October 5, 2025 • 44 mins
Federal agents rappeling from Black Hawk helicopters onto Chicago apartments. A U.S. citizen shot by Border Patrol. Military brass are humiliated at Quantico while being told to use American cities as "training grounds."
Robin discusses her thoughts Operation Midway Blitz's 800+ arrests, Portland's federal occupation, and the systematic removal of military accountability. Why are veteran lawmakers calling these actions "borderline fascist?"
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FEATURED TOPICS: Immigration enforcement, ICE raids, Border Patrol operations, sanctuary cities, federal vs state authority, military deployment domestic, National Guard activation, civil liberties violations, Fourth Amendment, First Amendment, constitutional law, executive overreach, authoritarianism America, democracy crisis, civilian oversight military, Rules of Engagement, Inspector General, military accountability, Chicago protests, Portland protests, police brutality, federal agents, DHS operations, Trump administration, Pete Hegseth, Department of War, Quantico speech, fascism America, civil rights
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Robin discusses her thoughts Operation Midway Blitz's 800+ arrests, Portland's federal occupation, and the systematic removal of military accountability. Why are veteran lawmakers calling these actions "borderline fascist?"
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FEATURED TOPICS: Immigration enforcement, ICE raids, Border Patrol operations, sanctuary cities, federal vs state authority, military deployment domestic, National Guard activation, civil liberties violations, Fourth Amendment, First Amendment, constitutional law, executive overreach, authoritarianism America, democracy crisis, civilian oversight military, Rules of Engagement, Inspector General, military accountability, Chicago protests, Portland protests, police brutality, federal agents, DHS operations, Trump administration, Pete Hegseth, Department of War, Quantico speech, fascism America, civil rights
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Sunny spaces, smiling faces, happy places. But every sunny space
holds a shadow. Behind every smile, our sharp teeth, and
every happy place has something sinister lurking just below the surface.
Welcome to We Saw the Devil, the podcast diving deep
(00:22):
into the chilling realms of true crime. Join your host
Robin as she unravels mysteries that have left investigators baffled
and armchair sleuth's obsessed. Be forewarned, Dear listener, We Saw
the Devil is not for the faint of heart. Our
unflinching exploration will take you to the darkest corners of
the psyche and through the unimaginable depths of human darkness
(00:45):
to unearth stark secrets. To the harsh light of day.
Nothing will be left untouched. Are you ready? Are you sure?
We Saw the Devil? Hello?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Every one, you are listening to Red, White and Bruised.
This is Robin. This is episode two, and I'm gonna
be honest. I didn't plan on doing this series, but
watching what's happening in this country, the chaos, the cruelty,
the absolute batshittery that passes for leadership, I hit a
point where I just couldn't scroll by and do a
(01:22):
podcast on things that to me seemingly a lot of
the time, it just doesn't matter. I'm obviously not a politician,
I'm obviously not an influencer. I'm just a heavily concerned citizen,
someone who's shocked, appalled, and over it. So this series
is my way of processing all of it, the headlines,
(01:43):
the startling hypocrisy, the gas lighting that we're seeing everywhere,
the good, the bad, just every single week. This is
my decompression. I believe in people, I believe in decency,
and I want to make it explicitly clear right off
the bat here that I am against violence, but silence.
That's what God is here. So if you're tired of
(02:03):
pretending everything's fine when it very clearly is not welcome,
this is Red, White, and Bruised Episode two. Every single Sunday,
I'm going to drop an episode the bullshit, the national
nervous breakdown that we're all going through, all in hope
of more or less finding something that still makes sense together.
So last week, one of the things that I mentioned
(02:24):
that I was looking out for. I mentioned this on
the previous episode, and it was really something that I
wanted to look at And that was when senior military
leadership gathered at Marine Corps based Quantico for what was
billed as a routine address. But what happened, guys, was
anything but. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, if you Saw,
(02:45):
in a rousing speech to generals, announced sweeping changes, including
the renaming of the Department of Defense to the Department
of War, the elimination of oversight mechanisms, also anonymous reporting,
and he gave explicit authorization from military forces to physically
engage with American civilians. So let's break down just a
(03:07):
couple of these items here. First, the complete overhaul of
accountability systems. Y'all, inspector general processes gutted, equal opportunity complaints, eliminated,
anonymous reporting gone. These aren't just bureaucratic nice cities, folks,
These are the mechanisms that prevent a Meli massacre on
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American soil. Second, the new physical standards. If you saw,
Pete Hegseth went on a wonderfully misogynistic grant basically discussing
all the new standards that explicitly exclude women from combat
roles by reverting to male only requirements, not performance based standards,
but male standards. And then, as I previously mentioned, where
(03:53):
it got truly concerning was the explicit authorization for military
personnel to physically respond to civilian confrontation direct quote, they spit,
we hit, and that's not metaphorical. That's military policy now
toward American citizens. And in case you missed it, to me,
the most alarming was the call to eliminate rules of engagement.
(04:17):
And let me be crystal clear about this. Rules of
engagement are the legal and ethical standards that define permissible
conduct in combat. Right, They protect civilians, they maintain accountability,
They preserve humanity in whatever shred is there in warfare.
Heg Seth called them stupid and demanded their removal in
(04:38):
plain language in Plane Layman's English pete, Hegseth was more
or less calling for the legalization of war crimes.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Coo cool.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And to understand the gravity of this moment, we need
to talk about who was in that room at Quantico.
Representative Seth Moulton, who's a decorated Iraq war veteran served
four tours in the Marines, earned the Bronze Star for valor,
and the Navy and Marine Corps accommodation for a medal
for valor. He sits on the House Armed Services Committee.
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When someone with his credentials speaks, we should probably put
one air out and listen. Moulton called what happened at
Quantico a quote borderline fascist political pep talk. He said
the speeches were like a mixtape of fascist slogans, vanity
and insults, paid for by the US taxpayer. He called
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Hegseet's insults of Inspectors General hogwash and said that inspectors
general protect honest and principled military leaders willing to call
out wrongdoing. Basically, Moulton described the gathering of top military
leaders as being in quote violation of just about every
security protocol imaginable, all for a borderline fascist political pep talk. Representative.
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Jake Auschenklauss, another veteran who served as a Marine Corps
officer in Afghanistan and Panama, put it more succeain quote
the bigger problem is that this president thinks Russia's the
friend and Los Angeles is the enemy. And that quote
is it just takes it all home. The bigger problem
is that this president thinks Russia's the friend and Los
(06:15):
Angeles is the enemy. Have you ever heard a more
true statement? But let's talk about what happened in that room.
Our generals, people who have dedicated their entire lives to
defending this nation and everyone who lives in it, were
forced to sit in silence while heg Seth mocked fat
generals and beardos. Their commitment to constitutional oversight was called
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woke weakness. They were told their professionalism is cowardice, and
they watched civilian leadership suggest American cities become military battlefields.
Heg Seth told them that he was liberating them from
stupid rules of engagement policies he deemed woke or too
politically correct, barriers to harsher training tactics, including hazing in
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the entirety of the current inspector's general process. He declared
that the era of politically correct, overly sensitive don't hurt
anyone's feelings. Leadership ends right now at every level, and
then he called on those who disagreed with him to resign.
Then President Trump spoke, and here's where things took an
even darker turn. Trump called Chicago an unsafe place he
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plans to straighten out, saying, quote, this is going to
be a major part. For some of the people in
this room, that's a war too, It's a war from within.
I told Pete, we should use some of these dangerous
cities as training grounds for our military, training ground for
our military. American cities actually sit with that for a moment.
(07:48):
According to reports, most of the generals left in complete silence.
These are leaders who've spent careers balancing military necessity against
ethical restraint, only to be told by Way our president
that restraint is betrayal and that loyalty now means turning
weapons inward against Americans. This wasn't just disrespect. This meeting
(08:11):
was a deliberate humiliation designed to break down resistance to
unconstitutional orders. In my opinion, is it still legal for
me to even have one? Now, let's connect that to
what's actually been going on in American streets as of
late over the last week, and let's start in Chicago,
because the scale of what's happening here is staggering. Since
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early September, a massive federal operation called Operation Midway Blitz
has brought hundreds of immigration agents into Chicago. The numbers
are jaw dropping. Right, Over eight hundred people have been
arrested by Ice and Border patrol in just over three
weeks across Illinois and Chicago. But it's not just the
numbers that people are concerned about, it's how these operations
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are being conducted at all. On September thirtieth, residents of
a South Shore apartment building woke to what can only
be described as a war zone. By all accounts, Federal
agents repelled from Blackhawk helicopters onto residential building rooftops in
an operation involving nearly three hundred federal agents from ICE,
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the FBI, and Border Patrol. You guys, they fucking repelled
out of a helicopter in Chicago on top of an
apartment building. One witness, doctor Ali Mohammad, described the scene.
He discussed the building shaking from a black Hawk helicopter
hovering overhead in the pre dawn hours, the federal agents
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using flash bank grenades to burst through the building, deploying
drones and helicopters. One neighbor said it looks like hundreds
of agents were outside of her door. The justification was
that the operation itself targeted suspected members of a Venezuelan
gang that authorities claim has been involved in drug trafficking,
weapons crimes, and other violence. In that South Shore raid,
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thirty seven people were arrested. And here's where it gets complicated.
Sixty seven year old Roderick Johnson said that agents broke
through his door and dragged him out in zip ties.
They left him tied up outside for nearly three and
a half hours. When he asked why he was being
held as an American citizen, when he asked for a warrant,
when he asked for a lawyer, he said that they
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ignored him entirely and gave no answers. Another resident, a
man named Jones, came home from work to find his
apartment completely destroyed. All of his electronics and furniture were missing,
His clothes and shoes had been thrown around on the floor,
and he had no idea who took his belongings and
could not get answers from the Chicago police because they
(10:43):
didn't know. And perhaps most disturbing, neighbors reported witnessing federal
agents forcibly removing unclothed children, naked children, including toddlers, from
apartments during this raid. As of Saturday afternoon, a really
poignant picture has come out that shows a very young,
probably year old year and a half old black child,
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zip ties hands behind his back, zip tied like a
literal toddler. This is America in twenty twenty five? Are
we a safer?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Then?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Fast forward to Saturday morning. Brighton Park, Chicago's southwest side.
US Border Patrol shot a woman in what marks the
second shooting involving federal agents in Chicago since Operation Midway
Blitz began. According to the Department of Homeland Security, border
Patrol agents were on routine patrol and they claim that
they were rammed by ten cars and boxed in, then
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discovered one of the drivers was armed with a semi
automatic weapon, prompting them to fire defensive shots direct quote
defensive shots. The woman, who is an unnamed US citizen,
drove herself to the hospital. Sources there confirmed that she
did in fact suffer multiple gunshot wounds and was hospitalized
in critical condition. But the important context here is that
(12:00):
the Chicago Sun Times and WBEZ have not been able
to independently verify the federal government's account of what happened. Also,
this evening, around ten o'clock, video started coming out of
what happened, and it does not seem to reflect what
the federal government is saying. What we do know is
what happened next. An angry crowd of about one hundred
(12:20):
protesters gathered and were met with pepperballs, tear gas, all
deployed by you guessed it, the federal agents, and that
lasted mostly all Saturday afternoon. Chicago police records tell a
revealing story, though a Border Patrol agent did in fact
callin for assistance, reporting that roughly thirty agents had been
quote surrounded by a large crowd of people, but police
(12:44):
officials weren't sent to help. When police did respond, they
came only to quote document the incident and maintain safety
and traffic control. The Chicago Police explicitly stated that they
were not involved in the incident or its investigation. Guys,
there is a very clear federal and local divide right now.
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Chicago Police Deputy Chief Gabriella Shamash told local protesters, we're
here so that you can protest, and she made it
clear that the department had nothing to do with the
federal operations. DHS Assistant Secretary Trishia McLachlin added another layer
to the story this afternoon. She's claiming that the woman
had been named in an internal threat intelligence bulletin just
(13:27):
last week for doxing law enforcement officers online. Her statement
got political really fast. She said, quote comparing Ice day
in and day out to the Nazi Gestapo, the secret
police and slave patrols has consequences and complained that Chicago
police refused to help secure the area after the shooting.
Here's the thing, guys, look at this. There's now video
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of this happening and transpiring. You have border patrol coming
and saying, well, we called the police for backup, and
no one came. You had them claiming that ten cars
box the men and they were forced to return fire.
Except the video that came out this afternoon showing this
entire incident doesn't show any of that. Then you have, magically,
when people were really questioning the narrative of Math, ain't Math,
(14:13):
and Trisha McLachlan came out and said, oh, well, the
woman who magically was in the car, who supposedly had
a weapon, was on an internal threat intelligence bulletin. That
information's mighty sus See where I'm going with it, though,
But while Chicago was popping off to this weekend, let's
go back to Portland, Oregon, where a parallel crisis is
also unfolding. Like I said in the previous episode, when
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I lived in Portland, I saw the protests and whatnot.
What people need to understand, you guys, is that this
is quite literally on one tiny street of one tiny block.
Listen to me when I say this with all the
love in my heart. I know that Fox News and
other conservative outlets have told you that Portland have treated
it like a war zone and shown pictures that make
it look like it's the whole city on fire. I
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promise you, I'm holding my whole in your hands as
I say this. I promise you it is outside one
building in the entirety of Portland. That is it. And
there are never hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people there.
It is literally negligible. And if you've been watching live
feeds or videos of what's been going on in Portland
and ice like I saw a guy in costumes, they
(15:21):
were you know, had fishing poles with donuts hanging on
the end of them. They were singing. They were doing
the chosh Haas slide, which that does not have my
sign off. Please stop doing that. But I digress. The
point still stands. On Friday, the Trump administration activated two
hundred national Guard troops. The internet is flush with memes
(15:41):
right now in Portland. My favorite one so far is
a picture of I don't even know where it was taken,
but it's of from behind and it's in a coffee
shop and on the left is a goth chick like
you got the big black boots, the short black skirt,
black top, black hair, and then beside her, she's obviously
with a guy who's in full military uniform. And it's
like Portland's getting them. And I hope that is what happens,
(16:03):
and I hope that the new couples are very happy.
But unfortunately the citizens of Portland are not very happy
right now because two hundred National Guard troops were activated.
Now there has been Oregon State officials did file a lawsuit.
They're waiting for the federal court ruling, which just came
back tonight giving ruling in their favor. But this deployment
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came directly through Pete Hegseth. Remember the same man who
just a couple of days prior told military leaders that
American City should be training grounds for troops. So on
Friday afternoon, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt decided to
drop the news that Trump has directed his team to
review federal aid to Portland to determine what can be cut,
(16:45):
claiming this move response to quote left wing anarchy that
has been destroying this great American city for years. Her
statement and follow up from that her own was unequivocal, quote,
we will not fund states that allow anarchy. And let's
be clear about what this all means. Like other states,
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most of Orgon's federal aid goes to healthcare, education, and
transportation infrastructure. This isn't about punishing rioters or protesters, y'all.
It's about punishing an entire state's population because the President
got his fefees hurt and doesn't like their politics. Did
you see a couple days ago that the map of
states that Trump's planning to come down on with either
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National Guard claiming that they're rough cities and so forth.
Sixteen states. Guess what? All voted against him? Literally all
voted against him. In Oregon, Governor Tina Kotek pushed back
pretty fuck and forcefully. She did speak with Trump on
the phone, and she said that she told him in
plain language that there is no insurrection going on, no
threat to public safety, and certainly none of it necessitates
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military intervention in Portland or any other city in Oregon.
Organ Attorney General Dan Rayfield went and framed it from
a lawyer lawsuits perspective, saying, sending in two hundred National
Guard troops to guard a single building is not normal.
And here's the thing, guys, and I spoke about this
last week when it was initially floated by Trump, by
this administration on Twitter. Please stay peaceful, y'all. This is
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what they are asking for. Please, for the love of everything,
either stay home. This is such a crucial time right now,
and please do not engage. Portland Police Chief Bob Day
made a pretty revealing comment about all of this because
he was asked about the political pressure his department faces.
He said, the irony here is that we were condemned
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in twenty twenty for our approach towards the left, and
now we're being condemned in twenty twenty five for our
approach to the right. If you recall Nick Sorterer, who
is a conservative quote unquote journalist, I use that term
very very fucking lightly. He was charged with disorderly conduct
at a protest in Portland the other day, and there's
a video that's showing him arguing with protesters before the arrest,
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and someone was burning a flag and he goes and
he roughly grabs it from them and takes off with it.
Fight ensued. He got arrested for that, and now Trump
is pissed. The White House seized on this arrest, and
Levitt announced that the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division was
reviewing whether Nick Sorder was a victim of quote viewpoint
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demon viewpoint discrimination. So, just to recap that, we have
a federal civil rights investigation into local Portland police because
they arrested a conservative journalist during a melee while simultaneously
threatening to cut federal funding to punish an entire state.
Does that seem normal to you? Does that seem normal
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to you, regardless of party? Is that normal? Here's the thing, guys,
we were warned. We warned everybody else. Let's play this clip.
Let's roll the clip.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
He's talking about the enemy within Pennsylvania. He's talking about
the enemy within our country Pennsylvania. He's talking about that
he could considers anyone who doesn't support him or who
will not bend to his will.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
An enemy of our country. It's a serious issue, he's saying.
He is saying that he would use the military to
go after them. Think about this, and we know who
he would target, and we know who he would target
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because he has attacked them before. Journalists whose stories he
doesn't like, election officials who refuse to cheat by filling
extra votes and finding extra votes for him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, Kamala Harris during her campaign, she said it many times,
and then a lot of other talking heads and politicians,
most recently Gavin Newsom came out this week and flat
out said Trump is going to have military, He's going
to use the military. End goal is to basically cause chaos,
cause in fighting a civil war, and then suspend the
next election. Gavin Newsom finally came out and said that
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I believe a king. Jeffreys has already also come out
and said that this is what people are thinking anybody else,
And now we have his own words in Quantico suggesting
that Chicago and New York, again democratic cities with large
minority populations, should be used as and I quote training
grounds for US forces. So over the last week, we
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have a woman who is arrested for assaulting border patrol
in Portland, and then in Chicago. The raids continued across
all Chicago neighborhoods. It seems Border Patrol agents wearing the
tactical gear you know, came down from the black Hawk helicopter.
All of this stuff has been happening there, and then
Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker said, quote, this is not making
anybody safer. It's a show of intimidation. There was also
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a massive raid at Home Depot, with more than two
hundred Border Patrol agents who descended upon one early morning
on Thursday. This operation marks one of the largest federal
deployments yet in the crackdown. Border Control Commander Gregory Bavino
told reporters he has conducted informal outreach with community members
in Chicago, and he says that residents are happy to
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see federal agents. Quote, I'm speaking to residents in and
around the downtown area and I am receiving excellent feedback.
Residents are happy to see us in the area, and
many have expressed frustration that we didn't get here sooner.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
But that narrative doesn't match what residents are actually saying
in droves. On Friday, we had federal agents clashing with
demonstrators outside of the Broadview facility. That clash came after
DHS Secretary Christy Nome and Border Patrol Commander Greg Bavino
were seen on the ice facilities roof just before eight am.
You see, the village of Broadview filed a lawsuit against
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the ICE in DHS over the fencing surrounding the ice
detention facility. And then Friday night, with helmets and batons
a failanx of Cook County Sheriff's officers kept Dimonstry from
blocking the street in a tent stand off that capped
off a whole day of protest. The Cook County Sheriff's
Office said at least five people were arrested at broad
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View and they faced charges like resisting obstruction and aggravated
battery to a police officer. And we've seen some shocking
things too, to me, the arrest of alderman Jesse Fuintez.
Did you guys see that she was handcuffed by ICE
agents while asking for a patient's warrant. And this happened
at the Humboldt Park Hospital. There were two ICE agents there,
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one was masked, one was not, and she was just like,
where's the warrant? Do you have a warrant? She wasn't
screaming she wasn't in their face. One of them violently
snapped her around, put her hands behind her back, and
they walked arrested her and walked out. Charges have been
dropped and nothing is going to happen to her, But
what the fuck? And then also across Chicago, ICE has
been deploying tear gas freely. Once they threw it out
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of their truck that they were in. If you've seen
that video flying around, they were stuck in traffic and
people were kind of like yelling, right, they were stuck
in traffic, but no protesters. Then someone ends up blocking
a car with a motorbike and they just deploy tear
gas in the middle of downtown. A two year old
girl was injured nearby because it got in heur lungs,
and an elementary school was out and had to take
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their students back in. Because we're just fucking launching tear
gas anywhere now. But what's the pattern here? Escalation? Every
single day, it seems federal forces are becoming more aggressive,
more militarized, and more willing to confront civilians and local
officials who question their authority at all. I've said this
a million times in the podcast. Am I a liberal? Yes?
(24:35):
Can we please stop calling everyone Nazi? I've said this
many times to my friends, my family in general. I
mentioned on the last podcast as well, we need to
stop calling everyone Nazis because it is not fair to
the actual survivors of holocausts and genocides. But that being said,
we can certainly not ignore parallels in the path that
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we are headed, because the comparison to nineteen thirties Germany
with where we're at right now, y'all, isn't hyperbole anymore.
If you know me, you know I love history as
a polycig in French, double major in college, obsessed with history.
And what's so fascinating to me especially is when you've
taken do you guys just ever think about old wars,
(25:19):
right the Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War two? How
they would have been fought today if we were to
go into say World War three, right like, how would
those engagements have looked different? And one of the main
ways that we are different now in twenty twenty five
than we were different back in the nineteen thirties is technology.
Clearly that starting back in the nineteen thirties, authoritarian leaders,
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you know, they enlisted military and paramilitary forces not to
defend against foreign attacks, but to terrorize their own citizens,
to crush descent, to get a stranglehold on the populace.
And when military forces are authorized to view its own
citizens as enemies, citizens become casualties. Kent State for dead,
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Tianeman Square hundreds, possibly thousands, the Guangzhou uprising similar numbers.
But those incidents had something that our current situation lacks, oversight,
mechanisms that at least documented what happened, and we are
removing even that thin protection. The Argentine Dirty War started
with military units being given authority over quote, subversives, Thirty
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thousand people disappeared. Chile under Pinochet began with the military
quote restoring order. Thousands dead are vanished. In every case,
it started with language identical to what we are hearing
right now, enemies within, cleaning up cities, restoring order. So
in the last episode, which is also the first episode,
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it was called f for fascism, and I went through
the fascism checklist of how that's happening. But in case
you're also wondering, okay, well, Robin, how do authoritarians decide
to take over? Well, here you go, six steps and
this is the mechanism of escalation. Step one is that
the military is deployed to problematic areas. We're here right now.
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Step one check mark. Step two. Civilian resistance to military
presence creates confrontation. We are tap dancing on this one.
Step two in progress. Step three, the military responds with
combat tactics. Well, it may not have yet fully happened
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as of yet, depending on who you ask, but yes,
this has not been explicitly authorized. Step four casualties create
greater unrest, justifying expanded military authority. This is why I
have been begging people to stay at home and be peaceful.
Be peaceful, because this is what they are trying to do.
They are trying to go and instigate and have people
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do hateous things or act out in violence in order
to expand and control. Please do not give that to them.
Step five emergency powers suspend normal legal processes. This is
what people are saying. Is the end result of this
is martial law and election being suspended. And the thing
about it is that never in my life did I
think this would be a possibility. Back during the first
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election his first term, I remember thinking when he announced
he was running, Oh my God, what a joke. This
will never happen. Oh, how I ate those words. But
that is what a lot of people are stating now
is the likely end goal here. So if that happens,
we're at step five and then step six, military tribunals
replace civilian courts for an expanding definition of threats. And
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we have already seen that in the most recent directive
where he said that the threats are radical left, antifa,
anyone who is anti or extreme on is the language
that they use, extreme on traditional American values, you know,
right to life politics, all of that. Step six. We
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obviously do not have military tribunals currently, but there has
been a vastly upgraded definition of what this administration considers
a threat. So as it stands right now, we are
currently between steps one and two and rapidly tap dancing
on three. But I did mention a moment ago two
that technology is something that is different about where we
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are in twenty twenty five because the technological capability for
surveillance right now that control didn't exist in historical precedence.
Every single phone has a tracker, every post is you know,
potential evidence. Every association that you have with any person
in communications is map immappable. I mean, you can get
a VPN and do all of these little, you know,
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quick hats that it specialists or intelligence people tell you
too online. But it doesn't matter, guys, because we're never
going to be off grid. Everything we do, everywhere we
go is covered. That's just kind of a living in
the daily life sort of thing at this point, with cameras,
drone surveillance, our phones, the websites we go to. But
something that I can't quite shake is this explicit psychological
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preparation of troops. You could see from the heg Seth
and Trump speech that there is an active attempt. Now
this warrior ethos, if you apply that to American streets,
you have combat mindset of soldiers for civilian interactions. And
if you really think about it, guys, this language, and
I'm not trying to harp on this, but it is
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deathly serious, is soldiers are trained to eliminate threats. Our
soldiers are incredible, and these people are going to be
told to eliminate threats that are American soldiers trained for
combat are being deployed for crowd control. Soldiers trained to
follow orders are being placed under commanders selected for political
loyalty and not constitutional fidelity. And I would like to
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remind everyone here that the generals in that room and
that speech swore an oath not to a man, not
to a party, but to the Constitution itself, and their
dude is to protect all Americans, not to divide them
into factions. When you remove every mechanism for refusing illegal
orders while simultaneously defining opposition as enemy action, you're creating
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a force that will fire on civilians, not might will.
And when does immigration enforcement cross the line into occupation
When federal agents repel from a military helicopter in the
middle of the third largest city in this country, When
US citizens are detained without warrants, when elementary school children
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are removed from homes when they rushed back into their
schools from the smell of tear gas. Are we still
talking about law enforcement here? And what precedent is this
setting today at Chicago and Portland Tomorrow? It could be
any city whose politics he disapproves of. If we accept
federal troops being deployed against the will of state governments,
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if we accept the withholding of health care and education
funding is political punishment, What constraints at that point remain
on presidential power. So I'm going to make a prediction,
and I hope more than anything I am wrong. I
hope that our country, somehow, somewhere the madness ends, everything
is happy in hunky Dory, and we all go holding
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hands and singing Kumbaya out into a field full of sunflowers.
But my actual what I truly think is far different.
I think that in the next thirty days we are
going to see the expansion of military deployments to additional cities.
I think the likeliest targets are going to be New York, La, Philly,
and possibly Boston. I think the justification is going to
be what we've seen thus far, which is crime statistics
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or vague threat assessments from DHS. And again, if you
guys actually look at the cities that Trump has either
threatened or sent National Guard to, the crime rate was
already actually trending way down in all the cities. Like
pro the fbis on statistics, so appears to be pure
political theory and strong arming. I think within the next
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ninety days we're probably going to see the suspension of
habeas corpus and operational zones. I think that what happened
in Chicago in terms of them going through an apartment building.
I mean what they basically did was repelled onto the
roof like a military think of in the Middle East
and war, repelled down out of a helicopter onto the
roof of a building and then clear it. I think
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that we're going to see more things like that. And
in that instance, they zip tied, broke into apartments, broke
down doors, carried every zip tide everyone and got them outside.
Over half our American citizens. I think that we are
going to see a lot more of that, and I
think that we are going to be seeing full on
American citizens detained. I think that that is coming. If
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you're out loud, outspoken guys. We're already seeing YouTubers and
Facebook people being visited by the Secret Service and FBI
just for explaining an opinion. And I will concede anyone
who's advocating violence. I hope they do have people show
up at their doors, and I hope they are visited
by these people, because this climate has no place for
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that kind of language. But even just regular people who
are just giving their thoughts and opinions not inflammatory, I
think we're going to be seeing a lot of that
in the next ninety days, and I think it's going
to get worse. Within the next six months. I think
that we are going to see a major domestic incident.
I think based on patterns, again solely on historical patterns,
I think it's going to involve a significant civilian casualties
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and the event is going to be justified as a
response to you know, resistance or insurgent activity or domestic terrorism.
And I hope, hope that I am wrong about that.
I'm again just going based off of historical markers. And
within the next year, if unchecked, I think you will
see the complete subordination of civilian authority like state and
local governments basically to military command in major population centers.
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So you'll see like New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, largely
run by military. And I think everyone's main question is, honestly,
do you think? And I see the comments all the
time on Reddit and everywhere else. If someone's like Democrats
need to get out, make sure you vote. I always
see someone post and comment, you know, how naive or
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how cute of you to think that we're going to
actually have elections again. I that to me, that to
me has always been the oh my god, y'all are
being so paranoid. Stop like stop it like I was
back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, like stop it, you guys.
That was kind of my line of you guys sound
batshit stop like let's not be the scared paranoid side, right.
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Oh no, I'm I have one footover in that so far,
like I have one foot over thinking, h are we though?
Are we going to be able to vote? I guess
we will see. And I've said it before and I'm
gonna say it again really quick. This is not about politics.
This is about principles. And listen carefully here because I'm
going to speak directly at you. This is not about
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Republican versus dema crap. It's for those of us who
believe in constitutional governance versus it being destroyed, Republicans who
are horrified by this some fucking how Marjorie Taylor Green
is coming out about all of this. Ted Cruz has
come out about this like it's actually wild how many
people are concerned about what's actually going on. Although Big
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prop too at Ted Cruz's faux pas this week of
where he said that we should stop you know talking
about pedophiles, which hww. I know independents who are seeing
exactly where all of this leads. My point being is
that we're all pissed. We're all scared. You know a
lot of us are. Most importantly, I know veterans from
every imaginable political background who are watching their oath to
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the constitution literally being perverted into something super fucked up. So,
speaking to you, my wonderful conservative listeners, you did not
vote for military occupation of American cities. You voted for
law and order, not martial law. You voted for strong borders,
not military checkpoints between states. You voted for constitutional governance,
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not military tribunals for American citizens. The Constitution that you
guys love to talk about and pull out with your
pocket constitutions and all of that, the Second Amendment that
you defend, the limited government you advocate for, you know,
like all those beliefs. Guess what, cupcakes, all of that
dies when military force replaces civil law. You're not going
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to have any of that at all. If you don't
get what the program and realize what is happening. To
my progressive listeners, your fears were not unfounded. We all knew.
We all knew this first term, after we joked about
it when he started he run the first time. Then
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we saw the hate speech immediately, the vitriol, they'll forget,
the fights outside the rallies and all of this. Remember
how in his rallies they had even people with signs
and T shirts and stickers of hanging of executing Obama
and all of this horrible shit. I don't know how
well everybody fucking forgot magically about how much racism and
violence was present there. But my point being is that
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this cannot be the time for I told you so's.
This is the time to somehow we have to reach
across two conservative neighbors who are in fact just as
alarmed as we are. I know I'm saying it. I
know that there's a big thing about doing emotional labor,
and they knew if they voted for Trump they're a
bad person. All of that shit. Guys, we're gonna have
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to put that aside. They need to know that you're
not their enemy, because they're hearing a lot right now
on Fox News and Newsmax and all of that that
we are the enemy, and you need to know that
they are not yours. Hopefully, and yes, I get it.
We may not agree on some of the issues that
we find like our lifeblood right, important human rights things
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like that. Right, all of that shit has to be
placed aside right now. And furthermore, to my liberals, stop
the fucking purity test with your candidate I love. I
don't know why. Maybe it's the fact that you know, Democrats,
we have a lot of we have a lot of
privilege on our side as well, and I feel like
a lot of these privileged white people, especially when it
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comes to Gaza, I feel like I know so many people.
Then if you're one of them, I mean this with
my whole chest, because I'm not apologizing for what I'm
about to say. I feel like, if you're a person
who normally would conservatives, you can set this one out.
I feel like Democrats if you're one of those people
who vote blue no matter who, and your big sticking
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point in this last election was the fact that they
weren't stringent enough on Gaza or something like that and
didn't vote at all that Seriously, like you're getting married
and you go to get your dress and the dress
that you're ordering is ninety nine point nine percent exactly it,
but there's like one extra button and inside it instead
of being instead of just dealing with the one button,
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you decide to burn the whole storre mount. That's pretty
much what you did. So stop with a purity test
because we don't really have that luxury anymore at all,
and we never really have truth be told into both sides.
And a reminder, and I'm gonna do this reminder in
every single episode. The algorithm is built for clickbait, rage
bait and to divide us. We are all living in
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echo chambers. My Instagram algorithm is not going to be
somebody else's algorithm. Okay, I'm gonna be honest for a moment.
My Instagram algorithm is all German short hair pointer stuff
because obviously obsessed. And then also, you know that annoying
girl who looks like the Keebler elf And I really
don't mean that to be mean, and I'm only saying
it because she's totally picked it up as like, you know,
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an identity kind of brand for her, and she goes
to the grocery store and is like this is toxic.
Here are clean ingredients and all that shit. There is
an Instagram account that is her but it just overlays
farting as she dances. And I don't know why, but
that comes up all the time for me on Instagram.
My point being here is that everyone's algorithm different and
we all live in an echo chamber. So like what
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I get on TikTok and Instagram is reinforcing my own
belief system, right, Like I get liberal TikTokers for the
most part, So conservatives, you guys are going to get
conservative tech talkers with their own opinions and thoughts and
so forth. Right, our friends that we in company, that
we keep typically are within the same level of social
or moral values, right, Like a lot of people keep
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the same birds of a feather, right, But it's echo chamber.
So closing up here, you guys, what can you do well? Again,
I'm anti violence, so none of that. But please document
everything and do it together. Make sure your Republican neighbors,
whether it's you, your Republican or Democrat, make sure you
guys are documenting things together. Make sure reality is established
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in terms of what is going on on the ground.
Form neighborhood committees, not partisan groups. American groups include everyone,
the Trump voter next door, the Bernie Sanders supporter across
the street, the creepy libertarian down the block. I'll say
it every time, but contact your representatives. Not like it
seems like it matters at this juncture, At this juncture,
because no one's doing anything. Support judges who are standing
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up for constitutional principles, regardless of who appointed them. And
I'm not trying to sound preppy here at all. Right, Like,
I'm not trying to sound like a propper here at all, guys,
But just in case something happens, make sure you have
safe networks, ways to communicate things like that. We are
all just doing our very best to get through life,
you guys. My point being is that we can disagree
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on taxes, on healthcare, on immigration policy, on a thousand
different issues, but we must all agree on this. The
military should not be used against American citizens. The military
should never be used against American citizens, period. So this
is it for today, guys. In closing, I want to
be wrong about this, you guys. I want next week's
episode to be about how I overreacted, how the systems
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are great, cooler heads prevailed and we're all hunky dory,
But hope isn't a strategy and denial isn't protection. The
question isn't whether we're on a dangerous path. We are.
The question is whether enough Americans will recognize it in time.
Where are the checks and balances? When a decorated military
veteran like Seth Moulton calls a Pentagon speech borderline fascist.
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When state governors file lawsuits to stop federal troop deployments,
when local police refuse to assist federal operations, these are
warning signs of a system under severe stress. I don't
have answers to these questions, and I suspect that many
of you listening don't either. But I think that we
have a duty and responsibility to ask them to think
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carefully about them. And we need to realize that the
choices that are being made around us are going to
define America for generations. The question is, though, is do
we still agree on what un American means? But anyway,
you guys, thank you for listening. This is episode two
of Red, White, and Bruised. Next episode will be available
next week. In the meantime, you can follow the podcast
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Every one, you are listening to Red, White and Bruised.
This is Robin. This is episode two, and I'm gonna
be honest. I didn't plan on doing this series, but
watching what's happening in this country, the chaos, the cruelty,
the absolute batshittery that passes for leadership, I hit a
point where I just couldn't scroll by and do a
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podcast on things that to me seemingly a lot of
the time, it just doesn't matter. I'm obviously not a politician,
I'm obviously not an influencer. I'm just a heavily concerned citizen,
someone who's shocked, appalled, and over it. So this series
is my way of processing all of it, the headlines,
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the startling hypocrisy, the gas lighting that we're seeing everywhere,
the good, the bad, just every single week. This is
my decompression. I believe in people, I believe in decency,
and I want to make it explicitly clear right off
the bat here that I am against violence, but silence.
That's what God is here. So if you're tired of
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pretending everything's fine when it very clearly is not welcome,
this is Red, White, and Bruised Episode two. Every single Sunday,
I'm going to drop an episode the bullshit, the national
nervous breakdown that we're all going through, all in hope
of more or less finding something that still makes sense together.
So last week, one of the things that I mentioned
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that I was looking out for. I mentioned this on
the previous episode, and it was really something that I
wanted to look at And that was when senior military
leadership gathered at Marine Corps based Quantico for what was
billed as a routine address. But what happened, guys, was
anything but. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth, if you Saw,
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in a rousing speech to generals, announced sweeping changes, including
the renaming of the Department of Defense to the Department
of War, the elimination of oversight mechanisms, also anonymous reporting,
and he gave explicit authorization from military forces to physically
engage with American civilians. So let's break down just a
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couple of these items here. First, the complete overhaul of
accountability systems. Y'all, inspector general processes gutted, equal opportunity complaints, eliminated,
anonymous reporting gone. These aren't just bureaucratic nice cities, folks,
These are the mechanisms that prevent a Meli massacre on
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American soil. Second, the new physical standards. If you saw,
Pete Hegseth went on a wonderfully misogynistic grant basically discussing
all the new standards that explicitly exclude women from combat
roles by reverting to male only requirements, not performance based standards,
but male standards. And then, as I previously mentioned, where
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it got truly concerning was the explicit authorization for military
personnel to physically respond to civilian confrontation direct quote, they spit,
we hit, and that's not metaphorical. That's military policy now
toward American citizens. And in case you missed it, to me,
the most alarming was the call to eliminate rules of engagement.
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And let me be crystal clear about this. Rules of
engagement are the legal and ethical standards that define permissible
conduct in combat. Right, They protect civilians, they maintain accountability,
They preserve humanity in whatever shred is there in warfare.
Heg Seth called them stupid and demanded their removal in
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plain language in Plane Layman's English pete, Hegseth was more
or less calling for the legalization of war crimes.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Coo cool.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
And to understand the gravity of this moment, we need
to talk about who was in that room at Quantico.
Representative Seth Moulton, who's a decorated Iraq war veteran served
four tours in the Marines, earned the Bronze Star for valor,
and the Navy and Marine Corps accommodation for a medal
for valor. He sits on the House Armed Services Committee.
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When someone with his credentials speaks, we should probably put
one air out and listen. Moulton called what happened at
Quantico a quote borderline fascist political pep talk. He said
the speeches were like a mixtape of fascist slogans, vanity
and insults, paid for by the US taxpayer. He called
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Hegseet's insults of Inspectors General hogwash and said that inspectors
general protect honest and principled military leaders willing to call
out wrongdoing. Basically, Moulton described the gathering of top military
leaders as being in quote violation of just about every
security protocol imaginable, all for a borderline fascist political pep talk. Representative.
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Jake Auschenklauss, another veteran who served as a Marine Corps
officer in Afghanistan and Panama, put it more succeain quote
the bigger problem is that this president thinks Russia's the
friend and Los Angeles is the enemy. And that quote
is it just takes it all home. The bigger problem
is that this president thinks Russia's the friend and Los
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Angeles is the enemy. Have you ever heard a more
true statement? But let's talk about what happened in that room.
Our generals, people who have dedicated their entire lives to
defending this nation and everyone who lives in it, were
forced to sit in silence while heg Seth mocked fat
generals and beardos. Their commitment to constitutional oversight was called
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woke weakness. They were told their professionalism is cowardice, and
they watched civilian leadership suggest American cities become military battlefields.
Heg Seth told them that he was liberating them from
stupid rules of engagement policies he deemed woke or too
politically correct, barriers to harsher training tactics, including hazing in
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the entirety of the current inspector's general process. He declared
that the era of politically correct, overly sensitive don't hurt
anyone's feelings. Leadership ends right now at every level, and
then he called on those who disagreed with him to resign.
Then President Trump spoke, and here's where things took an
even darker turn. Trump called Chicago an unsafe place he
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plans to straighten out, saying, quote, this is going to
be a major part. For some of the people in
this room, that's a war too, It's a war from within.
I told Pete, we should use some of these dangerous
cities as training grounds for our military, training ground for
our military. American cities actually sit with that for a moment.
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According to reports, most of the generals left in complete silence.
These are leaders who've spent careers balancing military necessity against
ethical restraint, only to be told by Way our president
that restraint is betrayal and that loyalty now means turning
weapons inward against Americans. This wasn't just disrespect. This meeting
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was a deliberate humiliation designed to break down resistance to
unconstitutional orders. In my opinion, is it still legal for
me to even have one? Now, let's connect that to
what's actually been going on in American streets as of
late over the last week, and let's start in Chicago,
because the scale of what's happening here is staggering. Since
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early September, a massive federal operation called Operation Midway Blitz
has brought hundreds of immigration agents into Chicago. The numbers
are jaw dropping. Right, Over eight hundred people have been
arrested by Ice and Border patrol in just over three
weeks across Illinois and Chicago. But it's not just the
numbers that people are concerned about, it's how these operations
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are being conducted at all. On September thirtieth, residents of
a South Shore apartment building woke to what can only
be described as a war zone. By all accounts, Federal
agents repelled from Blackhawk helicopters onto residential building rooftops in
an operation involving nearly three hundred federal agents from ICE,
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the FBI, and Border Patrol. You guys, they fucking repelled
out of a helicopter in Chicago on top of an
apartment building. One witness, doctor Ali Mohammad, described the scene.
He discussed the building shaking from a black Hawk helicopter
hovering overhead in the pre dawn hours, the federal agents
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using flash bank grenades to burst through the building, deploying
drones and helicopters. One neighbor said it looks like hundreds
of agents were outside of her door. The justification was
that the operation itself targeted suspected members of a Venezuelan
gang that authorities claim has been involved in drug trafficking,
weapons crimes, and other violence. In that South Shore raid,
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thirty seven people were arrested. And here's where it gets complicated.
Sixty seven year old Roderick Johnson said that agents broke
through his door and dragged him out in zip ties.
They left him tied up outside for nearly three and
a half hours. When he asked why he was being
held as an American citizen, when he asked for a warrant,
when he asked for a lawyer, he said that they
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ignored him entirely and gave no answers. Another resident, a
man named Jones, came home from work to find his
apartment completely destroyed. All of his electronics and furniture were missing,
His clothes and shoes had been thrown around on the floor,
and he had no idea who took his belongings and
could not get answers from the Chicago police because they
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didn't know. And perhaps most disturbing, neighbors reported witnessing federal
agents forcibly removing unclothed children, naked children, including toddlers, from
apartments during this raid. As of Saturday afternoon, a really
poignant picture has come out that shows a very young,
probably year old year and a half old black child,
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zip ties hands behind his back, zip tied like a
literal toddler. This is America in twenty twenty five? Are
we a safer?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Then?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Fast forward to Saturday morning. Brighton Park, Chicago's southwest side.
US Border Patrol shot a woman in what marks the
second shooting involving federal agents in Chicago since Operation Midway
Blitz began. According to the Department of Homeland Security, border
Patrol agents were on routine patrol and they claim that
they were rammed by ten cars and boxed in, then
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discovered one of the drivers was armed with a semi
automatic weapon, prompting them to fire defensive shots direct quote
defensive shots. The woman, who is an unnamed US citizen,
drove herself to the hospital. Sources there confirmed that she
did in fact suffer multiple gunshot wounds and was hospitalized
in critical condition. But the important context here is that
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the Chicago Sun Times and WBEZ have not been able
to independently verify the federal government's account of what happened. Also,
this evening, around ten o'clock, video started coming out of
what happened, and it does not seem to reflect what
the federal government is saying. What we do know is
what happened next. An angry crowd of about one hundred
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protesters gathered and were met with pepperballs, tear gas, all
deployed by you guessed it, the federal agents, and that
lasted mostly all Saturday afternoon. Chicago police records tell a
revealing story, though a Border Patrol agent did in fact
callin for assistance, reporting that roughly thirty agents had been
quote surrounded by a large crowd of people, but police
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officials weren't sent to help. When police did respond, they
came only to quote document the incident and maintain safety
and traffic control. The Chicago Police explicitly stated that they
were not involved in the incident or its investigation. Guys,
there is a very clear federal and local divide right now.
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Chicago Police Deputy Chief Gabriella Shamash told local protesters, we're
here so that you can protest, and she made it
clear that the department had nothing to do with the
federal operations. DHS Assistant Secretary Trishia McLachlin added another layer
to the story this afternoon. She's claiming that the woman
had been named in an internal threat intelligence bulletin just
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last week for doxing law enforcement officers online. Her statement
got political really fast. She said, quote comparing Ice day
in and day out to the Nazi Gestapo, the secret
police and slave patrols has consequences and complained that Chicago
police refused to help secure the area after the shooting.
Here's the thing, guys, look at this. There's now video
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of this happening and transpiring. You have border patrol coming
and saying, well, we called the police for backup, and
no one came. You had them claiming that ten cars
box the men and they were forced to return fire.
Except the video that came out this afternoon showing this
entire incident doesn't show any of that. Then you have, magically,
when people were really questioning the narrative of Math, ain't Math,
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and Trisha McLachlan came out and said, oh, well, the
woman who magically was in the car, who supposedly had
a weapon, was on an internal threat intelligence bulletin. That
information's mighty sus See where I'm going with it, though,
But while Chicago was popping off to this weekend, let's
go back to Portland, Oregon, where a parallel crisis is
also unfolding. Like I said in the previous episode, when
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I lived in Portland, I saw the protests and whatnot.
What people need to understand, you guys, is that this
is quite literally on one tiny street of one tiny block.
Listen to me when I say this with all the
love in my heart. I know that Fox News and
other conservative outlets have told you that Portland have treated
it like a war zone and shown pictures that make
it look like it's the whole city on fire. I
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promise you, I'm holding my whole in your hands as
I say this. I promise you it is outside one
building in the entirety of Portland. That is it. And
there are never hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people there.
It is literally negligible. And if you've been watching live
feeds or videos of what's been going on in Portland
and ice like I saw a guy in costumes, they
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were you know, had fishing poles with donuts hanging on
the end of them. They were singing. They were doing
the chosh Haas slide, which that does not have my
sign off. Please stop doing that. But I digress. The
point still stands. On Friday, the Trump administration activated two
hundred national Guard troops. The internet is flush with memes
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right now in Portland. My favorite one so far is
a picture of I don't even know where it was taken,
but it's of from behind and it's in a coffee
shop and on the left is a goth chick like
you got the big black boots, the short black skirt,
black top, black hair, and then beside her, she's obviously
with a guy who's in full military uniform. And it's
like Portland's getting them. And I hope that is what happens,
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and I hope that the new couples are very happy.
But unfortunately the citizens of Portland are not very happy
right now because two hundred National Guard troops were activated.
Now there has been Oregon State officials did file a lawsuit.
They're waiting for the federal court ruling, which just came
back tonight giving ruling in their favor. But this deployment
(16:24):
came directly through Pete Hegseth. Remember the same man who
just a couple of days prior told military leaders that
American City should be training grounds for troops. So on
Friday afternoon, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt decided to
drop the news that Trump has directed his team to
review federal aid to Portland to determine what can be cut,
(16:45):
claiming this move response to quote left wing anarchy that
has been destroying this great American city for years. Her
statement and follow up from that her own was unequivocal, quote,
we will not fund states that allow anarchy. And let's
be clear about what this all means. Like other states,
(17:05):
most of Orgon's federal aid goes to healthcare, education, and
transportation infrastructure. This isn't about punishing rioters or protesters, y'all.
It's about punishing an entire state's population because the President
got his fefees hurt and doesn't like their politics. Did
you see a couple days ago that the map of
states that Trump's planning to come down on with either
(17:27):
National Guard claiming that they're rough cities and so forth.
Sixteen states. Guess what? All voted against him? Literally all
voted against him. In Oregon, Governor Tina Kotek pushed back
pretty fuck and forcefully. She did speak with Trump on
the phone, and she said that she told him in
plain language that there is no insurrection going on, no
threat to public safety, and certainly none of it necessitates
(17:48):
military intervention in Portland or any other city in Oregon.
Organ Attorney General Dan Rayfield went and framed it from
a lawyer lawsuits perspective, saying, sending in two hundred National
Guard troops to guard a single building is not normal.
And here's the thing, guys, and I spoke about this
last week when it was initially floated by Trump, by
this administration on Twitter. Please stay peaceful, y'all. This is
(18:12):
what they are asking for. Please, for the love of everything,
either stay home. This is such a crucial time right now,
and please do not engage. Portland Police Chief Bob Day
made a pretty revealing comment about all of this because
he was asked about the political pressure his department faces.
He said, the irony here is that we were condemned
(18:32):
in twenty twenty for our approach towards the left, and
now we're being condemned in twenty twenty five for our
approach to the right. If you recall Nick Sorterer, who
is a conservative quote unquote journalist, I use that term
very very fucking lightly. He was charged with disorderly conduct
at a protest in Portland the other day, and there's
a video that's showing him arguing with protesters before the arrest,
(18:54):
and someone was burning a flag and he goes and
he roughly grabs it from them and takes off with it.
Fight ensued. He got arrested for that, and now Trump
is pissed. The White House seized on this arrest, and
Levitt announced that the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division was
reviewing whether Nick Sorder was a victim of quote viewpoint
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demon viewpoint discrimination. So, just to recap that, we have
a federal civil rights investigation into local Portland police because
they arrested a conservative journalist during a melee while simultaneously
threatening to cut federal funding to punish an entire state.
Does that seem normal to you? Does that seem normal
(19:36):
to you, regardless of party? Is that normal? Here's the thing, guys,
we were warned. We warned everybody else. Let's play this clip.
Let's roll the clip.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
He's talking about the enemy within Pennsylvania. He's talking about
the enemy within our country Pennsylvania. He's talking about that
he could considers anyone who doesn't support him or who
will not bend to his will.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
An enemy of our country. It's a serious issue, he's saying.
He is saying that he would use the military to
go after them. Think about this, and we know who
he would target, and we know who he would target
(20:29):
because he has attacked them before. Journalists whose stories he
doesn't like, election officials who refuse to cheat by filling
extra votes and finding extra votes for him.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, Kamala Harris during her campaign, she said it many times,
and then a lot of other talking heads and politicians,
most recently Gavin Newsom came out this week and flat
out said Trump is going to have military, He's going
to use the military. End goal is to basically cause chaos,
cause in fighting a civil war, and then suspend the
next election. Gavin Newsom finally came out and said that
(21:08):
I believe a king. Jeffreys has already also come out
and said that this is what people are thinking anybody else,
And now we have his own words in Quantico suggesting
that Chicago and New York, again democratic cities with large
minority populations, should be used as and I quote training
grounds for US forces. So over the last week, we
(21:28):
have a woman who is arrested for assaulting border patrol
in Portland, and then in Chicago. The raids continued across
all Chicago neighborhoods. It seems Border Patrol agents wearing the
tactical gear you know, came down from the black Hawk helicopter.
All of this stuff has been happening there, and then
Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker said, quote, this is not making
anybody safer. It's a show of intimidation. There was also
(21:51):
a massive raid at Home Depot, with more than two
hundred Border Patrol agents who descended upon one early morning
on Thursday. This operation marks one of the largest federal
deployments yet in the crackdown. Border Control Commander Gregory Bavino
told reporters he has conducted informal outreach with community members
in Chicago, and he says that residents are happy to
(22:13):
see federal agents. Quote, I'm speaking to residents in and
around the downtown area and I am receiving excellent feedback.
Residents are happy to see us in the area, and
many have expressed frustration that we didn't get here sooner.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
But that narrative doesn't match what residents are actually saying
in droves. On Friday, we had federal agents clashing with
demonstrators outside of the Broadview facility. That clash came after
DHS Secretary Christy Nome and Border Patrol Commander Greg Bavino
were seen on the ice facilities roof just before eight am.
You see, the village of Broadview filed a lawsuit against
(22:49):
the ICE in DHS over the fencing surrounding the ice
detention facility. And then Friday night, with helmets and batons
a failanx of Cook County Sheriff's officers kept Dimonstry from
blocking the street in a tent stand off that capped
off a whole day of protest. The Cook County Sheriff's
Office said at least five people were arrested at broad
(23:09):
View and they faced charges like resisting obstruction and aggravated
battery to a police officer. And we've seen some shocking
things too, to me, the arrest of alderman Jesse Fuintez.
Did you guys see that she was handcuffed by ICE
agents while asking for a patient's warrant. And this happened
at the Humboldt Park Hospital. There were two ICE agents there,
(23:30):
one was masked, one was not, and she was just like,
where's the warrant? Do you have a warrant? She wasn't
screaming she wasn't in their face. One of them violently
snapped her around, put her hands behind her back, and
they walked arrested her and walked out. Charges have been
dropped and nothing is going to happen to her, But
what the fuck? And then also across Chicago, ICE has
been deploying tear gas freely. Once they threw it out
(23:53):
of their truck that they were in. If you've seen
that video flying around, they were stuck in traffic and
people were kind of like yelling, right, they were stuck
in traffic, but no protesters. Then someone ends up blocking
a car with a motorbike and they just deploy tear
gas in the middle of downtown. A two year old
girl was injured nearby because it got in heur lungs,
and an elementary school was out and had to take
(24:14):
their students back in. Because we're just fucking launching tear
gas anywhere now. But what's the pattern here? Escalation? Every
single day, it seems federal forces are becoming more aggressive,
more militarized, and more willing to confront civilians and local
officials who question their authority at all. I've said this
a million times in the podcast. Am I a liberal? Yes?
(24:35):
Can we please stop calling everyone Nazi? I've said this
many times to my friends, my family in general. I
mentioned on the last podcast as well, we need to
stop calling everyone Nazis because it is not fair to
the actual survivors of holocausts and genocides. But that being said,
we can certainly not ignore parallels in the path that
(24:59):
we are headed, because the comparison to nineteen thirties Germany
with where we're at right now, y'all, isn't hyperbole anymore.
If you know me, you know I love history as
a polycig in French, double major in college, obsessed with history.
And what's so fascinating to me especially is when you've
taken do you guys just ever think about old wars,
(25:19):
right the Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War two? How
they would have been fought today if we were to
go into say World War three, right like, how would
those engagements have looked different? And one of the main
ways that we are different now in twenty twenty five
than we were different back in the nineteen thirties is technology.
Clearly that starting back in the nineteen thirties, authoritarian leaders,
(25:42):
you know, they enlisted military and paramilitary forces not to
defend against foreign attacks, but to terrorize their own citizens,
to crush descent, to get a stranglehold on the populace.
And when military forces are authorized to view its own
citizens as enemies, citizens become casualties. Kent State for dead,
(26:04):
Tianeman Square hundreds, possibly thousands, the Guangzhou uprising similar numbers.
But those incidents had something that our current situation lacks, oversight,
mechanisms that at least documented what happened, and we are
removing even that thin protection. The Argentine Dirty War started
with military units being given authority over quote, subversives, Thirty
(26:27):
thousand people disappeared. Chile under Pinochet began with the military
quote restoring order. Thousands dead are vanished. In every case,
it started with language identical to what we are hearing
right now, enemies within, cleaning up cities, restoring order. So
in the last episode, which is also the first episode,
(26:49):
it was called f for fascism, and I went through
the fascism checklist of how that's happening. But in case
you're also wondering, okay, well, Robin, how do authoritarians decide
to take over? Well, here you go, six steps and
this is the mechanism of escalation. Step one is that
the military is deployed to problematic areas. We're here right now.
(27:12):
Step one check mark. Step two. Civilian resistance to military
presence creates confrontation. We are tap dancing on this one.
Step two in progress. Step three, the military responds with
combat tactics. Well, it may not have yet fully happened
(27:32):
as of yet, depending on who you ask, but yes,
this has not been explicitly authorized. Step four casualties create
greater unrest, justifying expanded military authority. This is why I
have been begging people to stay at home and be peaceful.
Be peaceful, because this is what they are trying to do.
They are trying to go and instigate and have people
(27:56):
do hateous things or act out in violence in order
to expand and control. Please do not give that to them.
Step five emergency powers suspend normal legal processes. This is
what people are saying. Is the end result of this
is martial law and election being suspended. And the thing
about it is that never in my life did I
think this would be a possibility. Back during the first
(28:19):
election his first term, I remember thinking when he announced
he was running, Oh my God, what a joke. This
will never happen. Oh, how I ate those words. But
that is what a lot of people are stating now
is the likely end goal here. So if that happens,
we're at step five and then step six, military tribunals
replace civilian courts for an expanding definition of threats. And
(28:42):
we have already seen that in the most recent directive
where he said that the threats are radical left, antifa,
anyone who is anti or extreme on is the language
that they use, extreme on traditional American values, you know,
right to life politics, all of that. Step six. We
(29:02):
obviously do not have military tribunals currently, but there has
been a vastly upgraded definition of what this administration considers
a threat. So as it stands right now, we are
currently between steps one and two and rapidly tap dancing
on three. But I did mention a moment ago two
that technology is something that is different about where we
(29:25):
are in twenty twenty five because the technological capability for
surveillance right now that control didn't exist in historical precedence.
Every single phone has a tracker, every post is you know,
potential evidence. Every association that you have with any person
in communications is map immappable. I mean, you can get
a VPN and do all of these little, you know,
(29:45):
quick hats that it specialists or intelligence people tell you
too online. But it doesn't matter, guys, because we're never
going to be off grid. Everything we do, everywhere we
go is covered. That's just kind of a living in
the daily life sort of thing at this point, with cameras,
drone surveillance, our phones, the websites we go to. But
something that I can't quite shake is this explicit psychological
(30:06):
preparation of troops. You could see from the heg Seth
and Trump speech that there is an active attempt. Now
this warrior ethos, if you apply that to American streets,
you have combat mindset of soldiers for civilian interactions. And
if you really think about it, guys, this language, and
I'm not trying to harp on this, but it is
(30:27):
deathly serious, is soldiers are trained to eliminate threats. Our
soldiers are incredible, and these people are going to be
told to eliminate threats that are American soldiers trained for
combat are being deployed for crowd control. Soldiers trained to
follow orders are being placed under commanders selected for political
loyalty and not constitutional fidelity. And I would like to
(30:50):
remind everyone here that the generals in that room and
that speech swore an oath not to a man, not
to a party, but to the Constitution itself, and their
dude is to protect all Americans, not to divide them
into factions. When you remove every mechanism for refusing illegal
orders while simultaneously defining opposition as enemy action, you're creating
(31:12):
a force that will fire on civilians, not might will.
And when does immigration enforcement cross the line into occupation
When federal agents repel from a military helicopter in the
middle of the third largest city in this country, When
US citizens are detained without warrants, when elementary school children
(31:33):
are removed from homes when they rushed back into their
schools from the smell of tear gas. Are we still
talking about law enforcement here? And what precedent is this
setting today at Chicago and Portland Tomorrow? It could be
any city whose politics he disapproves of. If we accept
federal troops being deployed against the will of state governments,
(31:55):
if we accept the withholding of health care and education
funding is political punishment, What constraints at that point remain
on presidential power. So I'm going to make a prediction,
and I hope more than anything I am wrong. I
hope that our country, somehow, somewhere the madness ends, everything
is happy in hunky Dory, and we all go holding
(32:17):
hands and singing Kumbaya out into a field full of sunflowers.
But my actual what I truly think is far different.
I think that in the next thirty days we are
going to see the expansion of military deployments to additional cities.
I think the likeliest targets are going to be New York, La, Philly,
and possibly Boston. I think the justification is going to
be what we've seen thus far, which is crime statistics
(32:39):
or vague threat assessments from DHS. And again, if you
guys actually look at the cities that Trump has either
threatened or sent National Guard to, the crime rate was
already actually trending way down in all the cities. Like
pro the fbis on statistics, so appears to be pure
political theory and strong arming. I think within the next
(33:03):
ninety days we're probably going to see the suspension of
habeas corpus and operational zones. I think that what happened
in Chicago in terms of them going through an apartment building.
I mean what they basically did was repelled onto the
roof like a military think of in the Middle East
and war, repelled down out of a helicopter onto the
roof of a building and then clear it. I think
(33:23):
that we're going to see more things like that. And
in that instance, they zip tied, broke into apartments, broke
down doors, carried every zip tide everyone and got them outside.
Over half our American citizens. I think that we are
going to see a lot more of that, and I
think that we are going to be seeing full on
American citizens detained. I think that that is coming. If
(33:43):
you're out loud, outspoken guys. We're already seeing YouTubers and
Facebook people being visited by the Secret Service and FBI
just for explaining an opinion. And I will concede anyone
who's advocating violence. I hope they do have people show
up at their doors, and I hope they are visited
by these people, because this climate has no place for
(34:04):
that kind of language. But even just regular people who
are just giving their thoughts and opinions not inflammatory, I
think we're going to be seeing a lot of that
in the next ninety days, and I think it's going
to get worse. Within the next six months. I think
that we are going to see a major domestic incident.
I think based on patterns, again solely on historical patterns,
I think it's going to involve a significant civilian casualties
(34:25):
and the event is going to be justified as a
response to you know, resistance or insurgent activity or domestic terrorism.
And I hope, hope that I am wrong about that.
I'm again just going based off of historical markers. And
within the next year, if unchecked, I think you will
see the complete subordination of civilian authority like state and
local governments basically to military command in major population centers.
(34:49):
So you'll see like New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, largely
run by military. And I think everyone's main question is, honestly,
do you think? And I see the comments all the
time on Reddit and everywhere else. If someone's like Democrats
need to get out, make sure you vote. I always
see someone post and comment, you know, how naive or
(35:09):
how cute of you to think that we're going to
actually have elections again. I that to me, that to
me has always been the oh my god, y'all are
being so paranoid. Stop like stop it like I was
back in twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, like stop it, you guys.
That was kind of my line of you guys sound
batshit stop like let's not be the scared paranoid side, right.
(35:32):
Oh no, I'm I have one footover in that so far,
like I have one foot over thinking, h are we though?
Are we going to be able to vote? I guess
we will see. And I've said it before and I'm
gonna say it again really quick. This is not about politics.
This is about principles. And listen carefully here because I'm
going to speak directly at you. This is not about
(35:52):
Republican versus dema crap. It's for those of us who
believe in constitutional governance versus it being destroyed, Republicans who
are horrified by this some fucking how Marjorie Taylor Green
is coming out about all of this. Ted Cruz has
come out about this like it's actually wild how many
people are concerned about what's actually going on. Although Big
(36:15):
prop too at Ted Cruz's faux pas this week of
where he said that we should stop you know talking
about pedophiles, which hww. I know independents who are seeing
exactly where all of this leads. My point being is
that we're all pissed. We're all scared. You know a
lot of us are. Most importantly, I know veterans from
every imaginable political background who are watching their oath to
(36:38):
the constitution literally being perverted into something super fucked up. So,
speaking to you, my wonderful conservative listeners, you did not
vote for military occupation of American cities. You voted for
law and order, not martial law. You voted for strong borders,
not military checkpoints between states. You voted for constitutional governance,
(37:01):
not military tribunals for American citizens. The Constitution that you
guys love to talk about and pull out with your
pocket constitutions and all of that, the Second Amendment that
you defend, the limited government you advocate for, you know,
like all those beliefs. Guess what, cupcakes, all of that
dies when military force replaces civil law. You're not going
(37:24):
to have any of that at all. If you don't
get what the program and realize what is happening. To
my progressive listeners, your fears were not unfounded. We all knew.
We all knew this first term, after we joked about
it when he started he run the first time. Then
(37:44):
we saw the hate speech immediately, the vitriol, they'll forget,
the fights outside the rallies and all of this. Remember
how in his rallies they had even people with signs
and T shirts and stickers of hanging of executing Obama
and all of this horrible shit. I don't know how
well everybody fucking forgot magically about how much racism and
violence was present there. But my point being is that
(38:08):
this cannot be the time for I told you so's.
This is the time to somehow we have to reach
across two conservative neighbors who are in fact just as
alarmed as we are. I know I'm saying it. I
know that there's a big thing about doing emotional labor,
and they knew if they voted for Trump they're a
bad person. All of that shit. Guys, we're gonna have
(38:28):
to put that aside. They need to know that you're
not their enemy, because they're hearing a lot right now
on Fox News and Newsmax and all of that that
we are the enemy, and you need to know that
they are not yours. Hopefully, and yes, I get it.
We may not agree on some of the issues that
we find like our lifeblood right, important human rights things
(38:51):
like that. Right, all of that shit has to be
placed aside right now. And furthermore, to my liberals, stop
the fucking purity test with your candidate I love. I
don't know why. Maybe it's the fact that you know, Democrats,
we have a lot of we have a lot of
privilege on our side as well, and I feel like
a lot of these privileged white people, especially when it
(39:14):
comes to Gaza, I feel like I know so many people.
Then if you're one of them, I mean this with
my whole chest, because I'm not apologizing for what I'm
about to say. I feel like, if you're a person
who normally would conservatives, you can set this one out.
I feel like Democrats if you're one of those people
who vote blue no matter who, and your big sticking
(39:34):
point in this last election was the fact that they
weren't stringent enough on Gaza or something like that and
didn't vote at all that Seriously, like you're getting married
and you go to get your dress and the dress
that you're ordering is ninety nine point nine percent exactly it,
but there's like one extra button and inside it instead
of being instead of just dealing with the one button,
(39:57):
you decide to burn the whole storre mount. That's pretty
much what you did. So stop with a purity test
because we don't really have that luxury anymore at all,
and we never really have truth be told into both sides.
And a reminder, and I'm gonna do this reminder in
every single episode. The algorithm is built for clickbait, rage
bait and to divide us. We are all living in
(40:19):
echo chambers. My Instagram algorithm is not going to be
somebody else's algorithm. Okay, I'm gonna be honest for a moment.
My Instagram algorithm is all German short hair pointer stuff
because obviously obsessed. And then also, you know that annoying
girl who looks like the Keebler elf And I really
don't mean that to be mean, and I'm only saying
it because she's totally picked it up as like, you know,
(40:42):
an identity kind of brand for her, and she goes
to the grocery store and is like this is toxic.
Here are clean ingredients and all that shit. There is
an Instagram account that is her but it just overlays
farting as she dances. And I don't know why, but
that comes up all the time for me on Instagram.
My point being here is that everyone's algorithm different and
we all live in an echo chamber. So like what
(41:03):
I get on TikTok and Instagram is reinforcing my own
belief system, right, Like I get liberal TikTokers for the
most part, So conservatives, you guys are going to get
conservative tech talkers with their own opinions and thoughts and
so forth. Right, our friends that we in company, that
we keep typically are within the same level of social
or moral values, right, Like a lot of people keep
(41:23):
the same birds of a feather, right, But it's echo chamber.
So closing up here, you guys, what can you do well? Again,
I'm anti violence, so none of that. But please document
everything and do it together. Make sure your Republican neighbors,
whether it's you, your Republican or Democrat, make sure you
guys are documenting things together. Make sure reality is established
(41:44):
in terms of what is going on on the ground.
Form neighborhood committees, not partisan groups. American groups include everyone,
the Trump voter next door, the Bernie Sanders supporter across
the street, the creepy libertarian down the block. I'll say
it every time, but contact your representatives. Not like it
seems like it matters at this juncture, At this juncture,
because no one's doing anything. Support judges who are standing
(42:06):
up for constitutional principles, regardless of who appointed them. And
I'm not trying to sound preppy here at all. Right, Like,
I'm not trying to sound like a propper here at all, guys,
But just in case something happens, make sure you have
safe networks, ways to communicate things like that. We are
all just doing our very best to get through life,
you guys. My point being is that we can disagree
(42:27):
on taxes, on healthcare, on immigration policy, on a thousand
different issues, but we must all agree on this. The
military should not be used against American citizens. The military
should never be used against American citizens, period. So this
is it for today, guys. In closing, I want to
be wrong about this, you guys. I want next week's
episode to be about how I overreacted, how the systems
(42:48):
are great, cooler heads prevailed and we're all hunky dory,
But hope isn't a strategy and denial isn't protection. The
question isn't whether we're on a dangerous path. We are.
The question is whether enough Americans will recognize it in time.
Where are the checks and balances? When a decorated military
veteran like Seth Moulton calls a Pentagon speech borderline fascist.
(43:08):
When state governors file lawsuits to stop federal troop deployments,
when local police refuse to assist federal operations, these are
warning signs of a system under severe stress. I don't
have answers to these questions, and I suspect that many
of you listening don't either. But I think that we
have a duty and responsibility to ask them to think
(43:28):
carefully about them. And we need to realize that the
choices that are being made around us are going to
define America for generations. The question is, though, is do
we still agree on what un American means? But anyway,
you guys, thank you for listening. This is episode two
of Red, White, and Bruised. Next episode will be available
next week. In the meantime, you can follow the podcast
(43:49):
as a whole at We Saw the Devil podcast on Instagram,
go to We Saw Thedevil dot com, or just We
saw the devil across Facebook and Twitter as well. Stay
informed and stay peaceful, uh.
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