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Life. It's stop and go.Well, just go t chiep up with
our steady flow of updates to continueonward line with US Radio seven point KTRH.
Last song by the Supremes coming outtoday and that will be the ruling
on presidential immunity. Attorney Dunam Bilesjoins us, I guess before we get
to today, though, councilor let'stalk about what the Supreme Court said froddy

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about the obstruction charges against January sixthprisoners and against President Trump. They kind
of narrowly focused in on what obstructionis, didn't they? Yes, they
did, and they got it right, as they said, it was pretty
obvious that it's Section C two,which says otherwise, and the others have

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tried to read into that rules thatwould gobble up the entirety of the other
rule. So it doesn't just applyto just showing up, but when they're
having a vote or so forth,you have to be destroying or otherwise damaging
documents, evidence, other things,which is traditionally what we think of when
we talk about obstruction, and wehave entire statutory schemes to lay that out,

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and some were trying to read fartoo much into the word otherwise.
Okay, it was a single jsix defendant who brought the case, So
now what three hundred or so mayhave their cases affected because that's how broadly
they were applying this thing. Well, that's true. It will impact all
of those folks who had this typeof charge brought against them. But as

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you can as the defendant in thatparticular case, for example, he had
plenty of other charges brought against himtoo, So this will only affect the
charge is brought for obstruction under Ithink it's fifteen twelve C two. Okay,
not today we're going to get thepresidential immunity ruling. What do you
predict there is going to happen?Do you think the Supreme Court is going
to fund on this one, sendit back to a lower quarter or do

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you think we'll actually have a ruling. It's a hard one for me to
say, because I could see thisgoing in various different ways. I think
we're gonna find out that the Court'sgoing to say there is some immunity.
I think it's taking some time becauseI think it's a very hard opinion to
write. Very the Supreme Court likesto, as they've said in the recent
cases. They like to have rulesthat make sense that they can be applied

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by the lower courts. There's nota bunch of factors and weighing of things,
And to write this opinion and comeup with with exactly where the limits
are is difficult. Thus I couldimagine them sending it back down with not
that much guidance and telling the lowercourts, Okay, you guys start figuring
this out, and we'll do thisthe normal way. The lower courts will
will craft things, and they'll goup to the pellet courts and they'll review,

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and over time we'll get this right. I just don't know that,
given the importance obviously of this case, that they aren't going to go ahead
and try to craft exactly what theythink. But in this case, the
lower court it is the DC Court, is it not? And the judge
that justice checking, I mean,who just absolutely despises Donald Trump. Sure?

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No, no, that's that thatthat's fair. And if you were
the lower court, you would youtell the Supreme Court if they didn't give
give you much guidance. Gee.Thanks, I'm the judge who said there
was no immunity. Now you're tellingme I got it wrong. But not
telling me what I'm supposed to do. Uh so that probably isn't the best
result. We probably do need aSupreme Court to have give some definite clarity

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to to win immunity applies and whenit does not, okay, and we'll
find out sometime this morning. Thankyou, sir, appreciate it. As
always, that is attorney done inBiles. It is five fifty six