778: Peptide Power, The Skin Barrier, and In-Skin Vitamin D Production with Patricia Boland of Colorescience

Join Dr. Kay for a deep dive into cosmetic science with Patricia "Trish" Boland, SVP of R&D at Colorescience. This episode explores the critical importance of the skin barrier, its surprising connection to systemic health (including the gut and brain), and the latest innovations in mineral sunscreens that protect against UV, HEV (blue light), and IR. The main focus is a revolutionary new concept: stimulating the skin's own Vitamin D production. Trish explains how a unique chronopeptide can activate the skin's Vitamin D receptors (VDR) and synthesize Vitamin D in keratinocytes and fibroblasts, all without UV exposure, a groundbreaking approach to achieving barrier health and skin luminosity. 

Episode Transcript

Unknown (00:14):
Well, hello. Hello, guys. You're listening to beauty
bites with Dr Kay secrets of aplastic surgeon, and today's
podcast is so super interesting.I want to talk all about
peptides and peptide science,and we're doing it with a
amazing expert. This is PatriciaBoland. We call her Trish. She
leads color science as theSenior Vice President of R and D

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and quality, and she has a hugeexperience in product innovation
and development, and I love howcosmosetically elegant all the
color science products are, andshe's one of the people that's
responsible for the form, thefinal formulations of these
amazing, patented, award winningproducts, some of my favorite
sunscreens out there. But Ithink today's podcast is

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particularly interesting becausewe're going to talk about the
role of vitamin D the skinbarrier, and how your skin makes
its own vitamin D if you get theright exposures and the right
boosters. And she is a beautifulsecond generation Texan wife a
mother of two. She's a boss atcolor science, and she's also

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even worked at Laura Merciercosmetics as chief beauty
director, and I think she bringsso much interest and interesting
innovation to what we're doingin cosmeceuticals. So welcome to
the podcast, Trish.
Thank you so much. It's great tobe with you. I'm always honored
and excited to spend more timewith you. So thank you.

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Yeah, Trish is one of myfavorite people at meetings to,
like, escape the meeting and gosit somewhere and just talk.
Likewise. Likewise. What are wedoing for our lifestyle,
longevity and, like, great,latest and greatest supplements,
products and things that we'retrying? So talk to us a little
bit. You Bet you've had thisremarkable career going from
Laura Mercier to over to colorscience, and here at color

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science really leading researchand development and innovation
with brand new ingredients. Andwhat are the ingredients that
are you're so excited about thisyear? Gosh,
there. There have been a few.You know, we're always meeting
with different ingredientsuppliers. And, you know, we
have some that that we reallylean into a lot, because they do

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so much, so much clinicalstudying on their ingredients.
They look at them in differentdosages. And you know, they know
that that is one of theprerequisites for using a an
ingredient in one of ourformulas is that we need to know
that it has clinical evidence.We need to know at what dosage

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does it provide, what benefit.And so, you know, a lot of times
we get access to them first. Andare, you know, constantly
looking at the pipeline andlooking at, where can we use
this? Where is it going to makethe greatest impact? What is it
synergistic with? And so therehave been some really cool

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peptides we've seen in the lastfew years. There have been a lot
of great botanical extracts too.You know, I think we're seeing
this resurgence of botanicals.And, you know, some of these
fantastic properties that theycan offer to our skin and our
skin processes. So that's, Ithink, what I'm most excited

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about. And then the synergy, youknow, of those together. And
then, of course, with sun caretoo.
I love that color science isdefinitely a leader in mineral
sunscreens. What are some of thebiggest innovations that you've
seen in this space? Because youguys have recently come out with
a bunch of products that havegone viral and are just so
usable and so beautiful andgreat for skin.

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Yeah, thank you. Thank you forthat. Thank you for that. You
know, I think it's, it's justfinding technology partners that
understand your mission. Youknow, our mission is to be sure
that we create ways that SPFbecomes a daily habit. It
becomes, you know, as intuitiveas brushing our teeth or taking

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a shower, or, you know, gettingdressed. And so we look for ways
that we can incorporate wearingsun protection in everyday life.
I always say the best product issomething that you can live in,
and to me, that means that youdon't really have to think about
it. It is very intuitive, andit's something that you like the

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way it makes you feel, or youlike the way it makes you look,
and if those things are true,you will continue to reach for
it. And so I think the biggestinnovations have been these
unique zinc oxide dispersions,so that they go into different
formulas. And. A verycosmetically elegant way. You

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don't have the white cast thatused to be associated with
minerals. The texture is nice.It's not drying on the skin. It
doesn't feel heavy or occlusive.And then I think the the benefit
of being able to combine thingslike zinc oxide, you know,
mineral SPF active with thingslike iron oxides that are

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delivering not only immediatecolor. So you have that cosmetic
benefit, cosmetic enhancement,but you also have the benefit of
the HEV protection. You know, weknow that both zinc oxide but
also iron oxides help withprotecting the skin against blue
light, and while we get the mostof it from outdoor exposure, sun

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exposure, it's the cumulativepart that we also have to think
about. So, you know, a lot oftimes people will say, Well, I'm
inside all day. You know, Idon't even have a commute. I
work from home, and so I don'treally, you know, feel like I
need SPF every day, but we'retrying to create products that
are doing more, you know, goingbeyond just the UV going into

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HEV, going into into IRpollution protection. So there
have been a lot of really cooladvancements in mineral
sunscreens in the last fewyears.
Love that. I think that is socritical. Do you Do you think
that sunscreens will evolve toallow full spectrum light to

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come into the skin with whilesimultaneously protecting
against damage.
I hope, I hope so. I think thatthat would be so cool. But, you
know, a lot of what what you seebrands doing now, a lot of what
we do at color science is thattotal protection. So it may not
be with just one active but, youknow, I think we've seen that

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zinc oxide, for example, zincoxide is really strong in the
UVA part of the spectrum, but italso has strong attenuation in
the UVB. That's why you see, youknow, formulas that are using
only zinc oxide for the SPFprotective benefit. But then you
also, like I was saying before,you can combine that with

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different levels of the yellowand the red and the black iron
oxides, and that, combined withzinc oxide, is also giving you
HEV. And then we do know thatsome of those iron oxides do
have attenuation benefits outinto the IR part of the
spectrum. So I think right now,not necessarily one ingredient

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that does all of it, but I thinkthat there are a good
combination of ingredientsreadily available today that we
can use in the right amounts,the right dosages to still get a
really nice, you know, completebroad spectrum attenuation, but
also have a Nice, you know,esthetic benefit, have textures

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that you can wear and that youwant to wear.
I love that. So there's been alot of talk this year about skin
barrier and how important theskin barrier is to keep it
intact and replenished. Skinbeing your biggest organ. Can
you talk a little bit about skinbarrier?
Yeah, I think, I think skinbarrier is something. Skin

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Barrier, I think, has become alittle bit of a buzzword in the
last few years, but I think, youknow, for those of us that are
in the industry, we think ofskin barrier as making sure that
our skin is protected, makingsure that it has really the
fundamentals. I think of it thatway. We've got to be sure that

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we're keeping the skin hydrated.We have to be sure that collagen
and elastin is still beingproduced, and that it's quality
collagen and elastin. We have tothink about things like skin
cell turnover, and you know,that slows down as as we age. So
we want to be sure that we'repaying attention to that, that

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we're focusing on things thatare regenerating skin, that are
helping it to heal and repair.So I think even though barrier
health skin barrier has become aterm or a buzzword that we're
hearing a lot more in the lastfew years. I think it really
just comes down tofundamentally, what are the

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things that we can do for ourskin and I think it also a and
I'd be interested to know if youagree with agree with us. I
think it lends itself to such awide range of skin types. You
know, it's, it's not somethinglike hyperpigmentation or
redness rosacea, that's moretargeted barrier health is

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something that we all need. Weall need to be focused on. And
it, it should be, I think, verymuch kind of table stakes for.
Or, you know, a skin careformulation.
Yeah, the more we learn aboutskin and in the longevity space,
the more important. I think thatbarrier is because this whole
idea of the skin being connectedwith the GI tract being

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connected with the brain, like,there was a really interesting
study that showed patients in anursing home when they just had
skin barrier repair, like,literally, something so simple
as putting a good lipidemollient on their extremities
every day that their dementia
improved and they had tocontrol, wow, so crazy.

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Like, is that the humaninteraction of massaging it in?
I think it's more than that. Iliterally think that this, you
know, the crate texture and theloss of trans epidermal water
and, like, the exposure toorganisms and inflammatory
mediators that come in throughyour skin, like, right,
the immune defense piece of it,and then, yeah, that was
so super interesting. So I thinkthere's such a big gut, brain

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connection and connection to theskin, of course, and we've seen
this that when we improve thebarrier, the symptom,
inflammatory symptoms, go down,right, like rosacea, right? Get
calming effect. And then we seethe opposite to where our
patients do too much on theirskin, like too much retinol, too
much Retin A, too much needling,lasering, like not giving the

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barrier yes to regenerate. So Ithink that's super important as
well.
Yeah, I think so too, because Ithink our skin fatigues right
when we're doing so many thingsto it, and there you we have to
give it time to heal. We have togive it time to repair. And we,
you know, have to give it all ofthose things that it needs in

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order to function as optimizedas possible. And so I think
you're right. I think we've andit's got to be a in a the right
harmony, right the the kind ofthe right consistency of of it
all
Exactly. Now you guys have comeout with a recent solution to
some barrier issues. Let's talkabout that, because that's so

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exciting. It has both barrierrepair function as well as kind
of stimulating skin's productionof vitamin D levels.
Yes, absolutely. So before I getinto the brand new one, just to
sort of back up a little to howwe came about this concept. And
this idea is, you know, to yourpoint point barrier health,

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we're talking a lot more aboutit and understanding that it is
a primary need, a fundamentalneed, for all of our skins. And
so about a year ago, maybe alittle more than a year, we
launched our barrier proplatform of products, and so we
just launched with a cleanserand a moisturizer. But the the

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moisturizer, especially, it's somuch more than a moisturizer,
and we call it our essentialmoisturizer, and that's because
it has essentially a hydration,moisturization complex. It has a
microbiome complex. So we have apre, a pro and a post biotic in

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the formula. And then we alsohave ingredients that we refer
to as I know you've heard us saythis adaptive response. And to
us, adaptive response meansthere are so many ingredients
that are able to help our skinrespond better to certain, you
know, things. So the opsins inour skin that respond to light.

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So there's an ingredient, ahydrolyzed pea protein, that is
helping with the DNA repairpathways and helping our skin to
better respond when we'reexposed to light. So it helps to
our skin to defend itself morereadily, more aptly. And so I

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think you know this approach ofhaving all of those together,
it's, again, so much more than amoisturizer, and I mentioned
that we did a cleanser as well.And so this next step was
launching a serum spray. And sowe wanted something that could
be delivered in a slightly, youknow, different delivery method.

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So serums, you think oftypically, you know, pumping in
your hand and massaging theminto the skin. We wanted
something that you could sprayon, but something that you could
use, not just for your face. Youcould use it for face, for neck,
for decollete. I mean, you couldspray it on your shoulders,
really, anywhere. And ourthought was, let's infuse it

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with those same barrier repair,barrier health ingredients, the
hydration, the microbiome,piece, the adaptive response.
But can we take the adaptiveresponse a step further? And so
being that we, you know, offerso many mineral SPF options,

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what we hear a lot is, well,what about my vitamin D? What
about my vitamin. D, and we knowthat most of us are either
deficient or deficient and haveinsufficient vitamin D, meaning,
not only do we not have enoughof it, but that that that we do
have isn't working asefficiently as possible, for,

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you know, one reason or another.And so as we were looking at
different ingredients andlooking at different
opportunities to address this,we came across a very unique
Chrono peptide ingredient thathas great synergy with a plant
cell, nectar that comes from asucculent plant, and together,

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these two have the ability tonot only make vitamin D receptor
activation more consistent, butalso to help increase the
synthesis of vitamin D in bothour fibroblast and in our
keratinocytes. So actually beingable to provide, you know,

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vitamin D synthesis to thecells, and it was just such a
kind of aha moment for us,seeing these two ingredients,
learning about them again,looking at the dosages that the
ingredient suppliers hadstudied, but then also looking
at, how can they be reallymeaningful in a product that is

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offer, also offering thathydrolyzed p protein that's
helping those light repairpathways. And so that's where
this concept was born, and theidea that you don't have to just
be outside in order to triggerthe vitamin D receptor

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activation and to start thatprocess of synthesizing vitamin
D.
I think a lot of people are notaware that vitamin D that you
take as an oral supplementexists and goes down fully
different metabolic pathwaysthan the vitamin D that your
skin, right internally, makesand produces. Can you talk a

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little bit about that, like,what's Yeah,
so you know that was interestingfor us also. So many of us are
taking some type of Vitamin Dsupplement, but that vitamin D
supplement that we're ingestingis, you know, processed through
our liver, and it's verydifferent from the vitamin D

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that is created in our skin. SoI actually, as I was was digging
into this, I didn't realize howmuch of the vitamin D is
actually created by our skin andthen used by our skin. So about
90% of the vitamin D, that is,you know, that we're we're using

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that our body is using, iscreated in the skin. And so, to
your point earlier, our skin isour largest organ, when you
think about it, and you havethose facts that really does
make sense, and it also makessense, you know, maybe why so
many of us are vitamin Ddeficient, or have insufficiency
in our vitamin D production, andso when we are exposed, and so I

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miss I mentioned UV becausesunlight is A trigger. We hear
vitamin D called the sunshine.Vitamin sunlight is a trigger.
And so what happens is, thesunlight triggers, or activates
our vitamin D receptors in ourskin cells, and then that kicks

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off, you know, an entire processof activating those receptors,
those receptors then are able toact as vitamin D can then act
as, you know, co factors, and iscreated in our skin, and we can
see that it's both in ourkeratinocytes and our
fibroblast. There are evenvitamin D receptors on our

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melanocytes. And so
you don't realize that, I didn'trealize that fibroblasts are
making vitamin D,
right? And so we, as we startedlooking at this and going, Well,
what kind of things, you know, Ialways think to myself, this,
that's so cool. But then, whatdoes that mean? What does that
look like on the skin? Because,you know, there are lots of

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things that that we could sprayon or that we could massage on,
but at the end of the day, we'relooking for some kind of sign of
of change or sign ofimprovement. And so as we
started studying this more andmore, we saw things like
improved circulate, like microcirculation in the skin and

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better oxygenation of the skin.And so what does that look like?
We saw things like redness startto improve, start to be reduced.
We saw things like areas ofmaybe poor micro circulation. So
you know. I automatically thinkabout my dark circles around my
eyes and and things like that.We saw that start to improve. We

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saw luminosity in the skin startto improve. We saw things like
Not, not necessarily, yet,because the initial study we
did, I should mention, was afour week study. It was a four
week in you study. We wanted touse it on subjects that were
either using, you know, maybemore novice and we're using very

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straightforward skin careregimens. And then we also
wanted to use it on, you know,people like you and I that are,
that are have access to a lot ofdifferent treatments, and, you
know, are using a lot ofdifferent, maybe more advanced,
skin care options. And in bothgroups, we saw things like
improvement in skin what lookedlike skin tautness, one of the

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studies called it skin tonicity.So not necessarily, necessarily
meaning color of the skin, butlike, if you think of tone when
you exercise and your musclesget toned, you know, just the
kind of the overall quality ofour skin. And so we saw
improvements in that where it'stoo early, you know, four weeks
is really too early to startseeing collagen start to build.

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But I think the combination ofthe improved microcirculation
and oxygenation and hydrationthat's also happening as as a
result of vitamin D synthesisand all of this started almost
mimicking, if I could use that,that kind of word, started
mimicking the look of stronger,firmer skin, just the overall

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quality, smoothness, pore sizewas improved. So it was we've
got more studies that we'restarting right now, but that was
a real, you know, eye opener forfor us to to see all of the
things, all of the ways thatvitamin D can impact the look
and the quality of our skin.

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So for me, that implies that Iwill put this spray on in the
mornings, first layer, but I'mstill going to be putting
sunscreen on top of that, like,what is that going to impact the
sun exposure and themagnification of the vitamin D
production, because some UVB isnecessary to make vitamin D.

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It's not so, yeah. So I'm soglad you mentioned this. So the
way that we recommend using itis, as you said, you know, after
so morning and evening, after wecleanse our skin, this is going
to be one of the first thingsyou put on, put on. So if you're
putting on a toner or somethingthat requires, you know, you to
wipe something on, then youwould do that first. But this

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would come next, and you want togive it a moment to absorb into
the skin. But then you do, youknow, the rest of your skin care
regimen, absolutely, we're goingto want to do SPF. But then if
you do go out and you're exposedto to UV, and we're worried,
right? You're you mentioned,well, the SPF is sort of, it's

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it's shielding, it's protectingfrom that UV. So how is the
vitamin D being synthesized? Andso that's where this unique
chronoppeptide. This peptideingredient is really unique and
differentiated, because it hasthe ability to keep that vitamin

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D receptor activated even ifyou're not exposed to UV so that
means that at night, when we'resleeping, we're not exposed to
UV or even you don't have to besleeping. You're just the sun
has gone down, and you know,there is no UV exposure. There
is still a vitamin D receptoractivation happening, which

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means that you can, you have theability to continue synthesizing
the vitamin D that then combinedwith this plant cell nectar that
I mentioned, comes from asucculent plant. And this plant
has the ability to regulate itsits its water capacity, its

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water content. It has theability to protect itself
against UV but most importantly,we saw at different dosages, it
has the ability to increasevitamin D synthesis, and it was
studied in both keratinocytesand fibroblasts. It also has the
ability, I mentioned thehydration piece to increase the

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tissue water index, so we havemore hydration in our skin as
well. And so when you have thosetwo together, and it was studied
with an SPF 50 cream, which Ithought was so brilliant and so
unique. Being that, you knowwe're, we're really trying to

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make daily SPF a habit as I, asI shared now, you have this
really unique ability that youdon't need UV to trigger that
vitamin D, vitamin D receptoractivation. You don't need that
to happen, because you've gotthis unique chronoptide, and
then you have this plant cellnectar that is helping with your

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reserves of vitamin D andhelping to hydrate the skin
through that tissue, you know,water index measurements. And so
we can see that that ishappening, and then it's leading
to all of these great benefitsthat you can see in terms of
your your barrier health andyour skin quality.

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That's so fascinating that wewent to the desert to find a
plant that, probably throughmillions of years of evolution,
developed this characteristicbecause it has to avoid getting
scorched and like, right retainwater, and so this peptide kind
of fits like a lock and keyright into that human vitamin D,
you know, trigger and whateverreceptor is prompting the

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production of vitamin D. That'sso interesting. Do you see blood
levels change of vitamin D? Orwe haven't gone that far yet.
We haven't gone that far. We areheading into that next so we are
just now kicking off. I should,I shouldn't say just now kicking
off. We've actually been workingon the protocol for quite some
time, but we are about to start.We are starting with the subject

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enrollment. We're using a thirda third party lab, and our
starting subject enrollment, andwe will look at, not only blood
serum levels for the vitamin Dpiece, but we're also looking at
different microbiome benefitsthat this this ingredient,
because it still has that prePro and post biotic. And we know

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that the the synergy between ourbarrier, our microbiome, you
know, vitamin D, synthesis, allof those things work to work
together. It's important tohave, you know, a healthy,
balanced microbiome, so that youknow, as we're creating vitamin
D in the skin that all of theseprocesses are optimized. So part

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of the study will be not onlythe serum levels, not only the
microbiome piece, but then alsolooking at some instrumentation
data, looking at hydrationlevels in the skin, looking at
any changes in for example,redness, skin tone, elasticity,
firmness, those kinds of things.So I'm really excited for that

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to kick off. It's going to be alonger study. This one is a 12
week study across, you know,many subjects, I think it's 30
subjects that we're going with,and so that, you know, we'll be
excited to share that data oncewe get it.
That's exciting. I think it's soimportant in this industry
that's really filled with a lotof marketing hype, that brands

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like color science, you guys arevery good at investing in
clinical studies and actual datato kind of build trust with
physicians and consumers.
I think you have to, I mean, Ireally think that clinical
studies today are their tablestakes. You You have to be able
to really demonstrate what yourproduct is doing, and sometimes

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also what it's not doing. And Ithink that we at color science
are in a in a unique situation,because we sell, as you know,
direct to to the consumer, butwe also sell directly to you as
the you know physician, as theskin health professional. And so
we have to make sure that whenwe're creating a new product,

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that we've looked at thescience, not just of the
ingredients, but what is thatbiological process that the
ingredient or that the complexor the product itself is
targeting, and then, how do weprove it to you? How do we prove
it to you as the professional?And are we able to, you know,
speak that same language and toproperly articulate what what

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the product benefit is, but alsobeing able to distill that a bit
and explain to the consumer whythis is a meaningful addition to
to their daily routine and whatthose benefits are. So I think
again, clinicals, we reallypride ourselves not only on

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studying the products that we'rebringing to market, but studying
them in unique ways so that wecan articulate the benefit and
how that fits into someone'sroutine.
This product is going to beamazing. I love the thinking
that's gone in. To it like justthe concept of putting a
prebiotic and a postbiotic and aprobiotic, all of that in one

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bottle. And yeah, love that. Ituses peptides, which are some of
the strongest communicatingmolecules in our body. I
think they're the best, yeah. Imean, yeah, they're the best.
And there are so many peptides,you know, we're seeing so many
of them, so making sure that thedelivery is there and that we're
able to deliver them where weneed them. But yeah, we we love

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peptides. We turn to peptides alot. And you know, most peptides
work in the dermis, but we haveanother peptide that we use and
some of our other products, it'sactually in our barrier Pro,
essential moisturizer that worksspecifically in the epidermis.
So I think we'll continue to seea lot of innovation in, you
know, various peptides andcombinations of peptides. So

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very exciting.
That's the year of the peptide.Yeah, I love it. Well,
dermascope Magazine said thatyou were a beauty architect.
What do you think is one of themost important kind of blueprint
for, you know, taking care ofyour skin? Like, if you had to
recommend a single mostimportant piece of advice for

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protection, for the blueprintfor beauty?
Yeah, I think it's SPF. I thinkwe say a lot at color science
that sun care is the first stepto skin care, and that, you
know, really SPF is skin care.I'll tell you, I was not good to
my skin. You know, as as a youngwoman, I loved being in the sun.

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We had a house near the beach,and spent every weekend there.
And, you know, back then itthat's, if you used SPF, you
would use it if you're, youknow, on the beach all day or
something like that. And, and Ijust, I grew up in the in the
time of tanning beds, and, youknow, the the more tan you were,

(32:04):
the more fit you looked. I meancrazy things that when I say
them now, they just soundludicrous, because they are, but
I can tell you, just in the last13 years, even of you know,
being part of color science andleading this innovation team
wearing an SPF 50 every day hasso dramatically changed my skin.

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And, you know, I've done otherthings too, right, but the way
that it has transformed. And soI would, I would just say, you
know, starting with an SPF, Itell my daughter, you know, my
son, the number one thing is towear an SPF every day. And then,
of course, you want to be surethat you're, you know, hydrating
your skin, that you're focusingon barrier health. Antioxidants

(32:54):
are great. I sort of think ofthat as barrier health too. But
I think finding a great, youknow, barrier product that you
love, but also just making sureyou have an SPF that you'll
apply every day, havingsomething that you can reapply
is great as well. But just forsure, sun protection,

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that's right, 90% of aging isfrom the lovely sun. Well, this
has been so fascinating. I hopeeverybody listening got an
insider's peek into the ideas ofvitamin D production coming from
your skin, intrinsically andbeing so important, I think, for
overall skin glow. Thank you.Trish, where can people find you

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if they want to reach out?
Yeah, thank you. So I am onLinkedIn. You can find me
Patricia McGill Boland. You canalso find me at our Instagram.
So you can, you can go to thecolor science, or you can find
me at color science,
Trish. I love it. Well, guys,you heard it here first. It's

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all about vitamin D in the skin.This is, this is new. We only
thought of vitamin A in thepast, and now we're going to
have all these conversationsabout vitamin D, and I'm here
for it. That's it for now. Guys,don't forget to find me on my
instagram. It's Beauty by Doctork, d, r, k, a, y, and our
website is the same. It's Beautyby Doctor kay.com and that's

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where you can learn more andmore about skin longevity and
all the things we're doing forhealth, beauty and wellness.
Love you guys and staybeautiful. You