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Hey where's the remote? It's time for TV topics where
those who love television discuss the series and
performances that should be on your radar.
Hey everyone, welcome back to the TV topics podcast.
I'm your host Stephen kruiser Kowski.
Along with me is my co-host, a free to answer.
Very excited to be here. Steve, I'm glad you're here and
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I just one question. Did you see the damn remote?
Nope, I think you better check the potato salad, ah, not the
potato salad, again. It's gonna be a pain to clean.
Let's make some room on the TV topics couch because today,
we're sharing it with a very funny and talented man.
He played poker with Larry Davidon Curb Your Enthusiasm.
He handed out to tension on who Shot Pat.
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He convinced the world that Everybody Loves Raymond and he's
currently starring on his own travel and food.
Show one that I truly love somebody feed fill which has
been renewed for a seventh season, a Netflix.
Welcome to TV topics, the incredible, incredibly talented,
and very hungry. Phil Rosenthal.
Wow, I might be one of those things.
I think you're all of them, different errors that are
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different parts of your life. Yes.
Okay, so before we get into somebody feed Phil, we're going
to start off with our TV topics questions.
There's again no pressure just discussing your life and TV and
we'll start with this one. What is your relationship in
with TV looking back over the years?
Are your TV, Junkie who watches everything is more selective.
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You look go to shows My parents used to say to me more than
anything else in my life go outside.
Because I was such a TV Junkie. I they said I would watch a test
pattern. I loved it so much.
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And for me, you know, I was small and and I would get picked
on a lot. So watching TV was so much safer
than going outside and and I just fell in love with, you
know, so many shows like Honeymooners reruns and then it
literally any thing I would watch I would watch.
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All the shows of the 1960s that would like Green Acres and you
know, I Dream of Jeannie and bewitched and and then I started
to really fall in love with shows like the Dick Van Dyke
Show and then all my family cameon and changed everything.
And then, all those shows that came after like Mary, Tyler
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Moore, and Bob, Newhart and cow Burnett.
And I've just been in love with it, my whole life and so, so
when it came time for me to write for TV, I just inherently
know how to do it because it wasin my blood But the timing of
that comedic timing I, you know,I find myself.
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If you watch a show with other people other people, you share
those kind of moments. You don't have to say something.
Sometimes you start at the otherperson finishes it and I think
that sounds like the same with your writing it's like connected
to you. I think so.
I think as long as it as long asit sounds believable, you know
there are shows where You can only hear the writer.
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And I always was attracted to shows where you could hear the
character where the character seem believable, all the
families like a perfect example,that Archie's lines could only
come from Archie. Mike's lines can only come from
Mike Edith's lines, could only come from eat it, right?
And and so it was with the Mary Tyler Moore Show, and the other
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shows that I love, like The Odd Couple Oscar would never say a
line that Felix would say and vice versa.
There are some shows where it sounds like bragging it sounds
like the guy riding it instead of a believable character.
To me, everybody has different tastes but there are certain
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shows that that really work. And there non-stop jokes.
But if you're going to live by that sword, you're going to die
by that sort. But a great example of a show
that had amazing jokes and was almost sketch like, but because
the jokes were so great, you didn't care that, it wasn't 100%
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believable, was 30 Rock. Because they had phenomenal
great show. The office is one of my all-time
favorite shows. You know, I was, I've been in
love with so many shows, I can'teven, I can't even count them
all. I'm Joe honored to even be in
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the business with, with these great.
Do you have one Primetime show that would kind of Define your
childhood? One like go to I guess The
Honeymooners Honeymooners classic nothing made me laugh
harder as a child and that the Istill laugh at this old age at
those shows, they're just So funny to me, I can see it.
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I mean, I think that's the test of time in comedy comedy that
the subsequent subjects can change, and the times can
change, but funny is funny. Yeah, it's like, as long as
you're not cruel, funny is funny.
They were also, they didn't do anything topical.
Really. So that the all the, all the
humor was based in character andrelationships, which are
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Timeless. And and by relationships, I
mean, like in The Honeymooners, for example, a man and his wife
Amanda Man and his best friend, right?
A man, trying to get ahead in life.
When he has a terrible job, he'stheir Universal things.
Timeless thing very true on the opposite.
Side of the spectrum, is there ashow or what is this show that
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last made? You cry.
Oh, I cry all the time. I cry.
I cried that. There's an episode of The
Honeymooners that makes me cry. I wrote about in my book where
Ed Norton is hurt at work and hethey just had a fight.
Ralph and Norton. And a Ralph didn't want to see
him anymore as we're not friendsanymore.
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And so it goes bowling with somebody else.
And, and Norton goes to work instead of bowling and Norton's,
very upset, but he goes to work.And then Ralph gets a message
right before he's going to go bowling.
That Norton was hurt. and I justlost it as a child, I couldn't
believe because I loved Art Carney as Ed Norton.
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I couldn't believe all they. All these guys did was make me
laugh and, and to think that he was hurt.
It got to me or when something happened to Edith Bunker.
You know. There was a famous, there was a
famous episode of All in the Family.
Where you actually thought that she might get raped, Edith,
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Bunker. Well, I don't, I don't think
I've ever lost it more. When she gets out of it by
throwing a cake from the oven inthe guy's face and escapes.
I mean, the, the cheer from thatstudio audience rokk, the meter,
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the sound meter. It went, the sound was so huge
that you heard this Roar and then go to like white noise for
a second. Like it blanked out the mic in
the in the studio and then when it came back it was just amazing
Roar. Because you cared so much about
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this character, this fictional character on TV.
It taught me such a great lesson.
You can't have the very special episode every episode, right?
First. But once in a while, if you
throw in a little bit of Brahma,which is the stuff of life, none
of us are haha, funny, all the time, right?
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We have real things happen to us.
And when you do that in your show, if you trust the audience
to go with you there, R. It's so powerful and it does
something else to first of all, it can grounds you to the
character or grounds the character and it, and it, and it
strengthens your bond with the character.
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And it sets you up for the next big laugh out of contrast.
Right. It sounds like you should work
in writing and television. Hey well it was it was quite the
lesson. It was quite the lesson that I
got a very young. I got it when I was you know
these shows I'm talking about I was watching when I was a child
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literally child. I remember all those, I mean we
used to watch. It was a UHF.
That's where you see, I found those huh?
It was like coming home from school.
Yeah, late afternoon. Early evening.
You'd have a stretch of what wasit Green Acres?
And and Gilligan's Island. I Dream of Jeannie.
The Jeffersons all you know Archie Bunker, what's it all in
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the family, my family and you know it's it was a good thing.
I'm happy because I think I havea very good sense of humor.
I like to laugh and those thingskind of really are some of the
best examples of Comedy. I think out there agree and the
great they'll be playing in 50, more years.
Yeah. That, that episode of The
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Honeymooners reminds me of it should be called the bowlers of
in a Sheeran. Ha ha ha.
That's right. That's right.
So let's take a break from the TV topics and jump into somebody
feed Phil sure. So first of all, I want to say
how much I love this show. I just found it by chance.
I was watching it. I had my mother-in-law over
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said, let's put something on forthe family and I like, and it's
always very tricky because things are either too adult for
the kids or my mother-in-law or somebody just doesn't There's
always somebody who doesn't. Who's like, nah, not me.
This one. Everyone loved and I, we went
through. I don't know how many episodes
the first night, then again, thenext weekend and then I was
like, oh, we're done. And I was so worried.
I'm like, when they have to renew this and now we're on
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season six and seven on the way.So congratulations.
I just thank you, thankful for it.
All right, I didn't know, but we're one of the longest-running
shows now and Netflix history. I didn't, you know, for me, I
come from the old school. Raymond was on for nine years.
I thought if it works it keeps going but that's not the way the
world is anymore. Not only do they not?
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Keep going, sometimes they just disappear.
Oh, I read that I've shows. I like that.
You can't even find any more. It's crazy.
Well that that's scary. None of us want to disappear.
No please. Hey, Phil on firstly, right.
But some of the networks are taking them off streaming.
It's a crazy time right now. The landscape has shifted
hopefully in like a year or so when the rider stuff is worked
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out. And, and everybody, settles
things can go back to normal because I chose, I was watching
with my daughter and they disappeared.
We're like two episodes away from the finale and they're
like, where's the show? I'm search for nope.
Gone completely gone. So bizarre.
So yeah, yeah, how how do you gofrom being a TV producer and
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writer to traveling the globe? Eating food?
Well, Raymond was over. I tried to write more work but
the business had changed them. And and the kind of shows that
that I wanted to do, they didn'treally want and and the kind of
shows they wanted me to do. I didn't want to do.
And so for years and years, you know, I tried to I tried to Get
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shows old and I was kept striking out.
So I thought, what about this dream that I've had to do a food
and travel show, and it took me 10 years to get the show on the
air and at first, it was on PBS and I sold the show with one
line to that. After 10 years, I knew how to
sell the truck. I said, I'm exactly like,
Anthony Bourdain, if he was afraid of everything.
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Ha ha and they gave me six on the air and and then Netflix
came along and we changed the name from I'll have what Phil's
having which is the PBS one and two somebody feed film.
Were you always a traveler? Is that, you know, yes, yes.
What from? I never traveled anywhere.
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When I was kid, we couldn't afford it, but then I got a
cheap flight to Europe when I was 23 and it changed my life.
I thought, oh, this is what yourextra monies for once you can
pay rent and feed yourself that this is, this is what you do
with your extra money to see theworld.
This is the best thing. I dare say that we'd all be
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better off, if we could all experience a little bit of other
people's experiences. And so that's the real message
of the show. It's not even about the food,
I'm just using food and my stupid sense of humor to get you
to travel. But you kind of tapped into what
I was going to, I was going to bring that up.
Is that what I love about the show is that it proves that food
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and travel and learning about other people opens up.
You opens you up for to empathy and to understand and to, to see
things from a different perspective.
And so many of the world's problems would be solved if
people just get out and travel and not go to the go to your
standard, to go to restaurants, but go try and meet new people.
Learn about the food that he learn about who they are.
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In which is what you do and you bring that into the living room
for people who aren't maybe willing to do that yet, but I'm
hoping that that's that's opening the doors for people to
experience that are to try that on their own.
It's hard to hate anyone. Let alone be afraid of that
meeting. When you sit down and eat with
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them. Exactly.
Hey. When's the last time you had a
good meal and then you and then you punch the guy never can't
punch while you're eating, you're eating if to wash your
hands, first. I always say, food is the great
connector and then laughs are the cement.
I love that. That is awesome.
So true, you know, it's like really we should just go around
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to the, you grow around the country, bonded to that people
who like the most divided and toput up a table between them and
saying, Go eat. That's you bring something.
Will bring something and no phones.
No politics. Just talk.
Yeah, talk about your daily life.
By the way, it's okay. If you can't even talk about
politics, you can even do it. As long as you are sitting at a
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table together. You know, there was all this
talk by a certain fellow who wanted to build a wall, right?
And I always said instead of a wall, how about a table?
That's great. This is different thing.
After I know it's the answer just from experience.
Have you lied a lot of reactionsto you?
Haven't, you had people come up to you and told you their
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stories at all. Only every day you have any
culture. You mean stories about how they
watch the show or yes, how they watch the show, and how it's
affected them? It's unbelievable to me how many
different types of people aroundthe world.
I mean, and this is a testament to the reach of Netflix.
Right. My joke book is that to wake up
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at this age and suddenly find myself Harry Styles.
You know, it's kind of amazing. I can't believe little kids
really old people every color ofperson.
Every age they the show reflectsthem.
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That's what I love most about the show because we have every
type of person in the show. I love little kids.
I love old people. I love people.
Most people are very, very nice.You wouldn't know it if you
watch the news. because the new specializes in showing you the
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out of the ordinary Which is notso nice.
Right? Everything from a car crash to a
ride. They want to show, right?
If I told you did, you see what happened in Israel?
The Jew and the Arab they got together and they had lunch,
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that's not going to make the news.
Unfortunately but that's what happens, most of the time
otherwise we it would be non-stop fighting, but most
people want to get along most people.
Just want to be happy and healthy and they want their kids
to be happy and healthy. They want clean air food and
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water, you know, unless you're crazy.
This is what you want out of life, that's what it should be.
And I don't understand how your how that could how you can think
otherwise. I don't like it scares me who
those people are, and what drives them?
Yes, yes. But we live in a world now where
that's that's it's almost cultivated by the culture.
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I don't understand it. It scares me a little bit but I
also am optimistic because I think So many kids understand
what's right and wrong inherently even with all the
distractions that they have in the phone and God knows what
else. But I think, you know, it's that
inherent goodness that will saveus and hopefully they can change
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their parents. That's the thing.
Is people always say the reversebut you know what?
The the innocent ones are the ones who see it, right.
So sometimes you have to listen to those who have clear eyes, I
guess, you know what, it's only happened, every other time in
history. So That's why I'm optimistic
right? Just when things look like we've
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screwed up everything. Here comes the Next Generation
with better, run newer ideas outof their self-preservation.
Right? Very true.
Very true. Just show your reach.
I mentioned to my daughters. I'm speaking to fill and they
knew who you were by that alone.That's so nice.
My mother-in-law, she's gonna freak out.
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I didn't I couldn't tell her because she'd show up here and
be over my shoulder. He's gonna love it.
Tell her I said hi. I will, I will for sure.
I know I enjoyed a couple years ago, seeing you pop up on Curb,
Your Enthusiasm, playing a sort of send up version of yourself.
And I thought, I'm sure, you know, from what I can tell, you
know, it seems you're a little bit more down to earth than
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humble about the things that you're involved in.
Do you feel like you are really authentically yourself on this
show? Oh yeah, there's no acting I
really am. You know, I can't say that in in
I'm going to say real life because the show is real life
but in life when I'm not on camera, of course I'm a person I
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get said I get annoyed I get frustrated, I get distressed, I
get you know worried about everything else that everybody
else gets worried about what when I'm doing the show, why
shouldn't I be in a good mood? Just a very good gig.
Why shouldn't I be excited? When somebody's giving Me the
best food in the world. Yes, I'm very, very happy.
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That makes a lot of sense. A very grateful.
You guys are talking to the luckiest person you're ever
going to talk to, that's how I try.
I really believe that I know howlucky I am.
Yeah, it's pretty wonderful. You're wonderful attitude.
He, yeah, I wish this for everyone, this feeling.
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I know I want my show. It's I'm talking to Netflix
right now. Somebody please feed Steve.
It's found. That's it sounds good feet.
Deep sounds good. Almost better than somebody.
You need a sidekick. Let me know.
Do you have a location that you discovered on the show?
You would count among your favorites now?
Oh my God. You know, I'm in love with
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almost every place that we go because I see it in the best way
possible. With a lot of research behind me
and, and, and open doors to almost everywhere.
So, again, very, very lucky. So, I would go back to any of
the places that we have filmed. There's one this season that I
can't tell you about. That's among the most beautiful
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places on Earth. But, in past Seasons, I could
point to You know, Paris Venice Copenhagen Lisbon.
Just just absolutely spectacular.
Listen, I love Chicago and New Orleans, there's Great American
cities and New York, and la, andPortland, both Main and Oregon.
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These are gorgeous places that we have, right?
It's all around us, Mexico. I'm in love with Mexico.
I could go to Mexico all the time and I can because it's
right near me in LA That's great.
Yeah. And you, you were in my town, in
Jersey City, and now I can't getreservations at Raza.
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I mean, they don't even have anymore, it's all its first.
Come first, serve in the lines, out the door every day.
So thanks for nothing. But take branded they expanded
and you can go and off-hours like, think.
And that's the really that's notgood to go.
I have a tough time with children and all that.
So I typically. Yeah, yeah, no, it's hard.
Saturday afternoon. Evenings are my time which are
like, okay, you're not getting in.
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So if everybody, yeah. Yeah.
So your parents that were such awonderful part of the series and
I'm sorry about their passing. I understand that.
Thank you all too. Well, there's just something so
sweet about having them on the episodes.
What is it? Like, you know continuing this
without them I obviously it's hard to continue without them
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not just in the show but in reallife and I thought how do I
honor Their memory. And how do I make it okay for me
and the audience And I thought, what if?
I called my friends. And had them do a joke for for
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them. Especially my dad who did a
joke, every show when my mom passed and that was a way of
keeping him, you know, engaged and plus, by the way, very
funny. He was very funny.
Yeah. And You know, what means?
It means a lot. It keeps their memory alive and
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there's a message under there, too somewhere.
I think which is, Your friends do become your family.
Nobody's folks, last forever. And, and so your family, your
wife, your children are, obviously your immediate family.
but then your friends are your family, the people that you can
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spare events with and and Triumphs and tragedies with, you
know, that's the definition of family, isn't it?
The people you love and care about and care about you?
That's family. And so I think one of the points
of my show is that You have yourimmediate family, you have, then
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you have your extended family, and then you have the friends
that you meet along the way and that includes the whole world.
Right. So what if what if more people
looked at it that way, Well, it's great that you're showed
puts it out there because you know what?
Otherwise you have to come up with that idea on your own.
You don't get to travel, they don't get to meet people.
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And I have all these foods and experiences.
So putting the show out there. That's why I love it.
And I've interacted with you on,you probably don't know it.
But on Twitter a little bit justgrating how much I know how much
it means to me because of that because with all the negativity
in the world this is just some place that you can go to and
say, guess what? I'm going to I'm going to go,
I'm going to travel a different place.
I'm going to hear about different foods but I'm also
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going to be surrounded. Surrounded in pain.
Positivity, and it's just just awonderful thing.
So, thank you for that. Thank you for, for saying that
thank you for for, you know, allyou want.
When you put something out thereis to connect with somebody and
for them to get what you're trying to set.
So I loved meeting you because you seem like a kindred spirit.
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I didn't know we were until I until I met someone too and I
didn't get to eat the food but got to watch you, eat the fruits
and and and you, and love you. And by the way, the way you
inexperience food, the way you Like food is also just so
special, you can see like when you take that first bite like
fireworks are going off in your head.
It's like, it's wonderful. Another part of thank you, my
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friend. I really, I really appreciate
it. That's why I can't do the show
because my I just had this kind of deadpan face be like, nah, I
don't think he liked it. Yeah, I was I was blessed or
cursed with this face. I can't play poker.
Yeah, I have a good poker face, but that's about it.
So let me just you talk a lot. About family, and I think that
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you know, every Loves Raymond isa great example of that.
And it's funny to hear you mention 30 Rock and the office
as some of your favorites because I consider that like the
next wave of well-written situation comedies.
After Everybody Loves Raymond to, how do you see the show?
And how do you think it holds up?
I think it's two decades almost now since it ended.
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Yeah, just about. Yeah, we went off in. 2005.
Yes sir. Coming up on two decades.
Yeah. How do you, how do you see how
you see the showed you do? You feel like it's the kind of
series that can be on again? Now you can could be different
if it was on now or sort of perfect as it was, I think it
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hit at the right time. It was very it, you know.
I don't know if a show like thatcould even get on now.
We had trouble getting on the year we got on because it's not
sexy in any way, right? It's just it just happens to be
when they're good, the building blocks of Television, meaning
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the family sitcom, right? But there they they don't want
to put those shows on all the time.
They think they're too vanilla or something.
The trick is to make them not vanilla to make them a little
stretchy teller, which I would think Raymond was right with the
with the big piece of chocolate chips in them, right goodies for
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everybody jokes that work relationships, that work.
Yes, it's a it's a it's a familysitcom but hopefully it has Just
enough, heart and humor and smarts to work for people.
And these are when they hit there.
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They're the building blocks of the TV of the night of
television and then the network Excel itself.
But they don't, they don't do them that much anymore.
The next family sitcom to come along after us was five years
later was, was Modern, Family was the next big family sitcom
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hit. Isn't that crazy?
Yeah. Maybe she had a little stretch
after that. I think that started.
I think that kick started it again actually Patricia Heaton.
Show the middle was fantastic right but the night took a while
before there was something to watch in between, you know, the
funny thing is, I might have to call this episode my
mother-in-law, but my mother-in-law also loved
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Everybody Loves Raymond. She just do.
You watch Raymond, do so ii-i'vebeen a?
I mean, I should have had her sitting here, she would have
loved this. Well, I'd like to think that the
Sensibility Of of somebody feed Phil it's the same guy you know
my jokes on my jokes my my attitude is my attitude.
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Well I love I love the, I love the marriage jokes.
I was going to say, wife jokes, but yes and I do them but I am
usually the butt of the jokes. The husband jokes are just as
big as time. Sure, yeah.
It's great when it becomes very personal on somebody feet, feel
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when you bring the family and you connect it Beyond just the
food in the travel, but it becomes a personal.
Well, listen, it's, there's a touch of the sitcom in this
show, right? My brother likes to put me in
terrible situations where I hurtmyself and then, and, and then I
bring in my family, and then we have our real relationships and
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the way we talk to each other and of course, my parents, you
know, I got this from doing sitcoms.
You get very you get you want tobe as specific as you can be
because the God is in the details, we all relate to each
other specifics because our lives deal in specifics.
So even if yours isn't mine, youstill relate to the specifics of
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mine because you have your own wonderful.
Hey, I'm going to end with the three.
Questions are simple, question here and then just another
couple TV topics and we'll get you out of here.
So thank you. First question or last question.
about about this portion is three words to describe somebody
feed Phil Those are the three words.
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That's it. Alright, I guess it works very
deep. Yeah.
I'll let, I'll let you analyze it.
I will, I will sit down for a while good.
Talk to a therapist or somethingand then I love your theme song.
Is there a theme song that you can't fast forward when you're
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watching a show that you just can't fast forward?
Succession. That's on my list.
Why? What is it about it?
It's just a, such an evocative tune that, that becomes ear worm
in your Edge, you know, it just,it's wonderful.
It gets you in the mood for thatshow, which I think is one of
the best shows ever on television.
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It's just wonderful, but I have to say the song that I wrote
with Lake Street Dive and they really they really made it
Shine. I think it's as catchy as
everyone else thinks. It's a lot of fun.
They they're they're wonderful Lake Street, Dive and final
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question. If you could live in one TV,
show, forever, popping in and out whenever you want you to see
family and all that, which show would it be and why?
My show. I can't imagine a better show
live in the, my show. You truly are the luckiest guy.
Oh yeah. Like I wouldn't trade with
anybody. Look what I get to do and 477
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Seasons now, which is even better.
You know, it's like credible. Unbelievable.
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We really appreciated having youhere.
We love your work. Thank you.
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Let's make some room on the TV topics couch because today,
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He played poker with Larry Davidon Curb Your Enthusiasm.
He handed out to tension on who Shot Pat.
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He convinced the world that Everybody Loves Raymond and he's
currently starring on his own travel and food.
Show one that I truly love somebody feed fill which has
been renewed for a seventh season, a Netflix.
Welcome to TV topics, the incredible, incredibly talented,
and very hungry. Phil Rosenthal.
Wow, I might be one of those things.
I think you're all of them, different errors that are
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different parts of your life. Yes.
Okay, so before we get into somebody feed Phil, we're going
to start off with our TV topics questions.
There's again no pressure just discussing your life and TV and
we'll start with this one. What is your relationship in
with TV looking back over the years?
Are your TV, Junkie who watches everything is more selective.
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You look go to shows My parents used to say to me more than
anything else in my life go outside.
Because I was such a TV Junkie. I they said I would watch a test
pattern. I loved it so much.
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And for me, you know, I was small and and I would get picked
on a lot. So watching TV was so much safer
than going outside and and I just fell in love with, you
know, so many shows like Honeymooners reruns and then it
literally any thing I would watch I would watch.
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All the shows of the 1960s that would like Green Acres and you
know, I Dream of Jeannie and bewitched and and then I started
to really fall in love with shows like the Dick Van Dyke
Show and then all my family cameon and changed everything.
And then, all those shows that came after like Mary, Tyler
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Moore, and Bob, Newhart and cow Burnett.
And I've just been in love with it, my whole life and so, so
when it came time for me to write for TV, I just inherently
know how to do it because it wasin my blood But the timing of
that comedic timing I, you know,I find myself.
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If you watch a show with other people other people, you share
those kind of moments. You don't have to say something.
Sometimes you start at the otherperson finishes it and I think
that sounds like the same with your writing it's like connected
to you. I think so.
I think as long as it as long asit sounds believable, you know
there are shows where You can only hear the writer.
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And I always was attracted to shows where you could hear the
character where the character seem believable, all the
families like a perfect example,that Archie's lines could only
come from Archie. Mike's lines can only come from
Mike Edith's lines, could only come from eat it, right?
And and so it was with the Mary Tyler Moore Show, and the other
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shows that I love, like The Odd Couple Oscar would never say a
line that Felix would say and vice versa.
There are some shows where it sounds like bragging it sounds
like the guy riding it instead of a believable character.
To me, everybody has different tastes but there are certain
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shows that that really work. And there non-stop jokes.
But if you're going to live by that sword, you're going to die
by that sort. But a great example of a show
that had amazing jokes and was almost sketch like, but because
the jokes were so great, you didn't care that, it wasn't 100%
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believable, was 30 Rock. Because they had phenomenal
great show. The office is one of my all-time
favorite shows. You know, I was, I've been in
love with so many shows, I can'teven, I can't even count them
all. I'm Joe honored to even be in
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the business with, with these great.
Do you have one Primetime show that would kind of Define your
childhood? One like go to I guess The
Honeymooners Honeymooners classic nothing made me laugh
harder as a child and that the Istill laugh at this old age at
those shows, they're just So funny to me, I can see it.
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I mean, I think that's the test of time in comedy comedy that
the subsequent subjects can change, and the times can
change, but funny is funny. Yeah, it's like, as long as
you're not cruel, funny is funny.
They were also, they didn't do anything topical.
Really. So that the all the, all the
humor was based in character andrelationships, which are
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Timeless. And and by relationships, I
mean, like in The Honeymooners, for example, a man and his wife
Amanda Man and his best friend, right?
A man, trying to get ahead in life.
When he has a terrible job, he'stheir Universal things.
Timeless thing very true on the opposite.
Side of the spectrum, is there ashow or what is this show that
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last made? You cry.
Oh, I cry all the time. I cry.
I cried that. There's an episode of The
Honeymooners that makes me cry. I wrote about in my book where
Ed Norton is hurt at work and hethey just had a fight.
Ralph and Norton. And a Ralph didn't want to see
him anymore as we're not friendsanymore.
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And so it goes bowling with somebody else.
And, and Norton goes to work instead of bowling and Norton's,
very upset, but he goes to work.And then Ralph gets a message
right before he's going to go bowling.
That Norton was hurt. and I justlost it as a child, I couldn't
believe because I loved Art Carney as Ed Norton.
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I couldn't believe all they. All these guys did was make me
laugh and, and to think that he was hurt.
It got to me or when something happened to Edith Bunker.
You know. There was a famous, there was a
famous episode of All in the Family.
Where you actually thought that she might get raped, Edith,
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Bunker. Well, I don't, I don't think
I've ever lost it more. When she gets out of it by
throwing a cake from the oven inthe guy's face and escapes.
I mean, the, the cheer from thatstudio audience rokk, the meter,
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the sound meter. It went, the sound was so huge
that you heard this Roar and then go to like white noise for
a second. Like it blanked out the mic in
the in the studio and then when it came back it was just amazing
Roar. Because you cared so much about
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this character, this fictional character on TV.
It taught me such a great lesson.
You can't have the very special episode every episode, right?
First. But once in a while, if you
throw in a little bit of Brahma,which is the stuff of life, none
of us are haha, funny, all the time, right?
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We have real things happen to us.
And when you do that in your show, if you trust the audience
to go with you there, R. It's so powerful and it does
something else to first of all, it can grounds you to the
character or grounds the character and it, and it, and it
strengthens your bond with the character.
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And it sets you up for the next big laugh out of contrast.
Right. It sounds like you should work
in writing and television. Hey well it was it was quite the
lesson. It was quite the lesson that I
got a very young. I got it when I was you know
these shows I'm talking about I was watching when I was a child
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literally child. I remember all those, I mean we
used to watch. It was a UHF.
That's where you see, I found those huh?
It was like coming home from school.
Yeah, late afternoon. Early evening.
You'd have a stretch of what wasit Green Acres?
And and Gilligan's Island. I Dream of Jeannie.
The Jeffersons all you know Archie Bunker, what's it all in
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the family, my family and you know it's it was a good thing.
I'm happy because I think I havea very good sense of humor.
I like to laugh and those thingskind of really are some of the
best examples of Comedy. I think out there agree and the
great they'll be playing in 50, more years.
Yeah. That, that episode of The
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Honeymooners reminds me of it should be called the bowlers of
in a Sheeran. Ha ha ha.
That's right. That's right.
So let's take a break from the TV topics and jump into somebody
feed Phil sure. So first of all, I want to say
how much I love this show. I just found it by chance.
I was watching it. I had my mother-in-law over
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said, let's put something on forthe family and I like, and it's
always very tricky because things are either too adult for
the kids or my mother-in-law or somebody just doesn't There's
always somebody who doesn't. Who's like, nah, not me.
This one. Everyone loved and I, we went
through. I don't know how many episodes
the first night, then again, thenext weekend and then I was
like, oh, we're done. And I was so worried.
I'm like, when they have to renew this and now we're on
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season six and seven on the way.So congratulations.
I just thank you, thankful for it.
All right, I didn't know, but we're one of the longest-running
shows now and Netflix history. I didn't, you know, for me, I
come from the old school. Raymond was on for nine years.
I thought if it works it keeps going but that's not the way the
world is anymore. Not only do they not?
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Keep going, sometimes they just disappear.
Oh, I read that I've shows. I like that.
You can't even find any more. It's crazy.
Well that that's scary. None of us want to disappear.
No please. Hey, Phil on firstly, right.
But some of the networks are taking them off streaming.
It's a crazy time right now. The landscape has shifted
hopefully in like a year or so when the rider stuff is worked
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out. And, and everybody, settles
things can go back to normal because I chose, I was watching
with my daughter and they disappeared.
We're like two episodes away from the finale and they're
like, where's the show? I'm search for nope.
Gone completely gone. So bizarre.
So yeah, yeah, how how do you gofrom being a TV producer and
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writer to traveling the globe? Eating food?
Well, Raymond was over. I tried to write more work but
the business had changed them. And and the kind of shows that
that I wanted to do, they didn'treally want and and the kind of
shows they wanted me to do. I didn't want to do.
And so for years and years, you know, I tried to I tried to Get
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shows old and I was kept striking out.
So I thought, what about this dream that I've had to do a food
and travel show, and it took me 10 years to get the show on the
air and at first, it was on PBS and I sold the show with one
line to that. After 10 years, I knew how to
sell the truck. I said, I'm exactly like,
Anthony Bourdain, if he was afraid of everything.
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Ha ha and they gave me six on the air and and then Netflix
came along and we changed the name from I'll have what Phil's
having which is the PBS one and two somebody feed film.
Were you always a traveler? Is that, you know, yes, yes.
What from? I never traveled anywhere.
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When I was kid, we couldn't afford it, but then I got a
cheap flight to Europe when I was 23 and it changed my life.
I thought, oh, this is what yourextra monies for once you can
pay rent and feed yourself that this is, this is what you do
with your extra money to see theworld.
This is the best thing. I dare say that we'd all be
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better off, if we could all experience a little bit of other
people's experiences. And so that's the real message
of the show. It's not even about the food,
I'm just using food and my stupid sense of humor to get you
to travel. But you kind of tapped into what
I was going to, I was going to bring that up.
Is that what I love about the show is that it proves that food
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and travel and learning about other people opens up.
You opens you up for to empathy and to understand and to, to see
things from a different perspective.
And so many of the world's problems would be solved if
people just get out and travel and not go to the go to your
standard, to go to restaurants, but go try and meet new people.
Learn about the food that he learn about who they are.
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In which is what you do and you bring that into the living room
for people who aren't maybe willing to do that yet, but I'm
hoping that that's that's opening the doors for people to
experience that are to try that on their own.
It's hard to hate anyone. Let alone be afraid of that
meeting. When you sit down and eat with
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them. Exactly.
Hey. When's the last time you had a
good meal and then you and then you punch the guy never can't
punch while you're eating, you're eating if to wash your
hands, first. I always say, food is the great
connector and then laughs are the cement.
I love that. That is awesome.
So true, you know, it's like really we should just go around
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to the, you grow around the country, bonded to that people
who like the most divided and toput up a table between them and
saying, Go eat. That's you bring something.
Will bring something and no phones.
No politics. Just talk.
Yeah, talk about your daily life.
By the way, it's okay. If you can't even talk about
politics, you can even do it. As long as you are sitting at a
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table together. You know, there was all this
talk by a certain fellow who wanted to build a wall, right?
And I always said instead of a wall, how about a table?
That's great. This is different thing.
After I know it's the answer just from experience.
Have you lied a lot of reactionsto you?
Haven't, you had people come up to you and told you their
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stories at all. Only every day you have any
culture. You mean stories about how they
watch the show or yes, how they watch the show, and how it's
affected them? It's unbelievable to me how many
different types of people aroundthe world.
I mean, and this is a testament to the reach of Netflix.
Right. My joke book is that to wake up
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at this age and suddenly find myself Harry Styles.
You know, it's kind of amazing. I can't believe little kids
really old people every color ofperson.
Every age they the show reflectsthem.
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That's what I love most about the show because we have every
type of person in the show. I love little kids.
I love old people. I love people.
Most people are very, very nice.You wouldn't know it if you
watch the news. because the new specializes in showing you the
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out of the ordinary Which is notso nice.
Right? Everything from a car crash to a
ride. They want to show, right?
If I told you did, you see what happened in Israel?
The Jew and the Arab they got together and they had lunch,
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that's not going to make the news.
Unfortunately but that's what happens, most of the time
otherwise we it would be non-stop fighting, but most
people want to get along most people.
Just want to be happy and healthy and they want their kids
to be happy and healthy. They want clean air food and
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water, you know, unless you're crazy.
This is what you want out of life, that's what it should be.
And I don't understand how your how that could how you can think
otherwise. I don't like it scares me who
those people are, and what drives them?
Yes, yes. But we live in a world now where
that's that's it's almost cultivated by the culture.
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I don't understand it. It scares me a little bit but I
also am optimistic because I think So many kids understand
what's right and wrong inherently even with all the
distractions that they have in the phone and God knows what
else. But I think, you know, it's that
inherent goodness that will saveus and hopefully they can change
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their parents. That's the thing.
Is people always say the reversebut you know what?
The the innocent ones are the ones who see it, right.
So sometimes you have to listen to those who have clear eyes, I
guess, you know what, it's only happened, every other time in
history. So That's why I'm optimistic
right? Just when things look like we've
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screwed up everything. Here comes the Next Generation
with better, run newer ideas outof their self-preservation.
Right? Very true.
Very true. Just show your reach.
I mentioned to my daughters. I'm speaking to fill and they
knew who you were by that alone.That's so nice.
My mother-in-law, she's gonna freak out.
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I didn't I couldn't tell her because she'd show up here and
be over my shoulder. He's gonna love it.
Tell her I said hi. I will, I will for sure.
I know I enjoyed a couple years ago, seeing you pop up on Curb,
Your Enthusiasm, playing a sort of send up version of yourself.
And I thought, I'm sure, you know, from what I can tell, you
know, it seems you're a little bit more down to earth than
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humble about the things that you're involved in.
Do you feel like you are really authentically yourself on this
show? Oh yeah, there's no acting I
really am. You know, I can't say that in in
I'm going to say real life because the show is real life
but in life when I'm not on camera, of course I'm a person I
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get said I get annoyed I get frustrated, I get distressed, I
get you know worried about everything else that everybody
else gets worried about what when I'm doing the show, why
shouldn't I be in a good mood? Just a very good gig.
Why shouldn't I be excited? When somebody's giving Me the
best food in the world. Yes, I'm very, very happy.
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That makes a lot of sense. A very grateful.
You guys are talking to the luckiest person you're ever
going to talk to, that's how I try.
I really believe that I know howlucky I am.
Yeah, it's pretty wonderful. You're wonderful attitude.
He, yeah, I wish this for everyone, this feeling.
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I know I want my show. It's I'm talking to Netflix
right now. Somebody please feed Steve.
It's found. That's it sounds good feet.
Deep sounds good. Almost better than somebody.
You need a sidekick. Let me know.
Do you have a location that you discovered on the show?
You would count among your favorites now?
Oh my God. You know, I'm in love with
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almost every place that we go because I see it in the best way
possible. With a lot of research behind me
and, and, and open doors to almost everywhere.
So, again, very, very lucky. So, I would go back to any of
the places that we have filmed. There's one this season that I
can't tell you about. That's among the most beautiful
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places on Earth. But, in past Seasons, I could
point to You know, Paris Venice Copenhagen Lisbon.
Just just absolutely spectacular.
Listen, I love Chicago and New Orleans, there's Great American
cities and New York, and la, andPortland, both Main and Oregon.
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These are gorgeous places that we have, right?
It's all around us, Mexico. I'm in love with Mexico.
I could go to Mexico all the time and I can because it's
right near me in LA That's great.
Yeah. And you, you were in my town, in
Jersey City, and now I can't getreservations at Raza.
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I mean, they don't even have anymore, it's all its first.
Come first, serve in the lines, out the door every day.
So thanks for nothing. But take branded they expanded
and you can go and off-hours like, think.
And that's the really that's notgood to go.
I have a tough time with children and all that.
So I typically. Yeah, yeah, no, it's hard.
Saturday afternoon. Evenings are my time which are
like, okay, you're not getting in.
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So if everybody, yeah. Yeah.
So your parents that were such awonderful part of the series and
I'm sorry about their passing. I understand that.
Thank you all too. Well, there's just something so
sweet about having them on the episodes.
What is it? Like, you know continuing this
without them I obviously it's hard to continue without them
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not just in the show but in reallife and I thought how do I
honor Their memory. And how do I make it okay for me
and the audience And I thought, what if?
I called my friends. And had them do a joke for for
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them. Especially my dad who did a
joke, every show when my mom passed and that was a way of
keeping him, you know, engaged and plus, by the way, very
funny. He was very funny.
Yeah. And You know, what means?
It means a lot. It keeps their memory alive and
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there's a message under there, too somewhere.
I think which is, Your friends do become your family.
Nobody's folks, last forever. And, and so your family, your
wife, your children are, obviously your immediate family.
but then your friends are your family, the people that you can
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spare events with and and Triumphs and tragedies with, you
know, that's the definition of family, isn't it?
The people you love and care about and care about you?
That's family. And so I think one of the points
of my show is that You have yourimmediate family, you have, then
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you have your extended family, and then you have the friends
that you meet along the way and that includes the whole world.
Right. So what if what if more people
looked at it that way, Well, it's great that you're showed
puts it out there because you know what?
Otherwise you have to come up with that idea on your own.
You don't get to travel, they don't get to meet people.
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And I have all these foods and experiences.
So putting the show out there. That's why I love it.
And I've interacted with you on,you probably don't know it.
But on Twitter a little bit justgrating how much I know how much
it means to me because of that because with all the negativity
in the world this is just some place that you can go to and
say, guess what? I'm going to I'm going to go,
I'm going to travel a different place.
I'm going to hear about different foods but I'm also
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going to be surrounded. Surrounded in pain.
Positivity, and it's just just awonderful thing.
So, thank you for that. Thank you for, for saying that
thank you for for, you know, allyou want.
When you put something out thereis to connect with somebody and
for them to get what you're trying to set.
So I loved meeting you because you seem like a kindred spirit.
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I didn't know we were until I until I met someone too and I
didn't get to eat the food but got to watch you, eat the fruits
and and and you, and love you. And by the way, the way you
inexperience food, the way you Like food is also just so
special, you can see like when you take that first bite like
fireworks are going off in your head.
It's like, it's wonderful. Another part of thank you, my
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friend. I really, I really appreciate
it. That's why I can't do the show
because my I just had this kind of deadpan face be like, nah, I
don't think he liked it. Yeah, I was I was blessed or
cursed with this face. I can't play poker.
Yeah, I have a good poker face, but that's about it.
So let me just you talk a lot. About family, and I think that
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you know, every Loves Raymond isa great example of that.
And it's funny to hear you mention 30 Rock and the office
as some of your favorites because I consider that like the
next wave of well-written situation comedies.
After Everybody Loves Raymond to, how do you see the show?
And how do you think it holds up?
I think it's two decades almost now since it ended.
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Yeah, just about. Yeah, we went off in. 2005.
Yes sir. Coming up on two decades.
Yeah. How do you, how do you see how
you see the showed you do? You feel like it's the kind of
series that can be on again? Now you can could be different
if it was on now or sort of perfect as it was, I think it
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hit at the right time. It was very it, you know.
I don't know if a show like thatcould even get on now.
We had trouble getting on the year we got on because it's not
sexy in any way, right? It's just it just happens to be
when they're good, the building blocks of Television, meaning
(26:59):
the family sitcom, right? But there they they don't want
to put those shows on all the time.
They think they're too vanilla or something.
The trick is to make them not vanilla to make them a little
stretchy teller, which I would think Raymond was right with the
with the big piece of chocolate chips in them, right goodies for
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everybody jokes that work relationships, that work.
Yes, it's a it's a it's a familysitcom but hopefully it has Just
enough, heart and humor and smarts to work for people.
And these are when they hit there.
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They're the building blocks of the TV of the night of
television and then the network Excel itself.
But they don't, they don't do them that much anymore.
The next family sitcom to come along after us was five years
later was, was Modern, Family was the next big family sitcom
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hit. Isn't that crazy?
Yeah. Maybe she had a little stretch
after that. I think that started.
I think that kick started it again actually Patricia Heaton.
Show the middle was fantastic right but the night took a while
before there was something to watch in between, you know, the
funny thing is, I might have to call this episode my
mother-in-law, but my mother-in-law also loved
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Everybody Loves Raymond. She just do.
You watch Raymond, do so ii-i'vebeen a?
I mean, I should have had her sitting here, she would have
loved this. Well, I'd like to think that the
Sensibility Of of somebody feed Phil it's the same guy you know
my jokes on my jokes my my attitude is my attitude.
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Well I love I love the, I love the marriage jokes.
I was going to say, wife jokes, but yes and I do them but I am
usually the butt of the jokes. The husband jokes are just as
big as time. Sure, yeah.
It's great when it becomes very personal on somebody feet, feel
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when you bring the family and you connect it Beyond just the
food in the travel, but it becomes a personal.
Well, listen, it's, there's a touch of the sitcom in this
show, right? My brother likes to put me in
terrible situations where I hurtmyself and then, and, and then I
bring in my family, and then we have our real relationships and
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the way we talk to each other and of course, my parents, you
know, I got this from doing sitcoms.
You get very you get you want tobe as specific as you can be
because the God is in the details, we all relate to each
other specifics because our lives deal in specifics.
So even if yours isn't mine, youstill relate to the specifics of
(29:56):
mine because you have your own wonderful.
Hey, I'm going to end with the three.
Questions are simple, question here and then just another
couple TV topics and we'll get you out of here.
So thank you. First question or last question.
about about this portion is three words to describe somebody
feed Phil Those are the three words.
(30:20):
That's it. Alright, I guess it works very
deep. Yeah.
I'll let, I'll let you analyze it.
I will, I will sit down for a while good.
Talk to a therapist or somethingand then I love your theme song.
Is there a theme song that you can't fast forward when you're
(30:42):
watching a show that you just can't fast forward?
Succession. That's on my list.
Why? What is it about it?
It's just a, such an evocative tune that, that becomes ear worm
in your Edge, you know, it just,it's wonderful.
It gets you in the mood for thatshow, which I think is one of
the best shows ever on television.
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It's just wonderful, but I have to say the song that I wrote
with Lake Street Dive and they really they really made it
Shine. I think it's as catchy as
everyone else thinks. It's a lot of fun.
They they're they're wonderful Lake Street, Dive and final
(31:24):
question. If you could live in one TV,
show, forever, popping in and out whenever you want you to see
family and all that, which show would it be and why?
My show. I can't imagine a better show
live in the, my show. You truly are the luckiest guy.
Oh yeah. Like I wouldn't trade with
anybody. Look what I get to do and 477
(31:46):
Seasons now, which is even better.
You know, it's like credible. Unbelievable.
Well, thank you so much for yourtime.
We really appreciated having youhere.
We love your work. Thank you.
Thanks for being on TV topics. Have a great day.
I love doing it. Nice to meet you.
Both nice meeting you as well. Nice to meet you.
To take care of. All right, my friends, you take
care? Fine, I'm here by now, make sure
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follow us both on Twitter a towards radar and Abe, can you
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Follow me on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and Twitter
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