June 25, 2025 • 55 mins
In this episode, we dive into one of the strangest intersections of cults and pop culture: the story of Tony Alamo, his controversial religious empire, and the flashy, rhinestone-studded jackets that became an unexpected celebrity fashion trend in the 1980s and early ’90s.
References used for this episode:
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/christhiaon-coie-speaks-out-about-her-stepfather-tony-alamo/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ministry-of-evil-the-twisted-cult-of-tony-alamo-review-hell-on-earth-11550785714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamo_Christian_Foundation
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/article/rhinestones-madness-and-resurrected-corpses-the-love-story-of-tony-susan-alamo/
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/tony-alamo-cult-leader-musics-most-famous-jacket/
References used for this episode:
https://www.splcenter.org/resources/reports/christhiaon-coie-speaks-out-about-her-stepfather-tony-alamo/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ministry-of-evil-the-twisted-cult-of-tony-alamo-review-hell-on-earth-11550785714
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamo_Christian_Foundation
https://www.orderofthegooddeath.com/article/rhinestones-madness-and-resurrected-corpses-the-love-story-of-tony-susan-alamo/
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/tony-alamo-cult-leader-musics-most-famous-jacket/
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to Children of the Eighties. I am one
of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined as always
by the lady who still allows me to wear my
member's only jacket. It's my co host and wife, Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I didn't realize that the one you wear now is
the one that you had back then.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah. I still fit in it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You still fit in the same one, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean, I haven't gained any weight at all in
the last thirty five years.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Mine when I was growing up in the eighties was purple, purple, purple.
My dad had a navy blue one and like a
light brown or tan colored one.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I always think of the tan when I think of
rappers only yet.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Right, right, And I still had it until we moved
into this house, my dad's I didn't still have mine.
I still had my dad's the tanlin. We moved into
this house, and then we had a leak in the garage,
and then that led to some other disastrous decisions, and
it got, as we say in the South, ruined rooted.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That is how they say it in the South, folks.
I can't help it, and you know that is what
they say. I would say ruined.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's routed ruined, ruin ruined.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So before we dive deep into the craziness that is
going to be this episode, tell us a little bit
though about what you did this past weekend, because I
think people would like to hear about it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh yeah, I went to I don't know, an expo,
I guess, but it was called the Southern Fried Gaming Expo.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And did they say runt.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
They maybe they said runed. But they had all kinds
of pinball machine and arcade machines there, and all kinds
of vendors that did video games. They had table set
up where you could play any homemade video console that's
ever been made. Atari callco Vision and Television obviously Nintendo,
(02:15):
Super Nintendo, and so on and so forth. It was
really cool. They had a lot of vendors there with
overpriced old school Nintendo or Super Nintendo games or Xbox
games or whatever. Really overpriced, but it was a lot
of fun. You could play any video game that you
wanted for free. Of course, there was a cost to
(02:36):
get in to the place, but you could play any
video game you wanted for free. They had guest speakers there.
In fact, one of our eighties podcast folks, my buddy
Will Padilla. I reached out to him because I saw
that he was going to be a guest speaker there. Wow,
And so I reached out to him to find out
(02:57):
if he was there on Friday night because I was
only there on Friday night and he was actually doing
They were paneling on Saturday and Will host a show
called nineteen eighties. Now okay, so we've exchanged promos with
them in the past. So I saw that he was
(03:18):
on the panel along with his co host, and so
I just reached out to him and was like, hey,
are you here this weekend. I'm here on Friday night.
And he got to me late Friday night and was like, hey,
I'm here, but you know I'm on the panel tomorrow
if you can stop by, And I was like, well,
I can't. I'm recovering from Achilles surgery. And you know this,
(03:39):
like I was there for seven hours, I think a
long time, and I was in a good bit of
discomfort afterwards. Yeah, and a good bit of discomfort on
Saturday too. Yeah. But I will say it was worth it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh it was.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I will say. I left Friday night. I don't know
how if we went through all the weekends. But I
left Friday night with the two highest scores on pac Man.
One of the highest.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Scores on Burger Time Burger Time, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The highest score on Miss pac Many uh, the highest
score on Cubert, although I do have to say that
nobody maybe found that because it was one of those
multikde things, so you'd really have to go search them
for it. And then I rediscovered an old classic that
I absolutely loved it. I had forgot that I loved
rally X, and so it's rally is in r A
(04:24):
L Y Yes, Raley r r A L L Y
dash X and it's a card game. And I ended
up setting the high score on that. And then I
went out for dinner and then came back and came back.
Rally X was right next to the pac Man machine.
So I was like, I'm gonna pick one of the
two while there was a kid at rally X, and
so I picked pac Man. But I look over and
(04:44):
when I say, kid, now, this is how you know
you're old, right?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Was he thirty?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's off my own Yeah, he was thirty ish. Yeah,
And so I'm playing pac Man and I over and
he's dangerously close to my high score. But I can
see he's stressing and he's trying to beat it, and
so I'm trying to put the bad vibes out there
on him, right, and I'm paying more attention to him
than I am my pac Man game. And eventually he
(05:15):
beats my high score. Wow, And I was like, congratulations,
did you just beat my high score? He was like yeah,
it was tough, but you know, and then he died
immediately and he left. And as soon as he left,
I got back on rally. I ignored my pac Man game,
got back on rally.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Why did you have to pee.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
On it and then beat his high score? Because I
have to be the best at everything.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So what is considered a high score with pac Man?
I mean I may have gotten to like round four
or something in my life.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So what I mean, I mean, if you're talking like
the best players that have ever played, it's astronomical.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We're talking about just normal.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Every Joe's probably going to get fifty to seventy five
thousand probably, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean you could have said one hundred.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I would have been like, okay, I showed up in
the average and the high score at that point was
fifty five thousand.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh wow. So how what did you get then.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Two hundred and ten thousand? Oh my gosh, really yeah, yeah,
I almost quadrupled it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, so I need help understanding. This was just a
huge room with rows and rows of videos.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It was several rooms. It was in an old, outdated
mall that is no longer there.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh really yeah okay, And so you just walked up.
Didn't have to have.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
A quarter, nope, just I mean I think some games
were charging quarters, but for the most part they were
all free play. Just walk up and you hit one
player or two player and you start playing.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Did you have hand sanitizer, because yes, there was hand sanitizer.
That many nerds you would definitely need some hand sanitizer,
not a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, there were, uh, there were a bunch of US
nerds there. I include myself in that. And yes, they
did have hand sanitizer. And so every time I left
the room done playing my video games, hand sanitizer.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Good good, good good.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So yeah I didn't I didn't go eat my subway
with with unsanitized video game nerd hands with.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Video game fingers.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes you heard of chicken fingers. I had video game fingers.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh goodness. Well, yeah, all I know is that you
came back and it seemed to have made you happy,
and that's all I care.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I was tired, but yeah, I was in a good mood.
And if I could get paid to do that, well,
this my life would be nirvana.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So you were happy and hobbling.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I was hobbling.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, maybe you can be on the panel next year
and share your video game knowledge.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Oh, I don't. I don't know if they were talking about.
But I don't know what they were talking about. I
guess I'll have to reach out to will it. Will,
if you're listening, reach out to me and let me
know what you talked about.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Maybe it was just eighties goodness.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, that's probably what it was, because you know, all
the arcade games there were from the eighties, or at
least most of them, and then you know there were
pinball machines from all eras, so that wasn't just eighties,
but it was definitely retro. There were definitely a lot
of forty and fifty year old, sixty year old people
there for sure, kind of relive in the low years now.
(08:15):
I literally wanted to stand on top of the pac
Man machine like Cyrus from The Warriors and be like
can you dig it? And then challenge anybody who wanted
to who thought they might be able to take on
the King.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You I think mentioned that you've got to play duck Hunt.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I did eventually because my foot was hurting so bad
because of my ankle, I had to sit down. And
they had seats at these long fold out tables that
had all the old school arcades on there. So they
had a Nintendo there that had Super Mario Brothers and
Duck Hunt, and I was just like, you know what,
let me play some duck Hunt, like I could. You know,
if I got into Super Mario Brothers, I might not
(08:53):
have gotten up for the rest of the night, and
I didn't want to do that, especially since we have
a Nintendo here with me. Mario Brothers. I can play
that anytime I want. So, yeah, I got to play
some duck Hunt. You know, I'm a pretty good shot
with that thing, are you? With that fake gun and
those old TVs and those slow ducks.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
So I got my first Nintendo, I want to say,
for Christmas of eighty nine. And back then, there was
no such thing as decorating your bedroom as a kid,
like you're an interior decorator now. Amythinks that everything's going
to be like going on the cover of some kind
of magazine. Oh yeah, So me growing up, they got
me a little tiny color TV and my first Nintendo
(09:34):
and they got me what the games that came with
it would have been Mario Brothers and Duck Hunt. And
then they got me one additional game, which I asked
you the other day if you'd ever heard of, and
you said no. It was Back to the Future and
Marty McFly had to go in and save people from
whatever catastrophe in the town.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
No, I'm pretty sure i've heard of it. I've just
I never played it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So my his parents went and bought a wooden like
dining room or kitchen table chair at a yard sale,
and that's the chair that I had at my desk,
which my dad then would use when he played Duck Hunt,
because he loved to come into my room and his
tidy whities in the middle of the day, sit down
(10:20):
in that little old rickety wooden chair and play some
Duck Hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, listen, he was a firefighter, so when things went bad,
it was a very stressful job. So I don't blame
him for wanting to relax by shooting some fake ducks
as long as he wasn't shooting the real ones.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Do you blame him for wearing the tidy whities, because
I think I do.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Eighties Dad, I mean Murray Goldberg, right, If he.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Was at home, his home was h like his castle,
it was his kingdom, and he didn't like wearing pants,
and so there were no pants.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well there you go.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, so you've been very busy at work, very stressed
at work. You walk around perpetually looking like you've just
sucked on a lemon, and so I offered this week
to take the rains the rains on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, yes you did. But before you get to that,
here's why I allowed you to get to that, because
today is.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
By what celebrate your birthday. Happened every year, eat a
lot of drink a lot of years.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So that is because today, the release of this episode
is your birthday. So I decided to just go ahead
and give you what you wanted, which was to control
an episode. And once again, I have no clue what
we're doing this morning.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
When I got up forty six years young, forty.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Six years young, See, I wasn't going to say that.
I was going to say that you're celebrating the seventeenth
anniversary of your twenty ninth birthday.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The scary thing is, is I bet you remember my
twenty ninth birthday, don't you?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I remember your thirtieth for sure. I mean, like, okay,
don't where'd the time go?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Don't get me started. So, yes, you finally gave in.
So I love doing our podcast, and I love talking
about reminiscing about the eighties. But my true passion in
life is death, murder, kill.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
True crime. Yes, but before you scare everybody off from
this podcast, this is not a true crime episode of podcast.
We are talking about stuff that happened in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Okay, well, this is a podcast that looks back on
the decade of the nineteen eighties. We talk about things
that were important to us as children and what we
look back on now with fond memories as adults. Ultimately,
this is a nostalgia podcast, so we may be stretching
(12:57):
it just to tad, like what's Wretch Armstrong? Just a tad.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We're going back to the eighties.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh, we are going back to the eighties. We are
going to talk about a fashion trend in the nineteen eighties.
We're just gonna do it with a little bit of death, murder, kill.
I know. Please as my birthday present, fellow children of
(13:29):
the eighties, just hang in here with me. You have
no idea how happy it would make me to know
that you toughed out this episode with Jim.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yes, so tell the folks what you're going to be doing.
You did a deep dive here. This isn't just murder
or crime or death like you did a real deep dive.
And I think you've got a story here to tell,
all right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Story If Elvis, Televangelism and a horror movie had a
love child, it might look a lot like Tony and Susan.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Alamo Alamo, just like Lama, Lama, Red Pajama.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's gonna say it's like gob.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So it's not Alamo, It's Alamo, And I have to
I'll probably every time I say.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It, I'll have to like stop and pause, Yeah, because
just to make sure I get it right.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, it's not where Peewee's bike was kept in the basement.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, No.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
A couple of little things that we're going to touch
on tonight. A cult, a stolen corpse, rhinestone jackets.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like a rhinestone Cowboy and child Brides WHOA Okay, So
first I want to tell you this couple. They were
a They were a horrific and horrible duo that did
the world.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Harm to people. At any point. If we giggle or laugh,
we're not laughing about that situation. I am not going
to focus on that. I would recommend a documentary out
right now on this whole situation. It's on Netflix, and
I would recommend if you really are into stuff like this.
(15:22):
It's a great docuseries. It's called Ministry of Evil, and
that will tell you the ikey, the ikey side of things.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, now I've got to go watch that. I mean good,
You're getting me started on this stuff. I'm curious what's
going on now. So I will be taking a back
seat basically on this podcast because I have no clue
what this story is about. But I will be throwing
in commentary, and if there's giggling and laughing to be done,
it's probably because I'm gonna say something stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
So we're going back in the time machine to the
early eighties where shoulder pads were big and the scandals
were even bigger. We're going back before Tammy Faye baker.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Whoa, there were still probably a lot of more eyeshadow
on the market if we're going back before Tammy.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Fay So Tony Alamo was actually born Bernie Lazarre Hoffman,
and he met Susan, a strong willed businesswoman already dabbling
in psychic readings.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well there's your problem, right there is named Bernie, so
you'd think of weekend at Bernie's and Bernie madeoff.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
They met in California during the nineteen sixties. Together they
created the Alamo Christian Foundation and again recruiting lost souls.
Back in the late seventies, it was the Jesus Movement,
and a lot of good came from the Jesus Movement,
but unfortunately a lot of people were preyed upon during
that time, and so they found their fame and fortune
(16:53):
through the hippies in California during the seventies.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Were they Jim Jones disciples?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Very similar? They're very similar. So what started, though, is
a street ministry between this couple quickly morphed into a cult. Okay,
so let me back up just a little bit and
let me give you a backstory about this couple. So,
Susan had a daughter from a previous relationship who was
(17:22):
a teenager, and they would get to the point where
they would be basically starving and they would be getting
food out of the dumpsters to eat. And that's when
Susan would say, put on your dress. We're gonna go
do a church. And what that means is we're gonna
go scam a church. Yeah, And they would go in
and tell the story, now their sob story. The daughter
(17:44):
had a beautiful singing voice, and she would sing and
Susan would make up a story about how God had
told her to come to this church, and how she
made up a story about how he had changed her
life and all he had done for her. Yet she
had fallen on hard times and if they would just
help her out, that's all she needed to get back
on her feet. And that's how they made their money.
(18:05):
So they were sitting at a bar one night, now,
thirteen year old daughter with her mama in the bar.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh sounds like my mom.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And in Walt Tony Alamo. He was going around at
this point claiming that he was some big, great promoter
who had promoted the Beatles. Mick Jagger had asked him
to promote the Rolling Stones, but he was too busy
and he had to turn him down.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, you always turned down Mick Jagger whenever you get
a chance.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Uh. He was just a scummy, scummy person. At this point,
he was living with a young girl who was pregnant
with his child. So he comes in and Tony and
Susan lock eyes in that bar for the first time.
And this is how the daughter describes that encounter. He
(18:59):
comes over to the table and sits down, and he
starts saying how I promoted the Beatles, and I promoted
this guy and that guy, and I promoted Sonny and Cheer.
And then Susan says, well, I'm an actress, I've been
around the studio for years, and my daughter's a singer.
And he says, why I just hurt her tape. I
know she's fantastic. The daughter says, looking back and forth,
(19:21):
it's like watching a tennis match of just lies back
and forth, of these people just telling one lie to
each other after another. So he excuses himself, he goes
to the restroom. She tells the daughter he and I
are leaving together in a few minutes, and you're not
to come home tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
She's thirteen.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
He comes back to the table, sits down. She looks
at him and she says, Tony, I've got to ask
you a question. Did you know that Jesus Christ is
coming back to Earth again? And he looks deep into
her eyes and says, why, yes, Susan, I do know.
But how did you know that, Susan? And she says, well,
(20:06):
let's go up to my apartment and talk about it
a little bit. And that, my friends, is how the
Tony and Susan Alamo Foundation started.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So two people lying.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
To each other, bs in each other, back and forth,
they had like found their match in each other.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So I have some news for you. If you know,
I were to ever like get hit by a bread
truck or a meteor or something, and you're out at
the bar looking to pick up dudes. Any guy who
comes up and immediately starts bragging about what he's done
and what he knows, he's no good.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, you know, she was down on her lock. And
maybe I mean I don't think she was buying his bs,
but maybe she was hoping some of the BS was.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
True, or maybe she realized that their BS together could
create an empire.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know what, I bet you're right. So they started
out in California, where they spent the late sixties into
the seventies. At some point, though, when they became a
little more cultish, they moved their headquarters to Arkansas, Arkansas,
to a compound that included a mansion for them. Now
(21:20):
the cult followers are living in the compound. They are
living in the mansion, which had a heart shaped swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I don't see what's wrong with the heart shaped swoo oh,
We've got one in our backyard right now.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't see what's wrong with it, except for the
fact the followers lived communally. They endured regular beatings, starvation,
and they were separated from other family members. They were
told that Tony was a prophet and that the Vatican
was responsible for all the evil in the world, including communism, Nazism,
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and even the Jonestown massacred. So Susan went around very
often in the early days giving people a sob story
about how she had cancer and she needed money for
her cancer treatment. Well, karma eventually caught up with her,
and Susan didn't ultimately get cancer, and she died of
(22:19):
that cancer in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh wow, so she didn't even she didn't even really
get to see thriller.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No she did, she didn't get to stick around for
very much of it. She passed away in nineteen eighty two.
Now she was definitely the brains behind the organization, and
Tony quickly convinced everybody that she was gonna rise from
the dead.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
That happens a lot in modern times, so.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
He kind of went full tilt. Instead of burying her,
he had her embalmed and he placed her on a
table in the middle of their dining room.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So if she's going to rise from the dead, but
she's embalmed, she isn't gonna have any blood to rise
from the dead.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
See, you're too smart to fall for a cult. For
six months, followers, especially the children, were made to keep
watch over her and pray continuously, and each day that
she didn't rise from the dead, they would get beaten
by Tony for it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So Tony was not only evil, he was clearly delusional.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well yeah, I mean, to say the least. He definitely
unraveled after she died, and his teachings quickly became I mean,
and they were dangerous to begin with, but they quickly
became more dangerous. So and this is where now the
story really starts to stand out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh it's not standing out already.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yes, after Susan's death and he realizes, you know, at
some point six months in she's not going to rise
back from the dead. He does put her in a mausoleum,
in a heart shaped mausoleum. He's all about the heart
shapes apparently, So so that's where she goes. He falls
in love with someone else, I mean, is that possible.
(24:12):
I don't know. He falls in love with someone else,
they marry, but yet he quickly says, you get a
little nose job, and if you do a little chin
thing here, maybe we do something to your cheekbones.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
He's trying to make her look like Susan.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And then he's gonna say she.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Rose from the dead.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yes, exactly exactly. So this lady quickly figured out what
was going on and she high tailed it for the hills.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Its good for her. So she probably got lost in
the ozarks.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, so let's talk a little bit about how does this.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
How does this relate to the eighties?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yes, Tony had during the bulk of the eighties about
thirty businesses that the cult members worked at. Initially, they
didn't get paid until the government found out, so then
they started getting paid for their work, but then they
(25:12):
were pressured into turning their paychecks back over to Tony,
So they were being held slaves essentially, and it was
free labor for him. When you think like crazed cult leader,
do you think fashion?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, I don't either. But in the early nineteen eighties,
Tony launched Tony Alamo of Nashville, a designer label featuring
flashy jackets that sold for up to five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Why of Nashville?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
They were pure glam, pure tackiness, and pure rhinestones. That's
why nash was.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Glenn Campbell one of his No but that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Should help you understand why Nashville. Okay, let's talk a
little bit about these worn by Dolly Parton.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Working not by captain by so chicking and no giving.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
They just use your by and then never give you credit.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Do you know what I heard?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
That Dolly Parton. You know what I heard this week
about her? What's that she's getting ready to do? Like
a six show residency in Las Vegas. That can be
my birthday presence.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, let's go to Vegas for Dolly parton, Dolly, I'm
assuming didn't know or nobody knew about the slave labor
that this guy was using.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing. And I have done
so much research on this, obviously, I don't think the
celebrities knew, but nobody can really offer even a explanation.
So Dolly, pardon who I love and I forgive her
for this faux pas. I'll still love her.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You shut your mouth. Michael Jackson did not have his jackets, honey.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
He wored on the cover.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Of Bad, which is why you just played Bad.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes, that is exactly why.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So Michael Jackson. Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Michael
Jackson knew about it. You wouldn't afraid to have kids
in his compound either.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, So these jackets were very, very like typical eighties
acid washed graffiti looking type designs all over the back,
the sleeves, then the little like rhine stones individually sewed
on or glued on. I don't know how they did it.
(28:23):
The jacket that he wore on the cover of the
Bad album was a little bit different from that.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yes, that was leather or faux leather or something.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It was definitely against the normal look of the Alamo fashion.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Do I have a question about leather? Like, leather will
shrink if it's out in like the rain, right, if
it gets wet, leather will shrink. Why don't cow shrink
when they're out there?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
How do you know they don't?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Oh? I guess technically, I don't know, But I would
think that I would have learned that in school.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You think that they would teach you that in school.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Well, I would think so. Kyle start out really big,
but because their hide is made of leather, they shrink
as they get older during monsoon season.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You were insane, Okay, mister T.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
A pity of the fool who doesn't wear my jacket?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Mister T had a jacket.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Do you know what kind of jacket he had? Did
he cut off the sleeves.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It would only make sense if it was like the
US flag or something across the back, right, can you
I can't picture mister T in anything.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He had to have cut off the sleeves, That's all
I'm saying. He had to show his guns.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Was it Camo?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, the Camo jacket. I felt like it. Maybe it
was like a jing jacket that he cut off sleeves.
But I guess it could have been a Camo jacket.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. They were all denim. But
I'm just saying, was it like Camo prints?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh who knows? Did it say the A team on
the back.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
It did not say the A team.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
They say clubber Lang on the back.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
It did not. Cogan had one oh yeah, brother, but
one eighties musician.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Hundred tools.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
That's right. Falco got married in his Alamo jacket. Gee really, yes,
I'm sending you a picture right now. When you get
this picture, zoom in at the oddity Falco.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know, it doesn't surprise me that he wore it't
during his wedding. I feel like he was missing a
letter from his name.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
He lived in that thing, so it was a It said.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Oh did them with the Texas lone star? Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yes, and the one sleeve down the sleeve it says Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Was Falco was German, not Texans.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Okay, let me give you the Let me give.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You what this Texas because his last name was Alamo.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Let me send you with the back of this jacket.
Looked like we'll post it. I'm gonna post it on
social media too, so people can see.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Malcolm didn't do too bad for himself.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
There is that? Not the weirdest wedding photo you've ever seen?
It is they look like they're not even in the
same like space.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It doesn't look like no, they're It's very much like
a prom picture where the girl doesn't want to be
going with the guy. She just said yes so she
could go to brom.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Right because she wanted to go get dressed up and dance. Yes, okay,
did you see the one where I sent you? That's
the back I did. It's got Texas and what else?
Is it? A bucking bronco?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
A bucking bronco? Do you think they were at Gillies?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I mean it looks like something you would wear at Gillies.
I can't tell. Down at the bottom, is that a
picture of the Alamo?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yes? It is?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Jeez. Okay. So these cult members, including children and mostly children,
were forced to work in sweatshop like conditions to produce
these jackets, long hours, no pay, all in the name
of religion. After all, the clothes that the company were
producing for Alamo celebrity contacts back in California had to
(32:57):
come from somewhere. So by the mid eighteen eighties, those
clothes the jackets included were being made in an industrial
space where workers undertook punishing twenty hour days.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You know, they outlawed that back in the eighteen hundreds, right,
people used to have to work twelve hour days, seven
days a week, and then they cut it down to
six days a week, and then eventually we got the
forty hour work week, because you know, it just wasn't
fair to the human.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So they could only eat whatever they were able to
find in dumpsters, and they could only flush their toilets
a set number of times a day to keep the
water bills down.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, So not only was he not paying them, he
wasn't feeding them either. Why did they stay?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think if you can figure that out, I might
call you doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor doctor. Okay, So Tony
realized that the children, their little fingers were best suited
to glue on the rhinestones, So the children did the
(34:10):
bulk of the work on the jacket.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Amy get in here.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
At some point the Feds were onto him. Took him
a little while, took them a little while longer than
I believe that it probably should have.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But when you say, at some point, do you have like,
I'm not looking for an exact date, but just like
a year like in the nineties. Oh wow, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But he wasn't leaving Susan behind. He had to go
on the run, but not without Susan. Was on the
lamb with Susan, broke open the mausoleum and took Susan
with him.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Didn't Susan stink by then?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I don't know how that works. I would think so.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Was Susan a skeleton by then?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So Tony and dead Susan are on the run from
the Feds by this point.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I've had some I've dated some dead Susans.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Ultimately, at the end of the day, when he was
finally caught, prosecuted, sentenced, he received one hundred and seventy
five year prison sentence because he was quote unquote marrying
the young girls that were part of the cult.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, he deserves every one of those hundred and seventy
five And you know what, I think that once he's dead,
they should leave him in prison with his embalmb body
next to Susan.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So some of the things that he face, charges for
tax evasion, obviously.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They all compone him. Did they all compone him? What
do you mean, like they couldn't get al Capone on
the rico laws, even though there weren't rico laws back then.
But they couldn't get him on like murder or anything
like that. So eventually they got him on tax evasion
just so they could send him to well right.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And they got him because these quote unquote wives that
were eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old traveled with
him as his wife, and so he crossed state lines with.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Them, oh all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So that's that's one way that they were able to
like nab him. It's interesting to me, and I couldn't
find a whole lot of information on this, but a
man with that many again, I always say quote unquote
wives that with a man with that many wives has
there have to be a lot of children out there,
I would think, unfortunately, and I just wonder, now where
(36:37):
are they in life. I didn't really see a whole lot.
I think it's a TLC TV show. I don't know
if it's still on. It used to be on called
Seeking a Seeking Sister Wives or something like that. And she,
one of the ladies on that show, said that she
was one of his daughters. But that's the only person
(36:58):
that I could find that would actually claim him as
a dad, So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Sure nobody else wants to claim him.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
He ultimately died in prison in twenty seventeen. He was
arrested in two thousand and eight, so he did get
some time in prison, but not as long as one
would have hoped for. Where the cult stands today, it's
maybe still out there, maybe not. They still have an
(37:25):
active web page. They never appointed a successor, and they're
not really active on the web page, so it's hard
to know what happened to all those.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean, is there like a meetingplace like Colts dot
com or something like I active on the on the
website like Colts have websites on.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, really, yes, they have a website. I went to
it in all of my research, like the Alamo Foundation
dot com or something like that. So Lamo jackets, sadly,
I've come back in style to some extent. A lot
(38:06):
of rap artists can be seen wearing the Miley Cyrus
has been seen wearing them. Let's just hope maybe that
they don't understand where these jackets came from and that
it's more of like, oh, this is a very cheesy
eighties retro thing to wear.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think we should ask them if they know where
they came from, and if they admit yes, then they
get to serve out the one hundred and seventy five years.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I know because literally children's blood are on those jackets. Yes,
it's that so flashy, iconic and tied to some of
music's biggest names then and now, yet born from coercion
inside a cult. Do you think this is a reminder
that sometimes what glitters isn't just gold? It could be
(38:58):
a warning.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I think led Zeppelin said something about that, and I
know smash Mouth did. All that glitters is gold.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So I'm curious who's heard of these Alamo jackets.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I bet there's people out there that have they unless
they grew up as a celebrity, I'm assuming they didn't
own any well.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Right, because then they were going for They.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Were super expensive five thousand dollars back then. So if
you go back and watch like an old price is
right from the eighties, brand new cars were like anywhere
from six to eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So, okay, here's what I'm thinking. Okay, this is like,
take this with a grain of salt, but this is
what I'm thinking. He did so This guy was evil,
but I think he was also probably super smart in
some weird, twisted, demented way. Oh yeah, I believe he
gave these celebrities these jackets to wear, and they would
(39:59):
wear that, there would be photographed in them, and then
the everyday person might go out and buy it because
they wanted to have a jacket like Madonna or whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, that's your marketing campaign.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think these celebrities were oblivious to the backstory there.
I just I'm sure I think somebody in their group
handed them a jacket as hideous as the jacket is
to my eyes today, in the eighties, I'm assuming it
was trendy and they wore it and had no clue.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I bet, I bet only Falco probably knew.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
No doubt Falcon knew, There is no doubt in my mind.
And I want to know how long did that marriage last?
Five minutes?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Uh, let me look at the picture again. But I
might give them. I'm going to give them eleven months.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, I could see that Bill Clinton before he became
pressed it what was he in Arkansas governor before he
wasn't was? What was he before governor? Attorney general? I
think so the Alamos had a I want to I
keep wanting to call it a supper club in Arkansas,
but it's where you would go eat dinner and and
(41:17):
and watch a performance.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, okay, And if that's the case, I'd like to
belong to a supper club.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I don't think that that's the right terminology. Over the
stage of the supper club is a big picture with
a tacky ornate gold frame of who.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Do you think Hillary and Falco?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Ronnie Millsap? Really Ronnie Millsap? A huge picture of Ronnie
Millsap over the stage at this it's the supper club.
But anyways, Bill Clinton went to the supper club one
night and came away and said that he reminded him
of Roy Orbison on Speed.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Bill Clinton said that Ronnie Millsap reminded him of Roy
Orbison on Speed.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Tony Alamo reminded Bill Clinton of Roy Orbison on Speed.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Did he have those big dark sunglasses?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
No, but he had a like big black boufont hair, And.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, I needed him to have the glasses if I'm
going to relate them to Roy Orbison.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Roy Orbison wasn't blind.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know, but he had he had those big glasses.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
He did he did?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Ronnie the Millsap was blind.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Ronnie Millsap was blind, and his picture was over the stage.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, he probably didn't know it was there.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
No, I'm sure he didn't unless someone told him.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So, I could Ronnie Millsap like the jackets.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I don't know about that. I actually read a brief
interview where Ronnie said he had never seen something so
gaudy in all of his life.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Ronnie Millsap said, well, you say, Ronnie in the eighties,
I think are Ronnie Reagan?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Is there a picture of Ronald Reagan in an Alamo jacket?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton in matching Alamo jackets? That
would be a sight.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So I know this was this episode was off the
beaten path. I know that it was not our typical episode.
This entire time I've been talking, which, mind you, has
only been thirty five minutes. I've been keeping tabs. You've
been looking at me like I farted.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
No I haven't, Yes, you have.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
The entire time is if you smell a fart.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
This is how I focus on what you're saying. Day daydream,
you have a fart face. I must focus on what
you're saying so I can participate since I have no
notes over here, no outline, no nothing. So what do
you think I just showed up?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Well, I don't think it was polite of you to
call me a fartface. That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I also think this person was evil. I think the
people who followed him were obviously needing something, but man,
they they missed the boat for sure. I am fascinated
about how people get sucked into colts. So I've seen
a couple of things on Jonestown. I've seen a few
(44:28):
things on Waco. There's probably been some other things that
I've watched on and I'm always just fascinated, Like I
can't get enough of that, Like I could watch more
stuff on Jonestown, I could watch more stuff on Waco.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So we watched that documentary. It wasn't a documentary because
it was actors about Waco a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Jim Reagan's played it.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Frustrated me a little bit. It was because the way
that that whole thing was angled. I actually I had
empathy for him, and that frustrated me because I feel
like they added like this emotional slant to the story
that wasn't necessary. They've like romanticized it to some express.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, I think, you know, a lot of these cult
leaders have very dynamic personalities, and obviously people fall in
love with them for a reason. Yeah, so I get that.
I mean, yeah, I don't. I had no sympathy for
David Koresh at all. I mean, either he was insane
or he was a liar, or he was both right,
(45:32):
and he was a child molester. So I have zero
sympathy for him at all. But I'm sure he had
a very dynamic personality to draw in people.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
They always seem to be child molesters. So here is
my reasoning behind a lot of these crazed cult leaders. Syphilis.
What I mean, we are we're a family podcast, so
(46:04):
I won't go into detail, but I feel like maybe
a lot of them have syphilis, and you think that
makes them go insane, hated, untreated, Yes, well eventually make
you go crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah. Uh, you know, I don't know, So I don't
want to know.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I don't know. I don't want to know either. It
breaks my heart because I think people who have no
religious you know, maybe background or understanding, they hear about
these fringe crazies and then they just think, well, you know,
all Christians are crazy, and I hate that. That makes
me kind of sad.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, you can't. You can't lump any group of people
into one part. I don't care who they are, right.
I think that's when that's when you start getting into
problems when you say, oh, all uh, all Southerners are
dumb because they talk funny, or all New Yorkers are jerks,
(47:05):
or whatever you want to say. All Midwestern people are
good people, right. There is no all encompassing for any
one group of people.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Why did it seem, though, back in the seventies and
eighties that we had so many cults.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I think you still do. I just don't know that
you hear about them. I think people are probably better
at hiding it now than they were then. Yeah, that's great,
But I also think you talked about it at the
beginning in the seventies, the Jesus movement, right, I think
people got hung up in that, and people just want
to feel a part of community. Yeah right, I know,
especially people that are on the outside of stuff, they
(47:46):
just want to feel a part of community, and so
they're just looking for anybody to accept them and bring
them in and that's the cult leaders pray on those
type of people. Listen. I want to be part of community.
I love our podcast community. I talk daily with other podcasters.
(48:07):
I may talk to other podcasters more than I talk
to you, Oh, no doubt, Uh you know. And I
love being I love being the part of that community.
But I'm telling you right now, if Gift comes to
me and it's like, hey, why don't you come lived
in this compound and I'm gonna take your wife and uh,
you're gonna work for free and I'm the messiah. Sorry, Gift,
(48:30):
I love you, buddy, but I'm not going what.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
If everybody who bears it, uh, you.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Know what, he might have me there, He might have
me there. You know. Uh, Deaf Dave, you're a lot closer.
You're in Tennessee. So if you start your cult, let
me know. I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You can look at Tony Alamo fashion up on eBay
and you can. You could get you a jacket right
now if you're if you're willing to hash out the money.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
If you're willing to hash out the money, and if
you're willing to sell your soul, yeah, I would say
that if it weren't for that I would totally want
one of these retro looking jackets, right if it if
it didn't come from criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
I know, because it's such a people like graffiti, look, artistry, pictures, rhinestones.
I mean, it's it's it to me. It's acid wash.
It sums up the eighties really well.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Oh certainly, yes, so.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
He had that part figured out, but boy, I'm pretty
sure it's more and where he's at right now, so
I would I bet he's not wearing a jacket right now.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I would like to point out that in our very
first episode, we talked about things that we would talk
about on this podcast. Yeah, and one of the topics
that we mentioned would be fashion, and this is here
we are two plus years later, and this is our
first fashion I was episode.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I had no idea at that point in time that
it would be we would be talking about these jackets.
I was thinking of like jelly shoes.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Right, shoulder pads yes, leg warmers yes, but here we
are acid washed jeans, tight rolled yep, kangaroos, penny loafers.
Did your penny loafers? Maybe?
Speaker 6 (50:17):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, I may have had some penny loafers, and I
may have tight rolled my jeans with my white socks.
Speaking of eighties and fashions, did you know that white
calf no level socks are back?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I know they are back.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
No they are not.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
I are ask anybody out there, I see you coming now.
The white calf socks are back.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
These tall white socks, and I'm just like, oh my gosh,
is that my husband?
Speaker 1 (50:44):
They're back. I was told if you wear the short
black ankle socks like I still do occasionally, that you're
a boomer, is what I was told, and that if
your hip, you're back to the white calf level socks.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
My dad wore those with his tidy whities.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, I don't know. I can tell you that you
won't see me in tidy whities and calf white sox,
but you may see me in basketball shorts and calf
high white sox. I don't know that my sliders on.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
I don't know that I'll ever get used to that.
You're cloudy's my cloudies. Yes, okay, Well this was fun.
Thank you for humoring me. I hope this wasn't too
painful for people. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have been
just in hog Heaven getting ready for it.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So next week, we're going to get back to what
Jim loves, which is music. H If I could do
music episode every episode, that's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
What if I started my own podcast on Death, Murder Kill?
Speaker 1 (51:49):
What if I started my own podcast just doing nothing
but music?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Are we divorcing?
Speaker 1 (51:55):
No? I think we have three podcasts plus our friends.
We're gonna do fourth pod. Since we make so much
money from these, we should quit our jobs and just
do nothing but podcast. I could do a wrestling podcast.
I could do a baseball history podcast. You know I
would love that. But now, next week we'll be back
with our top ten songs of the summer of nineteen
(52:19):
and eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
If listen to me, if I did start my own
Death Murder Kill podcast, could I throw in a conspiracy
theory every now and then? If I could, the first
one would be, the Titanic is not the ship at
the bottom of the ocean right now, Bommball.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
There's lots of ships at the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
The Titanic is not one of them.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Okay, there's so much documentation. There's more documentation on the
Titanic than there is on the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So what is the what is the unsolved Mysteries music?
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Dna da da da da dun dun.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
You know if you had warned me that you were
gonna get to that, I would have had that pulled up.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Did I sound like it though? Dun dun.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, not at all, not one bit. But yeah, there's
how can you say that about the Titanic.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
You'll have to tune in to the first episode of Death,
Murder Killed, So.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Just chill till the next episode, she says.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
Coming up Nest, that's what you'd always say.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
UPNT is that the music you're looking for?
Speaker 6 (53:48):
There?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Is the Titanic really at the bottom of the ocean?
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yes, I saw the movie.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Some people say it's not.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
It's at the bottom of the ocean with Leo DiCaprio.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Oh man or Leo.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
But uh yeah, so this was this was fun. This
was a good episode. You did a good job with
the research.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Thank you. I appreciate that. I had fun doing it.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
All right, So jorce let me.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I'm sorry, Let me just throw yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
You always like to rupt me and just throw in
one more.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Brain doesn't move as fast as yours. My references will
be in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
That must be a uh we're back to the southern
thing where your brain doesn't work as fast as mine.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, it does, and that's no. And you know what
that is. That's called menopause.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
All right, as i've as I've said three times before
and been interrupted each time. Next week we will be
back with our top ten songs of the summer of
nineteen eighty seven. See if your favorite made it time.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
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Speaker 2 (55:37):
Until next time, I'm Jim and I'm Lindsey, and we
are Children of the Eighties.
Welcome back to Children of the Eighties. I am one
of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined as always
by the lady who still allows me to wear my
member's only jacket. It's my co host and wife, Lindsay.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I didn't realize that the one you wear now is
the one that you had back then.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah. I still fit in it.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
You still fit in the same one, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean, I haven't gained any weight at all in
the last thirty five years.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Mine when I was growing up in the eighties was purple, purple, purple.
My dad had a navy blue one and like a
light brown or tan colored one.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I always think of the tan when I think of
rappers only yet.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Right, right, And I still had it until we moved
into this house, my dad's I didn't still have mine.
I still had my dad's the tanlin. We moved into
this house, and then we had a leak in the garage,
and then that led to some other disastrous decisions, and
it got, as we say in the South, ruined rooted.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That is how they say it in the South, folks.
I can't help it, and you know that is what
they say. I would say ruined.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's routed ruined, ruin ruined.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
So before we dive deep into the craziness that is
going to be this episode, tell us a little bit
though about what you did this past weekend, because I
think people would like to hear about it.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh yeah, I went to I don't know, an expo,
I guess, but it was called the Southern Fried Gaming Expo.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And did they say runt.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
They maybe they said runed. But they had all kinds
of pinball machine and arcade machines there, and all kinds
of vendors that did video games. They had table set
up where you could play any homemade video console that's
ever been made. Atari callco Vision and Television obviously Nintendo,
(02:15):
Super Nintendo, and so on and so forth. It was
really cool. They had a lot of vendors there with
overpriced old school Nintendo or Super Nintendo games or Xbox
games or whatever. Really overpriced, but it was a lot
of fun. You could play any video game that you
wanted for free. Of course, there was a cost to
(02:36):
get in to the place, but you could play any
video game you wanted for free. They had guest speakers there.
In fact, one of our eighties podcast folks, my buddy
Will Padilla. I reached out to him because I saw
that he was going to be a guest speaker there. Wow,
And so I reached out to him to find out
(02:57):
if he was there on Friday night because I was
only there on Friday night and he was actually doing
They were paneling on Saturday and Will host a show
called nineteen eighties. Now okay, so we've exchanged promos with
them in the past. So I saw that he was
(03:18):
on the panel along with his co host, and so
I just reached out to him and was like, hey,
are you here this weekend. I'm here on Friday night.
And he got to me late Friday night and was like, hey,
I'm here, but you know I'm on the panel tomorrow
if you can stop by, And I was like, well,
I can't. I'm recovering from Achilles surgery. And you know this,
(03:39):
like I was there for seven hours, I think a
long time, and I was in a good bit of
discomfort afterwards. Yeah, and a good bit of discomfort on
Saturday too. Yeah. But I will say it was worth it.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh it was.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I will say. I left Friday night. I don't know
how if we went through all the weekends. But I
left Friday night with the two highest scores on pac Man.
One of the highest.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Scores on Burger Time Burger Time, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
The highest score on Miss pac Many uh, the highest
score on Cubert, although I do have to say that
nobody maybe found that because it was one of those
multikde things, so you'd really have to go search them
for it. And then I rediscovered an old classic that
I absolutely loved it. I had forgot that I loved
rally X, and so it's rally is in r A
(04:24):
L Y Yes, Raley r r A L L Y
dash X and it's a card game. And I ended
up setting the high score on that. And then I
went out for dinner and then came back and came back.
Rally X was right next to the pac Man machine.
So I was like, I'm gonna pick one of the
two while there was a kid at rally X, and
so I picked pac Man. But I look over and
(04:44):
when I say, kid, now, this is how you know
you're old, right?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Was he thirty?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
It's off my own Yeah, he was thirty ish. Yeah,
And so I'm playing pac Man and I over and
he's dangerously close to my high score. But I can
see he's stressing and he's trying to beat it, and
so I'm trying to put the bad vibes out there
on him, right, and I'm paying more attention to him
than I am my pac Man game. And eventually he
(05:15):
beats my high score. Wow, And I was like, congratulations,
did you just beat my high score? He was like yeah,
it was tough, but you know, and then he died
immediately and he left. And as soon as he left,
I got back on rally. I ignored my pac Man game,
got back on rally.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Why did you have to pee.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
On it and then beat his high score? Because I
have to be the best at everything.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So what is considered a high score with pac Man?
I mean I may have gotten to like round four
or something in my life.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So what I mean, I mean, if you're talking like
the best players that have ever played, it's astronomical.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
We're talking about just normal.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Every Joe's probably going to get fifty to seventy five
thousand probably, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean you could have said one hundred.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I would have been like, okay, I showed up in
the average and the high score at that point was
fifty five thousand.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Oh wow. So how what did you get then.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Two hundred and ten thousand? Oh my gosh, really yeah, yeah,
I almost quadrupled it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, so I need help understanding. This was just a
huge room with rows and rows of videos.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It was several rooms. It was in an old, outdated
mall that is no longer there.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Oh really yeah okay, And so you just walked up.
Didn't have to have.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
A quarter, nope, just I mean I think some games
were charging quarters, but for the most part they were
all free play. Just walk up and you hit one
player or two player and you start playing.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Did you have hand sanitizer, because yes, there was hand sanitizer.
That many nerds you would definitely need some hand sanitizer,
not a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, there were, uh, there were a bunch of US
nerds there. I include myself in that. And yes, they
did have hand sanitizer. And so every time I left
the room done playing my video games, hand sanitizer.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Good good, good good.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So yeah I didn't I didn't go eat my subway
with with unsanitized video game nerd hands with.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Video game fingers.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes you heard of chicken fingers. I had video game fingers.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Oh goodness. Well, yeah, all I know is that you
came back and it seemed to have made you happy,
and that's all I care.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I was tired, but yeah, I was in a good mood.
And if I could get paid to do that, well,
this my life would be nirvana.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
So you were happy and hobbling.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I was hobbling.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yes, maybe you can be on the panel next year
and share your video game knowledge.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Oh, I don't. I don't know if they were talking about.
But I don't know what they were talking about. I
guess I'll have to reach out to will it. Will,
if you're listening, reach out to me and let me
know what you talked about.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Maybe it was just eighties goodness.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, that's probably what it was, because you know, all
the arcade games there were from the eighties, or at
least most of them, and then you know there were
pinball machines from all eras, so that wasn't just eighties,
but it was definitely retro. There were definitely a lot
of forty and fifty year old, sixty year old people
there for sure, kind of relive in the low years now.
(08:15):
I literally wanted to stand on top of the pac
Man machine like Cyrus from The Warriors and be like
can you dig it? And then challenge anybody who wanted
to who thought they might be able to take on
the King.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
You I think mentioned that you've got to play duck Hunt.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I did eventually because my foot was hurting so bad
because of my ankle, I had to sit down. And
they had seats at these long fold out tables that
had all the old school arcades on there. So they
had a Nintendo there that had Super Mario Brothers and
Duck Hunt, and I was just like, you know what,
let me play some duck Hunt, like I could. You know,
if I got into Super Mario Brothers, I might not
(08:53):
have gotten up for the rest of the night, and
I didn't want to do that, especially since we have
a Nintendo here with me. Mario Brothers. I can play
that anytime I want. So, yeah, I got to play
some duck Hunt. You know, I'm a pretty good shot
with that thing, are you? With that fake gun and
those old TVs and those slow ducks.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
So I got my first Nintendo, I want to say,
for Christmas of eighty nine. And back then, there was
no such thing as decorating your bedroom as a kid,
like you're an interior decorator now. Amythinks that everything's going
to be like going on the cover of some kind
of magazine. Oh yeah, So me growing up, they got
me a little tiny color TV and my first Nintendo
(09:34):
and they got me what the games that came with
it would have been Mario Brothers and Duck Hunt. And
then they got me one additional game, which I asked
you the other day if you'd ever heard of, and
you said no. It was Back to the Future and
Marty McFly had to go in and save people from
whatever catastrophe in the town.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
No, I'm pretty sure i've heard of it. I've just
I never played it.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So my his parents went and bought a wooden like
dining room or kitchen table chair at a yard sale,
and that's the chair that I had at my desk,
which my dad then would use when he played Duck Hunt,
because he loved to come into my room and his
tidy whities in the middle of the day, sit down
(10:20):
in that little old rickety wooden chair and play some
Duck Hunt.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, listen, he was a firefighter, so when things went bad,
it was a very stressful job. So I don't blame
him for wanting to relax by shooting some fake ducks
as long as he wasn't shooting the real ones.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Do you blame him for wearing the tidy whities, because
I think I do.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Eighties Dad, I mean Murray Goldberg, right, If he.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Was at home, his home was h like his castle,
it was his kingdom, and he didn't like wearing pants,
and so there were no pants.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well there you go.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, so you've been very busy at work, very stressed
at work. You walk around perpetually looking like you've just
sucked on a lemon, and so I offered this week
to take the rains the rains on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, yes you did. But before you get to that,
here's why I allowed you to get to that, because
today is.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
By what celebrate your birthday. Happened every year, eat a
lot of drink a lot of years.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
So that is because today, the release of this episode
is your birthday. So I decided to just go ahead
and give you what you wanted, which was to control
an episode. And once again, I have no clue what
we're doing this morning.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
When I got up forty six years young, forty.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Six years young, See, I wasn't going to say that.
I was going to say that you're celebrating the seventeenth
anniversary of your twenty ninth birthday.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
The scary thing is, is I bet you remember my
twenty ninth birthday, don't you?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I remember your thirtieth for sure. I mean, like, okay,
don't where'd the time go?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Don't get me started. So, yes, you finally gave in.
So I love doing our podcast, and I love talking
about reminiscing about the eighties. But my true passion in
life is death, murder, kill.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
True crime. Yes, but before you scare everybody off from
this podcast, this is not a true crime episode of podcast.
We are talking about stuff that happened in the eighties.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Okay, well, this is a podcast that looks back on
the decade of the nineteen eighties. We talk about things
that were important to us as children and what we
look back on now with fond memories as adults. Ultimately,
this is a nostalgia podcast, so we may be stretching
(12:57):
it just to tad, like what's Wretch Armstrong? Just a tad.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
We're going back to the eighties.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Oh, we are going back to the eighties. We are
going to talk about a fashion trend in the nineteen eighties.
We're just gonna do it with a little bit of death, murder, kill.
I know. Please as my birthday present, fellow children of
(13:29):
the eighties, just hang in here with me. You have
no idea how happy it would make me to know
that you toughed out this episode with Jim.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yes, so tell the folks what you're going to be doing.
You did a deep dive here. This isn't just murder
or crime or death like you did a real deep dive.
And I think you've got a story here to tell,
all right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Story If Elvis, Televangelism and a horror movie had a
love child, it might look a lot like Tony and Susan.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Alamo Alamo, just like Lama, Lama, Red Pajama.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
It's gonna say it's like gob.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So it's not Alamo, It's Alamo, And I have to
I'll probably every time I say.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It, I'll have to like stop and pause, Yeah, because
just to make sure I get it right.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, it's not where Peewee's bike was kept in the basement.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
No, No.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
So.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
A couple of little things that we're going to touch
on tonight. A cult, a stolen corpse, rhinestone jackets.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Like a rhinestone Cowboy and child Brides WHOA Okay, So
first I want to tell you this couple. They were
a They were a horrific and horrible duo that did
the world.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Harm to people. At any point. If we giggle or laugh,
we're not laughing about that situation. I am not going
to focus on that. I would recommend a documentary out
right now on this whole situation. It's on Netflix, and
I would recommend if you really are into stuff like this.
(15:22):
It's a great docuseries. It's called Ministry of Evil, and
that will tell you the ikey, the ikey side of things.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, now I've got to go watch that. I mean good,
You're getting me started on this stuff. I'm curious what's
going on now. So I will be taking a back
seat basically on this podcast because I have no clue
what this story is about. But I will be throwing
in commentary, and if there's giggling and laughing to be done,
it's probably because I'm gonna say something stupid.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
So we're going back in the time machine to the
early eighties where shoulder pads were big and the scandals
were even bigger. We're going back before Tammy Faye baker.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Whoa, there were still probably a lot of more eyeshadow
on the market if we're going back before Tammy.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Fay So Tony Alamo was actually born Bernie Lazarre Hoffman,
and he met Susan, a strong willed businesswoman already dabbling
in psychic readings.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well there's your problem, right there is named Bernie, so
you'd think of weekend at Bernie's and Bernie madeoff.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
They met in California during the nineteen sixties. Together they
created the Alamo Christian Foundation and again recruiting lost souls.
Back in the late seventies, it was the Jesus Movement,
and a lot of good came from the Jesus Movement,
but unfortunately a lot of people were preyed upon during
that time, and so they found their fame and fortune
(16:53):
through the hippies in California during the seventies.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Were they Jim Jones disciples?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Very similar? They're very similar. So what started, though, is
a street ministry between this couple quickly morphed into a cult. Okay,
so let me back up just a little bit and
let me give you a backstory about this couple. So,
Susan had a daughter from a previous relationship who was
(17:22):
a teenager, and they would get to the point where
they would be basically starving and they would be getting
food out of the dumpsters to eat. And that's when
Susan would say, put on your dress. We're gonna go
do a church. And what that means is we're gonna
go scam a church. Yeah, And they would go in
and tell the story, now their sob story. The daughter
(17:44):
had a beautiful singing voice, and she would sing and
Susan would make up a story about how God had
told her to come to this church, and how she
made up a story about how he had changed her
life and all he had done for her. Yet she
had fallen on hard times and if they would just
help her out, that's all she needed to get back
on her feet. And that's how they made their money.
(18:05):
So they were sitting at a bar one night, now,
thirteen year old daughter with her mama in the bar.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh sounds like my mom.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And in Walt Tony Alamo. He was going around at
this point claiming that he was some big, great promoter
who had promoted the Beatles. Mick Jagger had asked him
to promote the Rolling Stones, but he was too busy
and he had to turn him down.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yes, you always turned down Mick Jagger whenever you get
a chance.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Uh. He was just a scummy, scummy person. At this point,
he was living with a young girl who was pregnant
with his child. So he comes in and Tony and
Susan lock eyes in that bar for the first time.
And this is how the daughter describes that encounter. He
(18:59):
comes over to the table and sits down, and he
starts saying how I promoted the Beatles, and I promoted
this guy and that guy, and I promoted Sonny and Cheer.
And then Susan says, well, I'm an actress, I've been
around the studio for years, and my daughter's a singer.
And he says, why I just hurt her tape. I
know she's fantastic. The daughter says, looking back and forth,
(19:21):
it's like watching a tennis match of just lies back
and forth, of these people just telling one lie to
each other after another. So he excuses himself, he goes
to the restroom. She tells the daughter he and I
are leaving together in a few minutes, and you're not
to come home tonight.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
She's thirteen.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
He comes back to the table, sits down. She looks
at him and she says, Tony, I've got to ask
you a question. Did you know that Jesus Christ is
coming back to Earth again? And he looks deep into
her eyes and says, why, yes, Susan, I do know.
But how did you know that, Susan? And she says, well,
(20:06):
let's go up to my apartment and talk about it
a little bit. And that, my friends, is how the
Tony and Susan Alamo Foundation started.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So two people lying.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
To each other, bs in each other, back and forth,
they had like found their match in each other.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
So I have some news for you. If you know,
I were to ever like get hit by a bread
truck or a meteor or something, and you're out at
the bar looking to pick up dudes. Any guy who
comes up and immediately starts bragging about what he's done
and what he knows, he's no good.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, you know, she was down on her lock. And
maybe I mean I don't think she was buying his bs,
but maybe she was hoping some of the BS was.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
True, or maybe she realized that their BS together could
create an empire.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
You know what, I bet you're right. So they started
out in California, where they spent the late sixties into
the seventies. At some point, though, when they became a
little more cultish, they moved their headquarters to Arkansas, Arkansas,
to a compound that included a mansion for them. Now
(21:20):
the cult followers are living in the compound. They are
living in the mansion, which had a heart shaped swimming pool.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I don't see what's wrong with the heart shaped swoo oh,
We've got one in our backyard right now.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't see what's wrong with it, except for the
fact the followers lived communally. They endured regular beatings, starvation,
and they were separated from other family members. They were
told that Tony was a prophet and that the Vatican
was responsible for all the evil in the world, including communism, Nazism,
(21:58):
and even the Jonestown massacred. So Susan went around very
often in the early days giving people a sob story
about how she had cancer and she needed money for
her cancer treatment. Well, karma eventually caught up with her,
and Susan didn't ultimately get cancer, and she died of
(22:19):
that cancer in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Oh wow, so she didn't even she didn't even really
get to see thriller.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
No she did, she didn't get to stick around for
very much of it. She passed away in nineteen eighty two.
Now she was definitely the brains behind the organization, and
Tony quickly convinced everybody that she was gonna rise from
the dead.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
That happens a lot in modern times, so.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
He kind of went full tilt. Instead of burying her,
he had her embalmed and he placed her on a
table in the middle of their dining room.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So if she's going to rise from the dead, but
she's embalmed, she isn't gonna have any blood to rise
from the dead.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
See, you're too smart to fall for a cult. For
six months, followers, especially the children, were made to keep
watch over her and pray continuously, and each day that
she didn't rise from the dead, they would get beaten
by Tony for it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
So Tony was not only evil, he was clearly delusional.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well yeah, I mean, to say the least. He definitely
unraveled after she died, and his teachings quickly became I mean,
and they were dangerous to begin with, but they quickly
became more dangerous. So and this is where now the
story really starts to stand out.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh it's not standing out already.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yes, after Susan's death and he realizes, you know, at
some point six months in she's not going to rise
back from the dead. He does put her in a mausoleum,
in a heart shaped mausoleum. He's all about the heart
shapes apparently, So so that's where she goes. He falls
in love with someone else, I mean, is that possible.
(24:12):
I don't know. He falls in love with someone else,
they marry, but yet he quickly says, you get a
little nose job, and if you do a little chin
thing here, maybe we do something to your cheekbones.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
He's trying to make her look like Susan.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And then he's gonna say she.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Rose from the dead.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yes, exactly exactly. So this lady quickly figured out what
was going on and she high tailed it for the hills.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Its good for her. So she probably got lost in
the ozarks.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay, so let's talk a little bit about how does this.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
How does this relate to the eighties?
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yes, Tony had during the bulk of the eighties about
thirty businesses that the cult members worked at. Initially, they
didn't get paid until the government found out, so then
they started getting paid for their work, but then they
(25:12):
were pressured into turning their paychecks back over to Tony,
So they were being held slaves essentially, and it was
free labor for him. When you think like crazed cult leader,
do you think fashion?
Speaker 1 (25:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, I don't either. But in the early nineteen eighties,
Tony launched Tony Alamo of Nashville, a designer label featuring
flashy jackets that sold for up to five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Why of Nashville?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
They were pure glam, pure tackiness, and pure rhinestones. That's
why nash was.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Glenn Campbell one of his No but that.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Should help you understand why Nashville. Okay, let's talk a
little bit about these worn by Dolly Parton.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
Working not by captain by so chicking and no giving.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
They just use your by and then never give you credit.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Do you know what I heard?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
That's Dolly Parton.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
That Dolly Parton. You know what I heard this week
about her? What's that she's getting ready to do? Like
a six show residency in Las Vegas. That can be
my birthday presence.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, let's go to Vegas for Dolly parton, Dolly, I'm
assuming didn't know or nobody knew about the slave labor
that this guy was using.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing. And I have done
so much research on this, obviously, I don't think the
celebrities knew, but nobody can really offer even a explanation.
So Dolly, pardon who I love and I forgive her
for this faux pas. I'll still love her.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
You shut your mouth. Michael Jackson did not have his jackets, honey.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
He wored on the cover.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Of Bad, which is why you just played Bad.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yes, that is exactly why.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
So Michael Jackson. Well, it wouldn't surprise me if Michael
Jackson knew about it. You wouldn't afraid to have kids
in his compound either.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Okay, So these jackets were very, very like typical eighties
acid washed graffiti looking type designs all over the back,
the sleeves, then the little like rhine stones individually sewed
on or glued on. I don't know how they did it.
(28:23):
The jacket that he wore on the cover of the
Bad album was a little bit different from that.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yes, that was leather or faux leather or something.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It was definitely against the normal look of the Alamo fashion.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Do I have a question about leather? Like, leather will
shrink if it's out in like the rain, right, if
it gets wet, leather will shrink. Why don't cow shrink
when they're out there?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
How do you know they don't?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Oh? I guess technically, I don't know, But I would
think that I would have learned that in school.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
You think that they would teach you that in school.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Well, I would think so. Kyle start out really big,
but because their hide is made of leather, they shrink
as they get older during monsoon season.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
You were insane, Okay, mister T.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
A pity of the fool who doesn't wear my jacket?
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Mister T had a jacket.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Do you know what kind of jacket he had? Did
he cut off the sleeves.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It would only make sense if it was like the
US flag or something across the back, right, can you
I can't picture mister T in anything.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
He had to have cut off the sleeves, That's all
I'm saying. He had to show his guns.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Was it Camo?
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Yeah, the Camo jacket. I felt like it. Maybe it
was like a jing jacket that he cut off sleeves.
But I guess it could have been a Camo jacket.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. They were all denim. But
I'm just saying, was it like Camo prints?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Oh who knows? Did it say the A team on
the back.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
It did not say the A team.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
They say clubber Lang on the back.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
It did not. Cogan had one oh yeah, brother, but
one eighties musician.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Hundred tools.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
That's right. Falco got married in his Alamo jacket. Gee really, yes,
I'm sending you a picture right now. When you get
this picture, zoom in at the oddity Falco.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
You know, it doesn't surprise me that he wore it't
during his wedding. I feel like he was missing a
letter from his name.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
He lived in that thing, so it was a It said.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Oh did them with the Texas lone star? Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yes, and the one sleeve down the sleeve it says Texas.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Was Falco was German, not Texans.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Okay, let me give you the Let me give.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You what this Texas because his last name was Alamo.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Let me send you with the back of this jacket.
Looked like we'll post it. I'm gonna post it on
social media too, so people can see.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Malcolm didn't do too bad for himself.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
There is that? Not the weirdest wedding photo you've ever seen?
It is they look like they're not even in the
same like space.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It doesn't look like no, they're It's very much like
a prom picture where the girl doesn't want to be
going with the guy. She just said yes so she
could go to brom.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Right because she wanted to go get dressed up and dance. Yes, okay,
did you see the one where I sent you? That's
the back I did. It's got Texas and what else?
Is it? A bucking bronco?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
A bucking bronco? Do you think they were at Gillies?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I mean it looks like something you would wear at Gillies.
I can't tell. Down at the bottom, is that a
picture of the Alamo?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yes? It is?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Jeez. Okay. So these cult members, including children and mostly children,
were forced to work in sweatshop like conditions to produce
these jackets, long hours, no pay, all in the name
of religion. After all, the clothes that the company were
producing for Alamo celebrity contacts back in California had to
(32:57):
come from somewhere. So by the mid eighteen eighties, those
clothes the jackets included were being made in an industrial
space where workers undertook punishing twenty hour days.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
You know, they outlawed that back in the eighteen hundreds, right,
people used to have to work twelve hour days, seven
days a week, and then they cut it down to
six days a week, and then eventually we got the
forty hour work week, because you know, it just wasn't
fair to the human.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So they could only eat whatever they were able to
find in dumpsters, and they could only flush their toilets
a set number of times a day to keep the
water bills down.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, So not only was he not paying them, he
wasn't feeding them either. Why did they stay?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I think if you can figure that out, I might
call you doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor doctor. Okay, So Tony
realized that the children, their little fingers were best suited
to glue on the rhinestones, So the children did the
(34:10):
bulk of the work on the jacket.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Amy get in here.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
At some point the Feds were onto him. Took him
a little while, took them a little while longer than
I believe that it probably should have.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
But when you say, at some point, do you have like,
I'm not looking for an exact date, but just like
a year like in the nineties. Oh wow, okay, And.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
But he wasn't leaving Susan behind. He had to go
on the run, but not without Susan. Was on the
lamb with Susan, broke open the mausoleum and took Susan
with him.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Didn't Susan stink by then?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I don't know how that works. I would think so.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Was Susan a skeleton by then?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
So Tony and dead Susan are on the run from
the Feds by this point.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I've had some I've dated some dead Susans.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Ultimately, at the end of the day, when he was
finally caught, prosecuted, sentenced, he received one hundred and seventy
five year prison sentence because he was quote unquote marrying
the young girls that were part of the cult.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, he deserves every one of those hundred and seventy
five And you know what, I think that once he's dead,
they should leave him in prison with his embalmb body
next to Susan.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
So some of the things that he face, charges for
tax evasion, obviously.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They all compone him. Did they all compone him? What
do you mean, like they couldn't get al Capone on
the rico laws, even though there weren't rico laws back then.
But they couldn't get him on like murder or anything
like that. So eventually they got him on tax evasion
just so they could send him to well right.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
And they got him because these quote unquote wives that
were eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old traveled with
him as his wife, and so he crossed state lines with.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Them, oh all the time.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
So that's that's one way that they were able to
like nab him. It's interesting to me, and I couldn't
find a whole lot of information on this, but a
man with that many again, I always say quote unquote
wives that with a man with that many wives has
there have to be a lot of children out there,
I would think, unfortunately, and I just wonder, now where
(36:37):
are they in life. I didn't really see a whole lot.
I think it's a TLC TV show. I don't know
if it's still on. It used to be on called
Seeking a Seeking Sister Wives or something like that. And she,
one of the ladies on that show, said that she
was one of his daughters. But that's the only person
(36:58):
that I could find that would actually claim him as
a dad, So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Sure nobody else wants to claim him.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
He ultimately died in prison in twenty seventeen. He was
arrested in two thousand and eight, so he did get
some time in prison, but not as long as one
would have hoped for. Where the cult stands today, it's
maybe still out there, maybe not. They still have an
(37:25):
active web page. They never appointed a successor, and they're
not really active on the web page, so it's hard
to know what happened to all those.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean, is there like a meetingplace like Colts dot
com or something like I active on the on the
website like Colts have websites on.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, really, yes, they have a website. I went to
it in all of my research, like the Alamo Foundation
dot com or something like that. So Lamo jackets, sadly,
I've come back in style to some extent. A lot
(38:06):
of rap artists can be seen wearing the Miley Cyrus
has been seen wearing them. Let's just hope maybe that
they don't understand where these jackets came from and that
it's more of like, oh, this is a very cheesy
eighties retro thing to wear.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I think we should ask them if they know where
they came from, and if they admit yes, then they
get to serve out the one hundred and seventy five years.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
I know because literally children's blood are on those jackets. Yes,
it's that so flashy, iconic and tied to some of
music's biggest names then and now, yet born from coercion
inside a cult. Do you think this is a reminder
that sometimes what glitters isn't just gold? It could be
(38:58):
a warning.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I think led Zeppelin said something about that, and I
know smash Mouth did. All that glitters is gold.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So I'm curious who's heard of these Alamo jackets.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I bet there's people out there that have they unless
they grew up as a celebrity, I'm assuming they didn't
own any well.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Right, because then they were going for They.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Were super expensive five thousand dollars back then. So if
you go back and watch like an old price is
right from the eighties, brand new cars were like anywhere
from six to eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
So, okay, here's what I'm thinking. Okay, this is like,
take this with a grain of salt, but this is
what I'm thinking. He did so This guy was evil,
but I think he was also probably super smart in
some weird, twisted, demented way. Oh yeah, I believe he
gave these celebrities these jackets to wear, and they would
(39:59):
wear that, there would be photographed in them, and then
the everyday person might go out and buy it because
they wanted to have a jacket like Madonna or whatever.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, that's your marketing campaign.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think these celebrities were oblivious to the backstory there.
I just I'm sure I think somebody in their group
handed them a jacket as hideous as the jacket is
to my eyes today, in the eighties, I'm assuming it
was trendy and they wore it and had no clue.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Yeah, I bet, I bet only Falco probably knew.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
No doubt Falcon knew, There is no doubt in my mind.
And I want to know how long did that marriage last?
Five minutes?
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Uh, let me look at the picture again. But I
might give them. I'm going to give them eleven months.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, I could see that Bill Clinton before he became
pressed it what was he in Arkansas governor before he
wasn't was? What was he before governor? Attorney general? I
think so the Alamos had a I want to I
keep wanting to call it a supper club in Arkansas,
but it's where you would go eat dinner and and
(41:17):
and watch a performance.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay, okay, And if that's the case, I'd like to
belong to a supper club.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I don't think that that's the right terminology. Over the
stage of the supper club is a big picture with
a tacky ornate gold frame of who.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Do you think Hillary and Falco?
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Ronnie Millsap? Really Ronnie Millsap? A huge picture of Ronnie
Millsap over the stage at this it's the supper club.
But anyways, Bill Clinton went to the supper club one
night and came away and said that he reminded him
of Roy Orbison on Speed.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Bill Clinton said that Ronnie Millsap reminded him of Roy
Orbison on Speed.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Tony Alamo reminded Bill Clinton of Roy Orbison on Speed.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Did he have those big dark sunglasses?
Speaker 2 (42:18):
No, but he had a like big black boufont hair, And.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Okay, I needed him to have the glasses if I'm
going to relate them to Roy Orbison.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Roy Orbison wasn't blind.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know, but he had he had those big glasses.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
He did he did?
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Ronnie the Millsap was blind.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Ronnie Millsap was blind, and his picture was over the stage.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, he probably didn't know it was there.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
No, I'm sure he didn't unless someone told him.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
So, I could Ronnie Millsap like the jackets.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
I don't know about that. I actually read a brief
interview where Ronnie said he had never seen something so
gaudy in all of his life.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
Ronnie Millsap said, well, you say, Ronnie in the eighties,
I think are Ronnie Reagan?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
Is there a picture of Ronald Reagan in an Alamo jacket?
Speaker 1 (43:12):
Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton in matching Alamo jackets? That
would be a sight.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
So I know this was this episode was off the
beaten path. I know that it was not our typical episode.
This entire time I've been talking, which, mind you, has
only been thirty five minutes. I've been keeping tabs. You've
been looking at me like I farted.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
No I haven't, Yes, you have.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
The entire time is if you smell a fart.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
This is how I focus on what you're saying. Day daydream,
you have a fart face. I must focus on what
you're saying so I can participate since I have no
notes over here, no outline, no nothing. So what do
you think I just showed up?
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Well, I don't think it was polite of you to
call me a fartface. That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I also think this person was evil. I think the
people who followed him were obviously needing something, but man,
they they missed the boat for sure. I am fascinated
about how people get sucked into colts. So I've seen
a couple of things on Jonestown. I've seen a few
(44:28):
things on Waco. There's probably been some other things that
I've watched on and I'm always just fascinated, Like I
can't get enough of that, Like I could watch more
stuff on Jonestown, I could watch more stuff on Waco.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So we watched that documentary. It wasn't a documentary because
it was actors about Waco a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Jim Reagan's played it.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Frustrated me a little bit. It was because the way
that that whole thing was angled. I actually I had
empathy for him, and that frustrated me because I feel
like they added like this emotional slant to the story
that wasn't necessary. They've like romanticized it to some express.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Well, I think, you know, a lot of these cult
leaders have very dynamic personalities, and obviously people fall in
love with them for a reason. Yeah, so I get that.
I mean, yeah, I don't. I had no sympathy for
David Koresh at all. I mean, either he was insane
or he was a liar, or he was both right,
(45:32):
and he was a child molester. So I have zero
sympathy for him at all. But I'm sure he had
a very dynamic personality to draw in people.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
They always seem to be child molesters. So here is
my reasoning behind a lot of these crazed cult leaders. Syphilis.
What I mean, we are we're a family podcast, so
(46:04):
I won't go into detail, but I feel like maybe
a lot of them have syphilis, and you think that
makes them go insane, hated, untreated, Yes, well eventually make
you go crazy.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah. Uh, you know, I don't know, So I don't
want to know.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I don't know. I don't want to know either. It
breaks my heart because I think people who have no
religious you know, maybe background or understanding, they hear about
these fringe crazies and then they just think, well, you know,
all Christians are crazy, and I hate that. That makes
me kind of sad.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, you can't. You can't lump any group of people
into one part. I don't care who they are, right.
I think that's when that's when you start getting into
problems when you say, oh, all uh, all Southerners are
dumb because they talk funny, or all New Yorkers are jerks,
(47:05):
or whatever you want to say. All Midwestern people are
good people, right. There is no all encompassing for any
one group of people.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Why did it seem, though, back in the seventies and
eighties that we had so many cults.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I think you still do. I just don't know that
you hear about them. I think people are probably better
at hiding it now than they were then. Yeah, that's great,
But I also think you talked about it at the
beginning in the seventies, the Jesus movement, right, I think
people got hung up in that, and people just want
to feel a part of community. Yeah right, I know,
especially people that are on the outside of stuff, they
(47:46):
just want to feel a part of community, and so
they're just looking for anybody to accept them and bring
them in and that's the cult leaders pray on those
type of people. Listen. I want to be part of community.
I love our podcast community. I talk daily with other podcasters.
(48:07):
I may talk to other podcasters more than I talk
to you, Oh, no doubt, Uh you know. And I
love being I love being the part of that community.
But I'm telling you right now, if Gift comes to
me and it's like, hey, why don't you come lived
in this compound and I'm gonna take your wife and uh,
you're gonna work for free and I'm the messiah. Sorry, Gift,
(48:30):
I love you, buddy, but I'm not going what.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
If everybody who bears it, uh, you.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Know what, he might have me there, He might have
me there. You know. Uh, Deaf Dave, you're a lot closer.
You're in Tennessee. So if you start your cult, let
me know. I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
You can look at Tony Alamo fashion up on eBay
and you can. You could get you a jacket right
now if you're if you're willing to hash out the money.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
If you're willing to hash out the money, and if
you're willing to sell your soul, yeah, I would say
that if it weren't for that I would totally want
one of these retro looking jackets, right if it if
it didn't come from criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
I know, because it's such a people like graffiti, look, artistry, pictures, rhinestones.
I mean, it's it's it to me. It's acid wash.
It sums up the eighties really well.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Oh certainly, yes, so.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
He had that part figured out, but boy, I'm pretty
sure it's more and where he's at right now, so
I would I bet he's not wearing a jacket right now.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
I would like to point out that in our very
first episode, we talked about things that we would talk
about on this podcast. Yeah, and one of the topics
that we mentioned would be fashion, and this is here
we are two plus years later, and this is our
first fashion I was episode.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I had no idea at that point in time that
it would be we would be talking about these jackets.
I was thinking of like jelly shoes.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Right, shoulder pads yes, leg warmers yes, but here we
are acid washed jeans, tight rolled yep, kangaroos, penny loafers.
Did your penny loafers? Maybe?
Speaker 6 (50:17):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Yeah, I may have had some penny loafers, and I
may have tight rolled my jeans with my white socks.
Speaking of eighties and fashions, did you know that white
calf no level socks are back?
Speaker 3 (50:30):
No?
Speaker 1 (50:31):
I know they are back.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
No they are not.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
I are ask anybody out there, I see you coming now.
The white calf socks are back.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
These tall white socks, and I'm just like, oh my gosh,
is that my husband?
Speaker 1 (50:44):
They're back. I was told if you wear the short
black ankle socks like I still do occasionally, that you're
a boomer, is what I was told, and that if
your hip, you're back to the white calf level socks.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
My dad wore those with his tidy whities.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Well, I don't know. I can tell you that you
won't see me in tidy whities and calf white sox,
but you may see me in basketball shorts and calf
high white sox. I don't know that my sliders on.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
I don't know that I'll ever get used to that.
You're cloudy's my cloudies. Yes, okay, Well this was fun.
Thank you for humoring me. I hope this wasn't too
painful for people. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I have been
just in hog Heaven getting ready for it.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
So next week, we're going to get back to what
Jim loves, which is music. H If I could do
music episode every episode, that's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
What if I started my own podcast on Death, Murder Kill?
Speaker 1 (51:49):
What if I started my own podcast just doing nothing
but music?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Are we divorcing?
Speaker 1 (51:55):
No? I think we have three podcasts plus our friends.
We're gonna do fourth pod. Since we make so much
money from these, we should quit our jobs and just
do nothing but podcast. I could do a wrestling podcast.
I could do a baseball history podcast. You know I
would love that. But now, next week we'll be back
with our top ten songs of the summer of nineteen
(52:19):
and eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
If listen to me, if I did start my own
Death Murder Kill podcast, could I throw in a conspiracy
theory every now and then? If I could, the first
one would be, the Titanic is not the ship at
the bottom of the ocean right now, Bommball.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
There's lots of ships at the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
The Titanic is not one of them.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Okay, there's so much documentation. There's more documentation on the
Titanic than there is on the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
So what is the what is the unsolved Mysteries music?
Speaker 4 (52:58):
Dna da da da da dun dun.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
You know if you had warned me that you were
gonna get to that, I would have had that pulled up.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Did I sound like it though? Dun dun.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, not at all, not one bit. But yeah, there's
how can you say that about the Titanic.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
You'll have to tune in to the first episode of Death,
Murder Killed, So.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Just chill till the next episode, she says.
Speaker 5 (53:39):
Coming up Nest, that's what you'd always say.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
UPNT is that the music you're looking for?
Speaker 6 (53:48):
There?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
Is the Titanic really at the bottom of the ocean?
Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yes, I saw the movie.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Some people say it's not.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
It's at the bottom of the ocean with Leo DiCaprio.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Oh man or Leo.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
But uh yeah, so this was this was fun. This
was a good episode. You did a good job with
the research.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Thank you. I appreciate that. I had fun doing it.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
All right, So jorce let me.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I'm sorry, Let me just throw yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
You always like to rupt me and just throw in
one more.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Brain doesn't move as fast as yours. My references will
be in the show notes.
Speaker 1 (54:32):
That must be a uh we're back to the southern
thing where your brain doesn't work as fast as mine.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, it does, and that's no. And you know what
that is. That's called menopause.
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All right, as i've as I've said three times before
and been interrupted each time. Next week we will be
back with our top ten songs of the summer of
nineteen eighty seven. See if your favorite made it time.
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