Episode 55: Our Body Talks: How to Listen using NLP with Jeremiah Rangel

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Hello everyone.
Welcome back to TMI talk withDr.
Mary.
I'm your host, Dr.
Mary.
In this episode today, I amjoined by Jeremiah Wrangle.
We break down emotionalpatterns, trauma and survival
strategies that get stored inthe body, and how most people
are unconsciously running theirlives from old programming and
they don't even know it.

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A little bit about Jeremiah.
Jeremiah is a.
Master life and business coachwith over 26 years, he has
successfully helped 7,000clients connecting them to their
internal guidance, divineconnection, and deeper
understanding of how their mindpsychologically impacts health,
wellness, and success in life.
His specific S skillset comesfrom an extensive background of

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traveling the world to gathertools, techniques, and
strategies that profoundly helpto heal chronic illness in a
holistic way.
When a person has triedeverything to heal, but nothing
has worked for them, that's whenthey find Jeremiah to do the
deep, inner, spiritual andpsychological work that rescues
the younger parts of themselvesthat are demanding attention

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through physical ailments thatare stuck in the past.
What you'll learn from thisepisode is pretty insightful.
We're gonna be talking abouthow, um.
The body stores emotional andsubconscious patterns.
While your nervous system mightbe the driver behind your
behavior, even when your braindisagrees what NLP is and how it

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helps rewire limiting beliefs,why some people stay stuck in
that survival mode.
And it doesn't matter how hardthey try, they still stay stuck
in it.
How to spot when somebody oryourself is living in living in
a old subconscious programming.
Why regulation and safety arethe foundations of real change.

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How to create alignment betweenyour body, mind, and future
self.
And finally, practical ways tostart listening to what your
body has been trying to tellyou.
Without further ado, we willjump into the next episode zone.
Welcome back to TMI talk withDr.
Mary where we dive intonon-traditional forms of health
that were once labeled as tabooor dismissed as Woo.

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I'm your host, Dr.
Mary.
I'm an orthopedic and pelvicfloor physical therapist who
helps health.
Movement and rehab professionalsintegrate whole body healing by
blending the nervous system intotraditional biomechanics to
maximize patient outcomes.
I use a non-traditional approachthat has helped thousands of
people address the deeper rootsof health that often get

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overlooked in conventionalwestern training.
And now we are gonna be startingour next episode.
Well thank you for being here,Jeremiah.
I'm excited to chat with you.
I'm excited to be here.
Yeah, we're gonna nerd out onsome.
So a lot of different things.
So excited about it.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So let's go ahead and dive rightin.
Can you explain what NLP is forpeople that have never heard of

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it before?
Absolutely.
So I'm gonna try to do it assuccinct as possible.
So, traditionally, NLP standsfor neurolinguistic programming
and so.
Um, neuro is like the, theneurons of the brain, but
basically like pretty mucheverybody's seen like scientific
where they hook up likeelectrodes to the brain and they
see if they have certain angerresponses.

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There actually is like a patternthat fires like biologically.
So through language and throughcommunication, we actually can
redirect like a pattern.
If anybody gets triggered, so tospeak, there's some sort of
stimulus, someone says or doessomething, and then all these
things happen and the personbehaves in a specific way.
So basically NLP neurolinguisticprogramming can reprogram the

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person's response.
It's not exactly like, oh, wesaw the trace go here and we're
gonna move it there.
It does actually go to adifferent place, but.
Um, this started in like thelate 1980s, but it's evolved
since then to like neuro, when Istarted learning, it was called
neurolinguistic psychology.
Mm.
Which is a group of, likepsychologists, psychotherapists,

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went and studied this, I call itGeneration one NLP, um, where
they had no really psychologicalbackgrounds.
Two, two gentlemen.
One was a, a mathematician.
One was a professor oflinguistics, the University of
Santa Cruz.
They basically nerded out.
They got together and they said,um, they started to like study

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with three of the most profound,uh, psychologist psychotherapist
in the world.
And there was like MiltonErickson.
He brought hypnotherapy to themainstream.
And he did it conversationally.
It's not a classicalhypnotherapy how people think
like you're getting sleepy andYeah, they could that, yeah, the
little d Yeah, which is calledauthoritarian hypnotherapy,
which is basically tellingpeople, but the majority of

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people don't like being toldwhat to do, so it doesn't really
work well.
Um, but he actually did itthrough conversation.
It was more like it waspermissive.
He's like, you may or may not beexperiencing a sense of
relaxation now, but on a deeperlevel.
So he would just kind of startspeaking and people would
transform.
But he had a psychologybackground.
So these two gentlemen went andactually they said, basically

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say, how do you get all theseresults with people?
And he, Milton Anderson waslike, I don't know.
And they basically said, can welike sit in and document?
And they said, sure.
And then they did, and they cametogether.
Were like, here's the patternsof what you did.
Then they started to repeat thestructure of patterns of what he
did, and it started to produceresults.
I.
Oh, wow.
And they studied with two otherpeople.

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One was Fritz Pearls who, uh,brought Geal therapy.
So there's just different, likemost people that are a
psychologist psychotherapist,they, they go to college and
they study from people who wrotea book or learned from other
people.
Well, the people that actuallydid produce results, that's who
this NLP was studied after.

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And so there was just like,instead of putting labels on
people, it's actually morehelping people put the, take the
labels that they already put onthem.
So that's where the NLP camefrom.
And then where I learned it wasfrom this group of psychologists
and psychotherapists that wentand studied this thing that's
not technically psychology, eventhough psychology is a study of
the mind.
So it is psychology, and theylearned from people who are

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getting tremendous results thatwere healing, upgrading, solving
problems that a lot of people inpsychology couldn't, or, uh,
Western Medicine couldn't.
And so they, these therapistslearned from them and they said,
okay, well, there's.
It's these, on some level, I'mgoing high level, but these guys
are kind of treated, it's moredisconnected masculine energy.
So they're just kind of liketreating people.

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The mind is the most advancedsupercomputer that ever existed,
but they're treating people likecomputers, like just do this,
this, this, this.
So these therapists andpsychologists like said, we're
gonna put some traditionalpsychological principles.
Not the labeling, thediagnosing, but like the
hierarchy of needs is really,really important.
There's just certain fundamentalthings with psychology.
The difference between theunconscious and conscious mind,

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those are really important toknow.
So they started to add.
It created humanisticneurolinguistic psychology,
which is these transformationaltools and techniques that came
from psychologists and then theyadded some other things.
So it's more soft, a little bitmore heart-based.
I love that because I feel likein western medicine so much is
telling people what to do.

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Yeah.
Versus having a conversation andgetting them to almost realize
versus,'cause you, like I said,I don't know anybody that's
actually likes to be told whatto do, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, if you tell somebodywhat to do, at least in my
experience, they just kind oflike, you know, resist.
Resist.
Yeah.
And also in the way you say ittoo, you know, people can ask
for advice and guidance that'sdifferent.

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But where I have actually seenfrom a physical therapy
standpoint, people don't dotheir home exercises.
Like they just don't do them.
And, and, but yet we keepprescribing them, like across
the board as if.
That's it.
And then we're not questioning,well, why aren't they doing
them?
Like this isn't just, I can tellyou why.
Well, yeah, I'd love to jump inthere for a second.

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Um, but yeah, so it's, so then Istarted realizing in my
experience, and I'd love to hearwhat you have to say about it
mm-hmm.
Is if we have to teach thepeople about the body first and
explain to them so they canvisualize why it's happening, so
then they're likely to do it.
Mm-hmm.
Because there's some, somemechanical, some mental block
that's limiting them.

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And I'm excited to hear what youhave to say, but in my
experience, if I teach somebodyabout their body and show them
how to move and have them reallyfeel it in their body, that is
what takes'em to the next level.
Mm-hmm.
Not these thoracic rotationexercises three times a day.
Mm-hmm.
Forever.
Right.
Because I've, I've never seenanybody continuously do them
forever, but when you teach themmovement and you teach them how

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to be in their body, that's beena game changer.
But I'd love to hear what, whyyou.
Why you see people not doingtheir exercises.
So if you think of a, per thegeneral population, so most
people, they walk around, um,and they're not injured, so to
speak.
And so what I've learned fromyears of being a corrective
exercise core specialist, likeI, I've put movement down into,

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there's five differentcategories.
So there's the lowest one'scalled occupational therapy.
Somebody gets in a huge like caraccident wreck, you know,
quadriplegic, try to have thebrain through the nervous
system, try to like get the toesto moving.
So basically it's like you gottalearn how to essentially learn
how to walk again.
Then there's physical therapy,which is the next level up,
which is not the whole body orhalf the body, it's isolated.

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It could be a knee, it could bea shoulder, it could be, you
know, it's just, I'm just, youknow, speaking generalizations,
but it's more isolated.
Where it's kind of like if, ifoccupational therapy is like,
kind of in a way, the whole bodyor just a lot of, most of the
body, this is more like thisknee, which is, or this hip,
which is a really big deal.
Um, then the next level up fromthat is what's, what I did was
corrective exercise.

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So basically you, you don't needphysical therapy or you're on
the board or a physical therapy,but you need to, like, certain
muscles are overworking, sothey're short and tight.
Other muscles, the opposite ofthe muscle is long and weak, so
we gotta correct that.
Once they do that, then it'scalled functional training.
She has multiple jointmovements, and then there's like
peak performance, like CrossFitand stuff like that.
So the general people, theydon't, it's not taught in

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school.
Oh yeah.
Not if there's a gym class,climb a rope or whatever.
Do jumping jacks.
But so most people from apsychological standpoint, they
don't have the file in theirmind, if you like, just like a
phone.
They don't have the app on theirphone.
So if a general physicaltherapist, so there's person
comes in, I have this injury, Idon't know what to do.
I am debilitated at some point,but I do need help.

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Okay.
So they make the appointment,they come in, and then if the,
the physical therapist has thesetechnological, uh, anatomical
words that the person has a filefor it, they don't fully
understand, like posterior, likeanterior pelvic tail, like, you
know, like quadratic limb.
I'm like all these differentthings.
Like what?
And so the more the physicaltherapist has words that they

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don't understand, they're,they're, they don't have that
file for it.
That's one thing.
Like from a comprehension level,the other one is.
People need attention.
Like people don't realizethere's three different kinds of
attention in life.
There's positive attention,which everybody ideally loves,
but not most people don't knowhow to get it.
Then there's negative attention,which is better than no

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attention.
Most people, like they wouldrather get negative attention
than no attention.
So when there's an injury, andsometimes from a spiritual or an
emotional level, the reason whypeople get injured is they
actually need to pay attention,but they can't solve it for
themselves.
So they're hoping to get apractitioner or whoever they're
helping to actually payattention to them now, if I, if

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I injure my knee and theuniverse brings us together and
you actually give me attention,that's great.
It's actually gonna start notonly healing this, but there's a
deeper emotional part too.
But if you say words, I don'tunderstand, okay.
That start, that's gonna, thatlowers my retention.
And then if you're like saying,let's do an anterior pelvic til,
like, I didn't know what thatwas before I knew what it was.

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But if, so, I want you to like,you know, lay on this bed and
then I want you, I'm gonna putmy hand on your low back.
And I want you just to squeeze,I want you to flatten out.
Try to like crush my fingers.
So say words that are simple,like don't, like, don't talk to.
When I talk to children, I don'ttalk to'em like, Hey, little
guy.
Hey little buddy.
And even if it's a baby, I just,I mean, if it's a real baby,

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that's fine.
But like a 2-year-old, I don'ttalk to two year olds, like two
year, like how most people talkto two year olds.
I talk to'em like a being that'stwo years old and I speak words
that they can understand.
And so I don't like, I'm gonnasimplify.
I don't like put a, like alimited frame on it.
Well, I did that with my clientstoo.
It's like, I know thesetechnical things.

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If I'm talking to MDs, if I'mtalking to physical therapists,
I'm gonna use the language like,we're gonna, you're getting a
rapport.
I'm not gonna do it with myclients unless they ask.
I don't give technical thingsunless my clients ask for that.
What's, what's the technicalword?
What does this muscle do?
Where's the insertion?
Where's the origin?
Like they don't really care.
They want the results.
So I try to simplify it.

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Use metaphors, visualization.
That's what gets people toanchor it in their mind.
Then they can do it.
I love because I love the wayyou articulated it.
'cause I, I feel like,'cause I.
I've noticed in the past fewyears as I've started more, not
just focusing just on homeexercises.
Yes, they can do these stretchesto do things to get in their
body, but teaching them how tomove and understand the why I

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feel has been such a gamechanger.
And then yeah, but it's nottaught in school how to break
stuff down.
So it's also hard for maybe anew grad to come out and they're
just trying to figure out how toeven, you know, just be a
physical therapist.
Mm-hmm.
Now you've got two languages tospeak.
Yep.
And if you've, if you're onlyused to speaking English Yep.

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Right.
Your, your linguistic brainisn't typically used to having
to break it up into twodifferent things.
And so I think, I think what itdoes is it causes, what I've
seen is almost causes a riftbecause you know, your bo if
your body language is off, ifthe tone of your voice and then
what you're saying too.
Right.
So I think energetically wedon't even realize that we're

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actually ruin.
Causing a lack of rapport whenwe're doing this.
Yeah.
And you know why, why?
Well, because you're taught,like, as a physical therapist,
you're taught like anatomicalthings and you're not taught how
to translate that to normalpeople.
Yeah, exactly.
I can say and talk to you aboutNLP, I can talk to you about
what a driver is, what a, well,I was gonna start to speak some

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neuromuscular adaptation, butthat's not it.
But I was gonna say, like, I cantalk to you what a driver is,
what a submodality is, what atransderivational search is, and
you're gonna be like, huh.
Yeah.
Because you haven't learnedthat.
And it, there's something that'sstrange in the collective
consciousness of adults wherethey feel it's usually around
like 35 or something.
But when adults get to a certainage, they think like, I'm at

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this age.
Why haven't I learned it yet?
Why haven't I learned some thisyet?
Why, why don't I know that?
And I, I say, how can you learnanything you have not yet
learned?
Like, you haven't gone throughthat yet, so I can say words
that you've never heard.
It would break rapport.
Yeah, exactly.
There's so much about how ourenergy is.
I, I say, I say, I've beensaying this a lot, it's just how

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our energies are firsttreatment.
Because if we break rapportimmediately and we're using
these big fancy words, well, howmuch of that is A, that we're
not taught?
But B, how much is ego beinglike, look at me with these big
words.
Yeah.
Um, and then C, it's like, thatdoesn't stick.
And I'm, I'm not gonna lie, likeI, my brain works in a different

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way.
I actually don't like to use thebig words first, even when I'm
learning.
You know?
I don't know if that's just howI am.
Mm-hmm.
Or being a DHD, I feel like alot of PTs tend to be a DHD too.
And I like to learn the conceptfirst.
Mm-hmm.
And then let's add those bigwords later, even from a.
Like a professional standpoint.
I'm like, yeah, let's break itdown.
Okay.
Well, I mean, yeah, some basicterms, but if we're using, if

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you're constantly like usingthese big terminologies with
people, even while they'relearning something new, as a
clinician, that doesn't meanthat clinician's not smart.
I thought that about me for along time'cause I was like, I
don't get these big concepts.
But then once I had'em brokendown mm-hmm.
You know, sometimes I'll even goon to chat GPT and be like,
explain this like I'm five.
Yeah.
And it, and it gives me themetaphors.

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Then I'm like, oh, okay.
Now I can add the big words andI can start understanding it
much better.
But I feel like there's just somuch of miscommunication just
because when we talk with peoplein their industries, you know,
and you see this in in the way,you can even see it on social
media when PTs are likeexplaining exercises.
I'm like, you have to usemetaphors like you're saying.

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Mm-hmm.
We have to use, teach them abouttheir bodies so they can
understand it or feel it intheir bodies.
One of my favorite things to dois kinda show.
Patients like, okay, well why isstanding upright helpful?
And then I will have them justgo ahead and bring their ribs
over their, well, before they doanything, I push on their
shoulders and I push down.

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I'm like, what do you feel withthat?
Do you feel strong?
And they're like, no, it feelslike a give.
And then I have them stack theirribs over their pelvis and get a
little bit more thoracicextension.
'cause most people are kind ofrounded like this.
Mm-hmm.
And I push down and they'relike, oh my gosh.
Wow.
Like, you know, rounded notkyphotic.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because like, what's that mean?
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah.
Rounded.

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So, so they're, they're more,um, up and then they could feel
that in their body.
Then they're like, oh, thatmakes sense.
And I say, you know, just noticeit.
Mm-hmm.
Sometimes you don't even have todo anything.
I just want you to startnoticing what your body's doing.
So yeah, just getting them to.
Notice it.
'cause that's the buy-in rightthere, you know?

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And'cause I, I, I sat andstarted thinking, I'm like, what
about,'cause when I firststarted as a pt, I, I couldn't
keep clients.
I didn't know how we, I didn't,wasn't taught on how to speak to
people.
Mm-hmm.
And so I was also in like a veryuncomfortable situation.
It was my first job and I was anew grad and I was asked to

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treat like four people at thesame time that I had never met.
Wow.
And I had to quit that jobpretty rapidly'cause I, I did
not feel comfortable.
So then that kind of traumatizedme for the next job.
So I really had to dive intothis and be like, how do I, how
do I do this?
How do I learn?
And honestly, I don't rememberexactly when or what I just
knew.
I told myself, I said, I'm gonnabe a good public speaker even

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though I hated public speakingand I'm gonna have such good
rapport with, with people that Imeet and I'm gonna be able to
talk to everybody.
But I don't know how to do thatyet.
Yeah.
But I am going to do it.
And it's just funny'cause.
That, just knowing that in yourbrain and saying that to
yourself and it just, it changeseverything.
Mm-hmm.
And that's like what's, oh,interesting.

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'cause you go to school, like PTschool to learn like how to do
these things.
You don't learn how to school.
Most colleges, they don't teachhow to be good teachers.
And to be a great leader or agreat ex, whatever profession it
is, you have to be a greatleader and you have to have
great communication skills.
But what I learned in school, oractually I learned from my,

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started doing my coachingtraining, it was an
international coaching school.
Um, I was 24 years old and I wassurrounded by, there was like 16
students.
It was a 14 month program.
It was like the neuro-linguisticpsychology, the beginner
advanced, there washypnotherapy, beginner advanced,
and certain like coachingprinciples was a whole like
therapeutic coaching program.
And half the students, eightstudents had their PhD or

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masters or PhDs in psychology.
And I'm like, I haven't even hadtaken maybe like a semester in
psychology at the time.
I was actually going through itat the same time.
Mm-hmm.
And I asked'em like, why are youlike, with all due respect, like
why are you guys here?
You have these.
Degrees of things on the wall.
They said, Jeremiah, they don'tteach you how to get to the root
cause of the client and actuallywhat to do when you get there.
They teach, they teach usFreudian theory, young in

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theory, all this stuff.
And they basically said, you'llfind your way, but they don't
actually teach that.
And then so I, I was like, theysaid I was at at Advantage.
I'm like, okay, I trust you.
And, and now looking back, Iwas, but I went through this
training and I found out thatthey don't teach how to learn in
school.
Oh yeah.
School doesn't teach how tolearn.
They say do this and repeat.
But actually, like what I'velearned in my training, there's

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actually like five differentlevels of learning.
There's like, it's calledunconscious incompetence.
Like you don't know what youdon't know.
Mm-hmm.
Which means you don't have afile for it in your mind.
I can say like to the averageperson, transverse adom.
What?
Like scaling's What?
They don't know what that isbecause it's not anchor.
They haven't learned it.
So everybody goes through this,this, this learning.

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You don't know what you don'tknow.
The second level is consciousincompetence.
Now you're aware that you didn'tknow this.
So that's like, it's stillignorant, like it's ignorance.
Now you have awareness, butyou're not good at it.
You have zero repetitions, sowhether it's speaking and you
fill in the blank, pt, anything,communication, then there's
things called consciouscompetence, which is practice.
That's X amount of repetitions.

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If you do it X, whatever theskill is, X amount of times
it'll become automatic.
We don't know what that is.
Could be tying your shoes.
It could be doing brain surgery.
There's X amount of repetitionswhere the, it just becomes a
habit, a pattern, unconsciouscompetence.
You can just do it withoutthinking.
Then there's consciousunconscious competence.
Basically you can teach it toother people.
So that's not a taught inschool.

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And then also, people are morevisual auditoria or kinesthetic
dominant learners.
And the majority of women on theplanet, not all majority of
women, or more than 50% of womenon the planet are visual
dominant learners.
The majority of men, not all,but more than 50% of men are
kinesthetic dominant learners.
Visual dominant learners like tosee things with their eyes or

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get a picture in their mindbefore they understand visual
dominant learners.
They're quicker learners, notnecessarily deeper.
They could be quick tounderstand or quick to judge.
That could be like a positive ornegative kinesthetic dominant
learners is we like to, we haveto actually, I'm a more
kinesthetic dominant learner,so.
I have to actually experienceit.
I have to actually get a feelfor it, which most PTs are and

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most.
Mm-hmm.
Like personal trainers, massagetherapists, more people that do
the body work, they're morekinesthetic dominant learners.
The issue that they don't teachin school is that, and this just
happens all the time, iswhatever your dominant learning
track is naturally, that's whatyou're gonna give to other
people.
So if you're a visual, you'regonna say things, visual
predicates, you're gonna likeshow people, and this goes to

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relationship love.
Language is like love.
It's like I'm showing you I loveyou.
It's like, but I don't feel it.
I love that.
And they miss the mark, whetherit's a love language or
communication track.
So school doesn't teach how tobe great learners, whether it's
college and this and that, orhow to learn.
So.
When PT is like, we actuallyteach people how to do that and
actually how to do it forthemselves and then for their

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clients is, you gotta understandwhat's your dominant learning
track too, but then who you'retalking to and you have to
deliver it in a way that worksfor them.
If you don't, it, it might notgo.
It's where you hear like, a lotof men and women relationships
are issues because the majorityof women are visual dominant
learners.
Like, I'm not seeing you loveme.

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And it's like, what do you meanI'm doing all these things for
you?
Yeah, they do, they do a lot ofthe primal things like, look, I,
I'm, I did stuff around thehouse, like I fixed the gate,
the fence.
It's like, and then the woman'slike, but I want to be touched
or talked to.
Mm-hmm.
Or attention.
And, and like, it's like, andboth of them you're speaking are
underdeveloped.
Yeah.
And they're, they're in love,but they don't know how to, not

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on the same page to speak.
Mm-hmm.
And it's so.
So it all comes down torelationships.
Yeah.
It all comes down tocommunication.
It all comes down tounderstanding the mind, how
people like, how you learn, howthey learn, how people work.
Then it's so easy.
I.
Yeah.
And then that's the basis ofdoing the deeper healing and the
deeper things that other peoplecan't figure out are a thousand

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teepees teepees, PTs work withthis one person and it doesn't
work.
And you could be the differencemaker by actually getting to the
root of it.
Because the majority of 80people, we talked about this
before, 80% of physical issuesor dis-ease is not physically
rooted.
It's physically manifesting,either comes from the
psychological, which is deeperthan the physical or the
spiritual or emotional, which isdeeper than the psychological.

(24:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, it's interesting becausein our clinic, you know, I've
noticed things like, we'll,we'll, we'll get referrals from
people and be like, sometimeswe're like their third, fourth
pt.
And you know, and I don't likeit from an ego perspective, like
from an ego perspective, it'slike, oh, okay.
But it's, it's, it's not aboutthe ego for me, it's about what
is going on.

(24:37):
Yeah.
Again, how am I different?
I'm not doing rocket science.
Like I'm literally just doing,I'm, I'm like looking at it from
like all angles.
I'm looking at this person as ahuman being with like a, a mind,
body and soul.
I'm talking to this person andletting them be a part of the
conversation.
So evidence-based medicine isthe patient, the practitioner's

(24:58):
experience and research, andwe're missing that.
I mean, we're not practicingevidence-based if we're not
including the patient in it orthe client.
And then also I, I didn't fallinto like the stereotypical be
so professional type thing.
I feel like the perf like thatalmost put like a a guard up

(25:20):
wall.
Yeah, a wall up where you can't,you can't be a certain way, you
can't be yourself because that'sunprofessional.
And I've always been silly andplayful.
Um, and so.
It.
I mean, obviously it depends.
And I, I try to meet the patientwhere they're at, like, and I
meet their tone kind ofnaturally.
Like if they come in and they'relike, talking like this, and I

(25:42):
come in and I'm like, Hey, like,da da, da da.
And they're like, they're stilllike this.
They're, yeah, they, they don'tknow why.
They probably don't know why,but I know that I've already
lost, I've lost that rapportright there.
And so, you know, I learnedearlier in my career some of
these skills mm-hmm.
That were never taught.
And um, and then I started,became fascinated with them and

(26:02):
just started studying them and,and just becoming obsessed.
And, and I realized like.
So much of what we do in ourclinic is we're meeting the
patient, where they're at, theclient, where they're at.
We're talking to them, they're apart of the conversation, and
we're teaching them about theirbodies and focusing on
empowering.
And if somebody's not gettingbetter the typical way, like the

(26:24):
PT world or like any healthcarepractitioner in general, um, it
tends to be like, if we don't dothis work, then our egos hit.
And then it's like, if, if I'mnot a good physical therapist,
then I'm not a good person.
I think there's like a directidentity, identity issue.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no,no.
You cannot.
Get somebody better and still bea good pt.
Mm-hmm.
Because it also depends on,first of all, maybe it's your

(26:47):
communication.
Maybe that patient's not readyto actually let, let go, let go
and get better.
Maybe they just wanna be toldwhat to do.
And the people that wanna betold what to do from a patient
standpoint, they don't getbetter because they don't wanna
learn.
They just wanna be told theymight get better for a little
bit, but it's until they wannatake the time to go in and
deeper.

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So that has nothing to do withthe clinician's experience.
I can be the best physicaltherapist in the world, but if
somebody doesn't wanna listenand their heart's blocked off
and their brain's blocked off,I'm, I can't, I can't help them.
And it goes back to the threethings I said.
There's positive, negative, andno attention.
Sometimes let's just, let's nottalk about the people who get

(27:28):
better.
Let's talk about the people whodon't get better.
The majority of time, if the PTdoesn't matter, if it's
chiropractor, pt, doctor, youname the profession.
If they can't.
You ever seen like IndianaJones, where I think it was like
some sort of skull.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like whatever that'scalled.
And he took like the bag ofwhatever coins of rocks and he
had to switch it really quick.
So the thing doesn't, you know,it didn't like blow up or

(27:50):
whatever.
It was like, it was like at atimer.
He had to like, oh,'cause so ifhe lifted up the skull, it would
do an alarm.
Yeah.
Okay.
And he had to keep the weight.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well it's kind of like that.
It's like if you're coming tome, if I'm the PT and you have
some sort of issue and you kindof put your hands out like this
for a second, so, so you're,you're, you're coming with your
pain, right?
Yeah.
But it's like, Hey, I'm gonnatake your pain away and you go

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like this because you'reactually unconsciously not gonna
do that because your pain hasgiving you attention.
Even if it's negative attention.
Even if we're here and you're inpain, I'm touching you still,
I'm actually caring for you.
Now if you get rid of that,where else are you gonna get
that in your life?
So the issue with the PTs or thepeople is that I.
You have to, there's a, thetechnique, it's called a six

(28:34):
step reframe that we teach toour students or professionals.
But basically there's a higherpositive intention behind every
behavior A human has everything.
So, like, for example, likeinjury, um, some people get
injured over and over and overagain.
Like why?
Why do people get in caraccidents over and over and over
again?
Why do people get in badrelationships over and over?

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Why do people repeat thesethings and other people don't?
Well, somewhere wired withintheir brain or their mind is
like, they actually getattention from it's negative
attention and they'll fight withlike a death grip.
Like, I'm not gonna let go ofthis.
Unless I have alternative waysto get actually positive
attention.
So if the PT doesn't know how todo that, which they don't teach

(29:16):
that, and so you have to gooutside of your scope to be able
to do this, you actually cantalk to the person and find out
like what is the deeper meaning,what's the higher positive
intention behind this pain?
Pain is the body's check enginelight, like in a car has check
engine light.
It's, it means pay attention tothe degree.
We as human beings do not payattention.
We will pay with pain.
Oh yeah.

(29:37):
Oh yeah.
And so not wisdom, but it'sexactly, but it's not just like
if your knee is having an issue,it's like there's no amount of
massage and this and this, thatwill help necessarily.
So it's like, okay, cool, I canput my hand on your knee, but
like what's the emotion that'scoming up behind it?
Mm-hmm.
Where is that coming from?
How long have you had this inyour life?
So the emotion that's notgetting dealt with manifests in

(29:58):
the pain.
Yeah.
And it goes even beyond that.
This isn't woo woo or whatever.
Anybody has knee issues.
They're either, they're beingslowed down, but they're
generally running away fromsomething.
If they have like hand issues,they're like not, they're
holding on too tight or they'renot holding on something enough.
They have back issues atsomething from their past and so
like, it's not just a spiritualconcept, psychological concept.

(30:21):
This is true.
But then we have to do theresearch to be able to find it,
but the people won't let go.
People that aren't gettingbetter, it's because they're not
letting go of the, the attentionthat they're getting.
So a technique that we do is weactually find what is the higher
positive tension behind thebehavior?
What are other behaviors thatthey can do to get the same

(30:41):
need?
Mm-hmm.
And then once they do that, likein the end, they'll let it go.
Mm-hmm.
That's when pain can happen veryquickly, or, I mean, healing can
happen very, very quickly, butlike, I I, I do believe you
know, that pain and emotion arehighly correlated, right?
So if somebody's coming in andlike for me, I had chronic neck
pain for years and years andyears and kept doing all the
latest and greatest PT stuff.

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And it wasn't until I startedspeaking my truth'cause I was
holding back and not havingboundaries and just, you know,
giving away my energy.
And once I started noticing thatI stopped and it wouldn't help
the active flareups.
So this is, I think this issomething that there's a lot of,
I think, confusion around with.

(31:23):
I've, I've had patients thatwere told like, oh, just release
this emotion, but then they'renot taught how to do it.
Yeah.
How, that's what, so how, sothen they feel gaslit and, but
they're still in physical pain.
So I like to just say like, Hey,we're still treating, it's,
we're mind, body, soul.
So you treat the emotion and thesoul, but you still, there's the
physical body too.
'cause I know if I'm in anactive flare, I know what it's

(31:44):
from and I know I need to workon it.
But we still work on thephysical body.
But I think PTs still work onthe physical body, but we need
to start understanding, hey,what is like this whole other
aspect, right?
Mm-hmm.
That we need to be payingattention to.
But I think kind of what you'resaying is sometimes people don't
have the skillset to know how torelease that.

(32:06):
It's a different consciouslevel.
Yes.
And And that's a whole otherskill set.
And so if the practitionerdoesn't have that skillset, but
they're saying that, then you'realmost like shitting on them and
then being like, why do yousmell like shit?
You know?
It's telling homeless people geta job.
Yeah, yeah.
Like yell it at homeless people.
You drive out, why don't you geta job?
Why don't you contribute tosociety?
Clearly something's going on.

(32:27):
Yeah.
That's showing, it's the samething.
It's like, that's what I'msaying, differentiating the what
and the how.
Yeah.
Like in my whole life we talkedabout not being told what?
Like not being like, like toldwhat to do or whatever.
My whole life, if somebody asksme something or give me feedback
like, cool, cool beans, how do Ido that?
Yeah.
I don't know.
What would be the purpose oftelling me to do this thing?
If you don't know how to dothis, what, what value is that?

(32:49):
They're like, oh, I don't know.
Well, maybe you should, maybeyou need to understand this
yourself.
Yeah.
First before you teach it toothers.
Kinda what you're saying, liketeaching is a whole other level
of understanding something.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, you can know it, butthen to put it in words and to
articulate it to other people,you have to know it.
Know it.
And so that's a big thing I'veseen happen in the, in the

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medical world is people aregaslit, they call it gaslighting
'cause they're just like, well,I'm told it's in my head, but I
still have physical symptoms.
Right.
They're still physical ailments.
Mm-hmm.
That, you know, like certainthings that people experience,
like we know this with certaindiseases or, um, impairments
like endometriosis, like wewe're just now barely scratching

(33:33):
the surface and understandingit.
And it's a predominantly in.
In women or people that haveuterus or vaginas, and you don't
even have to have a uterus too.
Mm-hmm.
Now we're learning.
And so, but there's these thingsthat people are almost
predisposed to.
Mm-hmm.
And are the way we think and theway we talk and our emotions can

(33:54):
almost like crack that open.
Mm-hmm.
Like epigenetics basically.
Right.
So like you have this geneticfactor, but the environment, how
we speak to ourselves, ouremotions, our spiritual self.
Like if all of that is, if we'rejust constant, constant
dysregulation from aphysiological standpoint, we
don't have homeostasis in ourbody mm-hmm.
And we don't have homeostasis,then okay, we're gonna crack

(34:16):
open those maybe genetic factorsthat wouldn't have been cracked
open before.
Mm-hmm.
If we weren't looking at ourenvironments.
Mm-hmm.
And you said something reallyinteresting earlier about
flareups and like where a PTmight, like, they might not be
able to have an answer.
Like if the client says, why doI have this flare up?
And they might be like, I don'tknow.
It's just like that.

(34:36):
Let's treat it right now.
That's where I like, I can tellyou exactly why you have a flare
up.
The physical flare, literallypain is a flare gun.
Mm-hmm.
But the question isn't like whenpeople, most people, how the
mind works and really more theego.
The ego wants to move away frompain towards pleasure.
So when people are in pain, Ineed a medication.

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Like, I need you to come to getme outta pain.
That's the opposite of what Ido.
So we actually go into the painit, and it's the miraculously,
mysteriously, coincidentally,when you actually go into it it
actually goes down because thepain is only a flare gun.
It's a, it's a flare.
That's all it is.
A flare up is, but the moreimportant question, who's
sending it, it's not thephysical body.

(35:20):
It's coming out.
It's not starting it.
Unless you stub your toe or hitit, then that's the only kind of
thing, whether that's not thepain we're talking about, but
who is sending the flare?
And I can always tell, it'slike, okay, for chronic pain
like this, or pain that's beenfor an extended period of time,
there's emotions anchored to itor emotions.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So that's, we're getting closerto it, but there's also, beyond

(35:41):
that, there's a location of theemotion.
So there's something thathappened in the.
Patient or client's past, theydidn't have the ability to fully
experience something.
So then they psychologically andspiritually separated from
themself and the body thatyou're working with, whatever
age, day and time, that's notwhere the problem's coming from.
Like the, the person is comingand they're, they're resourceful

(36:03):
and they're helping out, butit's actually coming from this
part.
That's what's sending the flare.
Mm-hmm.
And it, those flares canactually permanently go away.
If you permanently meet theneeds of this part, release what
it need, doesn't need to have,learn this deeper spiritual
lesson, bring it to the presentmoment, integrate it, grow it up
instantly, miraculously,coincidentally, no more flares
the rest of the life that'spermanently connected.

(36:25):
I say that in no more flares,but other, if that actually
works, sometimes other partswill use the same doorbell, the
same flare.
It's like.
If that worked for that, help meout too.
'cause we have multiple parts.
We have so many parts, um, ofourselves that we
psychologically, spiritually,separate from ourselves.
Anytime you don't have theability to process it.
So no, not, not one humanbeing's ever born with an ego.

(36:50):
And people don't talk like thisand think about this, but if
you, if I say it makes sense,nobody's born with an ego.
What babies do, and really likeone year old's really long
children, if they hit theirhead, fall down, go boom.
If they are too hot, too coldand too wet, um, they need to
get held, they cry.
And what happens is the body'snervous system fully experiences

(37:11):
and fully process it.
So there's no carryover.
We see it intro, then they falland they hit their head and then
you, okay, I love you.
You're good.
Okay.
And then they go and yeah, likenothing happened.
Yeah.
But they experience it.
Yeah.
Where do adults go cry likethat.
And they hold things in andpassive aggressive and all that.
So at certain points, so the egoenters everybody generally
around the age of two.
So that's what they call it, theterrible twos.

(37:32):
It could go a little bit sooner,a little bit later, but the ego
starts around two.
Nobody's born with an ego,actually.
And then once there's an ego,the person now has the ability
to resist or reject.
There's like, now there's,instead of hurt happening, now
it's, I'm hurt or you hurt me.
Um, and then if the, the childdoesn't have the ability to

(37:55):
fully experience it, whichchildren don't, but if there's
an ego now they can resist.
But if their environment, iftheir parents are like, suck it
up, big girls don't cry, orwhatever they, whatever they
say, or just like, you're fine.
And they don't like what achild, what a parent actually is
supposed to do.
Parent can only do this if theycan do it themselves.
If a child's having an issue,the parent's supposed to get
down on their level, like ontheir knees or whatever.

(38:18):
Let's say it's a 2-year-old.
Put one hand on the front, onthe heart center, put between
the rum blades, between theshoulder blades, put one hand on
the back of the, of the heartcenter.
Relax and breathe with them.
Like if they're breathing,breathe a little bit more and
say, you're okay.
We're gonna fully experiencethis and process this together.
The issue is the parent has to,gets to, has to feel what the

(38:40):
child's feeling too.
If the parent didn't do this forthemselves when they were
younger,'cause their parentsdidn't do it for them, they
don't know how.
But you can go outside yourancestral lineage and learn it
from someone like myself, likethe whole apple isn't far, far
from the tree.
Go to a banana orchard, go to apeach orchard.
There's your family's not gonnahave all your answers.
Your school's not gonna have allyour answers.

(39:01):
Your life experience is notgonna have all your answers.
You need to, we need each other.
So that's what a parent'ssupposed to do, is to help them
fully experience that.
Once they do, there's nocarryover.
There's no part.
Mm-hmm.
They learn the lesson, theybecome resourceful.
That I can hold space formyself.
I can actually, I can actuallyfeel it to heal it.
But we don't do that, so we,anytime we don't, any human

(39:24):
being doesn't fully experienceand experience, there's a
separation.
The longer it gets, it's goingto come up and communicate.
It seems like trigger, or thewords you used was where it just
kind of comes up, you said like,Hmm, like a flare?
Yeah.
Triggers or it flares up.
Yeah.
You get flareups or it getstriggered or out of nowhere.

(39:44):
You know, people regress.
Most people the.
They think that they are the agethat they are, but then why do
they act like four year olds or17 year olds with this?
Oh, like G Mate says this a lotwhere like, you know, people,
he's like, if you're, if you seesomebody throwing a fit in his
adult, you're seeing a child runthrowing a fit.
Mm-hmm.
You're not actually seeing theadult.
Mm-hmm.
It's the child inside themthat's throwing the fit and they

(40:04):
need to work to heal that.
Which, how are they gonna dothat?
Yeah.
Where are they gonna go?
Exactly.
That's what we do.
Yeah.
But it's not common.
But it's, but yeah, but I mean,if they don't know that, like
that's not common, like commonknowledge.
I mean, there's somaticexperiencing too, where people
can learn how to, that's PeterLevine's work of like moving
through the emotion.
Mm-hmm.
Sometimes they don't even usewords or anything.

(40:27):
It's just getting the body tofeel it.
But then, which may or may notwork and EMDR may or may not
work.
Mm-hmm.
And some of the things may ormay not work.
Unless you actually, the partactually is stuck
psychologically.
Like if, if, if you, there was aproblem coming up for you that
you were having and we were todo this like right now, and I
actually ask you questions andfind out where in space and time
it's from, it's the part stillneeds to come to 2025 in this,

(40:52):
in this present moment, getresources.
'cause you've learned somethings between what happened and
where you are now.
Mm-hmm.
You've learned a lot, butthere's no communication.
This part's separated from you,separated from the divine, from
all the resources you'velearned.
So if you actually couldisolate, we isolate this
problem, this part that's havinga problem, what it needs, what

(41:13):
it's lacking.
If you can actually give it toit or ask your higher
consciousness to give it to itinstantly it gets freed.
But it's, that's like half theequation.
You need to also like give it ahug.
Yeah.
And then healing happens becausethe only reason.
It's so interesting because likewhatever pain or emotions that
were happening at the time,that's what gets triggered.

(41:34):
Well, I also like when I get,when I get triggered, you know,
well, I wanted to dive in alittle bit too.
I've been to like trauma healingconferences or um, events or
retreats.
And what found reallyfascinating there is there's two
types of people, generallyspeaking, there's the people
that actually want to heal andthere's the people that just

(41:55):
wanna talk about their storiesover and over and over.
Yep.
Because they get negativeattention.
Yeah.
And, and that was somethingwhere it wasn't regulated, so
they were dominating the, theretreat and it ruined the, it
was maybe not ruined, but itreally negatively affected the
people that were there to trulyheal.
Mm-hmm.
'cause they just wanted to beheard.
And so there was no regulationon that.
And, and that is something whereif I, in the future when I do

(42:16):
retreats and stuff, it's like,no, we are.
Nipping that in the bud realfast.
Yep.
And people identify with it.
And the people that identifywith it, like, yeah, we all have
some form of trauma.
Some people have.
And trauma is more of yourperception of what happened.
'cause two people can experiencethe same thing and one person
can be traumatized and onecannot be correct.

(42:37):
And so for like me, I know thatI remember the first time I was
told, oh you have, you haveComplex PTSD.
I was like, oh well how do Iwork on this?
And there wasn't really ananswer.
It was just like, I'm just gonnabe traumatized for life.
So like, are we all just sittingout here waiting?
'cause everyone's gonna betraumatized at some point.
Mm-hmm.
So then are we just kind ofscrewed the second it happens?
Because that's what I reallythought.
I was like, wow, so am I justunlucky now?

(43:01):
And I was like, I'm not gonna bea victim to this.
This is not, I am, I'm gonnalearn from this.
And it was, you know, as I'velearned from it.
I don't say I have it.
I say I've working through it,or I have worked through it.
Because if I identify myself andsay I have trauma, well, we all
have trauma, and we all have hadchildhoods.
Maybe that weren't ideal.

(43:21):
Some were probably horrible,more horrible than others, but
so much of it is that we're notspecial in our traumas.
These are things that weexperienced and we can do one of
two things.
We can sit in'em and we canidentify with them, or we can
grow from them.
And I, I, I choose, I've alwayschoose the growth aspect.
I sit and marinate a little bit.
I mean, don't get me wrong.

(43:42):
There have been plenty of timeswhere I went through my healing
journey of, you know, cancer,divorce, COVID hitting, and my
ex father-in-law was like afather and me all within one
year, like losing him to cancer.
I was like, I didn't, I was sostripped from my identity, I had
no idea who I was.
Yeah.
And so didn't have any of theseskills.
I've never felt so vulnerable inmy life, which is the awakening,

(44:04):
the textbook awakening process.
I, I needed it.
Yeah.
I mean, I am, and it was funny'cause it was ha all happened
during COVID, so I couldn't goanywhere.
Mm-hmm.
I initially wanted to be like, Ijust wanna go out and date and
travel and just like forgetabout everything but the
universe or God put a mirror infront of you.
It was like, oh hell no.
You sit back down.
Yeah.
And I didn't realize what such agift that was.

(44:25):
Mm-hmm.
But I think that.
We're going through thiscollective shift right now in
society and or in the, in theworld.
Mm-hmm.
And the, and we're seeing it,but you see people don't have
these tools.
So that's why you see the peoplethat are really struggling don't
realize that there's this wholeother aspect of how to look at
things and how to communicateand how to understand because
they're not ready, becausethey're, well, they're not not

(44:47):
ready.
But also I think some peopleare, they just don't know the
resources.
And then, yeah, there's plentyof people that aren't ready.
But that's been my life.
So there's, I dunno if you'veseen this video, there's a
really cool video on overYouTube over the years, but I
think it was a white gym teacherand there was all like kinds of
kids, like different like races,minorities and white kids.

(45:07):
Mm-hmm.
And he said, okay, I'm gonnagive you like a hundred dollars
or$200 for any kid who likecrosses this line at the 50 yard
line.
Everyone's gonna stay at thegold line and take one giant
step forward if your parents arestill.
To, you know, a third stilltogether, take one.
If you've never been on welfareand this, this, this, and it's a
really good video, and they showthat, oh, I love that video.

(45:28):
But the way I, like, I'm aminority and there's no, I grew
up in a ghetto, you know?
Yeah.
I'm, I was one of those kids onthe goal line.
Yeah.
But there's, in the world ofsuccess, there's only solutions
and excuses.
People that will learn thedeeper spiritual lesson.
Yeah.
From this and profit.
Yeah.
Or people that will do this andthey'll make other people
miserable.
And I feel like, I like that.
I liked that video that you weresaying.

(45:50):
I know you, you might've had adifferent opinion on it about
raising up the flag and beinglike showing somebody like the
level playing field, right?
Mm-hmm.
And like the kids that had theircell phones paid for that never
had to worry about money andnever worried about food.
Yeah.
They ran to the end and thenthey looked back and maybe it
was a realization for them.
But the, I guess the point is,yeah, the, the playing field

(46:11):
might not be level, but that'sstill not an excuse, right?
Never.
But also I recognize I haveprivileges in my life and I have
things that were not privileges.
And so we all have somethingwhere.
But being in America is aprivilege over 97% of the world.
Like Totally.
But being a woman, even thoughI'm white, I'm oppressed'cause
I'm a woman.

(46:31):
Right?
And it's like, okay.
But if I constantly go throughthose, those goggles of I'm an
oppressed woman.
Yeah.
I'm still gonna fight for myrights.
Hell yeah.
But if I just go all the timeand be like, yeah, well I just,
you know, I'm a female ownedbusiness, so like nobody, you
know, people don't support me'cause I'm female owned.
Okay, well then I'm gonna keepattracting that.
Yes.
But instead I'm gonna say, ohyeah, that this, this sucks.

(46:53):
It's a downside.
Yeah.
You know?
But I know white men get shit onall the time.
And I'm like, well, I.
Uh, like there's stuff thatcomes with being a white man in
the US that's consideredprivileged.
It's like there's other stuffthat goes with that too.
So nobody is, is, um, nobody isfree of this.
Like, we're in this humanexperience and we have to figure

(47:15):
out how to get out of ourunconscious brain to get to our
high highest self.
And yes, we can recognize andunderstand, yeah, these are,
these are negatives, but whereare the positives that we have?
Yeah.
And like to, it's like only twochoices do you focus on what you
want or what you don't want.
Mm-hmm.
Because whatever you focus on,we only get more of period.
Exactly.
So it's like the whole victim orthe poverty, it's like, so I

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grew up in poverty.
Cool.
What's my solution?
Like, I, I had theselimitations, a, d, d and deathly
ill multiple times and all thatstuff.
Um, but it's just like, so whatdo I do with this?
Mm-hmm.
Like, I just always had that inme.
It's like, I'd rather die beforeI fail.
Like, if I don't have a watch,but I check my whoop strap, but
like, oh, there's still time onthe clock.
I'm still alive.

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So there's still, you know,different things.
And it's just that whole victimmentality I just moved away from
If people wanted to do that,they can, like, we're in a free
country, go ahead and be avictim.
I'm gonna go over here and lookfor success.
It's a choice.
Yeah.
And I did, and I'm just reallygrateful I, you know, I did to
be able to help people.
But that's the whole thing islike, um, you, you talked about
those four really big thingsthat happen in a year in the

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spiritual world.
There's a saying that sufferingis the greatest catalyst for
awakening.
So when I say those peoplearen't ready, I usually say
they're either not ready or theyhaven't suffered enough and
gotten bad.
Yeah.
It's like a boiling, like theyneed to be like, has to get
worse.
Because, because it's, um, very,very few people that I've
encountered, I'm still early inmy spiritual journey, but.

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Because it's been about a yearof me really waking up to all
this.
'cause there's a lot of stuffshifting.
Once you can, you really, Imean, the start of it was five
years ago, but, or almost sixyears ago, but like really
diving in, you know, the lastyear is just that there's,
there's just this, um, there'sjust this piece of it where it

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doesn't come from wisdom.
Like, I mean, there are certainpeople I think that are old
souls and they've been here manytimes and maybe they naturally
know things a bit more, but forthe majority of us, we have to
experience some extreme amountof pain.
Like a pressure, like a, makinga diamond, right?
Mm-hmm.
It takes an extreme amount ofpressure to make a diamond, but
everybody wants the diamond, butthey don't want the pressure.
Yeah.

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You know, and you see this inbusiness too.
Everybody wants, you know, tomake millions and millions,
right.
That's why everyone's trying toget famous on TikTok.
And it's like, okay, but.
You know, but you have to stilldo the work to get to that
point.
But people don't want to do thework.
Mm-hmm.
But then they wanna complainabout not having the results.
And I can't, I physiologicallycannot be have those types of

(49:47):
people in my inner circle in anycapacity.
Anybody that works for me,anybody that I'm friends with,
anybody that I associate with, Ican't.
Oh geez.
And that was so much of meweeding out like that the last
six years.
And it was painful and a lot ofgrief.
Yeah.
But what's it like now?
Oh, it's wonderful.
Freedom.

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Freedom.
Mm-hmm.
It's freedom, but it's likethis.
It's a divisive energy thatwants to keep people victim
focusing a negative focus onwhat they don't want.
And it, it's, it's basicallywhat it says.
We don't want you to be free,but we don't want you to leave.
You know what we're doing.
That's what the energy says.
And it takes a really strongperson to break through that and
it will say like, no one's gonnalove you.

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You're gonna be alone, this,this, this.
And you're like, well, I'm gonnahave my own back.
Like, I'm still gonna do thejourney.
And then you get away from itand see, then it's just like you
can breathe.
Mm-hmm.
It's like the issue was thisenergy, the issue wasn't,
whatever it was saying it wasgonna be.
And so actually that's just apersonal journey that everyone
needs to take.
And nobody can force.
You can't force growth, can'tforce transformation.

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Person has to be ready.
And just, that's, it's not evena bad thing.
It's just suffering needs tolike, okay, let's, the univers
says let's keep going up higher,higher, higher.
Until like, until you submit,like old school wrestling, tap
out.
It's like, yeah, I'm out.
And I get it.
I get stop, stop, stop.
Now I want help because not eventhe divine can help people if
their ego's resisting.
Mm-hmm.
Not even God.
The divine presence can evenhelp them.

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It can't.
'cause we have that free will.
Totally.
We have the ability to rejectthe, the divine presence.
Our source, what we, we, wecreated from.
And when people do that, likesuffering only happens far away
from the divine period.
So then once people like finallysubmit, which I did, and it's
just you did, it's just whathappens and there's levels and
processes, but then that's whenthe divine presence instantly

(51:31):
comes in.
It's like it's crazy when youcan accept it.
And it, to me, it's not even areligion.
It's more of a, just a highersense of.
Something greater than us thattruly loves us.
And there's, there's meant formore.
And, and we're meant to be hereto break through all these
barriers to tap into our highestself.
Mm-hmm.
And it's like, but people aren'tready to hear it.

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And so it's just some people,yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Some people aren't ready to hearit, and I'm not here to convince
those people.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm, I'm, you know, I'm a PTcoming out talking like this,
this is not common for PTs to beopen and practicing and talking
this way.
And I am willing to be thetrailblazer with this to help

(52:14):
pave the way.
So it's easier for other PTs tobe able to,'cause they're
seeking.
I see it and I see a lot ofwomen.
That are like in their fortiesapproaching perimenopause and
the things that, the copingmechanisms that they use before
perimenopause, they're notworking anymore.
What kind of things?
Like sometimes it will just belike over exercising or drinking

(52:35):
or chucking coffee or just kindof numbing out, binge watching
things or whatever.
Like those things like maybethey helped like a little bit
back then, or they thought itwas helping.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but what's that?
Forties are different.
Yeah.
But forties are different.
'cause your hormones startshifting.
Like, I just found out I'm atperimenopause and I'm like, oh,
I can't, I can't rely oncaffeine.
I can't, I, I can't even drinkat all.

(52:57):
Mm-hmm.
And um, it's, it's interesting'cause now then you're exposed
to, well I have to actually lookat my shit now.
Mm-hmm.
And when you have to look atyour shit and you don't have
those things, it's really.
It's really tough and I've, I'veseen it in a lot of like
heterosexual couples where thenthe, the partner, like the, the
man is like still doing the oldstuff and the woman's like, I'm

(53:20):
not doing this anymore.
So you see, I've been seeing abig divide around like the
forties or fifties where womenare like, I, I can't, I can't do
this.
And then there's this chronickind of dissociation from the,
the male side.
And I think that's, I thinkthat's a systemic thing that
we've taught men too, like froma cultural standpoint.
Like, hey, don't have emotions.

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Be a man.
You know?
And so then we're blaming themfor not being able to open.
And so you've got so much ofthis disconnect.
And I don't believe men areinherently bad.
I don't think women are, I don'tthink anybody is inherently
evil.
I think that we're constantlyjust trying to.
Communicate and if we don't havethese communication skills, and

(54:00):
so now if you're a practitionerand you're having trouble at
home, yeah.
How can we show up with clients?
And so we start running intothese deeper rooted things of,
okay, well we have to learnabout ourselves first.
Yeah.
And that's what I keep saying.
And so that's why a lot oftherapy doesn't work because a
therapist, a coach, or whereveryou fill in the blank of, uh,

(54:21):
even you, you said like, I'm notdoing things.
Why am I so different?
Because you care.
Mm-hmm.
Because you had, like with yourbrother, whatever experiences
you've had in life, like you,like, it's, you reach deep and
within to be able to help it.
It's part of your purpose.
Mm-hmm.
That's not for a majority ofpeople in business.
That's, that's not what it's,that's not what it's like.
But any, let's just say atherapist, um, or any counselor,

(54:41):
a therapist can only helpsomebody their patient to the
level of depth they go on withthemselves and transformed.
And it doesn't work.
If I wanna help people and go toschool, and I don't wanna do any
work on myself, but I'm gonnahelp other people.
Well, that's their traumaresponse.
Yeah.
That's their trauma.
Their trauma response is, well,I'm, I don't want anyone to feel
the way I'm feeling, so I'mgonna go be a psychotherapist,
or I'm gonna go be a bt.

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But now we're not healing why webecame a PT in the first place.
'cause I would dissociate belike, well, I'm gonna take care
of everybody else.
Mm-hmm.
Because that's my identity now.
Mm-hmm.
And then I got sick.
Spot on.
Yep.
And so we all have our profe, Ibelieve a lot of us, we have our
professions.
If we haven't done this workbefore, which most people
haven't choose them based onsome type of like compensation.
And that's an interesting pointbecause there's a difference

(55:25):
between masculine and feminineenergy.
A lot of people in thecollective conscious thing,
masculinity is equals male andfeminine.
Equals female.
Oh yeah.
It's not every human being hasboth.
Yeah.
The, the head is masculine foreverybody.
Mm-hmm.
The heart is feminine.
The left brain is masculine.
The right brain's feminine.
Like our, our skin is more, themasculine inside the organs is

(55:46):
feminine, so.
Most like even like women thatdo that, like women who don't
get an environment of likebalance, become more
disconnected masculine.
'cause if no one's gonna do itfor me, I gotta do it myself.
Yeah.
I can't rely on people.
Yeah.
You see that a lot.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So what would you say, becausethere's a lot of women dealing
with this right now, and they'rein healing spaces as well, and
they're struggling in theirrelationships.

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So how, how can they, like, whatcould be like one thing that
helps them just, you know, what,what would you say to help them
if they're in that boat?
If they're like, what?
Well, if I was talking tosomebody, it'd be more personal
and technical.
But if somebody's watching this,I would say the first step is
awareness.
Mm-hmm.
You have to be aware that youare, yes you are a woman, but

(56:31):
you're acting more, not manly.
Disconnected masculine.
'cause masculine is, there'sconnected masculine,
disconnected masculine.
There's connected feminine.
Disconnected feminine.
So connected masculine is likeproviding, and men and women can
provide, but it's providing,it's protecting, um, it's doing,
but there's overdoing, which isdisconnected masculine.

(56:51):
There's, um, like lashing outand things like that.
But feminine, so connectedfeminine is like, the feeling,
the nurturing, disconnected,feminine is like too emotional,
like crying from everything andlike narcissist, like, you did
this to me.
Have you ever seen the Sopranos?
Um, I haven't Tony, so, but Iknow Narcissist, Tony Soprano's
mom was like, oh, Tony, you didthis.

(57:13):
You're the worst.
And Tony, so very, yeah.
So, so, but the first thing isawareness.
Yeah.
So they have to be aware, likeif, like a woman watching, so if
that you are a woman and you're,you're operating and behaving
from disconnected masculineenergy, where is that coming
from?
There's an imbalance and youhaven't got your needs met.
Where's that coming from?
It's not even psychological,it's just true.

(57:35):
It comes from your parents.
Either your dad was toodisconnected or your mom was
disconnected.
Like people think like, oh, it'sa dad thing.
So psychology might be everybodyblames dudes now.
Like it's always the dude'sfault, which is disconnected
masculine energy.
There's so many wonderful men inthis world shitting on toxic
masculinity.
Ah, I see.

(57:55):
That's, I'm saying.
So people think toxic.
That's not feminism, that'sjust, that's just toxic.
Yeah.
No, it's disconnected.
It's.
I think people are confusing thetwo.
Yeah.
'cause people think feminineequals women.
It doesn't.
Mm-hmm.
We all have the energy.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like sun in themoon.
Do we all have aspect to the sunin the moon?
The sun is masculine, the moonis feminine.
Do we all have aspect to it?
Yes.
It's not like women can only seethe moon and men can only see

(58:18):
the sun.
Men can only go out during theday.
That's what people are saying.,Men go on a day.
Women can only go at night.
Well, that makes no sense.
Yeah.
So it's the same thing as menare masculine.
So there's, there's, well,there's a lot of like weaker men
on the planet too.
Oh yeah.
That's disconnected masculineenergy.
Yeah.
Well, it's also then what'shappening with the dude that's

(58:39):
disconnected.
'cause what you're, you'reseeing is just kinda this
epidemic of, of disconnected menholding in their emotions, being
angry, disconnecting from theirfamilies, and then overworking.
So you see that?
Mm-hmm.
That's just like, that's likethe very standard thing.
I mean, not every man and justCorrect clarifying.
Yeah.
But when we're looking at commonthemes that I see in my

(58:59):
practice, in my social circles,and my friends and my family,
like all these different things,these are common themes that I
see.
Mm-hmm.
And so what, how would youexplain the disconnect?
Like that?
It's kind of the same thing.
I.
So in collective consciousness,mostly through religion, people
teach that, um, God is a he.

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And at best, like if, like Ihave no problem if the whole
planet said like God is a, a, heno problem.
But I would say at a hundred,at, at best, you're only getting
50%.
So then some people say, no,God's a she, God's a woman, the
goddess, and all this coolbeings.
You're only getting 50% of thebest.
The God, the divine presence.
It's like two sides of the samecoin.

(59:41):
There's the divine masculine andthe divine feminine called the
divine parents.
But a lot of religion, like evenin like Christianity or it's all
Catholicism.
Well, the fathers son the HolyGhost.
Yeah.
Where the real trinity actuallyis the divine father.
It's like a, it's an upside downpyramid.
The divine father, the divinemother and the child.
Yeah.
That means you, that's inserteverybody.

(01:00:04):
That's the relationship.
So a lot of people, they, theway you relate to your parents.
Consciously or unconscious, theway you relate to the divine.
So if people that don't have agreat relationship with their
parents, they don't have a greatrelationship with God, um,
people that have issues withabusive father, then oh, it's, I
like the mother side.
You know, there's nothing wrongwith it, but you can actually

(01:00:26):
ask the divine mother to helpheal your relationship with,
with your father, which actuallyto do that.
But that's the thing as peopleare watching, it's the same
thing, but, but inverse wherelike, and the other thing too is
a lot of times, like withreligion or spirituality, like
we use cars for example.
Could a human beings like fullyagree upon one car to use?

(01:00:50):
No.
Could we?
Every single microphone, wouldthat work for everything?
Would every single size ofclothes so I can keep going on?
No two snowflake have ever beenthe same.
No.
Two thumbprints, no two leaveshave ever been the same.
No.
Two molecules and atoms.
How is it that the whole speciescould relate to God one way?
Impossible.
It won't work anything like gengen.

(01:01:12):
Like if, if I say like the wholespecies, like this is God,
everyone has to believe thisway, it wouldn't work for
anybody else.
There is only the one presence.
It's not one is singular asseparate.
It's one is all that is.
But the only way it actuallyworks for people is if people
have a personal relationship.
Meaning like the way you relateto it's the same presence, but
you relate to it in a way thatit won't work for anybody else.

(01:01:33):
Almost like a key.
It's like your key to your houseworks and it doesn't work in any
other house.
That's the same thing.
So people need to heal theirrelationship with the, the
divine.
'cause a lot of people that likeatheists, the only reason why
atheists exists is becausethey've been hurt before and
they blame God.
That's what an atheist is.
Oh yeah.
I mean, I, I that's, it was anatheist for a long time.

(01:01:55):
Um,'cause I was pushed toCatholicism and, and, and in my,
nobody that I had met couldexplain why.
We did the things that we did.
Mm-hmm.
And they would react negatively.
Yep.
And I was just divisive energy.
Yeah.
And I was like, if somebodywould've sat and taught me,
maybe I would've stayed thatway.
But nobody taught me, nobodycould explain it.
Mm-hmm.
Nobody could sit down and belike, this is what we believe

(01:02:15):
and this is why it was met withanger.
Yeah.
And, and resentment.
And lashing out and punishdivisive energy in religion,
which is the opposite of God andthe divine.
Which is so funny'cause you seethis like everywhere and not
everywhere, but like in a lot ofplaces it's not in every church
or whatever, but it is inchurches.
It is in religion.
Not everyone's, it's in schools.
It's in offices.

(01:02:35):
Yeah.
Its in.
And you can't ask thesequestions.
You can't ask and understandthese, these things and
understand why without thereactivity.
I didn't know any of this stuffexisted, but if I am going into,
um, like the community that I'mat and I'm asking the leaders in
the community and they can'ttell me I'm, I'm not gonna

(01:02:56):
respond to that.
Like, I, I, I, correct.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I'm like, okay.
So you go to a different circle.
A better circle.
Yeah.
Go to a different circle.
And, and then just seeing how,how.
People handled it.
But I guess my point is more ofwhat you were saying about when
people aren't getting along withtheir family and, and, and then
that relationship with theirparents.
I do think though that it's,it's funny because I've had a

(01:03:21):
tough relationship with myfamily for a long time.
I've resented them for pushingreligion on me.
And, and, um, as I've healed alot of things that I've been
working through or healing, So Ithink there's just like a
constant kind of ever evolving.
Um, once I really started divingmore into, like, understanding

(01:03:41):
my highest self and realizingthat I do have inner gifts, I, I
was put on this planet for areason.
Everything that happened to mewas, happened to me for a
reason.
And, um.
Hmm.
And in that then I could pullback and, and release the anger
with my parents and be like, mydad was just doing what he
thought was best because of theinformation he had at the time.

(01:04:02):
Right.
And like, it, it, it justallowed me to like, forgive my,
my family and forgive myparents.
And that doesn't mean that wehave a perfect relationship
though.
Yeah.
Like, I think it's alsosomething that I feel like to
clarify because if somebody,somebody might already be
struggling with their parentsand working to build a
relationship with God and thennot be able to have that, that,

(01:04:23):
that doesn't mean they're notmaybe connected.
Maybe their relationship in howthey think about them is
different.
But you can't change that otherperson though.
Say if, if we weren't in a goodspot, there's still this piece
of coming to terms withsomething with somebody maybe
that you, you like hurt you inthe past, but like they're not

(01:04:44):
changing.
So how can you look at it in adifferent way or work with your
spiritual aspect of yourself tosee it in a different light
because you can't changesomebody else.
Correct.
But you can change the way youfeel about somebody else.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I think that's a, a gooddistinction of it though,
because.
A lot of people blame themselvesbecause they can't get their

(01:05:07):
parents or their partner orsomebody to see things in a way
that they would like them tosee.
But it's so much of reframing,well, yeah, those things
happened, but also how can welook at this in a different
light?
Mm-hmm.
And, and, and add empathy.
It's just, but if you stay inthat and you hold that
resentment mm-hmm.
That eats at you for life.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

(01:05:27):
Well I think the one big lessonthat people need to hear,
there's only gonna be two kindsof teachers you in your life.
Mm-hmm.
Period.
There's direct teachers andthere's indirect teachers.
Direct teachers teach you andshow you what to do in life.
Indirect teachers show you andteach you what not to do.
Oh yeah.
And the lack of distinction anddifferentiation between'em both

(01:05:48):
will cause a lot of suffering.
'cause it's like people, likethe indirect teachers are
equally as important as a directteacher.
So people like come up and smackyou in the face and you don't
like it.
Okay, well then maybe you learnabout situational awareness.
Maybe you need to distanceyourself from that per whatever
that is.
But the whole thing is like, incertain things in life, somebody
cuts you off.
Well, maybe you just let morepeople go by or take a different

(01:06:10):
road, or it's just, there'salways something to learn.
But uh, yeah, to the degree wedon't learn the lesson, we keep
repeating the teachers.
Yeah.
I love that because that's a bigpiece too.
Like when I'm going throughsomething heavy, you know, it's,
there's, there's like really badthings that happen in the world,
and I'm not saying that happenedfor a reason, but the way that I
can look at it is be like, okay,well that horrible thing

(01:06:31):
happened, but what have Ilearned from it?
And how can I take and putsomething, some light into the
world from that horribleexperience?
And I'm not gonna be this personthat says, though, that needed
to happen.
So you had to have somethinghorrible happen to you.
I, I do not say that, right?
It's more of what, what is thissupposed to teach me?
What am I supposed to learn fromthis?

(01:06:51):
You know, because there's a lotof suffering.
Suffer.
I believe suffering is a choice.
There's a lot of pain.
But in the pain is each time Igo through something really
painful, um,'cause I'll havepeople be like, how are you
still going, Mary?
How?
Like, and then, you know, on topof all that, you know, my
brother passing, I had a friendpass away tragically, you know,

(01:07:14):
last year and, and just so manythings over and over and over.
And it's like, well,'cause I'm,they're not like,'cause it's the
way I am looking at them.
Like, I still connect to mybrother.
I still connect to my friends.
I, I still connect to peoplethat have passed.
Yeah.
Because I believe their soulsare still here.
Mm-hmm.
I just, they're not physicallyhere.
They're not physical.
Yeah.
And they're not physicalanymore.

(01:07:35):
But also these different thingspush me to evolve to become
somebody that I wouldn't havebeen otherwise.
Anyways, so, well, thanks somuch for coming on.
Is there anything, um, let's, ifyou wanna explain a little bit
about your program so people canunderstand where they can find
you as well and Yeah, so wehave, uh, our website, intro
awareness.com and we only, wekind of like two different

(01:07:57):
aspects of our business, so wereally help people one-on-one to
solve.
The problems or whatever.
They're struggling in life andthey tried everything else, then
nothing works.
We actually help them to do itin a very short, reasonable
amount of time.
We help, you know, entrepreneurstoo as well, get the maximum
output from what they're here todo and really fulfill their
purpose.
But then we also have thistraining.

(01:08:18):
I've been doing this for 26years and worked with, like I
said, over 7,000 clients.
So I'm such a systems person andlike I don't like to reinvent
the wheel over, over and over.
So we put this really beautifulprogram of like neurolinguistic
psychology with the holistic wayand we teach people like
systematically step per step.
Like how actually how the mindworks, the difference, the

(01:08:39):
anatomy of the unconscious mind.
There's anatomy of the body, butI created an anatomy of the
unconscious mind.
'cause it's, the mind is notphysical.
No one's, no one will ever seeit.
But we actually walk peoplethrough to learn how they can
become a better communicator.
A better leader.
Understand how the mind worksand understand how meaning
people put meaning to things.
'cause we talked about traumaand triggers and things.

(01:09:00):
The, the reality is whateverhappened isn't an issue.
'cause it's gone in the past.
The only thing that's holdingonto it is the perception is the
programs.
That's what gets repeated.
That's what causes the trauma.
It's not what happened, it's thecarryover of what happened
synthetically.
The mind put its meaning to it.
So if a person wants to learnhow to do it from themselves or

(01:09:21):
other people, that's what wewalk people through.
And it just, it's such anaddition to any practice.
Um, people could actually dothis instead of their practice.
I know like there's been massagetherapists or other people in
the past that to get to acertain age and like, it's just,
it's hard work their hands.
Yeah.
And if you can actually helppeople linguistically with
physical things without eventouching them or doing extra

(01:09:42):
work, it's great.
So it's such an addition.
Um, I started that myself.
I did integrated personaltraining.
I started working with people.
And correcting thingsphysically, and I can only go so
far.
Then I started going over to thepsychological and it released it
very quickly and I just, I, Idid'em both together.
So it is the way to go.
Like you said, you're doing sucha great job of kind of leading

(01:10:03):
a, a wave for the, for the PTand kind of trail brazing, so
that's gonna be really huge tobe able to like just open up
people's eyes to that.
And I really appreciate whatyou're doing and Oh, thank you.
It's scary.
I've had to sit a lot in mynervous system and feel the
expansion and allow thecriticism to come if and when it
comes, you know, I mean, thecriticism comes anywhere.

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Um, and then, but I don't care.
You know, it's like, it's this,uh, really cool wave that I
think we're seeing in healthcareespecially.
I think PTs are gonna be thefirst wave and honestly any
movement professional, um,because.
If you've been in it longenough, they know that what
we've learned is in explainingeverything.
Yeah.
And so, um, yeah.

(01:10:45):
I'll put all your information inthere and so they can get in
touch with you.
Yeah.
And yeah, I don't wanna keepsupporting you and I'll support
anybody else, you know, any ofyour people, any PT out there
that's watching and they reallywant to at least have a
complimentary conversation tosee what we do and how it can be
really beneficial for them.
We would absolutely love to.
Awesome.
Talk to that.
And there's a guy named SeanRyan.

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I dunno if you've heard of theSean Ryan podcast.
He's in Austin, but he does atthe beginning.
He actually, he does, he's thehost.
He does gifts.
But I wanted to bring a gift foryour podcast.
Oh, you, that's why you broughtin the, the bag.
Yeah.
Oh.
Do you eat eggs?
I do.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I get you two dozen of these.
Oh, these are WR ranch eggs.
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They're unwashed.
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You can refrigerate'em, justwash'em before.
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on our property.
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The wrong hell or wrangle.
It's our family recipe salsa.
Oh, so we just made it lastnight.
Yes.
It's got a little heat.
It's not spicy, but really enjoyall organic ingredients and
Yeah, like she's a white girl.
She's gonna not need spicy.
It's a little flavor.
It's just not too high.
It's good.
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Cool.
Well, thank you.
Enjoy that so much coffee, andthanks for having me.
Oh my gosh, I, I love thisstuff.
This is great.
This is awesome.

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Well, thank you so much.
Absolute.
Absolutely.
That was really sweet.
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