Ep 51: Healing Starts with the Heart: A Quantum Perspective on Energy & Intuition in Medicine with Dr. Mitch Abrams

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In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Mitch Abrams to talk about the real science behind what we feel but often can’t explain: heart coherence, energetic regulation, and the quantum field’s role in healing.

We dive into:

• What heart coherence actually is—and how it's measurable
• How your nervous system sets the tone in every session
• Why compassion and intention shift patient outcomes
• How the Global HeartSync Project is tracking collective coherence globall
• What the quantum field has to do with clinical care (and why it’s not “woo”)

If you’re a practitioner who knows there’s more to healing than protocols, this conversation is your confirmation—and your next step.

0:00 Introduction to Dr. Mitch Abrams and Heart Coherence

01:07 Dr. Abrams' Personal Healing Journey

03:22 The Intersection of Eastern and Western Medicine

07:28 The Science of Compassion and Healing

19:57 The Role of Practitioners in Patient Healing

39:35 Global Implications of Heart Coherence

43:46 Using Cell Phones for Biofeedback

44:09 Global Magnetometers and Coherence

45:07 The Global Consciousness Project

47:13 Impact of Collective Intention

49:03 Understanding Quantum Field and Coherence

51:04 The Power of Intuition and Non-Locality

58:14 The Role of Arts in Global Transformation

01:02:00 Challenges and Opportunities in Modern Society

01:04:34 The Future of Social Infrastructure

01:13:22 Empowering the Youth for Change

01:16:21 Conclusion and Call to Action

You can learn more about Dr. Mitch Abrams below

https://nexgenhealth.solutions

https://globalheartsync.com

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Episode Transcript

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What if your presence, not yourprotocols is your most powerful

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treatment tool?
Hear me out.

mary (00:07):
in this episode, I'm joined by Dr.
Mitch Abrams to talk about thereal science behind what we
feel, but often can explainheart coherence, energetic
regulation, and the quantumfield's role in healing.
Dr.
Mitchell Abrams is a Canadianradiologist, a TEDx keynote
speaker, an educator and founderof NextGen Health.

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He has also completed hismedical degree and radiology
specialty from DalhousieUniversity in Nova Scotia.
He also holds a subspecialty incross-sectional imaging from the
University of Toronto, and is afellow of the Royal College of
Physicians and Surgeons ofCanada.
Dr.
Abrams is an assistant clinicalprofessor at the Michael g Deru

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School of Medical Sciences andwas a department chair of
diagnostic imaging at CambridgeMemorial Hospital.
Dr.
Abrams is also a certifiededucator of applied Compassion
through the center ofcompassion, altruism, research
and education at StanfordMedical School.
After an unexpected open heartsurgery, Dr.
Abrams experienced a healingjourney of his own, which

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catapulted him on a mission tobring more heart to healthcare
and to our communities.
Dr.
Abrams approach to wellbeingincorporates the leading edge
scientific research and personalexperience as he brings forth an
integrative approach to wholeperson health.
NextGen Solutions was born as asocial enterprise to bring this

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work to the world.
While as non-profit InitiativeRAD Art integrates art and music
to create a sustainable fundingmechanism in support of
resilience training for youthand communities.
In need and for mental healthresearch.
What we're gonna dive into inthis episode is it's just super
rich and fascinating in, moreways than I can explain, but

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we're gonna dive into what heartcoherence actually is and how
it's measurable, how yournervous system sets the tone
with every patHeartsyncssion.
Why compassion and intentionalshift affect patient outcomes?
How the Global Heartsync projectis tracking collective coherence
globally and what the quantumfield has to do with clinical

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care.
And no, it's not just woo.
If you're a practitioner whojust knows there's more to
healing than protocols, thenthis conversation is your
confirmation and your next step.
I'm really excited to share thisepisode with you.
It was fully rich with a lot ofgreat information that I really
think is gonna blow your mind.
So now we'll go into theepisode.

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Welcome back to TMI talk withDr.
Mary where we dive intonon-traditional forms of health
that were once labeled as tabooor dismissed as Woo.
I'm your host, Dr.
Mary.
I'm an orthopedic and pelvicfloor physical therapist who
helps health.
Movement and rehab professionalsintegrate whole body healing by
blending the nervous system intotraditional biomechanics to

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maximize patient outcomes.
I use a non-traditional approachthat has helped thousands of
people address the deeper rootsof health that often get
overlooked in conventionalwestern training.
And now we are gonna be startingour next episode.

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welcome to the show, Dr.
Mitch.
Thank you for being here.
My pleasure.
Great to be with you.
Yes.
Well, you know, I love the workyou're doing blending eastern
and western medicine.
It's, it's just speaking to myheart.
Excellent.
Well, I'm excited to, to chatmore about it.
Yeah.
So we'll just dive right in withsome of the questions and see

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where it goes.
So, what was the main reasonthat led you to understand how
energetics come into play withmodern medicine?
Hmm.
Um, I think it, for me, it camein stages.
My first experience was throughmy radiology residency, you
know, as a radiologist, we're,we're literally non-invasively,

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dissecting the human body, likea loaf of bread without a
scalpel.
So, you know, looking at thehuman body through a lens of
physics and how physics andbiochemistry, anatomy,
physiology, how it all blendstogether to, to, you know, paint
a picture, um, you know, forthe, for understanding health
and wellbeing.

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So from a western lens, thatwas, you know, I guess my first
initiation and then things tooka turn.
Um, very early in my medicalcareer, I learned I required
open heart surgery for acongenital heart condition, and
so.
Through that experience as apatient, uh, I quickly realized

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that there was somethingfundamentally missing within our
Western model, and I just wasn'tanticipating the emotional toll.
You know, my, my mind feltdifferent.
My spirit felt different.
Um, you know, like I often saylike these stories that I was,
that I tell myself, they were,they were different.
So this really catapulted me ina, in a, in a journey, um,

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exploration, looking at how, howdo other cultures approach
health and wellbeing?
Like, I felt like there wassomething just, I.
Fundamentally missing.
And so this eventually led me toIndia, and it was in India that
I found something profound.
You know, this, this science ofspirituality, the science of,

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um, connection or consciousness,whatever you wanna label it as.
But you know, as a radiologistworking with energy, I was
fascinated to, to see that thiswas an ancient wisdom describing
the fundamental energy thatconstitutes all of us in the
world.
And so through that lens, youknow, with my western, you know,

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scientific hat on, and at thesame time, you know, learning
about this ancient wisdom andthis science and beginning to
practice and engage with thisenergy, um, it just opened my
mind, opened my heart, and thatwas where I feel that I.
It just kind of, it just changedmy global worldview and my

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understanding of myself and myrelationships with others in the
world and how medicine, um, youknow, this was a missing
ingredient.
You know, I, I feel like thisisn't just information that's
nice to have.
I really believe that this is,uh, the missing ingredient, how
we approach health, wellbeing,and, and even our global
challenges.

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Yeah, I mean it's, it's sofascinating how much, you know,
you and I were talking beforethis on how sometimes it takes
these, at least for me, it tooka big life change, you know,
getting cancer to realize, wait,I did everything that Western
medicine told me was healthy,right?
Like, I, I exercise, I had goodblood pressure, I was a good

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weight, I had good muscle mass,and then I get cancer at 33.
And that's when I was.
Had to really sit and look atall of our systems and how we
got here.
You know?
And then if you look at how longmodern medicine has been around,
it's been like 150, 200 years.
Yeah.
Which is a baby compared to theancient wisdom of Eastern

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medicine, which is what, 3000 to5,000 years?
I mean, I've seen.
Everything in between.
And so I be, I truly believe thefact that we're not integrating
this is a huge disservice to theworld, our communities and our
patients yeah.
AB absolutely.
And and to your point, you know,uh, the, our current model of

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healthcare was created at a timewhen we thought we understood
ourselves and our relationshipsto each other.
It was built upon a Newtonianperspective of separation.
You know, you're a bit separatefrom my bits.
And this eventually led to whatwe see today is this
industrialized model of care.

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And it, the pendulum has swungso far towards big pharma and
drugs and literally giving awayour power as individuals.
And we need now, you know, asscience is showing us that.
Story, that's just an incompletestory.
And now from a quantum physicsperspective of understanding,

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connection, um, andunderstanding, you know, how
this plays into the science ofcompassion, how powerful it is
in healing and reclaiminginteragency, you know, the model
now needs, um, a big change andneeds to shift.
Uh, it's just, it's like an oldshoe.
It just doesn't fit, um, who andwhat we are individually and

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collectively.
Yes.
No, it, it's, it's needing thatshift and needing to understand.
I think it's so interesting howmuch we've, we've given away our
agency, like you're saying.
I mean, we go to doctors andwe're like, they're not telling
me, you know, they're not givingme the answers that I want and,
and so much I believe, believein, and.

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In meditating.
When I talk to my clients aboutmeditating, I'm like, it's not
just about, you know, justtrying to calm yourself.
Yes, it's part of that, but it'salso looking at your life from
like a, a, an alter anotherpoint of view.
Like as if you're looking at itas a third party being like,
well, what does my body need?

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You know, and sitting with thatand learning about the body and
educating yourself so that whenyou go to, then you can, then
you can use the lens that youhave and be like, oh, I need to
go to this doctor because thisis what's happening in my body
and I need to get help withthis.
And it's, it's getting people totap into that intuition that
we've been so disconnected fromas a society.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And, and, and I feel that, youknow, so, so many people.
We, we have stories, we've beentold stories and stories from
generations back.
The stories that we tellourselves and we've been told,
and yet all of these stories,it's like it creates it, it
paints a picture and everybody,I really believe sees the world

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through this piece of art that'sbeen created through their
lifetime and through generationsback.
And the act, whatever you wantto label it as, this act of
meditation, this, this act of,you know, shifting your
consciousness.
It can, it literally helpsseparate the paint from the
canvas so that now from thathigher lens, that higher state

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of awareness, that you can lookat these stories, you can look
at yourself and begin tounderstand that, you know, the,
some of the decisions thatyou've made.
They don't define you.
They are a moment in time thathelps us understand who we truly
are and help us appreciate thispure potential that we each are.

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And it's, I believe in thesemoments of separation that we
can transform, you know, andthat's where we are now,
learning to listen to the body,learn what is it that we need
from a mental, physical,emotional, and a spiritual, you
know, foundation to support ourwellbeing as a whole person.

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And there's a real science.
I mean, it's, it's, it's quiteamazing when you start to like,
look at the literature.
For decades now, it's beenpointing and moving the needle
towards this understanding thatwe have everything that we need
to heal.
And not to say that we throw outeverything in western medicine.
I, I feel, no, let's take thebest of the west, but integrate

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the ancient wisdom so we createa balanced system for healing,
for patient care and globalhealth and global wellbeing.
Yeah, I mean, I love what you'resaying because you know, when
you're talking about like thatkind of divide from the canvas
is, is thinking about, the way Ithink about that almost is like
pulling away the ego and lookingat your highest consciousness.

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So your highest self and yourwhat.
Might say Best self, high self,because the ego's gonna be so
sensitive to fear and scarcityand criticism, right.
And then the highest self.
So our higher self is going tobe focused more on love
connection and a slower pace ofliving.

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And we live in a culture, in asociety where we're staying in
our ego.
So everything's, so when we'rein that, we're so sensitive to a
lot of different things.
And like you and I were talkingbefore the call is I, I've been
a big people pleaser my wholelife and now I'm like, oh, this
is just an energetics thing,right?
Some people live in, the peoplethat live in ego might be turned
off by the people focused morein this kind of love and

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compassion, and they have thatcapability.
But when you're so in it, it'shard to see that, hey, you
actually have this choice tolook at things in a different
light.
And I truly believe thatsuffering is a choice.
Um, and then pain, obviouslywe're gonna experience pain as
humans.
It's just the human condition.

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We're, we're here, we're goingto experience that.
But sitting it and dwelling init is more of the ego and then
the fear based and thenunderstanding, okay, well what
can I do with this information?
And look at it from a differentlens.
So it's taking off those oldglasses and putting on new,
fresh ones that can actually seethings more clearly.

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Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
And then, you know, somethingthat you said I think really,
really resonates.
Um, the, the Center forCompassion and Altruism Research
and Education at StanfordUniversity, they, they talk
about these five pillars forcompassion and, and compassion
really is pivotal when it forhealing.
And so one of those pillars iswe need to experience, we, we

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need to experience that pain.
We need to experience the hurt.
Um, the fear, but.
We need to experience it in away that allows us to not react
to it, but to look at it, to bewith it in a state of, of, of
coherence so that we can makesense of it.

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And then the moment you look atit, it changes.
And then that's the process ofhealing.
That's the process oftransmuting dark into light.
You know, it, it, it is thatmoment of transformation.
And so I believe that, you know,providing people the tools and
this understanding to reach, youknow, levels of awareness that

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is part of this process of, ofhealing, claiming inner agency
and, you know, recognizing that,you know, perhaps the answer
isn't always found in a, in a,in a pill or in a bottle.
You know, it's found withinevery cell of your body.
It's found in your heart andyou, your true nature.
You know, we're all, as aradiologist, I can say, look,

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we're all beings of light.
That's the only reason why anMRI machine works.
And yet the 2022 Nobel Prize inphysics was a word of three
gentlemen that experimentallyproved that we're all part of a
non-local interconnected, youknow, entangled universe.
So yeah, we're all beings oflight and we're all reflections

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of the same light.
So with that shift and that withthat understanding, you know,
it's not about you versus me,it's not about my ego, it's,
it's about, we are all lightbeings.
How do we embrace the light,recognize it within ourselves so
that I can see it in you, I canexperience it in others.
And that creates such a degreeof compassion for self and

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compassionate latitude forothers, that this is where I
think real healing, you know,stems from.
Yeah, I think so much of, ofhealing is, well, first of all,
none of us are special.
We've all been through some formof pain or traumatic event or
something along those lines,right?
Some people experience more thanothers, but overall, I know for

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my healing process, I was like,nobody's gonna understand.
I've just been through so muchand blah, blah, blah.
And then I've met other peoplewho've been through this journey
and they're, you know, they'reworking towards putting their
ego to the side and, and workingto help raise the collective
consciousness.
I'm like, oh, if they could doit, I have no excuse.
You know, and it was veryhumbling.
And I like to think of it aslike, you know, we want us, it's

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the human condition's gonna wantus to stay in this kind of
victim mode of, nobody's gonnaunderstand, I wish I had a
better childhood.
I wish I wasn't treated thisway.
Well, all of those things are inthe past, and now we can't shift
those.
And so.
I mean, now we can shift those.
We just have to know that wecan, and we haven't been taught

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or have the tools in the waythat at least I was raised and
culturally in the United States,this isn't a priority at
schools.
This isn't, we're not teachingpeople this type of stuff, but
you know, just understandingthat when we go through pain,
right, I'm in a season of griefright now.
And in that it's like respectingwhen it comes up and feeling it,

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allowing myself to be in it andfully feeling it because I know
it's gonna move through me.
And the more that I try to shoveit down, the more it's gonna
come out in, in physical pain,emotional pain, or something
along those capacities.
And I truly believe true healthis getting people to understand

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their bodies.
And have body awareness becausethe body speaks to us, but our
brain isn't aware.
Our conscious brain isn't awareof how to interpret it.
And so that's a huge passion ofmine is getting healthcare and
movement professionals to getpeople in their bodies.
So then the rest kind of slowlystarts taking care of itself
once they feel that, I don'tknow if that's been your

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experience, but that's kind ofthe, the light switches on and
they're like, oh wow.
I had no idea.
This kind of power.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean that really, uh, itspeaks to such a degree of truth
when we think about the absoluteintelligence that's found within

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every cell of our body.
I mean, if you think about whenthe egg and sperm unite that
single cell like a seedeventually grows, and I.
Emerges as this super organismthat's so complex, you know,
billions of chemical reactionsper second that are so

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coherently connected to create abeautiful, complex living
organism.
And that knowledge, you know, ispart, it's, it's in us.
We are truly, um, an extensionof the universe.
And science is proving this,this is what the Nobel Prize is,

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is, is telling us that everyatom in our body has information
of every other atom, of thisentire universe.
That's information of theuniverse within each of us, and
even Buddha.
Thousands of years ago, hetalked about, you know, kalas,
the, the vibrations at, at thesubatomic level and, and you

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know, his teaching of thepasana.
He, he would say, look, if wecan learn how to quiet the mind,
learn how to tune in to thesensations of the body, you'll
receive panya, you'll receivethis wisdom of the world.
It just comes to you.
And just like an MRI machine canlisten to the information at the

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vibrational level of your, ofyour atoms, here we are.
We do have the capacity tolisten to our bodies and listen
to the information that ROTresides within so that we can
have a expanded level ofawareness of ourselves and each
other.
So, a, a, absolutely, I thinkthe key is body sensory

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awareness and that emotionalintelligence, whatever you want
to call it.
It's, it's, it's foundationalin, in medicine.
Well, it's, it starts with thepractitioner, right?
If we don't have, if we're notgrounded as practitioners, they
can feel our energy.
You know, I know that you hadsaid in your TED Talk too about

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how people can feel your energyfrom four feet away.
And, and, and that's your heart.
And in that, if we're justregulated and showing up, and,
you know, in medicine, we aretaught to be on the defense, to
not be sued, you know, to comeinto it that way.
So automatically we're coming inwith a heightened nervous

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system, right?
And then.
And in that the client, thepatient's gonna feel that too.
And so it's so important as, aspractitioners, that we are
practicing this ourselvesbecause then there's this
intuitive part of, of healing,right?
Because nobody's textbook, I'venever met one person that's been

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a textbook PT case.
Everything that I've seen, I'vehad to look at the person from a
overall perspective, watch themmove and put all the information
together and interpret it basedon the information that I've
been given.
So you're digesting it throughyour lens.
If I am dysregulated, I cannotdigest that and look at that.

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Clearly.
My body is just thinking, we'rerunning from a bear.
I don't, I can't figure out thisshit, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And you know, and we werechatting about this like that,
the science of the heart showsus that when we are available
for others, when we are showingup with compassion for ourselves

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and for another, it allows us tosynchronize our heart rhythms
with others.
And that physiologicsynchronization has been shown
to be foundation in how we feelthat we're being heard.
We feel that deep sense ofconnection, and that has been
shown to heal people.

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That has been shown to reducepain perception by over 50%.
So how a practitioner shows up,either being in a state of
regulation and a state ofcoherence and, and a state of
inner peace and compassion.
Or in a state of stress andangst has a direct impact on
patient care and patientoutcomes.

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It's, yeah, it's basically, andwe might not see the connection,
the energy, but it's there.
I mean, it's just, this is justa truth.
Yeah.
It's the co-regulation.
It's, it's, yeah, it's showingup in that way.
And, and it's so interestingbecause, you know, when we can
show up that way, we're notthinking of it the right way.
I know there's so much of, um,at least in the pt rehab world,

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where we're like, oh, let's getthem doing these exercises and
this, and da da, da, da, becauseif we're just sitting and
talking, where're wasting time.
That's kind of been the, atleast the way that I've
interpreted, the way that it is.
Right.
And now, you know, I'm 14 yearsinto practicing and I'm, I'm,
no, oh my gosh.
My energy is my first treatment.
The energy in your space is yourfirst treatment, because if

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you're dysregulated, like youwere saying, that patient can't
regulate because they're feelingphysiologically, your your
dysregulation.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, you know, and, and youknow, the, the system at least,
you know, in Canada is, is isdesigned in such a way, it's,
it's industrialized.

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So, you know, family physiciansfor instance, they have, you
know, no more than seven minutesper patient.
You know, uh, visit nurses areso overwhelmed, uh, with, you
know, with, with work, withpatient loads, they don't have
time to sit and connect with apatient.

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So, you know, here we are in amoment in time where science is
revealing so much aboutourselves and our relationships
to each other, revealing thepower of compassion as it
relates.
Not just to to practitionerburnout, but to, to patient
outcomes.
But yet our system, again, itwas designed at a time, it

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didn't appreciate these things.
It's become so industrialized,so focused on efficiency and on
numbers that we are unable totruly leverage and capitalized
on compassion.
We, we can't, we can't use allthis new, you know, this
emerging science to create arobust, um, you know, and I

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would even say a, a moreproactive and preventative
approach to medicine because weare a disease driven model.
Um, of, I don't even want, youknow, we call it healthcare, but
here we are, you know, it's likea paradox, but it's, um.
You know, we, we, we do need tochange.
We need to change with thetimes.
And, um, I think what the morepeople understand and tune into

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the heart, the science of theheart, that's like the first
chapter, so that we can begin toreframe medicine in a way of
understanding energy andconnection and our connection to
the whole, to something muchgreater than ourselves.
And from that perspective, Ithink we can really cultivate,

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you know, a true, robust, um,system for, for healing and for
care.
Yeah, I think if, if we justknow we're being held by
something greater that'scompassionate and loving and not
out to get us, you know, somepeople call it the universe.
Some people call it God, youknow, whatever beliefs that
people have.

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I truly believe that having thatpeace of that can support the
nervous system just to know thatyou're, you know.
A benevolent force, whatever itmay be, can help with the
nervous system from thatstandpoint.
And we don't, like, we justdon't talk about it in medicine

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'cause it's been considered wooor whatever it may be.
I mean, I use that terminologyjust to get people to understand
how we can blend the, the two,but there's, there's so much in
that, but it is, it is tough.
So what would you say ifsomebody's listening, and maybe
they are a practitioner that isworking and has seven minutes

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with a client.
I mean, how can they, how, whatwould you suggest for that
person who maybe doesn't havethat time?
Um, I would, I, I would say tothem, look, we need to recognize
first and foremost.
Become aware of the power of theheart.
So to recognize that in 30seconds you can literally learn

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how to tune in to the heart toshift your physiology.
I mean, this isn't, what, whatwe're talking about is not just
about feeling good.
This is literally a, aphysiologic shift that balances
your brain and your body so thatit will unlock your potential.
So if you're, you know, aphysician and you're, you know,

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meeting your 30th patient of theday by starting that in that
conversation, that moment withthe patient, with 30 seconds of
getting centered in your heart.
Not only refreshes your ownmental and physical, you know,
moment for the patient, but ithelps establish a space that you

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and your patient are now gonnashare together.
It creates this moment ofconnection, and so the more that
we just simply become aware ofour own energy and you become
aware that our energy is gonnaaffect others, then that may be
the impetus for practitionerssay, you know what?
I will start with 30 seconds orone minute.

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Because just having that abilityto hear and to listen to a
patient perhaps may make the,the, the whole difference in how
that patient is not only gonnabe received, but how I'm going
to identify what is really atthe, you know, the, the issue
with this person and, and to beclear.

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I really believe that as apractitioner, you know,
physician, like we're nothealing people.
We're, we're in a position tosupport an individual's healing.
Mm-hmm.
And so, and again, it goes backto appreciating how you manage
your own energy and how yourenergy's gonna engage with a

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patient is part of the processthat's gonna help unlock the
healing process of another, ofthat, of that person, that
patient.
And so, you know, if, if we areconfined to the limitations of
an antiquated model, I believethe first step is to empower
yourself with the knowledge,with a simple understanding.

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If you, you wanna dive deep intothe physiology of, of, you know,
heart coherence and heart brainentrainment.
Sure.
Fill your boots.
But at the end of the day, byjust simply becoming aware that
there is.
Something powerful about theheart and learning a very simple
technique.
And the more that you practiceit, it's like a muscle.

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So the more that you practice,the easier it becomes, the more
effective it, you know, it comesDr.
Herbert Benson from Harvard, youknow, famous cardiologist.
He called it the relaxationeffect where we can literally
consciously put ourselves intoan optimal physiologic state.
And I believe every practitionerneeds to understand this.

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They need to practice it forthemselves and for the benefit
of their, of their patients.
And I think that is the firstbaby step that will eventually
lead us down a path of changingthe healthcare system.
Yeah, I, I love what you saidabout we're not, you know, we
are guiding them.
You know, we're, we're here atleast the evidence-based

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medicine is the practitioner'sexperience research, and then
the patient.
We forget about the patient allthe time in evidence-based
medicine, it's, if they don'twanna do something, it doesn't
matter what research said.
It doesn't matter, uh, yourexperience, it has to do with
what that person wants.
And so I, I feel aspractitioners and that,

(30:17):
including myself, I feel we puta lot of pressure on ourselves
to like heal people or getpeople better faster.
And it's, they're a part, we'rea part of their journey.
And the way I look at it when,you know, is I'm thankful that
I'm a part of their journey.
Journey, but I don't, it's notmy journey, it's theirs.
And that can take some, that cangive some compassion to the

(30:38):
practitioner of being like, Hey,it's okay if you don't.
You're not gonna get everybodybetter.
It, it's just medicine.
It's not, doesn't mean you're abad practitioner, it just means
that you're human.
And that person may not havebeen ready to receive that.
Maybe your energies weren'taligning, maybe, who knows?
Maybe they just wanted to begiven a pill and you're not that
practitioner that's gonna dothat.

(31:00):
And so, kind of going back towhat you were saying, what would
be like something they could do?
I mean, would you say like agrounding practice, like kind of
breathing through theirdiaphragm before they go into,
um, a, you know, a treatmentsession or a patient visit.
What would you say?
What would be a nice groundingtechnique for them?

(31:22):
So, um, you're right, the breathis so powerful.
So by taking slow, deep breathsand a right, and an even rhythm.
Allows it, it, it entrains your,your nervous system.
It entrains the heart ratevariability.
So if you could take, you know,even a three slow deep breaths,

(31:42):
you know, inhaling for five toseven, maybe even 10 seconds,
and then exhaling for the same,you are very quickly helping
reboot your system.
You know, kind of re re youknow, energizing your, your,
your system.
And when you take those breaths,if you can place your awareness

(32:04):
on your heart center, you know,simply by perhaps imagining that
breath flowing through yourheart, perhaps just becoming
aware of the spaciousness thatyou can feel.
And with every con, you know,with every outbreath, can you
drop deeper into thespaciousness that stillness, the
void of the heart, and can youreach further?

(32:27):
Into the heart that awareness ofstillness and spaciousness in
the heart center activates theheart.
And, and that can really, um,you know, help with cortisol
levels.
It helps, um, increase, youknow, DHEA levels.
And so it helps rebalance yourhormones, your system, and

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inevitably, you know, with,particularly with practice,
people notice like, wow, likeit's a game changer.
It just helps you connect, helpsyou ground and stay present.
Yeah, I love that because it'sbasically we have to show our
body that it's safe.
Our body speaks a differentlanguage than the way you and I

(33:11):
speak to each other.
It'd be nice if our body waslike, Hey, do this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That'd be such a, a treat.
But that's not the way it works.
And so tuning in and reallyfeeling that breath, what is it
doing to your body?
And I think that this is soimportant, why we need to
understand the physiology.
I know that in um, in differentpractices, like in pt, we'll be

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like, oh, that send a send to alymphatic person, or you send to
vestibular this.
And I'm like, well, we need tohave a basic understanding of
how these systems work becauseif we don't, we can't.
Physiologically teach peopleabout their bodies, just even
understanding the lymphaticsystem and fascia.
And if we can explain that topeople,'cause people might

(33:55):
think, oh, well, uh, if there'sno point in me exercising,
there's no point in me justwalking around, maybe the
hospital outside or whereveryou're working, even if it's
just for 10 minutes, but you'repumping lymph through your body.
You can visualize what'shappening to your body.
It's help pumping that to thelymph nodes, which is helping

(34:15):
reduce toxins in your, in yourbody.
And we're getting blood flow andstabilizing blood sugar and just
understanding how we workphysiologically as a
practitioner, as from a baselevel, because then we can
visualize that in our bodies andbe like, what is happening?
Oh, my lungs are filling.
Wait, which part of my lung isfilling?

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Yeah, that, that's so important,Mary, that's so important.
I'm, I'm, you know.
You look back at what Einstein,he said, you know, basically
imagination is the highest formof intelligence.
Mm-hmm.
And when you look at whatresearch is showing, like even,
you know, going back to Dr.
John Kabat Zins, some of hisinitial work, you know, the

(34:57):
godfather of mindful basedstress reduction therapy.
His work was looking at patientswith psoriasis, an inflammatory
skin condition and testing tosee, well, if people learn how
to quiet the mind, get into thismindful state, and then use
their imagination to visualizethe cells in that inflammatory

(35:18):
state and how the light ishealing those cells at a
molecular level.
If people could imagine thiswith a little bit of education,
well the research shows comparedto the control group, these
people were healing up to fourtimes faster.
And you know, for those, youknow, following, you know,
there's just.

(35:38):
So much work showing that well,actually your intentions and the
more knowledge that you have,the more that you are actually
consciously modulating yourgenetic expression.
So to your point, the more thatwe can learn about ourselves,
the more that we can imagine,and the more agency, the more

(36:01):
healing, um, can be cultivatedand can will stem from that.
Now, one of the things that I,I, I, I appreciate in the world
of medicine is that, you know,practitioners are just over
overwhelmed themselves.
I mean, we're dealing with a,with an, a burnout epidemic, a a
degree of compassion fatiguethat we've never seen before in,

(36:22):
in, in, in medicine.
And yet, here we are, here, weare talking about, wow, we need
to learn more about energy.
We need to reframe and, and weneed to share with our patients
so that they can better learn.
So one of the things.
We've created to help thisprocess is to provide like a, a,
a referral, you know, uh,offering so that physicians who

(36:47):
don't have perhaps the tools orthe time to share this
information with patients.
They can refer them to an onlineoffering that provides them with
this basic understanding,provide them with the, the
techniques to, to induce thisphysiologic state of, of heart
coherence.

(37:07):
And I.
Here are free tools so that youcan actually measure your heart
coherence in real time so thatyou can, you know, uh, track
your progress and improve your,your, your own personal training
so that eventually when thesepatients come back to your
office, you know, that 30seconds at, at the, at the start

(37:27):
of your engagement with thepatient could perhaps now be
done in partnership with eachother.
With that sense of connectionand, and both now understanding,
well, what's happening, what'staking place?
Your nervous systems are nowlike a symphony synchronizing
together, and now we're here foreach other.
How can we support each other inthis process?

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And that, I think is where,again, that's where real
healing, um, and, and realchange can, will come about.
Yeah.
I, I truly believe that whenpeople, people just wanna be
heard.
They just wanna be heard.
They are dismissed day in, dayout, everywhere in life right
now.
I mean, it is in healthcare, youknow, even when I go to a store,

(38:13):
I'm not greeted, you know, I'm,I'm ignored.
And it's just the basic humandecencies are just not common
anymore.
And, and if we can just, even ifwe have seven minutes with
somebody and we can refer themto, Hey, there's this platform
that, you know, Dr.
Mitch has, that they can learnfrom, or, or just validating,

(38:34):
Hey, you know, your symptoms arereal, but I think you might need
to see this person.
Those are all healingexperiences, even though we, we
might think.
Oh, I didn't do anything.
But you did.
We sat there, we listened, weheard.
And it doesn't take much.
I mean, I just wanna be greeted,just, hi Mary, how are you
doing?

(38:55):
You know, I, it's basic thingsand, and people are not used to
that.
And if we can think of it from adifferent lens of, yes, I have
seven minutes, but maybe I cango in and maybe I can give them
a resource because this resourceworked for me.
Or tell them about a book orsomething along those lines.

(39:15):
And then there's, you know,practitioners like myself that
were out of the insurance model.
So we get to be able to conversemore with patients in that
capacity, which is even moreimportant that we're regulated
'cause we have this extendedperiod of time with them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.

(39:35):
And, you know, the, this, thisunderstanding of connection I
think is so important.
I mean, we're, you know, yes,it's important in the setting of
patient care in the office, butthen we're at a whole level of,
well, look what's going on inour communities.
Look, what's, what's going on oncampuses.
There's such a degree of socialdivide.

(39:56):
And if, you know, people don'tthink that that's triggering,
you know, your, the limbicsystem and the amygdala.
Well, you know, this is part ofthe, you know, the, the, the
conversation around health andwellbeing and what I think is
fascinating in this moment intime as we better understand

(40:18):
energy, as we understand thescience of the heart, and we
begin to recognize, um, ourinterconnectedness.
This has, um, hugeramifications.
How we address community healthand wellbeing from, you know,
everything you know, starts at,you know, it, it starts with

(40:39):
healthcare in, in the, in theclinic, in the patient
engagement.
But the implications of wherethis information and where these
practices lead is to the levelof global health.
Mm-hmm.
And we now have technologythat's available to us to
measure the global heartbeat.

(41:01):
We can actually measure heartsynchronizing, not just in, you
know, the patient practitionerrelationship, but on a global
scale.
We can now begin to witness howour heart rhythm synchronized
and how the energy that we'refeeding a field of energy that
we're all sharing, we're allinfluencing a, a field of energy

(41:21):
and we're all being influencedby it.
And when as we begin to betterappreciate this deep
relationship.
With each other.
It allows us to reframe how arewe gonna move forward in a world
of such divide?
How can we feel this deep under,you know, this, understand this
unified reality, this truth, andyet we're living day by day in a

(41:46):
world that makes us feel soseparated and, and perhaps even
worse, you know, such a, a, a, adislike for one another.
So we, we need to now addressthe issues of this disconnect
from each other, this divide,and help us appreciate the unit,

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this, this fundamental truth.
And how are we gonna now movetowards reconciliation?
How are we gonna.
Get to this point of connection.
And the science of heart reallydoes allow people to not only
claim inner agency, but as theybegin to feel a deep connection
to themselves.
It's an inevitable unfolding.

(42:28):
A sequela, you know, if, if youlike, of understanding and, and
of, of feeling a wider degree ofcompassion for, for another.
And because these stories thatwe tell ourselves about
ourselves and the stories aboutanother begin to slowly
dissolve.
They be, they begin to, youknow, uh, become less and less

(42:51):
loud.
More irrelevant because a truthemerges from within.
And we can see each other now.
And one of the, the beautifulthings is that since we can now
measure it, now, a globalcommunity can now witness like,
wow, there's a global heartbeatthat's emerging and I'm a part

(43:11):
of that heartbeat.
How do they measure that?
So there's, um, so HeartMath isan organization, right?
I'm, I'm sure many people, um,listening will be familiar with
them.
But they're the global leaderswhen it comes to the science of
psychophysiology.
And so they have, um,technology, they have
magnetometers around the worldthat literally is, is measuring

(43:36):
the TIC field around thisplanet.
And so not only so they're,they're measuring the field.
Energy of the planet.
And at the same time, we can useour cell phones as real time
individual biofeedback tools.
So as you practice and you, andyou cultivate wellbeing, you're

(43:56):
also measuring how muchcoherence that you're feeding
the field environment.
So on an individual level, wecan now measure how much energy
that we as individuals arefeeding the field.
And these global magnetometers.
On the other end of the spectrumis looking at, well how, what
about the energy around thisplanet?

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And it turns out that when wecultivate this state of
coherence, our heart ratevariability patterns are
identical with the fluctuationsof the mimetic field of this
planet.
We have a inner, you know, ourresonant frequency, if you wanna
think of it that way.
Our resonant frequency, which isknown in the literature and in

(44:39):
the research to show that.
This actually supports ourphysical, mental, and emotional
wellbeing.
It just so happens to overlapwith the inherent frequency of
the first tic field line of thisplanet.
So from that perspective, we canbegin to measure the heart
coherence and that heartbeat ofa global community, however.

(45:03):
So would it, oh, go ahead.
Didn't interrupt.
Yeah.
Well, I was just gonna say thenthere's another level that's
being measured, and this is theGlobal Conscious Project and the
Global Conscious Project, whichwas started um, by a gentleman,
a Dr.
Roger Nelson at PrincetonUniversity, who's now retired
and he's handed it off toHeartMath.

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So Dr.
Roland McCrady is, is now thelead scientist.
So now they're studying throughrandom event generators, which
are like little mini computersthat are spinning out one and
zero, you know, like multipletimes a second.
And it's a 50 50 chance, it's aone or a zero, and it's
literally the result ofmeasuring the energy of

(45:47):
electrons in the quantum field.
So it's fluctuations that arerandom events, and they've
noticed that when you place yourawareness.
Your intention on one of theseevent generators, your thoughts,
your intention has an impact onthe output of these devices.
So now there's, today there'sthousands of these random event

(46:10):
generators scattered around thisplanet, and all of these ones
and zeros are being funneledback into a central database.
And when you look at it in anygiven moment, you, you just, you
look at it and it's all noise.
'cause not no one generator isconnected to another.
So it's just all, you know,everyone's flipping coins, you
know, around the planet.
However, when there's moments intime, when you know groups of

(46:34):
people are focused at the sametime, with the same thought,
with an emotional charge, all ofthose event generators are not
random anymore.
They're synchronized, they'reall ones or they're all zeros.
And so now we can measure howour collective consciousness is
having an impact and it'smeasurably impacting our

(46:58):
physical world.
And this isn't just, you know,and as like, oh wow, this is
interesting, but you know,what's, what's, what are the
implications involved?
Is there any real world impact?
And it turns out absolutelythere is.
If we go back, you know, fordecades there've been people
academically studying the, uh,collective intention.

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And, you know, one example Ilove to use is, uh, Dr.
Charles Alexander, a Harvardpsychologist during the 1980s,
him and his colleagues, theyhypothesized that if you come
together and you meditatecollectively with an intention,
you create coherence that wecould measurably, you know,
reduce conflict and.

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During the Lebanese Civil War,they actually saw a direct
impact of these, thesecollective, you know, these,
these groups meditating togetherthat reduced, um, you know,
fatality rates during thesemoments of coherence.
I mean, up to, you know, 71%.

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And, and, you know, uh, injurieswere reduced.
Uh, you know, I think like up tolike, you know, uh, 64%.
I mean, it's just these aren'tslim margins.
And these results were, thesewere peer reviewed results
published in Yale's reputableJournal of Conflict Resolution.
So.

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For decades we've been ident,you know, studying the power of
intention.
But to your point, it was so woowoo, nobody would dare, nobody
in the scientific communitywould dare talk about, you know,
this and be taken seriously.
But I think now because of thequantum physics that people are
being to appreciate and becauseof the 2022 Nobel Prize, I think
it's time that we re, you know,we reexamine with new eyes, with

(48:47):
an open mind to say, perhapsit's not such a phenomenon that
this actually occurs.
Perhaps the bigger phenomenon isthat we're not actually
leveraging and, and using thispower of the collective
intention for good on thisplanet.
Wow.
I have so many questions becausebasically were you describing

(49:07):
like the quantum field?
Is that what you're describing?
With the measuring, because I, Ineed you to break it down for me
a little bit.
Okay.
So they have the generators.
Where are those, are those inthe atmosphere?
Are they on the ground where,how does, they're on the,
they're on the grant.
In fact, I have one, so, oh,what there's, yeah, there's
global, like citizen scientiststhey call it.

(49:30):
So anybody could actually callup or go on HeartMath website
and you could sign up, um, youreceive one of these random
event generators.
I have one in my closet and it'sjust generating, constantly,
generating data.
Okay.
And all of that data is, soit's, it's measuring the
coherence here in my immediateenvironment.

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And at the same time, it's beingcollected into a global pool of
data from all the other eventgenerators, which is now, you
know, measuring the globallevel.
Of, of coherence.
I see.
And so how is it measuring you?
Is it when you're near it, is ityour heart rate variability
tracker?

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Well, that, that's, I mean, thisis what's now being delineated.
Okay.
In science, because the quantumfield is non-local.
So if you, if we, if we were tolook at field environments Yeah.
We can kind of, you know, I liketo break it down to, into two
buckets.
You have the local and thenon-local.
So locals, you know, prettyinherent, you know, intuitive,

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you know, if you're with apatient, the energy and the
gratitude that you'reexperiencing emotionally is
radiating a, a particularfrequency of heart rate
variability.
And that's being radiated outthrough your biotic field,
interacting with anotherperson's field and their heart.
And so very local.
Okay.
So the one we were talking aboutbefore, like the four feet.

(50:57):
Okay, okay.
Gotcha.
On that.
So that's, that's, you know,local.
But then there's the non-localperspective.
You know, I mean, when you thinkof times, many people have
experiences where you'rethinking of somebody that you
haven't spoken to in a longtime, then boom, they call.
Yeah.
You know, there's somethingnon-local taking place, meaning

(51:17):
that there's information in theenvironment, the universe,
whatever you want to call it,and you're connected to it.
You have access to thatinformation.
And Dr.
McCrady, if you look at some ofhis work, it, it's, it's
incredible.
Like he actually has shown inhis work how the heart accesses
information before it occurs.

(51:41):
Our perceived moment of realtime, like the heart is
responding to an, to an eventthat's about to happen, you
know, let's say four to sixseconds in advance.
And other people's research haveshown that the more attuned you
are to your body's sensations,the more intuitive you are,

(52:02):
right?
Yes.
So we're starting to put thepieces together, how our hearts
and our body are like receivers.
We are engaging, we are part ofa, we're emerging from a
non-local field of information.
And so we can learn to accessthis information.
Um, how it specifically happens,I think we're still playing

(52:27):
around looking at it and tryingto identify specific causes, but
I think, um, you know, it.
There's multiple ways, there'smultiple things happening all at
once.
But it, it is very exciting.
Oh my gosh.
So exciting.
So exciting.
You broke it down for me.
'cause quantum physics hasalways been like so fascinating
and just thinking about tappinginto that field and, you know,

(52:49):
understanding manifestation andhow it's not woo woo because
you're literally tapping into acollective consciousness and
having things, you know, havinga certain mindset about
something too can also make itmanifest in life as well because
you're putting it out into thecollective consciousness for
that to happen.
And I know that some peoplethink that's woo, but it's.

(53:11):
I've dismissed this stuff as wooin the past because it sounded
so cool.
I wanted so badly to believe itthat it was just easier to
reject it.
'cause I was like, there's noway, there's no way this is
happening.
But the quantum healing, that'swhere we're headed in, in
medicine.
And, and I think it's, it's alsofunny too, I don't understand

(53:32):
how the quantum physics andeverything interacts, but if you
think about it, we literally canaccess people from around the
world within seconds on ouriPhones.
But yet we don't wanna believethat we are tapped into this
greater consciousness of of, ofhow it all works.
I'm like, if we look down, we'reliterally, you and I are
talking, you're in Canada, I'min Texas.
I mean the fact that we havethese things, we have

(53:55):
self-driving cars now.
I don't know if you're havingthem in Canada, but we're having
'em here in Austin and it'shere.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's whetherwe wanna accept this as
practitioners or not, becausethe sooner the earlier adapters,
the more we can get earlieradapters, the more we can
collectively move ourconsciousness to rise up in a

(54:16):
way where we don't have to livein this fear.
We don't have to live in thischaotic state that the rest of
the world seems to be inconstantly, and social media
perpetuates that.
But social media can also be abeautiful thing and, and provide
resources so people like you andI can spread the word, um, about
what we're discussing here, butit's, I believe so much of it is

(54:40):
discernment too, of like what tolisten to and, and guidance on
where do I wanna put my time andeffort and, and what, what is
most of my day doing?
Am I scrolling social media oram I connecting with people I
love?
Or am I tapping into myintuition?
I like to think of, um.

(55:01):
Like for me, when I'm sittingand wanting to do work stuff and
be creative, I literally have tosit when I'm just trying to get
it done.
I don't, I don't get shit done.
I have to sit and, and groundmyself so my body feels like
it's safe so I can download themessages coming in.
And so that way what comes out,it's really fascinating'cause
then you see it hit on socialmedia and you see it just

(55:23):
connect.
And I, my mind's just been kindof blown understanding how to
tap into that.
'cause stuff will just hit andI'm like, oh, that just came to
me.
That wasn't something that wasso hard to get out.
It was, it was easy.
Yeah.
It was almost like it was al itwas always there.

(55:43):
Yes.
How do we quiet the mind?
I mean, the mind, the brain isreally, I look at it as it is.
It's, it's just, uh, computinginformation.
And, and the, the, theinformation that I is, it's,
it's consciousness.
It's all, it's everywhere.
It, it's part of the whole.
And we just learn how toreceive.

(56:05):
You know, Einstein said, look, Iequals mc squared.
I didn't make that up.
That's not a manmade idea.
You know, thought this is auniversal truth.
And I just learned how to quietmy mind to become aware of that
truth.
And every single genius fromNicole at Tesla, Buckminster
full, like all of the geniusesin the world, they all come to

(56:27):
the same conclusion.
That they're just simply achannel.
They're just simply rece areceiver.
And so, to your point, you know,if we try so hard with, you
know, to like, I gotta get thisdone.
I gotta write, I, you know, it'slike my brain.
I'm using my brain.
It doesn't come from the brain.
Um mm-hmm.
It, it comes from the heart, itcomes from the consciousness of

(56:48):
the whole.
And I just also wanna just sharethat.
For those listening, like beclear.
Uh, you know, before my surgery,I would be the last person you'd
expect having this conversationwith you.
Same.
I I was not that guy.
Yeah.
Not that guy.
And, and to, and I was just, it,to me it was all bullshit.

(57:12):
Meditation, bullshit.
But, you know, experiencing it,you know, look from, from a
scientific perspective,examining the science, but then
from my own personal journey,it's like I feel like there's, I
have a duty.
Like I, you know, and, and toshare this and to share if I
could just, even if I can changeone person to see energy from
this viewpoint, because it, it,it's so empowering.

(57:37):
It, it, it will change people'slives.
It's inevitable.
And, um, you know, I think, Ithink people are coming to this
conclusion on their own.
And I feel that we're now.
Either getting to that point orwe've already crossed a
threshold where there's enoughpeople on this planet that have
already are now tuned in.

(58:00):
So that what we need today is aplatform so that when we
practice for ourselves, we'realso practicing for the love of
common humanity and it'smeasurable so we can witness it.
And I believe through the arts,and this is, you know, part of
the work that we do is byinfusing this education and this

(58:22):
moment of transformation withthe arts, so that we can
document, we can archive, sharethe stories that are
transforming our globalperspective, we can spark a
Renaissance approach to change.
Make it tangible.
We can capture the en energy,amplify it, make it more visible

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and tangible.
I think this will break barriersand start building those bridges
in our ca on campuses and in ourcommunities that will change our
global, you know, our, ourtrajectory.
Yeah, I love it.
I love all of it because likeyou said, I mean, I feel like
I'm a messenger.
I've just felt called tosomething big my whole life, and

(59:05):
I've never really known what itwas.
It just, it just always was inthere and cancer seemed like my
body failing me, but it waswaking me up in a way that I'm
so thankful to have this outlookfrom the age of 33.
Um, and I'm almost 39 now, andit's just, I'm just so, so
thankful for it because.

(59:25):
It's a message that I just, Ican't hold in anymore.
I, it's not about me, it's aboutgetting people to understand it.
If I need to be criticized in myfield for a bit until people
start awakening to this, then sobe it.
Um, I'm ready for it.
I've had to do enough work torealize that, but I, I, this is
where we're headed, wherethere's just no way.

(59:46):
We're not, there's so much painin the day-to-day world that if
we're not awakening to, ifyou're sitting there being like,
what is the point of life?
There has to be more than this.
It's because your body does notlike the environment that you're
in.
It wants you to expand.
It wants you to see somethingbigger.
Like what are the things you'vedreamed about?
Or we don't even daydreamanymore.

(01:00:08):
You know, like expand big, like,think massive, not just this,
this, oh, I wanna just get mynext job.
Promotion.
No, I mean, what is your dreamlife like, how do you wanna show
up?
What is it that you would liketo see in this world?
And when you can do that, Imean, your life changes.
I mean, sure.
There are days where I drop backin and I kind of lose, lose that

(01:00:30):
like a few days ago I wasfeeling that way.
And then, you know, kind ofcoming back and meeting people
like yourself, um, it fires meback up.
'cause I'm like, oh shit.
Like this is it, you know?
This is what we're doing.
And, and it's, it's here.
And like you were saying, I wasthe last person to be talking
about stuff like this.
I think deep down I alwayswanted to be an inner hippie.

(01:00:52):
I didn't know how to, how to tapinto it, but I like having the
science with it.
Yeah.
Uh, because it's, it's sobeautiful.
All of this and, and.
If people can realize thatsometimes our body is sending us
messages and we think it'sagainst us, it's saying
something, there's something inthe, in, in your current

(01:01:15):
environment or life in myexperience that I've seen, is
your soul's not aligning withwhere your body's at.
Mm-hmm.
And your inner soul, yourintuition, you know, there's
something there.
Right.
And this is the people, I'd sayit's, you know, for the, maybe
people that are dealing withchronic health issues and
there's no answers or nobody canfigure out why kind of thing.

(01:01:36):
That's the way that I look at itis, well, we still address the
physical body, right?
But like, what else?
What caused us to be in thissituation in the first place?
What dysregulation in our bodylimited our lymphatic system
and, and lymph nodes fromkilling off these diseases?
Right?
There was some point ofdysregulation that caused our
body to kind of flip.

(01:01:57):
I.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I, you know, going back to,you know, thinking big, I, I,
and I'll very often, you know,we, we talk about identifying
our own personal sense of sacredpurpose.
Like we are all designed forgreatness.
Every human being, like we havesuch an intelligence within each

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and every one of us.
I believe it's a matter of howmuch can we nurture each
individual and the physical, themental, the emotional, and the
spiritual realm so that we canhelp unlock the potential that
resides within each of us.
And, you know, understandingthat everyone has a gift.

(01:02:41):
Everybody has a, a, a purpose.
And I think when you find yourpurpose and you can weave in
passion, I think it, it's the,the ingredients for success Now.
To your point, you had talkedabout, you know, our, our, our
social infrastructure, alludingto how our communities are

(01:03:02):
designed in a way, it's like adoggy dog, like mm-hmm.
It's designed on like a monopolygame.
Mm-hmm.
And many, you know, I, you know,I taught, I like to share, like,
it feels to me, it's like, well,there's only a few players that
seem to hold all the power.
Yeah.
They own, they own all theassets and, and really it's like
a stale, it's like a rigged gameat this point.
And so here we are, like an oldshoe.

(01:03:24):
It doesn't fit.
We're so focused on survival.
It doesn't allow us to recognizeour true potential.
It doesn't allow us to nurtureourselves and to help nurture
other people when it's me, me,me, you know, and, and sometimes
look, it's, this is again, asurvival consciousness, you

(01:03:45):
know, and I don't, you know, notto blame it.
It's not about blaming orshaming.
This is just like a reality thatwe're been thrown into.
We've been born into this oldsystem.
But again, the moment werecognize a truth, the moment we
recognize that we're bigger thanwhat we used, think of ourselves
as is that the old stories justdon't apply anymore.

(01:04:08):
What do we do now?
Here we are sitting in an a, anold system that doesn't fit.
It doesn't allow us to feelalive.
It even prevents us fromdreaming, I mean, without
dreaming As, as we talked about,Einstein said that a dream, that
imagination is core tointelligence.
It is core to creation.

(01:04:30):
So it it's stifling us.
It's choking us.
And you know, I I what I, what Isee in the very near future is
that as we begin to witness thisglobal heartbeat, you can check
out global heart sync.org.
We're starting to measure it.
We we're, we're, we're turningcollective coherence into

(01:04:53):
sponsorship so that we canprovide mental health and
resilience and communities inneed.
As we begin to shift theconversation, we can begin to
celebrate the recognition of, ofwholeness on a, on a global
scale.
But when you use music and art,it creates not only a
celebration, but it helps usidentify how we can create new

(01:05:19):
systems, new community health,infrastructure, um, new ways to
engage with each other.
In a way that looks verydifferent than today.
Right now we're like, you know,eight, it's like a slave driven
model.
Everyone's burned out.
Mm-hmm.
There's no balance, work-lifebalance.

(01:05:40):
And that's not, that's not theway that we're designed to be.
Mm-hmm.
And there's no reason why wehave to be like this.
There's no reason why there'smore than enough people on this
planet to create systems thatare more aligned, that, that
allow us to thrive, that allowus to flourish and allow us to

(01:06:00):
live life through passion and asense of purpose.
There's no point.
The only my belief system isthat right now that, you know,
the very few players that owneverything hold all the power.
Well, nobody wants to give upthat power.
Everybody wants, everyone wantsto control These people want
that hold and they want to, tomanipulate.

(01:06:23):
Stories they wanna manipulatethe and, and the social
conditioning that's involved andin the media.
And I think now people areawakening to it.
And it's just an, it's like atransformation, a caterpillar to
butterfly where collectivelywe're emerging.
Now, you know, people areindividually finding their wings
staring to emerge in the world.

(01:06:43):
And I, and I think as we do thistogether, particularly through a
platform that can witness anemergence of a global heartbeat,
it's inevitable.
An old system is slowly going towither away.
It's gonna change, but a newsystem is gonna emerge.
And again, you know, using artthat helps people identify

(01:07:06):
systems of energy of the naturalworld, when you use that as your
blueprint to create new systemsand new workflows, uh.
That's more conducive to ourtrue nature.
Now you're talking about asystem designed to thrive and a
system that is designed tosupport you in a way that you

(01:07:27):
need to be supported.
I love that because I mean,it's, it's so easy if we're on
social media, we're not tappinginto our intellect.
We're going to work, chugging abunch of coffee, sitting at our
computer all day, not gettingup, not moving.
Come home, watch tv, go to bed,repeat.
There is no time for ourintellect to come in.

(01:07:48):
There's no capabilities for thedownloads to happen.
And, and people are starting torealize, I think there's a lot
of golden handcuffs happening.
Es especially with some of theclients that I treat, is that
it's hard to walk away becausethe money's so good.
But, you know, if we look atwealth, it's not just money,
it's time.
It's ener, you know, it's yourown energy, it's your health,

(01:08:10):
it's your relationships.
And you're starting to see theshift, even in the workplace.
I, I don't know the exactnumbers, but people are leaving
jobs not because of pay, butbecause of culture, but because
they don't feel like they'readding value to the, to
something bigger.
And, and you're seeing this inlike really shitty, you know,
experiences when you go torestaurant, like, not

(01:08:31):
restaurants, but just likebusinesses, like people aren't,
they're not passionate about it.
So you're gonna get shit.
Service.
And so you see people almoststarting businesses that they're
not passionate about, butthey're good at and, and then
they're making the money, butthen they're like, okay, you
know, that's a zone ofexcellence, I think, um, what
they call it.
And then the zone of genius iswhat you were just talking about

(01:08:52):
is like your creativity, likeyour intellect, like your inte,
it goes with the creativity andthen what you're good at and how
when those come together, it's,it's incredible.
We have so many people living intheir zone of gen excellence
where they're really good at it,but they're not passionate about
it and their soul's dyingbecause they're just, I mean,
not actually dying, but it'smore of Why am I not happy?

(01:09:16):
Well, we were told you, you growup, you get married, you have
kids, you have the white picketfence, you get this corporate
job, you have 401k, and thenyou, you retire and you die.
I mean, that's miserable.
I don't, I don't want that.
Like, yeah.
I mean, yeah.
You know, the, the idea ofliving a life of mediocracy.

(01:09:36):
You know, going, going throughthe motions.
And I think what you justdescribed speaks, you know,
speaks directly to what a lotof, um, health practitioners are
experiencing where they're justgoing through the motions, you
know?
Um, they're, they're pick,they're taking the paycheck.
And, and don't get me wrong,yes, you are helping people
along the way, but I see it moreas bandaid solutions that

(01:10:01):
creates a revolving door, and wejust can't keep up.
We can't keep up as apractitioner, you know, given
the degree of burnout.
Um, and we can't keep up our,our infrastructure, our
healthcare system, I hate to sayit.
Mm-hmm.
It, it, it can't, it cannotsustain itself.
It cannot support the growingnumbers and the needs because it

(01:10:23):
was just such a reactive system.
And we're stuck in that, youknow, that hamster wheel, we're
just stuck.
And, um, yeah, well I think somany people in the states are
like, oh, it's just UShealthcare.
I'm like, no, this is global.
Like, there's no country thathas it figured out, you know,
and we all have our strugglesand, and it's what you're

(01:10:47):
basically, you know, what wewere just talking about is just,
we're alluding to the fact thatthe old world and the old
systems are dying and peoplethat benefited from those
systems are fighting.
Tooth and nail to keep themalive, right?
The greed, the power, thecontrol, all of the things.
When as we rise up in ourcollective consciousness, those

(01:11:10):
people lose their power becausewe're not giving them their
power anymore.
You know?
And you're seeing this incertain industries or people are
stopping to buy products'causethey're like, oh, well I'm not
gonna do that.
And you see their stocks dropand then people are like, oh
wow.
Actually, yeah, people arepowerful.
'cause if you think about the,you know, maybe a hundred people
that control the world, I mean,how many of people are there?

(01:11:33):
So if we collectively didn'tgive them their power, right?
And we found our own, there's,there's so much beauty in that
and, and I think it's just kindof, for me, it's observing from
it and be like, okay, I see theold world dying off.
And with that there's gonna beresistance.
But as we all collectively riseup, you know, that's gonna be a
beautiful shift.

(01:11:53):
And who knows how long that willtake.
But I do think it's gonna be inmy lifetime.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And the more that wecollectively bring awareness to
this, and even if you'relistening to this, you're like,
I don't know what they're sayinghalf the time, that's okay.
Just know that you have a choiceof the way you look at your life
and the, and you have this deepintellect that you may have not

(01:12:14):
even tapped into, and you havegifts just because somebody else
might be doing something.
It's not your voice, it's nothow it's coming from you.
Right?
We need more people out therestarting businesses or being in
the community that are goodhearted people that are giving,
that are wanting to still, youknow.
Still make an impact whilemaking a really good living.

(01:12:36):
It's, it's totally possible.
Absolutely.
And there's so many good peoplethat are staying small because,
oh, I, you know, I can't, orthis, or that.
I'm like, well, the, the shittypeople, they're doing it.
So, yeah.
So what you do Yeah.
And you know it when you, whenyou frame it from a, from a
perspective of where we aretoday.

(01:12:56):
Mm-hmm.
I mean, here we are.
We've got artificialintelligence online, radically
changing our world.
We have technology that'salready insane and is only gonna
get exponentially more insanewith ai.
Um, we have the tools and wehave now this knowledge, right?
The, the 2022 Nobel Prize.
It's the game changer, right?

(01:13:18):
That, that it's, it's not aboutyou versus me, it's an us.
It's a we.
So when you start combining thetools with the knowledge, and
you have a generation of youth.
That have been born into thisage of technology that do not
feel like they are, they're,they're confined or constrained

(01:13:39):
by the container of, of, of thissocial infrastructure that
they've been born into.
They, they believe in change.
They're, they believe that, youknow, one app can change an
entire industry.
You know, that you, so theybegin to understand that they
have all the power and they arethe global purchasing power.

(01:14:02):
And the brands all depend onthis on, on the, on this group.
So as we begin having theseconversations and as, and as
many people are, and as we beginto better understand, you know,
a, a, a deeper reality that is,that we're just currently

(01:14:24):
blinded by because of theperceived.
You know, perception, the, theperception of, of how we see
ourselves as separate beings.
But when we begin to betterunderstand ourselves, this
generation is not beholden to,to what we are living today.
And this is where things getvery exciting because one app,

(01:14:45):
you know, a bit of technologyand we can create completely
different social infrastructuresystems.
There's nothing holding us back.
And the youth, it's, it's in thepower, uh, in the hands of the
youth.
Now, one of the, one of theissues that we have to address.
Is the mental health epidemicthat youth are experiencing.

(01:15:08):
And again, this comes down tounderstanding the heart,
understanding, coherence,claiming interagency, and
shifting that people can riseabove, can address their own
health, physically, mentally,emotionally.
And through that, there's alsoan expansion of awareness and
connection and compassion, andthat this is where innovation

(01:15:30):
and creativity comes from.
So these are the tools that willallow people that, particularly
they use to say, look, let's,let's create a new future.
There's no point in, inperpetuating an old system that,
that ultimately is making ussick.
Totally.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's, it's making ussick.
And, and it's, I love thisconversation because it's

(01:15:52):
giving, it's gonna give peoplehope Right now.
So many people are hopeless.
With what's happening in theworld.
And I see opportunity, I see, Isee shifting happen, and you
have to pull yourself out andalmost look at it from like a
five D perspective.
So you're not like in yourself,you're just looking above,
observe as if you're watching amovie.
Right.
You know, like something's gonnashift with, with a lot of pain

(01:16:14):
and change.
There's gonna be an upshift tothis as well.
And I am, I'm just excited to bea part of it all.
And, um, thank you so much forcoming on today.
Would you like to tell everyonehow they can learn about your
programs and, and how they canreach you?
Yeah.
Sure.
Well, you can more than happyto, to, um, visit our website.

(01:16:36):
So NextGen Health Solutions and,um, this not-for-profit
initiative, the global heartsync.org, this is where we are
starting to share with people,um, the power of the heart, how
to practice providing peoplewith the tools.
And as you practice for your ownself, you can now practice for

(01:16:59):
the common humanity where we areliterally translating coherence
points into corporatesponsorships so that we can
provide mental health into localcommunities and just continue
raising the coherence forindividuals, their communities,
and the world.
So I encourage everyone to checkit out, join and just begin

(01:17:20):
tapping into the power of yourheart.
I love that.
Well, thank you so much.
It was such an awesomeconversation.
I'm excited to share this witheveryone.
Amazing.
Thank you so much.
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