May 12, 2025 • 51 mins
Experiencing unexplainable phenomena, heightened sensitivities, or a sudden disconnection from your normal life? You're not losing your mind—you're awakening. In this powerful episode, Christine and Shantel unpack the common signs of spiritual awakening that often leave people questioning their sanity.
When our Souls are ready for expansion and our spiritual gifts start to come online, it's easy to find yourself wondering... Am I just crazy? This conversation will show you that you're not alone, and help you to understand everything that's happening (and why)!
Along the way, we offer grounding tools and energetic boundaries to help manage overwhelm, especially during accelerated awakenings, and share personal stories that affirm a key message: You're not losing your mind—you're evolving, and you have the power to navigate this journey with intention and sovereignty.
- Signs of spiritual awakening
- Isolation as a transformation phase
- Importance of energetic boundaries
- How to manage overwhelming sensitivity
- Communicating with spiritual guides
- Grounding practices (e.g., nature, calling your name)
- Establishing morning rituals
- Coping with accelerated awakening
- Personal stories of spiritual overwhelm
- Claiming sovereignty in the awakening process
- And more!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It's time to remember your divine purpose and
limitless potential.
Welcome to Wisdom Rising, theofficial podcast of Moon Rising
Shamanic Institute.
Join shamanic Reikipractitioners Christine Rene,
isabel Wells and Chantel Ochoaas we guide you on a journey of
radical self-discovery andspiritual guidance.
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Each week, we'll dance throughthe realms of shamanism,
mysticism, energy, healing andpersonal development to
illuminate your path to truehealing and self-sourced wisdom
Through weekly inspiredconversations and interviews
with leading spiritual andshamanic practitioners.
We are here to help youacknowledge, reconcile and
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balance your energy so that youcan awaken to the whispers of
wisdom rising from within.
Welcome back to another amazingepisode here on the Wisdom
Rising podcast.
In today's episode, you'll joinwith Christine and Chantel as
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they dive into the signs andsymptoms of a spiritual
awakening.
When our souls are ready forexpansion and our spiritual
gifts start to come online, it'seasy to find ourselves
wondering am I just crazy?
Some people may even be toldthat they're experiencing a kind
of psychosis or that they'relosing their minds.
This feeling is really commonfor those undergoing a spiritual
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awakening, and today'sconversation is here to help
show you that you're not aloneand to help you understand
everything that's happening andwhy so.
If you've been experiencingwhat you think are signs of a
spiritual awakening, or maybeeven a dark night of the soul.
Feeling your spiritual giftscome online, feeling more
clairvoyant, feeling moresensitive to energy or to other
people's emotions, feelingphysically ill or just
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overwhelmed with our world ingeneral.
Right now, this conversation isfor you.
Christine and Chantel are hereto help you understand what's
happening and why, help you feelmore confident that no, you're
not going crazy, you're justawakening to the truth of who
you are.
They'll share their perspectiveon what the most common signs
and symptoms of a spiritualawakening are and how you can
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help yourself move through thisprocess with ease, clarity and
confidence.
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Christine is currently away onan amazing pilgrimage to the
birthplace of Reiki Mount Kuramain Japan and when she returns,
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she's going to be bringing allof the amazing knowledge that
she gained on this adventure andexperience and putting it into
her Reiki Masters class.
So this class is truly afountain of wisdom, blending
everything that we know aboutReiki from its roots in the East
and in Japan with everythingthat we perceive Reiki as now
from the West in modern culture.
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So if you are ready to take orretake your Reiki master's class
and you want to do it in thisincredibly immersive way where
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And in the meantime, let's goto the show.
I hope you enjoy today'sepisode.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Today we are talking on spiritual awakenings no,
you're not crazy and how toreally tell what the signs of
awakening are and really knowingwhat the difference is between,
let's say, spiritual psychosisand signs of awakening, and what
that looks like as you progresson your spiritual journey.
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Because it can be a rudeawakening for many of us who are
coming into this awakeningphase of our life to go whoa,
whoa, whoa.
Is this normal or is this notso?
Welcome to the show.
I'm joined with Chantel Ochoa,who is going to be joining in
the conversation, and I'm reallyexcited to really dive in,
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because I feel like we get thisquestion a lot.
We get this question a lot inour Facebook group, our Shamanic
Mystics, Moon Rising group, aswell as from our students of
like.
How do I know?
How do I know I'm not justgoing crazy, Right?
So, Chantel, why don't you kickus off this morning?
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How do we want to begin todescribe the signs of awakening?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So I do think I agree with you.
This is a huge topic becausewhen you are in the quote
unquote 3d reality of life andyou just are going through life,
you're working, you got yourfamily, you're doing all the
things that we're expected to dothroughout our society and our
norms and everything and thensuddenly something happens, and
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a lot of times it's eitherthere's it's forced through like
a trauma or an illness or abreakup, there's some heartache,
there's some like emotionaldistress or physical distress.
That happens where suddenlyyou're like whoa wait, what's
going on?
What is this new energy or newunderstanding that I'm having?
And so it isn't.
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At the beginning it can feellike it is like a little bit of
craziness and psychosis, becausesuddenly you're feeling
energies, you're hearing things,you're seeing things, you're
aware of stuff that you didn'tknow yesterday, kind of thing,
and so with it, it's knowingthat we can go and do this work
and walk the walk of anawakening and still be very
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normal, because it's reallywhere we are.
So one of the things that we dois we go into isolation, we
start to pull back, we start toreprieve, we start to isolate
ourselves because we're nolonger in alignment with what's
going on around us.
We're not tapping into the sameconversations, we're not
tapping into the relationshipsthat we have.
There's just this disconnectfrom ourselves and others, and
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so isolation is a huge thing.
That starts to happen for usand with that it's like are you
depressed?
Are you feeling like you have alot of anxiety?
Are you feeling like you'rejust not a part of the social
norm anymore?
And really what it is is we'regoing in and it's like an
opportunity for thatself-reflection and
introspection.
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And our body is changingbecause our frequency is
changing, so we're actuallyevolving into a higher
consciousness of awareness andthat crystalline body, our DNA,
is shifting.
We're changing on a physical,we're changing on a spiritual
and all of these aspects ofourself are starting to shift.
Our mind, our thoughts, ourprocesses, everything starts to
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shift.
But if you're not communicatingwith the right kind of people
that understand, likelike-minded people that have
gone through it, it absolutelycan seem like you're going
through some level of psychosis.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Right, and there's that isolation, like you're
purposefully, maybe unknown,purposefully self-isolating, and
then you're in your thoughts oflike is this normal?
Is this not normal, how?
What is going on?
And that that, that phase ofisolation is really interesting
in the fact that oftentimes, aswe are kind of vibing higher, if
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you will, the people who arenot on the same wavelength are
going to stop.
You don't resonate with themanymore.
It's easier to say no, I don'twant to go out to the bar.
No, I don't want to go out todo X, y and Z, because it's not
no longer an alignment for you.
And so you're having thesesocial changes and it brings
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about this isolation.
I don't know how many timeswe've had students go.
I'm just alone.
I'm joining the program becauseI need to find my community and
feel like I'm in a group oflike-minded people who are going
through the same thing as I amand that's the main purpose of
them joining the moon risingshamanic Institute and our soul
rising program.
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Right, and I'm like, yeah,absolutely.
I would say that's like themajority of our students are.
They're in it in that way andit does take a shift.
I remember I remember my own.
There was one point in my lifeI was like I don't have any
friends.
I don't, I no longer haveanyone I can connect with or
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relate to.
Like there are no more highschool friends, like that's just
a waste of time.
There's the um, uh, there's noone in my community that I I
could connect with.
Like they don't understandwhat's going on with me and
really asking source God creator.
Like bring me my people right.
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Like I can't do this alone.
Like I need someone who willactually understand me.
And it was so funny becausesometimes when we ask we really
do receive.
Like I'm ready for the shift,bring in the people.
And I remember going from likehaving this sense of like I have
no one to.
I had one of my friends call meup and be like let's create a
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women's group, let's create awomen's circle, and and only
like only those who are likehighly spiritually gifted are
like going to be in our women'scircle.
And so we came up with a listand we did.
Within a week we had a group ofsix women who then met monthly
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for years, right, and we wereall in it and it was so nice to
just be like I don't have anyfriends to.
Oh my God, I have a, I have agroup, I have a community who I
can say what sounds like batshit, crazy things, and they all
understand, they all get it Likethat.
That transition is amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
That's a powerful.
And it's so powerful because,especially, I think, with women,
men too, but as women we werenurturers and we like community
right, Most women do.
We want to come together incommunity and support each other
and, do you know, work witheach other.
And when you feel like you justdon't have a tribe or community
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, a circle of women that you cancommunicate with, when your
conversation changes, it'sreally difficult.
And I know for me, I have my.
My group has become very small.
I mean, I have a lot of friendsand people that I love to work
with, like my community.
I adore them, I have an amazingcommunity here.
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But when, for my past friends, Idon't interact with any of them
anymore, I'm like I don't evenknow how to even communicate on
a level of just everyday stuff.
Or like, yeah, let's go to thebar, let's go get drunk, let's
hang out.
I'm like you know I'm good withthat here and there, but if
that's your regular every day, Idon't resonate with that Like I
used to.
I used to, you know, and therewas a part of me sometimes where
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I miss my old self because Iwas so carefree and it didn't
matter.
I'm like let's go do it and nowI'm like I don't know, not so
much reserved, but I understandthe consequences of it the next
day, the energetic consequencesof it.
You know the attachments, thelow vibration, the energies that
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are surrounding us in thoseenvironments that I wasn't aware
of years ago.
And now you go in that and youreally got to protect yourself.
You really got to bubble up anddo the things that you're not
having.
All these experiences thataren't pleasant.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah for sure, absolutely.
And so it's like as we becomemore energetically aware, and so
it's like as we become moreenergetically aware, we become a
little bit more of an energetic.
It's worthy, worth it to us tobecome energetically protective.
Yes, and that's why thatisolation tends to happen.
It's to really evaluate where'syour energy safe and where are
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you going to be accepted andwhere where's the?
You know it's like going thecaterpillar, creating that
cocoon, going into thatcrystallist phase, turning the
mush and staying there for a hotminute, like sometimes that
mushy, mushy phase takes a whileto really under, like,
reorganize your energy,reorganize your lifestyle,
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reorganize how you want topresent yourself to the world.
And so that isolation and thatcocoon, when you become that
crystallist mush phase, you willeventually come out as a
butterfly.
But know that, like it's allfor reason and purpose.
And as you're in there, whathappens in our regular everyday
life is things like food mightbe different, you know, your
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sensitivities to food might bedifferent.
All of a sudden you're you're.
You can't tolerate alcohol, oryou can't tolerate processed
foods, or if you do, you feellike crap afterwards.
And then then it's like well,now I need to figure out how to
detox, because clearly there'ssomething I'm I'm getting um,
getting heavy with right, likeit doesn't align with me anymore
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.
So you're finding all theplaces and spaces that are now
out of alignment.
All of a sudden, your food, yourcompany, your uh, your work,
like I don't know how many timeswe have people who are, who
come in to moon rising, whereit's like, yeah, my job is
sucking my soul, you know, likeit's no longer like I used to
love this, this used to be mypassion.
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I just cannot stand being inthe company of these people
anymore.
I can't handle the water coolerconversations, like all of the
superficiality of quote unquote.
Normal life is too much right.
Like it's just not.
It feels dull, it feels heavy,right, and so, as you are
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recognizing, wow, my energy isshifting.
How can I honor myself?
And then, all of a sudden, it'slike I'm worthy of eating
organic, I'm worthy to noticewhat foods make me feel not good
and choose differently.
Like I'm worthy to to makelifestyle changes, I'm worthy to
get up and take time for myself.
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I'm worthy to do the self-carework, I'm worthy to meditate,
I'm worthy to whatever it is.
All of a sudden, the peoplearound you are like, oh my gosh,
she used to like give and giveand give and just was a people
pleaser, and now all of a sudden, the people around you are like
oh my gosh, she used to likegive and give and give and just
was a people pleaser, and nowall of a sudden she's doing
self-care.
How rude.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
How rude, how rude of you to take care of you.
I love that with the honoring,though, because it's really what
it is, cause when you're, youknow they, they have.
It's what is like a spiritualsnob, you know, vibrational snob
, and that's not what this isabout.
It's just truly honoringyourself and recognizing where
you are versus where theenvironment you used to hang out
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in, right, or the people orwhatever.
Like you said, the water coolerconversation.
That can be very basicconversation.
People aren't talking about thestuff we're talking about, and
you know and I don't really comeacross anyone that doesn't
understand or know a little bitabout what I do but I did just
meet a woman the other day andshe was a full virgin.
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She knew nothing.
I was like wow, and it feltlike like that's like a dinosaur
, like I found something unique,you know.
And then her mind was so blownby the end of our session
because she's like dinosaur,like I found something unique,
you know.
And then her mind was so blownby the end of our session
because she's like I didn't evenknow any of this existed.
And I'm like, yeah, and yethere you are sitting in a Reiki
master's room ready for ahealing because none of the
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systems out there work for her.
The medical system failed her,the dietary system failed her,
everything started failing herand she became sicker and sicker
, and sicker until she was likeI need to come here, right, and
she was brought to me.
But I loved how open she becameand I'm like, there it is, the
seeds are being planted right,like we're being cracked open as
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human beings to have thishigher conscious awareness.
And at first it might be scary,and at first it might be scary
and at first our people don'tunderstand.
And we are changing the way weeat and we are changing the way
we think.
And you know, we're just oursenses change, we become really
heightened in our senses, notjust our physical senses but our
spiritual senses.
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So suddenly you are seeingthings, you're hearing things,
you're feeling things like howmany of you that are listening
to us have heard a word comethrough your name, something,
and you're like who's there?
What's that?
Right?
I mean it's a moment of likeyou're searching around your
house, like, is somebody in myhouse?
I have woken up and I'll hearmy name and my husband's at work
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and I'm like, oh, my gosh,who's here?
And then I oh yeah, okay, it'sjust like my spirit team talking
to me or whatever.
But there is.
There are these levels of thingsthat are happening for us, when
you can feel the prickles ofenergy moving up your spine and
into your crown.
And you know and if you watchus, I know for me I feel energy
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so much.
I'm always like, I'm alwaystwitching in some way because
I'm like itching it away.
I'm like my gosh, it's a lot,but we don't talk about that.
So here we are this is theconversation to say, hey, it's
okay if you're feeling all ofthe senses increase and you're
seeing beyond the veil, you'rehearing beyond the veil and that
means that we're just, you'reraising that vibration to match
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with the frequencies of theuniverse.
That is allowing you to reallytune in to your higher self.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, totally.
And so know that, like I feellike when this transformation is
happening, it's like yourspectrum of awareness expands,
so like, like, it's just kind oflike how we're only supposed to
see so many colors and there's,here's the spectrum, but we
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know that there's infrared andthere's all this, it goes way
out.
It feels a bit like that whereyou're just stretching the
capacity in which your sensoryavailable to, so then you are
feeling into the energy ofpeople, like you know, like
there's I think that's one of areally common one too is that
you can feel when something'soff in a room.
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You can feel when someone's hada bad day, even though they
haven't said anything.
You can just start sensingenergy and it becomes really
heightened, where oftentimesyou're once again self-isolating
because you're like I don'tknow what to do with that.
I don't know what to do withthe feeling of feeling someone
else's energy.
Or if you start seeing thingsand, like now when you walk
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through the woods, you're likeyou're seeing the aura of the
trees or feeling into their,what they're having to say to
you or whatever it may be, it'slike everything becomes a lot
more heightened, and soisolation is a way to really
return to yourself and go thisis, this is my energy, this is
my energy, and that it can beshocking in the beginning to go
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how do I cope with this?
How do I learn them from this?
And I think this is why you, alot of people, turn to books and
YouTube and podcasts andcourses and trying to find
answers.
That's when it's in thatisolation of all these things,
waking up, this heightenedawareness of how can I make
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sense of it, and maybe they doend up in a Reiki session for
the first time and they don'tknow anything, right, like
they'll start seeking outanswers to explain that they're
not crazy, right?
The other, the other thing thatI think happens is that people
do think that they're crazy andthat they're going, they're,
they're losing it, right, and sothey go to the doctors, they go
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to a therapist and they try tofigure, figure it out from a
Western point of view, of whythis is happening.
And yeah, there's a lot of drugsout there from the Western side
that can tap all of it down, sothat you can quote, unquote
like stay in the matrix, like,right, like they're like that's
an option and people do takethat because it's too it.
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It freaks them out too much orthey're becoming too sensitive
that they're not really sure howto adjust.
And, um, and I think that's whythere's for every person out
there who is beginning to wakeup, there are, like it feels
like there's 10 light workersready for them to, to take them
under their wing, like I feellike there is so many healers
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and light workers and Reikihealers and shamanic
practitioners and all of thethings that are ready to help
guide and mentor these newlyawakened souls here on earth.
Because this is the time, we'rein, the time of the spiritual
awakening, and and so the worldis flooded with resources.
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I mean, you can't go to YouTubeand look up what does it mean
when I hear buzzing from aspiritual perspective and not
get thousands upon thousands ofvideos and answers?
Like the information is outthere, and I think that's why so
many recognize this isn't aWest, this isn't a problem that
I need to fix with a Westernsolution.
(21:54):
Right, like they know thatgoing to a therapist or going to
the doctors isn't going tonecessarily give them the
answers that they seek.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And I mean, of course we're not saying don't go to
anything like the doctors andtherapists and stuff.
Do what you need to do withinyour, your scope of
understanding where you are, butknow, if you are meeting your
professionals and they are notanswering the questions, they
you intuitively, are comingforward within going no, this is
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not that I don't need themedication.
No, I'm not crazy.
No, this isn't happening.
No, there's a whole other sideto your health and your mental
wellness and that is going tocome into energy work, holistic
medicine, all of that, becausethat is a whole nother like
highly functional, functionaldoctors, everything that can
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really help and assist us.
And so, knowing that, whenwe're receiving those intuitive
nudges, when we're receiving thedownloads and messages that
were maybe in the beginning kindof bypassing, tune into those
because that's your inner voicespeaking to you, that's your
inner voice that's leading youand guiding you and telling you
hey, you know what?
Go over there, there's so manylike students that I have and
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they're like I woke up and Ijust heard Reiki, like they're
being spoken to, and then theygo on the search of what the
heck is that right?
And then they find themselvesin doing energy work and now
they're, you know, in level twosand they're, they're practicing
and they're trying to get there, they're working on their own
skillset.
And it's just amazing towitness it on this side of it,
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knowing where I've been, youknow, because there was a time
in my life where, well, I'venever been like asleep, but I've
been.
We have layers of awakenings,okay, and this is not a linear
journey.
It's not like you're going togo from isolation to this to
that.
No, that's not how it works.
It really is a cycle that we gothrough and so when you're
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going through isolation, youmight have many, many times of
isolation throughout yourjourney for the rest of your
life.
And I find what happens with meI just actually started coming.
I'm coming out of one right now, and it's not so much that I've
isolated, but what happens ismy um, my focus shifts on other
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things that I'm creating andthen, like the clients start, um
, not slowing down, but Irealize certain things are
shifting and then, all of asudden, it booms again because I
have to put my energy over.
And once I recognize it, I'mlike, oh, okay, I see what's
happening.
It's like being that rubberband being pulled back, you know
, and I'm getting ready to shootoff again.
And now that I know it, it'sexciting.
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So I can be in isolation and belike you know what.
I'm going to take this time tomyself right now and I'm going
to do some help.
You know, some personal healingand personal work, and I'm
going to go and work with thosethat I'm aligned with.
And you know, do all of thisLike I just brought a sound bed
into my practice.
It's a freaking amazing and, um, it was a process of which I
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bought one and kind of gotburned on that company and
working with that, but we builtone and it is amazing.
And so these are just ideasthat have been coming to me like
do this, bring that in.
So now I can reiki you on asound bed.
But the experience of how weallow ourself to grow and evolve
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through our transformation isjust so powerful.
Whether you're walking awayfrom the job you've had forever
the career into somethingdifferent that's more in
alignment with you, or you'recreating a new community of
people, this is really.
It's because you're steppinginto your true, authentic self.
You're releasing theconditionings that you were
taught from childhood and sayingyou know what I don't believe
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in, that I don't feel like that.
Like how many people say youknow, I sat in church for many
years and I could never reallyresonate with it, or there was a
resonation, but then like theyresonated, but at some point it
no longer did Right, and it'sjust this growth process, and
it's not that anything isnegative or positive more so
than the other, it's just you'regrowing and evolving into a new
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version of yourself.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, exactly, and I'm really I want to also bring
into this conversation like whenis it too fast, when is it
actually like ride that line ofpsychosis or spiritual psychosis
, and you're you have too manydoors open in your spiritual
space where things are coming intoo fast and what do you do
(26:31):
about that?
Because I think people who aregoing to listen to this episode
is real, are going to be thepeople who might be writing that
line Like, yeah, spiritualawakening, a lot of people are
experiencing it.
Nice, gentle, easy, we got ourtimeout spots a lot of
frustration, a lot of tears,maybe a dark night of the soul.
And then we have those that arereally like it's.
(26:51):
It's like, uh, almost like astripping away of everything
that you've ever known, and it'shappening really really fast.
And those are the people that II I do tend to work with,
people who are kind of ridingthat line of like do we need to
have some type of intervention,some type of medical
intervention, something whereit's like this is outside the
(27:15):
scope of quote, unquote, normalspiritual awakening.
And I'm curious, chantel, haveyou had clients like that?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, yeah, and having to work with them and
giving them tips on things youknow, practice rituals that they
can do, and I'll go sit outsidewith them, we'll sit on the
dirt, we'll sit under a tree,we'll go hug trees.
I take because I facilitate agrief group and they're right
(27:44):
there, you know, but theirs isbeing the catalyst, is the is
grief.
You know, they lost someonedear to them and so we'll go
walk around the property and, um, take in nature.
And it's interesting because atfirst they're just like we're
what?
And I'm like, yeah, we're goingto go and sit on the dirt and
we're going to connect with theearth.
One of the things I really, um,I'm all about calling our name
(28:07):
back, and when I first learnedthis it was from my
mother-in-law and I thoughtyou're freaking crazy, what are
you talking about?
But it's really so powerfulbecause if you understand that
when we are feeling like there'sa leakage, or we travel or we
journey, or we've been like insociety too much right, we're
(28:28):
around too many people you callyour name and it's I am, and you
state your full name and you doit in power and you do it in
strength, and you call your namethree times and literally it
calls back all the fragments ofyourself, it pulls your energy
back in.
And then you state that I callall my energy back and I do it
through all timeline, space anddimensions because of you know
(28:50):
we're multi-universe, likebeings and parallel universes
and stuff.
So I know that when we do thatit is so powerful and grounding
it's like an instantaneous thing.
So if you've traveled, there'senergy that has that's, you know
, still traveling to you.
You know like our soul is likethree days ahead of us, our
(29:11):
physical is in traveling, ourenergy is trailing behind us.
We have to condense that andwith that is literally calling
your name back.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I love that practice too.
I think it can be really potentwhen you feel spaced out, when
you feel fragmented, when youfeel like you're really
ungrounded because yourspiritual side, your crown
chakra, is so wide open right,it's a way to like bring your
(29:40):
body, mind and spirit into onetime and space.
Right, and I think that's areally good point of that's kind
of what it feels like when it'sit's gone a little too far, a
little too fast, is that youfeel really ungrounded.
You feel like your crown chakrais really open, your third eye
is really open.
You might have tingling there,you might be getting
(30:01):
experiencing headaches, youmight not be sleeping well.
The, the nightmares might bereally activated.
And it's how do you startclaiming your space of what
you're available for and whatyou're not?
I find a lot of people who areundergoing a very fast
transition.
They're not really sure how tocreate energetic boundaries for
(30:23):
this process and claiming likeI'm not available for us to see
X, y and Z, I'm not available tosee negative entities or ghosts
or whatever it may be like, howto actually say I'm not okay
with this.
This is my free will, choice,I'm not open and available and
putting a stake in it.
And there most I would say mostpeople who are undergoing this
(30:46):
transition very quickly don'tknow that they have free will.
They don't understand thatprocess of sovereignty, of like
you can actually put the brakeson and you can control this.
And I think that's why it is soeffective to bring people
outside and get connected withnature, because it's once again
you're here, you're right now.
This is this feel your senses,feel your body.
(31:08):
This is what's happening right,and it's interesting when we
start encouraging that practiceof coming back to yourself,
coming back to your body, comeback to your senses, because
your sensory and the physical isgoing to help ground you Right.
And so it's the recognizingthat you do have some control
(31:35):
and that it doesn't have to bethis complete free for all of
all of the things spiritual,like you.
I like to explain to my studentswho are doing, who are going
through this like, imagine it aslike a barometer, like, right,
we, we can set the temperatureof our house.
Why not set the scale on whichyou're open and available for?
(31:58):
So maybe, maybe, when you go tothe grocery store, you want to
be at 10% open, so that you haveenough to feel intuitional
nudges but you're not gettingbombarded with everyone else's
emotions and their thoughtprocesses.
And you know seeing spiritswalk through the aisles of the
grocery store, right, likethere's a way of going.
(32:19):
I'm not available for that.
And then there's other timesthat let's say you're meditating
and you're learning how to setintentions.
Okay, I'm going to set myintention for this time to be
open to a healing helper who'sgoing to be my spirit guide and
help me in this process.
Like, just knowing to ask.
Like I want a spiritualindividual who has my higher
(32:41):
self knowingness that I want.
I want someone.
I need somebody, right, and tocall upon them.
And I think there's a lot areason why a lot of people turn
to their religious figures, toJesus, to Mary, to because
they're familiar and they can dothat job as well.
(33:01):
Right, like I don't have any umthat that it just because
religion has this heavyundertone for a lot of us
doesn't mean the religiousfigures are actually that way.
Right, like a lot of these areascended masters and they would
love to come and support youthrough your spiritual journey.
Right, and so knowing that youcan call on a higher source to
(33:24):
support you, to protect you, ishuge.
To call on your angels to toask for them to protect you and
guide you through the process,and then that is that's when I
see things really starting toshift, of going.
You do have spiritual help onthis side.
In the physical, you can find amentor, you can find a teacher,
and on the spiritual, you havementors, you have teachers, you
(33:46):
have guides.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I think it's so important for our listeners to
to visit that aspect of beingable to dial in how much energy
and awareness you want to havein a moment.
And I think because in thebeginning we don't think, we
don't know that we have thatfree will to ask of that or that
it's even possible to say, hey,I need this dial down because
(34:12):
it is too much.
If you're a dreamer and you arejust being bombarded all night
long and you're traveling, weall travel, okay, we're all
traveling at night.
But when they're really lucidand really really vivid and
you're traveling, we all travel,okay, we're all traveling at
night.
But when they're really lucidand really really vivid and
you're working all day and thenyou go to sleep and you're
working all night, you need totell your guides, hey and my ear
is ringing on that one Tellyour guides, hey, I can only do
(34:32):
this for a period of timetonight.
That's it.
I'm only available for thisshort period of time.
Give me my messages quickly,because our body needs to rest,
our mind needs to rest, we needto have this shut down and we're
out there working 24, seven,spiritually and physically.
So, yes, dial it down when youfeel that the other thing is
(34:54):
closing your crown.
Just closing it like that willreally bring in, as Christine's
talking, like if you're feelingloud here, bring it in, and that
way your mind can really startto rest.
And I know you're laughingbecause you're a traveler big
time at night.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, you know, that's a funny thing.
So, yeah, I am giggling overhere because my crown typically
is like a giant satellite dish.
It's full open, right.
And my dreams are interestingin the fact I don't think I have
very many spiritual dreams thatwhat they will do is just
freaking wake me up.
And so what they would dobefore I had control over all of
this is that they would wake meup at two in the morning and
(35:32):
talk to me for hours, for hours.
They would just literally wakeme up and I'd be downloading for
hours.
They would tell me exactly whatI needed to do and how I needed
to do it, and they would justgive me so much information, and
to the point where I wouldmaybe be getting two to four
hours of sleep every night, andthen I wasn't functional to
implement all the things thatthey were telling me to do.
(35:54):
Right Like, I was so exhausted.
I was so exhausted and, yeah,my crown chakra was wide open
and so I wasn't necessarilytraveling through the cosmos by
any means.
They were just waking me up andthen giving me my downloads,
and I finally got to a point ofgoing okay, this can't happen
anymore.
Right Like, you have to come tothat place of here's my
spiritual boundaries, here's myenergetic boundaries.
(36:16):
I am not available for you towake me up every night at 2 AMm.
Not, okay, I'm not down withthis.
I need a better solution, andyou know, the solution was like
well, fine, if you want us tostop waking you up in the middle
of the night, then you need toactually make time for us during
the day, and that was somethingduring my spiritual awakening
process.
I resisted, I resistedmeditating, I resisted taking
(36:37):
time for self-care.
I resisted taking time forself-care, I resisted tuning in
during the daytime.
And they knew that.
That's why they woke me upevery night, because I wouldn't
listen to them otherwise.
Right, and so they were likeyou, make time for us at 2 PM in
the afternoon.
We'll give you an hour you canrest, which your body needs
anyway, take a nap and we'lldownload from 2 to 3 PM and
(36:59):
we'll stop waking you up in themiddle of the night.
Right, and so it was this.
I feel like this is how myguides are.
They'll push me into extremeuncomfortability.
I don't like the way this feels.
Until I go, fine, I'll do thething.
So I'll meditate during the day.
I'll do the practices that theywant me to do, so that they
(37:20):
have time to offer whateversupport information that they
have for me during the daytimehours, and so it.
And then, when I started doingthat, okay, I'm taking a nap at
two in the afternoon, I'm, I'mtuning in, I'm meditating, I'm
having my practice.
It was very sweet, but then it,eventually, I don't need to
(37:41):
take naps anymore.
Why?
Because in that process I havenow a morning practice and an
evening practice and you know Ihave a created space in my life
to tune in.
Like I, I offer shamanic Reikisessions and there's times when
they can come in with theirmessages.
Then, like, I'm opening upwindows of opportunity for them
(38:01):
to talk to me during the daytimein a healthy way, versus them
pushing me into an uncomfortablespace where I have to pay
attention, right, and it allcomes down to energetic
boundaries.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and it's not just our spiritual team that
does that, it's people too.
So for me I've had to set someboundaries with like especially
in the beginning of my practice,where clients and people would
just come and I would be like,why are you all here?
So it was even in that statebecause energetically we're all
(38:39):
connected and we're doing thingswith each other and and it was
like that was not intrusive buton a you know, still a little
bit and I would have to say, no,this is not the time.
You need to come to me, you know, make a session with me and
let's work it out, not we'rejust going to mob you in the
middle of the night.
(38:59):
And so, yeah, that was a bigone for me because I was
receiving that quite a lot.
And then, definitely, the guy,my guides, coming through,
feeling the you know, thepresence of them.
You know, at times that was alittle creepy, you know, and
you'd feel like the bed shift alittle, or there was like the
bank, the blanket would kind, Idon't know, there was just
things that would happen.
(39:20):
I'm like, okay, is that?
Like, is there a ghost, aspirit in my room?
Is this my guide?
You know, there's all thatdiscernment that we have to
process and that's important toknow too is what is your
discernment?
Know that, you know you don'twe don't have to be in agreement
with everything just becausewe're having a spiritual
(39:41):
awakening.
We can say, no, this is toomuch for me right now.
But as you grow and advance,what used to be too much for you
suddenly becomes like oh yeah,that's nothing, that's easy, I
just have to set my boundaries.
I just need to speak to myguides, I just need to be more
in control of myself and myenergy, because sometimes it's
(40:02):
us, we are leaking our ownenergy and we're not honing in
our own, and so we're the onesthat are tethering out there,
like, oh, you need help, youwant this.
We become the rescuers of oh, Iknow how to do energy work, or
I understand this.
I'm going to go and awakeneverybody, but everyone is meant
to awaken at their time andpurpose, right?
(40:23):
Otherwise it would be aninstantaneous thing.
That would just happen andthere would be no process.
So it's us assisting peopleduring their awakening, but not
forcing their awakening, becausefor some people it's too much.
Like you cannot go from oh, areyou sitting in nature and just
hanging out with the grass?
(40:43):
Versus there's ETs.
You know what I mean.
Like some people just cannotgrasp that.
And then there's those that theyget.
They start having awareness ofhigher awareness, and then they
get trapped in that.
They're like, oh, my gosh,there's, there's other aliens,
there's's other, this, there'sother life out there.
It's like, yes, there is.
(41:04):
And I always just tell themyeah, there are galactic
brothers and sisters.
Now are there shadow and light,absolutely, you know.
But the majority of peoplearen't being necessarily chased
around by the negative they're.
They just feel like thatbecause they've never tuned into
the energy of what it feelslike to have their benevolence
(41:24):
coming forward or having lovingancestors coming forward, or
feeling the elements of the youknow different elements all
around them, and so when theystart tuning in, it's like
people are really.
It's that awareness of self,and that's what's really
important is knowing who you areand having that self-awareness
so that you can feel more incontrol of what's going on and
(41:48):
not just like it's running youover.
And now you're feeling reallylike, like we're talking about
that, that sense of psychosis,right, and that's what we're
here to do is to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
And I and I think that's true, like I think there
are some people who, when theystart their spiritual awakening
and they there really arenewbies that it feels really
dark and really heavy.
And I think that's becauseculturally we have so much of it
, like the horror movies, the,the, the ghosts, the paranormal
seekers it all has this darkerundertone, and so there's a lot
(42:25):
of people out there that thinkthat the spiritual world is a
dark and heavy place, whenthat's just the dark side and
there's so much light.
And so as we enter into thisspiritual scene, it's focusing
in on what you want toexperience, because the darkness
is out there.
If you want to go find it, youwill find it, and if you want to
(42:46):
seek out the light, you willfind it as well.
And so it's knowing what you'reavailable for and what you're
not.
And I've definitely worked withpeople where it's much more dark
than light in the beginning,and when that is happening, I'm,
I'm please seek out support,please seek out a light worker
that's going to help you findthat that path of transmutation
(43:08):
of, because oftentimes thosedarkness is also a reflection of
your own childhood wounds andreligious wounds and everything
from our past and including ourpast lives, that is coming to
the surface, to uh, in a way itmight be very frightening and in
that frightening, um, it canfeel like things are out of
(43:30):
control.
Things can feel like, um, youdon't know what's happening or
why it's happening.
And seeking out and reallytrusting that you do have
helpers out there in thephysical and in the spiritual,
and trusting your intuitionthat's going to lead you to the
right person.
And I've had lots of clientslike that too, where it's just
(43:51):
everything is dark.
It's very scary for them andthey found me.
And by finding me, I was ableto help them find that level of
control and to start shift theirenergy of looking for the light
, looking for the positivity,looking for the places and
spaces in which that expansionenergy can show up, rather than
(44:14):
feeling like they're in a darkhole of scary things happening
to themselves.
Right, and so it can be aprocess and there are so many
healers out there that can helpwith the process.
So if there's ever a time ofoverwhelm of this is too much.
This is why going in naturelike closing your crown chakra
(44:37):
and when we say that, it's likeenvisioning your crown chakra
like a dandelion flower Duringthe day it's like envisioning
your crown chakra like adandelion flower During the day
it's nice, wide open, and atnight it closes up and then you
can just imagine one goldenthread moving from your crown
chakra all the way up to sourcecreator energy and in that way
you're feeling still tethered tothat intuition, but you're not
(44:58):
energetically open to all of thethings.
Seeing all of the things is abit much.
It's a bit much for me.
You know, like I don't want tosee all of the things.
Like I know there's, it's outthere, and if I wanted to I
could.
But like why?
For what purpose?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, exactly.
And yeah, exactly Because thereis, there's purpose in it at
some points.
But then, beyond that, itreally is like don't you just
want to be human too, don't you?
You know, at some point we justwant to be like I just want to
go enjoy my day and not feelbombarded by everything
(45:34):
spiritual that's going on, oreven that our terminology, even
though it is the language inwhich we adapt to sometimes even
that can be too much.
You know, when we're justtrying to have a regular day and
it is so it is, what is analignment for you?
What is it that you want toconnect to?
And so, when you understandthat you kind of have your
(45:57):
outline of the things that youwant to really attach to that
you not attach but you want toconnect with.
Okay, what do you want toconnect with?
How do you want your day to be?
Setting your intentions in themorning, having some level of
ritual in the morning that'sgoing to set your day right, the
energy for your day.
That is so important.
And I find for myself thatsomething like I do that every
(46:18):
morning, every morning, when Icome in, I'm like giving thanks
that I'm here.
I do the call in of myselfbecause I've been out doing work
and then I come home to my bodyRight, and then and it's
literally like that quick it'snot like I have to lay there for
an hour, it's just moments butthen I start receiving the
(46:39):
downloads of what I'm meant tolearn about and then once I get,
like, say, on my phone orsomething, and I scroll through
just like seconds, there will besomething I'll hear that
connects to that download.
Then when I take a shower, thenit's like so it's or I'll, I'll
sit in with intention toreceive that download.
So it really is for us torecognize like what am I
(47:02):
available to, how open am I?
And if it's not feeling good, Ihave the power to say enough, I
have the power to say let'sdial this down just a little bit
.
So it's, you know, smudgingyourself.
It's lighting candles, it'sbeing intentional, it's
journaling.
If that's what you're called todo, it's going for a walk in
nature.
If that's what you're called todo, it's going for a walk in
nature, it's kicking off yourshoes and literally walking on
(47:24):
the dirt in the grass, hugging atree.
You know, there's a lot ofthings that we can do, and it
may seem cliche, because a lotof people are saying like, oh,
hug a tree.
But it literally is like sofreaking powerful, like go hug a
tree and and give it away.
And you know, like, offerwhatever your burdens are to the
(47:45):
tree and allow it to go intothe roots of the tree and into
the earth, and do it becausethen you feel lighter.
We have all these tools aroundus that you know.
It's amazing to me how manypeople don't look up, they don't
see what's around and theydon't notice what's around them.
Right, we're just so busy thatwe're just go, go, go, go, go.
(48:06):
And then when you actually stopand take a breath and just tune
into your breath, tune intoyour physical self and notice
what's around you, it's abeautiful world, but we get so
indoctrined and so like focusedon what's happening collectively
, like you know, and we're noteven focused on our personal
life.
Or it's like what's going on inthe world?
(48:27):
Well, I don't know.
What's going on in your world.
What's happening in your world?
What gratitude can you have foryour world?
And your gratitude, your love,your appreciation for what you
have going on will ripple outinto the world and that is, as
lightworkers.
How we change the world is bychanging ours, and then we
(48:48):
become that beacon of light thatripples out that frequency,
that energy that others start totap into, and it will have a
profound effect on others aroundyou, which then they go into
their community and their homesand they start doing the work.
And so if it starts with us, itwill ripple out and the world
will change as a whole.
But if we are in this greatawakening, we are realizing that
(49:11):
the veil is being lifted, we'restepping out of that spiritual
amnesia and saying here we are,we're rising up as humans in our
soul, body, coming forward.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Absolutely, yeah, I love it.
I think that is a beautifulplace to recognize and that it
really does come down to ourfree will intent, and this is
why we will say again and again,again having your own self-care
practices and rituals andreally recognizing what is your
(49:44):
energy, what is stuff that iscoming from your past, what is
things that you want to call infor your future, is so important
, and so we are here to supportyou, we're here to love on you,
we're here to guide you in thelight, and so, with that, may
the whispers of wisdom rise fromwithin.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
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Speaker 2 (04:17):
Today we are talking on spiritual awakenings no,
you're not crazy and how toreally tell what the signs of
awakening are and really knowingwhat the difference is between,
let's say, spiritual psychosisand signs of awakening, and what
that looks like as you progresson your spiritual journey.
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Because it can be a rudeawakening for many of us who are
coming into this awakeningphase of our life to go whoa,
whoa, whoa.
Is this normal or is this notso?
Welcome to the show.
I'm joined with Chantel Ochoa,who is going to be joining in
the conversation, and I'm reallyexcited to really dive in,
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because I feel like we get thisquestion a lot.
We get this question a lot inour Facebook group, our Shamanic
Mystics, Moon Rising group, aswell as from our students of
like.
How do I know?
How do I know I'm not justgoing crazy, Right?
So, Chantel, why don't you kickus off this morning?
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How do we want to begin todescribe the signs of awakening?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So I do think I agree with you.
This is a huge topic becausewhen you are in the quote
unquote 3d reality of life andyou just are going through life,
you're working, you got yourfamily, you're doing all the
things that we're expected to dothroughout our society and our
norms and everything and thensuddenly something happens, and
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a lot of times it's eitherthere's it's forced through like
a trauma or an illness or abreakup, there's some heartache,
there's some like emotionaldistress or physical distress.
That happens where suddenlyyou're like whoa wait, what's
going on?
What is this new energy or newunderstanding that I'm having?
And so it isn't.
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At the beginning it can feellike it is like a little bit of
craziness and psychosis, becausesuddenly you're feeling
energies, you're hearing things,you're seeing things, you're
aware of stuff that you didn'tknow yesterday, kind of thing,
and so with it, it's knowingthat we can go and do this work
and walk the walk of anawakening and still be very
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normal, because it's reallywhere we are.
So one of the things that we dois we go into isolation, we
start to pull back, we start toreprieve, we start to isolate
ourselves because we're nolonger in alignment with what's
going on around us.
We're not tapping into the sameconversations, we're not
tapping into the relationshipsthat we have.
There's just this disconnectfrom ourselves and others, and
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so isolation is a huge thing.
That starts to happen for usand with that it's like are you
depressed?
Are you feeling like you have alot of anxiety?
Are you feeling like you'rejust not a part of the social
norm anymore?
And really what it is is we'regoing in and it's like an
opportunity for thatself-reflection and
introspection.
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And our body is changingbecause our frequency is
changing, so we're actuallyevolving into a higher
consciousness of awareness andthat crystalline body, our DNA,
is shifting.
We're changing on a physical,we're changing on a spiritual
and all of these aspects ofourself are starting to shift.
Our mind, our thoughts, ourprocesses, everything starts to
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shift.
But if you're not communicatingwith the right kind of people
that understand, likelike-minded people that have
gone through it, it absolutelycan seem like you're going
through some level of psychosis.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Right, and there's that isolation, like you're
purposefully, maybe unknown,purposefully self-isolating, and
then you're in your thoughts oflike is this normal?
Is this not normal, how?
What is going on?
And that that, that phase ofisolation is really interesting
in the fact that oftentimes, aswe are kind of vibing higher, if
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you will, the people who arenot on the same wavelength are
going to stop.
You don't resonate with themanymore.
It's easier to say no, I don'twant to go out to the bar.
No, I don't want to go out todo X, y and Z, because it's not
no longer an alignment for you.
And so you're having thesesocial changes and it brings
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about this isolation.
I don't know how many timeswe've had students go.
I'm just alone.
I'm joining the program becauseI need to find my community and
feel like I'm in a group oflike-minded people who are going
through the same thing as I amand that's the main purpose of
them joining the moon risingshamanic Institute and our soul
rising program.
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Right, and I'm like, yeah,absolutely.
I would say that's like themajority of our students are.
They're in it in that way andit does take a shift.
I remember I remember my own.
There was one point in my lifeI was like I don't have any
friends.
I don't, I no longer haveanyone I can connect with or
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relate to.
Like there are no more highschool friends, like that's just
a waste of time.
There's the um, uh, there's noone in my community that I I
could connect with.
Like they don't understandwhat's going on with me and
really asking source God creator.
Like bring me my people right.
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Like I can't do this alone.
Like I need someone who willactually understand me.
And it was so funny becausesometimes when we ask we really
do receive.
Like I'm ready for the shift,bring in the people.
And I remember going from likehaving this sense of like I have
no one to.
I had one of my friends call meup and be like let's create a
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women's group, let's create awomen's circle, and and only
like only those who are likehighly spiritually gifted are
like going to be in our women'scircle.
And so we came up with a listand we did.
Within a week we had a group ofsix women who then met monthly
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for years, right, and we wereall in it and it was so nice to
just be like I don't have anyfriends to.
Oh my God, I have a, I have agroup, I have a community who I
can say what sounds like batshit, crazy things, and they all
understand, they all get it Likethat.
That transition is amazing.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
That's a powerful.
And it's so powerful because,especially, I think, with women,
men too, but as women we werenurturers and we like community
right, Most women do.
We want to come together incommunity and support each other
and, do you know, work witheach other.
And when you feel like you justdon't have a tribe or community
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, a circle of women that you cancommunicate with, when your
conversation changes, it'sreally difficult.
And I know for me, I have my.
My group has become very small.
I mean, I have a lot of friendsand people that I love to work
with, like my community.
I adore them, I have an amazingcommunity here.
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But when, for my past friends, Idon't interact with any of them
anymore, I'm like I don't evenknow how to even communicate on
a level of just everyday stuff.
Or like, yeah, let's go to thebar, let's go get drunk, let's
hang out.
I'm like you know I'm good withthat here and there, but if
that's your regular every day, Idon't resonate with that Like I
used to.
I used to, you know, and therewas a part of me sometimes where
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I miss my old self because Iwas so carefree and it didn't
matter.
I'm like let's go do it and nowI'm like I don't know, not so
much reserved, but I understandthe consequences of it the next
day, the energetic consequencesof it.
You know the attachments, thelow vibration, the energies that
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are surrounding us in thoseenvironments that I wasn't aware
of years ago.
And now you go in that and youreally got to protect yourself.
You really got to bubble up anddo the things that you're not
having.
All these experiences thataren't pleasant.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah for sure, absolutely.
And so it's like as we becomemore energetically aware, and so
it's like as we become moreenergetically aware, we become a
little bit more of an energetic.
It's worthy, worth it to us tobecome energetically protective.
Yes, and that's why thatisolation tends to happen.
It's to really evaluate where'syour energy safe and where are
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you going to be accepted andwhere where's the?
You know it's like going thecaterpillar, creating that
cocoon, going into thatcrystallist phase, turning the
mush and staying there for a hotminute, like sometimes that
mushy, mushy phase takes a whileto really under, like,
reorganize your energy,reorganize your lifestyle,
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reorganize how you want topresent yourself to the world.
And so that isolation and thatcocoon, when you become that
crystallist mush phase, you willeventually come out as a
butterfly.
But know that, like it's allfor reason and purpose.
And as you're in there, whathappens in our regular everyday
life is things like food mightbe different, you know, your
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sensitivities to food might bedifferent.
All of a sudden you're you're.
You can't tolerate alcohol, oryou can't tolerate processed
foods, or if you do, you feellike crap afterwards.
And then then it's like well,now I need to figure out how to
detox, because clearly there'ssomething I'm I'm getting um,
getting heavy with right, likeit doesn't align with me anymore
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.
So you're finding all theplaces and spaces that are now
out of alignment.
All of a sudden, your food, yourcompany, your uh, your work,
like I don't know how many timeswe have people who are, who
come in to moon rising, whereit's like, yeah, my job is
sucking my soul, you know, likeit's no longer like I used to
love this, this used to be mypassion.
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I just cannot stand being inthe company of these people
anymore.
I can't handle the water coolerconversations, like all of the
superficiality of quote unquote.
Normal life is too much right.
Like it's just not.
It feels dull, it feels heavy,right, and so, as you are
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recognizing, wow, my energy isshifting.
How can I honor myself?
And then, all of a sudden, it'slike I'm worthy of eating
organic, I'm worthy to noticewhat foods make me feel not good
and choose differently.
Like I'm worthy to to makelifestyle changes, I'm worthy to
get up and take time for myself.
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I'm worthy to do the self-carework, I'm worthy to meditate,
I'm worthy to whatever it is.
All of a sudden, the peoplearound you are like, oh my gosh,
she used to like give and giveand give and just was a people
pleaser, and now all of a sudden, the people around you are like
oh my gosh, she used to likegive and give and give and just
was a people pleaser, and nowall of a sudden she's doing
self-care.
How rude.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
How rude, how rude of you to take care of you.
I love that with the honoring,though, because it's really what
it is, cause when you're, youknow they, they have.
It's what is like a spiritualsnob, you know, vibrational snob
, and that's not what this isabout.
It's just truly honoringyourself and recognizing where
you are versus where theenvironment you used to hang out
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in, right, or the people orwhatever.
Like you said, the water coolerconversation.
That can be very basicconversation.
People aren't talking about thestuff we're talking about, and
you know and I don't really comeacross anyone that doesn't
understand or know a little bitabout what I do but I did just
meet a woman the other day andshe was a full virgin.
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She knew nothing.
I was like wow, and it feltlike like that's like a dinosaur
, like I found something unique,you know.
And then her mind was so blownby the end of our session
because she's like dinosaur,like I found something unique,
you know.
And then her mind was so blownby the end of our session
because she's like I didn't evenknow any of this existed.
And I'm like, yeah, and yethere you are sitting in a Reiki
master's room ready for ahealing because none of the
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systems out there work for her.
The medical system failed her,the dietary system failed her,
everything started failing herand she became sicker and sicker
, and sicker until she was likeI need to come here, right, and
she was brought to me.
But I loved how open she becameand I'm like, there it is, the
seeds are being planted right,like we're being cracked open as
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human beings to have thishigher conscious awareness.
And at first it might be scary,and at first it might be scary
and at first our people don'tunderstand.
And we are changing the way weeat and we are changing the way
we think.
And you know, we're just oursenses change, we become really
heightened in our senses, notjust our physical senses but our
spiritual senses.
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So suddenly you are seeingthings, you're hearing things,
you're feeling things like howmany of you that are listening
to us have heard a word comethrough your name, something,
and you're like who's there?
What's that?
Right?
I mean it's a moment of likeyou're searching around your
house, like, is somebody in myhouse?
I have woken up and I'll hearmy name and my husband's at work
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and I'm like, oh, my gosh,who's here?
And then I oh yeah, okay, it'sjust like my spirit team talking
to me or whatever.
But there is.
There are these levels of thingsthat are happening for us, when
you can feel the prickles ofenergy moving up your spine and
into your crown.
And you know and if you watchus, I know for me I feel energy
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so much.
I'm always like, I'm alwaystwitching in some way because
I'm like itching it away.
I'm like my gosh, it's a lot,but we don't talk about that.
So here we are this is theconversation to say, hey, it's
okay if you're feeling all ofthe senses increase and you're
seeing beyond the veil, you'rehearing beyond the veil and that
means that we're just, you'reraising that vibration to match
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with the frequencies of theuniverse.
That is allowing you to reallytune in to your higher self.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, totally.
And so know that, like I feellike when this transformation is
happening, it's like yourspectrum of awareness expands,
so like, like, it's just kind oflike how we're only supposed to
see so many colors and there's,here's the spectrum, but we
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know that there's infrared andthere's all this, it goes way
out.
It feels a bit like that whereyou're just stretching the
capacity in which your sensoryavailable to, so then you are
feeling into the energy ofpeople, like you know, like
there's I think that's one of areally common one too is that
you can feel when something'soff in a room.
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You can feel when someone's hada bad day, even though they
haven't said anything.
You can just start sensingenergy and it becomes really
heightened, where oftentimesyou're once again self-isolating
because you're like I don'tknow what to do with that.
I don't know what to do withthe feeling of feeling someone
else's energy.
Or if you start seeing thingsand, like now when you walk
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through the woods, you're likeyou're seeing the aura of the
trees or feeling into their,what they're having to say to
you or whatever it may be, it'slike everything becomes a lot
more heightened, and soisolation is a way to really
return to yourself and go thisis, this is my energy, this is
my energy, and that it can beshocking in the beginning to go
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how do I cope with this?
How do I learn them from this?
And I think this is why you, alot of people, turn to books and
YouTube and podcasts andcourses and trying to find
answers.
That's when it's in thatisolation of all these things,
waking up, this heightenedawareness of how can I make
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sense of it, and maybe they doend up in a Reiki session for
the first time and they don'tknow anything, right, like
they'll start seeking outanswers to explain that they're
not crazy, right?
The other, the other thing thatI think happens is that people
do think that they're crazy andthat they're going, they're,
they're losing it, right, and sothey go to the doctors, they go
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to a therapist and they try tofigure, figure it out from a
Western point of view, of whythis is happening.
And yeah, there's a lot of drugsout there from the Western side
that can tap all of it down, sothat you can quote, unquote
like stay in the matrix, like,right, like they're like that's
an option and people do takethat because it's too it.
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It freaks them out too much orthey're becoming too sensitive
that they're not really sure howto adjust.
And, um, and I think that's whythere's for every person out
there who is beginning to wakeup, there are, like it feels
like there's 10 light workersready for them to, to take them
under their wing, like I feellike there is so many healers
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and light workers and Reikihealers and shamanic
practitioners and all of thethings that are ready to help
guide and mentor these newlyawakened souls here on earth.
Because this is the time, we'rein, the time of the spiritual
awakening, and and so the worldis flooded with resources.
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I mean, you can't go to YouTubeand look up what does it mean
when I hear buzzing from aspiritual perspective and not
get thousands upon thousands ofvideos and answers?
Like the information is outthere, and I think that's why so
many recognize this isn't aWest, this isn't a problem that
I need to fix with a Westernsolution.
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Right, like they know thatgoing to a therapist or going to
the doctors isn't going tonecessarily give them the
answers that they seek.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
And I mean, of course we're not saying don't go to
anything like the doctors andtherapists and stuff.
Do what you need to do withinyour, your scope of
understanding where you are, butknow, if you are meeting your
professionals and they are notanswering the questions, they
you intuitively, are comingforward within going no, this is
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not that I don't need themedication.
No, I'm not crazy.
No, this isn't happening.
No, there's a whole other sideto your health and your mental
wellness and that is going tocome into energy work, holistic
medicine, all of that, becausethat is a whole nother like
highly functional, functionaldoctors, everything that can
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really help and assist us.
And so, knowing that, whenwe're receiving those intuitive
nudges, when we're receiving thedownloads and messages that
were maybe in the beginning kindof bypassing, tune into those
because that's your inner voicespeaking to you, that's your
inner voice that's leading youand guiding you and telling you
hey, you know what?
Go over there, there's so manylike students that I have and
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they're like I woke up and Ijust heard Reiki, like they're
being spoken to, and then theygo on the search of what the
heck is that right?
And then they find themselvesin doing energy work and now
they're, you know, in level twosand they're, they're practicing
and they're trying to get there, they're working on their own
skillset.
And it's just amazing towitness it on this side of it,
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knowing where I've been, youknow, because there was a time
in my life where, well, I'venever been like asleep, but I've
been.
We have layers of awakenings,okay, and this is not a linear
journey.
It's not like you're going togo from isolation to this to
that.
No, that's not how it works.
It really is a cycle that we gothrough and so when you're
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going through isolation, youmight have many, many times of
isolation throughout yourjourney for the rest of your
life.
And I find what happens with meI just actually started coming.
I'm coming out of one right now, and it's not so much that I've
isolated, but what happens ismy um, my focus shifts on other
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things that I'm creating andthen, like the clients start, um
, not slowing down, but Irealize certain things are
shifting and then, all of asudden, it booms again because I
have to put my energy over.
And once I recognize it, I'mlike, oh, okay, I see what's
happening.
It's like being that rubberband being pulled back, you know
, and I'm getting ready to shootoff again.
And now that I know it, it'sexciting.
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So I can be in isolation and belike you know what.
I'm going to take this time tomyself right now and I'm going
to do some help.
You know, some personal healingand personal work, and I'm
going to go and work with thosethat I'm aligned with.
And you know, do all of thisLike I just brought a sound bed
into my practice.
It's a freaking amazing and, um, it was a process of which I
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bought one and kind of gotburned on that company and
working with that, but we builtone and it is amazing.
And so these are just ideasthat have been coming to me like
do this, bring that in.
So now I can reiki you on asound bed.
But the experience of how weallow ourself to grow and evolve
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through our transformation isjust so powerful.
Whether you're walking awayfrom the job you've had forever
the career into somethingdifferent that's more in
alignment with you, or you'recreating a new community of
people, this is really.
It's because you're steppinginto your true, authentic self.
You're releasing theconditionings that you were
taught from childhood and sayingyou know what I don't believe
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in, that I don't feel like that.
Like how many people say youknow, I sat in church for many
years and I could never reallyresonate with it, or there was a
resonation, but then like theyresonated, but at some point it
no longer did Right, and it'sjust this growth process, and
it's not that anything isnegative or positive more so
than the other, it's just you'regrowing and evolving into a new
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version of yourself.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, exactly, and I'm really I want to also bring
into this conversation like whenis it too fast, when is it
actually like ride that line ofpsychosis or spiritual psychosis
, and you're you have too manydoors open in your spiritual
space where things are coming intoo fast and what do you do
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about that?
Because I think people who aregoing to listen to this episode
is real, are going to be thepeople who might be writing that
line Like, yeah, spiritualawakening, a lot of people are
experiencing it.
Nice, gentle, easy, we got ourtimeout spots a lot of
frustration, a lot of tears,maybe a dark night of the soul.
And then we have those that arereally like it's.
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It's like, uh, almost like astripping away of everything
that you've ever known, and it'shappening really really fast.
And those are the people that II I do tend to work with,
people who are kind of ridingthat line of like do we need to
have some type of intervention,some type of medical
intervention, something whereit's like this is outside the
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scope of quote, unquote, normalspiritual awakening.
And I'm curious, chantel, haveyou had clients like that?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, yeah, and having to work with them and
giving them tips on things youknow, practice rituals that they
can do, and I'll go sit outsidewith them, we'll sit on the
dirt, we'll sit under a tree,we'll go hug trees.
I take because I facilitate agrief group and they're right
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there, you know, but theirs isbeing the catalyst, is the is
grief.
You know, they lost someonedear to them and so we'll go
walk around the property and, um, take in nature.
And it's interesting because atfirst they're just like we're
what?
And I'm like, yeah, we're goingto go and sit on the dirt and
we're going to connect with theearth.
One of the things I really, um,I'm all about calling our name
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back, and when I first learnedthis it was from my
mother-in-law and I thoughtyou're freaking crazy, what are
you talking about?
But it's really so powerfulbecause if you understand that
when we are feeling like there'sa leakage, or we travel or we
journey, or we've been like insociety too much right, we're
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around too many people you callyour name and it's I am, and you
state your full name and you doit in power and you do it in
strength, and you call your namethree times and literally it
calls back all the fragments ofyourself, it pulls your energy
back in.
And then you state that I callall my energy back and I do it
through all timeline, space anddimensions because of you know
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we're multi-universe, likebeings and parallel universes
and stuff.
So I know that when we do thatit is so powerful and grounding
it's like an instantaneous thing.
So if you've traveled, there'senergy that has that's, you know
, still traveling to you.
You know like our soul is likethree days ahead of us, our
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physical is in traveling, ourenergy is trailing behind us.
We have to condense that andwith that is literally calling
your name back.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I love that practice too.
I think it can be really potentwhen you feel spaced out, when
you feel fragmented, when youfeel like you're really
ungrounded because yourspiritual side, your crown
chakra, is so wide open right,it's a way to like bring your
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body, mind and spirit into onetime and space.
Right, and I think that's areally good point of that's kind
of what it feels like when it'sit's gone a little too far, a
little too fast, is that youfeel really ungrounded.
You feel like your crown chakrais really open, your third eye
is really open.
You might have tingling there,you might be getting
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experiencing headaches, youmight not be sleeping well.
The, the nightmares might bereally activated.
And it's how do you startclaiming your space of what
you're available for and whatyou're not?
I find a lot of people who areundergoing a very fast
transition.
They're not really sure how tocreate energetic boundaries for
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this process and claiming likeI'm not available for us to see
X, y and Z, I'm not available tosee negative entities or ghosts
or whatever it may be like, howto actually say I'm not okay
with this.
This is my free will, choice,I'm not open and available and
putting a stake in it.
And there most I would say mostpeople who are undergoing this
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transition very quickly don'tknow that they have free will.
They don't understand thatprocess of sovereignty, of like
you can actually put the brakeson and you can control this.
And I think that's why it is soeffective to bring people
outside and get connected withnature, because it's once again
you're here, you're right now.
This is this feel your senses,feel your body.
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This is what's happening right,and it's interesting when we
start encouraging that practiceof coming back to yourself,
coming back to your body, comeback to your senses, because
your sensory and the physical isgoing to help ground you Right.
And so it's the recognizingthat you do have some control
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and that it doesn't have to bethis complete free for all of
all of the things spiritual,like you.
I like to explain to my studentswho are doing, who are going
through this like, imagine it aslike a barometer, like, right,
we, we can set the temperatureof our house.
Why not set the scale on whichyou're open and available for?
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So maybe, maybe, when you go tothe grocery store, you want to
be at 10% open, so that you haveenough to feel intuitional
nudges but you're not gettingbombarded with everyone else's
emotions and their thoughtprocesses.
And you know seeing spiritswalk through the aisles of the
grocery store, right, likethere's a way of going.
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I'm not available for that.
And then there's other timesthat let's say you're meditating
and you're learning how to setintentions.
Okay, I'm going to set myintention for this time to be
open to a healing helper who'sgoing to be my spirit guide and
help me in this process.
Like, just knowing to ask.
Like I want a spiritualindividual who has my higher
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self knowingness that I want.
I want someone.
I need somebody, right, and tocall upon them.
And I think there's a lot areason why a lot of people turn
to their religious figures, toJesus, to Mary, to because
they're familiar and they can dothat job as well.
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Right, like I don't have any umthat that it just because
religion has this heavyundertone for a lot of us
doesn't mean the religiousfigures are actually that way.
Right, like a lot of these areascended masters and they would
love to come and support youthrough your spiritual journey.
Right, and so knowing that youcan call on a higher source to
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support you, to protect you, ishuge.
To call on your angels to toask for them to protect you and
guide you through the process,and then that is that's when I
see things really starting toshift, of going.
You do have spiritual help onthis side.
In the physical, you can find amentor, you can find a teacher,
and on the spiritual, you havementors, you have teachers, you
(33:46):
have guides.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I think it's so important for our listeners to
to visit that aspect of beingable to dial in how much energy
and awareness you want to havein a moment.
And I think because in thebeginning we don't think, we
don't know that we have thatfree will to ask of that or that
it's even possible to say, hey,I need this dial down because
(34:12):
it is too much.
If you're a dreamer and you arejust being bombarded all night
long and you're traveling, weall travel, okay, we're all
traveling at night.
But when they're really lucidand really really vivid and
you're traveling, we all travel,okay, we're all traveling at
night.
But when they're really lucidand really really vivid and
you're working all day and thenyou go to sleep and you're
working all night, you need totell your guides, hey and my ear
is ringing on that one Tellyour guides, hey, I can only do
(34:32):
this for a period of timetonight.
That's it.
I'm only available for thisshort period of time.
Give me my messages quickly,because our body needs to rest,
our mind needs to rest, we needto have this shut down and we're
out there working 24, seven,spiritually and physically.
So, yes, dial it down when youfeel that the other thing is
(34:54):
closing your crown.
Just closing it like that willreally bring in, as Christine's
talking, like if you're feelingloud here, bring it in, and that
way your mind can really startto rest.
And I know you're laughingbecause you're a traveler big
time at night.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Well, you know, that's a funny thing.
So, yeah, I am giggling overhere because my crown typically
is like a giant satellite dish.
It's full open, right.
And my dreams are interestingin the fact I don't think I have
very many spiritual dreams thatwhat they will do is just
freaking wake me up.
And so what they would dobefore I had control over all of
this is that they would wake meup at two in the morning and
(35:32):
talk to me for hours, for hours.
They would just literally wakeme up and I'd be downloading for
hours.
They would tell me exactly whatI needed to do and how I needed
to do it, and they would justgive me so much information, and
to the point where I wouldmaybe be getting two to four
hours of sleep every night, andthen I wasn't functional to
implement all the things thatthey were telling me to do.
(35:54):
Right Like, I was so exhausted.
I was so exhausted and, yeah,my crown chakra was wide open
and so I wasn't necessarilytraveling through the cosmos by
any means.
They were just waking me up andthen giving me my downloads,
and I finally got to a point ofgoing okay, this can't happen
anymore.
Right Like, you have to come tothat place of here's my
spiritual boundaries, here's myenergetic boundaries.
(36:16):
I am not available for you towake me up every night at 2 AMm.
Not, okay, I'm not down withthis.
I need a better solution, andyou know, the solution was like
well, fine, if you want us tostop waking you up in the middle
of the night, then you need toactually make time for us during
the day, and that was somethingduring my spiritual awakening
process.
I resisted, I resistedmeditating, I resisted taking
(36:37):
time for self-care.
I resisted taking time forself-care, I resisted tuning in
during the daytime.
And they knew that.
That's why they woke me upevery night, because I wouldn't
listen to them otherwise.
Right, and so they were likeyou, make time for us at 2 PM in
the afternoon.
We'll give you an hour you canrest, which your body needs
anyway, take a nap and we'lldownload from 2 to 3 PM and
(36:59):
we'll stop waking you up in themiddle of the night.
Right, and so it was this.
I feel like this is how myguides are.
They'll push me into extremeuncomfortability.
I don't like the way this feels.
Until I go, fine, I'll do thething.
So I'll meditate during the day.
I'll do the practices that theywant me to do, so that they
(37:20):
have time to offer whateversupport information that they
have for me during the daytimehours, and so it.
And then, when I started doingthat, okay, I'm taking a nap at
two in the afternoon, I'm, I'mtuning in, I'm meditating, I'm
having my practice.
It was very sweet, but then it,eventually, I don't need to
(37:41):
take naps anymore.
Why?
Because in that process I havenow a morning practice and an
evening practice and you know Ihave a created space in my life
to tune in.
Like I, I offer shamanic Reikisessions and there's times when
they can come in with theirmessages.
Then, like, I'm opening upwindows of opportunity for them
(38:01):
to talk to me during the daytimein a healthy way, versus them
pushing me into an uncomfortablespace where I have to pay
attention, right, and it allcomes down to energetic
boundaries.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah, and it's not just our spiritual team that
does that, it's people too.
So for me I've had to set someboundaries with like especially
in the beginning of my practice,where clients and people would
just come and I would be like,why are you all here?
So it was even in that statebecause energetically we're all
(38:39):
connected and we're doing thingswith each other and and it was
like that was not intrusive buton a you know, still a little
bit and I would have to say, no,this is not the time.
You need to come to me, you know, make a session with me and
let's work it out, not we'rejust going to mob you in the
middle of the night.
(38:59):
And so, yeah, that was a bigone for me because I was
receiving that quite a lot.
And then, definitely, the guy,my guides, coming through,
feeling the you know, thepresence of them.
You know, at times that was alittle creepy, you know, and
you'd feel like the bed shift alittle, or there was like the
bank, the blanket would kind, Idon't know, there was just
things that would happen.
(39:20):
I'm like, okay, is that?
Like, is there a ghost, aspirit in my room?
Is this my guide?
You know, there's all thatdiscernment that we have to
process and that's important toknow too is what is your
discernment?
Know that, you know you don'twe don't have to be in agreement
with everything just becausewe're having a spiritual
(39:41):
awakening.
We can say, no, this is toomuch for me right now.
But as you grow and advance,what used to be too much for you
suddenly becomes like oh yeah,that's nothing, that's easy, I
just have to set my boundaries.
I just need to speak to myguides, I just need to be more
in control of myself and myenergy, because sometimes it's
(40:02):
us, we are leaking our ownenergy and we're not honing in
our own, and so we're the onesthat are tethering out there,
like, oh, you need help, youwant this.
We become the rescuers of oh, Iknow how to do energy work, or
I understand this.
I'm going to go and awakeneverybody, but everyone is meant
to awaken at their time andpurpose, right?
(40:23):
Otherwise it would be aninstantaneous thing.
That would just happen andthere would be no process.
So it's us assisting peopleduring their awakening, but not
forcing their awakening, becausefor some people it's too much.
Like you cannot go from oh, areyou sitting in nature and just
hanging out with the grass?
(40:43):
Versus there's ETs.
You know what I mean.
Like some people just cannotgrasp that.
And then there's those that theyget.
They start having awareness ofhigher awareness, and then they
get trapped in that.
They're like, oh, my gosh,there's, there's other aliens,
there's's other, this, there'sother life out there.
It's like, yes, there is.
(41:04):
And I always just tell themyeah, there are galactic
brothers and sisters.
Now are there shadow and light,absolutely, you know.
But the majority of peoplearen't being necessarily chased
around by the negative they're.
They just feel like thatbecause they've never tuned into
the energy of what it feelslike to have their benevolence
(41:24):
coming forward or having lovingancestors coming forward, or
feeling the elements of the youknow different elements all
around them, and so when theystart tuning in, it's like
people are really.
It's that awareness of self,and that's what's really
important is knowing who you areand having that self-awareness
so that you can feel more incontrol of what's going on and
(41:48):
not just like it's running youover.
And now you're feeling reallylike, like we're talking about
that, that sense of psychosis,right, and that's what we're
here to do is to talk about that.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
And I and I think that's true, like I think there
are some people who, when theystart their spiritual awakening
and they there really arenewbies that it feels really
dark and really heavy.
And I think that's becauseculturally we have so much of it
, like the horror movies, the,the, the ghosts, the paranormal
seekers it all has this darkerundertone, and so there's a lot
(42:25):
of people out there that thinkthat the spiritual world is a
dark and heavy place, whenthat's just the dark side and
there's so much light.
And so as we enter into thisspiritual scene, it's focusing
in on what you want toexperience, because the darkness
is out there.
If you want to go find it, youwill find it, and if you want to
(42:46):
seek out the light, you willfind it as well.
And so it's knowing what you'reavailable for and what you're
not.
And I've definitely worked withpeople where it's much more dark
than light in the beginning,and when that is happening, I'm,
I'm please seek out support,please seek out a light worker
that's going to help you findthat that path of transmutation
(43:08):
of, because oftentimes thosedarkness is also a reflection of
your own childhood wounds andreligious wounds and everything
from our past and including ourpast lives, that is coming to
the surface, to uh, in a way itmight be very frightening and in
that frightening, um, it canfeel like things are out of
(43:30):
control.
Things can feel like, um, youdon't know what's happening or
why it's happening.
And seeking out and reallytrusting that you do have
helpers out there in thephysical and in the spiritual,
and trusting your intuitionthat's going to lead you to the
right person.
And I've had lots of clientslike that too, where it's just
(43:51):
everything is dark.
It's very scary for them andthey found me.
And by finding me, I was ableto help them find that level of
control and to start shift theirenergy of looking for the light
, looking for the positivity,looking for the places and
spaces in which that expansionenergy can show up, rather than
(44:14):
feeling like they're in a darkhole of scary things happening
to themselves.
Right, and so it can be aprocess and there are so many
healers out there that can helpwith the process.
So if there's ever a time ofoverwhelm of this is too much.
This is why going in naturelike closing your crown chakra
(44:37):
and when we say that, it's likeenvisioning your crown chakra
like a dandelion flower Duringthe day it's like envisioning
your crown chakra like adandelion flower During the day
it's nice, wide open, and atnight it closes up and then you
can just imagine one goldenthread moving from your crown
chakra all the way up to sourcecreator energy and in that way
you're feeling still tethered tothat intuition, but you're not
(44:58):
energetically open to all of thethings.
Seeing all of the things is abit much.
It's a bit much for me.
You know, like I don't want tosee all of the things.
Like I know there's, it's outthere, and if I wanted to I
could.
But like why?
For what purpose?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, exactly.
And yeah, exactly Because thereis, there's purpose in it at
some points.
But then, beyond that, itreally is like don't you just
want to be human too, don't you?
You know, at some point we justwant to be like I just want to
go enjoy my day and not feelbombarded by everything
(45:34):
spiritual that's going on, oreven that our terminology, even
though it is the language inwhich we adapt to sometimes even
that can be too much.
You know, when we're justtrying to have a regular day and
it is so it is, what is analignment for you?
What is it that you want toconnect to?
And so, when you understandthat you kind of have your
(45:57):
outline of the things that youwant to really attach to that
you not attach but you want toconnect with.
Okay, what do you want toconnect with?
How do you want your day to be?
Setting your intentions in themorning, having some level of
ritual in the morning that'sgoing to set your day right, the
energy for your day.
That is so important.
And I find for myself thatsomething like I do that every
(46:18):
morning, every morning, when Icome in, I'm like giving thanks
that I'm here.
I do the call in of myselfbecause I've been out doing work
and then I come home to my bodyRight, and then and it's
literally like that quick it'snot like I have to lay there for
an hour, it's just moments butthen I start receiving the
(46:39):
downloads of what I'm meant tolearn about and then once I get,
like, say, on my phone orsomething, and I scroll through
just like seconds, there will besomething I'll hear that
connects to that download.
Then when I take a shower, thenit's like so it's or I'll, I'll
sit in with intention toreceive that download.
So it really is for us torecognize like what am I
(47:02):
available to, how open am I?
And if it's not feeling good, Ihave the power to say enough, I
have the power to say let'sdial this down just a little bit
.
So it's, you know, smudgingyourself.
It's lighting candles, it'sbeing intentional, it's
journaling.
If that's what you're called todo, it's going for a walk in
nature.
If that's what you're called todo, it's going for a walk in
nature, it's kicking off yourshoes and literally walking on
(47:24):
the dirt in the grass, hugging atree.
You know, there's a lot ofthings that we can do, and it
may seem cliche, because a lotof people are saying like, oh,
hug a tree.
But it literally is like sofreaking powerful, like go hug a
tree and and give it away.
And you know, like, offerwhatever your burdens are to the
(47:45):
tree and allow it to go intothe roots of the tree and into
the earth, and do it becausethen you feel lighter.
We have all these tools aroundus that you know.
It's amazing to me how manypeople don't look up, they don't
see what's around and theydon't notice what's around them.
Right, we're just so busy thatwe're just go, go, go, go, go.
(48:06):
And then when you actually stopand take a breath and just tune
into your breath, tune intoyour physical self and notice
what's around you, it's abeautiful world, but we get so
indoctrined and so like focusedon what's happening collectively
, like you know, and we're noteven focused on our personal
life.
Or it's like what's going on inthe world?
(48:27):
Well, I don't know.
What's going on in your world.
What's happening in your world?
What gratitude can you have foryour world?
And your gratitude, your love,your appreciation for what you
have going on will ripple outinto the world and that is, as
lightworkers.
How we change the world is bychanging ours, and then we
(48:48):
become that beacon of light thatripples out that frequency,
that energy that others start totap into, and it will have a
profound effect on others aroundyou, which then they go into
their community and their homesand they start doing the work.
And so if it starts with us, itwill ripple out and the world
will change as a whole.
But if we are in this greatawakening, we are realizing that
(49:11):
the veil is being lifted, we'restepping out of that spiritual
amnesia and saying here we are,we're rising up as humans in our
soul, body, coming forward.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Absolutely, yeah, I love it.
I think that is a beautifulplace to recognize and that it
really does come down to ourfree will intent, and this is
why we will say again and again,again having your own self-care
practices and rituals andreally recognizing what is your
(49:44):
energy, what is stuff that iscoming from your past, what is
things that you want to call infor your future, is so important
, and so we are here to supportyou, we're here to love on you,
we're here to guide you in thelight, and so, with that, may
the whispers of wisdom rise fromwithin.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
And I hope that you can join us again with us in the
future.
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until next time, may you awakento the whispers of wisdom rising
from within.
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