November 15, 2023 • 39 mins
Have you ever wondered about the person behind the music at weddings? Meet Doug Ziegler, DJ and owner of Douglas Adam Entertainment, who offers a refreshing look into the world of DJing at weddings. Doug passionately emphasizes that DJing isn’t just about the tunes, it’s a complex role that involves wedding planning, coordination, and ensuring a seamless experience for all.
Throughout the chat with Doug, we explore the DJ's role in managing wedding day stress, taking care of details that might not be immediately apparent, but can greatly enhance the wedding experience. Imagine making sure the mother of the bride has her favorite glass of red wine, or setting just the right mood with the perfect song - it's all part of the DJ's mission. Doug also highlights the value of teamwork between the couple, wedding professionals, and the DJ, reminding us of the importance of trust and the absolute necessity of hiring the right people.
As we continue our conversation, we delve into the fading tradition of the bouquet and garter tosses, discussing ways to revitalize these moments to keep the wedding fun and engaging. We tackle the subject of generational differences and how to find a sweet spot for both modern and traditional expectations. We also express the significance of considering every aspect of the guest experience - from arrival till departure. Join us in this enlightening episode as we navigate the intriguing world of weddings, DJs, and creating unforgettable experiences with Your Dream Day Podcast host Kathy Piech-Lukas, wedding planner with Your Dream Day.
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Kathy Piech-Lukas (00:00):
We are making our own story as we go, as we
go, as we go, hopin' we arehopin' that we'll go.
So we're ever after, ever after.
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We're gonna be doing a lot ofwork on our channel.
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We would love to you know, getto know you and also introduce
you to different weddingprofessionals from all over
greater Cincinnati, dayton andall over the country.
Doug Ziegler (00:51):
Huge shout out to.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (00:51):
Dahlia Vintodrenel for providing the
set today, and we really, reallyare excited because we have a
treat here today.
So this is Doug Zeigler.
Doug Zeigler is the DJ withDouglas Adam Entertainment but
he's more than just a.
Dj, he's also a speaker.
You're more than just a DJ, youare, you're a speaker.
(01:12):
You're actually an actor backin the day too.
Doug Ziegler (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm Jack of all, master of none
except ceremonies.
Bam, that was good.
I'm a Jackie of all trades, soyou could be the Jack of all
trades.
There you go.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (01:26):
So, before we went on, we were talking a
little bit about one thing thata lot of people forget, that DJ
does, and it's actually the mostimportant job that you have and
what is that?
Doug Ziegler (01:38):
Yeah, well, it's funny, I always tell people I
call myself DJ because that'sthe category that most
identifies me.
But that's the DJ aspect ofwhat I do, which is the music
part, as important as is that'salmost the least important thing
that I do.
I play music.
I make it sound great, beatmatch, all that fun stuff, but
for me, planning and running theevent, that is my passion.
(02:01):
I always joke.
Half of my weddings havewedding planners, the other half
have me, because I take it verypersonally making sure that the
night flows, everything issmooth, smooth transitions, no
awkward pauses, no staccato and,as the MC, that's a vital part
of what we do and that's almostsecondary in couples minds when
(02:26):
they're thinking about a DJ, andI almost take it as my mission
to educate them on the fact thatwe are so much more than just
pushing a button and press andplay, because I remember when
iPods were first coming out wewere all worried okay, our jobs
are disappearing.
And then we realized, oh yeah,we do more than just.
(02:49):
If anything, it showed that youguys do have a job, and a very
important one of that, yeah, Imean, for me it's just, it's fun
and that everything making surethat everything is smooth,
making sure that the night runsthe way their vision was, the
way our vision was when we cametogether and throw a few
surprises in there as well,that's what I love to do and
(03:13):
yeah, I like playing music aswell.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (03:15):
Yeah, well, like from a planner's
perspective, especially since,you know, half of your weddings
tend to have a planner.
We are spoiled when we have DJslike you.
I mean and I'm not saying thatto make your head, you know,
turn red or anything like that.
Doug Ziegler (03:27):
No, I get it.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (03:28):
But it's true because, like so much of our
job is behind the scenes andmaking sure that the schedule
stays on track.
But when dinner time comesaround, I can pass that baton
and feel confident.
Doug Ziegler (03:42):
Let us take over.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (03:43):
Exactly, and I let you know.
And there's some planners andplanners I'm saying this to you
out there, there are someplanners who will tell a DJ how
to do our job, and that is thatis one of my personal biggest
pet peeves.
Doug Ziegler (03:54):
Same here.
I never, I always.
I always tell my couples.
I'm not going to tell aphotographer how to take
pictures.
I'm not going to tell a catererhow to cook their food.
I'm just going to make surethat everything is done the way
it's supposed to.
I don't want missed moments.
I'm not going to, you know, I'mnot going to call a toast if
the photographer is not set, ifthey're not happy with the way
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that it's staged.
I'm going to make sure allthose moments happen, but
they're never waiting around forit.
I always kind of say it.
Years ago, a couple called me aduck on a pond.
You know, on the surface niceand smooth, but underneath my
legs are flapping around likecrazy.
That's how I existed.
A wedding, I'm the Wizard of Oz.
You're not going to see behindthe curtain, but everything's
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just going to happen, you know.
And yet working with the rightvendors is so vital.
That's why one of my firstquestions, or one of the first
things that people fill out onmy app, is it's a list of the
vendors, it's a list of thingsthat they've seen in the past,
list of things that they don'twant, but, most importantly,
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that list of vendors, when I gothrough that.
If it's people that I've workedwith before and had positive
experiences, I know what my dayis going to be like.
I know that it's going to besmooth.
If it's people that I've neverheard of or people that I've
that I know that aren't 100%, Iknow that there's going to be
more of a conversationthroughout the event, because
(05:18):
the chemistry between thevendors is almost as important
as the chemistry between thevendor and client.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (05:23):
Oh, absolutely, and I think you know
, when you hire a vendor to do ajob, you have to trust that
they're going to perform thatjob, because they're being paid
to do that job.
And they're obligated to dothat job.
Doug Ziegler (05:34):
Yeah, I always say hire the right people, I'm not
going to tell them how to shootpictures.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (05:39):
I'm a phone photographer.
Yes, we're shooting this on myphone.
Okay, I am never, ever, evergoing to be as amazing as Daniel
Michael, no matter how hard Itry.
And then I don't want to beDaniel Michael.
Doug Ziegler (05:49):
Don't get me wrong , If you know, being coming from
my background with performingand improv, like I've talked
about in the past, my wholeworld is observation, is paying
attention to what's going on.
So, yeah, if I'm noticingthings, like again, I, I, I
comment it with a planner's eye,even though that's not my main
job set something like a cakecutting moment.
(06:10):
Well, is the knife and serverutensil there?
Okay, are there plates andnapkins?
Are there forks as an option?
Little details that noteverybody thinks about.
And then if I'm bringing thecouple up, is a photographer
comfortable giving thoseinstructions?
I'll step back because I alwayskind of see that as their role.
(06:31):
But if they don't jump into it,I'll jump in and I'll say, okay
, hold hands, you guys are gonnacut, cut server, put it on a
plate, cut it in half, two forks, you know no smashing, and kind
of go from there.
And photographers appreciatethat, but I'm not gonna step on
their toes if that's their path.
Same thing with a planner or acaterer, One of the things I
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love to do.
I pick this up from a venue andI always thought it was a
beautiful gesture.
If it's a buffet, I never let abride serve herself.
I never let a bride servethemselves because I don't want
to accidentally get something onthe dress.
So I'll grab the plate and I'llwalk in front of them and they
tell me what they want and I putit on the plate and I bring it
back to their table and theylove it.
It's a nice gesture, but thereare venues that do that, there
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are planners that do that.
I look at myself as the lastrecourse for that.
I want to make sure that itgets done.
So if I don't see somebody elsedoing it, I'm gonna step up.
You know, and it's again.
It's that seamlessness, it'smaking sure that everything is
being done the way it should bedone.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (07:34):
And brides appreciate that more than you
know, because you know.
One thing that I tell the brideis your dress is a person on
the wedding day.
It really is it needs to gothrough a door, it needs to be
plumped and fixed, it takes upan extra seat in the limousine
and it goes through hairstylechanges with bustling it does.
Doug Ziegler (07:55):
It absolutely has a life and personality of its
own throughout the event.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (08:00):
The time the bride puts it on and starts
swishing it in the dress shoptrying to get her dinner.
Doug Ziegler (08:06):
Yeah, 100%.
I remember one wedding.
It was a New Year's Eve.
It was Hilton.
There you go.
Happy birthday on New Year'sEve, hilton, netherlands,
holland, mirror's absolutelygorgeous pinnacle New Year's Eve
wedding.
And there was a.
We had a planner and a serverwalked behind the head table to
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give the mother of the bride aglass of red wine and tripped
down the back of the bride'sdress Not a lot but enough and
she was in panic mode.
We immediately all took her tothe back.
This was literally like whentide sticks were first coming
out, so rubbing, rubbing,rubbing, trying to get that out,
(08:49):
seltzer, everything.
There was a little remnants,but yeah, it's, that dress is
such it is, it's a living,breathing thing and that just it
hurt all of us.
I mean, we all were like,because I saw it happen
immediately and I was across, Iwas across the way and I just
saw it and I saw them going.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (09:04):
I'm like, oh no, so that's definitely
something with weddings we'redoing, that functions do seem to
happen.
That seems to be more commonthan people realize.
Doug Ziegler (09:13):
Yeah, but it's managing the drama, it's
understanding that it's gonnahappen and being adaptable to it
, being open to it and realizingokay, again, panic and stress
mean nothing here.
So just take over and take careof what needs to, what needs to
happen, and if I can help othervendors manage stress, if I can
help the couple manage stress,that's again that's the stuff
(09:36):
that I really really like to doAgain to me as a DJ, the music
it's so not secondary, but itreally really, it really is.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (09:44):
It's half of the atmosphere.
Doug Ziegler (09:47):
Yeah, sure, I consider the music literally
just a soundtrack of the night.
You know whether it's just thatchill vibe early on or as we
get into more impactful stuff.
That's what it is, it's just.
It's as you play back thememories, you hear that
soundtrack and that's what Ilook at the music as.
But it's all creating, helpingto create those memories.
That feeds into it.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (10:08):
So how do you go about creating the memory,
as you put it?
When does that?
Doug Ziegler (10:12):
begin From the minute we have our first
conversation.
You know, for me again as a DJ,it's not just show up that day,
and that's where myrelationship begins with the
couple I just got bookedyesterday for October 4th.
It's a Friday, 2024.
So, year and a half from now,my relationship with that couple
(10:34):
starts now and it will continueon.
Now I leave it in their courthow much they need me, but they
know that I'm always a resource.
I check in with them either.
I always communicate the waythey communicate, whether it's
email, text, phone, whatever.
But I let them know and theyare all aware that I'm a
(10:54):
resource.
Use me for whatever you need.
You got an idea that pops inyour head?
Text me at midnight.
Great, we'll flesh it out.
You're looking for ideas.
I got a thousand of them mybrides yesterday.
They're just getting started.
They started with me, they gottheir venue and then they wanted
me.
So they're catering, officiant,photography, all that.
(11:14):
So we talked about all of ityesterday.
I said I'm not going to tellyou who to get, but I'll give
you whatever you need.
I'll answer whatever questionsyou have On my website.
I don't call it a preferredvendors because it's constant,
it's flowing.
I have my resources pages withall different vendors on there
and it's something that I pointto where these are people that I
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enjoy.
These are people that I'veworked with, these are people
where the chemistry is right,and I know that anybody that you
pick in this world you're goingto be happy with.
So for me, that's where thatrelationship starts and then it
continues on throughout thewhole entire process.
As much as they need me, I'mthere for them, and that's with
every single couple.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (11:54):
So what tends to happen, let's say, 12 weeks
before the wedding?
Where does that interaction?
Does it change?
Doug Ziegler (12:01):
to talk about timelines, no, my definite
timelines are.
So what I have is I have an appwhich acts as my conduit.
It's a planner, it's my plannerapp and that's, and I customize
that for each of my couplesbased on what they need.
Whether we're doing ceremony ornot, whether we're changing
things up, for me I take theword tradition, I throw it out
(12:24):
the window, so everything isadjustable, everything is
movable on that planner.
I have questions in there thathelp them think about that and
create what I call wedding brain, and then within there I start
to see their vision.
Now I watch it because I'llsend them the link.
Some of them log on immediately, download it and start filling
(12:45):
it.
And for my A-type couples, theylove it because there's a
progress bar.
I'll see that progress barfilling up, but I'll have
somewhere.
I've sent it.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (12:57):
And they sit on it.
Doug Ziegler (12:58):
Four months, six months, you know.
So that 12 week isn't really athing for me, but as we're
getting closer, I make sure thatthey're working it and I'll
check in with them.
If they haven't touched it,I'll say do you need me to
re-send the link?
You know I'll reach out to them.
I have a bride coming out whereshe had done nothing on it and
(13:20):
I hadn't heard from her at all.
And I'd reached out to hermultiple times and nothing.
I texted, called nothing, sentemails, nothing.
And then I reached out to othervendors because she had filled
out a cut.
She literally had filled outthat one section with all the
(13:40):
vendors on it.
So I had her vendors.
Okay, so you had the team.
I reached out to the venue.
I reached out to thephotographer, said have you
heard from her?
I said yeah.
I said what number do you have?
My phone number was off by onedigit, so the number I had for
her was off by a digit and itallowed me to reach out to her.
Now she still hadn't reallydone anything.
So I wanted to kick her and sayyou know, kickstarter, and get
(14:02):
moving.
We just had a great meeting andeverything's fantastic and
she's filled it up and goneabsolutely insane and put like
400 songs on there and so it'severything's wonderful.
But I wanted to make sure thatwe were still locked in, because
when I don't hear anything Inever get ghosted.
So when I wasn't hearinganything I was getting nervous
and like, okay, we still havingthis thing Still going.
(14:25):
I mean you get cancellations,it happens.
So I just want to make sure, amI doing a wedding that day or
am I not doing a wedding thatday?
But that was that was unique.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (14:34):
Oh, wow.
So what would you say are someof the more popular elements
that people tend to include intheir timelines.
Doug Ziegler (14:42):
Well, there's trends, absolutely.
I always, I always joke there's.
There's tradition and thenthere's trend.
You know, something like cakecutting tradition has been you
pick a song for it, you stop theaction, everybody watches, they
cut the cake, smash, no smash,and then you move on with
something else.
The trend has become wherewe're not necessarily stopping
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the action for cake anymore.
We're still going to have themoment.
So after they're done eatingand again, this is conversations
I have with photographer,videographer, whoever needs to
be a part of that moment.
But we're not playing a specialsong, we're not diverting
everybody's focus to the cake.
I always tell the parents, Ialways tell the bridal parties,
hey, they're going to go overand cut their cake, but I don't
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announce it to the world anymore.
People will obviously see thatthey're going and doing it, but
again, we don't make it this bigmoment.
They go, they cut it and wemove on with the rest of the
night.
It doesn't have to be a moment.
Another thing I have to saythankfully has transitioned out
is 10 years ago, every singlewedding bouquet garter, every
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single wedding.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (15:50):
Yes, I have noticed.
I know where you're going withthis because I'm noticing the
exact same thing.
Doug Ziegler (15:54):
Now I'd say maybe 20, 25% of my weddings are
bouquets, Maybe two or three ayear.
There's a garter moment.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (16:04):
My garter's tosses have been pretty much
like nil for the last few years.
Doug Ziegler (16:09):
Yeah, it really.
I mean it dropped off.
It wasn't like a subtle decline.
It went from like 2019, garterson garter moments, every
wedding, to now almost none.
But I, because it's such athere's no way around it, it's
awkward.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (16:28):
It can be especially inappropriate if you
have somebody who's maybe 10years old that catches the
bouquet.
Well and then somebody olderwho gets it.
Doug Ziegler (16:36):
Yeah, I mean it's uncomfortable.
But I'm so, I have, I havemethods around everything.
So if we're doing the bouquet,toss the bouquet, wonderful.
Now what I always talk to mycouples about, I said if we're
going to do this, let's leaninto the awkwardness, let's lean
into the, because we know it'suncomfortable.
You're going under her dress toget the garter, so we're going
to dive into that.
(16:57):
Whether we're going to playMarvin Gaye's, let's Get it On
Pony, you know Jenny Wine's Pony, whatever it is something
that's just.
We know we're going to getweird.
And then, when you throw thegarter, if you want that third
moment where the person thatcatches the garter puts it on
the leg of the person thatcatches the bouquet, I make it a
game time decision.
(17:17):
If it was the right pairing,let's go for it, let's have fun.
If it's the wrong pairing, I'llcome up to you and you can.
We can even have apredetermined or you can tell me
who do you want it to be.
And I've tagged people out.
So if a 10 year old girlcatches the bouquet, that's not
happening.
But if they're friend and theirother friend and they want to
see that happen, I willabsolutely make that happen.
(17:39):
You know, and I always sayforever.
That would be entertaining towatch.
Oh, yeah, oh, and it's.
And again, we know that we'reabout to see something that's
uncomfortable, so I lean intothat and I make it as in as fun
Uncomfortable as it can be.
Right, you know, I had onewedding, my one wedding that I
(18:00):
did it last year was down inLouisville, and they, they, we
were going to tag in, but thenthey decided, let's leave who it
was.
So it was her bridesmaid'sgirlfriend caught the bouquet,
okay, and then one of hisgroomsmen caught the garter and
(18:22):
they're like, let's do it.
And bridesmaid's girlfriend,she was wearing a nice pantsuit,
and so we, we went into it andthey were both, oh, and the
groomsmen had a, he had a mullet, it was I mean, you couldn't
have, you couldn't have scriptedthis one better, and it was
perfect, and they were bothcompletely into it and he was
putting it up up the pants, andthen we tagged him out and
(18:44):
tagged her girlfriend in and shefinished it.
And, yeah, you, just again.
That's where being adaptable andwatching the situation and not
just letting things play outwithout having any control over
it, that's what I love to do isreally kind of guide the night.
Come up with surprises, come upwith things that they didn't
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necessarily think about.
I like to give my couples twoor three surprises during their
wedding, whether it's somethingthat happens that night or
something that I pre-plannedthat they didn't know about.
I like to give them thoselittle surprises because that's
again those help create thosememories, absolutely.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (19:23):
Well, you also bring up an excellent point
when you're talking about thecake cutting and parents, and I
think this is a good statementfor both parents that might be
listening to this and alsocouples who are planning their
wedding.
The generation gap definitelyplays comes into play here,
because when parents, the peoplewho are in there, like my age
(19:45):
now oh my God, I think I'm akid- when I started I was close
to the couple's age.
Doug Ziegler (19:49):
I am definitely in the parent's age now.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (19:52):
But you do get that expectation where the
parents feel like what do youmean there isn't a cake cutting,
what do you mean you're nothaving a wedding cake?
What do you mean you're havinga two-tiered wedding cake and
you're having macarons andcupcakes and cookies.
Doug Ziegler (20:07):
What do you mean?
You have a pretzel wall.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (20:09):
Right, I mean what they don't understand.
And so for them, back when theyhad their wedding, that was a
timeless moment, that was amoment that had to take place,
and so just kind of keep in mindthat be open to ideas, but also
be open to, maybe, where theother person is coming from with
them.
Doug Ziegler (20:28):
Well, it's not 1960.
It's not 1980.
It's not 2000.
It's 2023.
It's now and things changeconstantly.
From the way things aredelivered, I mean, you know,
even again I take tradition andflip it's on a year.
Who said, where in the rulebooks does it say you have to
have your ceremony before yourcocktail hour?
Right, why can't you invitepeople, give them a beverage,
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have them enjoy and mingle andthen have your beautiful
ceremony and then continue onand enjoy your night?
There are no rules to weddings.
No People think there are, butthere's no rules to weddings.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (21:02):
It's more like you're going for the guest
experience, and that's somethingas a planner that I always try
to emphasize.
You have to think about what isgoing to happen to your guest
from the time that they shut thedoor in their car and walk from
the parking lot to wherethey're going, to the time that
they leave, and is that going toinclude a welcome reception?
(21:24):
And I've done, I've actuallyused a welcome reception as a
plan B several times, where onetime I had a couple and they
were supposed to grab thetuxedos and forgot Oops, oops,
yes.
And so our ceremony was delayedfor almost an hour because we
had to send a courier out to goget the tuxedos, because the
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groom was at a fishingtournament, of all things,
earlier that day, so he didn'twant to bring his tuxedo to that
, and so we had to kill an hourof time for these guests.
So what did we do?
We flipped around cocktail hour.
We turned it into a welcomereception.
Guests were happy, everybodywas happy.
Tuxedos mysteriously arrived.
We got him all changed and thenwe started the ceremony.
(22:09):
And then, after the ceremony,we went right into dinner.
Doug Ziegler (22:12):
And if you do it without hitting a panic button,
that goes back to the duck on apond.
All they need to see is thatduck floating beautifully on the
pond.
They never need to see thecraziness that's happening
underneath.
That's where quality vendors,that's where people that know
what they're doing and theydidn't just show up two days ago
(22:33):
to be a DJ or to be a planner,to be a photographer people that
have taken time to understandtheir craft and understand what
it means to deliver service.
They're going to make sure thatthat happens.
Because I tell my couples theone thing I never want to do is
add stress.
If anything, I want to take itaway, and that includes the
parents.
That includes the maid of honor, who may be the A type taking
(22:55):
on responsibilities.
One thing you hear me say overand over at the beginning of the
day is, with ceremony andleading the cocktail is clock
out, you're done.
We worked real hard prior tothis to make sure that you don't
have to work at all today.
So clock out, enjoy.
Here's a drink.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (23:11):
See, I tell them, they're on my watch.
Doug Ziegler (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I tell them they're not allowed to
look at their watch.
I had one wedding where becausewith my app you turn it into a
PDF, you print it out.
I'll have that.
But I had one where the motherof the bride's sister so her
aunt she was their planner.
She was there because she hadenvelopes for gratuities and she
(23:36):
was going to give it to mebefore the wedding.
I never take that.
I would say no, no, no, Ididn't do anything yet, I didn't
earn it, I didn't earn that yet, Hold on to it.
She's like what I said, hold onto it.
You see if I get it later.
And then, after introductionsand we transitioned to dinner, I
always go over to the coupleand I check out Is everything
look good?
Everything sound good?
And as I'm walking back, I seethe parents table and the aunt
(23:59):
is there and she's got myplanner printed out like her
version.
So I just take it.
I'm like nope, you're done.
I said I'm going to light thison fire, You're done, Clock out.
And the couple was right thereand they were cracking up.
They thought it was hilarious.
I said tell her she does notneed this.
And they're like he's good,Leave him alone.
Yeah, so it is.
I want everybody to be in theday, because it's a blink.
(24:20):
As much as you want it to lastforever, it doesn't.
It's four, five, six hours andthat goes by so quick.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:27):
And then at the end of the night you're like
that's it.
Doug Ziegler (24:30):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:30):
And then the next morning you wake up and
you're like well, what am Isupposed to do with my time now?
Doug Ziegler (24:34):
Right yeah.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:36):
I mean literally when you plan a
wedding, you have a part-timejob from the time that you get
that engagement ring to the timethat you walk down the aisle.
Doug Ziegler (24:44):
And for some it's a full-time job.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:45):
And yeah, and you can either outsource that
to a planner or you can take iton yourself, and there's no
right or wrong answer for that,because some people enjoy taking
on all those details and theyenjoy selecting different seven
or eight photographers andnarrowing it down to three and
then meeting with all of them.
Some people would prefer justto have somebody else take care
(25:07):
of it for them and then say hereyou go, make a decision.
All three of these are withinyour budget, style and
personality and there's no rightor wrong answer there really is
.
Doug Ziegler (25:16):
It's what fits the couple and that's the great
thing is.
I remember when I went off onmy own, I knew that I wasn't
going to be taking business awayfrom anybody else because
there's so much out there we are.
As much as we don't necessarilywant to admit it, our industry
is recession-proof.
Wedding, the wedding businessit's not pandemic-proof, it's
(25:38):
not COVID-proof, it's notpandemic-proof that shut it down
hard.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (25:41):
It's a hard way.
Doug Ziegler (25:42):
But it is.
People are always going to wantto get married.
People are always going to wantto celebrate life and love, and
that's what I love about thisis because I get to help do that
and I know that if I can offermy service, I know what I cost,
I know what my value is.
But that doesn't mean anythingwhen it's the right chemistry.
It doesn't mean anything whenyou have the right couple, when
(26:03):
you have the right vendors.
None of that really ends upmattering in the long run.
You just want to make sureyou're with the right person and
it fits.
One of the things I telleverybody is there's thousands
of us, there's thousands of DJs.
We all have the same music, weall have speakers, we all have
microphones.
So what makes you different?
The majority of us have goodmicrophones and speakers.
(26:24):
I said it's not even a matterof what makes us different.
It's when you find one that youlike.
Stop, because you can go crazy.
You can go down the rabbit holeand be looking forever and you
see those brides that'll show upto bridal shows and they're at
every single bridal.
I'm like what are you stilllooking for?
(26:45):
You don't need to be hereanymore.
You're just adding on tosomething that's unnecessary.
You're done.
You know, be done at a certainpoint Because you can get
completely lost in the rabbithole of finding a vendor, of
looking for ideas and, yeah,again, that's what I call the
wedding brain.
I just started a blog on mysite and that was my first one
(27:07):
is my wedding brain, so readthat if you want to know what
wedding brain is.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (27:10):
What's a good website?
Doug Ziegler (27:11):
It's where people can go read that you can go to
DouglasAdamEntertainmentcom.
Perfect, yeah, thanks for that,that was good.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (27:19):
No, but you bring up so many great points
and you've been doing this for along time and, like what I do,
I've called it this for almost20 years.
I call it the first date.
I got the idea from a DJ whoyou may know, peter Mary.
He's a Everybody's like.
(27:39):
There's a few of them, yeah,but his philosophy with it was
you and your fiancee liked eachother so much you went out on a
second date.
That's kind of what we're doingwe're having a first date to
see if it's a good fit.
Doug Ziegler (27:53):
And I always throw a little bit of a Because I
have a bubbly personality and,yes, this is my personality.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (27:58):
I'm very energetic and some people don't
like that.
Some people prefer somebody alittle more low-key.
I'm the bubbly energetic who'sgot a little hint of sarcasm.
Not in a bad way, but a littlehint of sarcasm in her
personality and I dropped thoselittle bites during that first
date appointment because I wantto see how they react.
Doug Ziegler (28:17):
I want to see.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (28:18):
Do you laugh?
Do you get this petrified look?
Doug Ziegler (28:21):
on your face, because if you do.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (28:23):
It's nothing personal, you're not my client
and if anything, what I'll do isI'll say oh so are you meeting
with any other planners?
And if they give me some namesand one of them jumps out at me,
I'll be like oh, she'sfantastic, I adore her.
You know, you'll enjoy meetingwith her.
Almost like an endorsement ofit's okay, if you don't book me.
Doug Ziegler (28:42):
Yeah, and so I'm going to take a little issue
with it, because when the firstdate is great, but you got to
remember, first date is on bothsides.
So for me, if I look at it thatway, I am without a doubt, when
I'm talking to couples andwe're having our first
conversation, our initialconversation, it is very much a
(29:02):
two-way road.
I'm interviewing them as muchas they're interviewing me,
because one of my most magicalwords and you've heard me say
this is no, saying no, andwhether it's not available on
the date or it's not the rightfit, because not that, it's not
just the right fit for me, it'snot the right fit for them and
they may not see that yet.
(29:23):
So by saying no, it frees themup and they don't have this
lingering feeling of whetherthey made the right choice or
not.
I'm letting them know this isnot the right choice and that,
for me, is so powerful and soimportant, because I have to
love every single wedding that Ido.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (29:45):
I have to, otherwise you're not getting me,
and that's what I mean, Weddingvendors are in this industry
because we love working withpeople, we love seeing those
smiles.
We want to see that you knowbeardier smile at the end of the
night where they're just sohappy For me.
I'm a hugger, so if I don't getthat hug at the end of the
night it's like uh-oh, that'sfunny.
(30:05):
But I mean, but we really arein the service business.
Oh, very much, so Very much.
Doug Ziegler (30:12):
Yeah, absolutely, and I've been in that my entire
life, has always been service toothers and this evolution for
the last, coming up on 16 years,it has put me in a position
where I know how important thisday is and I take that very
personally and I take pride andI tell all my couples I am
(30:33):
honored when I'm a part of yourday because I know what a big
decision that was and I know howimportant my role is to your
day because you don't alwayshear the good stories of a DJ
but you always hear thenightmares, and I've heard
nightmare DJ stories from allover, from you know, and I never
(30:55):
want to be one of those stories.
I never want somebody to tellthat story and have my name
attached to it.
So I take it very personallywhen I'm a part of your day and
I want to make sure that thereare zero regrets and I always
joke.
I don't say my wedding, I don'tsay my name at weddings.
I don't have a laptop with asticker, I don't have a flat
screen with a logo.
The end of the night I wanteverybody to say that was the
(31:17):
best wedding they've ever beento and then they'll find out who
I am.
That's how I live through mybusiness.
That's how I live through myreputation.
This year, I'm hitting mythousandth wedding.
Yeah, so I'm thank you.
I'm honored through everysingle one of those, whether it
was when I first started I wasup and coming and figuring
myself out and thinking I wasthe worst person on the planet,
(31:39):
or now we're.
Every single wedding I am stillnervous going in, thinking I'm
going to suck, I am going tomess everything up literally
every single Saturday, friday.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (31:50):
You only get one shot.
That's the big difference withweddings and corporate.
Doug Ziegler (31:53):
But as soon as, as soon as I pack the car, as soon
as I get to the venue, that'sall out of my head.
But going in I'm like I got tohave everything I know I need to
it's.
I'm not on autopilot ever,because their wedding hasn't
happened yet, so it's neverexisted.
I'm not on it, so everything isnew.
That's how I look at it.
I don't.
(32:14):
I don't do cookie cutter.
I don't do the same thing.
Yeah, each wedding, because,frankly, I'd get bored.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (32:20):
Well, and I think the couple would get bored
.
Doug Ziegler (32:23):
Well, they, they, for them, they.
It may be new to them, but it'snot new to me.
So if it's not new to me, if itdoesn't feel fresh, if it
doesn't feel new, I'm very.
What you see is what you get.
I have to feel it.
I have to and I have to havethat passion for that day,
otherwise they're gonna notice,because that's how my
(32:44):
personality is, that's, you know, even as a performer, yeah,
there are things I can fake it,but Full day, no, I got it.
I got to be absolutelypassionate about, from minute I
poems, that parking lot I'm on.
That's, that's my show.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (32:56):
Let's go, yeah, yeah yeah, like as a from
the planner side of it, I'llwork with the entire vendor team
and get their piece of thetimeline and then I have a
master timeline that's likeseven or eight pages long, but
everything that's on there is nosurprise to the vendor team
because, they gave me that pieceof the puzzle and it's their
(33:19):
responsibility to make sure thatit's executed.
My job is to make sure that ifthere's an overlap or if there's
an issue Coming from anotherdirection that they're not aware
of, that may impact how theirtimeline works.
Like to me, that's, that's myrole and trying to, you know,
kind of keep one cohesive thing.
Doug Ziegler (33:38):
So I love.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (33:38):
Turning it over to the DJ during the
reception.
Doug Ziegler (33:41):
So let me ask you that, that's that you bring them
back to what you said earlierand just again, as far as the
timeline, you know I used to beVery protective of the timeline
where this is what we made withthe couple, this is the timeline
, this is what we're doing.
Over the years I've adapted towhere, yeah, this is the
(34:02):
photographer's timeline, this isthe planner's timeline, this is
the the caterer's timeline,this is the venues timeline.
And I plug mine when it is andI make mine the most adaptable,
you know, because somethingthings that you can't control,
like Friday, my wedding onFriday, one of my absolute
favorite venues, Sola Tree Farms, gorgeous, overlooking the Ohio
(34:26):
River, the mountains, it'sabsolutely beautiful, the view
is ridiculous and you've gotthat killer sunset.
And so, timeline, I have mythings that we're about to get
into, because once we get into acertain point, it just rolls,
it just goes like.
Once I get into Cake cutting,we go cake cutting, toasts, fun
(34:46):
things, special dances, blah,blah.
It just rolls and it's almostlike a train that you know, you
just kind of jump on.
But over the years I've adaptedthat to.
I have to incorporate my othervendors.
So I'm talking to Sam, ourphotographer and we're both
looking at the Sun.
I say we're about what, 20minutes from sunset?
(35:07):
I said, do you want to do itAfter cutting cake or before
cutting cake?
And she thought about she'slike, let's do it now, we'll get
those shots.
I said, great, whenever you'redone is when we'll roll, we'll
go into everything and we'lljust go from there, rather than
this is cake cutting time, we'recutting cake.
You know you have five minutesto do sunset photos.
(35:29):
No, they're they.
They're there at that venue.
We know that shot is gonnahappen.
Let those shots happen.
It's not my job to take thataway from them.
So, being adaptable and beingable to roll with whoever's in
front of you you know I alwaysjoke with my, my couples time
doesn't matter I say there's,there's, there's three times
(35:49):
that matter when the ceremonystarts, when you walk down the
aisle, when the food is readynot because I'm fat, but I'm
gonna respect the caterer andwhen it's over, because I'm
gonna respect the venue.
Everything else is in flux.
It, all of it is adaptablethroughout the day.
So you have to make that clearand then communicate that with
the other vendors as well, sothey Relax their timelines
(36:12):
because, planners, I love you,but you are To the minute and
leading up to.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (36:18):
I actually don't do that.
I'm I consider my timeline achronological timeline because I
know things come up andSometimes you have to make up
time later because somethinghappened, and that could be
something as simple as themakeup artist was running behind
schedule, or Somebody who'ssupposed to have their hair and
makeup done arrived 20 minuteslate, and now everything else is
(36:40):
20 minutes late, and so I mightbe trying to make up a little
bit of time here and there oryou know, sometimes during the
reception you'll get the couplethat says, well, I want to talk
to guests a little bit longer,so we're going to put off, you
know, doing the toasts for alittle bit, and that's fine.
Yeah what can be a problem is ifthey start dinner more than 20
(37:04):
minutes late, because then it'sgoing to start impacting the
food quality.
Yeah, because when they make,when they make food, for example
, like Meat, is about 80%prepared and it continues
cooking from the time that thecaterer leaves their office to
the time they show up to thevenue.
Well, guess what?
That prime rib is going to keepcooking and keep cooking, and
(37:25):
if you're 45 minutes behindschedule, it's going to taste
like rubber.
Doug Ziegler (37:29):
And then you're going to blame the caterer when
in actuality, yeah, and again,that's where that, that food
time, I'm going to hit that.
If I have to take first dancefrom the beginning and move it
after, I'll do that.
If I have to adjust somethingelse, and again that's that
adaptability.
And there are so many peopleand you've heard Me talk about
it there are so many people thatagain they've got their planner
, they go down that track andthat's it.
(37:51):
If you're open, if and again,as Couples and as vendors, you
have to be open to the, toeverything that's happening.
It can't just be this is whatwe created, this is what we're
going to do.
Do that it's like this is theidea of the day, this is the
vision, this is.
We work real hard beforehandand then, day of, let's have a
(38:13):
wedding and let's create, let'screate the day, and that's
everything from the timeline tothe music.
I, for me, as a DJ, I don't justLoad up their playlist and hit,
play Good, bad or different DJswere a thousand different ways.
Every single song, I'm watching.
Every single song on the dancefloor, I'm watching, I'm making
(38:35):
adjustments, whether it's tempo,whether it's beat, whether it's
mood, with lighting, with, withthe music, I'm constantly
adjusting.
Then that doesn't mean that I'malways trying to pack a dance
floor because I know not everywedding is a dance floor wedding
, so I don't try to make themdance floor weddings.
I let dance floors evolve ontheir own, but I want to make
(38:55):
sure that the vibe is alwaysRight for the moment.
So I will constantly beadjusting the music based on
their style, based on their,their playlists, and then
Adapting beyond that.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (39:06):
Well, I think the thing that we've all gotten
from this conversation is beadaptable.
The timeline is not necessarilya hundred percent and it's
never going to stay that way,but have fun with your big day,
because it's going to fly by sofast to blink.
Absolutely, doug.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Doug Ziegler (39:24):
Thanks, Kathy.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (39:25):
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Doug Ziegler (00:51):
Huge shout out to.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (00:51):
Dahlia Vintodrenel for providing the
set today, and we really, reallyare excited because we have a
treat here today.
So this is Doug Zeigler.
Doug Zeigler is the DJ withDouglas Adam Entertainment but
he's more than just a.
Dj, he's also a speaker.
You're more than just a DJ, youare, you're a speaker.
(01:12):
You're actually an actor backin the day too.
Doug Ziegler (01:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm Jack of all, master of none
except ceremonies.
Bam, that was good.
I'm a Jackie of all trades, soyou could be the Jack of all
trades.
There you go.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (01:26):
So, before we went on, we were talking a
little bit about one thing thata lot of people forget, that DJ
does, and it's actually the mostimportant job that you have and
what is that?
Doug Ziegler (01:38):
Yeah, well, it's funny, I always tell people I
call myself DJ because that'sthe category that most
identifies me.
But that's the DJ aspect ofwhat I do, which is the music
part, as important as is that'salmost the least important thing
that I do.
I play music.
I make it sound great, beatmatch, all that fun stuff, but
for me, planning and running theevent, that is my passion.
(02:01):
I always joke.
Half of my weddings havewedding planners, the other half
have me, because I take it verypersonally making sure that the
night flows, everything issmooth, smooth transitions, no
awkward pauses, no staccato and,as the MC, that's a vital part
of what we do and that's almostsecondary in couples minds when
(02:26):
they're thinking about a DJ, andI almost take it as my mission
to educate them on the fact thatwe are so much more than just
pushing a button and press andplay, because I remember when
iPods were first coming out wewere all worried okay, our jobs
are disappearing.
And then we realized, oh yeah,we do more than just.
(02:49):
If anything, it showed that youguys do have a job, and a very
important one of that, yeah, Imean, for me it's just, it's fun
and that everything making surethat everything is smooth,
making sure that the night runsthe way their vision was, the
way our vision was when we cametogether and throw a few
surprises in there as well,that's what I love to do and
(03:13):
yeah, I like playing music aswell.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (03:15):
Yeah, well, like from a planner's
perspective, especially since,you know, half of your weddings
tend to have a planner.
We are spoiled when we have DJslike you.
I mean and I'm not saying thatto make your head, you know,
turn red or anything like that.
Doug Ziegler (03:27):
No, I get it.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (03:28):
But it's true because, like so much of our
job is behind the scenes andmaking sure that the schedule
stays on track.
But when dinner time comesaround, I can pass that baton
and feel confident.
Doug Ziegler (03:42):
Let us take over.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (03:43):
Exactly, and I let you know.
And there's some planners andplanners I'm saying this to you
out there, there are someplanners who will tell a DJ how
to do our job, and that is thatis one of my personal biggest
pet peeves.
Doug Ziegler (03:54):
Same here.
I never, I always.
I always tell my couples.
I'm not going to tell aphotographer how to take
pictures.
I'm not going to tell a catererhow to cook their food.
I'm just going to make surethat everything is done the way
it's supposed to.
I don't want missed moments.
I'm not going to, you know, I'mnot going to call a toast if
the photographer is not set, ifthey're not happy with the way
(04:14):
that it's staged.
I'm going to make sure allthose moments happen, but
they're never waiting around forit.
I always kind of say it.
Years ago, a couple called me aduck on a pond.
You know, on the surface niceand smooth, but underneath my
legs are flapping around likecrazy.
That's how I existed.
A wedding, I'm the Wizard of Oz.
You're not going to see behindthe curtain, but everything's
(04:35):
just going to happen, you know.
And yet working with the rightvendors is so vital.
That's why one of my firstquestions, or one of the first
things that people fill out onmy app, is it's a list of the
vendors, it's a list of thingsthat they've seen in the past,
list of things that they don'twant, but, most importantly,
(04:57):
that list of vendors, when I gothrough that.
If it's people that I've workedwith before and had positive
experiences, I know what my dayis going to be like.
I know that it's going to besmooth.
If it's people that I've neverheard of or people that I've
that I know that aren't 100%, Iknow that there's going to be
more of a conversationthroughout the event, because
(05:18):
the chemistry between thevendors is almost as important
as the chemistry between thevendor and client.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (05:23):
Oh, absolutely, and I think you know
, when you hire a vendor to do ajob, you have to trust that
they're going to perform thatjob, because they're being paid
to do that job.
And they're obligated to dothat job.
Doug Ziegler (05:34):
Yeah, I always say hire the right people, I'm not
going to tell them how to shootpictures.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (05:39):
I'm a phone photographer.
Yes, we're shooting this on myphone.
Okay, I am never, ever, evergoing to be as amazing as Daniel
Michael, no matter how hard Itry.
And then I don't want to beDaniel Michael.
Doug Ziegler (05:49):
Don't get me wrong , If you know, being coming from
my background with performingand improv, like I've talked
about in the past, my wholeworld is observation, is paying
attention to what's going on.
So, yeah, if I'm noticingthings, like again, I, I, I
comment it with a planner's eye,even though that's not my main
job set something like a cakecutting moment.
(06:10):
Well, is the knife and serverutensil there?
Okay, are there plates andnapkins?
Are there forks as an option?
Little details that noteverybody thinks about.
And then if I'm bringing thecouple up, is a photographer
comfortable giving thoseinstructions?
I'll step back because I alwayskind of see that as their role.
(06:31):
But if they don't jump into it,I'll jump in and I'll say, okay
, hold hands, you guys are gonnacut, cut server, put it on a
plate, cut it in half, two forks, you know no smashing, and kind
of go from there.
And photographers appreciatethat, but I'm not gonna step on
their toes if that's their path.
Same thing with a planner or acaterer, One of the things I
(06:54):
love to do.
I pick this up from a venue andI always thought it was a
beautiful gesture.
If it's a buffet, I never let abride serve herself.
I never let a bride servethemselves because I don't want
to accidentally get something onthe dress.
So I'll grab the plate and I'llwalk in front of them and they
tell me what they want and I putit on the plate and I bring it
back to their table and theylove it.
It's a nice gesture, but thereare venues that do that, there
(07:16):
are planners that do that.
I look at myself as the lastrecourse for that.
I want to make sure that itgets done.
So if I don't see somebody elsedoing it, I'm gonna step up.
You know, and it's again.
It's that seamlessness, it'smaking sure that everything is
being done the way it should bedone.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (07:34):
And brides appreciate that more than you
know, because you know.
One thing that I tell the brideis your dress is a person on
the wedding day.
It really is it needs to gothrough a door, it needs to be
plumped and fixed, it takes upan extra seat in the limousine
and it goes through hairstylechanges with bustling it does.
Doug Ziegler (07:55):
It absolutely has a life and personality of its
own throughout the event.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (08:00):
The time the bride puts it on and starts
swishing it in the dress shoptrying to get her dinner.
Doug Ziegler (08:06):
Yeah, 100%.
I remember one wedding.
It was a New Year's Eve.
It was Hilton.
There you go.
Happy birthday on New Year'sEve, hilton, netherlands,
holland, mirror's absolutelygorgeous pinnacle New Year's Eve
wedding.
And there was a.
We had a planner and a serverwalked behind the head table to
(08:29):
give the mother of the bride aglass of red wine and tripped
down the back of the bride'sdress Not a lot but enough and
she was in panic mode.
We immediately all took her tothe back.
This was literally like whentide sticks were first coming
out, so rubbing, rubbing,rubbing, trying to get that out,
(08:49):
seltzer, everything.
There was a little remnants,but yeah, it's, that dress is
such it is, it's a living,breathing thing and that just it
hurt all of us.
I mean, we all were like,because I saw it happen
immediately and I was across, Iwas across the way and I just
saw it and I saw them going.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (09:04):
I'm like, oh no, so that's definitely
something with weddings we'redoing, that functions do seem to
happen.
That seems to be more commonthan people realize.
Doug Ziegler (09:13):
Yeah, but it's managing the drama, it's
understanding that it's gonnahappen and being adaptable to it
, being open to it and realizingokay, again, panic and stress
mean nothing here.
So just take over and take careof what needs to, what needs to
happen, and if I can help othervendors manage stress, if I can
help the couple manage stress,that's again that's the stuff
(09:36):
that I really really like to doAgain to me as a DJ, the music
it's so not secondary, but itreally really, it really is.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (09:44):
It's half of the atmosphere.
Doug Ziegler (09:47):
Yeah, sure, I consider the music literally
just a soundtrack of the night.
You know whether it's just thatchill vibe early on or as we
get into more impactful stuff.
That's what it is, it's just.
It's as you play back thememories, you hear that
soundtrack and that's what Ilook at the music as.
But it's all creating, helpingto create those memories.
That feeds into it.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (10:08):
So how do you go about creating the memory,
as you put it?
When does that?
Doug Ziegler (10:12):
begin From the minute we have our first
conversation.
You know, for me again as a DJ,it's not just show up that day,
and that's where myrelationship begins with the
couple I just got bookedyesterday for October 4th.
It's a Friday, 2024.
So, year and a half from now,my relationship with that couple
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starts now and it will continueon.
Now I leave it in their courthow much they need me, but they
know that I'm always a resource.
I check in with them either.
I always communicate the waythey communicate, whether it's
email, text, phone, whatever.
But I let them know and theyare all aware that I'm a
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resource.
Use me for whatever you need.
You got an idea that pops inyour head?
Text me at midnight.
Great, we'll flesh it out.
You're looking for ideas.
I got a thousand of them mybrides yesterday.
They're just getting started.
They started with me, they gottheir venue and then they wanted
me.
So they're catering, officiant,photography, all that.
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So we talked about all of ityesterday.
I said I'm not going to tellyou who to get, but I'll give
you whatever you need.
I'll answer whatever questionsyou have On my website.
I don't call it a preferredvendors because it's constant,
it's flowing.
I have my resources pages withall different vendors on there
and it's something that I pointto where these are people that I
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enjoy.
These are people that I'veworked with, these are people
where the chemistry is right,and I know that anybody that you
pick in this world you're goingto be happy with.
So for me, that's where thatrelationship starts and then it
continues on throughout thewhole entire process.
As much as they need me, I'mthere for them, and that's with
every single couple.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (11:54):
So what tends to happen, let's say, 12 weeks
before the wedding?
Where does that interaction?
Does it change?
Doug Ziegler (12:01):
to talk about timelines, no, my definite
timelines are.
So what I have is I have an appwhich acts as my conduit.
It's a planner, it's my plannerapp and that's, and I customize
that for each of my couplesbased on what they need.
Whether we're doing ceremony ornot, whether we're changing
things up, for me I take theword tradition, I throw it out
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the window, so everything isadjustable, everything is
movable on that planner.
I have questions in there thathelp them think about that and
create what I call wedding brain, and then within there I start
to see their vision.
Now I watch it because I'llsend them the link.
Some of them log on immediately, download it and start filling
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it.
And for my A-type couples, theylove it because there's a
progress bar.
I'll see that progress barfilling up, but I'll have
somewhere.
I've sent it.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (12:57):
And they sit on it.
Doug Ziegler (12:58):
Four months, six months, you know.
So that 12 week isn't really athing for me, but as we're
getting closer, I make sure thatthey're working it and I'll
check in with them.
If they haven't touched it,I'll say do you need me to
re-send the link?
You know I'll reach out to them.
I have a bride coming out whereshe had done nothing on it and
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I hadn't heard from her at all.
And I'd reached out to hermultiple times and nothing.
I texted, called nothing, sentemails, nothing.
And then I reached out to othervendors because she had filled
out a cut.
She literally had filled outthat one section with all the
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vendors on it.
So I had her vendors.
Okay, so you had the team.
I reached out to the venue.
I reached out to thephotographer, said have you
heard from her?
I said yeah.
I said what number do you have?
My phone number was off by onedigit, so the number I had for
her was off by a digit and itallowed me to reach out to her.
Now she still hadn't reallydone anything.
So I wanted to kick her and sayyou know, kickstarter, and get
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moving.
We just had a great meeting andeverything's fantastic and
she's filled it up and goneabsolutely insane and put like
400 songs on there and so it'severything's wonderful.
But I wanted to make sure thatwe were still locked in, because
when I don't hear anything Inever get ghosted.
So when I wasn't hearinganything I was getting nervous
and like, okay, we still havingthis thing Still going.
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I mean you get cancellations,it happens.
So I just want to make sure, amI doing a wedding that day or
am I not doing a wedding thatday?
But that was that was unique.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (14:34):
Oh, wow.
So what would you say are someof the more popular elements
that people tend to include intheir timelines.
Doug Ziegler (14:42):
Well, there's trends, absolutely.
I always, I always joke there's.
There's tradition and thenthere's trend.
You know, something like cakecutting tradition has been you
pick a song for it, you stop theaction, everybody watches, they
cut the cake, smash, no smash,and then you move on with
something else.
The trend has become wherewe're not necessarily stopping
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the action for cake anymore.
We're still going to have themoment.
So after they're done eatingand again, this is conversations
I have with photographer,videographer, whoever needs to
be a part of that moment.
But we're not playing a specialsong, we're not diverting
everybody's focus to the cake.
I always tell the parents, Ialways tell the bridal parties,
hey, they're going to go overand cut their cake, but I don't
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announce it to the world anymore.
People will obviously see thatthey're going and doing it, but
again, we don't make it this bigmoment.
They go, they cut it and wemove on with the rest of the
night.
It doesn't have to be a moment.
Another thing I have to saythankfully has transitioned out
is 10 years ago, every singlewedding bouquet garter, every
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single wedding.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (15:50):
Yes, I have noticed.
I know where you're going withthis because I'm noticing the
exact same thing.
Doug Ziegler (15:54):
Now I'd say maybe 20, 25% of my weddings are
bouquets, Maybe two or three ayear.
There's a garter moment.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (16:04):
My garter's tosses have been pretty much
like nil for the last few years.
Doug Ziegler (16:09):
Yeah, it really.
I mean it dropped off.
It wasn't like a subtle decline.
It went from like 2019, garterson garter moments, every
wedding, to now almost none.
But I, because it's such athere's no way around it, it's
awkward.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (16:28):
It can be especially inappropriate if you
have somebody who's maybe 10years old that catches the
bouquet.
Well and then somebody olderwho gets it.
Doug Ziegler (16:36):
Yeah, I mean it's uncomfortable.
But I'm so, I have, I havemethods around everything.
So if we're doing the bouquet,toss the bouquet, wonderful.
Now what I always talk to mycouples about, I said if we're
going to do this, let's leaninto the awkwardness, let's lean
into the, because we know it'suncomfortable.
You're going under her dress toget the garter, so we're going
to dive into that.
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Whether we're going to playMarvin Gaye's, let's Get it On
Pony, you know Jenny Wine's Pony, whatever it is something
that's just.
We know we're going to getweird.
And then, when you throw thegarter, if you want that third
moment where the person thatcatches the garter puts it on
the leg of the person thatcatches the bouquet, I make it a
game time decision.
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If it was the right pairing,let's go for it, let's have fun.
If it's the wrong pairing, I'llcome up to you and you can.
We can even have apredetermined or you can tell me
who do you want it to be.
And I've tagged people out.
So if a 10 year old girlcatches the bouquet, that's not
happening.
But if they're friend and theirother friend and they want to
see that happen, I willabsolutely make that happen.
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You know, and I always sayforever.
That would be entertaining towatch.
Oh, yeah, oh, and it's.
And again, we know that we'reabout to see something that's
uncomfortable, so I lean intothat and I make it as in as fun
Uncomfortable as it can be.
Right, you know, I had onewedding, my one wedding that I
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did it last year was down inLouisville, and they, they, we
were going to tag in, but thenthey decided, let's leave who it
was.
So it was her bridesmaid'sgirlfriend caught the bouquet,
okay, and then one of hisgroomsmen caught the garter and
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they're like, let's do it.
And bridesmaid's girlfriend,she was wearing a nice pantsuit,
and so we, we went into it andthey were both, oh, and the
groomsmen had a, he had a mullet, it was I mean, you couldn't
have, you couldn't have scriptedthis one better, and it was
perfect, and they were bothcompletely into it and he was
putting it up up the pants, andthen we tagged him out and
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tagged her girlfriend in and shefinished it.
And, yeah, you, just again.
That's where being adaptable andwatching the situation and not
just letting things play outwithout having any control over
it, that's what I love to do isreally kind of guide the night.
Come up with surprises, come upwith things that they didn't
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necessarily think about.
I like to give my couples twoor three surprises during their
wedding, whether it's somethingthat happens that night or
something that I pre-plannedthat they didn't know about.
I like to give them thoselittle surprises because that's
again those help create thosememories, absolutely.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (19:23):
Well, you also bring up an excellent point
when you're talking about thecake cutting and parents, and I
think this is a good statementfor both parents that might be
listening to this and alsocouples who are planning their
wedding.
The generation gap definitelyplays comes into play here,
because when parents, the peoplewho are in there, like my age
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now oh my God, I think I'm akid- when I started I was close
to the couple's age.
Doug Ziegler (19:49):
I am definitely in the parent's age now.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (19:52):
But you do get that expectation where the
parents feel like what do youmean there isn't a cake cutting,
what do you mean you're nothaving a wedding cake?
What do you mean you're havinga two-tiered wedding cake and
you're having macarons andcupcakes and cookies.
Doug Ziegler (20:07):
What do you mean?
You have a pretzel wall.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (20:09):
Right, I mean what they don't understand.
And so for them, back when theyhad their wedding, that was a
timeless moment, that was amoment that had to take place,
and so just kind of keep in mindthat be open to ideas, but also
be open to, maybe, where theother person is coming from with
them.
Doug Ziegler (20:28):
Well, it's not 1960.
It's not 1980.
It's not 2000.
It's 2023.
It's now and things changeconstantly.
From the way things aredelivered, I mean, you know,
even again I take tradition andflip it's on a year.
Who said, where in the rulebooks does it say you have to
have your ceremony before yourcocktail hour?
Right, why can't you invitepeople, give them a beverage,
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have them enjoy and mingle andthen have your beautiful
ceremony and then continue onand enjoy your night?
There are no rules to weddings.
No People think there are, butthere's no rules to weddings.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (21:02):
It's more like you're going for the guest
experience, and that's somethingas a planner that I always try
to emphasize.
You have to think about what isgoing to happen to your guest
from the time that they shut thedoor in their car and walk from
the parking lot to wherethey're going, to the time that
they leave, and is that going toinclude a welcome reception?
(21:24):
And I've done, I've actuallyused a welcome reception as a
plan B several times, where onetime I had a couple and they
were supposed to grab thetuxedos and forgot Oops, oops,
yes.
And so our ceremony was delayedfor almost an hour because we
had to send a courier out to goget the tuxedos, because the
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groom was at a fishingtournament, of all things,
earlier that day, so he didn'twant to bring his tuxedo to that
, and so we had to kill an hourof time for these guests.
So what did we do?
We flipped around cocktail hour.
We turned it into a welcomereception.
Guests were happy, everybodywas happy.
Tuxedos mysteriously arrived.
We got him all changed and thenwe started the ceremony.
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And then, after the ceremony,we went right into dinner.
Doug Ziegler (22:12):
And if you do it without hitting a panic button,
that goes back to the duck on apond.
All they need to see is thatduck floating beautifully on the
pond.
They never need to see thecraziness that's happening
underneath.
That's where quality vendors,that's where people that know
what they're doing and theydidn't just show up two days ago
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to be a DJ or to be a planner,to be a photographer people that
have taken time to understandtheir craft and understand what
it means to deliver service.
They're going to make sure thatthat happens.
Because I tell my couples theone thing I never want to do is
add stress.
If anything, I want to take itaway, and that includes the
parents.
That includes the maid of honor, who may be the A type taking
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on responsibilities.
One thing you hear me say overand over at the beginning of the
day is, with ceremony andleading the cocktail is clock
out, you're done.
We worked real hard prior tothis to make sure that you don't
have to work at all today.
So clock out, enjoy.
Here's a drink.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (23:11):
See, I tell them, they're on my watch.
Doug Ziegler (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I tell them they're not allowed to
look at their watch.
I had one wedding where becausewith my app you turn it into a
PDF, you print it out.
I'll have that.
But I had one where the motherof the bride's sister so her
aunt she was their planner.
She was there because she hadenvelopes for gratuities and she
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was going to give it to mebefore the wedding.
I never take that.
I would say no, no, no, Ididn't do anything yet, I didn't
earn it, I didn't earn that yet, Hold on to it.
She's like what I said, hold onto it.
You see if I get it later.
And then, after introductionsand we transitioned to dinner, I
always go over to the coupleand I check out Is everything
look good?
Everything sound good?
And as I'm walking back, I seethe parents table and the aunt
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is there and she's got myplanner printed out like her
version.
So I just take it.
I'm like nope, you're done.
I said I'm going to light thison fire, You're done, Clock out.
And the couple was right thereand they were cracking up.
They thought it was hilarious.
I said tell her she does notneed this.
And they're like he's good,Leave him alone.
Yeah, so it is.
I want everybody to be in theday, because it's a blink.
(24:20):
As much as you want it to lastforever, it doesn't.
It's four, five, six hours andthat goes by so quick.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:27):
And then at the end of the night you're like
that's it.
Doug Ziegler (24:30):
Mm-hmm.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:30):
And then the next morning you wake up and
you're like well, what am Isupposed to do with my time now?
Doug Ziegler (24:34):
Right yeah.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:36):
I mean literally when you plan a
wedding, you have a part-timejob from the time that you get
that engagement ring to the timethat you walk down the aisle.
Doug Ziegler (24:44):
And for some it's a full-time job.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (24:45):
And yeah, and you can either outsource that
to a planner or you can take iton yourself, and there's no
right or wrong answer for that,because some people enjoy taking
on all those details and theyenjoy selecting different seven
or eight photographers andnarrowing it down to three and
then meeting with all of them.
Some people would prefer justto have somebody else take care
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of it for them and then say hereyou go, make a decision.
All three of these are withinyour budget, style and
personality and there's no rightor wrong answer there really is
.
Doug Ziegler (25:16):
It's what fits the couple and that's the great
thing is.
I remember when I went off onmy own, I knew that I wasn't
going to be taking business awayfrom anybody else because
there's so much out there we are.
As much as we don't necessarilywant to admit it, our industry
is recession-proof.
Wedding, the wedding businessit's not pandemic-proof, it's
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not COVID-proof, it's notpandemic-proof that shut it down
hard.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (25:41):
It's a hard way.
Doug Ziegler (25:42):
But it is.
People are always going to wantto get married.
People are always going to wantto celebrate life and love, and
that's what I love about thisis because I get to help do that
and I know that if I can offermy service, I know what I cost,
I know what my value is.
But that doesn't mean anythingwhen it's the right chemistry.
It doesn't mean anything whenyou have the right couple, when
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you have the right vendors.
None of that really ends upmattering in the long run.
You just want to make sureyou're with the right person and
it fits.
One of the things I telleverybody is there's thousands
of us, there's thousands of DJs.
We all have the same music, weall have speakers, we all have
microphones.
So what makes you different?
The majority of us have goodmicrophones and speakers.
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I said it's not even a matterof what makes us different.
It's when you find one that youlike.
Stop, because you can go crazy.
You can go down the rabbit holeand be looking forever and you
see those brides that'll show upto bridal shows and they're at
every single bridal.
I'm like what are you stilllooking for?
(26:45):
You don't need to be hereanymore.
You're just adding on tosomething that's unnecessary.
You're done.
You know, be done at a certainpoint Because you can get
completely lost in the rabbithole of finding a vendor, of
looking for ideas and, yeah,again, that's what I call the
wedding brain.
I just started a blog on mysite and that was my first one
(27:07):
is my wedding brain, so readthat if you want to know what
wedding brain is.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (27:10):
What's a good website?
Doug Ziegler (27:11):
It's where people can go read that you can go to
DouglasAdamEntertainmentcom.
Perfect, yeah, thanks for that,that was good.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (27:19):
No, but you bring up so many great points
and you've been doing this for along time and, like what I do,
I've called it this for almost20 years.
I call it the first date.
I got the idea from a DJ whoyou may know, peter Mary.
He's a Everybody's like.
(27:39):
There's a few of them, yeah,but his philosophy with it was
you and your fiancee liked eachother so much you went out on a
second date.
That's kind of what we're doingwe're having a first date to
see if it's a good fit.
Doug Ziegler (27:53):
And I always throw a little bit of a Because I
have a bubbly personality and,yes, this is my personality.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (27:58):
I'm very energetic and some people don't
like that.
Some people prefer somebody alittle more low-key.
I'm the bubbly energetic who'sgot a little hint of sarcasm.
Not in a bad way, but a littlehint of sarcasm in her
personality and I dropped thoselittle bites during that first
date appointment because I wantto see how they react.
Doug Ziegler (28:17):
I want to see.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (28:18):
Do you laugh?
Do you get this petrified look?
Doug Ziegler (28:21):
on your face, because if you do.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (28:23):
It's nothing personal, you're not my client
and if anything, what I'll do isI'll say oh so are you meeting
with any other planners?
And if they give me some namesand one of them jumps out at me,
I'll be like oh, she'sfantastic, I adore her.
You know, you'll enjoy meetingwith her.
Almost like an endorsement ofit's okay, if you don't book me.
Doug Ziegler (28:42):
Yeah, and so I'm going to take a little issue
with it, because when the firstdate is great, but you got to
remember, first date is on bothsides.
So for me, if I look at it thatway, I am without a doubt, when
I'm talking to couples andwe're having our first
conversation, our initialconversation, it is very much a
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two-way road.
I'm interviewing them as muchas they're interviewing me,
because one of my most magicalwords and you've heard me say
this is no, saying no, andwhether it's not available on
the date or it's not the rightfit, because not that, it's not
just the right fit for me, it'snot the right fit for them and
they may not see that yet.
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So by saying no, it frees themup and they don't have this
lingering feeling of whetherthey made the right choice or
not.
I'm letting them know this isnot the right choice and that,
for me, is so powerful and soimportant, because I have to
love every single wedding that Ido.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (29:45):
I have to, otherwise you're not getting me,
and that's what I mean, Weddingvendors are in this industry
because we love working withpeople, we love seeing those
smiles.
We want to see that you knowbeardier smile at the end of the
night where they're just sohappy For me.
I'm a hugger, so if I don't getthat hug at the end of the
night it's like uh-oh, that'sfunny.
(30:05):
But I mean, but we really arein the service business.
Oh, very much, so Very much.
Doug Ziegler (30:12):
Yeah, absolutely, and I've been in that my entire
life, has always been service toothers and this evolution for
the last, coming up on 16 years,it has put me in a position
where I know how important thisday is and I take that very
personally and I take pride andI tell all my couples I am
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honored when I'm a part of yourday because I know what a big
decision that was and I know howimportant my role is to your
day because you don't alwayshear the good stories of a DJ
but you always hear thenightmares, and I've heard
nightmare DJ stories from allover, from you know, and I never
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want to be one of those stories.
I never want somebody to tellthat story and have my name
attached to it.
So I take it very personallywhen I'm a part of your day and
I want to make sure that thereare zero regrets and I always
joke.
I don't say my wedding, I don'tsay my name at weddings.
I don't have a laptop with asticker, I don't have a flat
screen with a logo.
The end of the night I wanteverybody to say that was the
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best wedding they've ever beento and then they'll find out who
I am.
That's how I live through mybusiness.
That's how I live through myreputation.
This year, I'm hitting mythousandth wedding.
Yeah, so I'm thank you.
I'm honored through everysingle one of those, whether it
was when I first started I wasup and coming and figuring
myself out and thinking I wasthe worst person on the planet,
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or now we're.
Every single wedding I am stillnervous going in, thinking I'm
going to suck, I am going tomess everything up literally
every single Saturday, friday.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (31:50):
You only get one shot.
That's the big difference withweddings and corporate.
Doug Ziegler (31:53):
But as soon as, as soon as I pack the car, as soon
as I get to the venue, that'sall out of my head.
But going in I'm like I got tohave everything I know I need to
it's.
I'm not on autopilot ever,because their wedding hasn't
happened yet, so it's neverexisted.
I'm not on it, so everything isnew.
That's how I look at it.
I don't.
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I don't do cookie cutter.
I don't do the same thing.
Yeah, each wedding, because,frankly, I'd get bored.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (32:20):
Well, and I think the couple would get bored
.
Doug Ziegler (32:23):
Well, they, they, for them, they.
It may be new to them, but it'snot new to me.
So if it's not new to me, if itdoesn't feel fresh, if it
doesn't feel new, I'm very.
What you see is what you get.
I have to feel it.
I have to and I have to havethat passion for that day,
otherwise they're gonna notice,because that's how my
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personality is, that's, you know, even as a performer, yeah,
there are things I can fake it,but Full day, no, I got it.
I got to be absolutelypassionate about, from minute I
poems, that parking lot I'm on.
That's, that's my show.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (32:56):
Let's go, yeah, yeah yeah, like as a from
the planner side of it, I'llwork with the entire vendor team
and get their piece of thetimeline and then I have a
master timeline that's likeseven or eight pages long, but
everything that's on there is nosurprise to the vendor team
because, they gave me that pieceof the puzzle and it's their
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responsibility to make sure thatit's executed.
My job is to make sure that ifthere's an overlap or if there's
an issue Coming from anotherdirection that they're not aware
of, that may impact how theirtimeline works.
Like to me, that's, that's myrole and trying to, you know,
kind of keep one cohesive thing.
Doug Ziegler (33:38):
So I love.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (33:38):
Turning it over to the DJ during the
reception.
Doug Ziegler (33:41):
So let me ask you that, that's that you bring them
back to what you said earlierand just again, as far as the
timeline, you know I used to beVery protective of the timeline
where this is what we made withthe couple, this is the timeline
, this is what we're doing.
Over the years I've adapted towhere, yeah, this is the
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photographer's timeline, this isthe planner's timeline, this is
the the caterer's timeline,this is the venues timeline.
And I plug mine when it is andI make mine the most adaptable,
you know, because somethingthings that you can't control,
like Friday, my wedding onFriday, one of my absolute
favorite venues, Sola Tree Farms, gorgeous, overlooking the Ohio
(34:26):
River, the mountains, it'sabsolutely beautiful, the view
is ridiculous and you've gotthat killer sunset.
And so, timeline, I have mythings that we're about to get
into, because once we get into acertain point, it just rolls,
it just goes like.
Once I get into Cake cutting,we go cake cutting, toasts, fun
(34:46):
things, special dances, blah,blah.
It just rolls and it's almostlike a train that you know, you
just kind of jump on.
But over the years I've adaptedthat to.
I have to incorporate my othervendors.
So I'm talking to Sam, ourphotographer and we're both
looking at the Sun.
I say we're about what, 20minutes from sunset?
(35:07):
I said, do you want to do itAfter cutting cake or before
cutting cake?
And she thought about she'slike, let's do it now, we'll get
those shots.
I said, great, whenever you'redone is when we'll roll, we'll
go into everything and we'lljust go from there, rather than
this is cake cutting time, we'recutting cake.
You know you have five minutesto do sunset photos.
(35:29):
No, they're they.
They're there at that venue.
We know that shot is gonnahappen.
Let those shots happen.
It's not my job to take thataway from them.
So, being adaptable and beingable to roll with whoever's in
front of you you know I alwaysjoke with my, my couples time
doesn't matter I say there's,there's, there's three times
(35:49):
that matter when the ceremonystarts, when you walk down the
aisle, when the food is readynot because I'm fat, but I'm
gonna respect the caterer andwhen it's over, because I'm
gonna respect the venue.
Everything else is in flux.
It, all of it is adaptablethroughout the day.
So you have to make that clearand then communicate that with
the other vendors as well, sothey Relax their timelines
(36:12):
because, planners, I love you,but you are To the minute and
leading up to.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (36:18):
I actually don't do that.
I'm I consider my timeline achronological timeline because I
know things come up andSometimes you have to make up
time later because somethinghappened, and that could be
something as simple as themakeup artist was running behind
schedule, or Somebody who'ssupposed to have their hair and
makeup done arrived 20 minuteslate, and now everything else is
(36:40):
20 minutes late, and so I mightbe trying to make up a little
bit of time here and there oryou know, sometimes during the
reception you'll get the couplethat says, well, I want to talk
to guests a little bit longer,so we're going to put off, you
know, doing the toasts for alittle bit, and that's fine.
Yeah what can be a problem is ifthey start dinner more than 20
(37:04):
minutes late, because then it'sgoing to start impacting the
food quality.
Yeah, because when they make,when they make food, for example
, like Meat, is about 80%prepared and it continues
cooking from the time that thecaterer leaves their office to
the time they show up to thevenue.
Well, guess what?
That prime rib is going to keepcooking and keep cooking, and
(37:25):
if you're 45 minutes behindschedule, it's going to taste
like rubber.
Doug Ziegler (37:29):
And then you're going to blame the caterer when
in actuality, yeah, and again,that's where that, that food
time, I'm going to hit that.
If I have to take first dancefrom the beginning and move it
after, I'll do that.
If I have to adjust somethingelse, and again that's that
adaptability.
And there are so many peopleand you've heard Me talk about
it there are so many people thatagain they've got their planner
, they go down that track andthat's it.
(37:51):
If you're open, if and again,as Couples and as vendors, you
have to be open to the, toeverything that's happening.
It can't just be this is whatwe created, this is what we're
going to do.
Do that it's like this is theidea of the day, this is the
vision, this is.
We work real hard beforehandand then, day of, let's have a
(38:13):
wedding and let's create, let'screate the day, and that's
everything from the timeline tothe music.
I, for me, as a DJ, I don't justLoad up their playlist and hit,
play Good, bad or different DJswere a thousand different ways.
Every single song, I'm watching.
Every single song on the dancefloor, I'm watching, I'm making
(38:35):
adjustments, whether it's tempo,whether it's beat, whether it's
mood, with lighting, with, withthe music, I'm constantly
adjusting.
Then that doesn't mean that I'malways trying to pack a dance
floor because I know not everywedding is a dance floor wedding
, so I don't try to make themdance floor weddings.
I let dance floors evolve ontheir own, but I want to make
(38:55):
sure that the vibe is alwaysRight for the moment.
So I will constantly beadjusting the music based on
their style, based on their,their playlists, and then
Adapting beyond that.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (39:06):
Well, I think the thing that we've all gotten
from this conversation is beadaptable.
The timeline is not necessarilya hundred percent and it's
never going to stay that way,but have fun with your big day,
because it's going to fly by sofast to blink.
Absolutely, doug.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Doug Ziegler (39:24):
Thanks, Kathy.
Kathy Piech-Lukas (39:25):
Please subscribe to our channel.
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