February 4, 2026 • 50 mins
What if peace isn’t something we pursue out there, but something we practice inside our own bodies first? We sit down with Barbara With—composer, author, peace activist, and psychic channel—to unpack a down-to-earth process for untangling conflict by separating emotion, intuition, and intellect. Her journey from the stage to “going into the nothing” reveals how creative listening trained her to notice signals most of us ignore, and how strong boundaries keep intuitive work grounded, ethical, and useful.
Barbara walks us through Conflict Revolution, a step-by-step method that starts with breath. Instead of fusing feelings with stories, you move emotion through the body, listen for a small imperative nudge of intuition, then let intellect execute what serves the good of the whole. The result is practical: family tensions soften, workplace stalemates open, and you stop outsourcing your peace to other people’s moods. We explore memorable cases—a 25-year in-law standoff, an estranged parent-child relationship—and the surprising way relationships reorganize when you change the way you treat yourself.
We also dive into Barbara’s collaboration with Einstein, including a “map of human consciousness” and the idea of compassion as a fundamental force. Whether you treat these as hypothesis or metaphor, the takeaway lands the same: inner clarity creates outer change. If you’re wrestling with boundaries, prayer, or being the family “black sheep,” you’ll leave with a simple daily challenge and a hopeful lens on what’s possible when we choose compassion over ego, one baby step at a time.
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SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
I'm thrilled to welcome our guest, Barbara Wis.
She's an internationallyrecognized peace activist, an
award-winning author, and anintuitive thought leader, whose
work bridges science,spirituality, and human
consciousness.
With 35 plus years of experiencein the intuitive arts, Barbara
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has dedicated her life tofostering compassion, inner
transformation, and globalpeace.
Today she's here to share herinsights on inner
transformation, the nature ofconflict, and how each of us can
contribute to a more peacefulworld, one choice at a time.
So let's give a warm welcome toBarbara With.
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Hi, I am your host, LeonetteHalley, and you are listening to
Virago 24-7.
Virago is Latin for femalewarriors, and 24-7 is for all
day, every day.
Virago 24-7 is a weekly podcastthat brings diverse women
together to talk about life andour experiences in this world,
which are our views onself-love, mental health,
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marriage, children, friendships,and really anything that needs
to be talked about.
Here you will find everydaygrowth, everyday healing,
everyday warriors.
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Hello.
Where are you in the world?
Um, I'm in Georgia.
I live in Georgia.
SPEAKER_00 (01:37):
What part of Georgia?
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
I we live north of Atlanta, but we have a condo in
Tybee Island, which is outsideof Savannah.
And so we were here thisweekend.
So after this recording, we'reheading back home.
SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
I spent the last two winters in Americas.
SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Oh, nice.
Okay, very nice.
And you're in Wisconsin?
SPEAKER_00 (01:57):
Yeah, right now I'm in Madison, but I live in
northern, I live in Matt, LakeSuperior on an island.
SPEAKER_03 (02:02):
Very nice.
I've never been in that area.
So welcome, Barbara with.
How are you?
SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
I'm I'm excellent.
Thank you.
And you?
SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
I'm doing well.
It was a nice relaxing umweekend.
It was just me and my husband.
We have three kids.
They're, you know, pretty muchindependent.
So it was nice just to get away.
SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
Good.
Well, it's uh 11 below here, soI'll be happy.
SPEAKER_03 (02:24):
Well, it's crazy because for us, we only get like
maybe one or two months ofwinter.
And so it's in the 20s and we'rejust freaking out over here,
like, oh my gosh, it's so cold.
Yeah, we're not used to it.
We're not used to it.
So, okay, so for those um whoare tuning in, this is Barbara
With.
I did some research on you, andyou have a lot of titles,
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Barbara With.
unknown (02:46):
Yes, I do.
SPEAKER_03 (02:47):
So I read that you're an international peace
activist.
You're an award-winning author.
I think I counted like sixbooks.
I don't know if it's more thanthat.
Um, you're a psychic channelwith over 38 years of experience
in the intuitive arts, aninspirational speaker, a
co-founder of ConflictRevolution, which is a
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revolution revolutionary way toresolve conflict, which I really
want to talk about that.
And then um I saw that you havea podcast called Let's Ask Barb.
So there's a lot of hats thatyou wear.
What let's talk about all yourmany gifts.
How did you get here?
Like, let's start from thebeginning.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
Well, I don't know if you mentioned that I'm a
composer and a musician.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
I'm oh, okay, I missed that part.
Nice.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
And that's kind of where it started was that I was
very young.
I started playing piano when Iwas five.
I started writing music when Iwas 12.
And by the time I got out ofhigh school, I went right out on
the road.
I had two solid sets of originalmusic, and I played for 20
years.
And the process of writingmusic, I used to describe when I
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was very young, I was going intothe nothing and listening for
the song that I think wasalready written.
And then I would bring back likefour bars of it and play that
and get the next four bars, andthat kind of set me up for being
a psychic channel.
Okay.
How was that?
Well, when I was in high school,I sort of accidentally came
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across one of my friend's moms,and he was like, You gotta come
see what my mom does.
It's like, what does your momdo?
Well, she was the psychicchannel, okay, and she would
close her eyes and get out ofthe way.
She had this beautiful pictureof Jesus, and she would talk to
me like she was in my head, likeshe had been in my family, which
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was very traumatic, and gave mejust compassionate insights into
how to maneuver through thesetraumas and these excites the
excitement of my music growing.
And so I grew up with that,knowing what being psychic meant
through my work with her.
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So when I started to quitespontaneously, it was started
with writing, I was writing aletter, and my hands got kind of
taken over, and all of thisbeautiful information was coming
out, not what I was intending tosay.
And when that happened, I knewwhat it was because of years
with Eunice, but I was stillvery surprised.
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And it was the process ofwriting music, I believe, in
retrospect, that set me up to beable to become this person who
could go into the nothing andclose my eyes and hear this
information and then speak it towhomever was sitting in front of
me.
And my mentor said she was agiant antenna.
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So that's how I felt aboutmyself.
I wasn't channeling anyone, Iwas just picking up this
information.
And so that's kind of how I gotstarted.
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
So you so when you say you sat with her, like do
you you hung out with her andand shadowed her, or how does
how did that work?
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
I had regular readings with her, probably
twice a year for about 10 years.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
And that's how you learned and and grew your gift.
That's amazing.
Now, do you think that wasalways inside of you and she
helped bring that out, or howdoes that work with these kinds
of gifts?
SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
I think for me it was a destiny.
It was part of why I came hereand that she was sent to me to
help teach me and and keep me onthe straight and narrow, as it
were, because these gifts arevery could be used detrimentally
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and not to the greatest good.
And so there was a whole sort ofGod thing set up, I think, where
I was watched over and trained.
SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
So, like when people think of psychics, they always
think evil or it comes from likethe evil realm or evil spirits.
How do you feel about that andhow do you explain that?
SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
You know, I was just listening to someone on one of
my favorite podcasts talkingabout how this was all evil, and
I think and forgive the analogy,but this is how I feel about it
is that guns don't kill people,but people who pick up the gun
kill people.
Not that I'm, you know, a biggun advocate, but it really
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that's how it works.
And it's the same with beingpsychic, is that you can be
misguided to use it for yourselfish purposes.
And in that case, you become,I've seen psychics aggrandize
themselves because they havethis power and people come to
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them wanting to know the future.
People think if they know thefuture, there's gonna be some
magical thing that happens tothem, and then they they fill
themselves up with that power tobe able to say, Well, here's
what your future is gonna be.
And I I think that is not of thegreatest good.
I don't know if I would call itevil, but there's also a lot of
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stuff in the Bible that's beeninterpreted as far as you know,
psychic and tarot cards and wenot in the Bible, the Ouija
boards, but and and I thinkthere's a lot uh to be said
about that, of and there's agood conversation to be had
about how we use our gifts.
(08:29):
And mine has been just from thebeginning, I've been surrounded
by compassionate people, I'vebeen trained through my own
mistakes, as it were, and thenthrough the work that I
eventually did with Einstein toknow that we have to all be
working for the greatest good,starting with ourselves in in
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anything that we're doing, butparticularly in this.
You know, there was a I think itwas the Anglican, the Anglican
church in England who believedin psychics, and their whole
philosophy was they need to beincluded in the church and
watched over by the elders andthe the uh people who know
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because it is such a great gift.
So you get all kinds ofviewpoints.
I love it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:25):
I'm I'm just fascinated by this.
I've I've had some readings andit's it's quite fascinating.
Um, you know, because I'm abeliever, I you know, believe in
God and I have my faith.
And I've never thought that itwas evil.
I always feel like He gives usgifts.
And for those that don'tunderstand certain gifts, they
want to label it as bad orwhatever.
So I I I'm fascinated by likethe intuition and energy and all
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of that.
Um and I feel like sometimes ifwe listen, if we sit still and
listen, we all have that strongintuition that we normally just
ignore.
Is it tarot cards that you do,or do you feel like do you feel
uh compelled to tell peoplesomething?
Like if you're like at thestore, like how how does your
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gift work?
SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
Like the Long Island psychic goes into the meat
market to tell the guys.
You know, when I started, Istarted working with uh two
women, Kim and Teresa, who werejust not non-psychic.
And we started to do groupchanneling.
So we'd organize groups in ourliving room and record them and
transcribe them.
And during that initial period,I had a lot of information that
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was coming to me.
So for example, I was out on theski trail one day and I heard
this voice say Um a woman, awoman had skied by me and she
had a purple jacket on.
And the voice said, Tell thewoman in the purple jacket that
her brother, who is in trouble,everything will be fine in a
month.
And those kinds of things usedto happen to me, and I would
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immediately say, I am not goingup to a stranger and telling, I
mean, how am I gonna explain it?
And I said, Okay, if I get tothe end of the trail and the
woman with the purple jacket isthere, I'll say something.
And I got to the end of it, andit wasn't that woman, but it was
two other women, and they bothhad on purple jackets.
So I went up to the one womanand said, Excuse me, you're
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gonna think I'm a little loopy,but I hear these messages.
Do you have a brother?
She's like, I do.
Is he in trouble?
No, he's not in trouble.
And the other one said, I have abrother, and he's in trouble
because he I just found out thatthere had been some abuse in my
family as a as a child, and he'svery angry at me.
And this is my birthday, andwe're supposed to be skiing, but
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he's so mad at me right now thathe's not here.
And I said, Well, I guess in amonth if things are gonna even
out, and no one has ever, in allof the time that I've done this,
said, What are you talkingabout?
They say it would be an answerto a prayer, or I knew it.
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So I had a lot of that kind oftraining, but I got to a place
where I felt like that's not myjob.
I'm not here to deliver littlemessages, which is lovely, you
know, if you're distressed withyour brother and you have a
stranger come up and tell youthis.
But to me, those kinds ofpredicting the future things for
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individuals are a little bitlike parlor tricks.
Hey, look what I can do.
I I have found and was guided ona much bigger mission than that.
And so today in my life, I havecreated a privacy where I don't
want to know everything abouteveryone around me.
And if I opened up and tuned inand intended, I probably could,
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but I don't think that's my job.
SPEAKER_03 (12:48):
I like that.
I have a friend who um, youknow, she's just very unassuming
and she has that gift, but hersis more going up to people, like
how you said.
And and I've always asked her,like, how does that feel?
She says, you know, the word isgiven to her, she says it and
then she just walks away.
And it's not up to her to knowwhat the outcome is gonna be
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because I'm like nosy.
I'm like, I want to know if it'strue, what happened, uh, what's
the backstory.
And she's just it's she justlike she she gives it to them
and walks away.
And and what God does with it iswhat he does with it.
Um exactly.
So I love that.
I love how everyone finds theirwhat they're meant for.
Um, you mentioned Einstein.
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So I've read a little bit aboutthat.
So let's talk about that becauseeverything that I researched
about you referred back toEinstein.
So I don't even know whatquestions to ask about that
because I don't really, I don't,I don't know.
So let's let's get into that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:43):
Well, I'll tell you how I met him.
Okay.
Okay.
So Teresa and Q and I, we callourselves the psychic sorority.
We put out our book, uh, Diariesof a Psychic Sorority.
And the basic gist of this bookwas that these angels suddenly,
when we I started channeling andthe girl said, Who are you?
And they said, Well, we'reangels.
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And I was like, Really?
But they said they had thistheoretical process that if us
humans would first resolve ourconflicts within us in this way,
that the natural byproduct wouldbe the manifestation of peace
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around us.
And they needed some humans whowere having actual conflicts to
test their theory on.
And apparently the three of usvolunteered and were chosen to
be those bearers of information.
And sure enough, there came apoint in our association where
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we got into conflict, and itkind of grew, and we were all
excited about the mission wewere on, but you couldn't deny
it.
Nobody wants to deal withconflict, you know, no one wants
to deal with conflict.
So we finally we sat down at mydining room table one day and we
started out, and I was like,Well, you know, this and this
and this, and Kim and this andthis.
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And Kim was like, Yes, but thisand Barb and Kim, and so it
started to escalate like youwould imagine it would.
And I said, wait a minute, wejust did this session, it was
called conflict resolution, butwe transcribed it.
I said, Let me go get it andlet's see what they tell us to
do.
And the sentence that I readwas, if you're emotionally
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involved in a conflict, the rootof your part of it is within
you.
And that was very profound forme at the time because I was
very much a projector and avictim.
And when I read it, there wassort of this God moment where we
all went, huh?
And then this kind of swoosh ofoh, and we started crying, and I
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came back to the table and said,you know what, here's what I can
do better.
And Kim did the same thing, andwe had this miraculous outcome.
And I'd never been in asituation with a conflict where
we stopped in midstream and weeach took responsibility for our
part.
But what was the most profoundwas that night I was singing at
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a club in Minneapolis and therewas a waitress there who wanted
nothing to do with me, and Ididn't care about it.
But I walked in that night andshe could not get enough.
Oh, Barbara, how have you been?
And she put$20 in my tip jar andshe had to give me these
cassette tapes of music shethought I'd like.
And the skeptical old me waslike, What's going on here?
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And then I had that aha moment.
This is what these angels said.
If we first resolve our conflicthere, things naturally change
around us in ways that we can'tgo at at the arena that it's
being created.
So when we published our book,my literary agent got a call
from a tabloid in London who waslooking for an interview with
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Princess Diana on the one-yearanniversary of her death.
And skeptical me said, What?
How does that work?
What would that be like?
And I've never figured that out,but okay, I'll try it.
So I sat down and I channeledthe questions and the answers,
and I read it off and I justwept.
It was so beautiful, it was soprofound.
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And of course, she was very muchabout world peace.
Yeah.
But, you know, stuff about Harryand William that have since sort
of blossomed.
And so the tabloid flew me outto New York, didn't want the
interview.
And my agent and I wrote down abunch of names.
Maybe there's more famous peoplewho want to talk, and I would
imagine I'd go to them and it'slike Elvis, I get in too much
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trouble, and Mother Teresa wastired.
And the next one was uh NicoleBrown Simpson.
Oh wow.
Because it had just been a yearsince the trial.
And that was really profound forme to read what she had to say.
And along the way, we got toJohn Kennedy, and he said, at
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his, among other many things, hesaid, This isn't your idea.
We are a group of souls inafterlife, and we've come
together to help you createworld peace.
And we'll tell you who's next.
And Einstein wasn't even on ourlist.
And so when Einstein came up andI closed my eyes and started to
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channel, it was the voice of allof my readings.
And it shocked me.
It took me about three years tocome to terms with the idea that
Einstein had been an angel, oneof the angels.
And so that's how I gotintroduced to him.
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And in that interview, that wasmy next book, Party of 12 the
Afterlife interviews.
When 2005 rolled around and itwas the hundred-year anniversary
of E equals MC squared, Ithought, hey, let's just do a
little book with Einstein.
And um, I had no idea what hewas gonna say, I had no
anticipation that he sayanything.
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And what he did was, among othermind-blowing things, was he
delivered to me a theoreticalunified field theory.
And what that is, for many whodon't know, is that right now in
science, there's no one formulathat explains how the planets in
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the macrocosm work in the sameway as the molecules in the
microcosm.
So science has been looking forthis unified field, like how do
we explain everything sinceEinstein's time?
And so he delivered thistheoretical uh theory along with
what he called the map of humanconsciousness, which means that
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we don't have a physical worldunless we're involved in it,
unless we as humans are engagedin it.
And it's our three humandimensions in this map of human
consciousness of emotion,intuition, and intellect that
work together in thistriangulated fashion that help
create the physical worldexperience that we're having,
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including our bodies, etc.
And one of the most profoundthings to this day is that he
defined compassion, the capitalC, we say, as the fifth
fundamental force of theuniverse.
That it is the creativeintelligence that uses the other
four fundamental forces that arefound in science to impel the
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creation of the physical worldone step at a time.
And that book, ImaginingEinstein, is the one that got me
invited all over the world tospeak and teach and train and
share this amazing theoreticalscientific information that I,
you know, I'm all I want to bewas a rock star.
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Yeah.
Like I didn't I didn't knowanything about science.
SPEAKER_03 (20:59):
So that's amazing.
Wait, so you didn't know any ofthis until you is it like a
voice that you hear?
Is it is it how does that feellike?
SPEAKER_00 (21:09):
It is, it was, and for that one, what I did was I I
held maybe six or seven littlegroups and channeled.
And then one winter I took allof that and I sat down at my
computer to edit the book.
And then I really felt like hewas sitting like right here, and
he was, he'd say, I hear this,like, Google black holes.
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So I like, okay, I don't know,nothing.
Take these three terms, lens,observer, and source, which are
really terms of a black hole,and put them over here in our
map.
So it was really painstakingwork, and I really had to say,
suspend my own belief system tosay, okay, so what you're
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saying, Albert, is that thesource of everything is in the
center of the earth, itoriginates.
In the center of the planet, andit operates like a black hole.
Am I gonna get up on a stage andsay this to scientists?
They're gonna laugh me off thestage.
I have no idea, but I had totrust the process.
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And just as a sort of acompletion of all this, last
summer I was invited to speak ata conference in Barcelona called
the Science of ConsciousnessConference.
And it was on the 70thanniversary, almost to the day,
of Einstein's actual lastmanifesto that they read in
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London in 1955 after he died.
And it was a plea to worldleaders to resolve your
conflicts peacefully because noone will survive World War III.
That's what he said in 1955.
So when I presented my theory inthat conference, I was
delightfully shocked when I gotto the part about, okay, it's in
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the center of the earth and itoperates like a black hole.
And like three people were like,Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03 (23:08):
And I thought, I'm not alone.
Yeah, I'm not alone.
How terrifying.
So you're just being led and andand you don't know where it's
coming from or how you're gonnado it, but you just do it.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (23:21):
I love that.
I love that.
It's scary stuff, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (23:24):
It's scary, but when you when you've been through the
byproduct of it, which is somuch healing and so much good,
and my whole life turned around,and so many incredible things
happen every time I teachconflict revolution with people
who have been struggling withconflicts forever.
And in this moment, it's like wecall it the Rolodex effect.
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Remember the Rolodex card thing?
Oh, yeah.
Flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.
You go all the way back to, ohwow, I thought I've seen it this
way my whole life, but now I seeit this way.
How does that change everythingthat I imagined that I knew?
And so there's this greatliberation and opening.
SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
So, how did the um conflict revolution, how did
that start?
That came after um your book.
Um, what was the name of theEinstein?
Diaries of a second sorority.
So it came after that, or howdid that come about?
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Yeah, actually, um, after we did that with the girl,
I did that with the girls, and Iwas working at a nonprofit, a
women's nonprofit inMinneapolis, and I was
contracted in the marketingdepartment and in the programs
department, and they had beentrying to have a trifold
marketing piece created for theprogram department for nine
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months.
There was so much conflict thatthey couldn't even get a
trifold.
And because I was in bothdepartments, 15 minutes later,
here's your trifold.
And I went to the president andsaid, you know, I have this
process, I've never done itbefore, but would you let me do
a staff development with it?
And so I developed the firstconflict revolution workshop as
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that.
And then I began to train it inas personal empowerment.
We had women's women in thetrades programs, women coming
out of prison who were workingon cable and they needed to be
trained on anger management andthose things.
And and then I just startedtraining it on my own, holding
workshops and such.
And eventually um it gotincorporated into my writing.
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And not too long ago, I finallypublished the conflict
revolution handbook.
That's just a little simplething to watch, walk people
through it.
SPEAKER_03 (25:30):
So, what is the main um focus and then main um theme,
topic, or motto of conflictrevolution?
Like what is it that you'retrying to teach?
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Well, we have four pieces that you engage in on it.
You wake up in the morning afteryou say your prayer of gratitude
and what have you.
And it's that we work with thesethree human dimensions
intellect, intuition, andemotion.
And just like the organs of thebody, they work together, but
they have completely differentfunctions.
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And so many of us just it's likeone big blur.
Like, how do you know what yourintuition is?
And people often think thattheir emotion are thoughts and
their thoughts are emotions.
So we begin to teach peoplethese different parts of
themselves, and then we have ourwitness.
And the idea is to go about yourday from the point of the
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witness where you're observingthe present moment, what's going
on, but you're aware of thesepieces of yourself.
So what's going on emotionally,what's happening in your
intellect, what is yourintuition telling you?
And we teach people how to workwith those dimensions sort of in
a completely new way thatliberate you from that pattern
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trap.
You know, we all have patternswe play out, and oh, I thought I
was through this, but it's a wayto become aware of them and then
know how to break the patterns.
SPEAKER_03 (27:05):
I love that because I'm trying, I feel like I'm
four, I'm 46.
I just turned 46 in in November.
And I feel like in my 40s, I'mstarting to really um try to be
more in tune with, like you saidearlier, like if there's
conflict, what what was my part?
What can I control?
What did I contribute?
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How can I move um through theserelationships with certain
people that, you know, can'tjust like toss to the side
because they're a family memberor, you know, whatever the case
may be, um, learning to see themfor who they are and kind of
maneuver through that.
And so my conflict has alwaysbeen within, like, I feel like I
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have a strong intuition, butsometimes it feels like it's
like judgmental, or like yousaid, is it emotional?
How do you know if it's yourintuition or if it's just
something else, like yourhumanness um playing a part in
how you're feeling and thinking?
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
This is one of the greatest things I love about
this work is that when you getto know these three parts of
yourself and you begin tounderstand what emotion really
is, because a lot of times wehave emotion, like let's say we
have anger, but then there'sintellect, which is a completely
different energy, has acompletely different function,
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and there's there's angrythoughts.
And what happens generally isthe emotion rises up, it
triggers the angry thoughts,they mold together, we create
the story.
Well, it's my mother-in-law whois this, and then you don't know
how.
So we slow everything down andwe first deal with the emotion,
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which is that every emotionneeds to flow through our bodies
to be released, otherwise, theyget abscessed and they make us
sick and affect our perspective.
And to do that, we have toseparate the emotion from the
thoughts.
So now when I get triggered intoan emotion, my first reaction is
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to stop and start to breathe andjust move it.
Don't try to analyze it.
I don't try to figure out whereit came from.
Doesn't mean my thoughts aren'trunning rampant, but this
witness is able to, like awitness in a trial, who can
change the whole course of thetrial.
You can witness yourself andsay, wait a minute, I'm gonna
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empty out some of this emotionbecause we don't know.
Is it something you saved upsince childhood and all those
patterns?
Is it a past life emotion?
Is it the whole body of earthbecause we are all one?
It doesn't matter.
If it's in your body, we use ourbreath to move it and breathe
it.
And it's so amazing how quicklyyou can dispel a conflict, begin
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when you do that, when you takethe emotional charge out of it,
not by pushing it away, but byconsciously and intending to
redirect it as a flow throughyour breath.
And as you do that, it's sort oflike, you know, when emotion
hits intellect and yourintuition is in the middle of
it, you can't figure out what itis.
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So intuition is a smallimpelling, whether it's a
statement or you know, we haveit in different ways, you know,
chicken skin or you just knowwhat to do, to take the next
most advantageous step for thegood of whatever the whole
situation is.
That's what intuition is meantto be.
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And when that impelling comes,it's not about describing it,
it's not about rationalizing it,it's an imperative statement,
which means it's taking tellingyou to take action, stop and
breathe, back up, turn left.
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Oh, I can't turn left, I'll gothe wrong way.
Yes.
And you start to break themapart and experience them
individually, and what you beginto see is that the intellect and
the ego, which is contained inthe intellect, has been given
the power by God to say no tointuition, which to me is the
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voice of God within me.
SPEAKER_03 (31:23):
I and it I'm laughing because I I completely
understand what you're saying,because that's exactly what I
struggle with.
Yes, yes.
So intuition is God's voice, iswhat you just said.
And yeah, the intellect.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
We don't, our ego won't know what's for the good
of the whole.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Yeah, the intellect and it conflicts all the time.
It's just always just, and thenI call it my humanness.
My humanness wants to just dothis, and then this over here,
it's like saying no, and um babysteps.
I've I've grown a lot, I'vegrown a lot throughout the
years, and I just want tocontinue to grow and understand
that part of it because rightnow that's where my struggle is.
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Like anytime I get frustrated,it's because those things are
fighting within me, and Iunderstand.
I just don't know which iswhich, which one do I listen to,
which one do I follow?
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Feel that impelling in your heart region that's
gonna tell you to take a babystep.
In fact, is in fact we thinkintuition is gonna tell us
what's gonna happen next week,but it's about what's that step
right now.
And the other piece of this isthat when the intellect gets and
the ego gets all kind of bentout of shape because you know,
she disrespected me.
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I'm not gonna stop and forgiveher.
She disrespect.
Then we find a sound bite, alittle sound bite, because the
intellect can go on and on andon and on about okay, what's
your beef with her?
Well, she disrespected me, shedisrespected my time.
Okay, now let's revolve that.
Where are you disrespecting yourtime?
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Where are you disrespectingmaybe not her?
Maybe you've been nothing butkind and you get frustrated, but
you're still not gonna react.
But maybe it's over here whereyou're you've been treating
somebody else poorly, but mostof the time, this is my theory
after all these years, is thatthis is about our relationship
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to ourselves.
And how many times does ourintuition say no?
And our ego goes, Oh, yes.
Yep, all the time.
The source, uh, Einstein says,of all the conflicts that
manifest in the world, from thesmallest to the largest, where
we disregard our intuition andact on behalf of the ego.
SPEAKER_03 (33:43):
Yes, yes.
Okay, I get it.
I get it.
You've described it perfectly.
I completely understand.
And I think the frustrating partis having this conversation with
you.
Um, I and like us, you know, ifwe got into conflict, we
probably could figure it out.
How do you deal with people thataren't that don't understand any
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of what we just said becauseit's not even on their radar
because ego is what is gonnadrive them?
How do you interact with thosekind of people?
Especially if they're like inyour in your you know, family or
the world you can't walk awayfrom.
Yes.
I mean, you could, but you know,you can't, you know, you know
what I'm saying.
So how do you how do you dealwith that?
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
And that's the absolute genius of conflict
revolution is this is what we dofirst and foremost with
ourselves.
So in the case of our firstconflict, where I went to work
that day, and it's like, why isthis woman being so kind to me?
But this is an example.
I had a client in Norway, andshe had her beef was with her
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mother-in-law, and she wasBarbados from Barbados, married
to a Norwegian, and she hersound bite was my mother-in-law
wants to deport me.
So think about she and she at 25years she's had this conflict.
My mother-in-law has wanted todeport me for 25 years.
So think of what she's thinkingabout her mother-in-law, how you
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know her mind is creating allthese stories.
So we get to the process andshe's figuring it out, and she
looks at me and she goes, Youknow how this is gonna end,
don't you?
And I said, Well, yeah, but notbecause I'm some great psychic,
but because it's a formula.
So when we revolve it around tosay, Okay, so how are you gonna
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revolve that?
She wants to deport you, youwant to deport yourself.
And her eyes got big and teary,and she said, I'm so homesick.
I said, Well, why don't you goback to Barbados?
Oh, I can't, you know, thechildren and my husband.
And I'm thinking to myself,well, she's got like a
three-month-old and a you know,nine-month-old.
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And I was like, Well, how oldare your kids?
And she goes, 14 and 17.
I said, and your husband?
I mean, he makes a lot of money.
Oh, yeah, yeah, we'remillionaires.
What lie are you telling youyourself?
What codepellant lie are youtelling yourself?
And when she had that ahamoment, she came back the next
day and she said, Barbara, Ihave re-evaluated 25 years of
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what I have thought mymother-in-law was.
And now that I know it's not,suddenly they have a whole
different relationship.
Really?
And what we see is either theperson rises to the occasion,
sort of like the waitress, orthey disappear.
You just become a part of yourlife.
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And when you get it and youreact to them differently, and
suddenly you're not sittingaround at the family table in
internalizing, well, you know,hmm, you know, maybe politically
or whatever.
Well, you're not thinking that.
You have a whole different innerlife where you're you're taking
care of yourself, and suddenlyno one can really get to you but
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you, and you're seeing thatperson differently, they're
responding to you differently.
It's a really powerful kind ofmagical dynamic that happens.
I love that.
It's hard.
And I want to challenge you todo it, and then I want to find
out what happens.
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
Yeah.
I I I feel like I kind of um, ifyou know, for those who've
listened to like a lot of mystories and and podcast
episodes, you know, a lot of myum inner conflict came from uh
being a part of a blendedfamily.
And so I didn't get it, I didn'treally connect with my stepmom.
And she just passed away lastyear, and so she has a daughter
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that's from a previousrelationship.
And but we all grew up assiblings from a very young age.
And so just maneuvering throughthrough that world since
elementary school, I've been apart of, you know, they they
were my parents, my it was mydad and and her that married.
And I did that with her beforeshe passed away.
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I I I I did, and you're right,she she did respond differently.
But also, I feel like I becamelike a black sheep where it's
like I'm the one that vocalizesthe like this is not normal,
this is not okay, this is notright.
And and so I've had to deal witha lot of um, you know, just
getting rid of a lot of thatstuff and not caring what people
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think.
That part has been really,really hard because you know
they're over there talking aboutyou.
Oh, she's not this anymore andshe's not that anymore.
Cause I don't really, I mean, Iwas part of the problem, to be
honest.
I was part of the problem forfor many years.
So I understand what you say isyou can only control yourself,
but man, is that tough?
It's that's everyone thinks it'seasier said than done, and it
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is, but it it's possible.
So now she's passed away, and Ifeel like she passed past um,
she passed on the torch to mysister, my stepsister.
And so now we're dealing withthat.
And it's like um trying tofigure out that dynamic now.
SPEAKER_00 (39:00):
Cause well, you know, and those voices, we call
them the voices of culture thatwe grow up in.
You know, my father alwaysalways telling me, if it wasn't
for you, I'd be happy.
So I had these voices in my headprogrammed without knowing that
I would take those into theworld and be reacting in that
codependent way.
And when I stopped and turned tomyself, found those voices in my
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head and changed them into thevoices of compassion and love
for myself, taking care ofmyself first, that detaches.
Then somebody can be doing thosethings.
And trust me, black sheep allthe way.
And uh particularly, um, I'm aninvestigative reporter.
And in the past 10 years, I'veI've been ostracized by
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everybody on every side.
But when we know insideourselves and we're responsible
and taking responsibility forour own thought processes, um
things we detach then from thesister, stepsister, what have
you.
And when you truly have resolvedthose voices in your head that
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say, Well, you're the blacksheep and you're not good
enough, and you change them to,wait a minute, I am really, I am
good enough, and empty out.
There's a whole new world thatopens up.
I just had a client in a classwhose daughter was estranged
from her.
She didn't want anything to dowith her mother.
And this woman was a lawyer,very high-powered lawyer, and we
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got halfway through the classand it came out that she really
didn't want to be a lawyeranymore, but she was driving
herself.
And then there came a day whereshe said, you know, I found by
doing this work, I listened tomyself talk to this
five-year-old child within mejust hatefully.
I had no idea unless I wouldhave stopped and looked to see
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how mean I am to my own innerchild.
And I made steps to turn thatinto compassion and embrace the
child.
Shortly after that, her daughtercalled.
Oh wow.
And at the end of the class, shehad decided to quit being a
lawyer.
And when I heard from her afterChristmas, she said her daughter
wanted to spend all this timewith her, just out of the blue,
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came out and they're having thiscompletely new relationship.
So we have that power.
We just don't think that we do,I think.
SPEAKER_03 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Do you also believe though, withthat power, like God removes
people from your life, no matterthe who they are?
Yes.
Okay, okay.
I do too.
I just wanted to see if I was onan island by myself.
So that's the other thing.
It's like, Lord, um, you know, II do a lot of praying.
I do a lot of praying because,you know, when you get into a
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space like this where you'remore aware of feelings,
emotions, intuition, God, allthe things, the universe,
energy, um, you want to do rightby it.
You wanna, it's, it's, it's oneof those things where your eyes
are open and you have thiswisdom.
I mean, I'm not trying to saythat I have all this wisdom
because I feel like it keepsgrowing every day, but but it's
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more clarity.
But also, we're still humans.
So even though you have thatclarity, you still are in
conflict with emotions andfeelings and all of that.
But um I I found that if I justpray, he removes those that
aren't meant to be.
And these are like friendshipsfrom like years and years and
years where he just suddenlyjust removes them and you're
like, wait a minute, was it alla lie?
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Or what do you feel about that?
Do you feel about you know,seasons of people coming into
your life?
And and even if it's just forthat moment, how do you feel
about that?
SPEAKER_00 (42:39):
I I think we attract to us the people who are going
to teach us and reflect us.
So yeah, as long as I had allthese judgmental thoughts in my
head about me without realizingit was about me, I was
attracting people who were alsojudgmental of me.
So when I stop being ajudgmental of myself, and
there's this sort of humilityyou're talking about that we
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have when we pray and say, I dothe same thing.
It's like God, you know, make methe highest good and give me
clarity for what is for the goodof the whole.
And I think then we stop toattract those people.
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And as we grow, because we'realways growing, all the time
we're growing and learning.
And once baby step at a time, heremoves the people who are
judgmental when we stop beingjudgmental.
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
I've noticed that.
That's very powerful.
That part is powerful.
Um, it doesn't always feel goodwhen it's happening, but once
you're away from it, you'reyou're like, okay, I see what he
was doing.
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
It's the hardest work we could ever do.
Yeah.
I'm convinced.
It's why the world is like itis, because nobody wants to do
this.
SPEAKER_03 (43:54):
Exactly.
That's the truth.
So, what kind of impact do youfeel like?
um that you believe you can beteaching the world during um
through this conflictrevolution?
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
I think it's the answer.
I think it's the only way we'regonna have peace on earth.
It has to stop.
It has to start with everysingle individual looking at
their impact first and foremoston them, stopping being a victim
and blaming other people andthen turning to the world and
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having this intention to workfor the greatest good.
And when we start and take careof ourselves, that's the other
thing people don't take care ofthemselves.
They're looking for other peopleto take care of them and then
they're blaming other people.
But when we stop and do it andcreate this this condition
within us of love and thisunconditional love that gets
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filled I think God is love.
Yeah then things change aroundus without us even going at them
at that level that they're beingcreated as Einstein said.
And so that's my that's been mymission.
I think in it was July of 2023 Ileft my life behind to be this
uh take this mission that I'vebeen doing for decades into the
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world because things appear tobe getting worse and worse and
worse.
Yeah.
But I find also as things getworse and it's just like you
know you get into a crisis andyou're forced to have to change
I think that's what's happeningto the world and I'm seeing more
and more people opening up andrealizing that okay it's got to
start with me.
SPEAKER_03 (45:32):
So do you believe that there could be a
turnaround?
There's a lot of people in thisworld and there's a lot of
people that don't really careabout how they're affecting
other people.
So do you believe that that is apossibility?
SPEAKER_00 (45:43):
I I think we already are okay I think that this world
would be long gone if it wasn'tfor those of us with compassion
who are working for the good ofit.
And while it looks chaotic, youknow my life looked pretty
chaotic too as I was goingthrough the transformation and
some days I thought I'm notgonna make it but we just keep
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doing it dedicated to love andcompassion and aligning and
being the change starting withour small universe and you start
to see the changes in your smalluniverse one by one.
And then I think there's thisnew world of children coming in
that are going to have a wholedifferent sensibility that quite
naturally because of this I'mvery optimistic.
SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
That's so good to hear.
And I do see it in like I havethree kids one's uh 24 a son
that's about to be 18 and thenmy youngest is 15.
And like with her and her friendgroup you do see a lot more
compassion.
You feel um there's certainthings that there's just like no
nonsense with them.
And even though they're so younglike I can already see these um
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strong personalities likethey're convicted in certain
things um in their own littleworld you know it's like ah
we're not gonna hang out with soand so because he's bad
influencer you know just littlethings like that not getting
sucked into um peer pressure alot of them are sure of who they
are and it's actually veryrefreshing and I don't know how.
I was like I look at them andI'm like at that age I was so
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insecure I had no clue.
Good for you.
You guys are starting early Ilove that I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Yeah it's a God thing.
SPEAKER_03 (47:17):
Yeah it is it is um is there anything else you would
love to share because I I couldtalk about being a sidekick all
day long and asking morequestions.
SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
Is there anything else that you are um in the
process of doing that you wouldlike to share with with us well
I have a conflict revolutionchallenge on my website at
barbarowith.com and if you go tomy website and click on the
upper right hand corner you candownload a little instructions
about how to do it and thenthere's a workbook that you
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every day we give you adifferent thing to be aware of
and that you can begin topractice it and you can begin to
notate the changes that start tohappen in your in your microcosm
of your world and that's that'swhat I want to encourage people
to do.
And even if you don't do thatbut you hear this and like you
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said it makes so much senseright you just never thought of
it this way even if you justchange your thinking and change
your relationship to yourselfand start to take care of your
own needs there's gonna be ahuge huge shift so that's kind
of my mission these days.
I love it.
SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
I love it I'm gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna start
doing it because I already sitand and journal and all of that
because I do want to be a betterversion of myself every single
year every you know year afteryear.
So I I love that.
So it's uh barbawith.com yousaid yes and if anybody wants to
have a reading if you use thecoupon code Einstein you'll get
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half off okay and you just doeverything on the website yeah
okay I'm gonna I'm gonna reachout to you because I really want
a reading I I want to see wherewhere I am today because my last
reading was a while ago what wasthat you'll bloom I think so I
think so I appreciate you beingon with me Barbara well thank
you for having me and I'm gonnareach out for sure because I I
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really want a reading and I wantto be a part of this revolution
great I'm so excited thank youfor being on and we'll uh talk
to you soon bye bye all rightbye bye I'm gonna leave you all
with this I owe no one my peacetheir moods are not my
responsibility I choose calm Ichoose clarity I choose myself I
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do not react I do not chase I donot explain I stay grounded
steady and unbothered theirchaos is theirs my peace is mine
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I'm thrilled to welcome our guest, Barbara Wis.
She's an internationallyrecognized peace activist, an
award-winning author, and anintuitive thought leader, whose
work bridges science,spirituality, and human
consciousness.
With 35 plus years of experiencein the intuitive arts, Barbara
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has dedicated her life tofostering compassion, inner
transformation, and globalpeace.
Today she's here to share herinsights on inner
transformation, the nature ofconflict, and how each of us can
contribute to a more peacefulworld, one choice at a time.
So let's give a warm welcome toBarbara With.
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Hello.
Where are you in the world?
Um, I'm in Georgia.
I live in Georgia.
SPEAKER_00 (01:37):
What part of Georgia?
SPEAKER_03 (01:39):
I we live north of Atlanta, but we have a condo in
Tybee Island, which is outsideof Savannah.
And so we were here thisweekend.
So after this recording, we'reheading back home.
SPEAKER_00 (01:50):
I spent the last two winters in Americas.
SPEAKER_03 (01:53):
Oh, nice.
Okay, very nice.
And you're in Wisconsin?
SPEAKER_00 (01:57):
Yeah, right now I'm in Madison, but I live in
northern, I live in Matt, LakeSuperior on an island.
SPEAKER_03 (02:02):
Very nice.
I've never been in that area.
So welcome, Barbara with.
How are you?
SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
I'm I'm excellent.
Thank you.
And you?
SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
I'm doing well.
It was a nice relaxing umweekend.
It was just me and my husband.
We have three kids.
They're, you know, pretty muchindependent.
So it was nice just to get away.
SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
Good.
Well, it's uh 11 below here, soI'll be happy.
SPEAKER_03 (02:24):
Well, it's crazy because for us, we only get like
maybe one or two months ofwinter.
And so it's in the 20s and we'rejust freaking out over here,
like, oh my gosh, it's so cold.
Yeah, we're not used to it.
We're not used to it.
So, okay, so for those um whoare tuning in, this is Barbara
With.
I did some research on you, andyou have a lot of titles,
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Barbara With.
unknown (02:46):
Yes, I do.
SPEAKER_03 (02:47):
So I read that you're an international peace
activist.
You're an award-winning author.
I think I counted like sixbooks.
I don't know if it's more thanthat.
Um, you're a psychic channelwith over 38 years of experience
in the intuitive arts, aninspirational speaker, a
co-founder of ConflictRevolution, which is a
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revolution revolutionary way toresolve conflict, which I really
want to talk about that.
And then um I saw that you havea podcast called Let's Ask Barb.
So there's a lot of hats thatyou wear.
What let's talk about all yourmany gifts.
How did you get here?
Like, let's start from thebeginning.
SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
Well, I don't know if you mentioned that I'm a
composer and a musician.
SPEAKER_03 (03:32):
I'm oh, okay, I missed that part.
Nice.
SPEAKER_00 (03:34):
And that's kind of where it started was that I was
very young.
I started playing piano when Iwas five.
I started writing music when Iwas 12.
And by the time I got out ofhigh school, I went right out on
the road.
I had two solid sets of originalmusic, and I played for 20
years.
And the process of writingmusic, I used to describe when I
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was very young, I was going intothe nothing and listening for
the song that I think wasalready written.
And then I would bring back likefour bars of it and play that
and get the next four bars, andthat kind of set me up for being
a psychic channel.
Okay.
How was that?
Well, when I was in high school,I sort of accidentally came
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across one of my friend's moms,and he was like, You gotta come
see what my mom does.
It's like, what does your momdo?
Well, she was the psychicchannel, okay, and she would
close her eyes and get out ofthe way.
She had this beautiful pictureof Jesus, and she would talk to
me like she was in my head, likeshe had been in my family, which
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was very traumatic, and gave mejust compassionate insights into
how to maneuver through thesetraumas and these excites the
excitement of my music growing.
And so I grew up with that,knowing what being psychic meant
through my work with her.
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So when I started to quitespontaneously, it was started
with writing, I was writing aletter, and my hands got kind of
taken over, and all of thisbeautiful information was coming
out, not what I was intending tosay.
And when that happened, I knewwhat it was because of years
with Eunice, but I was stillvery surprised.
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And it was the process ofwriting music, I believe, in
retrospect, that set me up to beable to become this person who
could go into the nothing andclose my eyes and hear this
information and then speak it towhomever was sitting in front of
me.
And my mentor said she was agiant antenna.
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So that's how I felt aboutmyself.
I wasn't channeling anyone, Iwas just picking up this
information.
And so that's kind of how I gotstarted.
Wow.
SPEAKER_03 (05:59):
So you so when you say you sat with her, like do
you you hung out with her andand shadowed her, or how does
how did that work?
SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
I had regular readings with her, probably
twice a year for about 10 years.
SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
And that's how you learned and and grew your gift.
That's amazing.
Now, do you think that wasalways inside of you and she
helped bring that out, or howdoes that work with these kinds
of gifts?
SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
I think for me it was a destiny.
It was part of why I came hereand that she was sent to me to
help teach me and and keep me onthe straight and narrow, as it
were, because these gifts arevery could be used detrimentally
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and not to the greatest good.
And so there was a whole sort ofGod thing set up, I think, where
I was watched over and trained.
SPEAKER_03 (06:52):
So, like when people think of psychics, they always
think evil or it comes from likethe evil realm or evil spirits.
How do you feel about that andhow do you explain that?
SPEAKER_00 (07:04):
You know, I was just listening to someone on one of
my favorite podcasts talkingabout how this was all evil, and
I think and forgive the analogy,but this is how I feel about it
is that guns don't kill people,but people who pick up the gun
kill people.
Not that I'm, you know, a biggun advocate, but it really
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that's how it works.
And it's the same with beingpsychic, is that you can be
misguided to use it for yourselfish purposes.
And in that case, you become,I've seen psychics aggrandize
themselves because they havethis power and people come to
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them wanting to know the future.
People think if they know thefuture, there's gonna be some
magical thing that happens tothem, and then they they fill
themselves up with that power tobe able to say, Well, here's
what your future is gonna be.
And I I think that is not of thegreatest good.
I don't know if I would call itevil, but there's also a lot of
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stuff in the Bible that's beeninterpreted as far as you know,
psychic and tarot cards and wenot in the Bible, the Ouija
boards, but and and I thinkthere's a lot uh to be said
about that, of and there's agood conversation to be had
about how we use our gifts.
(08:29):
And mine has been just from thebeginning, I've been surrounded
by compassionate people, I'vebeen trained through my own
mistakes, as it were, and thenthrough the work that I
eventually did with Einstein toknow that we have to all be
working for the greatest good,starting with ourselves in in
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anything that we're doing, butparticularly in this.
You know, there was a I think itwas the Anglican, the Anglican
church in England who believedin psychics, and their whole
philosophy was they need to beincluded in the church and
watched over by the elders andthe the uh people who know
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because it is such a great gift.
So you get all kinds ofviewpoints.
I love it.
SPEAKER_03 (09:25):
I'm I'm just fascinated by this.
I've I've had some readings andit's it's quite fascinating.
Um, you know, because I'm abeliever, I you know, believe in
God and I have my faith.
And I've never thought that itwas evil.
I always feel like He gives usgifts.
And for those that don'tunderstand certain gifts, they
want to label it as bad orwhatever.
So I I I'm fascinated by likethe intuition and energy and all
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of that.
Um and I feel like sometimes ifwe listen, if we sit still and
listen, we all have that strongintuition that we normally just
ignore.
Is it tarot cards that you do,or do you feel like do you feel
uh compelled to tell peoplesomething?
Like if you're like at thestore, like how how does your
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gift work?
SPEAKER_00 (10:09):
Like the Long Island psychic goes into the meat
market to tell the guys.
You know, when I started, Istarted working with uh two
women, Kim and Teresa, who werejust not non-psychic.
And we started to do groupchanneling.
So we'd organize groups in ourliving room and record them and
transcribe them.
And during that initial period,I had a lot of information that
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was coming to me.
So for example, I was out on theski trail one day and I heard
this voice say Um a woman, awoman had skied by me and she
had a purple jacket on.
And the voice said, Tell thewoman in the purple jacket that
her brother, who is in trouble,everything will be fine in a
month.
And those kinds of things usedto happen to me, and I would
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immediately say, I am not goingup to a stranger and telling, I
mean, how am I gonna explain it?
And I said, Okay, if I get tothe end of the trail and the
woman with the purple jacket isthere, I'll say something.
And I got to the end of it, andit wasn't that woman, but it was
two other women, and they bothhad on purple jackets.
So I went up to the one womanand said, Excuse me, you're
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gonna think I'm a little loopy,but I hear these messages.
Do you have a brother?
She's like, I do.
Is he in trouble?
No, he's not in trouble.
And the other one said, I have abrother, and he's in trouble
because he I just found out thatthere had been some abuse in my
family as a as a child, and he'svery angry at me.
And this is my birthday, andwe're supposed to be skiing, but
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he's so mad at me right now thathe's not here.
And I said, Well, I guess in amonth if things are gonna even
out, and no one has ever, in allof the time that I've done this,
said, What are you talkingabout?
They say it would be an answerto a prayer, or I knew it.
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So I had a lot of that kind oftraining, but I got to a place
where I felt like that's not myjob.
I'm not here to deliver littlemessages, which is lovely, you
know, if you're distressed withyour brother and you have a
stranger come up and tell youthis.
But to me, those kinds ofpredicting the future things for
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individuals are a little bitlike parlor tricks.
Hey, look what I can do.
I I have found and was guided ona much bigger mission than that.
And so today in my life, I havecreated a privacy where I don't
want to know everything abouteveryone around me.
And if I opened up and tuned inand intended, I probably could,
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but I don't think that's my job.
SPEAKER_03 (12:48):
I like that.
I have a friend who um, youknow, she's just very unassuming
and she has that gift, but hersis more going up to people, like
how you said.
And and I've always asked her,like, how does that feel?
She says, you know, the word isgiven to her, she says it and
then she just walks away.
And it's not up to her to knowwhat the outcome is gonna be
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because I'm like nosy.
I'm like, I want to know if it'strue, what happened, uh, what's
the backstory.
And she's just it's she justlike she she gives it to them
and walks away.
And and what God does with it iswhat he does with it.
Um exactly.
So I love that.
I love how everyone finds theirwhat they're meant for.
Um, you mentioned Einstein.
(13:29):
So I've read a little bit aboutthat.
So let's talk about that becauseeverything that I researched
about you referred back toEinstein.
So I don't even know whatquestions to ask about that
because I don't really, I don't,I don't know.
So let's let's get into that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:43):
Well, I'll tell you how I met him.
Okay.
Okay.
So Teresa and Q and I, we callourselves the psychic sorority.
We put out our book, uh, Diariesof a Psychic Sorority.
And the basic gist of this bookwas that these angels suddenly,
when we I started channeling andthe girl said, Who are you?
And they said, Well, we'reangels.
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And I was like, Really?
But they said they had thistheoretical process that if us
humans would first resolve ourconflicts within us in this way,
that the natural byproduct wouldbe the manifestation of peace
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around us.
And they needed some humans whowere having actual conflicts to
test their theory on.
And apparently the three of usvolunteered and were chosen to
be those bearers of information.
And sure enough, there came apoint in our association where
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we got into conflict, and itkind of grew, and we were all
excited about the mission wewere on, but you couldn't deny
it.
Nobody wants to deal withconflict, you know, no one wants
to deal with conflict.
So we finally we sat down at mydining room table one day and we
started out, and I was like,Well, you know, this and this
and this, and Kim and this andthis.
(15:05):
And Kim was like, Yes, but thisand Barb and Kim, and so it
started to escalate like youwould imagine it would.
And I said, wait a minute, wejust did this session, it was
called conflict resolution, butwe transcribed it.
I said, Let me go get it andlet's see what they tell us to
do.
And the sentence that I readwas, if you're emotionally
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involved in a conflict, the rootof your part of it is within
you.
And that was very profound forme at the time because I was
very much a projector and avictim.
And when I read it, there wassort of this God moment where we
all went, huh?
And then this kind of swoosh ofoh, and we started crying, and I
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came back to the table and said,you know what, here's what I can
do better.
And Kim did the same thing, andwe had this miraculous outcome.
And I'd never been in asituation with a conflict where
we stopped in midstream and weeach took responsibility for our
part.
But what was the most profoundwas that night I was singing at
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a club in Minneapolis and therewas a waitress there who wanted
nothing to do with me, and Ididn't care about it.
But I walked in that night andshe could not get enough.
Oh, Barbara, how have you been?
And she put$20 in my tip jar andshe had to give me these
cassette tapes of music shethought I'd like.
And the skeptical old me waslike, What's going on here?
(16:33):
And then I had that aha moment.
This is what these angels said.
If we first resolve our conflicthere, things naturally change
around us in ways that we can'tgo at at the arena that it's
being created.
So when we published our book,my literary agent got a call
from a tabloid in London who waslooking for an interview with
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Princess Diana on the one-yearanniversary of her death.
And skeptical me said, What?
How does that work?
What would that be like?
And I've never figured that out,but okay, I'll try it.
So I sat down and I channeledthe questions and the answers,
and I read it off and I justwept.
It was so beautiful, it was soprofound.
(17:17):
And of course, she was very muchabout world peace.
Yeah.
But, you know, stuff about Harryand William that have since sort
of blossomed.
And so the tabloid flew me outto New York, didn't want the
interview.
And my agent and I wrote down abunch of names.
Maybe there's more famous peoplewho want to talk, and I would
imagine I'd go to them and it'slike Elvis, I get in too much
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trouble, and Mother Teresa wastired.
And the next one was uh NicoleBrown Simpson.
Oh wow.
Because it had just been a yearsince the trial.
And that was really profound forme to read what she had to say.
And along the way, we got toJohn Kennedy, and he said, at
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his, among other many things, hesaid, This isn't your idea.
We are a group of souls inafterlife, and we've come
together to help you createworld peace.
And we'll tell you who's next.
And Einstein wasn't even on ourlist.
And so when Einstein came up andI closed my eyes and started to
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channel, it was the voice of allof my readings.
And it shocked me.
It took me about three years tocome to terms with the idea that
Einstein had been an angel, oneof the angels.
And so that's how I gotintroduced to him.
(18:44):
And in that interview, that wasmy next book, Party of 12 the
Afterlife interviews.
When 2005 rolled around and itwas the hundred-year anniversary
of E equals MC squared, Ithought, hey, let's just do a
little book with Einstein.
And um, I had no idea what hewas gonna say, I had no
anticipation that he sayanything.
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And what he did was, among othermind-blowing things, was he
delivered to me a theoreticalunified field theory.
And what that is, for many whodon't know, is that right now in
science, there's no one formulathat explains how the planets in
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the macrocosm work in the sameway as the molecules in the
microcosm.
So science has been looking forthis unified field, like how do
we explain everything sinceEinstein's time?
And so he delivered thistheoretical uh theory along with
what he called the map of humanconsciousness, which means that
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we don't have a physical worldunless we're involved in it,
unless we as humans are engagedin it.
And it's our three humandimensions in this map of human
consciousness of emotion,intuition, and intellect that
work together in thistriangulated fashion that help
create the physical worldexperience that we're having,
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including our bodies, etc.
And one of the most profoundthings to this day is that he
defined compassion, the capitalC, we say, as the fifth
fundamental force of theuniverse.
That it is the creativeintelligence that uses the other
four fundamental forces that arefound in science to impel the
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creation of the physical worldone step at a time.
And that book, ImaginingEinstein, is the one that got me
invited all over the world tospeak and teach and train and
share this amazing theoreticalscientific information that I,
you know, I'm all I want to bewas a rock star.
(20:57):
Yeah.
Like I didn't I didn't knowanything about science.
SPEAKER_03 (20:59):
So that's amazing.
Wait, so you didn't know any ofthis until you is it like a
voice that you hear?
Is it is it how does that feellike?
SPEAKER_00 (21:09):
It is, it was, and for that one, what I did was I I
held maybe six or seven littlegroups and channeled.
And then one winter I took allof that and I sat down at my
computer to edit the book.
And then I really felt like hewas sitting like right here, and
he was, he'd say, I hear this,like, Google black holes.
(21:31):
So I like, okay, I don't know,nothing.
Take these three terms, lens,observer, and source, which are
really terms of a black hole,and put them over here in our
map.
So it was really painstakingwork, and I really had to say,
suspend my own belief system tosay, okay, so what you're
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saying, Albert, is that thesource of everything is in the
center of the earth, itoriginates.
In the center of the planet, andit operates like a black hole.
Am I gonna get up on a stage andsay this to scientists?
They're gonna laugh me off thestage.
I have no idea, but I had totrust the process.
(22:15):
And just as a sort of acompletion of all this, last
summer I was invited to speak ata conference in Barcelona called
the Science of ConsciousnessConference.
And it was on the 70thanniversary, almost to the day,
of Einstein's actual lastmanifesto that they read in
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London in 1955 after he died.
And it was a plea to worldleaders to resolve your
conflicts peacefully because noone will survive World War III.
That's what he said in 1955.
So when I presented my theory inthat conference, I was
delightfully shocked when I gotto the part about, okay, it's in
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the center of the earth and itoperates like a black hole.
And like three people were like,Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_03 (23:08):
And I thought, I'm not alone.
Yeah, I'm not alone.
How terrifying.
So you're just being led and andand you don't know where it's
coming from or how you're gonnado it, but you just do it.
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (23:21):
I love that.
I love that.
It's scary stuff, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00 (23:24):
It's scary, but when you when you've been through the
byproduct of it, which is somuch healing and so much good,
and my whole life turned around,and so many incredible things
happen every time I teachconflict revolution with people
who have been struggling withconflicts forever.
And in this moment, it's like wecall it the Rolodex effect.
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Remember the Rolodex card thing?
Oh, yeah.
Flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.
You go all the way back to, ohwow, I thought I've seen it this
way my whole life, but now I seeit this way.
How does that change everythingthat I imagined that I knew?
And so there's this greatliberation and opening.
SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
So, how did the um conflict revolution, how did
that start?
That came after um your book.
Um, what was the name of theEinstein?
Diaries of a second sorority.
So it came after that, or howdid that come about?
SPEAKER_00 (24:18):
Yeah, actually, um, after we did that with the girl,
I did that with the girls, and Iwas working at a nonprofit, a
women's nonprofit inMinneapolis, and I was
contracted in the marketingdepartment and in the programs
department, and they had beentrying to have a trifold
marketing piece created for theprogram department for nine
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months.
There was so much conflict thatthey couldn't even get a
trifold.
And because I was in bothdepartments, 15 minutes later,
here's your trifold.
And I went to the president andsaid, you know, I have this
process, I've never done itbefore, but would you let me do
a staff development with it?
And so I developed the firstconflict revolution workshop as
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that.
And then I began to train it inas personal empowerment.
We had women's women in thetrades programs, women coming
out of prison who were workingon cable and they needed to be
trained on anger management andthose things.
And and then I just startedtraining it on my own, holding
workshops and such.
And eventually um it gotincorporated into my writing.
(25:23):
And not too long ago, I finallypublished the conflict
revolution handbook.
That's just a little simplething to watch, walk people
through it.
SPEAKER_03 (25:30):
So, what is the main um focus and then main um theme,
topic, or motto of conflictrevolution?
Like what is it that you'retrying to teach?
SPEAKER_00 (25:41):
Well, we have four pieces that you engage in on it.
You wake up in the morning afteryou say your prayer of gratitude
and what have you.
And it's that we work with thesethree human dimensions
intellect, intuition, andemotion.
And just like the organs of thebody, they work together, but
they have completely differentfunctions.
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And so many of us just it's likeone big blur.
Like, how do you know what yourintuition is?
And people often think thattheir emotion are thoughts and
their thoughts are emotions.
So we begin to teach peoplethese different parts of
themselves, and then we have ourwitness.
And the idea is to go about yourday from the point of the
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witness where you're observingthe present moment, what's going
on, but you're aware of thesepieces of yourself.
So what's going on emotionally,what's happening in your
intellect, what is yourintuition telling you?
And we teach people how to workwith those dimensions sort of in
a completely new way thatliberate you from that pattern
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trap.
You know, we all have patternswe play out, and oh, I thought I
was through this, but it's a wayto become aware of them and then
know how to break the patterns.
SPEAKER_03 (27:05):
I love that because I'm trying, I feel like I'm
four, I'm 46.
I just turned 46 in in November.
And I feel like in my 40s, I'mstarting to really um try to be
more in tune with, like you saidearlier, like if there's
conflict, what what was my part?
What can I control?
What did I contribute?
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How can I move um through theserelationships with certain
people that, you know, can'tjust like toss to the side
because they're a family memberor, you know, whatever the case
may be, um, learning to see themfor who they are and kind of
maneuver through that.
And so my conflict has alwaysbeen within, like, I feel like I
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have a strong intuition, butsometimes it feels like it's
like judgmental, or like yousaid, is it emotional?
How do you know if it's yourintuition or if it's just
something else, like yourhumanness um playing a part in
how you're feeling and thinking?
SPEAKER_00 (28:04):
This is one of the greatest things I love about
this work is that when you getto know these three parts of
yourself and you begin tounderstand what emotion really
is, because a lot of times wehave emotion, like let's say we
have anger, but then there'sintellect, which is a completely
different energy, has acompletely different function,
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and there's there's angrythoughts.
And what happens generally isthe emotion rises up, it
triggers the angry thoughts,they mold together, we create
the story.
Well, it's my mother-in-law whois this, and then you don't know
how.
So we slow everything down andwe first deal with the emotion,
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which is that every emotionneeds to flow through our bodies
to be released, otherwise, theyget abscessed and they make us
sick and affect our perspective.
And to do that, we have toseparate the emotion from the
thoughts.
So now when I get triggered intoan emotion, my first reaction is
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to stop and start to breathe andjust move it.
Don't try to analyze it.
I don't try to figure out whereit came from.
Doesn't mean my thoughts aren'trunning rampant, but this
witness is able to, like awitness in a trial, who can
change the whole course of thetrial.
You can witness yourself andsay, wait a minute, I'm gonna
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empty out some of this emotionbecause we don't know.
Is it something you saved upsince childhood and all those
patterns?
Is it a past life emotion?
Is it the whole body of earthbecause we are all one?
It doesn't matter.
If it's in your body, we use ourbreath to move it and breathe
it.
And it's so amazing how quicklyyou can dispel a conflict, begin
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when you do that, when you takethe emotional charge out of it,
not by pushing it away, but byconsciously and intending to
redirect it as a flow throughyour breath.
And as you do that, it's sort oflike, you know, when emotion
hits intellect and yourintuition is in the middle of
it, you can't figure out what itis.
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So intuition is a smallimpelling, whether it's a
statement or you know, we haveit in different ways, you know,
chicken skin or you just knowwhat to do, to take the next
most advantageous step for thegood of whatever the whole
situation is.
That's what intuition is meantto be.
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And when that impelling comes,it's not about describing it,
it's not about rationalizing it,it's an imperative statement,
which means it's taking tellingyou to take action, stop and
breathe, back up, turn left.
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Oh, I can't turn left, I'll gothe wrong way.
Yes.
And you start to break themapart and experience them
individually, and what you beginto see is that the intellect and
the ego, which is contained inthe intellect, has been given
the power by God to say no tointuition, which to me is the
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voice of God within me.
SPEAKER_03 (31:23):
I and it I'm laughing because I I completely
understand what you're saying,because that's exactly what I
struggle with.
Yes, yes.
So intuition is God's voice, iswhat you just said.
And yeah, the intellect.
SPEAKER_00 (31:38):
We don't, our ego won't know what's for the good
of the whole.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:41):
Yeah, the intellect and it conflicts all the time.
It's just always just, and thenI call it my humanness.
My humanness wants to just dothis, and then this over here,
it's like saying no, and um babysteps.
I've I've grown a lot, I'vegrown a lot throughout the
years, and I just want tocontinue to grow and understand
that part of it because rightnow that's where my struggle is.
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Like anytime I get frustrated,it's because those things are
fighting within me, and Iunderstand.
I just don't know which iswhich, which one do I listen to,
which one do I follow?
SPEAKER_00 (32:14):
Feel that impelling in your heart region that's
gonna tell you to take a babystep.
In fact, is in fact we thinkintuition is gonna tell us
what's gonna happen next week,but it's about what's that step
right now.
And the other piece of this isthat when the intellect gets and
the ego gets all kind of bentout of shape because you know,
she disrespected me.
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I'm not gonna stop and forgiveher.
She disrespect.
Then we find a sound bite, alittle sound bite, because the
intellect can go on and on andon and on about okay, what's
your beef with her?
Well, she disrespected me, shedisrespected my time.
Okay, now let's revolve that.
Where are you disrespecting yourtime?
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Where are you disrespectingmaybe not her?
Maybe you've been nothing butkind and you get frustrated, but
you're still not gonna react.
But maybe it's over here whereyou're you've been treating
somebody else poorly, but mostof the time, this is my theory
after all these years, is thatthis is about our relationship
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to ourselves.
And how many times does ourintuition say no?
And our ego goes, Oh, yes.
Yep, all the time.
The source, uh, Einstein says,of all the conflicts that
manifest in the world, from thesmallest to the largest, where
we disregard our intuition andact on behalf of the ego.
SPEAKER_03 (33:43):
Yes, yes.
Okay, I get it.
I get it.
You've described it perfectly.
I completely understand.
And I think the frustrating partis having this conversation with
you.
Um, I and like us, you know, ifwe got into conflict, we
probably could figure it out.
How do you deal with people thataren't that don't understand any
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of what we just said becauseit's not even on their radar
because ego is what is gonnadrive them?
How do you interact with thosekind of people?
Especially if they're like inyour in your you know, family or
the world you can't walk awayfrom.
Yes.
I mean, you could, but you know,you can't, you know, you know
what I'm saying.
So how do you how do you dealwith that?
SPEAKER_00 (34:26):
And that's the absolute genius of conflict
revolution is this is what we dofirst and foremost with
ourselves.
So in the case of our firstconflict, where I went to work
that day, and it's like, why isthis woman being so kind to me?
But this is an example.
I had a client in Norway, andshe had her beef was with her
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mother-in-law, and she wasBarbados from Barbados, married
to a Norwegian, and she hersound bite was my mother-in-law
wants to deport me.
So think about she and she at 25years she's had this conflict.
My mother-in-law has wanted todeport me for 25 years.
So think of what she's thinkingabout her mother-in-law, how you
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know her mind is creating allthese stories.
So we get to the process andshe's figuring it out, and she
looks at me and she goes, Youknow how this is gonna end,
don't you?
And I said, Well, yeah, but notbecause I'm some great psychic,
but because it's a formula.
So when we revolve it around tosay, Okay, so how are you gonna
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revolve that?
She wants to deport you, youwant to deport yourself.
And her eyes got big and teary,and she said, I'm so homesick.
I said, Well, why don't you goback to Barbados?
Oh, I can't, you know, thechildren and my husband.
And I'm thinking to myself,well, she's got like a
three-month-old and a you know,nine-month-old.
(35:49):
And I was like, Well, how oldare your kids?
And she goes, 14 and 17.
I said, and your husband?
I mean, he makes a lot of money.
Oh, yeah, yeah, we'remillionaires.
What lie are you telling youyourself?
What codepellant lie are youtelling yourself?
And when she had that ahamoment, she came back the next
day and she said, Barbara, Ihave re-evaluated 25 years of
(36:14):
what I have thought mymother-in-law was.
And now that I know it's not,suddenly they have a whole
different relationship.
Really?
And what we see is either theperson rises to the occasion,
sort of like the waitress, orthey disappear.
You just become a part of yourlife.
(36:37):
And when you get it and youreact to them differently, and
suddenly you're not sittingaround at the family table in
internalizing, well, you know,hmm, you know, maybe politically
or whatever.
Well, you're not thinking that.
You have a whole different innerlife where you're you're taking
care of yourself, and suddenlyno one can really get to you but
(37:00):
you, and you're seeing thatperson differently, they're
responding to you differently.
It's a really powerful kind ofmagical dynamic that happens.
I love that.
It's hard.
And I want to challenge you todo it, and then I want to find
out what happens.
SPEAKER_03 (37:16):
Yeah.
I I I feel like I kind of um, ifyou know, for those who've
listened to like a lot of mystories and and podcast
episodes, you know, a lot of myum inner conflict came from uh
being a part of a blendedfamily.
And so I didn't get it, I didn'treally connect with my stepmom.
And she just passed away lastyear, and so she has a daughter
(37:40):
that's from a previousrelationship.
And but we all grew up assiblings from a very young age.
And so just maneuvering throughthrough that world since
elementary school, I've been apart of, you know, they they
were my parents, my it was mydad and and her that married.
And I did that with her beforeshe passed away.
(38:02):
I I I I did, and you're right,she she did respond differently.
But also, I feel like I becamelike a black sheep where it's
like I'm the one that vocalizesthe like this is not normal,
this is not okay, this is notright.
And and so I've had to deal witha lot of um, you know, just
getting rid of a lot of thatstuff and not caring what people
(38:25):
think.
That part has been really,really hard because you know
they're over there talking aboutyou.
Oh, she's not this anymore andshe's not that anymore.
Cause I don't really, I mean, Iwas part of the problem, to be
honest.
I was part of the problem forfor many years.
So I understand what you say isyou can only control yourself,
but man, is that tough?
It's that's everyone thinks it'seasier said than done, and it
(38:46):
is, but it it's possible.
So now she's passed away, and Ifeel like she passed past um,
she passed on the torch to mysister, my stepsister.
And so now we're dealing withthat.
And it's like um trying tofigure out that dynamic now.
SPEAKER_00 (39:00):
Cause well, you know, and those voices, we call
them the voices of culture thatwe grow up in.
You know, my father alwaysalways telling me, if it wasn't
for you, I'd be happy.
So I had these voices in my headprogrammed without knowing that
I would take those into theworld and be reacting in that
codependent way.
And when I stopped and turned tomyself, found those voices in my
(39:24):
head and changed them into thevoices of compassion and love
for myself, taking care ofmyself first, that detaches.
Then somebody can be doing thosethings.
And trust me, black sheep allthe way.
And uh particularly, um, I'm aninvestigative reporter.
And in the past 10 years, I'veI've been ostracized by
(39:46):
everybody on every side.
But when we know insideourselves and we're responsible
and taking responsibility forour own thought processes, um
things we detach then from thesister, stepsister, what have
you.
And when you truly have resolvedthose voices in your head that
(40:09):
say, Well, you're the blacksheep and you're not good
enough, and you change them to,wait a minute, I am really, I am
good enough, and empty out.
There's a whole new world thatopens up.
I just had a client in a classwhose daughter was estranged
from her.
She didn't want anything to dowith her mother.
And this woman was a lawyer,very high-powered lawyer, and we
(40:31):
got halfway through the classand it came out that she really
didn't want to be a lawyeranymore, but she was driving
herself.
And then there came a day whereshe said, you know, I found by
doing this work, I listened tomyself talk to this
five-year-old child within mejust hatefully.
I had no idea unless I wouldhave stopped and looked to see
(40:55):
how mean I am to my own innerchild.
And I made steps to turn thatinto compassion and embrace the
child.
Shortly after that, her daughtercalled.
Oh wow.
And at the end of the class, shehad decided to quit being a
lawyer.
And when I heard from her afterChristmas, she said her daughter
wanted to spend all this timewith her, just out of the blue,
(41:17):
came out and they're having thiscompletely new relationship.
So we have that power.
We just don't think that we do,I think.
SPEAKER_03 (41:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Do you also believe though, withthat power, like God removes
people from your life, no matterthe who they are?
Yes.
Okay, okay.
I do too.
I just wanted to see if I was onan island by myself.
So that's the other thing.
It's like, Lord, um, you know, II do a lot of praying.
I do a lot of praying because,you know, when you get into a
(41:46):
space like this where you'remore aware of feelings,
emotions, intuition, God, allthe things, the universe,
energy, um, you want to do rightby it.
You wanna, it's, it's, it's oneof those things where your eyes
are open and you have thiswisdom.
I mean, I'm not trying to saythat I have all this wisdom
because I feel like it keepsgrowing every day, but but it's
(42:06):
more clarity.
But also, we're still humans.
So even though you have thatclarity, you still are in
conflict with emotions andfeelings and all of that.
But um I I found that if I justpray, he removes those that
aren't meant to be.
And these are like friendshipsfrom like years and years and
years where he just suddenlyjust removes them and you're
like, wait a minute, was it alla lie?
(42:29):
Or what do you feel about that?
Do you feel about you know,seasons of people coming into
your life?
And and even if it's just forthat moment, how do you feel
about that?
SPEAKER_00 (42:39):
I I think we attract to us the people who are going
to teach us and reflect us.
So yeah, as long as I had allthese judgmental thoughts in my
head about me without realizingit was about me, I was
attracting people who were alsojudgmental of me.
So when I stop being ajudgmental of myself, and
there's this sort of humilityyou're talking about that we
(43:02):
have when we pray and say, I dothe same thing.
It's like God, you know, make methe highest good and give me
clarity for what is for the goodof the whole.
And I think then we stop toattract those people.
(43:23):
And as we grow, because we'realways growing, all the time
we're growing and learning.
And once baby step at a time, heremoves the people who are
judgmental when we stop beingjudgmental.
SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
I've noticed that.
That's very powerful.
That part is powerful.
Um, it doesn't always feel goodwhen it's happening, but once
you're away from it, you'reyou're like, okay, I see what he
was doing.
SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
It's the hardest work we could ever do.
Yeah.
I'm convinced.
It's why the world is like itis, because nobody wants to do
this.
SPEAKER_03 (43:54):
Exactly.
That's the truth.
So, what kind of impact do youfeel like?
um that you believe you can beteaching the world during um
through this conflictrevolution?
SPEAKER_00 (44:05):
I think it's the answer.
I think it's the only way we'regonna have peace on earth.
It has to stop.
It has to start with everysingle individual looking at
their impact first and foremoston them, stopping being a victim
and blaming other people andthen turning to the world and
(44:26):
having this intention to workfor the greatest good.
And when we start and take careof ourselves, that's the other
thing people don't take care ofthemselves.
They're looking for other peopleto take care of them and then
they're blaming other people.
But when we stop and do it andcreate this this condition
within us of love and thisunconditional love that gets
(44:48):
filled I think God is love.
Yeah then things change aroundus without us even going at them
at that level that they're beingcreated as Einstein said.
And so that's my that's been mymission.
I think in it was July of 2023 Ileft my life behind to be this
uh take this mission that I'vebeen doing for decades into the
(45:11):
world because things appear tobe getting worse and worse and
worse.
Yeah.
But I find also as things getworse and it's just like you
know you get into a crisis andyou're forced to have to change
I think that's what's happeningto the world and I'm seeing more
and more people opening up andrealizing that okay it's got to
start with me.
SPEAKER_03 (45:32):
So do you believe that there could be a
turnaround?
There's a lot of people in thisworld and there's a lot of
people that don't really careabout how they're affecting
other people.
So do you believe that that is apossibility?
SPEAKER_00 (45:43):
I I think we already are okay I think that this world
would be long gone if it wasn'tfor those of us with compassion
who are working for the good ofit.
And while it looks chaotic, youknow my life looked pretty
chaotic too as I was goingthrough the transformation and
some days I thought I'm notgonna make it but we just keep
(46:04):
doing it dedicated to love andcompassion and aligning and
being the change starting withour small universe and you start
to see the changes in your smalluniverse one by one.
And then I think there's thisnew world of children coming in
that are going to have a wholedifferent sensibility that quite
naturally because of this I'mvery optimistic.
SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
That's so good to hear.
And I do see it in like I havethree kids one's uh 24 a son
that's about to be 18 and thenmy youngest is 15.
And like with her and her friendgroup you do see a lot more
compassion.
You feel um there's certainthings that there's just like no
nonsense with them.
And even though they're so younglike I can already see these um
(46:48):
strong personalities likethey're convicted in certain
things um in their own littleworld you know it's like ah
we're not gonna hang out with soand so because he's bad
influencer you know just littlethings like that not getting
sucked into um peer pressure alot of them are sure of who they
are and it's actually veryrefreshing and I don't know how.
I was like I look at them andI'm like at that age I was so
(47:11):
insecure I had no clue.
Good for you.
You guys are starting early Ilove that I love it.
SPEAKER_00 (47:16):
Yeah it's a God thing.
SPEAKER_03 (47:17):
Yeah it is it is um is there anything else you would
love to share because I I couldtalk about being a sidekick all
day long and asking morequestions.
SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
Is there anything else that you are um in the
process of doing that you wouldlike to share with with us well
I have a conflict revolutionchallenge on my website at
barbarowith.com and if you go tomy website and click on the
upper right hand corner you candownload a little instructions
about how to do it and thenthere's a workbook that you
(47:48):
every day we give you adifferent thing to be aware of
and that you can begin topractice it and you can begin to
notate the changes that start tohappen in your in your microcosm
of your world and that's that'swhat I want to encourage people
to do.
And even if you don't do thatbut you hear this and like you
(48:10):
said it makes so much senseright you just never thought of
it this way even if you justchange your thinking and change
your relationship to yourselfand start to take care of your
own needs there's gonna be ahuge huge shift so that's kind
of my mission these days.
I love it.
SPEAKER_03 (48:27):
I love it I'm gonna go I'm gonna I'm gonna start
doing it because I already sitand and journal and all of that
because I do want to be a betterversion of myself every single
year every you know year afteryear.
So I I love that.
So it's uh barbawith.com yousaid yes and if anybody wants to
have a reading if you use thecoupon code Einstein you'll get
(48:48):
half off okay and you just doeverything on the website yeah
okay I'm gonna I'm gonna reachout to you because I really want
a reading I I want to see wherewhere I am today because my last
reading was a while ago what wasthat you'll bloom I think so I
think so I appreciate you beingon with me Barbara well thank
you for having me and I'm gonnareach out for sure because I I
(49:10):
really want a reading and I wantto be a part of this revolution
great I'm so excited thank youfor being on and we'll uh talk
to you soon bye bye all rightbye bye I'm gonna leave you all
with this I owe no one my peacetheir moods are not my
responsibility I choose calm Ichoose clarity I choose myself I
(49:35):
do not react I do not chase I donot explain I stay grounded
steady and unbothered theirchaos is theirs my peace is mine
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