of knowing her
beforehand, but I know her now.
And she's rad.
She's like...
who would not just want to beexactly who she is.
Like, she is so cool.
Tamara Robertson (18:02):
She's so cool.
Yeah.
Annie (18:03):
And just amazing.
I like, and from talking tolike Teresa and some of the
other people who have known her,they just say she was just, she
was, like you said, she's thereal deal.
Tamara Robertson (18:11):
She was the real deal.
She was a trailblazer and, youknow, wrenching all the time
right out there too.
And I think, you know, that,that word trailblazer is
something that describes everysingle woman that is on our team
that's in this industry.
And so what does, what does itmean to you to be a trailblazer?
Annie (18:30):
man, that is a really good question.
I think it means doing hardthings.
I think it means doing the hardthing and that idea of knowing
that it's hard, knowing thedifficult path in front of you,
and you're doing it anyways.
And I honestly think that atrailblazer doesn't necessarily
(18:50):
think or know that they're atrailblazer.
They're just doing it becausethey either know what's right,
or that it's just the passionand they just have no quit and
they're gonna do it.
And so a trailblazer is just,they know the hard, they know
the uphill and they do itanyways.
And that's that, yeah.
Tamara Robertson (19:09):
Dang, that's beautiful.
I think you guys, you know, Ido a quote tile for every
episode and I think I don'teven, episodes done, we're done.
No, I'm just kidding.
All right.
So this has been incredible.
You know, we all got to watchJessie's episode, The List,
before coming in.
Yeah, so cool.
And, you know, she was gettingheckled a lot.
(19:30):
That amazes me.
They've been sharing thestories too, you know, about
going too slow, going too fast,being in the way with the
creating.
Annie (19:38):
they were.
like they started to feel likethey were just in the way and a
nuisance yeah
Tamara Robertson (19:43):
yeah yeah and so with it one of the biggest
issues was that she had a wholecamera crew with her right
because they were doing it forthe show
Annie (19:50):
exactly
Tamara Robertson (19:50):
we also basically are a giant camera
crew right so Tell the audiencea little bit about what you've
been creating while you're hereand what you're hoping it's
getting out to the world.
Annie (20:03):
Obviously, we know that we have a whole bunch of female
women like content creators andwe kind of all have different
backgrounds and we're all doingdifferent things like some are
really prevalent on YouTube orTikTok or they kind of have
their niche and then really neatthing is we all kind of do
something different.
So basically what I've beencreating is my goal here is to
not change like what my contentstyle is and I don't I think,
(20:26):
you know, I've been invited hereto create content.
I'm going to do it in the waythat I do it.
Absolutely.
So really, my content style iskind of storytelling.
I just like to, you know, showwhat I've done for the day.
And I love doing it in 90seconds.
I think that's a really funchallenge.
But my goal has been to createa couple pieces of content every
(20:47):
day that hopefully reflect whatthe day felt like.
And I think I've had lots ofopportunities to do that because
we've had so much troubletrouble with the Fairlane every
day like for real but every dayhas felt a little bit yeah we
love her she's a good girl butevery day has felt so different
every day has had a differentfeel like the day that we drove
(21:08):
and we actually made it to theend that is a day that I
hopefully conveyed in acompletely different way than
the day that we were having justlike Like we broke down and we
ran out of gas.
That's a different feeling day.
And so I'm just hoping thatwhen people watch what I did
with the content, that they geta feel for what the days can
feel like.
(21:28):
You're going to have an amazingday where you're rolling
through cornfields and the sunis shining and you feel great.
And then you're going to havedays where you run out of gas
and you get off course and it'sgoing to feel, I mean, we're
still having a great time, butit's like panic because you're
trying to do a timed event.
Remember precision.
Tamara Robertson (21:46):
So
Annie (21:46):
So I'm kind of hoping that people will get a good feel
for what it feels like to behere.
But then also, I'm reallyhoping that with the audiences
that we all have, that peoplewill see it and be like, I want
to go see that.
or I think I can go and dothat.
And especially for the youngerdemographic, because I think
(22:09):
it's true that younger kids arenot drawn to this as much
because all the new cars thatthe kids are driving, they don't
need to be wrenched on.
They don't need to be fixed.
If you do, you take it togarage because we can't fix
them.
So it'd be so fantastic ifpeople saw this and just were
inspired to get a project car.
(22:32):
or get back to the project carthat's been sitting for four
years, because that happens alot.
So that's kind of my hope, alittle bit of inspiration, a
little bit of insight, and maybejust get them excited about if
they've got cars or, you know,about the race too.
So,
Tamara Robertson (22:48):
yeah.
I love that.
It's becoming a...
potentially lost art.
Annie (22:54):
I think so too.
Yes.
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (22:56):
These legacy vehicles are so incredible
because they have so manystories.
And when you're here, you'retalking to the community, you
get to learn like where that carwas before, where they've been
before, what the car has beenthrough.
I mean, just over these ninedays, the story of the fair lane
has been just, you know, andit's like a thriller,
Annie (23:15):
comedy.
It's a saga.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Tamara Robertson (23:20):
It's incredible.
It's been an amazing thing.
So I have to ask if you couldgo back to yourself nine days
ago before you've come into thisrace but you know about the
race with the knowledge you haveright now what are some
pointers you would give thatversion of you
Annie (23:38):
that version of me
Tamara Robertson (23:39):
other than like wear more deodorant
Annie (23:43):
drink more water
Tamara Robertson (23:44):
drink more water wear sunscreen
Annie (23:48):
well I don't know because in general I'm a very glass
half full.
Like there's always a silverlining.
There's always something likein failure.
There's nothing more excitingto me than failing because
there's lessons to be learned.
So I don't know.
I don't know what advice Iwould give because I've loved
(24:11):
actually coming into it totallyblind.
That has actually I maybewouldn't want to know anything.
So maybe I would just be likeman it's gonna be it's gonna
suck some days but you're gonnahave fun but uh practical advice
we'll get into practical advicebecause there is some practical
Tamara Robertson (24:31):
advice
Annie (24:32):
i think the advice i would give is to trust your
navigator Communicate.
I mean, because that's the bigthing is that if you can't have
that communication with yournavigator and have, you know, it
coming back and forth because Imight need something that my
navigator isn't giving me or thenavigator is, I'm not giving
them something.
Communication because there'sso many time things and it
(24:54):
doesn't end when the race ends.
Like there's things that arehappening during the night.
Like they need to find out whenthe start time is and they need
to communicate that to me.
So communication is reallyimportant.
So that's a really practicalthing.
If you're able to, so we cameinto it all cold, right?
Like we had never done itbefore.
Tamara Robertson (25:13):
Like
Annie (25:14):
if you're wanting to come and be competitive, that's
great.
Come and be competitive.
But I don't think you can dothat coming in cold.
Like get out with yournavigator, build a little bit of
a relationship.
Learn about your car.
Like, if you want to be reallyserious, you should probably be
practicing and, you know, knowwhat your acceleration and your
splits and stuff like that,
Tamara Robertson (25:34):
how you do that.
Know your stopping distance.
Yeah, your stopping
Annie (25:37):
distance and, you know, how long you...
Hot, cold, and other.
Exactly.
So, a little, yeah, practicaladvice, you know, lots of water
in the car, that sort of thing.
But as far as just, like,experience advice, honestly, I
love going into an experienceblind.
and just like experiencing itso I don't know if I'd give
(25:59):
myself any experience advice butpractical advice yeah some
communication things and youknow just like taking care of
yourself because you can reallyexhaust yourself if you don't
take care of yourself
Tamara Robertson (26:11):
yes because it is a marathon not a sprint
Annie (26:14):
yeah I'm I'm so impressed like with Riley and Joe who are
in the car we could talk aboutthem if you want to but Riley
yeah They're in the car, so thetwo of them, it's just the two
of them.
We're lucky we have a team.
We're switching people out,people working on the car and
then driving and then switching.
But Riley and Joe, they're init together, just the two of
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them, for nine days.
And I can't imagine the mental,emotional, physical exhaustion
that just starts to pile.
So today's day seven.
They have two more days.
They just need to get throughtwo more days.
And so it's just, at thispoint, Because you're so
exhausted in all those ways, Ifeel like you're just having to
manage things until you get tothe end.
(26:55):
But I got to tell you howimpressed I am with how they're
managing it.
For being, I mean, I'm justgoing to say, for being kids.
Because they're just like,they're not, they're not like,
they're
Tamara Robertson (27:06):
not, I'm going to say this, they're not
seasoned.
They're younger kids than weare.
Yeah,
Annie (27:10):
exactly.
But, and for never doing itbefore, come on, they're killing
it.
Tamara Robertson (27:15):
Dude, so, and that is the one thing to say is
that like, so, riley and joecame into this were handed a
corvette that they had nevertouched never seen never
wrenched on that actually is theprize for people at this race
to win and then they just got init and had to go they had never
met each other they had neverspoken and somehow now finish
(27:39):
each other's sentences which isabsolutely beautiful and on top
of that yeah they are literallysitting in a podium seat right
now.
They're acing.
They're acing.
They aced their first runtogether.
Oh, that's incredible.
They aced so many of theinitial days, which is why
they're in the second podiumseat.
But it is one of those thingsthat like all of the practical
(28:00):
advice that you just gave, theydidn't have coming in.
They didn't have the time to doit.
They're killing
Annie (28:05):
it.
For whatever reason, I thinklike it was like meant to be.
It was written in the stars andthey are like meant to rally
together.
They are
Tamara Robertson (28:13):
meant to rally together.
it is really true it has
Annie (28:16):
been so cool to watch yeah it's been incredible
Tamara Robertson (28:19):
yeah so one thing that i think is kind of
cool that i'm actually wonderingif you've thought about you
being here as part of thecreator race team makes us an
international motorsports raceteam.
Annie (28:38):
You are exactly
Tamara Robertson (28:39):
right.
Oh my goodness.
How does it make you feel to berepresenting Canadian
motorsports right now?
Annie (28:44):
I am very proud.
I'm very happy.
And listen, I had not eventhought about that.
We are an international team.
We
Tamara Robertson (28:51):
are an international race team.
Annie (28:54):
No, that is so cool.
And you know what?
I know the great race is like,I think they tour around
America, which is so fantastic,but we could do this in Canada
and have some incredible routes.
Tamara Robertson (29:04):
It would be a lot less hot.
I'd like that.
Annie (29:06):
would be it would be i like that too yeah because
that's what we're battling downhere is heat heat humidity yeah
it would be a lot less hot butyou could also get snow so you
just yeah
Tamara Robertson (29:18):
yeah so i was going to ask about that because
like obviously we're dealingwith a lot of temperature issues
we are overheating everythingwe are just having vapor lock
issues oh yeah there's all kindsof stuff going on yeah being
from the cold What are a coupleof things that you guys deal
with up there yonder with yourvehicles?
(29:41):
What are some cold things I'llnever understand as a
Southerner?
Annie (29:45):
Having to plug your car in.
You know about that?
Tamara Robertson (29:48):
Like, because it's an electric and you need to
charge it?
No.
No.
Annie (29:52):
So you don't know about plugging your
Tamara Robertson (29:53):
car in?
I don't know about plugging mycar in.
Annie (29:55):
Okay,
Tamara Robertson (29:56):
so...
What do you...
Annie (29:57):
Why
Tamara Robertson (29:58):
doesn't it have an outlet?
You
Annie (30:00):
really don't know.
You really don't know.
Okay, this is fantastic.
So, in Canada, obviously itgets cold.
don't work they're not going todo what they're supposed to do
they hate it so we havestretches now i think this will
translate over because there's aplace in the minuses where they
celsius and fahrenheit kind ofcross so minus 40 that's about
(30:21):
about the same for both so whenwe are in stretches we're minus
40 which i don't think youunderstand
Tamara Robertson (30:27):
at all outside temperature
Annie (30:28):
outside temperature wind chill like minus 60 But
Tamara Robertson (30:32):
we will just stay in bed.
You just Yeah, well, we just
Annie (30:36):
Yeah, we stay in bed.
But it's just the opposite.
Like when you're in Phoenix inthe middle of summer.
Tamara Robertson (30:41):
Oh, yeah.
Phoenix.
You stay you
Annie (30:44):
stay in your house.
So we're when we're in the deadof winter.
So this is what we deal with iswhen ideally you want a heated
garage.
We have a heated garage.
Tamara Robertson (30:53):
Okay.
But
Annie (30:54):
if you don't, and a lot of people don't, you plug your
car in when it's minus 40.
And what that means you have ablock heater.
Tamara Robertson (31:02):
so you plug
Annie (31:03):
your car in it keeps your block you know not like above
zero or anything it's not likeheating it but it just makes it
so that your car will start inthe morning because if you don't
your car is frozen up and itwon't even turn over so
Tamara Robertson (31:16):
is a block heater kind of like a snuggie
for my vehicle no
Annie (31:21):
i don't even i don't i've never had to install one or
even know what it looks like butbasically it just means that
your engine compartment is goingto be at a certain temperature
it's not like above zero butit's like maybe minus 10 Celsius
sort
Tamara Robertson (31:34):
of thing.
There's a little hot box in it.
I like it.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay.
So
Annie (31:37):
that is what we, I'm so glad I taught you about plugging
in your vehicle.
I thought you were messing withme.
No.
I'm not kidding.
No.
I can tell.
I can tell.
But that's the thing.
Like, I remember in college, itwould be like minus 30, and
it's, you know, 10 o'clock atnight.
I'm like, ah, I've got to goplug the car in.
Seriously.
Tamara Robertson (31:55):
No.
Annie (31:55):
I am not kidding.
You don't even believe me, doyou?
I'm going to look it
Tamara Robertson (32:00):
up.
I'm going to look it up.
Guys, if it's real, I'm goingto put a link in the
Annie (32:06):
show notes.
I'm so glad.
The look on your face.
The look on your face ispriceless.
I just
Tamara Robertson (32:15):
don't know you well enough to know if you're
literally just selling me abridge
Annie (32:21):
right now.
Typically, I am not veryserious.
I will take you on a ride, butI'm serious here.
We plug our cars in.
And it's not, I love your like,like an
Tamara Robertson (32:31):
electric car?
I have an element and all I canimagine is a cute little pluggy
tail coming out.
Do you
Annie (32:36):
know what?
Do you know what?
So you have your hood and thenyou have a little, little like,
oh, it would have to be the, thelittle female, oh no, the male
and just kind of sticking out,out of your hood.
I'm going to send you apicture.
Tamara Robertson (32:48):
Oh, please do.
For your notes.
Audience, when I get it, I willput it in the show notes and
you guys, you're going to haveto check it out.
Oh my God.
Annie (32:56):
Do you want to know something else?
I do.
We're on this now.
We're on this now.
So at like malls and stuff andlike a lot of like, like at
colleges and things where you goand plug, they have like little
places you can plug your carin.
At winter.
You don't believe me.
Tamara Robertson (33:15):
Oh my God.
Okay.
Look, you know what?
With the malls, I believeanything because like I went, I
went to Alberta.
I think I told you this when Iwas 18.
Yeah.
I went to the mall of theworld.
I skated inside the mall.
I saw a pirate ship inside themall.
That's
Annie (33:29):
Edmonton.
Yes.
Tamara Robertson (33:29):
They
Annie (33:30):
got a roller coaster in that
Tamara Robertson (33:31):
mall.
There was a casino.
Yes.
Their malls are different.
You guys do malls on a wholedifferent
Annie (33:42):
level.
Yeah, that was a big deal whenthey got that done.
But yeah,
Tamara Robertson (33:46):
so anyways.
Annie (33:47):
I'm going to send
Tamara Robertson (33:48):
you pictures.
You don't believe me.
I believe that there's plugsfor EVs.
We'll see about this.
But
Annie (33:53):
this has been for like 50 years.
This is before the advent ofthe EV.
I don't know.
You totally don't believe me.
Yeah, I'm going to teach youabout block heaters.
I'm going to start sending youstuff.
And you're going to go down arabbit hole and you'll be like,
oh,
Tamara Robertson (34:11):
she was right.
Seriously, guys, if this isreal, it is going to be a tech
talk in the future.
And we're going to bring Amyback on.
And we're going to havefollow-up Q&A with her about
other Canadian things thatthey're hiding from us.
Annie (34:24):
No, I guarantee you half your audience, no, three
quarters of your audience islike, she's full of it.
There's no way.
Plug in your car.
Like, Honestly, I've had thatconversation with my husband.
Can you go plug my car in forme?
When it's that cold, you justhave to.
Anyways.
Okay.
We really went on a
Tamara Robertson (34:43):
rabbit hole little journey there.
I honestly think that we couldsit here and talk all night, but
guys, we've already racedtoday.
It's super late.
I know.
And we still have to go andwork on the vehicles.
So there is one question,though, that I ask every person
that comes on the show.
And that is, if you could haveany superpower, what would it be
and why?
Annie (35:02):
Oh, man.
Yeah.
I should have been prepared for
Tamara Robertson (35:06):
that.
You should have.
Annie (35:07):
I know.
I've been.
Okay.
Hang on.
Any superpower.
Tamara Robertson (35:11):
Any superpower or tech.
You could have a supertechnology too.
That's interesting.
Are you a superhero fan?
Annie (35:17):
I am.
Okay,
Tamara Robertson (35:18):
that's good.
That's good.
I've had a few on the show thatare like, I just don't do
superheroes.
I'm like, what are you doinghere?
Flip the table.
Annie (35:24):
I think because I hate doing homework for things.
I think the superpower I wantis like automatic download of
knowledge.
Tamara Robertson (35:39):
Oh, you want to be like Jarvis.
Yes.
Yes,
Annie (35:42):
exactly.
Like Jarvis.
Yes.
I think I would like that.
I mean, I don't need to havesuper strength.
I don't need super speed, butif I want to know something and
I like, I'm curious, like welive in an age of like
information and accessibility.
We can find anything.
I like going down a rabbit holeof like finding out how like
wells are dug.
I did that one night.
(36:03):
I don't want to spend threehours doing that.
I would just like to download.
I would save so much time.
So that's what I think if Iwanted a superhero power, it's
like the automatic download ofknowledge.
I think that's what I want.
Tamara Robertson (36:17):
I absolutely love that.
That's it for Tinkering Bells.
This episode is assembled andready for delivery.
Thank you so much, Annie.
This has been incredible.
I love this.
Thank you so much.
Annie (36:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
Tamara Robertson (36:32):
I'm going to start a tachyometer.
to push the button yeah justpush the button
i want to thank you for choosingtinkering bells as your user's
manual for all things maker on abi-weekly basis if you want to
continue to hear more don'tforget to rate and review the
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