Ep 156 / Chasing Turkeys: A Wild Ride with Jagger Muniz and John Weik

Join me, Johnny, and Squatch as we dive into the world of turkey hunting with our special guests, Jagger Muniz and John Weik. We kick things off by discussing everything from the thrill of the hunt to the bond that forms between hunting buddies. Jagger shares his heartfelt passion for turkey hunting, revealing how it has shaped his life, while John brings years of experience and some legendary stories from the field. We also tackle the challenges and triumphs of turkey hunting in various terrains, and let me tell you, it’s not always a walk in the park! Whether you’re a seasoned pro or just curious about getting into the sport, we’ve got plenty of tips and laughs to share. So grab your gear and tune in for a laid-back but insightful chat about all things turkeys!

Takeaways:

• Turkey hunting is not just about the kill; it's about the experience and camaraderie shared with friends in the great outdoors.
• Jagger Muniz shares his inspiring story of overcoming challenges with spina bifida while passionately pursuing his love for turkey hunting.
• John Weik emphasizes the importance of being active in the hunting community, particularly in voting to protect hunting rights and public lands.
• The guys discuss how different hunting conditions, like weather and barometric pressure, can impact turkey behavior and the hunting experience.
• We learned that patience is key during turkey hunting, as rushing can lead to missed opportunities with these clever birds.
• Idaho is a particularly popular spot for turkey hunting, with both Jagger and John sharing their love for the abundance of birds found there.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the WhitetailAdvantage podcast with your host
Brett Bovin.
Thank you for tuning in andenjoy the show.
So as of right now we've beendoing a no intro and just kicking

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off.
But I want to just at leastsay this real quick.
If we have 10 ring news, it'sjust going to be me on here and then
I'm going to say the Tang Ringnews and then we'll bring everybody
in.
So welcome to the show.
The Tang Ring news we havecoming up right now is next Sunday.
We do not have a live showscheduled because it is Father's
Day.

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So next Sunday is Father's Day.
We're taking the day off,having a great Father's Day weekend.
So a if you'll only listen tothe show which you should at least
tune into the live showsbecause we have a lot of fucking
fun here.
There won't be an audioversion of our podcast release next
Monday, just an FYI.
Okay?
So pay attention to that mejibber jabbering.

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Put your corner slot machine.
Thank you.
To Element with the serviceall police officer out there as well
and put your corner slot machine.
Now gather around.
Let's have an awesome storytime around Electron campfire.
There's Johnny, there'sSquatch and there's our guests.
One of them Jaeger and thatone John.
Hey, rock and roll, man.

(01:31):
I don't know if we're gonna beable to tolerate each other with
this many movie stars in the house.
We got a lot of them.
I got a lot of them.
Did you guys have a good weekend?
Do you guys have a good weekend?
Had a good weekend.
Did a bingo night for theNational Wild Turkey Federation on
Friday night and that was a.
It was a pretty good one forbeing our first one up in Libby,

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Montana.
So I was happy with that.
It was a lot of fun.
Got to hang out with a lot ofgreat guys.
So nice.
It was a good weekend.
John, what about you?
I'm stuck in the middle ofprojects to say hunting season ended
temporarily and the wife saidtime to remodel a bathroom.

(02:14):
That's my weekend entails atthe moment until salmon kids running.
Yeah, nice.
Let's do that.
Is Ms.
Bovin on tonight?
Who the is that?
Michael.
My.
Oh Michael.
Shut the up.
Yeah, go to bed.
Bedtime.
He's asking what is the screen layout?
It's a new choice.

(02:34):
Stop asking with all thesestupid nonsense questions.
God.
At least we can see each other.
Might not be able to tolerateeach other but we can see each other.
Yeah, that's all he does isask all these million questions.
Anyways, what happened to theshit is me?
What'd you do?
Where's everybody?
I see me and John, but that's it.

(02:56):
There you go.
Due to technical difficulties,we're still figuring out the new
page.
Yeah, we're still trying towork out.
Episode 100 and, what, 3,000.
Episode 156.
But actually, it's like asecond episode where we tried doing
this whole new thing.
It's like Mr.
Science 3000 theater that usedto be on just kind of.

(03:16):
Sounds a little funky, but I'mgetting it.
Yeah.
Let's do this.
John, let's start off with you.
Let's give.
Give it.
Fucking words are hard.
Give yourself a little bit ofa background yourself.
Everything's worth.
We're all fucked up andgathered around today.
I don't know, man.
Get with it.
It's not real time.

(03:37):
Losing you guys a little bit.
Okay.
A lot of delay.
All right, let's start with Jaeger.
Jaeger, give yourself a littlebit of a background.
So my name is Jaeger.
I was born with spina bifida.
But I love turkey hunting.
It's a passion of mine, and Ilook forward to it every spring.

(03:59):
Well, I know Johnny down therein squash, their big fucking turkey
killers right there on our side.
I have yet to go turkey hunting.
I bought the tag to do it thisyear, but I never was able to get
out there in time.
I mean, if I can be in thewoods, I'm happy.
But turkey hunting has aspecial place in my heart, let me
tell you.

(04:20):
Me too.
I love turkey hunting.
Can't get enough of it.
And when I get it, and when Iget to spend three or four days in
the woods with John, it's atrue honor.
The turkey whisper himself.
That is awesome, man.
That's good.
You guys got that bond, man.
I see that in your videos andwhen you talk on.

(04:42):
On your speeches that I'vewatched these guys, you know, do
together.
It's a great bond.
I got a good bond with mybuddy too Frank.
And we've.
We've hunted Montana, Idaho,and Washington together in the last
two years.
And there's many more years tocome and many more birds to kill.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Nice.
And I have a feeling with him,Colin, birds are in trouble.

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You're being way too generous, Jagger.
Anybody that truly knows you,John, knows.
You'Re the turkey whisper.
That's better than being knownfor some other things.
John, you give yourself alittle bit of a background.
My background?
Yeah.
How far how far back you wantto go?

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Jail?
I mean, prison?
We could go to military.
Nah, just kidding.
Retired to military 20 yearsago out here.
I grew up hunting since theage of 10 back in hardwoods of Connecticut.
In the countryside of it.
I couldn't go there now.
It's a little too leaning thewrong direction, but other than that,
it's been a lot of fun.

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Dad brought me up.
He was World War II veteran,10th Mountain Division, so I got
a lot of woodsmanship from himand, you know, came out here and
been hunting turkeys, Do a lotof elk hunting, a lot of whitetail
hunting, and whatever we canget in between with bears and whatever
else.
So it's always a fun thing.
Raise my kids on it.
And.
Yeah, I'd specialize in turkeyon video, people say.

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Is that all you hunt?
No, that's all I want to show you.
Well, thank you for your service.
What branch did you say youwere in?
21 years in the Air Force.
My.
My grandpa was a mechanic inthe Air Force.
Your dad was out of 10thMountain, you said, John?
Yeah, 10th Mountain.
World War II.
Yep.
I retired.

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Did you really?
I did, yep.
Outstanding.
Thank you for your service.
Your dad was out of Colorado,then McHale, right?
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Yeah, a lot of years up thereand quite a few years overseas with,
you know, a lot of fun stuff.
I got tons of memorabiliahanging around in the office.
Oh, that's awesome.
You don't meet a lot of peoplefrom the 10th Mountain, that's for

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sure.
No, especially that era.
I mean, you know, greatestgeneration our country's ever had.
Oh, that's mini steep skipatrol right there.
And that's.
Yeah, those guys are crazy.
Huge history buck when itcomes to the 10th Mountain, especially
during that era.
So.
Yeah, that's pretty awesomethat you were a part of that, too.
That's cool.
Yep.
Yeah, I retired out of thefirst tie in 187, so.

(07:14):
Wow.
It was a fun time.
Heck, yeah.
But we're not here for that.
We're here.
Talk about birds, right?
Yeah.
Rock and roll with the birds.
Always.
So who had.
Who had a rough season this year?
My season was amazing this year.
Yeah, I did good.

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How'd you guys do?
We did good.
You know, we started earlywith a youth BE PHA Armed Forces
Initiative Youth Camp.
And it was down in, say,central Idaho area, give or take,
without giving everything away.
And it was epic.
I think we put down 13 birdsin one day, which was psychotic.

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And they were all, like, brandnew turkey hunters.
Brand new hunters.
Even for that matter, firstfour hours of the morning were just
too good.
They got spoiled.
Man, that is awesome.
Yeah, I know.
It was great though, to seeall these kids having so much fun
and really getting a passionfor it.
So we'll see him back.
That'll be a lot of fun.
So I want to reach out to youtwo guys for a second and ask you

(08:21):
a quick question.
I, I, I need to know whatreally drove you to get into turkey
hunting.
I mean, was it something thatsomebody just had introduced you
to?
Was it something that, youknow, you just saw them walking around
and you were like, hey, youknow, I gotta try getting these guys
now.
I mean, Jagger especially,because I mean, what he has to endure

(08:42):
to go through the turkeys ifyou guys haven't watched his videos.
I mean, I, I don't know whatwould want to make you, you know,
bust your tail the way thatyou do.
Getting out after those birdsand you don't give up.
You are really something else, Jagger.
And you know, now you got thatnew little electric four wheeler
that you got there to getaround in the woods.

(09:03):
Even better.
I mean, Gez, there, I don'tthink there's going to be a turkey
left in Montana or anywherewith you.
But, but give me, give me alittle insight.
What, what made you startturkey hunting?
What was that key thing orthat key person that got you into
it?
Let's hear it.
So back when I was 12 yearsold, it was the very first kids in

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Montana.
It's changed now.
Now you can do it at 10, butwhen I started hunting, you had to
take under safety, and thenyou had to wait till you could hunt
at 12.
And the school I went to,because I went to a private Christian
school back then, one of thedads there, he was a, he's a pretty

(09:46):
serious turkey hunter.
You know, with work andeverything, he ain't able to do a
lot anymore, but he does itand he's fairly good at it.
And one day he, after school,he walked up to the truck where me
and mom, cause she was pickingme up.
And he said, can I take yourson turkey hunting tomorrow?
It was a Friday afternoon.

(10:06):
He says, can I take your sonturkey hunting tomorrow for opener?
She goes, yeah, he'd enjoy that.
And you know, being 12 yearsold, first year Hunt, I just wanted
to kill something.
Yeah.
And so I went home that night,you know, he says, just put camo
on.
He goes, I got the gun, I gotall everything, Just put cam on and
I'll pick you up.

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So I Went home that night andgot all my camo out and everything.
And that next morning we wentout and went to a spot and got out
and yelped and we heard birds gobbling.
They would to get to them,they were on the power line, they
were down below, but we had towalk up the power line and then we

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set up on top and sat down andactually he had a four sided ground
blind.
So we hiked that up there andgot that set up and set in it and
he started yelping and they'regobbling down below and he starts
calling to these birds.
And in about 30, 35 minutes,here comes three redheads up the

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power line in a full strut.
And it's opening morning 8:30.
First year turkey hunt.
I honestly, you know, I'd seenturkeys in town, but I've never called
to him.
I've heard them gobble, maybein town, but I didn't really know
what a gobble meant.
And I tell you what, to go outon opening morning at 12 years old

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and hear three full struttershammering, I'm like, okay, this is
going to happen.
Watched him come up the powerline and he goes, the one in the
middle is the biggest.
Shoot it.
So I let the first one walkby, shot the one in the middle and
he started flopping around.
And so we got out, walked upthere and it was an 8 inch double

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bearded tom.
Wow, great.
And I tell you what, afterkilling, I mean just hearing them
gobble, seeing them all fannedout their bright red and blue heads,
and then killing a doublebearded tom, that's where it all
starts.
Because you know, I just lovebeing out there and I just want to
kill a bird.
But at the end of the day,that thought in the back of my mind
is there's some true giantsout there and it would be a dream

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of mine to kill another doublebeard or bigger.
So that's why I stick after itin hopes of harvesting another giant.
Beautiful, beautiful life.
That's, that's great.
So John forever John, the samequestion goes for you, buddy.
I know, I know you've been atit a long time and just like me.
And let's hear your side.

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What, what made you just havethat drive to get out on that turkey?
You know, I've always, I'vealways had a passion for hunting.
But growing up as a kid backin that era, they didn't really,
didn't have turkeys even tohunt back then.
So you know, military camearound and I'd say give or take 30
years ago, and when I wasstill in the military, I met up with

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a good old boy from Kentuckyand he's like, man, you've never
been turkey hunting.
We got to get you out in thewoods and let you give this a try,
because if you like hunting,we're going to ruin your life with
this.
So I followed a good old guyfrom, you know, back in the woods
there, and he took me out andsure enough that morning, I mean,
I didn't even really,honestly, you know, I've been a deer

(13:18):
hunter and elk hunter at the time.
Love archery.
And just getting out there andhearing a Turkey Goblin, 3 o' clock
and 4 o' clock in the morningin the tree, I was already hooked
before anything even got any further.
But that first morning,learning from him and seeing how
the.
Basically how the show wentdown and.
And within two hours, shot myfirst turkey.

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And that was the end of mylife right there.
So from that point on, it wasa passion and a never ending learning
of just grinding it out likewe all have from the beginning on.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
So blame it on Kentucky boys.
Hey, that's all right, man.
It got you doing somethingthat you love to do.
That's the best.
Absolutely.

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Yeah.
As far as, you know, we have alittle YouTube channel.
While all that started wasonce I got the passion for Turkey,
I had two young daughters justhitting the age of 10.
And for me, that was alwaysthe age to learn to get out and hunt.
So when I figured out turkey,I'm like, this is the best sport
to start a youth on by farbecause it's so engaging, as you

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guys all know.
You know, get kids out thereand they're, they're active, they're
proactive, they're not just sitting.
And it's a great introductoryfor youth or anyone to get into hunting
for the first time.
Yeah, that's why we've beenpitching Brett so hard about it,
because we were trying to gethim out this year.
He bought a license, so I'llgive him that.
He got there.

(14:39):
Yeah.
I just never got the time toget out there and do it.
I think you'll be hookedthough, Brett, once you, you really.
Yeah.
Have that excitement like fromthat turkey just coming in.
Like, you know, both of theseguys said, I mean, deer hunting's
awesome.
Don't get me wrong.
I mean, nothing, you know, bowhunting and just having that blast
out there getting a nice buck,but it's just so much more laid back

(15:04):
because, you know, you get abuddy and you're sitting in the same
spot with them and you, youget to chat and laugh and have fun
and attack these birds all atthe same time.
And I mean it's modern warfareon turkeys, but it's, it's like a
carnival.
It's.
You're having a blast.
But you know who you're with.
We're deer season.
You're more kind of just likea loner.

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And you know, you may get backto camp and have a good time with
your buddies, but most of thetime you're on your own.
You're just solo trying to,trying to smoke a big old buck, you
know, and it's, it's different.
I, I just.
Turkey season is just freakingawesome, man.
I hope you get to experienceit soon.
It's really.
Definitely.
And it's different every partof the United States too.
You guys chasing easterns,you're on more of a low key game.

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Whereas us out here, we're inthe mountains.
I mean, to us it's a miniatureelk hunt.
And I wouldn't say miniaturebecause our average hunt's 12 to
15 miles.
And we get up in mountainsreal high, thousands of feet, and
we are cruising all day long,calling and talking.
Yeah, and it's like elk seasonon steroids because they're always
talking, you know.
And they're always moving.

(16:06):
Always moving.
Yeah, there's an hour of theday you can't call a bird in out
here.
No.
Now you guys, you can, you canhunt from sun up to sundown, or do
you have to stop at noon whereyou guys are every day of the week?
Sun up to sundown?
Yeah, we have 46 days straight.
Yeah, we have to stop at noonwhere I am up here in New York, they
don't want you huntingafternoon, so.

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Yeah, they used to be thatwhen I was a kid in Connecticut too.
Yeah, I guess they do it tolet the hens get back to the nest
and kind of like stay put fora little bit, you know, to take care
of the eggs.
I, I guess that's what they say.
That's the reason.
But you know, we could go outand roost them.
You know, you can roost abird, you just can't bring a weapon
with you.
So you can, you know, you canfind out where you're sleeping.

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Right.
Squatch up on them like prettyquick in the, in the early daylight,
you know, and get them on afly down or whatever.
But you know, it's, it's justfun finding them and walking.
I mean, we run a Gun up here too.
We hunt mountains, we hunt farmland.
You know, we run a gun allover the place.
So I know what it's like.
Just not on that big of aperspective as you guys do.

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You're going a lot further onthe miles, but still we put the time
and it's.
It ain't easy, man.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It's.
It's harder.
Way harder.
Yeah.
You guys know, man, you know,it's something I'm looking.
I hear you guys talk aboutturkey hunting and how much of a
blast it is.
And don't wrong.
I've always had kind of like,friends that were kind of into it,

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but they weren't like, deadset on it.
Like, it was just somethingfun they like to do here and there.
And they just.
Whenever they got into it and stuff.
And.
And I kind of like, watched a.
Watch turkey hunting at afar.
That kind of makes sense.
And.
But inside my own family, Mydad, biggest big whitetail hunter.
My grandpa on both sides, theywere huge fishermen.

(17:56):
So I was fishing a lot anddoing that growing up.
And never had, like, anyone inturkey that went how to go out there
and do it and quote, unquote,teach me a rope type deal.
And I don't know, like.
Yeah, I always kind of wantedto do it as.
As I got older.
And it always looked like alot of fun.
I'm like, oh, just see themcome in and blow their heads off

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and like a lot.
And to be able to do that withyour buddy.
And then when I watched aSquatch's video, I don't know what
it was, but it kind of hit medifferent because I was like, man,
to see, like.
Like you said perfectly.
You're.
You have a buddy and you'rekind of.
You can do it, like, together,like that type of setting.

(18:38):
And it's amazing feeling to doit, like, help each other out and
go off each other and stufflike that.
Whereas whitetail hunting,you're out there doing it all by
yourself in your own sense.
Even if you.
Let's.
Let's say you have a camera guy.
The camera guy's just up thereto record you.
So you're really out there by yourself.
Yeah.
Until you get back at camp.
So I think that's one thingthat makes turkey hunting that much

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fun.
And you also gotta look at this.
Hunting whitetail deer.
That's only from.
I'm just gonna use Michigan,for example.
October through December,Turkey hunting is basically like
three to four months.
If I'm wrong, John, correct melike three to four months.
Roughly in the spring, summertime.
So it's that nice, fun littlegap hunting thing if you wanted to

(19:23):
get into, involved with tohelp you get ready for hunting season,
if that makes sense.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Definitely.
The camaraderie aspect is, youknow, the biggest, best part.
You can get out there with agroup of people.
Like I said, we did a youthcamp and, you know, we had 20 people
out there in the woods, all indifferent directions, but a lot of
them in large groups, four or five.

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And you can't do that withmost other hunts.
For sure.
Yeah.
One thing I do want, one thingI do want to add is, you know, in
2016, I killed that doublebeard, But I didn't truly understand.
How.
It worked and how to truly doit until I started watching John's
videos and then having thehonor of hunting with him in 2023.

(20:07):
That's great.
Being able to hunt with youand watch you firsthand.
I learned a lot.
I've had a blast, and I can'twait to see what the future holds.
Oh, yeah, we have a good timegetting out there, buddy.
I'm so glad to have met you.
And that's.
That's one of the pros andcons of social media, right, everybody?
Oh, my God.
I'm telling you, it's amazinghow people can come together.

(20:30):
You know, we all frown uponthe Internet a lot for stupid crap
that goes on.
On it, but there's a lot ofgood that came out of it too.
And just like, Just like youguys met.
We all met through, you know,the Internet and basically, you know,
just following each other.
And then it turned into, youknow, now a podcast with everybody
on and.
Yeah, stuff too.

(20:50):
And it's.
It's a.
It's a really cool thing.
And I could totally relate andtotally appreciate how you guys get
along.
Cause Frank, my buddy,Broadside Ellen Bush Frank, he.
He's a great hunter.
Guy's awesome on white tailsand stuff like that.
He's killed some birds in thepast, but he puts me on this level.
And I don't know why he does it.
And I'm not trying to toot myown horn here, but it's just.

(21:12):
It's the same way like Jaggersays to you, John, when you call.
He says the same thing to me.
He's like, squatch, when you call.
He asked me to one day.
He said, you know, I gotta askyou something.
I said, go ahead, buddy.
What's up?
He goes, I noticed you blewinto the diaphragm call like, just
Blew air into it, holding itin your hand.
He goes, why?
Why'd you do that?

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I said, oh, because salivagets stuck in there, and it kind
of.
It kind of makes the damndiaphragm get sticky.
I said, I'm just blowing it out.
So each read is separatedbefore I chuck it in and start calling
a bird.
He's like, man, I would havenever thought to do that at all.
He goes, this is why I lovebeing with you, you know?
He goes, I learned all thiscrap, and I.

(21:53):
It.
You know what I mean?
It makes you feel pretty damngood when somebody confides in you,
just like Jagger confides inyou to.
Oh, yeah, learn.
And, you know, and I'm sure,John, you learned stuff from Jagger,
too.
I mean, you're probablysitting there, you're saying, well,
geez, I probably would havetripped and fell over that damn tree
limb that was on there, but hejust jumped right over and went like
a jackrabbit.

(22:14):
So we got to learn how he didall this stuff.
Oh, yeah.
The day you think you know itall is the day you stop, man.
There's always something to belearned from our friends and our
compadres were out there inthe woods.
Absolutely, man.
Arrogance is the number onekiller of all of us.
So let's do that.
You got a distance, too.
Like, you guys aren't close byeach other.

(22:34):
I mean, how far away do youtravel to go hunt with Jagger?
Three hours up to where helives, and then I try to find places
in between, you know, that areaccommodating, and got them into
Idaho this year, and they hada blast there.
We were saturated.
Absolutely epic.
Montana's tough.
There's.
There's definitely birds inMontana, but you can.

(22:55):
You could spend days upon daysin areas you would swear, there's
gotta be a turkey here.
There's got to be a turkey here.
But no, there's no turkey.
Even though it's perfect.
Day is hundreds of miles and nothing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Montana is so big, you justdon't realize it.
When they're there, they're there.
And when they're not, man,they surely.

(23:15):
Are not, but Idaho was truly epic.
Yeah.
Yes.
Three birds in what, two hours?
Two and a half hours.
We try to tell people we're inMaine, not Idaho.
That's our preferred statement.
It was awesome.
Jagger, I want to try to divea little bit into your condition

(23:38):
that you have, and you had the.
The GoFundMe account goingaround for your.
For your.
What the was it called again?
I'm drawing blank.
Sorry.
It's been a long day.
Don't out me, Squatch.
Geez.
Let's just Utah trikes.
We'll give them a little punch.
Utah trikes did a lot of work.
Absolutely.
Yes, they did.

(23:59):
Let's talk about yourcondition first, Jack.
You cared about sharing alittle bit about it and what.
What exactly it is.
So I have spina bifida, andit's the spine.
My spinal cord is defectedwith all the.
And the nerve endings aredamaged, and so I don't have any
feeling from the knee down.
So you have no feeling fromthe knee down?

(24:21):
Nope.
When have you had this?
Since birth.
Did it come at a later date?
I was born like this.
Yes, like this.
Yeah.
So who got you into hunting?
Did I miss that?
Who got you into turkeyhunting in the outdoors and stuff
like that?
Or is this something that you.
No.
Turkey hunting.
Like I say, turkey hunting wasone of the guys I went to school

(24:43):
with his daughter, and he'salso part of our church hunting as
a whole.
Deer hunting, elk hunting.
My mom and dad and my great grandpa.
I actually killed my veryfirst two deer with my dad and great
grandpa together.
So that was pretty special.
So big game hunting, my dadand grandpa, and then turkey hunting.

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My buddy Brian.
What was it like growing up,trying to adjust it from.
With this condition into hunting?
You know, I'll be honest with you.
Living in Montana for 22years, it.
It was born into me.
It's all I know.
So I've just learned to adapt.
I didn't even think about it.

(25:24):
I just do, like, fuck it.
I'm going out there anyways.
I don't give a shit.
I love it.
I know it's not about turkeys,but a little side note, in 2022,
I killed Mountain lion.
That's awesome.
Oh, how'd that go?
It was a hunt.
It was a hunt that I am veryproud of.
You want to share it?

(25:46):
Yeah.
So one of my friends,actually, a couple of my friends,
local houndsman, they asked.
So the year before, there wasa guy in town that had a tag, and
I'd always watched, you know,their videos, watched the dog's work,
you know, and stuff.
And I've always found it fascinating.

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And so I'd talk to these guys,and I said, hey, if, you know, if
it be possible, I'd like to,you know, just jump in the truck
one day and tag along and seewhat this is about.
And they said, yeah, you know,we'd be glad to take you.
So in 2021, I actually got togo out and the other one of the other

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local guys, he had a tag andhe actually killed a lion.
And so, you know, just gettingto walk in there and see him under,
you know, be under the treeand see this cat in the tree, and
then, you know him shoot it,it was pretty awesome.
And I told these guys, I says,I would love to do this.
And they said, buy a tag andwe'll take you next year.

(26:48):
So in 2022, we open, and theypicked me up, we went out 5 o' clock
in the morning, located a trapand let the dogs out.
Dogs chewed the cat about 300yards down the bank.
But by the time I got downthere, the female, it was a female.
And she jumped tree.
And so they had to let thedogs off and trade again.

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And it was quite a ways downthere, but I just slid down there
on my butt and got down there,killed my cat.
Like I say, it was, it was awet, cold day, a lot of work.
But I tell you what, watchinga cat above you and watch him fall
out of the tree, it was wellworth it.
Man, that would be so cool to do.
That's like one of my dreamhunts right there.

(27:31):
Yeah, Yeah, A lot of fun.
Keep in mind that, you know,we're out there sometimes in chest
deep snow and we're whiningand complaining, trying to get through
it.
And here's Jagger literallydragging himself through the woods.
You know, I mean, think about that.
I mean, this ain't no smallsnow up there in Montana mountains.
No.
Nope.
No.
And if you guys get a chance,watch that video.

(27:52):
It's freaking.
When I got to know these guysand I was starting to really dig
into what they do, I'm like, you.
You got to be kidding me.
You see Jagger and he's.
He's on his head.
I mean, he's literally on hishands and he's going.
And if you've ever watchedlike, what is it?
Rudolph the red nosed rangerhad like, the snowmen, had a snowman

(28:13):
go.
They move around.
That's what Jagger is doing.
He's like, he's going down thehill after this cat.
I'm like, I said, my goodness.
I said, the drive of this oldboy is just insane.
Yeah.
Gotta watch his videos.
Gotta watch the stuff.
Stuff.
Watch.
Yeah, watch.
Go out there in the woods andlet your legs hang behind you and
go do a couple miles, see whatthat's like.

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Oh, man, I couldn't imagine.
I was in Oregon, just going onheights up those mountains and that
Destroyed me.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, he's pretty epic individual.
I was real blessed to get toknow him, I'll tell you.
You know, just one of the many connections.
And I see somebody saying hey,and I'll try to say hey back.
And, you know, then I recognize.

(28:57):
I'm like Jagger's.
He's connecting a lot.
Now that you guys know who I'mtalking about, he connects a lot.
Jagger, that's not a put down,that's a reality.
We have a lot of fun saying, brother.
We chat all the time.
But I'm really happy that Ipushed forward and said, hey, let's
get your story up there,brothers to see, because you're an

(29:18):
inspiration to other people.
You know, you're.
Well, and then, you know, watch.
Watching you for all theseyears leading up to this and then
actually having the privilegeof hunting with you was truly awesome.
Wow.
No, the privilege is all mine, man.
All mine.
So I want to break out alittle bit.
I want to ask you guys what,what coil do you guys prefer?

(29:38):
I mean, which I know I've seenyou guys use Phelps.
I know you use Phelps mostlydiaphragm or use a box using slate.
You're using all of them.
I mean, I.
I don't think I could holdanother darn coal in my vest.
I'm like a walk in Walmart, man.
I mean, I've got stuff that's,you know, I've used for years.

(30:01):
I've got stuff that I'm new,you know, new and trying out.
But break, break down that tome a little bit.
What's.
What you really go to like,which, you know, I'm not.
I'm not leaving my housewithout this call.
Well, for me, personally, I'ma diaphragm caller primarily, but
I'll use everything tointentionally force myself into other
boxes because I don't want tojust get stuck using one thing, you

(30:23):
know, you spend enough time inTurkey, would you realize, yeah,
it may sound perfect to youand you may be doing it really, really
well, but maybe they want tohear something different today.
So, you know, I won't beafraid to, you know, pull out my
slate and I'll pull out a boxand, you know, and just do it for
different reasons.
But I'm also a big follower ofShane Simpson, who put out a video
a long time ago called MouthCall Mechanics.

(30:45):
And if you've never watchedit, you really should because it
gets into the.
Some of the details that a lotof the call manufacturers won't talk
about.
You know, a Lot of people aretrying to sell products and a lot
of people are trying to teachabout their products.
Right.
I looked at one specific videobecause Shane talks about how air
moves through your mouth andunderstanding, you know, you can

(31:07):
go out there and start poppingall different calls, trying to find
which one is yours.
But for me, learning from thata long time ago, I have an air channel
that tends to go down theright side of my, my palate.
So I'm a right sided trunk cutcollar because that's how air moves
through my mouth.
I mean, I can, you know, I'vebeen at it enough years, I could
pop anything in my mouth and,you know, get enough sound out of

(31:29):
it to make a turkey come in.
We all know it doesn't take aperfect call to call a bird in.
But I mean, if you want to getyour best sound or be able to do
all kinds of pitchy differentthings, then you need to find how
air is moving through your mouth.
And so for me, you know,diaphragm collar with a right sided
chunk cut, basically.
And I use Phelps especially,you know, that's our local guys out

(31:51):
here, Jason Phelps, he's beenputting out great products for a
lot of years.
So trying to create our, ourown heritage out here in the Pacific
Northwest.
So that's kind of important tous because we all know back east,
you know, there's a greatheritage of turkey hunting out here,
everybody.
It's a great heritage of elk hunting.
Yeah.
Where a lot of us, you know,we want to, we want to really build
up this turkey aspect.

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And Pacific Calls is anothergreat company.
But I go with Phelps primarilyknowing Jason and met with him and
hunted with him.
And he also has a medium sizeddiaphragm frame for me that also
fits perfectly between myupper teeth.
Whereas the standard wide cutframe, I have a narrow palate.
Once again, have to manipulatethat a little bit and try to get

(32:35):
the air to shut off properly.
I can do it, but you know.
Yeah, no, I know for yearsI've had to.
Some of them, some companiesmake them so wide.
Yeah.
You got to trim them down alittle bit with a pair of scissors.
But yeah, you can, you can cutthe tape down.
But for me it's even thatmetal wider frame.
It doesn't work really well.
Yep, yep.
I know where you're coming from.
You get that kind of get likea blister in the top of your mouth

(32:58):
after about the first fiveminutes of calling.
Yeah.
Or you gotta manipulate it andbend it down just a little bit to
get it to go there and try notto loosen up the tape and then bend
it back the other way.
Yeah, yeah.
The average frame is.
Is either large or a child.
And Jason's one of the fewthat has the frame that's a medium,
so.
Nice.
That's.
That's good.
That's good for a lot of people.

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Yeah.
What happened with Jagger?
Did we lose Jagger?
Yeah.
What happened?
He kind of disappeared off thepicture there.
Are you there?
There he is.
There he is.
I don't know.
It, like, closed me out of the studio.
Oh, maybe the student didn'tlike your Jagger.
There's probably a reason why.
Hey, maybe it was maybe.
We thought you took off onanother turkey hunting event.

(33:40):
Right?
Yeah.
Behind him.
Yeah.
All this talk about turkey.
We thought we were like, whoa.
We grabbed a gun and he's outthe back door.
He's gone.
No, I don't know.
That was weird because it,like, closed me out.
But before the show, I.
The link didn't work, so Idon't know.
It's Jagger.
There's a question for you.
They asking, did you eat that.

(34:01):
That mountain lion?
I did.
It's like pork.
It's awesome.
I love it.
I really want to try that.
I do.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, you gotta come out andgo on a hound hunt.
Oh, man.
All day.
From the army from 10thMountain that lives out in Idaho.
Yep.
And I missed my elk pants this year.

(34:23):
Drawn.
I didn't have to.
You have, like one hour to payfor it.
And I was at work, so I missedthat time frame.
But yeah, I'm definitelyplanning on coming out to Idaho then
real soon to hunt.
Cool.
Yeah, I plan on coming out toIdaho real soon.
Hey, Brett, where are you hunting?
Hey, come on out.
Door's open.

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Man.
I always having fun gettingout there with people.
So you sound like a.
Yeah.
This year I'll be.
Brett, are you out huntingthis year or.
No?
No.
You're not.
That's right.
What about there?
No, no, you're not doing that either.
See, I bought my bear catalready got my ultimate bear.
Deer.
I'm hunting deer, though, Brett.
I.
I got the biggest turkey in mylife this year.

(35:08):
John and Jet.
Yeah, what about.
So I've heard this year the 13tail feathers is, like, kind of a
big deal.
Have you guys ever heardanything about that?
I have it.
No.
So I just did the tail featheror Squatch.
Have you heard anything about that?
Like the tail feathers?
No, I never heard nothingabout 13.

(35:29):
Oh, that's a standard turkeyhas 18 tail feathers, okay.
Then after four years old,they lose them.
They did.
Like, the older turkeys willhave about 13 tail feathers.
Okay.
So I shot my turkey this yearin the.
We ran up to it, and the guy Iwas hunting with, first thing he
does is count the tail feathers.

(35:50):
He's like, you got 13?
And he's freaking out.
I was like, cool.
Like, did I lose some?
But no, apparently that's thething now.
And I looked into it more, andyeah, a lot of people are like, oh,
yeah, the 13, then the Spurs.
I got hooks so I could hang itup on a limb.
And that was cool.
I've never had that before.

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And I'm looking, I'm like, oh,they're two inches.
They're two inches, man.
I got one and seven, eight.
That was it.
I was like, so close.
Like, measure it again,measure it again.
But nope, that's awesome.
Just like your dick.
2 inches.

(36:30):
1 in, 7, 8.
And like she says, so close.
So close.
But you have to make the best.
Of what you got.
Yeah.
What about you, Brett?
Where's your bird falling at?
I got some stuff right here,but I can't make it work.
I make a.
I sound like an AR when I do it.

(36:51):
We're gonna have to do somerecordings for you and just put them
out on a speaker for you soyou can get something to come in.
No kidding.
Because, yeah, when I do it, I'm.
Like, see, I can't do adiaphragm call.
I'll pop it in.
Going in too far.
Yeah, that's annoying yourmouth, John.

(37:12):
If it makes you feel anybetter, I can get him to sound, but
it don't sound very good.
Oh, I can't even get it to sound.
So it's just practice,practice, practice, practice.
I didn't call him under watch.
Anything else.
But no diaphragm.
I can't.
So I picked up because, youknow, elk.
I'm hunting elk this year and beautifuling.

(37:34):
I'm like, oh, man, I've got a Butyl.
So I ended up buying a Slayertalls elk Butyl the Enchantress.
And it's a diaphragm call, butit's a push button blow.
And oh, my God, that thing isso awesome.
Yeah, those are easy to use.
Oh, super easy.
I practiced with it on my wayto work every day.
This giant whiffle ball batstood not my window in my truck.

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But don't try to be theperfect elk.
You want to sound like a youngbull, not an old one.
See that?
I've never hunted elk, so I'vebeen told to.
You want to be the biggest oneout there to get the big ones, you
know, the big bulls in?
Or you want to be a young bullwho doesn't know what he's doing
and try to get someone to comein and fight.

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And I'm like, well, I'm goingto sound like a retarded bull.
That's.
You're gonna be like a red bull.
That's about it.
You're gonna.
Bouncing around like crazy.
Oh, man, I can't wait.
Like, whether I see one ornot, it's just gonna be an experience
and it's gonna be awesome.
Yep.
Get the elk nut app.
Yeah, I'm gonna need to n.

(38:40):
He's the bomb, man.
Yeah, Everybody else makesgood videos, but he teaches well.
That's cool.
He doesn't lie.
So I got a question for you guys.
What do you do differentlywhen you got bad weather?
You know, I mean, you get outthere, you usually get a nice, crisp,
cool morning.
And you know, you're gettingout there in the beginning of the
spring and you hear themgobbling off the roofs and then they

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hit the ground.
They might be hemmed up alittle bit.
They're talking.
They're talking, you know,okay, maybe I got to get them away
from their hens around nine o' clock.
And, you know, you don'tstrike, you know, that day.
So then you're counting onSunday to go back out.
And it's raining and it's windy.
I mean, you got to dosomething to change your stuff up.

(39:22):
So you guys got any pointers?
What do you do for the weather?
Yeah, pour a really nicebourbon, sit back and relax.
That's what I do.
I don't blame you.
I don't blame you.
Nice.
I'll be honest.
Even if it's raining, I stillgo out there just because I like

(39:42):
being out there.
But yeah, yeah, not too.
Not too much success on therainy days unless you're out in a
field.
They usually try to get to the.
Field here on rainy days infields, they're.
They're out there all day.
Yeah, they love the fields, man.
Yep.
Yeah, they'll get on the edgeof the field, lift their wings up
and try to dry out when they can.

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But for us, I mean, there'snot a lot of fields in the first
place.
And we're mostly in up in thewoods and up in the pines and, yeah,
they'll play, but, man,they're about as excited about it
as you are.
They look Depressed.
They act depressed, and it'spretty much called depressed as well.
So, I mean, since we really.
We have a month and a half togo out and chase these birds.
Yeah, it's.

(40:24):
You know, if you have apressure change out here, it shuts
down for three days.
You can have good pressure orbad pressure, but it has to be consistent
pressure.
And if it's consistent high orconsistent low, it's going to be
great.
But if you have a flip, youmight as well go watch a movie or,
like I said, pour a nice bourbon.
I saw something to hit onthat, too, was if it was 29 on the

(40:45):
barometric metric pressurethat the birds will gobble more than
a lower barometric pressure.
And I know it affects fishingwhen I'm.
I'm out there, the bite gets alittle less when there's a higher
barometric pressure, because Ifeel it's.
It's like putting, like givingthem a headache.
Like they don't want to try topursue the bait, whatever they're

(41:06):
chasing.
So I've noticed it definitelywith fish.
I don't know if there's anytruth of it with the turkeys, but
I.
I did look at my app a coupletimes on the phone, looking at the
parametric pressure, and I'mlike, yeah, they're not talking that
much today.
I need an excuse.
Yeah.
Why do I suck today?

(41:27):
Now?
Yeah, it's the barometricpressure, guys.
Don't you.
Yeah, it's got to be the pressure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's what it is now for, you.
Know, And I can only speak to our.
To our birds and what's goingon out here.
You know, I'm not going to get into.
There's a huge differencebetween if I was going eastern hunting
and I'm doing what I'm doingout here.
Sure.
But if I'm talking to the.
The people out here, it reallyis very, very in your face and obvious.

(41:49):
If you have.
Whether it's low or high, ithas to be a consistent for a couple
days.
Yeah.
You can always find that onebird if you want to kill yourself
walking through the mushroom,but it's not likely.
And I've watched it shut downright in front of me with birds that
were gobbling and coming in.
I mean, literally watchingwith Binos, I'm like, well, these
birds are hot.
They're going to be here in 15minutes because we'll call them from
one mountain range to the next.

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They'll just keep coming.
Our birds will walk a countrymile to die.
But I've watched the pressureflip right in the middle of all of
this and hit you in the backof the head with a cold brush.
And you're like, oh, God, no.
And you can watch those birdsjust stop dead in their tracks, shut
down, turn around and juststart eating.
It's like, wow.
The heck.
It's like, man, it just.

(42:31):
It shuts off and there'snothing you can do about it.
Yeah, yeah, it's.
I've.
I've experienced that too.
This year we had them, youknow, rare and hot right off the
beginning.
And then mid morning, it waslike, where the hell they go?
And then about 10:30, 11:00clock, they're back, they're gobbling
on their own.
I mean, what.
I killed my.
When I killed my bird thisyear, I had made a series of some

(42:54):
loud calls.
And then we just shut up.
I was like, you know what?
We're in a good spot.
We don't have to move.
We had our decoys out.
And that Tom.
Thank God Frank stood up thestretch because he's like, squatch,
it's coming to your window.
It's.
It's your side.
Shoot him.
And I'm like, it's your bird, Frank.
He's like, no, I can't shoot you.
Shoot him.
So I shoot.

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Roll the bird over.
We got three cameras in there.
I'm like, was your camera on?
He's like, no.
I'm like, oh, no.
So I reach over, I hit mine on.
I got the bird just kind ofmaking its last flop and I'm all
happy.
And he's happy.
And I look at him and he goes,I'll never forget because he goes,
you were happy.
And all of a sudden yourealize what you did.
He's like that, look, you werejust like, oh, I just shot a bird

(43:37):
off a Frank.
You know, and.
And he was happier than allget out, man.
He was just, you know, I'm blessed.
I'm really blessed to havesomebody that cares that much.
You know, sometimes people getjealous and it's.
It's not.
There's no place for that.
You know, we.
We're just as happy ifsomebody in our group.
Oh, yeah, you know, we're justecstatic, you know, And.

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And you, you do generally seeit in the video how much that, you
know, we're jumping up anddown for joy and that he's happy
for me.
And you know, I.
Like I said, I was a littledepressed at first.
I felt really bad, but youknow, in the same respect, I didn't
want to ruin it either.
And just, you know, be happyfor each other.
And it was.
It was really good, man.
Heck, yeah.
It's always more fun seeingother people's success, honestly.

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Yep.
Gotta love it.
I was speaking of turkeys, though.
Like, my weird superstitionis, I say all the time, if I don't
catch.
If I don't see a turkeyfeather on opening day, walking to
or from my stand on openingday, then I just think to myself,
this season's gonna suck balls already.

(44:44):
Catch it or something.
Or maybe I'll find one lateron the road.
I'm like, all right, there's alittle bit of.
Little bit of glimmer left inmy hunting season, but if I just
don't find one at all, I.
I just instantly think, yep, I suck.
I'm not gonna do anything this year.
It's gonna be the worst seasonof my life.

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So I don't usually do this,but this year, I actually started
scouting on my birthday, whichis March 20, and I went out almost
every single day until season opened.
Wow.
Which, as John will tell youfor around here, it's pretty rare
to find.
You know, it's doable, butit's definitely.

(45:26):
You're working to find birds.
And before I open her thisyear, I had 12 gobblers found.
Very nice.
Beautiful.
That's really good.
That's good for Montana.
That's for sure.
Like I say, I.
It was.
You know, it was every day,but definitely put in the time and
the effort, and it was a lotof fun.
Yeah.
I'll say this, though.

(45:47):
I had a buddy during turkey season.
He.
He caught a.
A triple beard.
And if I remember right, itwas 10, 8, 6.
Did you just say he caught one?
Yeah, he killed once.
Yeah.
He ran it down and caught itwith a nest.

(46:09):
Exactly.
You know, you know, the commercials.
Where are, like, those videoson the Internet where the husband
is, like, watching the cheetahchase something, and the wife goes,
if that cheetah doesn't catchthat, you.
I'll give you some poontang tonight.
And then they come out there,and then he chased down the cheetah.
Yeah, that's my buddy.
He did that with a turkey.
And he said it.

(46:32):
Like, I've seen it done in Florida.
Of course.
Florida.
They use, like, the handdecoy, and they walk right up to
a time, and they'll grab it.
Like, that is crazy.
Yeah, crazy.
Completely illegal to do herein Michigan, but, yeah, I thought
it was like, oh, dude, Ireally want to try that one day.
You know what, though, man?

(46:52):
With these guys out here, someof them, you probably end up getting
shot.
They probably think you're abig old turkey coming through the
woods.
You'd be like, oh, man.
And it'd be on video.
And all of a sudden you justsee the shot coming at you at, like,
the last second, and then thecamera just fades out and no more
Johnny.
Yep.
Sorry.
John's.
John's not gonna make it onthe Tuesday or Sunday episodes now.

(47:16):
Yeah, we're gonna be reallybummed about that.
Yeah, real bummed.
We might throw a party andJust to keep our spirits alive.
That's right.
Yeah.
About to get Dave back on the show.
God, I'd wish you have himover you.
At least he brings someentertainment, some good looks to
the show.
This is true.
Yeah.

(47:36):
Yeah.
So what do you.
What do you guys.
Michael's been asking this question.
Go ahead, jump the Michael.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to.
My bad.
Go ahead.
Ah, dude, go, go.
No, no, no, you go.
You go.
Well, be the dick.
I'm not going to be the dick.
All right, all right.
So I was just going to askthese guys, what do you.
What's.
What's the biggest mistakethat you think new turkey hunters
make when they get out there?

(47:57):
Calling too much.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'll agree.
What do you think, John?
I don't know.
Everybody says I call toomuch, but so far, so good.
I don't know.
Not calling.
I mean, the classic is lack ofpatience, you know, and just not
learning enough woodsmanshipof the area that you're going to
be hunting in, overall, notknowing what's out there and what's

(48:19):
going on.
But, you know, we've all read the.
The different things everybodyalways wants to say.
Lack of patience probably morethan anything else, depending on
where you are.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree that patience isdefinitely a big key role with that.
And like I said, where we weresitting out in the field, you know,
I was like, hey, don't worryabout it.

(48:40):
We got everything going for us.
We're like in the middle ofthe movement here.
We just got to hang tight andit'll happen.
And the second time we wentout after that same thing again,
they.
They were talking a little bit.
They got quiet, and they cameback again, and he's like, you know,
I used to, like, run and gun alot more.
I said, yeah, well, I'm old.
I don't like to move aroundtoo much.
Chris.

(49:01):
You know, I've learned just tobe patient.
A lot of the times those birdsWill just, you know, meander their
way back through and, youknow, you'll get a crack at them.
Sometimes they just got to getaway from the hens and just like
rabbit hunting.
A lot of the times they'lljust make a big circle and come right
back through around on you.
And you get it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Get a good chance of reallysmoking another one, you know, so

(49:22):
that's cool about that.
You know, I.
Like I said, every place isdifferent, but it's just awesome
when you, you know, you get itwhen it all comes together.
Just like any hunt, it's.
It's key, man.
And when you get to experienceit with somebody, it's even better.
Yep, that's key.
Even Montana.
Even that Montana turkey huntwith John.
Was that.

(49:42):
That.
That was an adventure in 23.
Yeah, it sure was.
If only we had a slug whenthat bear came through.
Oh, he'd have been dead.
He was a stud, man.
He's any close to.
We could have stabbed him witha knife.
Yeah.
Is that black bear or drizz?
Black bear.

(50:02):
Big old black bears ears areway out there on the sides of his
head.
He was a.
He was a good bruin Walkingright down the road to us.
So the funny part about thatwhole thing is my uncle, who was
with us, he decided to go onan actual bear hunt.
Like, hike in and try to finda bear.
And me and John went turkey hunting.

(50:22):
And.
Yeah.
Had one at what, 10 yards?
If that.
That was so funny on thatvideo, man.
I watched that one.
And you're like, yeah, myuncle's out bear hunting, and here
comes this big old bear rightby you guys crossing.
Oh, yeah.
I'm like, oh, my gosh.
And I've had bears come inwhen I was turkey hunting, too.
It's pretty wild.
It's fun.
It's fun.
Yeah, it was pretty funnybecause Jeff was like, I can't.

(50:45):
All right.
I need to take a break fromturkey hunt so I can go kill a bear
today.
I'm like, okay, you're gonnawish you didn't, you know?
And sure enough, on video, I'mlike, there you go, man.
Should have been with us.
You should have stuck with it.
You could get your big old bear.
Nice.
Yeah, A lot of fun.
Since Michael's stupid comment.
He's saying he's commenting onhere, and he wants me to pin it about

(51:07):
Squatch, but I can't see it.
I told him to tx it to me, buthe is yet to do it.
That's so much for a 14 year old.
Pay attention to the detailsand doing the correct thing.
He's from Long Island.
What do you expect?
I've seen nothing on it either.
I've been watching those.
I know, because he's just an idiot.
But we love him.
He no longer has the right.

(51:29):
I'm gonna say this right now.
He no longer has the right toask if our guests that come on the
show if they tried possum.
It's done and over with.
We're done with that.
Our guest on the last showsaid he's tried it, we're done with
it.
We can move on.
Knowing him, he'll come upwith some other dumbass question
to ask all of our guests.

(51:50):
So we're waiting for that whenthey come around.
And so anyway, I got, I gotsome fried chicken and some watermelon
to eat and I got some kool AidI want to drink it down with here.
So I'm gonna start wrapping uphere in a second.
I want to ask this, though, acouple rapid fire questions for you.
For you both.
Let me find my questions.

(52:10):
Here we go.
First question is we'll shootit to John and then we'll go.
We'll go.
John Jagger.
John Jagger.
Brian, besides hunting, do youhave any other hobbies or interests?
Ooh, fishing's a big one.
Of course.
That's one of my biggesthobbies as well.
Nice.
Jagger, what about you, man?

(52:31):
Hunting, fishing.
I don't do it so much anymore,but for four or five year run, I
was pretty heavy into wolftrapping because wolves are a big
issue in Montana.
So I got pretty serious aboutwolf trapping and just anything in
the outdoors, shooting, whatever.
What's your biggest wolfyou've ever trapped?

(52:53):
I've personally never actuallytrapped one.
That's pretty badass.
Not gonna lie.
That's just all like wolf trapping.
Sounds like something I reallywant to try one day.
They're small.
I will be honest.
It's a lot of work and it's,it's time commitment.
You're out there every day.
Oh, absolutely.

(53:13):
That's a lot of fun.
They're super smart.
They are.
John.
Johnny.
I'm talking to our Johnny.
This the rapid fire segment,not the long out segment.
I don't know what happened tothe rapid fire man.
It's the slowest machine gunI've ever seen.

(53:34):
He's called.
That's called hang.
That's a hang fire segment.
They're hanging out of those81s, shaking your arms.
You want to ask him what hismother's maiden name was, where she
Was born.
I mean, you know, we could getreal detail here.
Yeah, yeah.
We can really get into this.
Yeah.
His grandfather come over onthe Mayflower.

(53:54):
What was his meme?
You know, I mean, we could.
We could go back.
Favorite cigar, favorite bourbon.
Yeah, we can keep going.
Yeah, we can just rock thisright out.
Yeah.
John, what animal is in yourbucket list to hunt?
Say it again.
What animal is on your bucketlist to hunt?

(54:15):
What animals on my bucket list?
I would say successful archerywith a mountain line.
Ooh, nice.
Yeah, that's a bucket list for me.
What is animals on your bucketlist to hunt?
An eastern, a Rio, and an Osceola.
Before I die, I will completethe grand slam.
It ain't a matter of if.
It's a matter of when.

(54:35):
Nice attitude.
Love that.
Now.
Oh, my God.
I got.
Okay, Michael, I swear to God,we're not gonna entertain this, but
I'm gonna just say this.
He asked, Jagger, have youever tried walrus?
No.
No.
I'm not going down this rabbithole because no one's ever going
to come on the show and saythey drive walrus.

(54:56):
Right?
Yeah.
For that.
That question, we can go up tolegends, and they have.
Oh, there we go.
We can just get that doneright now.
Tuesday.
Yeah, we'll just go up thereand say, hey, did you guys try wallers?
Yeah.
All right, perfect.
Let's start that question downright away.
I can't remember her name,but, yeah, once.
That's good.

(55:17):
Two times.
Come up with a differentanimal, Michael.
Jesus.
A walrus?
You.
Seriously, Jagger, what animalyou want to try eating?
That.
We walked right into that question.
What was the question?
What animal do you want to try eating?
I don't.
I mean, anything.

(55:37):
I don't know.
Moose.
I don't think I've ever tried moose.
Really?
Actually, John, what about you?
Alligator.
Actually.
That would be a close.
That would be a close, closeone, too.
Have you had.
Have we had anyone on the show?
Say crocodile?

(55:59):
No, I don't think we have.
No, I think that's the first one.
Yeah.
I don't.
I don't think so.
Michael has to leave.
He says I have to leave.
Bye.
Bye.
Thank God.
Don't hurry back.
He's gonna.
He's going to eat dessert.
Try that possum.
Yeah, that possum and walrus.

(56:20):
It's like a possum pie, baby.
Love you, Michael.
Have a good night, man.
Let's go back here to John.
What has been your favoritestate you've hunted?
Ooh, favorite state that I've hunted.
It still goes back to Idaho,and I've hunted a lot of different
states, but, man, I just lovegetting up in those high mountains
of Idaho.
Love it.
It's rugged, it's harsh, it'sdifficult, and it's always a challenge.

(56:44):
Jagger, what about you?
You've been out of the stateyet to hunt.
I don't want to copy, John,but Idaho?
I have never seen so manybirds in my entire life as I seen
the two days in Idaho.
I forget.
We.
We.
You hardly saw any birds in Idaho.
That was Maine.

(57:04):
You were in Maine.
You were in Maine.
Idaho was the worst.
There's not that many birds in Idaho.
Come on, dude, come out.
We'll set you up in Brett's spot.
We'll see birds.
Jagger, all of a sudden, nextyear's road trip to Idaho from the
white till advantage, guys.

(57:25):
They're gonna be like, whatthe hell?
Spoil your ride.
Jagger, what is the top stateyou want to try and horn?
I would love to go to Floridaand chew Nascula.
Wow.
Okay.
John, what about you?
I had to hear it again.
It was kind of broken up.
What is the top state you wantto try to hunt?

(57:47):
Hawaii.
Hawaii?
Oh, yeah, Hawaii.
They don't churches there,though, John.
Yeah, they got turkeys there.
Oh, do they?
Oh, yeah.
And then maybe we'll make atrip to Hawaii.
But if you ask what's my topcountry, it'd be New Zealand.
Oh.
Ooh.
Yep.

(58:07):
New Zealand Archery doesn'tget much better.
I've seen videos, and thatlooks badass.
It's cool.
I got family there now, so itcould happen.
Oh, wow.
All right.
If you could pick anybody,family or non family member, to go
on a hunting trip or share acampfire with one time, who would
that be?

(58:28):
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
That Nugent.
That was my answer too.
Yeah.
Jagger, what about you, buddy?
I honestly don't know if Ihave an answer.
You can say, Brett, it's all right.
Huh?
You, Brett.

(58:52):
You'D be better go off huntingwith Cookie monster from Sesame Street.
Better off hunting with 1995Pamela Anderson.
I'll put it this way.
Any.
Any of you guys.
I'm already off the list, sowe've hunted together.
John.
Yeah.
John who?
Who's John?

(59:13):
I don't count anymore.
Well, you said earlier you'dlike to get an eastern, so I just
want to extend the invitation.
You get a hold of me, I'll domy damn best to get you on an eastern
out here.
I don't know how you get out here.
If you could get out Here.
But I'd be willing to take you anywhere.
I can go anytime.
I could start another GoFundMe.

(59:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Same with Michigan, man.
I got some amazing spots.
I got some awesome places and connections.
We'll make it happen, for sure.
If you really want to getsomewhere, if you really want to
get turkey killed in Michigan,come to me and I'll just set you
up perfectly.
I'll set you up with Johnny.
There you go.

(59:55):
I'd love to shoot one in the Adirondacks.
It's been a long time since Ihiked up there.
Well, that's.
That's only a couple hours for me.
That's not too bad.
We can get you.
Yeah.
Hey, you know, I can get you.
Well, if you're retired, so am I.
We can get out to Fort Drum.
I know right where they are there.
Yeah, I just retired threemonths ago, so I'm ready to go.
Perfect.
Let's go hit drum up sometime.
We'll.
We'll hunt.
There's definitely going to besome states hitting some birds killed

(01:00:17):
this year.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Time to start calling in allthose numbers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
John, should we.
Should we talk about how manybirds you had this year?
No.
That'S a hard game.
There's game wardens listening.
Shh.
Don't tell us.

(01:00:38):
Yeah, that's right.
Be quiet.
Yeah, somebody's gonna startchecking my freezers.
Last question here for you guys.
Jagger, start with you.
What do you think we, asfellow hunters, could or should do
to improve the hunting community?
The big one, especially aroundhere, is clean up after yourself
in the woods.

(01:00:58):
There is nothing, and pardonmy French, but there's nothing that
pisses me off more.
When I go to hunt a piece ofpublic land and all I see is trash.
We have a beautiful country inthe great state of Montana, and you're
out there sometimes milesback, and all you see is trash.
It really gets under my skin.
It's like you pack it in, packit out, pick up after your damn selves.

(01:01:23):
Right.
Lazy out there.
Yeah, I agree with you.
Down that dough, Jagger.
John, what about you, man?
I'll second Jagger.
But I mean, really, if I'mgonna get into that question a little
bit in depth, it's gonna be,how about voting for a change?
Like, absolutely, get out and vote.
Because so many hunters, Imean, they talk big, but honestly,

(01:01:44):
the truth of it, we know about20% actually take the time to put
any energy into voting, and weneed that.
We need it desperately.
Get involved in what's goingon in your community.
Backcountry hunters andanglers is a really good community
to join up and be a part of.
They're very involved inwhat's going on in our public land.
So that's a pitch for them for sure.

(01:02:06):
We need a hunting in thesummer so we can hunt in the fall.
Yeah, yeah.
More tags.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
Was it.
I was watching Head N Speaklast time when, when Trump was running
or the first initial time whenhis first term he tried running.

(01:02:28):
That was a big thing that theywere saying.
Yeah, the hunters out there,they talked this.
Like you said, they talkedthis big game and.
But yet they don't actuallytake the time to go vote.
They don't.
I mean, we're losing all ourrights out here in the state of Washington.
I can't blame it all onSeattle as much as a lot of it is.
But the truth of it is whenyou get involved in the community
of hunters, we have, and wehave tons, they don't vote, they're

(01:02:52):
not active.
I'm like, stop complainingabout losing your spring bear season
then, you know.
Yeah.
Because they're.
They don't want to try andstay involved and try to understand
what's going on.
It's one thing learning,knowing what's going on in a different
state, like, but if you'rehunting in your own state and granted
it's law that you need to knowthis, the laws, but you need to know

(01:03:13):
the other things going outthere in your own state of.
Well, they're trying to dothis and trying to push this narrative
and this law and they'retrying to push these here and there.
I'll say this, for example.
The township that I live in, they.
We are the second highestpaying township in the entire state
of Michigan.
And my township that I live inis like in the boondocks nowhere.

(01:03:36):
And it's like extremelyshocking, especially when you have
like Grand Rapids, Detroit,Kalamazoo and you have all these
major cities in Charter Cityand all these other townships, but
mine in low southwest Michigan.
Anyways.
Location, location, location.
Yeah, our taxes by 5%.

(01:03:57):
No one showed up to this.
And I'm an idiot because Ididn't know it until after the fact.
But then about a hundredpeople came to the next town to vote
and a lot of people showed upand they said, no, fuck that, you
ain't gonna try and push thisat the last second.
I use that as an examplebecause in the hunting world, same
thing, same shit happens.
They try to pass it hereNothing gets about it at that time

(01:04:19):
and then still nobody shows upat the next time.
Yeah.
So.
Yep.
Get involved, stay involved.
You're gonna lose it if you don't.
Exactly.
Jagger, John, I want to saythank you so much for coming on the
show tonight.
We greatly.
Absolutely.
Thanks for having us.
Thanks guys.
This is fun.
Great to see you guys inperson at some point.

(01:04:41):
Yeah, be great.
That'd be fun.
My door's open.
Come on out and hunt.
John, how can people reach outto you, man?
You can find me on Instagramat Northwest spur chasers or YouTube
as well.
Pretty easy to get a hold ofme there.
Jagger, what about you, buddy?
Turkey Slayers 406 onInstagram or Turkey Slayers 406 on

(01:05:03):
YouTube.
Awesome.
Squatch.
How about you, buddy?
You guys all know Sundays andTuesdays at 8 o' clock.
You know, I'm on here alsowith Boondocks.
Awesome guys out there.
And you know the Garden Stateoutdoorsman, Frank and Mike.
They're great guys.
Could catch me on Instagram.
Same title, outdoors and moreof the Squatch.

(01:05:24):
Don't forget to watch theYouTube channel.
I enjoy all the comments and subscribes.
You know, the guys give me andI got merch out there.
Guys.
Check out Bonfire, man.
I just came up with some newshirts and stuff.
Doing some stuff with the chat GPT.
Making up different shirts andfunny little things.
So hey, you know, support theold Squatch, I take it, turn it around,

(01:05:46):
put it towards cameraequipment and stuff for the channel.
I don't burn it up on anything else.
So I appreciate all you guysand, and you two both are freaking
inspiration.
And I'm so glad I got to meetyou guys.
I'm glad Jagger got what wewere striving for out there.
And you know, you guys aregood God fearing men and that's.

(01:06:08):
That's what I like.
It's good.
Good people.
Amen.
Johnny, our Johnny.
How.
How can people do it for you, man?
Yeah, you can find me on hereTuesdays and sometimes.
Or yeah, Tuesdays, sometimes Sundays.
Hit or miss, I'm around.
You'll see me on here.
I just count on Johnny notshowing up.

(01:06:30):
I ruin your day.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm lookingforward to it.
I get so excited, like, all right.
I haven't heard anything abouthim showing up for tonight's show.
He's not gonna be there.
Okay, great.
It's gonna be a Zen peaceful night.
Then I see him in the waitingroom and I'm like, oh, I was here.
The best part Is he can't dropme from the waiting room, so I can
just jump right back in.

(01:06:50):
I have that admin ability.
Yeah, I gave him, Squatch andDave, the admin ability to do whatever
they want with this wholestudio thing.
And that's probably one of theworst decisions.
Well, the second worstdecision because I asked him to be
a part of the team.
Yeah, you asked us to be apart of it first.
Yeah, that was the main kickerone right there.
God, that squash.
God damn.

(01:07:11):
So I can mute him like that.
Now Brett can talk.
It's awesome.
But I'll bring him back.
What's up, Brett?
Yeah, what up?
I don't know where I went off.
Anyway, thank you guys againfor coming on tonight's show.
Greatly appreciate it andthanks for the invite.
Yeah, thanks for having us.
Awesome stuff, guys.

(01:07:32):
Nice having you on.
Yeah, thanks for.
Yeah, it's great seeing you, brother.
Thanks for your help,everybody and anybody that's out
there listening.
Thanks for the help of the fundrive to get Jagger his machine.
Absolutely making a dream come true.
I really appreciate it.
Now we have to start a driveto him to shoot in eastern.
Come on out here.
Yeah.
Yep.
Come on.
Like I say, it's not a matterof if, it's a matter of when.

(01:07:54):
I will be completing the grandslam, period.
We just gotta get you two more batteries.
You can get there, no problem.
I'm just gonna say I'm gonna pull.
I'm going to be going out tomy truck and he's going to be sitting
there at his scooter, man,like, hey, let's go.
All right.
Yeah, well, I.
I worked in the hybrid andelectric vehicle field, so I.
I'll get you covered on that.
There you go.
Heck yeah.
All right, guys, have a greatrest of your night.

(01:08:15):
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