Where the Veil Grows Thin

Where the Veil Grows Thin

Sean Jeung, hospice and hospital chaplain, is a pioneer in demystifying and destigmatizing end-of-life and death and dying. Her words touch and inspire individuals; they make people pause and they make people think.

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February 26, 2026 30 mins

Welcome to Where the Veil Grows Thin!

In these troubled and troubling times, going back to the basic roots of the natural order
of life and connecting to the Earth can be a salvation.

Please join Sonja Linman and myself as we dig around with the idea of connecting with
what saves us.

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Join me with special guests Sonja Linman and Ben LeRoy in a meaningful dialogue about this time in our lives and in our world. My friend Sonja and I are both able at this time in our lives to be still and have the space for quiet reflection and introspection. That gift gives us a new and fluid perspective on how to be in the world.



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What might we find when we embrace grief rather than turn away from it? Can bereavement and beauty co-exist? And how can we navigate our fear of death? From existential overwhelm to the therapeutic powers of writing, psychedelics, and connecting with strangers, author of Dying to Live: Finding Life’s Meaning through Death Andy Chaleff—whose mother died in a drunk driving accident hours after he gave her a soul-baring letter—discuss...

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June 20, 2025 17 mins

Ben and I got together on Zoom the other day and had a short albeit rich discussion about different kinds of grief. The different layers of grief, the different names for grief. And in doing that I started thinking about how pivotal grief is in our lives and how sad it is that we spend most of our life running away from it, trying to ignore it or making excuses for it.

We’re going to continue this discussion. We just hadn’t talked i...

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May 30, 2025 31 mins

Have you ever found yourself questioning how much you can let yourself be seen?

How open you want to be about how you really feel about something? 

How honest you are comfortable being with friends and family, how safe you feel in different relationships?

And when we know someone needs us to be a certain person, to show up in their life in a certain way, how does that feel when it is not how we are feeling inside in that moment?

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Please join me as I welcome Isa Catto to this episode of Where the Veil Grows Thin.

Isa Catto's daughter, Bailey, left Colorado for a dream job on Broadway. A charismatic, intellectual, smart, funny young woman, Bailey died just days after graduating high school when she took a drug laced with Fentanyl.

Isa graciously agreed to come talk about what Bailey's life was like up until that moment and how her ...

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Join Ben and I as we explore the random encounters in life and the depth and richness that can be found in those moments. We talk about the way reminders of mortality, whether our own or someone else’s, change us. And what we do with what we learn when we wake up and step out into the world.

Next episode I'll be welcomg Isa Catto to Where the Veil Grows Thin. You can learn more about her at isacatto.com.

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Defining faith is a personal, intimate thing to be asked to do. Join Ben LeRoy and I as we step into the conversation that lead us to realize that what we were talking about was just that; a definition of faith. Different for everyone. And important to have if we want to be able to move through our days and nights and come out relatively intact.

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February 18, 2025 28 mins

Join Ben and I as we talk about the idea of metastatic joy and goodness; the question of how to spread goodness and the idea that it is so ingrained in us to not talk about the things we do that are good, that we forget how important it is to talk about the good things others are doing in our communities thus inspiring more of that to grow. 

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Recently I shared the poem "Proxy" by Gloria Heffernan. Join me now in listening to my conversation with her about the way grief and loss have helped her learn the importance of being a peaceful presence in the world.

About this episode of Where the Veil Grows Thin:

Gloria Heffernan is the author of the poetry collection, What the Gratitude List Said to the Bucket List (New York Quarterly Books) and Expl...

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Join me and my dear friend, Sonja Linman, for a 30 min conversation about grief, the great denominator of humankind....the most common thread that connects us all. We talk about our lives working with children who are grieving. How they so beautifully teach us what they need from us or the times when they cannot how we have to trust we have it in us somewhere. We talked about Sonja being a monthly guest to talk in her unique and wi...

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December 6, 2024 7 mins

I wanted this to be between 5 and 6 minutes and I'll get there some day but this week our moment of meditation/reflection is just over 7 minutes. Hopefully, it will be 7 minutes well spent.
It is December 6th. We have just over 4 more weeks of what I'm calling 'the holidays'. 
And then, Valentine's Day.
These reminders, often of things we've lost, don't stop. 
Learning to ground in...

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November 22, 2024 31 mins

Please join Ben and I to explore just what it means to feel cowardice and show up anyway; what it means to doubt and question our ability to open ourselves to failure and show up anyway; what it means to trust.

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November 15, 2024 13 mins

May this 13 minute meditation help remind you to love yourself exactly as you are. May it help you remember you have something to offer the world. May it help you find a moment of solace and comfort and safety in an otherwise crazy day. 

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November 8, 2024 9 mins

This short 9 minutes is offered as a way to help us remember that we've got this, we really are ok and we have this wonderful way of centering in goodness and light. We can all be visionaries!

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November 1, 2024 9 mins

This 9 minute episode reflects on a lesson learned long ago. Initially through tears of sadness and feeling lonely and later understanding the honor and the sanctity of that loneliness.

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October 25, 2024 8 mins

Sometimes, in less than 10 minutes, we can recalibrate and re-align with a clearer understanding and a renewed connection. I hope for some, this 'less than 10 minutes' feels worth the listen.

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October 11, 2024 9 mins

This guided imagery is one that uses the vision of a mountain lake on a beautiful summer day. These offerings are best utilized at home or anywhere that you can create the space necessary to listen with your eyes closed. I hope it eases you into your weekend with a greater sense of peace.

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October 1, 2024 21 mins

A couple of weeks ago I wrote about a sleepless night spent thinking about my death. Since then, I’ve had a couple of people ask me what I have seen happen to others when the reality of their death becomes very clear. What kinds of ‘shifts’ in their day to day life? What kinds of shifts in their focus? Do priorities rearrange suddenly? Join Ben and I as we discuss some of the ways people approach their own mortality.

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September 27, 2024 8 mins

This is the first offering of a guided meditation. It will ask, if you are willing, that you listen with your eyes closed. Please don't try to listen and drive, or listen and cook, or listen and do anything else. I can promise you, it will lose something if you do.

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