May 14, 2024 • 41 mins
Colin shares his NFL conspiracy theory after seeing the announcement about the Jets starting their season against the 49ers. Following a big contract extension, he explains why Jared Goff is clearly a better quarterback than Dak Prescott. Plus, Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to unveil his latest Club Superstar
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh What a Tuesday show, brimming with everything from rants
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Also streaming show Sugar with Colin ferrell Saney watched the
entire thing in the afternoon because Greg the put Us
said it was great, went home and watched the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Wow. I had that on the list of shows to watch,
but it's episode six.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Gets Danny, But I want to talk football now. Now.
We both love football and the NFL more than any league.
Would you agree with this They know how to play
television schedules, free agency. They even look at shows like this,
where can we get the most free TV? So the
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NFL schedule released tonight or tomorrow, but a few games
are leaking out. And I know how much Aaron Rodgers
loves conspiracy theories. He doesn't view them as such, but
many people do. So I thought, well, let me throw
one of my favorites out, the forty nine ers on
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Monday Night Football, the first Monday Night football game. That's
ohways a crazy crowd. Host Aaron and the New York Jets.
You think it's a coincidence The NFL looked at the
Jets schedule and said, what would be the toughest game? Hmm,
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Travel three thousand miles and face Kyle Shanahan, a brilliant
offensive coach in the opener Monday Night Football, the first
Monday Night football game. Think about this. Offensive coaches Andy
Reid in September best coach in the league McVeigh six
and one in openers Shanahan. Offensive coaches are much tougher
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to face off, buys extra time to prepare and in openers.
Go ask Pete Carroll what it was like to face
McVeagh last year in the opener, when the heavily underdog
Road Rams went to Seattle and unveiled an entirely different
run scheme, Pete and the Seahawks were lost for three
and a half hours. Robert saw a defensive coach. Nobody
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knows him better than Shanna Well Colin, nobody knows Shanahan
better than Yeah, but he's a defensive coach. Shanahan's gonna
unveil all sorts with his veteran team that's got winning inertia,
winning momentum at home Monday Night football. What part of
the Jets do they rebuild this offseason? The O line
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three veteran O linemen. Oh wait, offensive lines are never
synced up in September, especially with three new players, and
especially now that no veteran offensive lineman really play in
the preseason. Those days are passed. There's only three preseason
games anymore. The league is reducing it and the coaches
are reducing playing starters old starters especially, so think of
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all the games on their schedule you face Shanahan on
the road rebuilt offensive line. Oh, by the way, the
player that knocked Aaron Rodgers out, Leonard Floyd he now
plays for the Niners. You think it's a coincidence. I've
watched the NFL my entire life, manipulate television networks the
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free agent schedule Christmas Day to take away some oxygen
from the NBA. This network and other networks constantly have
to tell baseball and hockey how to create more big events.
The NFL teaches us lessons and they chose Aaron and
San Francisco as the opener. And why would they do that?
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Because Aaron's gotten increasingly controversial and the NFL owns the world.
The last time they were controversial was Colin Kaepernick. It
hurt ratings. They don't want controversy. They don't need controversy,
they don't need clicks. You go look at that jet
schedule with three new offensive linemen plus j Mack, a
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rookie offensive lineman. You think they're going to be humming
Week one against that pass rush. No chance. That is
the toughest game on their schedule in the NFL. Look
at this too, because I don't believe Aaron's driving business anymore.
Mahomes is lamar is alan Is, Cowboys are Packers are
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What did they do to the brand? Friendly? Patrick Mahomes
in the first two weeks, two division row home games
they got. Patrick Mahomes gets to fate my bad. Patrick
Mahomes gets two home games to start, he gets so
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Joe Burrow to start, Lamar Jackson, so brand friendly, Kansas
City Mahomes the biggest rock star, Taylor Swift. They get
him at home and it's friendly. Aaron Rodgers three thousand
mile flight, rebuilt o line offensive coach. I think it's
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a coincidence. Think it's a zany coincidence. Kansas City brand friendly,
put him at home. Everybody wants to start the season
off right arrowhead. They win like seventy five eighty percent
of their games. Think I'm crazy. Shanahan knows Sala's defense
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back and forth. I know what you're saying, Colin, that
is that is way out there. I've watched this league
manipulate networks, free agency, Christmas Day, the draft. They are
constantly aware of who is helping the league and who's
potentially a pain in the butt. Jets owen one off
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the front page. Back to another losing season. I know
it stings j Mack, but it seems to me the
NFL put him in San Francisco to start, and that,
by the way, Monday night foot not the early window,
not the late afternoon. No, the two toughest places to
win in this league are Sunday night football on the
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road and Monday night football on the road. Not a coincidence.
You could have buried that thing in late October, given
air and a couple of nice couple of nice games,
couple of home games, and winning street. No, you could
have had the Niners, you know, coming off the road.
Send them out road, Send them road road. Now the
Jets rote no rested offensive coach at home with, by
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the way, another clever receiving weapon in Ricky Pierson, all
sorts of tricks for Shanahan to play with. Okay, congrats
to OKC. They, unlike Dallas, hit their free throws. They,
unlike Dallas, did not make mistakes. The young team, the
young OKC did all the things right late in the game.
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Congrats to the msga's remarkable player. But I was thinking
about this, is that at any one time, the NBA's
got about a dozen what you would call stars, Like
right now they got about dozen stars. And Luke is
a star, and Yannis and Embiid and yeah, you know
the group. Aunt is becoming us Hateum's a star, SGA's
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a star. In any one time, there's ten to twelve stars,
and usually I'm all in on almost all of them,
but there's always one, maybe two tops that I'm a
little reluctant to embrace. Blake Griffin was one I didn't embrace.
I said, take away the dunks. What do I get?
Can't shoot a jumper. Carmelo Anthony I didn't embrace. Won't defend,
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low efficiency jump shooter. I'm not sure he's in great shape,
not easy to play with. Derek Rose I wouldn't embrace.
Hyper athletic, can't shoot, not sustainable if you have to
score at the rim. Westbrook same thing, hyper athletic, not
a great shooter, and when the ball's not in his hands,
he's not very effective. By the way, those guys no titles.
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I think one finals appearance, like Griffin, Mellow, Rose, Westbrook,
I just wasn't in for it. Luca is not quite
there yet. But I'm getting really close to saying that
about Luca. Yeah, I mean I compared him to Mellow
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when he came into the league. I think he's better
than Mellow, better three point shooter, although he's having a
terrible three point shooting run. But watch Luca when he
doesn't have the ball. Sometimes you can't find him on
the TV screen. He disengages. He doesn't move like a
Steph Curry, whereas a Steph Curry and a Yokich, who
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have combined for five titles five MVPs in counting, constantly
create value when they don't have the b When Luca
doesn't have it, yeah, whatever, you guys, do your thing.
That's the difference between Yokich and Curry and Luca. They
add tremendous value to a team even when they don't
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have the ball. He just screams selfish to me. I
want him to be part of the offense. He wants
to be the offense, almost like when you get that
report card, at least I did when I was like
fifth sixth grade. Doesn't play well with others. Mom saw it.
I had to shape up. Like what are you gonna
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tell him? How are you gonna teach him? I mean again,
since he was like sixteen years old. He's the team,
he's the offense, he's the scorer. He is almost indifferent
to the team when he doesn't have the ball. He
could go to the corner. The closest three doesn't work
for it. I think I saw this morning, like ninety
two of ninety six threes are non corner threes. Why
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isn't he working to get the tho threes? Those are
the easiest threes because when he doesn't have the ball,
he doesn't play well with others, and that really defines
beyond their great talent. Curry and Jokic again, five titles,
five MVPs. So I'm not saying stars can't have off nights.
That happens all the time. Jokics didn't play well in
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the first couple games in Minnesota, got pushed around, rebounded,
and I'm sure Luca will have great other games. But
between the I mean, one of the reasons they're kind
they're kind of in a tough spot in Dallas, so
they don't want Luca to have the ball as much
because they're like nine to zero when his usage rate
is under thirty percent. But when he doesn't have the ball,
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he's a fairly useless player who doesn't play well with others.
Here's Luca on he and Kyrie struggling offensively in the loss.
What's been so difficult for you?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Guys to get in a groove, you know, specifically tonight, but.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Really all series long.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I think they're so focused on us they collapse the
pain very well, you know when we will drive it
and they collects the paint, collapse the pain or almost
five guys. So I think that's been difficult for us.
We just got to find open teammates.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Gotta find open teammates. Just a thought. Now, I know,
Jay Mac, I'm watching you over there, roll your eyes
on that. And again, it's just a conspiracy theory by me.
There's nothing concrete. There's no there's no email from Roger
Goodell to the schedule maker, there's no proof I'm right.
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But I mean, who knows Salah better than Shanahan. What
you don't want to face in the opener is Monday
night football, cross country on the road, with a rebuilt
all line that won't play much in the preseason, and
an offensive coach known for creativity. McVeigh, Reid, Sean Payton
and a hand Those are the guys I don't want
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to open the season with. I'll open it with other coaches,
but offensive coaches. You want to face Andy Reid in
the opener or off a bye no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I know your summer calendar is filling up quickly
with vacations. I think you might need to bake in
a darkness retreat because the stuff you're saying right now
with about the Jets like this is silly color. First
of all, their offensive line's gonna be healthy in Week one.
The old guys that you say are never healthy, just
like how the Lakers should face the Nuggets in the
first round because the Lakers are fresh and healthy. The
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Jets Moses and Tyron Smithy are gonna be healthy. I mean,
they're not gonna play in the preseason. They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I just looked at the line.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I saw an opener of five in the desert, and
then other places are saying forty nine ers six and
a half.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Do you think the Jets will be a six and
a half point dog at any point in this season?
And I'm gonna answer for you.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No. Yeah, great, get the toughest game out of the way,
right out the gate. I don't mind we start ozing one.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Not the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But what's interesting is what if Week two is in Buffalo?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
We'll get the schedule.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
No, no, Buffalo is Miami week too, so we don't have
to worry about it. They will get the Patriots in
week two.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
A cupcake? How about that one?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
An easy a rookie quarterback against Robert Sala's defense.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Boy, this schedule stuff is it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You know, you can start to pencil in games that
you gotta watch and put stuff in the count.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Do you do a shared calendar with your wife by
any chance?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
A shared calend Yeah, where I'll put like Jets game
I cannot miss, like, don't schedule me for anything, can't
do dinner like.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I put in September and October unavailable.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Just two months blocked off.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So I love. I love the schedules coming now. It's
gonna leak out. So by tomorrow's show, we'll have all
the big games. Because the networks, you know, they get
a Fox will come out with their stuff and a
Sunday Night Football will come out with their stuff. But
I'm just saying this league is strategic. They put games
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on day for a reason. They saw weakness with the
very rapidly international NBA having a little weakness with star
power Lebron steph kd Aging, and they went right after
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Did you see they put games up, I believe two
games up against the College football Playoff?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Did you see that the NFL. Nothing is random, nothing's
a coincidence except.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Friday night lights.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
They don't do Friday night football for high school you know, they.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No, no, no, And I think that's that's very appropriate. And
I also think they understand America. The NFL understands that, hey,
we're not going to screw with high school kids. Those
dads and those sons they watch us on Sunday. We're
not gonna screw with those people. College football will go
after NBA. Absolutely, hockey's not a threat, so we don't care.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Cotily.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
We have remote controls, you know that are I'm gonna
get batteries. No change the channel. It's not the end
of the world.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know what I bought the other day, sling? I
do a monthly. Oh okay, I know, I bought another
app because I like, you know, they had some NBA stuff.
Yi all right, interesting wording. Now, on this show, we
often say stuff only gets out when somebody wants it out.
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And that's not a knock on woes. Jay Glazer, Peter Schrager,
great reporters, but stuff gets out when people want it out.
If they don't want it out, you're not getting it interesting.
What got out yesterday? Anybody else noticed that somebody wanted
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it out and it got out, And we'll talk about
that next.
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Speaker 3 (16:51):
The big announcement yesterday the Cowboys will visit the Browns
in America's Game of the Week on Fox on September eight,
So be Tom Brady's debut in the broadcast booth alongside
Kevin Burkhart. The entire NFL schedule will be released Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Night on NFL Network. Hmmm, A lot of pressure on
those two teams. That's that's the pressure game of the
weekend Dallas with Mike McCarthy. There's some real pressure to
win and win early because we know Philadelphia's improved, Washington
will be better, and Cleveland Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrows back,
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Baltimore's rolling Russell Wilson and Pittsburgh that that is the
pressure game in the league. The only person that's really safe,
we know that Kevin Stefanski, the coach of Cleveland is excellent.
So is the GM a pressure in that game. So
I saw this headline, this interesting headline, and I don't
we talked about this last week. One of the things
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I hear all the time is well, next man up
to get the bag. No, that's not that's not That's
not the way it works. The next quarter contract up
does not automatically get the bag. You should overwhelmingly strongly
consider drafting another quarterback before giving a good quarterback the bag.
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And so Jared Goff got a two hundred and twelve
million dollar extension by the Lions. Appropriate and the right
call to a very very sharp young front office. The
headline says, well, where does that leave Dak Prescott and
the Cowboys? I don't know. Those are two different conversations
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because Jared GOB's a much better quarterback than Dak Prescott.
Jared Goff's been to a Super Bowl and two NFC championship,
same conference, rams in the same conference as Dallas Lions
in the same conference can't argue about, well, that guy
did it there at no NFC two NFC championships. Goff's
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done it with two head coaches, multiple coordinator, two rosters,
two different divisions. Goff says much better throw over the football.
Goff's contract extension should not look like Dax because they're
not the same player. In fact, I would argue, as
Goff has become a steady veteran, better than steady, he's
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progressed in his career, gotten older, He's actually gotten better
in the playoffs. His last five playoff games six touchdowns,
no picks, in a passer rating at one to Ozho three.
So as Goff is learning the position, he's become more dependable,
more reliable, a better playoff quarterback. The opposite has been
true for Dak. He is plateaued, and I'd argue he's
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getting worse in the playoffs. If you look at Dak's
last four playoff games, three of the four he's had
a passer rating under ninety, two of the four under seventy. Horrible.
So those are different conversations. IDEA, Well he's next. What
about Kirk Cousins Kirk cousins contract. Go look at kirk
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cousins deal Atlanta in a horrible division. Kirk Cousins can
be an absolute difference maker, as Jared Goff has been
a difference maker in Detroit, winning playoff games. So this
idea that it's well, I mean Goff got his, then
Dak should cross his fingers that he gets an extension. Now,
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I'm not saying Dak won't have a market. I mean
the Raiders didn't get a quarterback. They're gonna need one.
They Absolutely he would create stability like Kirk Cousins will
create stability for Atlanta. Not greatness, but stability. Dak could
create stability for an unstable franchise, the Raiders. But you know,
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Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in thirty two years,
and GoF goes into town and between him and Dan
Campbell have created a culture of toughness and stability that
the city and the franchise are feeding off of. What's
interesting is, don't even consider Goff and Dact the same,
start considering considering Goff and matt Stafford much closer. Yes,
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I said it now, I think Stafford is a greater
overall talent. Both are number one picks. But Jared Goff
and Matthew Stafford since the trade where Stafford went to
a franchise with momentum and McVeigh and Goff went to
a tire fire with a young Dan Campbell, who we
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all thought the opening press conference was a little amateurish.
Both Stafford and Goff have twenty four wins. Goff is
more accurate with completion percentage. Goff has more touchdown passes
the same number of giveaways. So Goff and Stafford are
a much closer calm than Goff and Dak. The numbers,
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I'll tell you, Dak's comp is Kirk Cousins. Goff's comp
statistically is Matt Stafford, and I would argue Stafford's got
the better coach. Now, okay, now Detroit's got the better
old line, although last year the Rams rebuilt the old
line and this year looks really good. But this idea
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in pro sports, pay great money very infrequently, and if
you do that and pay it like in Detroit, to
omor On Saint Brown, Penay Seouol, Jared Goff, maybe a
great pass rusher that will ensure that a franchise has
flexibility going forward. When you're Dallas and you overpay Dak,
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they have no cap space. They got no cap space.
Or if you're like New Orleans, you kept kicking it
down the road, they got no cap space. They can't
make any moves for Derek Carr. So you have to
pay the right select people, very few in Detroit. You
pay GoF, you pay pena Sewel, you pay a star weapon,
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and you pay a pass rusher, maybe a center if
you love him. But there's about five guys in this
league you pay. What you don't do is overpay a
money for a B quarterback. I don't consider GoF to
be a B quarterback. I consider him to be an
a quarterback. And that's I've been going back and forth
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on this for years. I think Goff is a top
ten quarterback. Now he may be closer to ten than five,
but I don't buy for a second. Both he and
Stafford are number one picks for a reason. Dak was
a fourth round pick for a reason. Kirk Cousins was
a fourth round pick for a reason. So don't you
think it's interesting that Dak and Kirk Cousins both fourth
round picks, their stats are dead even after all these years,
and that Stafford and Goff both number one picks all
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these years later. Their stats are even because their talents close. Sir,
Goff and Stafford are different than Cousins and Dak. They're different,
they're better, They throw better football.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You look at me inquisitively today, Nick, right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Next hour, GoF is better than Dak.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
That that's that's not even close.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You say that?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Go look at Goff got basically fifty three million a year,
and I think that's in the marketplace relative to the stars.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
He shouldn't get Mahomes or Alan or Lamar. But I
think fifty three low fifties is where GoF should be.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So based on what Golf got, where do you put
Dak Intua a relative to what golf.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Kak I would do closer to forty three. Tua would
be in the threes.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
With forty three.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So Goff is a ten million dollars a year better
quarterback than Dak.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, well, isn't this You just said he was closer
to ten and Dak is like twelve.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
How could that be a ten?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, you put Dak at twelve. I think Goff's top ten.
I don't think Dak is top. I don't think Dak
is a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, fine, but if let's think you have golf nine,
Dak can't be much further than eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Right big get between nine eight nine or fourteen fifteen.
That's a big site. One guy's average, one guy's elite.
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Speaker 1 (25:47):
Nick did not get a hear my Aaron Rodgers conspiracy theory.
In honor of Aaron's conspiracy theories, I started the show
an hour ago saying, SAE, the NFL does nothing by coincidence.
Everything strategic Christmas Day, take the oxygen out of the
NBA free agent period. They extend it. Hurt March madness.
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This is what the college football They're gonna do games
during the playoff. Nothing is by nothing is random, nothing
is coincidence. They go to the Jets and Aaron Rodgers,
Who's become controversial. The NFL doesn't like controversy. They had
it with Kaepernick. Ratings briefly went down. Aaron increasingly is controversial.
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The single toughest game on their schedule, San Francisco opener,
facing an offensive coach to open the season, Andy Reid,
McVeigh and Shanahan nightmare. Three new offensive linemen veterans, who
doesn't what's the one group in the league that has
hardest to build chemistry? Offensive line? Aaron off an achilles
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surgery against that pass rush. I think the NFL said,
you know what, we got other stars. Caleb Williams will
give him an easy opener. Aaron go to San Francisco,
Am I nuts.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Yes, you are, so, let me tell you I disagree.
So I agree that they don't do anything, you know, accidentally,
everything has forethought. It would appear from what we have
seen from the schedule early the Chiefs getting the Ravens
and the Bengals immediately. Aaron Rodgers' toughest game in one
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of the most marquee games Aaron going back to Northern
California being immediately that the NFL, I think maybe smartly
is saying some of these games are only marquee games
because of the quarterbacks playing, So we want to front
load those games because if Joe Burrow gets hurt at
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some point, then Chiefs Bengals loses all of its appeal.
Last year they saved it to Week sixteen. Burrows out
how many games did the Jets have on national TV
that people then didn't care about because Aaron was out.
I think maybe what you're going to see on this
year's schedule is teams that are really quarterback centric. You're
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going to see a lot of their bigger games early,
with the belief being later in the season the people
will tune in because of playoff implications, because of storylines
early in the season. Let's make sure that these marquee
quarterback matchups have the best chance of having healthy quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
That's how I'm reading it.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Maybe you know your fat, but I think the NFL
would love Aaron to be relevant and good since the
New York Giants are in a gap year. Can I
By the way, speaking of New York Football. Can I
give you not a conspiracy theory, but a long term
prediction okay that I haven't shared.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I don't think anywhere.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
Okay, but you brought up the Jets between anything of
the Giants, So I think it's really on the board.
Daniel Jeremiah alluded to this that Drew Locke ends up
starting more games this year than Daniel Jones, that the
Giants are clearly in a transition period this season.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I think it.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Is on the board that Dak Prescott and Bill Belichick
are a package deal next season to the New York Giants.
That Bill gets to come back to the Giants, they
get to steal away the Cowboys quarterback answer that problem
and Bill instead of because everywhere that Bill could go,
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it's like, well it's the jobs open.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Probably because they don't have a quarterback. You already went
through that.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I think Bill and Dak could go and you could
remake an entire organization head coach and quarterback a year
from now with Dak Prescott the free agent and Bill
Belichick the head coach. And I think the New York
Giants are a very viable possibility there. So just put
that out there, not really a conspiracy theory, just a
long term prediction.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So the Giants once again, we'll pay a quarterback significantly
more than what he's worth. And they think that's the answer.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
That's it's true. That well, that is true. I'll tell
you it's not the answer to success. Drew Locke. I
tell you remember John Schneider when.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
They signed When they signed him, they're like, oh, you know,
he wanted to go somewhere you could compete for a
starting job. Daniel Jones not the answer, Drew Lock's not
the answer. Dak would be the best quarterback they've had
there since Eli had when Eli was.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Good a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I'm gonna throw this out, so generally, sure, Nick, there's
about ten superstars in the NBA star superstar guys, maybe more.
But I'm talking about the real stars, and I generally
like all of them except one. I push back on
Blake Griffin. I said, I don't get it. Take the
dunks out, what do I have? I push back on
Mellow a low efficiency jump shooter. I'm not sure he's
in great shape, doesn't play well with others. I push
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back on Derrick Rose, hyper athletic, can't shoot, scoring at
the rim unsustainable. I pushed back a little bit on Westbrook,
although he was fun to watch, and I often said
I'd to watch Westbrook play, but I didn't think he
was a title guy. And so those are the ones
that I the top of my head, that I push
back to. I'm getting closer to that with Luca who
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oh no, no, hold on who? Unlike Jokic or Steph
when they don't have the ball, Jokich and Steph are
incredibly valuable to teammates. Luca disappears on the TV screen.
He's disengaged. It's very much, Hey, if you get me
a shot or I get a shot, I won't even
work hard for the corner. Three ninety two of his
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ninety six threes, he won't go to the corner. You
don't want to put the work, kid. He literally is
hard to find on the TV screen if he doesn't
have the ball. And I don't know how you take
that indifference, that selfishness and tweak it. I can tweak
your shot, your low post game. I can't tweak indifference.
He's a selfish player who doesn't work without the ball
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if he doesn't have it. Good luck, guys. I didn't
say it was there yet, But I'm getting closer to
him being in that club, all.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Right, I think, all right, well, I think that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
I also think talking about how Luca operates in a
basketball game when he doesn't have the ball is like
talking about how Cowhard operates on this show when he
doesn't have the microphone, Like who cares, He's always gonna
have it, Like, yeah, he's not working on the corner
three because the ball's always.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
In his hands.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
So a few Luka Dancic facks. Just for the record,
Luca has never had home court advantage in a playoff series,
has been the underdog in every playoff series he's ever played.
In his first two playoff series of his career, he
went up against Kawhi and or Paul George on every
single possession, essentially they were healthy in both those series.
Despite that, he averaged thirty three points per game, and
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now this year, he was a couple made free throws
away from being up three to one en route to
his second conference finals in the last three years. I
still the MAVs are gonna win this series. Luca, I
think is having by far not I think I know
his roughest postseason to date.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
There is no denying that.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
And I think yesterday was a crushing loss because they
could have they were leading that game wired to wired,
despite Luca having eighteen and Kyrie not breaking double figures,
and they could have taken a commanding lead in that series.
Luca is not a perfect player, and I don't mind
the yelling at the refs. I don't love the whining
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at the refs. And when he's playing well, he's yelling.
When he's not, it's more whining, and I think it
kind of pulls him down a bit. But there is
no world that exists where he's not one of the
five best players in the league. He has committed himself
more on the defensive end than he had in the past,
and I think right now he's in a bit of
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a slump. He is a great, great player who, by
the way, very well might end up in the NBA
Finals this year. And so so I think you're I
think you're selling him short a bit.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
All right, So, uh, this is one of the knicks
things that he does. It's probably my favorite thing he does.
It's called Club Superstar. He revealed it yesterday. So Nick,
it should be noted that all of us sort of
lean into who we are. And Nick went to clubs,
probably still does, beautiful wife. He goes to clubs. He'll
smoke cigarettes and do club things, and I don't. I
go to workout clubs, do sit ups. You're more of
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a club guy. I mean, I'm going to recall I
called this occasionally. What are you doing? I'm driving home
from playing poker now all night? So that you were
different people.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, that's right. Listen, we don't have to endore personal lives.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I'm sorry Colin that I you know, when I'm off
the clock, I might enjoy myself a bit. I met
my wife when she was promoting a club. It is
a it is a bond between us. So yeah, we
still go on occasionally. Also, as you know, even at
your silly workout clubs you claim to go. Just probably
not in a workout club, probably like a squash club.
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It's you and some CFO with some hedge fund. Yeah,
I mean playing paddle or something, but doesn't matter. They
are one in, one out. You cannot have. You need
a line out the door so people know it's popular
and you can't be over capacity. So NBA Club Superstar
has a twelve person capacity and so we had to
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throw out Damian Lillard, Devin Booker, and Jimmy Butler to
make room for the three newest superstars, SGA, Anthony Edwards
and the most controversial inclusion, Jalen Brunson. Waiting in line
to get in are Kyrie, Donovan, Maxy, Jamal Murray and Wimby.
And then the nine guys who were in last year
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who stayed in are Tatum, Luca Durant and be Joker,
Giannis lebron Ad and Steph.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Now. I know you.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Probably are ready to kick Anthony Davis out and put
in I don't know who, but I'm certain that's your
first guy out.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
No, that's club Superstar.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
No, I agree with your picks, I really do. I
think I have no problem with Brunson. You know your
your legacy has to be to a large degree. You
taught me this year's ago. You said, when you bang
on a guy about his defense, you're like, you know,
outside of Russell that era, seventy percent of the NBA
is offense, not defense. And the truth is when it
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comes to legacy, seventy percent of its playoffs not regular season,
there's a different intensity. Brunson's a better playoff guy than
a regular season guy. I have no problem with Brunson
being in. So this is the Club Superstar.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
We opened it yesterday.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
And then the question I would have for you Colin
before we move on. Let I think it's a pretty
good bet that Wimby gets in next year.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
If not Wimby's someone else. So who do you think
of those twelve in ant Man, Giannis lebron A D
Steph Joker, Embiid, Sga KD, Luca Tatum, Brunson, who do
you think is the most nervous, because again it's one in,
one out.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
If Wimby comes in, someone's got to go out.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Who do you think is on the bubble right now
on Club Superstar.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You know I don't hold Embiid in the same regard
the rest of the world does. Oh wow, I don't wow.
Oh I hate again? Playoffs, regular season. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
All right, you're consistent with it. That's fair.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
Also, by the way, I don't know if you can
see Steph Curry is in the can Kon room, which
means you didn't make the playoffs. The club does not
allow you to stay in that room for consecutive years,
which means if he's if they missed the playoffs next.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Year, steps out. It's just the rules of the club.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Gambi Superstar miss playoffs, twoyears in a row, It's just
the rules.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Do you guys have a door? What do they call that?
When you go to a club and you play bouncers
not the bouncers?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
What do you? Oh? Oh, door charge? What it costs?
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's two it's two hundred dollars. But you're
on the list. You would get in for free.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Okay. Finally, so in my theory that they're making it
a little tougher on Aaron Rodgers brand friendly Kansas City
opens with a couple of home games. Andy Reid's great
in September, even greater at home in September. And I
do believe the league likes the Chiefs. Thinks they're Midwest,
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likable coach who loves his short ribsen Burgers, Mahomes stays
out of it, fun loving. What did you make of
the back to back home games the Chiefs got, Well.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Listen, I think I think this is the ideal start
to the season for the Chiefs. And I think if
I were Baltimore or Cincinnati, I'm really not happy about it. Now, listen,
who they're playing and where they're playing. That is set
in stone, and it's not set by the league. So
they were going to get a home game against Baltimore,
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and they were going to get a home game against Cincinnati.
But putting them where they put them in the schedule,
I think is massively advantageous to the Chiefs. So let's
deal with them each individually. If you're Baltimore, I know
we don't talk about AFC Championship Game hangovers. We talk
about Super Bowl hangovers. But think about it, Colin, last
year was the best season you have had for your
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franchise in more than a decade. You win the league, MVP,
you are, you have a dominant playoff game in round two,
you are hosting the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
It's your time. And now the next.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
Game you play is in their building. Watching them hang
the banner you thought you were gonna get.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
To hang that is devastating.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
And if the Chiefs beat them, then I think that
can set their season off.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
You know, a skew to start with.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
And then if you're Cincinnati, you're saying, wait a minute,
Joe Burrow, we start slow every year for some reason
since Joe Burrow has been here every single year. We've
lost our Week two game. Every single year, We've been
at or below five hundred and through two weeks, and
now our most important game.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Not only are you putting it in Week two, but
the Chiefs get extra rest.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
The Chiefs are gonna be on a mini buy for
our biggest game of the year at home. We're gonna
be coming off regular rest. So I think if I
were Baltimore Cincinnati, I'd be furious if you're at Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
I mean, listen, let's be honest.
Speaker 7 (40:28):
I mean, the Chiefs probably should have been in five
straight Super Bowls if not for you know, an odd
quarter of football by Patrick.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Mahomes against these Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
They've been getting revenge on them ever since, and now
they're gonna become the first team ever to win three
Super Bowls in a row. What better way to start
the year than dispatching of the Ravens and the Bengals
to start to let everyone know this year is not
gonna be like last year, where there's real trepidation.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
It's gonna be smooth sailing from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
It's a pleasure to see you, Mick I really appreciated
that year too, Buddy, the Club Superstar, the Cancun Room.
It's a nice time.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
All right?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Well you by the.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
Way, I'm in LA on Friday and I'm going to
crash your show.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
I'm coming on your.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Show Friday, and after the show we can go. I
don't know, Bootsy Bellows one of your favorite La hot
spots that evening. I'm in town, Buddy, where are you.
I'm going to take Coward out on the town. It'll
be a great time.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
There's an Applebee's right around the corner. Let's hit it, okay, Nick, Right,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Oh What a Tuesday show, brimming with everything from rants
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Also streaming show Sugar with Colin ferrell Saney watched the
entire thing in the afternoon because Greg the put Us
said it was great, went home and watched the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Wow. I had that on the list of shows to watch,
but it's episode six.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Gets Danny, But I want to talk football now. Now.
We both love football and the NFL more than any league.
Would you agree with this They know how to play
television schedules, free agency. They even look at shows like this,
where can we get the most free TV? So the
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NFL schedule released tonight or tomorrow, but a few games
are leaking out. And I know how much Aaron Rodgers
loves conspiracy theories. He doesn't view them as such, but
many people do. So I thought, well, let me throw
one of my favorites out, the forty nine ers on
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Monday Night Football, the first Monday Night football game. That's
ohways a crazy crowd. Host Aaron and the New York Jets.
You think it's a coincidence The NFL looked at the
Jets schedule and said, what would be the toughest game? Hmm,
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Travel three thousand miles and face Kyle Shanahan, a brilliant
offensive coach in the opener Monday Night Football, the first
Monday Night football game. Think about this. Offensive coaches Andy
Reid in September best coach in the league McVeigh six
and one in openers Shanahan. Offensive coaches are much tougher
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to face off, buys extra time to prepare and in openers.
Go ask Pete Carroll what it was like to face
McVeagh last year in the opener, when the heavily underdog
Road Rams went to Seattle and unveiled an entirely different
run scheme, Pete and the Seahawks were lost for three
and a half hours. Robert saw a defensive coach. Nobody
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knows him better than Shanna Well Colin, nobody knows Shanahan
better than Yeah, but he's a defensive coach. Shanahan's gonna
unveil all sorts with his veteran team that's got winning inertia,
winning momentum at home Monday Night football. What part of
the Jets do they rebuild this offseason? The O line
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three veteran O linemen. Oh wait, offensive lines are never
synced up in September, especially with three new players, and
especially now that no veteran offensive lineman really play in
the preseason. Those days are passed. There's only three preseason
games anymore. The league is reducing it and the coaches
are reducing playing starters old starters especially, so think of
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all the games on their schedule you face Shanahan on
the road rebuilt offensive line. Oh, by the way, the
player that knocked Aaron Rodgers out, Leonard Floyd he now
plays for the Niners. You think it's a coincidence. I've
watched the NFL my entire life, manipulate television networks the
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free agent schedule Christmas Day to take away some oxygen
from the NBA. This network and other networks constantly have
to tell baseball and hockey how to create more big events.
The NFL teaches us lessons and they chose Aaron and
San Francisco as the opener. And why would they do that?
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Because Aaron's gotten increasingly controversial and the NFL owns the world.
The last time they were controversial was Colin Kaepernick. It
hurt ratings. They don't want controversy. They don't need controversy,
they don't need clicks. You go look at that jet
schedule with three new offensive linemen plus j Mack, a
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rookie offensive lineman. You think they're going to be humming
Week one against that pass rush. No chance. That is
the toughest game on their schedule in the NFL. Look
at this too, because I don't believe Aaron's driving business anymore.
Mahomes is lamar is alan Is, Cowboys are Packers are
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What did they do to the brand? Friendly? Patrick Mahomes
in the first two weeks, two division row home games
they got. Patrick Mahomes gets to fate my bad. Patrick
Mahomes gets two home games to start, he gets so
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Joe Burrow to start, Lamar Jackson, so brand friendly, Kansas
City Mahomes the biggest rock star, Taylor Swift. They get
him at home and it's friendly. Aaron Rodgers three thousand
mile flight, rebuilt o line offensive coach. I think it's
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a coincidence. Think it's a zany coincidence. Kansas City brand friendly,
put him at home. Everybody wants to start the season
off right arrowhead. They win like seventy five eighty percent
of their games. Think I'm crazy. Shanahan knows Sala's defense
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back and forth. I know what you're saying, Colin, that
is that is way out there. I've watched this league
manipulate networks, free agency, Christmas Day, the draft. They are
constantly aware of who is helping the league and who's
potentially a pain in the butt. Jets owen one off
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the front page. Back to another losing season. I know
it stings j Mack, but it seems to me the
NFL put him in San Francisco to start, and that,
by the way, Monday night foot not the early window,
not the late afternoon. No, the two toughest places to
win in this league are Sunday night football on the
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road and Monday night football on the road. Not a coincidence.
You could have buried that thing in late October, given
air and a couple of nice couple of nice games,
couple of home games, and winning street. No, you could
have had the Niners, you know, coming off the road.
Send them out road, Send them road road. Now the
Jets rote no rested offensive coach at home with, by
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the way, another clever receiving weapon in Ricky Pierson, all
sorts of tricks for Shanahan to play with. Okay, congrats
to OKC. They, unlike Dallas, hit their free throws. They,
unlike Dallas, did not make mistakes. The young team, the
young OKC did all the things right late in the game.
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Congrats to the msga's remarkable player. But I was thinking
about this, is that at any one time, the NBA's
got about a dozen what you would call stars, Like
right now they got about dozen stars. And Luke is
a star, and Yannis and Embiid and yeah, you know
the group. Aunt is becoming us Hateum's a star, SGA's
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a star. In any one time, there's ten to twelve stars,
and usually I'm all in on almost all of them,
but there's always one, maybe two tops that I'm a
little reluctant to embrace. Blake Griffin was one I didn't embrace.
I said, take away the dunks. What do I get?
Can't shoot a jumper. Carmelo Anthony I didn't embrace. Won't defend,
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low efficiency jump shooter. I'm not sure he's in great shape,
not easy to play with. Derek Rose I wouldn't embrace.
Hyper athletic, can't shoot, not sustainable if you have to
score at the rim. Westbrook same thing, hyper athletic, not
a great shooter, and when the ball's not in his hands,
he's not very effective. By the way, those guys no titles.
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I think one finals appearance, like Griffin, Mellow, Rose, Westbrook,
I just wasn't in for it. Luca is not quite
there yet. But I'm getting really close to saying that
about Luca. Yeah, I mean I compared him to Mellow
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when he came into the league. I think he's better
than Mellow, better three point shooter, although he's having a
terrible three point shooting run. But watch Luca when he
doesn't have the ball. Sometimes you can't find him on
the TV screen. He disengages. He doesn't move like a
Steph Curry, whereas a Steph Curry and a Yokich, who
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have combined for five titles five MVPs in counting, constantly
create value when they don't have the b When Luca
doesn't have it, yeah, whatever, you guys, do your thing.
That's the difference between Yokich and Curry and Luca. They
add tremendous value to a team even when they don't
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have the ball. He just screams selfish to me. I
want him to be part of the offense. He wants
to be the offense, almost like when you get that
report card, at least I did when I was like
fifth sixth grade. Doesn't play well with others. Mom saw it.
I had to shape up. Like what are you gonna
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tell him? How are you gonna teach him? I mean again,
since he was like sixteen years old. He's the team,
he's the offense, he's the scorer. He is almost indifferent
to the team when he doesn't have the ball. He
could go to the corner. The closest three doesn't work
for it. I think I saw this morning, like ninety
two of ninety six threes are non corner threes. Why
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isn't he working to get the tho threes? Those are
the easiest threes because when he doesn't have the ball,
he doesn't play well with others, and that really defines
beyond their great talent. Curry and Jokic again, five titles,
five MVPs. So I'm not saying stars can't have off nights.
That happens all the time. Jokics didn't play well in
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the first couple games in Minnesota, got pushed around, rebounded,
and I'm sure Luca will have great other games. But
between the I mean, one of the reasons they're kind
they're kind of in a tough spot in Dallas, so
they don't want Luca to have the ball as much
because they're like nine to zero when his usage rate
is under thirty percent. But when he doesn't have the ball,
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he's a fairly useless player who doesn't play well with others.
Here's Luca on he and Kyrie struggling offensively in the loss.
What's been so difficult for you?
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Guys to get in a groove, you know, specifically tonight, but.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Really all series long.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I think they're so focused on us they collapse the
pain very well, you know when we will drive it
and they collects the paint, collapse the pain or almost
five guys. So I think that's been difficult for us.
We just got to find open teammates.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Gotta find open teammates. Just a thought. Now, I know,
Jay Mac, I'm watching you over there, roll your eyes
on that. And again, it's just a conspiracy theory by me.
There's nothing concrete. There's no there's no email from Roger
Goodell to the schedule maker, there's no proof I'm right.
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But I mean, who knows Salah better than Shanahan. What
you don't want to face in the opener is Monday
night football, cross country on the road, with a rebuilt
all line that won't play much in the preseason, and
an offensive coach known for creativity. McVeigh, Reid, Sean Payton
and a hand Those are the guys I don't want
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to open the season with. I'll open it with other coaches,
but offensive coaches. You want to face Andy Reid in
the opener or off a bye no, thank you.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
So I know your summer calendar is filling up quickly
with vacations. I think you might need to bake in
a darkness retreat because the stuff you're saying right now
with about the Jets like this is silly color. First
of all, their offensive line's gonna be healthy in Week one.
The old guys that you say are never healthy, just
like how the Lakers should face the Nuggets in the
first round because the Lakers are fresh and healthy. The
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Jets Moses and Tyron Smithy are gonna be healthy. I mean,
they're not gonna play in the preseason. They're gonna be fine.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
I just looked at the line.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
I saw an opener of five in the desert, and
then other places are saying forty nine ers six and
a half.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Do you think the Jets will be a six and
a half point dog at any point in this season?
And I'm gonna answer for you.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
No. Yeah, great, get the toughest game out of the way,
right out the gate. I don't mind we start ozing one.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Not the end of the world.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
But what's interesting is what if Week two is in Buffalo?
Speaker 5 (14:02):
We'll get the schedule.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
No, no, Buffalo is Miami week too, so we don't have
to worry about it. They will get the Patriots in
week two.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
A cupcake? How about that one?
Speaker 3 (14:08):
An easy a rookie quarterback against Robert Sala's defense.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Boy, this schedule stuff is it's exciting.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You know, you can start to pencil in games that
you gotta watch and put stuff in the count.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Do you do a shared calendar with your wife by
any chance?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
A shared calend Yeah, where I'll put like Jets game
I cannot miss, like, don't schedule me for anything, can't
do dinner like.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I put in September and October unavailable.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Just two months blocked off.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So I love. I love the schedules coming now. It's
gonna leak out. So by tomorrow's show, we'll have all
the big games. Because the networks, you know, they get
a Fox will come out with their stuff and a
Sunday Night Football will come out with their stuff. But
I'm just saying this league is strategic. They put games
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on day for a reason. They saw weakness with the
very rapidly international NBA having a little weakness with star
power Lebron steph kd Aging, and they went right after
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Did you see they put games up, I believe two
games up against the College football Playoff?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Did you see that the NFL. Nothing is random, nothing's
a coincidence except.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Friday night lights.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
They don't do Friday night football for high school you know, they.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
No, no, no, And I think that's that's very appropriate. And
I also think they understand America. The NFL understands that, hey,
we're not going to screw with high school kids. Those
dads and those sons they watch us on Sunday. We're
not gonna screw with those people. College football will go
after NBA. Absolutely, hockey's not a threat, so we don't care.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Cotily.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
We have remote controls, you know that are I'm gonna
get batteries. No change the channel. It's not the end
of the world.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
You know what I bought the other day, sling? I
do a monthly. Oh okay, I know, I bought another
app because I like, you know, they had some NBA stuff.
Yi all right, interesting wording. Now, on this show, we
often say stuff only gets out when somebody wants it out.
(16:14):
And that's not a knock on woes. Jay Glazer, Peter Schrager,
great reporters, but stuff gets out when people want it out.
If they don't want it out, you're not getting it interesting.
What got out yesterday? Anybody else noticed that somebody wanted
(16:35):
it out and it got out, And we'll talk about
that next.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
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Speaker 3 (16:51):
The big announcement yesterday the Cowboys will visit the Browns
in America's Game of the Week on Fox on September eight,
So be Tom Brady's debut in the broadcast booth alongside
Kevin Burkhart. The entire NFL schedule will be released Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Night on NFL Network. Hmmm, A lot of pressure on
those two teams. That's that's the pressure game of the
weekend Dallas with Mike McCarthy. There's some real pressure to
win and win early because we know Philadelphia's improved, Washington
will be better, and Cleveland Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrows back,
(17:29):
Baltimore's rolling Russell Wilson and Pittsburgh that that is the
pressure game in the league. The only person that's really safe,
we know that Kevin Stefanski, the coach of Cleveland is excellent.
So is the GM a pressure in that game. So
I saw this headline, this interesting headline, and I don't
we talked about this last week. One of the things
(17:51):
I hear all the time is well, next man up
to get the bag. No, that's not that's not That's
not the way it works. The next quarter contract up
does not automatically get the bag. You should overwhelmingly strongly
consider drafting another quarterback before giving a good quarterback the bag.
(18:14):
And so Jared Goff got a two hundred and twelve
million dollar extension by the Lions. Appropriate and the right
call to a very very sharp young front office. The
headline says, well, where does that leave Dak Prescott and
the Cowboys? I don't know. Those are two different conversations
(18:34):
because Jared GOB's a much better quarterback than Dak Prescott.
Jared Goff's been to a Super Bowl and two NFC championship,
same conference, rams in the same conference as Dallas Lions
in the same conference can't argue about, well, that guy
did it there at no NFC two NFC championships. Goff's
(18:57):
done it with two head coaches, multiple coordinator, two rosters,
two different divisions. Goff says much better throw over the football.
Goff's contract extension should not look like Dax because they're
not the same player. In fact, I would argue, as
Goff has become a steady veteran, better than steady, he's
(19:20):
progressed in his career, gotten older, He's actually gotten better
in the playoffs. His last five playoff games six touchdowns,
no picks, in a passer rating at one to Ozho three.
So as Goff is learning the position, he's become more dependable,
more reliable, a better playoff quarterback. The opposite has been
true for Dak. He is plateaued, and I'd argue he's
(19:42):
getting worse in the playoffs. If you look at Dak's
last four playoff games, three of the four he's had
a passer rating under ninety, two of the four under seventy. Horrible.
So those are different conversations. IDEA, Well he's next. What
about Kirk Cousins Kirk cousins contract. Go look at kirk
(20:07):
cousins deal Atlanta in a horrible division. Kirk Cousins can
be an absolute difference maker, as Jared Goff has been
a difference maker in Detroit, winning playoff games. So this
idea that it's well, I mean Goff got his, then
Dak should cross his fingers that he gets an extension. Now,
(20:28):
I'm not saying Dak won't have a market. I mean
the Raiders didn't get a quarterback. They're gonna need one.
They Absolutely he would create stability like Kirk Cousins will
create stability for Atlanta. Not greatness, but stability. Dak could
create stability for an unstable franchise, the Raiders. But you know,
(20:49):
Detroit hadn't won a playoff game in thirty two years,
and GoF goes into town and between him and Dan
Campbell have created a culture of toughness and stability that
the city and the franchise are feeding off of. What's
interesting is, don't even consider Goff and Dact the same,
start considering considering Goff and matt Stafford much closer. Yes,
(21:16):
I said it now, I think Stafford is a greater
overall talent. Both are number one picks. But Jared Goff
and Matthew Stafford since the trade where Stafford went to
a franchise with momentum and McVeigh and Goff went to
a tire fire with a young Dan Campbell, who we
(21:38):
all thought the opening press conference was a little amateurish.
Both Stafford and Goff have twenty four wins. Goff is
more accurate with completion percentage. Goff has more touchdown passes
the same number of giveaways. So Goff and Stafford are
a much closer calm than Goff and Dak. The numbers,
(22:03):
I'll tell you, Dak's comp is Kirk Cousins. Goff's comp
statistically is Matt Stafford, and I would argue Stafford's got
the better coach. Now, okay, now Detroit's got the better
old line, although last year the Rams rebuilt the old
line and this year looks really good. But this idea
(22:23):
in pro sports, pay great money very infrequently, and if
you do that and pay it like in Detroit, to
omor On Saint Brown, Penay Seouol, Jared Goff, maybe a
great pass rusher that will ensure that a franchise has
flexibility going forward. When you're Dallas and you overpay Dak,
(22:50):
they have no cap space. They got no cap space.
Or if you're like New Orleans, you kept kicking it
down the road, they got no cap space. They can't
make any moves for Derek Carr. So you have to
pay the right select people, very few in Detroit. You
pay GoF, you pay pena Sewel, you pay a star weapon,
(23:10):
and you pay a pass rusher, maybe a center if
you love him. But there's about five guys in this
league you pay. What you don't do is overpay a
money for a B quarterback. I don't consider GoF to
be a B quarterback. I consider him to be an
a quarterback. And that's I've been going back and forth
(23:31):
on this for years. I think Goff is a top
ten quarterback. Now he may be closer to ten than five,
but I don't buy for a second. Both he and
Stafford are number one picks for a reason. Dak was
a fourth round pick for a reason. Kirk Cousins was
a fourth round pick for a reason. So don't you
think it's interesting that Dak and Kirk Cousins both fourth
round picks, their stats are dead even after all these years,
and that Stafford and Goff both number one picks all
(23:55):
these years later. Their stats are even because their talents close. Sir,
Goff and Stafford are different than Cousins and Dak. They're different,
they're better, They throw better football.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
J Mack.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
You look at me inquisitively today, Nick, right.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Next hour, GoF is better than Dak.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
That that's that's not even close.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You say that?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Go look at Goff got basically fifty three million a year,
and I think that's in the marketplace relative to the stars.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
He shouldn't get Mahomes or Alan or Lamar. But I
think fifty three low fifties is where GoF should be.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
So based on what Golf got, where do you put
Dak Intua a relative to what golf.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Kak I would do closer to forty three. Tua would
be in the threes.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
With forty three.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
So Goff is a ten million dollars a year better
quarterback than Dak.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, well, isn't this You just said he was closer
to ten and Dak is like twelve.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
How could that be a ten?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
No, you put Dak at twelve. I think Goff's top ten.
I don't think Dak is top. I don't think Dak
is a top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay, fine, but if let's think you have golf nine,
Dak can't be much further than eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Right big get between nine eight nine or fourteen fifteen.
That's a big site. One guy's average, one guy's elite.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
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Speaker 1 (25:47):
Nick did not get a hear my Aaron Rodgers conspiracy theory.
In honor of Aaron's conspiracy theories, I started the show
an hour ago saying, SAE, the NFL does nothing by coincidence.
Everything strategic Christmas Day, take the oxygen out of the
NBA free agent period. They extend it. Hurt March madness.
(26:12):
This is what the college football They're gonna do games
during the playoff. Nothing is by nothing is random, nothing
is coincidence. They go to the Jets and Aaron Rodgers,
Who's become controversial. The NFL doesn't like controversy. They had
it with Kaepernick. Ratings briefly went down. Aaron increasingly is controversial.
(26:33):
The single toughest game on their schedule, San Francisco opener,
facing an offensive coach to open the season, Andy Reid,
McVeigh and Shanahan nightmare. Three new offensive linemen veterans, who
doesn't what's the one group in the league that has
hardest to build chemistry? Offensive line? Aaron off an achilles
(26:55):
surgery against that pass rush. I think the NFL said,
you know what, we got other stars. Caleb Williams will
give him an easy opener. Aaron go to San Francisco,
Am I nuts.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
Yes, you are, so, let me tell you I disagree.
So I agree that they don't do anything, you know, accidentally,
everything has forethought. It would appear from what we have
seen from the schedule early the Chiefs getting the Ravens
and the Bengals immediately. Aaron Rodgers' toughest game in one
(27:32):
of the most marquee games Aaron going back to Northern
California being immediately that the NFL, I think maybe smartly
is saying some of these games are only marquee games
because of the quarterbacks playing, So we want to front
load those games because if Joe Burrow gets hurt at
(27:56):
some point, then Chiefs Bengals loses all of its appeal.
Last year they saved it to Week sixteen. Burrows out
how many games did the Jets have on national TV
that people then didn't care about because Aaron was out.
I think maybe what you're going to see on this
year's schedule is teams that are really quarterback centric. You're
(28:17):
going to see a lot of their bigger games early,
with the belief being later in the season the people
will tune in because of playoff implications, because of storylines
early in the season. Let's make sure that these marquee
quarterback matchups have the best chance of having healthy quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
That's how I'm reading it.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
Maybe you know your fat, but I think the NFL
would love Aaron to be relevant and good since the
New York Giants are in a gap year. Can I
By the way, speaking of New York Football. Can I
give you not a conspiracy theory, but a long term
prediction okay that I haven't shared.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I don't think anywhere.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
Okay, but you brought up the Jets between anything of
the Giants, So I think it's really on the board.
Daniel Jeremiah alluded to this that Drew Locke ends up
starting more games this year than Daniel Jones, that the
Giants are clearly in a transition period this season.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I think it.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Is on the board that Dak Prescott and Bill Belichick
are a package deal next season to the New York Giants.
That Bill gets to come back to the Giants, they
get to steal away the Cowboys quarterback answer that problem
and Bill instead of because everywhere that Bill could go,
(29:36):
it's like, well it's the jobs open.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
Probably because they don't have a quarterback. You already went
through that.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
I think Bill and Dak could go and you could
remake an entire organization head coach and quarterback a year
from now with Dak Prescott the free agent and Bill
Belichick the head coach. And I think the New York
Giants are a very viable possibility there. So just put
that out there, not really a conspiracy theory, just a
long term prediction.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So the Giants once again, we'll pay a quarterback significantly
more than what he's worth. And they think that's the answer.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
That's it's true. That well, that is true. I'll tell
you it's not the answer to success. Drew Locke. I
tell you remember John Schneider when.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
They signed When they signed him, they're like, oh, you know,
he wanted to go somewhere you could compete for a
starting job. Daniel Jones not the answer, Drew Lock's not
the answer. Dak would be the best quarterback they've had
there since Eli had when Eli was.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
Good a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I'm gonna throw this out, so generally, sure, Nick, there's
about ten superstars in the NBA star superstar guys, maybe more.
But I'm talking about the real stars, and I generally
like all of them except one. I push back on
Blake Griffin. I said, I don't get it. Take the
dunks out, what do I have? I push back on
Mellow a low efficiency jump shooter. I'm not sure he's
in great shape, doesn't play well with others. I push
(30:50):
back on Derrick Rose, hyper athletic, can't shoot, scoring at
the rim unsustainable. I pushed back a little bit on Westbrook,
although he was fun to watch, and I often said
I'd to watch Westbrook play, but I didn't think he
was a title guy. And so those are the ones
that I the top of my head, that I push
back to. I'm getting closer to that with Luca who
(31:13):
oh no, no, hold on who? Unlike Jokic or Steph
when they don't have the ball, Jokich and Steph are
incredibly valuable to teammates. Luca disappears on the TV screen.
He's disengaged. It's very much, Hey, if you get me
a shot or I get a shot, I won't even
work hard for the corner. Three ninety two of his
(31:35):
ninety six threes, he won't go to the corner. You
don't want to put the work, kid. He literally is
hard to find on the TV screen if he doesn't
have the ball. And I don't know how you take
that indifference, that selfishness and tweak it. I can tweak
your shot, your low post game. I can't tweak indifference.
He's a selfish player who doesn't work without the ball
(31:57):
if he doesn't have it. Good luck, guys. I didn't
say it was there yet, But I'm getting closer to
him being in that club, all.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Right, I think, all right, well, I think that's crazy.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
I also think talking about how Luca operates in a
basketball game when he doesn't have the ball is like
talking about how Cowhard operates on this show when he
doesn't have the microphone, Like who cares, He's always gonna
have it, Like, yeah, he's not working on the corner
three because the ball's always.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
In his hands.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
So a few Luka Dancic facks. Just for the record,
Luca has never had home court advantage in a playoff series,
has been the underdog in every playoff series he's ever played.
In his first two playoff series of his career, he
went up against Kawhi and or Paul George on every
single possession, essentially they were healthy in both those series.
Despite that, he averaged thirty three points per game, and
(32:49):
now this year, he was a couple made free throws
away from being up three to one en route to
his second conference finals in the last three years. I
still the MAVs are gonna win this series. Luca, I
think is having by far not I think I know
his roughest postseason to date.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
There is no denying that.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
And I think yesterday was a crushing loss because they
could have they were leading that game wired to wired,
despite Luca having eighteen and Kyrie not breaking double figures,
and they could have taken a commanding lead in that series.
Luca is not a perfect player, and I don't mind
the yelling at the refs. I don't love the whining
(33:31):
at the refs. And when he's playing well, he's yelling.
When he's not, it's more whining, and I think it
kind of pulls him down a bit. But there is
no world that exists where he's not one of the
five best players in the league. He has committed himself
more on the defensive end than he had in the past,
and I think right now he's in a bit of
(33:51):
a slump. He is a great, great player who, by
the way, very well might end up in the NBA
Finals this year. And so so I think you're I
think you're selling him short a bit.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
All right, So, uh, this is one of the knicks
things that he does. It's probably my favorite thing he does.
It's called Club Superstar. He revealed it yesterday. So Nick,
it should be noted that all of us sort of
lean into who we are. And Nick went to clubs,
probably still does, beautiful wife. He goes to clubs. He'll
smoke cigarettes and do club things, and I don't. I
go to workout clubs, do sit ups. You're more of
(34:25):
a club guy. I mean, I'm going to recall I
called this occasionally. What are you doing? I'm driving home
from playing poker now all night? So that you were
different people.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, that's right. Listen, we don't have to endore personal lives.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
I'm sorry Colin that I you know, when I'm off
the clock, I might enjoy myself a bit. I met
my wife when she was promoting a club. It is
a it is a bond between us. So yeah, we
still go on occasionally. Also, as you know, even at
your silly workout clubs you claim to go. Just probably
not in a workout club, probably like a squash club.
(35:00):
It's you and some CFO with some hedge fund. Yeah,
I mean playing paddle or something, but doesn't matter. They
are one in, one out. You cannot have. You need
a line out the door so people know it's popular
and you can't be over capacity. So NBA Club Superstar
has a twelve person capacity and so we had to
(35:23):
throw out Damian Lillard, Devin Booker, and Jimmy Butler to
make room for the three newest superstars, SGA, Anthony Edwards
and the most controversial inclusion, Jalen Brunson. Waiting in line
to get in are Kyrie, Donovan, Maxy, Jamal Murray and Wimby.
And then the nine guys who were in last year
(35:45):
who stayed in are Tatum, Luca Durant and be Joker,
Giannis lebron Ad and Steph.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Now. I know you.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Probably are ready to kick Anthony Davis out and put
in I don't know who, but I'm certain that's your
first guy out.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
No, that's club Superstar.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
No, I agree with your picks, I really do. I
think I have no problem with Brunson. You know your
your legacy has to be to a large degree. You
taught me this year's ago. You said, when you bang
on a guy about his defense, you're like, you know,
outside of Russell that era, seventy percent of the NBA
is offense, not defense. And the truth is when it
(36:24):
comes to legacy, seventy percent of its playoffs not regular season,
there's a different intensity. Brunson's a better playoff guy than
a regular season guy. I have no problem with Brunson
being in. So this is the Club Superstar.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
We opened it yesterday.
Speaker 7 (36:41):
And then the question I would have for you Colin
before we move on. Let I think it's a pretty
good bet that Wimby gets in next year.
Speaker 5 (36:50):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
If not Wimby's someone else. So who do you think
of those twelve in ant Man, Giannis lebron A D
Steph Joker, Embiid, Sga KD, Luca Tatum, Brunson, who do
you think is the most nervous, because again it's one in,
one out.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
If Wimby comes in, someone's got to go out.
Speaker 7 (37:11):
Who do you think is on the bubble right now
on Club Superstar.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
You know I don't hold Embiid in the same regard
the rest of the world does. Oh wow, I don't wow.
Oh I hate again? Playoffs, regular season. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
All right, you're consistent with it. That's fair.
Speaker 7 (37:28):
Also, by the way, I don't know if you can
see Steph Curry is in the can Kon room, which
means you didn't make the playoffs. The club does not
allow you to stay in that room for consecutive years,
which means if he's if they missed the playoffs next.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Year, steps out. It's just the rules of the club.
Speaker 7 (37:44):
Gambi Superstar miss playoffs, twoyears in a row, It's just
the rules.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Do you guys have a door? What do they call that?
When you go to a club and you play bouncers
not the bouncers?
Speaker 5 (37:52):
What do you? Oh? Oh, door charge? What it costs?
Speaker 7 (37:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's two it's two hundred dollars. But you're
on the list. You would get in for free.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Okay. Finally, so in my theory that they're making it
a little tougher on Aaron Rodgers brand friendly Kansas City
opens with a couple of home games. Andy Reid's great
in September, even greater at home in September. And I
do believe the league likes the Chiefs. Thinks they're Midwest,
(38:25):
likable coach who loves his short ribsen Burgers, Mahomes stays
out of it, fun loving. What did you make of
the back to back home games the Chiefs got, Well.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
Listen, I think I think this is the ideal start
to the season for the Chiefs. And I think if
I were Baltimore or Cincinnati, I'm really not happy about it. Now, listen,
who they're playing and where they're playing. That is set
in stone, and it's not set by the league. So
they were going to get a home game against Baltimore,
(38:57):
and they were going to get a home game against Cincinnati.
But putting them where they put them in the schedule,
I think is massively advantageous to the Chiefs. So let's
deal with them each individually. If you're Baltimore, I know
we don't talk about AFC Championship Game hangovers. We talk
about Super Bowl hangovers. But think about it, Colin, last
year was the best season you have had for your
(39:20):
franchise in more than a decade. You win the league, MVP,
you are, you have a dominant playoff game in round two,
you are hosting the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
It's your time. And now the next.
Speaker 7 (39:34):
Game you play is in their building. Watching them hang
the banner you thought you were gonna get.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
To hang that is devastating.
Speaker 7 (39:42):
And if the Chiefs beat them, then I think that
can set their season off.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
You know, a skew to start with.
Speaker 7 (39:49):
And then if you're Cincinnati, you're saying, wait a minute,
Joe Burrow, we start slow every year for some reason
since Joe Burrow has been here every single year. We've
lost our Week two game. Every single year, We've been
at or below five hundred and through two weeks, and
now our most important game.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Not only are you putting it in Week two, but
the Chiefs get extra rest.
Speaker 7 (40:14):
The Chiefs are gonna be on a mini buy for
our biggest game of the year at home. We're gonna
be coming off regular rest. So I think if I
were Baltimore Cincinnati, I'd be furious if you're at Kansas City.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
I mean, listen, let's be honest.
Speaker 7 (40:28):
I mean, the Chiefs probably should have been in five
straight Super Bowls if not for you know, an odd
quarter of football by Patrick.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
Mahomes against these Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
They've been getting revenge on them ever since, and now
they're gonna become the first team ever to win three
Super Bowls in a row. What better way to start
the year than dispatching of the Ravens and the Bengals
to start to let everyone know this year is not
gonna be like last year, where there's real trepidation.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
It's gonna be smooth sailing from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
It's a pleasure to see you, Mick I really appreciated
that year too, Buddy, the Club Superstar, the Cancun Room.
It's a nice time.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
All right?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Well you by the.
Speaker 7 (41:03):
Way, I'm in LA on Friday and I'm going to
crash your show.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
I'm coming on your.
Speaker 7 (41:06):
Show Friday, and after the show we can go. I
don't know, Bootsy Bellows one of your favorite La hot
spots that evening. I'm in town, Buddy, where are you.
I'm going to take Coward out on the town. It'll
be a great time.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
There's an Applebee's right around the corner. Let's hit it, okay, Nick, Right,
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