[AI Series] What Happens When Everyone Has Access to AI? | Manuj Aggarwal - Unfinished Business with Eric Mulvin

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Eric Mulvin (00:00):
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All right.
I am very excited to bring toyou guys our next guest.
He is a founder and chiefinnovation officer of Tetra
Noodle Technologies, an elite AIengineering company.
With a remarkable track recordof driving transformative

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change, he, through TetraNoodle, has touched at least 10
million lives and generated over$500 million in value through
his expertise in technology andAI.
His AI implementationframeworks have been
peer-reviewed and published inthe Mensa Research Journal, a
prestigious science journal bythe Mensa Foundation, an

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organization responsible for IQresearch.
He has shared his insights atvenues like Cornell University
and the United Nations,alongside distinguished figures
like the Secretary General andNobel Peace Prize winners.
While Barack, our PresidentObama, and Bill Gates have
recognized his work.
With four AI patents to hisname, he is the perfect mentor

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to guide you through thetransformative potential of AI
and its benefits for business.
Join us and discover thelimitless possibilities of AI
under the guidance of thisvisionary master influencer.
Ladies and gentlemen, pleasehelp me welcome Manuj.

Manuj Aggarwal (03:01):
Hey, thank you so much.
Wow.
Yeah, that was a great intro.
Thank you so much.

Yeah, thank you.
I'm glad to have you on theshow.
And a little background for youguys when I do have a guest
that we have some backgroundtogether.
I've gotten to know Manuj overthe years.
And although I don't know if Imentioned your name directly,
but I've talked about us workingtogether in the past because I
will credit him for being theperson that pushed me into AI,

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which is you know, you talkabout the millions of lives that
you've impacted.
And I could say that everyonein my company has been impacted
by my push into AI, and that'sthanks to you.
So thank you, thank you, thankyou, thank you.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

But yeah, so what an incredible background you
have.
And as I had mentioned beforewhen we weren't recording here,
that man, I known you for years,and I didn't know that some of
your background of like what theimpact you've had with your AI
and where you've been able totake it.
And we haven't talked in acouple years too.
So I'm excited to catch up withyou and uh and share with the

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audience today some of yourexperience and expertise on on
AI.

Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, no, I mean, you know, wewe meet a lot of people uh in
everyday walk of life, andobviously, as you get to know,
many people surprise you withwhat they have done.
I mean, you are doing amazingwork, you're helping so many
people in and touching theirlives in direct or indirect
ways, helping them to get totheir doctors, helping them get

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to their you know, hospitalvisits or what have you.
So we all create impact in ourown ways, right?
Yep, exactly.

So yeah, uh, and you know, it's amazing if you
start to really think aboutwhere, you know, how how your
what you've you help peopleunderstand with AI, you know,
the benefits of that are so farreaching.
And I guess you don't if youstop to really think about it
like man, because I mean some ofthe stuff we're doing in our

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company now with AI, it's yeah,which we're helping people like
that, but there's AI behind thescenes that is helping empower
people.
And you know, it's a I I know Iwouldn't have gotten into it as
early as I did because you wereon me.
Like every when Chat GPT firstblew up, I mean it was out for a
while, but when it reallystarted getting popular, I
remember Manoj, you were likeevery day, you're like, You got

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to you've got to be on there,you gotta start using it,
exactly.
And and you didn't give up.
So so thank you for that.
But well, so what where couldwe start here?
You know, being that you're I Ilook I feel like a pioneer in
the AI space, let's go back.
Like a lot of people look at AIand they think now especially,

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they just think of like therecent era.
But AI has been a thing forsome time, and I know you've
been involved with it for sometime, right?

Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, look,technologies they don't like
come out of the woodwork on dayone and become popular.
Like so AI as a fundamentaltechnology has been around since
1960s, okay?
And then as the internet camealong, around 1990s, it started
to become more kind of useful,but it needed a lot of

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expertise, a lot of technologyinfrastructure.
So people with resources, theystarted to take advantage of
this technology earlier on, likeduring the 1990s.
So the richest people you seeon the Forbes list today, right?
Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos or whathave you, you can directly tie

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their wealth to when theystarted using technology in this
way in their companies.
And then I started working withit in 2005.
It was still quite early days,like we had a lot of challenges,
but we were able to build somemeaningful technologies which
helped students, which helpedpatients, which helped, you

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know, many people like trulyachieve a good life in whatever
they were trying to do, youknow, whether to get a degree,
whether to, you know, heal theirjoint pains, whatever.
So AI was is is a is a is avery flexible technology that
can be applied anywhere.
It's almost like electricity,right?
And then uh now in 2022,something happened where the

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entry to this AI world wasreduced to the minimum, meaning
anybody can use it.
You didn't need PhD in computerscience, you didn't need like a
lot of computers to run youralgorithms, and that is sort of
the revolution we are goingthrough right now, where
everybody can use AI to theiradvantage, right?
And what will come next, inmany cases we don't we cannot

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even imagine.
Of course, I can share myinsights where things may be
heading, but we are in unchartedterritory almost because never
before in human history we'vehad a phenomena that's such a
powerful technology can be usedby anyone, even kids.

Yeah, I mean I I talk about that with my team
where it's like when have youever had a technology be the one
that also teaches you how touse it and implement it?
And it's like your Google Gmaildid not do that with email, you
know, it didn't you couldn'task it questions and it tells
you how to send emails or how todo a mass email blast.

Yeah.

So so yeah, it's it's amazing what you've been
able to do with uh with that,and man, that's crazy how early
on that you got involved withit.
Uh so back to your company,Tetra Noodle.
Tell me more about that.
How long has it been around fornow, and uh what is it that uh
you guys do to help companies?

Yeah, so we have been around for 25 years.
Okay, so I started my companyin back in 2001 after the
dot-com bust happened.
Like, so it's the story behindit.
Is just quickly, I moved toCanada in 1998 and got a job in
technology very quickly becauseof the dot-com boom time, but
then in 2000 until around thattime frame, in 2001, I had lost

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four jobs.
So I ca I was like kind offorced to start a company.
So, what we do is we maketechnology easy and scalable for
people and secure for people.
So anytime people have atechnology at their hand,
whether that was the internet,then the mobile phone, now AI, a
lot of people can do a lot ofthings themselves, but it's

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almost like you are able toscratch the surface, but you're
not able to go deep into thetechnology and really take
advantage of what this what anytechnology is able to give you.
So our focus is okay, weunderstand the client, what they
want to achieve, and then helpthem achieve that using

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technology, using our products,using our uh services.

All right.
And man, you've had to adapt alot over the 25 years, I'm
guessing, because I well, firstof all, I guess I was like still
in high school at the time whenyou started your company, but I
think back on how I've had toreinvent myself over and over
again.
And man, if you're in thisspace now, it's like the stuff
that you learned yesterday couldbe obsolete today, right?

(10:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think you know what like uh I
say to people, this may be acliche, but if you find your
passion, then it doesn't matterwhat the environment is doing.
You're you're just like havingfun.
Uh if uh if you're like I enjoytechnology, so it's not
learning for me as much as it'slike a hobby, it's like a play,
you know?

Yeah, yeah, that is very true.
And good advice for people whoare watching, you know, get into
something you've loved becausewhen those there's some dark
days for entrepreneurship.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
You need that motivation tokeep going and not give up.

Not just entrepreneurs, everyone.
I mean, life is not easy forfor anyone.

Yeah, that's that's very true.
What got you into this?
I mean, like what got youinspired to start a company and
be in technology in the firstplace?

Well, I just love technology because here is
the thing, like I'm anintrovert, and I think I I think
we have like in our privateconversations kind of like
shared our stories.
I think we both are introverts.
I don't want to like assume foryou, but I am an introvert.
And initially, I I've I reallylike the concept of getting a
machine to do your work and youdon't have to talk to anybody

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else, right?
So I was like, okay, this isfantastic.
I can just yell at the machine,say whatever I want to say, but
it's not gonna talk back, butit's going to like do what I ask
you to do.
By the way, what the work I do,I can just copy it on somebody
else's computer.
You know, back then we used tohave these uh floppy floppy
drives.
So I can write a program, I cancopy it on a floppy drive, I

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can give it to someone withoutexchange of too many words, and
they can solve their problem.
That was fantastic for me.
So that was the that was stilltoday, that is the whole idea
behind my drive towardstechnology.
Okay, you know, we buildtechnology that helps people and
it scales.
And the company is a vehicle todo that.

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You know, so yes, I was in ajob seeking security, but we
know life is not secure.
I learned that earlier on.
And so now my opinion, and thiscould be triggering for some
people, I think salary is like adrug that you know people take

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to feel secure, but actuallythere is no security.

So that is an interesting concept for
especially those peoplelistening that are thinking
about starting a business, theyprobably feel it the most that
it's a drug and it's hard to getoff of because you yeah, that
that false sense of security,especially these days.
You you see it in the jobmarket, you know, uh people are

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less loyal than ever tocompanies because companies are
not loyal to their employees.
Like I know back in the day, Imean, my dad, you know, think of
the era that he would work in,you know, where people have
their pension, they stay at acareer for the same company for
30 years, you got the people whomoved up from janitor to you

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know leader, don't really hearthose stories too often anymore.
That's like from back in theday.
Correct.
So, but yeah, but I I think thejob market maybe still hasn't
caught up.
You feel like, oh, I need thatsalary, and I need to uh it's
hard for them to get off ofthat.
So, how have you helpedcompanies find that security and

(14:03):
entrepreneurship or maybe usingtechnology?
Because I know that's a big wayto help people get there.

Yeah, yeah.
You know, the thing is like uhI I one of the things about me
is like I I geek out on historyand anthropology to see like
what what other people have donebefore us, right?
And what I find is even if youare on salary or you have a
business, we all want to achievebigger and bigger goals, okay?

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And we only have 24 hours in aday, everybody has 24 hours in a
day.
So, what can help you achieve abigger goal?
Either it is your contacts oryour intelligence or your
resources or technology that canspeed things up and do the

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repetitive things for you, butmost people are not able to
figure out the intricacies ofthese technologies.
For example, I have a nice carthat I drive, but if it breaks
down, I have no idea how to fixit.
Right?
So I have to have a specialistwho can do it quickly.

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Now, if I say, you know what,come h come, you know, like no
matter what happens, I'll figureout how to fix my car.
I can I can figure it out, I'msure.
You know, it will take me maybea year, two years to figure out
the whole thing, but I can doit.
But why will I like you knowtake it upon myself to learn how

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to fix the car where I can goand hire an expert to do it?
So my point is that utilizingsomeone someone's expertise or
products that have already beentried and tested gives you the
edge over your competitors.
And so that's how we help otherpeople by leveraging this big

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lever that is now available tous, which is technology.

Yeah, yep, and you're able to do that in
amazing ways.
I know some of the work you'vedone working with Fortune 500
executives, helping them learnhow they could use it in their
organization.
And I could tell you, someonewho I took it upon myself to
teach my organization AI,because there was nobody in the

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Philippines that was doing that,right?
Like they hear the headlines,like, oh my gosh, AI is gonna
take away all these call centerjobs, and for people in the
Philippines, it's theirlifeblood, so they're scared,
but then no one's there teachingthem how to use it.
Like it was the first time theywere all getting exposed to it
was when we started teachingthem that.
And then it you'd think, oh,you give them this tool and go

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figure it out, you know.
You could you go run with it.
But no, you it's it takes asupport system, it takes it
takes some effort to get peopleto start adopting these
technologies, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Exactly.
Uh yeah, absolutely right.
But but the thing is you gainthe advantage.
That's an investment you aremaking in your future, in the in
your uh team's future, and itwill pay off huge because
imagine like if somebody startedI can I literally have so many

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friends who started buildingwebsites when they like in 1996.
That's all they did, just plainwebsites, and they're
multimillionaires, right?
Just because they were theyfigured out a skill that other
people needed.

Yeah.
I built websites in 96.
I'm not a multimillionaire.
What happened?
No, but I mean I I do creditthat to being the thing that got
me into it today, is like Itaught myself HTML, and uh you
know, I was able to see whattechnology can do.
Because like back then, youknow, like it was for an

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organization, we had tocommunicate stuff out to
everyone, and no one in theorganization took advantage of
this.
I'm like, look at this websiteI put together.
Yeah, you don't have to tellanybody anything, they could
just go to the website, get theinformation, they could download
pictures, and I mean now AI islike that times infinity in what
you're able to do for yourorganization.

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I speaking of like startups andyou know, people who are able
to grow things, you know,multimillionaire people who
built websites, but one of theideas that I that you always had
talked about, and I'm curiousif you still have this belief,
you kept saying that there willbe a day in the future where
there's a a publicly tradedcompany with one employee.

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And I'm wondering, do you stillbelieve that?
Or do you feel like uh Yeah,yeah, yeah.

I I mean it's already happened, right?
Like it's already happened.
Multiple companies are beingsold for hundreds of millions of
dollars for with one employee.
Yeah, like yeah, I mean, justgo uh Google it and you'll find
out.
I mean, literally, this guyMark Zuckerberg is paying a
salary of one billion dollars tosome experts that he hired.

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So a billion dollar salary ayear.
Yeah.
So it's already happening.
Absolutely, it has happened.
Cool.
So you know, I think Elon Muskpaid $60 billion to a company
cursor.
And it was like maybe like 16months old company.

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I think two people started it.
$60 billion.

Wow, that's crazy.
Yeah, I actually didn't know.
I haven't been keeping up withthe news, so I'm like, oh, is it
when is it gonna happen?
It's already happening.
So, well, what does that meanfor business owners then?
Because before, you know, to beable to compete against you
know a company, that company isgonna have massive resources,

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big headcount, offices, youknow, lots of expenses.
What does that mean for abusiness when now you could be
competing against someone that'sjust a team of one, but they
have the footprint of a bigcompany?

Correct.
I mean, look, this is the whichis why I said we are uncharted
in in uncharted waters, neverhave a this has not happened
ever in the human history.
But that's where theopportunity is.
So think I'll give you a simpleanalogy, right?
Let's say you know you live inArizona and in your neighborhood

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somebody you you find a secretgold mine.
Okay, and you can basicallyjust take however much gold you
want.
Now you say to other peoplethat hey, you can take some gold
and use it for your advantage,but if they don't use it, whose

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fault is it?
So AI is that gold mine.
Now the difference is in thepast, if you had to dig out the
gold, you needed to hire a lotof bulldozers, people, you know,
a lot of machinery.
So you needed to have aresource to mine this gold mine.

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So only a few people had accessto this gold mine.
But now you can pay literallytwenty dollars to twenty dollars
a month and get this gold.
Right?
It's up to you what you want todo with that.
So yes, everybody will havemore competition, but imagine if

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you had the gold, if you hadthe intelligence, if you had the
resources, you can move muchfaster than large companies.
Because in large companies, ifthey come up with an idea, the
next time they will talk aboutit, they will have a meeting in
six months about it.
Okay.
So the advantage you have isspeed and reduction of the

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resources that you need to startsomething.
Like the entry le entry gateshave been flung open for
everyone.
Everyone can build something.

Yeah.
Yeah.
That's a that's a greatanalogy.
That and then it reminds me ofwhen we you were first really
trying to get me into AI too.
I remember these differentanalogies where I'm like, okay,
I feel like I'm gonna miss outif I'm not here.
And it's interesting, you know,that's but that was already
like two, three years ago, Ithink close to three years ago

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when you first made that pushfor me.
And you know, there's stillpeople that are still like I'm
still hearing companies sayingthe same thing, like, oh, we
don't know where to get started.
We're there's they're still atthe point that I was three years
ago.
What is I mean, for someone inyour space there, you know,

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you're trying to get peoplemoving into AI to see the
advantage of that.
I mean, I guess you you'vestudied, you've looked back at
human behavior and how peoplehave adopted to this.
I guess from from yourresearch, you know, and and
where you think things could begoing with AI, where do you see
things going with businessesapplying?

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Because I mean, that everyonekeeps talking about hey, there's
gonna be the people who adoptit, and those are the ones that
are gonna be the future, andthen the ones that don't that
are gonna be out of business.
I hear that a lot.
Do you feel like that's reallygonna be the case?
That it's just gonna be likethis black and white almost,
pretty much like the people whoare adopting and who aren't?

Well, so here is the thing, right?
Everybody finds their own waterseeks its own level, right?
So, meaning most people arewalking around with the latest
iPhone, but there are somepeople who are still using their
flip phones today, right?
And they survive.
It's you know, they're livingtheir life, but it's up to them

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to define the quality of thelife they are living.
I mean, if they're not missinganything, all power to them bar
if they come into the new era.
Similarly, for businesses,there are many, many, many
businesses still today with nwith no website.
Right?
So it's not like they they'vethey vanish from the face of the

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earth, but they just get somuch disadvantage in terms of
competition that you know theythey get left behind in that
sense.
But there is a there is a kindof like you know, a level of
people that work in that order.
Nothing wrong with that.
Now the thing is that wheneverthis kind of technology brings

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new opportunities, obviously, ifyou are early, if you go
deeper, you will be able toextract more value from those
opportunities, and you will youwill go faster and farther, and
it will become more difficult tocatch you when there you have
three years head start.

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Or you know, for example, forme, I have 20 years head start.
It's difficult to catch up aslong as you continue to go
further and further and further,right?
But human nature is even let'ssay if if we are like, you know,
let's say we are flooded, likelet's assume that somebody lives
next to a river and there is aflood in the river.

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How many times we have seen onthe TV that they will wait until
the last moment to kind ofleave leave the home?
And that is human nature.
I'm not criticizing it becausewe always hope that I don't want
to change my situation, I don'twant to learn this new
technology, I don't wantsomebody to take over my
business that I have built over20 years with hard work and

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manual effort.
I don't want these things, butI will wait until the last
moment until water comes to thislevel that I cannot escape it.
But some people will say, Oh, Ihave seen this season before,
the water is rising.
Let me start to build a wallright now and also have an

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escape plan just in case thewater rises.
So it all depends on whetheryou think you want to preserve
what you have right now and notchange, or you can see that
change is about to happen.
I am willing to let go of whatI have so that I can have
something new in the future.

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That's the only difference.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Well, that that is true.
You know, people do survive,but do you want to put yourself
through that being the onerescued off of the roof, being
the last in the flood?
So when it's and there'soptions out there, so yeah,
that's another interesting wayof looking at it too.
That was one of the amazingthings during COVID that I was

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like, what do you mean there'scompanies still that don't have
a website?
Yeah, and I mean even today,still that it is it is
interesting.
I think, yeah.
But I I think for peoplewatching the show here today,
they're not the kind of peoplethat wouldn't have a website.
I think they'll they understandthe the web presence there that
and all of that that'simportant because I think you're
just not gonna get now beforelike I I go back to the the last

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job that I had where I actuallyworked for someone big
corporation, yeah, Yelp.
And like Yelp replaced thephone book, and you know, now
then Yelp and Google Maps havebeen the thing of how people
look for information for findinga small business, but now so
many more searches.

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Now we're going to Chat GPT,Gemini, Claude, Groc, looking
for that information.
And if you don't have any kindof web presence, I'm gonna take
a guess to say that the AI isnot gonna know you exist either,
right?

Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.
Not just that, right?
So see, we are we areattention-starved.
So we are always talking aboutoh, does AI know about you?
But also your intelligence,your wisdom, like you know, is
it being enhanced by AI?
Is it interacting with AI in acohesive manner and all that?

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So these are deeper topics, butyes, you're right.
Like you the sooner you startto see how the world is
changing, the sooner you canadapt.

So let's touch on that a little bit.
You know, they said there'sdeeper sides to AI.
I think there's a lot of folksthat all right, they they start
using Chat GPT.
Maybe they're doing some basicstuff with transcripts.
There's levels to this though,right?
And I I I don't know if there'sa standard set.
I've seen those four levels orfive levels or you know,

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whatever the framework peoplehave created.
But a lot of people are reallyat that level one, just like
chat GPT, help me write thisemail, help me make this
graphic.
But there's so many more layersthat you can get where the
deeper you go, the more youcould do, but then also the more
infrastructure you need to getset up, and it it starts

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becoming more difficult toimplement.
I think it it starts gettingcloser to like what you were
saying, what AI was like in theearly days, because like for me,
I I can't just go have an AIfactory behind the scenes in my
company without having engineersputting it together, without
building those layers of data sothat there's other applications

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that can come in andcommunicate with that.
But for the people watching, sothat maybe they don't they
aren't aware that it gets waymore advanced.
What are some of the levelsthat you feel like there are in
AI where it's like, all right,this is level one for a business
owner?
Because I'm sure you could talkto people and you could
probably already tell, like,okay, there's where they're at,
and they need they need to goway deeper.

Not see again, I I will never say they need to
go deeper.
If if they don't, and youcannot change a human's
perception.
If if they want to, yes, thereare many, many, many, many
levels.
Even the level five that uhpeople talk about, it's
autonomous organization.
Meaning if this is we aretalking Star Trek level, where

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you know it's like you just talkto a human, there's like kind
of like you know, imagine a likea control room, like massive
monitors, and you just talk tothe AI and say, hey, make it
happen, and then it'll just doit, right?
Like, so we are we are going tobe at that level within like
five maybe five to ten years.
I mean that is where AGI sortof becomes powerful enough that

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humans it exceeds a humanintelligence, right?
But imagine my the way the inmy in my world, I work at a
deeper level still, becauselet's say if you found uh a
genie today, right, and it says,hey, I'm I'm ready to give you

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three wishes.
Anything you want, anything youwant, right?
What do you think you will ask?
More wishes.
More wishes, okay.
So you see, your mind has beentuned in a certain way that
given an opportunity, you knowhow to multiply it.
Right?

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In this very example.
So the the G didn't do muchother than amplify what you
already had in your mind.
Right?
So the sixth level is toenhance people's thinking.
How much do you think likeimagine Elon Musk built a giga

(31:57):
factory in nine months and a lotof people get frustrated with
their bathroom remodelingbecause it has been held up with
like for 15 months almost orwhatever, right?
So what is it that his mindthinks that you cannot think

(32:17):
about?
Because the technology is onlygoing to follow your orders,
it's not going to like make upstuff and say, Hey, by the way,
you could do it much faster.
You see?
So the sixth level is not AIautomation because those things
are happening regardless.

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The sixth level is optimizingyour mind and removing any
limits on your mind.

So do you need to get to all the levels to be able
to get to that point?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Life is never linear.
Okay?
I mean, look at your anybody'slife, anybody's life.
I can guarantee you, you cantrace steps when you elevated
from one level to another.
You met somebody, a newopportunity, a new job, a new

(33:10):
kind of like coincidence thatelevated you to the next level.
Right?
So if you desire to go to thesixth level, you can start the
journey today.
But if you think in your mindthat you need to go through one,
two, three, four, five, thenyou lead off that path.

That is that is interesting.
It reminds me, there's uh andI'm trying to look it up while
talking to you.
It was in the like the 1920s or30s, and I'm sure you know the
example of the long-distancemarathon runner that no one ever
broke four hours.
Yeah, yeah.
Ever, ever.
People like it's not possible,it can't happen until this one
guy, which looks like RogerBannister, did it in three

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eighths.
Oh no, it was a mile.
Well, it looks like it was amile, four-minute mile is what
he broke, and he was able to doit in three minutes and
fifty-nine seconds because heknew this is possible, and it
took that mindset to make ithappen.
So you're saying it's like thesame thing as applying to AI,
which makes sense.
Like, a like whatever you giveAI, that's what it's gonna solve

(34:15):
for.
And so, if you're saying weneed to build this factory in
nine months, that's what it'sgonna solve for, not we need to
build this factory, so you putthose constraints in and they're
able to move further.
So interesting.
So the yeah, well, you know, asbusiness leaders, I and you
work with a lot of people, itdoes seem like that you hear

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this a lot, like the thingholding you back is yourself.

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, and it's
still the same here, soabsolutely, and it's going to
amplify because in the past youcould hide it behind other
skills you had, and people couldnot figure it out.
Now everybody is an Einstein,literally, everybody is an
Einstein, and this is not ajoke, because everybody has

(35:02):
access to this intelligence,which is Einstein-level
intelligence.

Yeah, and I always thought, like, what happens in a
world where everybody hasaccess to the same tools?
Because all of my competitorshave the same tools.
Now, how you use them, that'sanother question, but they still
have access to the same things.
And that wasn't that wasn'tpossible before.
I think of like in my space,call centers, you know, and it

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reminded me as you were talkingabout where the technology was
in the early days of AI, youneeded a lot of money,
investment, equipment,infrastructure, engineers to
program things to be able to dothis stuff with AI that you
could now pull up an app on yourphone and do in seconds.
Same thing with the callcenters.
I I meet people in the callcenter industry and they're

(35:50):
like, Man, if you had any ideathe millions of dollars it took
to put together an office with ahundred seats that I could do
in one afternoon clicking a fewbuttons, and then everyone has a
phone line.
Like they had to wire thingsup, everything was like there's
crazy PBX boxes and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And uh, you know, so it's thesame kind of thing, is it but

(36:13):
what does that do to businesseswhen it and I I think that's
where maybe some of that unknowncomes in because what what are
people gonna do when everyonehas access to the same
technology?
Because that I'm seeing this alittle bit now, and uh I'm
curious what you think aboutthis.
You know, with Chat GPT, andI'm I'm guessing a lot of the

(36:35):
tools, but I see it a lot withChat GPT, where you know, chat
GPT is like a graphic designer,it has a certain default style,
just like it has a certaindefault voice.
And if you don't do anything tochange that default style,
everybody there's millions ofpeople in the the United States
that have hired ChatGPT as agraphic designer, and that

(36:57):
designer is making like if I'mscrolling through my LinkedIn,
scrolling through Facebook, I'mseeing a lot of the same
designs, the same, like it looksvery similar.
So one thing that I'm startingto see is like, how do you
differentiate yourself?
I mean, I know the answer, butthe the interesting challenge
that I'm starting to see withpeople who are using this

(37:18):
default graphic designer,everyone's stuff looks the same.
Like, I just saw fiverestaurants in a row, they all
look like they're the samerestaurant, it's just a
different name and differentfood.
But that's happening inbusiness, it's happening like a
highly visible thing that we'reseeing on our feeds, but that's
also happening in in offices andboardrooms and strategic

(37:42):
planning meetings.
So I'm curious, I'm I'm I'mcurious where things are gonna
go when everyone uh I guess,yeah, I don't know.
I don't have any questionnaire.

It's just I don't know if you have any
comment or no no, I can I can Ican comment uh I can just
certainly comment on this,right?
So uh you actually rightrightly pointed out this is a
very important conversation thateverybody has the same tool
available to them.
Now, human nature is to do theeasy thing.
Okay, so it's very easy to fallinto the trap of oh, I can just

(38:16):
use AI and and do it, but thena million other people are doing
it.
So what happens is over timeeverybody becomes average,
right?
And some people are okay beingaverage because by law of nature
and mathematics, most peopleare average.
I'm sorry to say that, right?
But only few people take the mtime to go and kind of refine

(38:43):
their art.
And those are the top fivepercent in any industry, whether
you have a tool or not, whetheryou have technology or not,
those are the people who arekind of like refining, refining,
refining and rising above theaverage.
So the tools are not going toget you there.
Your desire to become more thanaverage is going to get you

(39:05):
there.

I love that statement.
Yeah.
So great advice for you guyswatching.
You gotta be that 5%.
Because otherwise, I I'm justseeing it now.
I mean, again, going back tothe example, but if you have 20
competitors in the market spacemarketplace, and everybody's
going to Chat GPT with the sameprompt, make my strategy for

(39:28):
2027.
And you know, how do I help mybusiness grow?
They're all gonna get verysimilar versions of the same
strategy, and you're all gonnabe doing very similar things,
not differentiating yourself.
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
So interesting, interestingtimes to be a business owner.
What about like I'm curious,are you seeing any kind of

(39:52):
divide?
You know, because growing upfor me, you know, like websites
and all that, like that was ayoung person's thing.
Like older people didn't reallywant to get into the
technology.
I mean, I think of my parentsthat didn't even want to learn
how to program the VCR.
I had to go in and program theVCR for them, and every time the
power went out, you had to setthe clock back again.

(40:12):
They just refused to adopttechnology.
Are you seeing some of the samepatterns with AI, or are you
seeing something entirelydifferent?

No, no, absolutely.
It's the same thing.
And this is again, it doesnothing to do with technology,
it's human nature.
Every technology takes time foradoption.
And as I said earlier, likethere are some people walking
around with flip phones, andthat's okay.
Here is another, like I alreadymentioned this, but I'll try to
clarify it.
You see, even kids and very oldpeople are are using iPhones

(40:45):
today, right?
And if you take out thatdevice, there is unbelievable
complexity inside that device.
Unbelievable.
Okay?
And it's amazing how it lastsone day, like you know, for
average for the battery charge,and it can like connect you with
the entire world, and you canlike conduct your business on

(41:08):
the phone and do whatever thehell you want to do on the
phone, right?
But there's none of thatcomplexity is visible to the
user.
You can just take out yourphone, you know, just use your
fingers and you can startworking with it.
So the true power of technologyis not when it is complex, but

(41:29):
it is easy.
It is easy to use for anyone.
And that these are some of thethings that we as a technology
company do that other peoplecannot do on their own.
Meaning make it so easy andtransparent that technology
moves out of the way so that youcan go faster in whatever you

(41:52):
are trying to do.

Yeah, yeah, that is true.
The I I can't tell you how manytimes I've tried to bring some
software to my company orsomething, and I'm like, this is
exactly what our companyneeded, go run with it.
And then six months later, whatthe heck happened here?
Like, no one logged in, even noone has submitted anything in
this tool.
I've been paying for it.

(42:14):
So, yeah, that's it's a verytrue human behavior.
It's a fun one.
So I'm guessing then you've hadyou've looked back quite a bit
at human behavior, and I'vethought about that too.
I mean, I haven't done much ofthe research, but I have thought
a lot about that living throughthe dot-com boom, living

(42:36):
through you know, the rise ofthe smartphones, and I've really
tried to think, okay, there'spatterns here that are just
repeating over and over again,and we're going through the same
one here, where it's like youcould already tell, like, not
exactly what's gonna happen, butyou could see where things are
headed.
And I feel like a lot ofbusinesses are putting their

(42:58):
head in the sand because thepattern's repeating in front of
everybody's face, and yet someof people are still deciding to
I'm gonna wait it out, I'm gonnasit on the roof and wait for
the flood to get higher.
I wanted to talk more aboutyour business though, because
you do help companies with that.
So, like, what are some of thethings that you're seeing?
What are the some of theproblems you're seeing with

(43:20):
people being able to adopt this?
Is this what's holding peopleback?

So, first and foremost, it's the human
identity.
Okay, so what is happening isas people are seeing that their
competition is beating them, ortheir industry is getting
automated, or they are not ableto understand how they will
survive in this world, theiridentity is at stake.

(43:48):
Meaning in our world, when wemeet someone, the first or
second question is what do youdo?
That is how we recognize aperson, and that is how the
person recognizes.
themselves that okay I am adirector of blah blah blah, I am
a vice president of blah blahblah.
But as these jobs are gettingin danger or disappearing or

(44:10):
whatever, now the question iswho am I?
And it is very uncomfortable tosay I am a nobody.
It's very uncomfortable to say.
And that acceptance is what iscreating the resistance.
Okay.
Now what we do is we we go inthere and find out what their

(44:35):
true identity and their truepurpose is, because in most
cases they are not living thatlife already.
So in the new age of AI, whatwill be most important is
somebody who can help peoplefind their purpose, find their
identity, build a tool that canactually create that for them,

(44:56):
and then help them monetizewhatever they bring to the
table.

That's really powerful.
Because I think a lot of peoplethink about it from a different
aspect.
And I love the angle you bring,and I'm sure there was some
influence from you on my beliefsaround AI, because I feel the
same way, you know, that itreally is all about the people.
And you know, we're I'm tryingto empower people.
You're looking at it from awhole other angle, almost like

(45:23):
the guru up on top of themountain that like will help you
find your purpose.
But there are so many people inlife that are going through
life and have no idea, and theydon't have that that they don't
have that self-awareness, Iguess.
But that so that's anotherangle too.
Like as business leaders, andyou're helping business leaders

(45:47):
understand how to leverage thesetools, and part of that, a lot
of that is some of theself-awareness.
Like, what does it take for abusiness leader to be able to
take maybe a tough conversationthey had and and bounce that off
of AI to say, I could have donebetter in that, you know, in
that conversation?

(46:07):
How can I become a betterleader?
How can I handle this situationbetter?
Those conversations, thosequestions aren't coming up if
the leader thinks they are thebest.
They have there is no room forimprovement.
Why, why is there anywhere toimprove?
It comes back to the peopleagain, too.
So I mean, does any of yourwork touch on that too?

Because I think not only that, because you know,
after doing so much deepresearch on human behavior, that
also is a safety valve.
We cannot, it takes a lot ofcourage for somebody to say,
tell me my faults.
Okay, and not only that, but asas business owners or anybody

(46:52):
who has achieved something, youalso understand that growth
happens outside of your comfortzone, never inside.
So imagine this phenomena thatI don't want to be told where
where I'm bad at or where myboundaries are, yet I want to
grow.
Meaning I don't know where myboundary is, how to cross it,

(47:12):
but I want what is outside ofthat boundary.
Imagine putting some address inyour GPS and saying, take me
somewhere.
You know, the GPS is gonna say,Where do you want to go?
Right?
Until you put in the address,it's not gonna start.
So my point is when we workwith AI, imagine it is always

(47:34):
nudging you outside of yourcomfort zone and then helping
you figure out who you trulywant to become and helping you
get there.
That is the true use of thistechnology.

That is so for you guys watching, listening, think
about that because you know youmight think, oh, it's there to
help me write better emails, puttogether better strategies, put
together a better marketingplan.
But again, this is where itgoes so much levels deeper that
you're just at the surface levelwith some of that stuff.
You know, there's really a lotmore you could impact, and it's

(48:11):
you know, it's pretty crazy tothink of how far reaching this
could be.
But I mean, I don't know somepeople might I I've seen it,
I've seen conversations pop upwhere they're like, man, they
were feeding the wholeconversation into chat GPT, and
I'm being manipulated by AI bythis person.
But on the flip side of that,there's people that are
generally just trying to getbetter in their lives and their

(48:33):
career, and it's just a tool tohelp you to do that.
So yeah, I mean, with therebeing like a million directions
this could this is going withAI, and anything is possible,
you know, in the last couple ofyears since you and I have last
talked, what's what's someexamples of some things that

(48:54):
you've seen people do with AIthat's been like shocking in a
good way?
Not I know there's we couldfind shocking bad ways, but
where it's like, man, I neverthought about it from that
angle, or wow, that's soinnovative that they were able
to use it for that for theirbusiness.
Because I mean there's everyday people are doing stuff like
this.

Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
I mean, I'll be biased here, souh rather than using other
people's example, I'll use whatuh we are using it for, yeah,
which may surprise you.
So we are using it to helppeople with chronic pain.
We are helping people with ADHDto come calm their mind.
We are helping parents connectwith their teenager uh kids.

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We are helping people get ridof their what do you call it?
Um addictions.
Okay these are some some thingsthat used to take decades of
work, hard work, and we are ableto do this in four to eight

(50:00):
weeks.

That's life-changing.
I mean, especially I mean thethings you talked about are very
heavy topics for people and andthings that plague them for
their entire life.

Yes.

I'm kind of interested.
Is there anything you couldshare more about any of those?

Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, I mean, it's you know,you mentioned this word
self-awareness.
That is the most important wordfor the AI era.
If the more self-aware you are,the more you will flourish in
this era.
So think about chronic pain.
Chronic pain, and this is allscience-based, by the way, you
go go ahead and do yourresearch.

(50:37):
Chronic pain actually is stuckemotion.
So something you were not ableto accomplish, something you
blame other people, blame thesociety, blame someone, you
know, you got divorced, blahblah blah.
Those things they carry energyand they get stuck in your body,
literally.
So how do you and and over timeit builds up, it creates

(51:00):
chronic pain.
It's your body telling you thatthere is something wrong.
And so, how do you find it?
You take medication, you go tosurgery, but there are new ways
now to use AI without surgery,without medication.
I'm not saying this is a curefor chronic pain, but it
actually starts to relievewithout without these intrusive

(51:24):
measures.
Take, for example, you know,connecting with their teenagers.
Teenagers are anyway, I'mtrying, you know, get they're
getting isolated these days, youknow.
There's a lot of problems withteenage suicide because they are
isolated and whatnot.
And when the parents are notconnecting with their teenagers,
it negatively affects theparents, negatively affects the
teenagers.
And let's imagine there is avery successful business owner,

(51:49):
his whole company is automated,but he cannot connect with his
teenager.
What good is that AI?
Yeah, right.
So, what we do is we help raisethe self-awareness of the
parent so that they can connectbetter with their teenager,
rather than the parent saying,Why doesn't my teenager talk to

(52:10):
me?
They can start to understandwhat does the teenager actually
want, and I can facilitate that.
Yeah, you know, rather thanrather than like changing the
other person, what changes canwe bring to ourselves so that
people around us startresponding differently.

I have a lot of curiosity with uh your thoughts
on things.
So there's obviously a lot ofdoom and gloom predictions and a
lot of I mean they make thegreat headlines, and there's
plenty that you could attach toto find the negative parts of
AI.
I don't want to focus on that.
Because I I also believe, youknow, when you have these
infinite possibilities, then italso means that you know there's

(52:55):
there's possibilities where wesolve these problems, we solve
these chronic illnesses, youknow, we do get a we do find a
cure for cancer, we do solvethese political, you know, like
why do we have to have all thesewars and stuff?
For you, what do you what areyou some things you're hopeful
to see in the future that maybewouldn't have been possible

(53:15):
before with AI?

I think you just listed them, right?
Like find cure for cancer, findcure for chronic pain, find
cure for wars, find cure forpoverty, find cure for you know
lack of education, lack ofwater.
These are huge problems whichhumanity has been trying to
solve for like since we were incaves, right?

(53:39):
Every new level of technologyhas helped because no matter how
difficult life is for anyone,if we look at our life and
compare it with what people usedto live like in 100 years ago,
we are in so much better shape.
You don't have to go back thatfar.
Yeah, exactly.
And and so continuously, astechnology has evolved, it has

(54:01):
provided the benefits, you know.
So now we will have thesesolutions, but by the way, human
nature is to create moreproblems as we find more
solutions.
So there is no I cannot imaginea world where there is no
problems.
When these problems get solved,some other problems will come

(54:22):
up.
That means more opportunitieswill come up because
entrepreneurship is all aboutsolving problems.

So there'll always be room for us entrepreneurs
because there's gonna be newproblems.
That's a good point.
You know, we thought, I reallythought, oh, with cell phones,
internets everywhere, you know,this is gonna be so great.
I if you go around and talk toeveryone now about how they feel
about social media, probablynot as positive as they did back
in when it first started comingout.

(54:50):
Correct, good, correct, good.
So it created a whole new setof problems, which is yeah.
So two steps forward, one stepbackward, maybe, but now we got
some solutions to to help tackleit.
And uh but there's always roomfor the entrepreneur to solve
those problems.

Exactly, exactly.

Now, before we started the interview, you had
mentioned that you've beenworking on there's a something
that you have started new thatuh the first I heard about this,
something called AI merge.
Right.
Can you tell me a little bitmore about that?
Because I think you know,people listening they might be
interested in like, I like theway that Manuj's talking about
this, and I'd like to maybe seehow I could learn AI through

(55:31):
that same lens.
So what tell me more about thatprogram?

Yeah, I mean, uh you know, the technology that I
was talking about, chronicpain, uh connecting with people,
and in business scenarios, likemaking faster decisions, being
being a better leader,collaborating better, it's all
related to this idea ofself-awareness.
And self-awareness can happen,can be increased by various

(55:55):
practices, you know, a lot ofself-reflection, a lot of
self-control, or we can use atechnology like AI.
What we have done is createdsomething called AI Merge, which
is essentially in kind ofcreating a bridge between your
mind and AI in a way that AIunderstands you better rather

(56:15):
than you understanding AIbetter.
Okay, and then from this, whenyou interact with AI, it kind of
helps you to really unlock whatis already there in your mind.
The limits that you see are allcreated by you.
So imagine there was a wiseperson like a genie or you know,

(56:40):
somebody who has centuries ofwisdom, they are guiding you to
understand what thoselimitations are and how to
remove them.
That is what AI merge is.
Correct.

(57:07):
So the idea is that you knowwhen industrialization happened,
we we needed to createeverything at a certain size, at
a certain color, because that'show you can produce it with AI,
hyper-personalization.
Any like we can create asolution that fits any.
This may be counterintuitive toa lot of people, but to answer
your question, who can who areyou attracting?

(57:30):
People who want to get ahead.
So again, you know, there isn'tthis is nothing different when
industrialization happened.
People who figured out how torun the machine, how to fix the
machine, how to kind of likeproduce quality material with
the machine, they became factoryowners, they became
industrialists.

(57:50):
When the internet came along,people who figured out how to
create websites, you know, manyof them became billionaires.
Like more billionaires werecreated in the last 20-25 years
than any time in history becauseof technology.
Now, the same thing is going tohappen again.
More millionaires andbillionaires will be created in
the next 20 years than werecreated in the entire history

(58:11):
because of AI.
So, to answer your question,who it's people who recognize
this is a force that needs to beharnessed before it takes you
over, and they want to godeeper, further, faster, those
are the people that we areattracting.
Right.

Well, my kind of people who are listening to the
show here.
So all right, cool.
Well, thanks for sharing that,and we'll get some information.
We'll have some stuff in thelinks so people can connect with
you on that to learn more.
Another question that maybe alittle bouncing around here, but
there's a belief out there, andyou know, a concern that I

(58:55):
mean, I I think maybe they don'thave all the information there,
but like AI is gonna replaceeverything, right?
Like, and especially me, I havethis call center, I got a lot
of people.
I just came from theconference, and across from me
are booths for softwarecompanies that are like, you
don't need people.
We uh do 100% automation foryour dispatching, for your

(59:18):
calls.
And you know, people in everyindustry.
I mean, I'm here in Phoenix,you can go out and you can see
the self-driving cars drivingdown the street.
You could it's visible.
I'm like, man, I'm a driver, myjob's at threat.
I'm working on a phone, I'm myjob's at that.
And now industries thattraditionally have not had that

(59:38):
kind of threat.
Now people are like, I'm alawyer.
I now I'm an accountant, youknow.
Am I being at risk of beingreplaced by AI?
So what what does the futurelook like when I think I think
people are going to the extremesand they're like, how is the
society gonna work wheneveryone's job is replaced by

(01:00:00):
AI?
What are we all gonna do?
And who's gonna spend moneywith these businesses when
there's no money to spend whenyou're not making anything?
Like, I mean, that's one pickone version of the future, but
it is one that I think a lot ofpeople share.
And curious what you you're yousay to people like that.
For sure.

Manuj Aggarwal (01:00:19):
Well, I think uh, you know, I'll use an
example which has used beingused everywhere.
You know, and before the carwas invented, there was a whole
industry of people whose job wasit to keep the roads clean,
cleaning up horses uh shliterally like shit, you know,

(01:00:39):
because everything depended uponhorses and horses eat and then
they you know uh excrete andneeded to be cleaned up.
That was the industry.
Okay, and I don't know ifpeople know so most people know
this example.
There was another example Ithink for some industry, I think
photograph photography orelectricity, they actually

(01:01:01):
needed a chemical that is foundin human urine.
Okay, so there was an industrythat his job their job was go to
people's home every day andcollect human urine.
Okay, literally, you can lookit up.
So my point is that astechnology changes, the job that

(01:01:22):
needs to be done also changes.
Going back to my previous uhprinciple, this these are
fundamental principles.
When humans find a solution,they create other problems.
Okay, so it's not like jobs aregoing to go away, but the
nature of the job will bedifferent.
Okay, so how will it bedifferent?
I don't think there will be ajob that requires you to do work

(01:01:47):
40 hours a week.
Yay! Okay, a lot of people areclapping for that one.
Yeah, so what you will do isthink of an Uber driver, you
will say, I have this expertise,I'm available five hours a
week.
Who wants my services?
And somebody will say, I wantthat service, I'll pay $200 an

(01:02:10):
hour for you.
And somebody will say, Oh, Ineed this service on a Saturday,
I'll pay you $300 an hour forthat.
And then you will say, Okay, Ithink I need to make this much
money instead of five hours,I'll I'll do seven hours a week.
And you will make yourselfavailable.

(01:02:30):
And then you will do the job,you'll get paid.
So think every industry has anUber, app, every industry, and
that's how the economy willevolve, in my opinion.
Now, tomorrow something elsehappens, I don't know.
But the way things are movingalong, this is how I see.

Eric Mulvin (01:02:51):
Hmm.
Then people will be in controlof their schedule, they'll be
able to dictate a lot more.
Because I feel like right nowthere's a I think that's part of
the challenge, is a lot ofpeople, business owners alike,
they feel like, ah, this is allhappened to me.
I have no control over any ofthis.
And which is not true.
There are things that you coulddo.
It's if you apply any of thestuff we're talking today, you

(01:03:14):
could there's a lot you coulddo, but but I know that's the
belief that's out there.
Another thing that I I thoughtis that I have a belief around
is you know, just along withlike self-awareness being one of
those critical human traitsthat we need to really lean back
into more than ever with AI,creativity.
What do you what do you feellike about the future and

(01:03:38):
creativity and you know with AI,where do you see things it
going in that direction?

It's going to be tremendously valuable,
tremendously valuable.
Okay.
I think you know, if you gohere read history again in the
1500s in Europe, there was aperiod called Renaissance.
Okay, in Renaissance, most ofthe rich people were either
painters, musicians, like otherthan the actual right kings and

(01:04:08):
things like that.
Like kings used to seek outmusicians and painters and poets
and give them like massivesalaries because they wanted to
create something.
You know, you can go look athistorical buildings, they spent
fortunes on creating buildings,so architects were needed,
designers were needed.

(01:04:28):
So creativity is going tobecome very, very important
because of what you just said.
Like, if everybody is producingthe same thing, human desire is
to have something different.
Like, I want something thatreally speaks to me.
And how will that happen?
It's the most creative personwho can use AI to create

(01:04:52):
something that other peoplecannot create using AI.
So increasing your creativityand taking risks and going where
other people haven't gonebefore is going to be key.

Yep.
And uh it touches on like athere's a quote that I like to
say all the time.
I want to be doing things infive years using technology that
doesn't exist today.
And that's what's also pushedme, as you know, when when AI
came around, I'm like, there yougo.
There's like my my quotemanifested like it's it's

(01:05:29):
exactly what is happening rightnow.
So yeah, but that's that's agreat point you bring there.
So getting close to thequestion, actually, I could keep
going all day with thesequestions, but I know we have a
limited amount of time here andcan't make these episodes run
too long.
Yeah, but talk to I I know wegot a lot of family businesses.

(01:05:51):
I met a lot of familybusinesses at this last
conference, so we might got somepeople.
Shout out to the people who arewatching who I met at NEMTAC in
Orlando because there's a lot.
Of new followers, I think, uhmet me out there, but there's a
lot of people with kids, right?
And there's like myself, I'vegot two young daughters, and I'm
really trying to like before Iwas like, Oh, we gotta make sure

(01:06:15):
they know the computer, theygotta know these certain
technologies.
What do you think is the mostcritical things that a parent
can be teaching their kids todayto help make sure they're
successful in this new futurethat we're finding ourselves in?

I think we already covered many of these
things, right?
Creativity, communication, youknow, ability to take risks,
resilience, not following otherpeople's path.
That's very important.
These are some of the things,you know, and above all, above
everything is self-awareness.
Like even teens need to beself-aware.

(01:06:53):
Like I'm teaching my kids notjust how to use AI, but how to
get a feedback from AI thatelevates them little by little
on its own.

You know?
That is that is interesting,yeah.
Because I've been trying to getmy kids, they're really good
about pointing things out.
They're like, I don't know howold your kids are, but I know my
kids love pointing out, oh,that's AI, that's AI.
And then the grandma's like,how can you tell?
But yeah, there's giving kidsthat skill is is extremely

(01:07:25):
powerful because then you knowwhat can they do with it on
their own?
I mean, you could exponentiallyincrease your capabilities, and
by the time you get to college,you could be way further ahead
than your peers.
So that's a self-awareness forkids.
All right, I like that.
Well, as we're getting to theend here, always end every

(01:07:49):
episode with this one question,and I didn't prep you on this,
curious what your answer isgoing to be, but you know, our
show is called UnfinishedBusiness, and so we always ask
people, like for you, you know,you've had, and and I should
have asked you some questionsabout this.
I don't know how you were in aposition to have people like
Bill Clinton and Barack Obamareviewing your work, but you've

(01:08:12):
done a lot in your career, asI've I mentioned back in the
intro, and as we've talkedthrough this whole episode, but
for you, what's what's the bigunfinished business for you?
What's something that you wouldlike to see in your career in
your lifetime be achieved?

Yeah, I I think I I may or may not have shared
this crazy goal I have is to usetechnology to help 20 people
win the Nobel Prize.

What's the inspiration behind that?

I I don't know, it is a crazy thing that
happened to me like in uh duringthe pandemic.
Like I was in meditation, deepmeditation, and something like a
voice kind of appeared in myhead is like do something with
technology to help 20 people winthe Nobel Prize.
I think I was going crazy.
I literally th thought goingcrazy.

(01:09:05):
But then six months later I wasinvited to give a talk and they
put me next to a Nobel Prizewinner.
I was like, How does that howdid that happen?
And so the work that I havebeen doing in the last five, six
years, AI merge, this research,it's all about that.
Like if you increase yourself-awareness to a point where

(01:09:25):
you are able to understand yourown capabilities, your way that
you can connect with people, youcan you know leverage resources
available to you.
And if you work with fivehundred brilliant people, twenty
of them will for sure win theNobel Prize.

That's crazy.
I love it.
I gotta connect you with one ofmy past guests, Derek Maines.
His answer was to win the NobelPrize in economics.
So if you could help him, nowyou've only got 19 people left
on your Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That that's amazing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But uh that's cool because uhthat now you're the second
person that's mentioned NobelPrize as one of their answers,
or or being involved with that.

(01:10:03):
So, which is it's a very wellit's nobles in the name, but you
know, it's it's very selflessto be you know dedicating your
life's work to something thatwill help tons and tons of
people.
Yeah.
And so, well, Manuj, I thankyou so much for taking some time
to share your thoughts with ourlisteners here today.

(01:10:24):
And you left me with a lot ofthings to think about as well.
And I hope for the listenerstoo, a lot of things uh that you
could be applying to yourbusiness.
And and also now there might besome people listening that
might want to connect with you,maybe learn more about AI Merge,
or just follow you along yourown journey.
You do have your own podcast.
I know you mentioned earlieryou have over 400 episodes out.

(01:10:47):
So if people do want to getmore into the mind of Manuj,
there's uh definitely some waysto do that.
But what's the best way to forfor people to connect with you?

I think uh the best thing is like I can offer
is go to ai merge.live andexperience the technology for
yourself.
It's a 10-minute preview, butyou can feel what I'm talking
about, not think, feel.
And it will help you understandwhat what this episode was all

(01:11:17):
about, what my work is allabout.
And if you want to connect withme on LinkedIn, look me up and
send me it.

Right, awesome.
Well, thanks again, Manuj.
And for those of you guyswatching, if you like today's
episode, make sure to subscribe.
We're on anywhere that youlisten to podcasts, and on
social media, look for @BizwithEric, where you can see
we release episodes every singleTuesday with uh amazing thought
leaders and people who are outchanging the world, like Manuj

(01:11:47):
here himself.
Uh, so thank you guys forwatching, and uh, we'll catch
you guys on the next episode.
See you later.

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