June 6, 2024 • 43 mins
More on the Lakers pursuit of Dan Hurley with Dan Woike
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All right, here we go our three Dan Roy k
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Thanks for making us part of your day. Dan Hurley,
Yukon's fantastic coach. He is not the microwave. He's a
bake it in the oven guy. Three jobs. He's up
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for the Lakers job. Reportedly Wagner first year losing year,
Rhode Island first year eight and twenty. Yukon first year
losing record. He didn't win a I don't think he
won a tournament game at Yukon into like year five. Okay,
So are the Lakers ready for a culture builder? Remember
Brad Stevens took that job in Boston from Butler. He's
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a player development guy. He is a culture builder. They
didn't win a playoff series four years they had a
losing record first year. Those are similar because in Boston
people have options Red Socks, Patriots, the Cape, Martha's Vineyard,
trained in New York. Things to do in Los Angeles.
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Now Harbaugh's in town. Harbaugh, Herbert McVeigh, Stafford usc moving
to the Big ten show. Hey O Taani and Mookie
Betts and Freddie Freeman. Dodgers never been bigger, Steve Bauman
moving into a new arena. Lakers gonna be okay. Rebuilding
thirty eight forty four, a couple of years of that.
I don't think they are this organization because the Lakers
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did not compete against the NFL for years. They got
a twenty year, you know, runway of being the man
of being the organization. And whereas the Dodgers were good
for many of those years, they weren't winning World Series titles.
The Lakers were winning NBA titles. So they were the
only big city in the country that didn't have to
compete with the NFL was Los Angeles for two decades,
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and so the Lakers are used to being in the
catbird seat. You're gonna be okay with Harbaugh getting news
McVeigh and Stafford to another Super Bowl. Sho Hal Tawny
next year is hitting and pitching. Michigan coming into town
with the coliseum on a Saturday night packed Vallmer's got
a new arena and you're in a rebuild. I'm for it.
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I don't think the Lakers can handle it. I don't
think they can handle it. Jmax said something egregious at
the end of Last Hour. He said, Oh, Lakers is
the best job in the NBA. And my theory about
NBA jobs, there's two things that matter with an NBA job.
How good is your star? What kind of guy is he?
And what are the expectations. The Lakers star is thirty
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nine and the expectations are ohways unrealistic. I'll tell you
who's got a better job, Dallas, Minnesota, San Antonio, Oksee,
I'll take New York. I've big got a real star
in his prime, Boston, Golden State, Denver. The Lakers and
the Sixers to me are over atted jobs, unrealistic expectations,
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tons of pressure, an aging star who gets hurt more.
Lakers Sixers sound like great jobs. Years ago, urban Meyer,
when he was starting his career, had a choice Notre
Dame or Florida. He called Lou Holtz Lue, Hey, Rish,
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how are you? He said, what's the job? Coach? He said,
take Florida. You can get anybody into school. The perception
was Notre Dame, private, small town, crappy weather, academic umbrella,
religious umbrella was the better job. Now Florida has better rosters.
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So the perception of what a job is is not reality.
You'd think the New York Mets. I'd rather be in Atlanta.
Oh it's New York. Atlanta's got a better farm system.
Atlanta's better owned and better run. I'd much rather manage
the Braves than the Mets. So I mean, what is
a great job. I would love to have the Baltimore
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Orioles job right now. Have you seen their talent? Now
it's not as good as the Yankees of the Dodgers
because they can go buy stars. But that's a better
job right now than a lot of Baltimore is like okay,
see you start looking at that lineup, You're like, hell,
they gotta have five years of just running it. You
got the Lakers, you can fall into this. You moved
to La you got a little earringy and you know
you got you hang out with the cool people, little bougie.
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The Lakers job now now USC is a top ten job.
Ram's a great job of Cronkey, I mean the hardball
going to come here, Herbert, that's a great job. A
lot of great jobs in LA. Lakers is high expectations.
And Lebron you got draft his son and you gotta
pay him a max and he's got in year twenty two.
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I like Lebron, but hadn't not a great job.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's funny job.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
USC job opens and one of the best coaches in
college football, get me out there, Lincoln Riley, Chargers job opens,
the best coach in college football, Jim Harble, get me
to LA.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I know people want to want to take shots at LA.
The taxas and the homeless and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
There is something about Los Angeles that is attractive to
a lot of people. Just coaches are wired differently. Coming
you know that Danny Hurley says, oh, no draft picks,
Old Lebron, give me.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That Lakers job.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
There's no more prestigious job in the NBA coaching, but
the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
That's the glamour franchise.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Because of the new CBA and the Aprons. You got
a draft and developed Hurley, so.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You got to worried about draft picks three years from now.
These guys are so cocky and confident that they can
do anything. They can fix any player they can do.
There's a team that was in the conference finals two
years ago. Hurley's got nothing left to prove at Yukon. Well,
I'll think the Lakers job. I'll coach Lebron James Heck, yeah,
I will. Come on, they could he could turn this.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Thing around quickly. I've got I'm starting to warm up
a lot to Hurley.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
By the way, Lakers fans, you want somebody pushing back
against Lebron.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's hard as nails, tough guy, Danny Hurley. I like
this a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm starting to warm up.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No disrespect to Reddick, but there's something here that, Hey, Lebron,
we're gonna we're gonna run tight ship. It's not gonna
be you picking a coach and the players. No, that's
why I said I'm Hurley. I tell my agent ten
and a half million a year, I'm not walking in.
There is a Darbinham's making three and a half now.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He was it five so you got my two coaches fifteen.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Lebronde that's that's Glove compartment money and one of Lebron's
Bentley not for Jeanie Busses. All right, Dan WOYKEI la
covers them. I mean I woke up this morning at
full forty five. I saw this from Wals. I was like,
the Heck's going on? What was your initial reaction, Dan,
when you saw the story.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well, what the heck's going on? I think is sort
of where I started. And Colin, I just want to
check my notebook care quick. You're the first person in
the history of the world to say Baltimore is just
like Oklahoma City. By the way, that has never been
under those words in that order the first time in
the history. I always wonder, how like, how do how
does an original idea come to be that that has
never been said before? You know? I think, Colin, what
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I've been taken by through most of the search, and
it's what's hammered been hammered to me today is that
this has always been and I've tried to reflect this
my reporting two pathways of information on this. There's been
the word from inside the building, from the top, that
we are you know, moving very diligently, We're moving slowly,
We're doing this at our own pace, We're doing this
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the way we want to do it, and it's wide open.
We don't have an so we don't know exactly where
we're going, or the way you think we're going isn't
necessarily where we're going. And then there's really I can't
underscore this enough. Then everyone else who has thought that
the job would go to JJ Redick, it has been
really since the combine, when I've had conversations with other gms,
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when I've had conversations with coaching agents, when I've had
conversations column with people who were up for the Laker job,
it has always been it'll probably eventually go to JJ Redick.
So to see the other name attached to the process
today it was a really fun moment. Like first after
I like, you know, pulled the crust out of my
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eyes because it's like, very rarely do we catch a
real surprise like this, and it's Danny Hurley, is not
I mean, I'll say it. It was not a name
that I had heard in the process until today. And
then when you hear it today, you kind of understand
why Rob Polinka was moving in the shadows the way
He's moved in the shadows through this coaching.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Do you think one of the things that could be
concerning I mean, JJ Reddick is viewed as Lebron's guy,
and you know, Lebron's tried to move back off that.
He's There's been enough leaks from his camp to hey,
we're we don't want to. Part of this is I
think I can see if JJ didn't work, it would
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land on Lebron exclusively. And that's part of it that
Lebron doesn't want that, Like you go get your coach,
I don't want I don't want to be the guy
that if it doesn't work, I get the heat on
my legacy.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I think that part of it is true, Colin, But
I think Lebron has been pretty passive with the way
he's used his power really since the Russell Westbrook trade,
you know in LA I mean kind of the famous
line sort of is you know that that you hear
people say around Lebron is like, you know, it's the
Lakers did everything he said. You know, Kyrie would be
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point guard and Tyler would be the coach, right like,
And that's a pretty compelling argument to the Lake kind
of you know, obviously they involved their star and their
conversations and they think about Lebron James of what it means.
But you know, really, with the exception of the Russell
west portrade, which you know has been kind of put
on Lebron as sort of a Lebron idea at least
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or certainly something he signed off on, the Lakers really
haven't moved in that way. And if anything, you know
the Lakers, Lebron has wanted them to be more aggressive,
to do things a little differently in this search. I mean, like,
like you just said, I haven't heard that he's had influence.
I haven't heard that the reason why they were going
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to hire JJ Reddick was because he has a podcast
for Lebron James. Certainly not from anybody credible, that was
never really the reason. I mean, I think it's a
benefit that you know that there's a built in respect
and a built in relationship. But I wrote this in
a piece a few weeks ago. I think Lebron James's
power right now, the way he's using it is more
just by power presence, you know, It's it's a more
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passive approach to this that you know you have to
and that one's curious in some ways about this shop too.
About with Danny Hurley is like, I mean, on one hand,
like the Lakers have been really clear about wanting somebody
who can do the things you said, program build, you know,
build culture, and they've taken a big picture view. Do
you know who makes it really hard to take a
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big picture view? Colin thirty nine soon to be fortye
old Lebron James. Yeah, so it's really hard to think
down the road when you have the most win now
player of all time getting ready, you know, presumably to
sign a new deal with your team to finish his
career there and yeah, you know, do it in his forties.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's tough, you know, gonna get Hurley, who is a
slow roast, a slow cook Guy Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon,
very much like Brad Stevens. We build a culture, we
get draft picks, we slowly develop. That's what they both do.
LA is a very distracted competitive market. If you're gonna
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do Hurley, it would be a disservice to him to
not give him a bunch of draft picks. And the
Lakers don't have a ton of draft picks. I mean
to me, if you're gonna bring in Hurley, then you
have to augment what he's good at. And what he's
done is build cultures and take good players, good recruits
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and make them a great team. Wouldn't that mean if
you hired Hurley it would be a paradigm shift in
terms of personnel over the next two years.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think the Lakers are trying to kind of serve
multiple masters on this. You know, there is the there
there is the big picture developmental view, right, like what
does this mean for players like Austin Reeves and Ruey
Hatchamura and Max Christie. Who's the restrict recreational be back
like guys at the Lakers see as part of their future. Right,
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But they're by no means comfortable punting on the next
two years or the next few years. And I think
if they thought that their situation roster wise was similar
to the one that Danny Hurley walked into it Wagner
or Rhode Island or Yukon, you know, they might be
looking in a different direction for a head coach. And
and and I think it's a fair point, right, I mean,
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this has been sort of his process and part of
I think what has made him so charismatic right like
to me, like the defining Dan Hurly moment right is
him you know, saying, you know, get us now, just
wait like we're coming, like get us. But if you're
gonna beat us, do us do it now, because we're
going to get you in a year. We're gonna get
you in two years. You know that kind of runway,
You're right doesn't really exist, and it certainly doesn't exist.
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You know if number twenty three is on the court
next to you. That's just the reality of that is
is you need to win, and you need to do
it quickly, and there isn't much of a learning curve.
But I think if you're the Lakers, I mean that
that same that same of all those same concerns. Also
we're there for JJ Redick and are there for JJ Redick.
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It's a swing You're you're you're projecting skills to this
team and you're trying to do so in a way
that it it does two toferent things that it satisfies
your today and it satisfies you tomorrow. And traditionally that's
been really hard in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Dan Woiki La times Laker Beat writer covered the NBA
for thirteen fourteen years. As always, we appreciate on late
notice you stopping by Dan, Thank.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
You, thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
All right, yeah, I mean generally, if if like when
the Rams hire Sean McVay, it's like, Sean, we're hiring
you because we have this really talented young quarterback who
sort of lost and what did they do? They let
him spend some money and get a left tackle. They
let him have you know, they let Sean McVay. Okay,
this is what I do augment. I need a run game,
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I need a left tackle. I'll take care of golf.
If you're going to hire one of these coaches, it
doesn't matter what business it is, then you could be
hiring a law firm. What is that If it's a legit,
if it's a you know, a litigation attorney, you know,
contract attorney, Well you've got to have stuff set up
for him to succeed, right. Hurley is a developmental coach
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who builds a tough culture. I mean, Yukon played like
an NBA team. They're feisty, they're physical. Well that's what
he's gonna build, not a load management team with old guys,
who want the night off. That's like, not what it's
gonna be. So he's gonna build a tough, physical culture.
You gotta augment this with a bunch of draft picks him.
Let him draft and build and see what he can
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get out of it. I'm like J Mack. I'm he's
a better coach right now the JJ Reddick. We don't
know if he gets along with the NBA players as
well as JJ Reddick, but he's a better coach right
now than JJ Reddick, and he should demand more because
JJ's got a podcasting gig. He's got the best college
basketball job in the country.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Isn't this super low risk for Hurley Colin. He's won
back to back titles. He has nothing left to prove it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
He would get a job in two minutes back in com.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
If he flames out in three years, he's gonna get
a job. Remember Frank Vogel won a title with the Lakers.
He you know he's a good coach, then he wants
a title. He's gonna be able to get jobs for
the next fifteen years. He already got the son's job
that didn't well given to Kevin Durant. Bil stuff you
win with the Lakers, man, your success well is gonna
be I also.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Think this is something you have to consider. The NIL
and the transfer portal is a pain in the butt
for even the best college coaches. Jay Wright had ten
more years to coach. He's like, get me out of here.
So I think that's part of it, Whereas you think
the transfer portal's zany in college football. In basketball it's
a turnstyle. And so I mean Hurley could be just
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saying this is not you know, and I got into
this thing with Wagner and Rhode Island, But like in
the last three years, I think college sports is harder
to coach. I don't think there's a reason. There's two
reasons that Harball left Michigan, and I think a part
of it's the NIL and the transfer portal. And I
think Harball looks at it and says, hell, if I'm
gonna pay players, I'd rather go to the NFL. It's
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not college and the Chargers had a good quarterback. But
he looked the year before at Minnesota. So I think
I think for the guy, there's a lot I have
enough contacts with college coaches. It's not the NFL per se.
But the problem with it is in the NFL, even
if you have a bad owner, you still have a
salary cap. Everybody spends kind of the same thing right
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to some degree. Now, having a richer owner helps you
in trades and free agents. You can write the checks
in the off season. But in college football there's like
four teams Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Oregon. They're just out
spending everybody. It's not a fair fight. And in college basketball,
you know you got you got certain programs like a
Kansas or a Kentucky. They're just out spending everybody. So
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I can see Hurley saying, hey, I want to, I
want to we all have the same salary cap. In
the NBA. I got Lebron and you know, Austin Reeves,
and I got Anthony Davis and a big brand, and
so a lot of these college coaches now it's like, listen,
we can It's okay. The transfer portal is not ideal,
but it's okay. But the NIL is so lobsided. We're
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like six college basketball programs and five college football pro
It comes down to it in the final day, they
just write a check for six hundred thousand dollars and
get that five star left tackle. Nothing you can do
about it. Yeah, well, there's an unfairness in the NIL
which was predictable, but it's it's now, Hurley. I'm sure
you CON's a wealthy state, Connecticut is. But I can
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see Hurley saying, listen, recruit, I brought recruiting to just
keep my own players. I mean, Jay Wright's a great
example when Jay Wright's like I'm out. Villanova's a top
three program. He's got ten years enough to do, and
he's like, yeah, I'm out. That's a pretty good sign. Well,
you got a Boston college head coach that said I'd
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rather be an assistant in the NFL. For a lot
of these coaches, they want to coach. Dannerly wants to coach,
not be a fundraiser.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, that's not fun.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Best I can tell, there's only one coach who won
a title in college and the NBA, Larry Brown. The
Hurley could join that if he's able to win with
the Lakers. Like that's historic stuff. I just it seems
like a low risk one move for Hurley to leave
for the Lakers, assuming the price is right and his wife,
like you said once ago.
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Speaker 4 (19:38):
You know, all the Stefan dig stuff we talked about
yesterday was exciting, and there's more.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
He's talking about his current situation with the Texans, and
he broke down his pursuit for a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And how the Houston offense could make it a reality.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Now, I feel like I've been chasing the Super Bowl
since I got in the league. So I mean to say, like,
you know, you get to one specific place and say
this is where I want to try to win it.
But this is where I'm at right now. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I obviously believe in this team.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I believe in the quarterback. You know those are you know,
unspoken things that we all can assume obviously know that
Unique had a hell of a year. Tanka just got hurt.
He was going to have a hell of a year.
I feel like this offense is one of those offenses
that got a lot of horses in the stable.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
You got tom Marl loose. We'll figure the rest out.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Very exciting team. That division suddenly just got interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well when they got the best skilled position players in
the division.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That's not saying what Jags our second, Colt's third, Titans,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I don't know, are you fully on board with Houston
like super Bowl contender? Are they in your bubble?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I want to watch them, but they're pretty good. I
was ready to sell some stock, but then they made upgrades.
They're pretty good to me.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
They have the ninth best Super Bowl adds as you
see there.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
On the see. I don't put the Bengals in the
Super Bowl bubble because I just you get to a
point I'm waiting for Borrower again.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
No, No, let's just say everybody's healthy, because you don't
want to play that game everybody healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Now, I don't have the Bengals in it. I think
they're being real good. I don't have him. I have
the rams in it.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm surprised the bills are that high. I don't like
a lot of those odds.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I would take a flyer on the Texans at plus
sixteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Over the Raven.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I don't know why Green Bay is not in that group.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Because you're the only man in America who believes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I really like it.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Next time, Anthony Richardson. Now we saw his rookie season.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We liked it. He just kept getting hurt. He only
played in four games.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Get this column. Richardson has revealed that he's up to
two hundred and fifty five pounds as a quarterback and
added he didn't do it to help sustain all the
hits he took last season in a summer. Now we've
seen Lamar Jackson shedding weight, we're seeing Anthony Richardson at
two fifty five. So we have a list of all
the thick quarterbacks, hefty, whatever we're in.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I like my quarterbacks like my furniture, hard to move sturdy.
That's why I like my quarterback. Thurty is probably better
than beefy sturdy.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
JaMarcus Russell to sixty five a little too heavy. Dante
Culpepper remember him to sixty big he felt big though Anthony.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Richards was a big Ben's big Big.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Ben checked in at two forty.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I think it later in his career is heavier than that.
But is Richardson gonna be as dynamic at two fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Five, Well, I think I think Shane Stiken doesn't want
him to be as dynamic. Shane Stiken wants him healthy
and learning in the pocket. So I think guys like
Anthony Richardson are just so athletic that eight pounds isn't
going to make a difference. And I also think Anthony
Richardson part of his game is collisions. That's just the
way he's built. He's gonna run into people.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well that that's not gonna work as a franchise quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, it's not gonna work for a while, but you
can you can get banged. I mean Cam and Big
Ben for years use that as a weapon.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, Kim was that in the league at like thirty two.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I know he gets upset when we talk about him,
but there's a reason he got jettison from the league.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, Well, he body failed and he never learned to
win from the bun big Ben age, quickly, but Big
Ben had a lot of success before he aged. I
don't look at these quarterbacks like a four to oh one.
You can give me four or five years of excellent,
I'm drafting another one. You should draft the quarterback every
other year.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Anyway, I thought you loved the Packers formula of give
me one guy for fifteen.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Now they know what they keep doing. They keep drafting
guys who sit for three years. I would draft quarterbacks
every two or three years, third round on put them
on the bench. But I don't this quarterback thing, the
idea that I have to get them forever. That'd be nice.
I'd rather if you're telling me every six years I
got to find a new one. But in the six
years I made the playoffs four times. I'll keep my
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job as a general manager.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So you would rather be a day trader at quarterback
than a buy and hold guy.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Ideally i'd be a buy and hold guy, but there's
just not many of them on the planet. It's just
hard to get a guy that never gets hurt and
is great. The league's got two of them right now,
Alan Mahomes, Richardson, and the whole league. We've got two
of thirty two teams two.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Wait, wait just two?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What great?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And don't get hurt Mahomes and Allen. That's it. Burrow hurt,
Lamar h Herbert hurt, Stafford hurt, Aaron hurt.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
We got two.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, remember Josh Allen was taking a lot of hits
when he was running, and everybody's oh, yeah, you gotta
run less.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
This guy will have a shorter he'll have a shorter peak,
but he's great. But we got two quarterbacks in the
world great, never hurt. So my takeaway is, okay, the culture,
the tone is set. Keep drafting quarterbacks. If you can
get six great, great years out of a quarterback after
his rookie year by year two to year seven, am
I getting a baller?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well? Wait on, wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The rookie contract means you've got to pay him a
second That's okay, So I'll pay him early.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
If he's great, I'll pay him early. So first three years,
I'll pay him early, four and then I'll get four
or five, six, seven. Last year he wins, I don't
I move on. I trade him get a fifth round pick.
I'm a good quitter. I told you that before I
can quit. I quit stuff fast and not the kids.
Other than that not good for my standing. Yere Well, no,
you know, maybe I need to test the market and
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see what's up. Geez.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Final story, Eagles made a big.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Splash in free agency, landing say Quad Barkley, and they
stole him from their rival the Giants and floundering Giants.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Speaking of reporters.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
This week, Nick sirianni Uh really liked adding Saqua Barkley.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
To the fold.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
It's really nice to see him in green, and I know,
you know, it's really nice to see him there. I
had visions back of like him on the sideline and
us watching all these plays on the sideline, of Saquon
making somebody missing, Saqua making somebody miss and doing it again.
You know, sometimes you see Giants fans around here with
the you know, being so close, and you know they
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give me a good like, hey go Giants, and then I'd.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Typically let it go.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
But if the guy gets me good enough, I usually say.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And all catch your best player.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's a nice little dick.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I don't want my coach saying that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You don't want your coach talking trash.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I don't want my coach talking trash to meet balls.
Did I well, probably not the right venue to talk
about this. Did I tell you I had my first heckler?
A sports fan upset with one of my takes, like
in public.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Never happened to be in my life.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Weirdo was coming out of the WNBA game and I
was with my family, which made it odd. But this
guy goes j Mack you know, I turned around a
him in the not he goes, you were really harsh.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
On Kyrie and Cam Newton.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I was like, uh, I was like, what was what?
Al thinks?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, I didn't finish the story, so I was like,
I'm rooting for Kyrie. I got money on him in
the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Go map.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So then I walk away with my family.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
We walked to the corner.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He follows us like down the street and then he's like,
you're really harsh on Cam Newton. Yeah, And then my
family's like here and the guy's right there. And at
this point I'm like, this guy's by himself. And he
followed me to a.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Corner and turned around and said, yeah, he's not very good.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So I mean, like, this is the first time ever
dealing with that, and I was like, yeah, well sorry,
Dak Prescott's had a better career than Cam Newton just
set it right to his face and he didn't really
have much of a comeback. And then the light turned
so we crossed and he didn't follow any further.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
But I don't know, man. You talk about Nick Sirianni
talking track to giants.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
In my life is you know what people say when
they come up to me. Hello, America's honesty broker. How's
your day.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
They don't get on your case for takes on players.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't take my takes that seriously.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I don't need I'd forgotten what I said six months ago,
but this guy is.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Usually I have four or five security guards around it.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You do maybe I need that. I can hold my
own j.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Mack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
What a show today, Dan Hurley, According to Woes and
Dan Hurley told his team at Yukon they're having practice
writing right about now here, at about thirty minutes, he
told his team that, uh, yeah, I'm talking to the Lakers.
So he's a great coach. I think there's a lot
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of things going on. I don't think the best NBA
coaches aren't taking it. There's not much of a pool
of candidates, Hurley would be the best guy you could hire.
The question becomes are the Lakers willing to be patient?
And because they have no history of that, and I'm
dead serious on this, the Lakers owned LA for twenty
years without an NFL team. Can you imagine Philadelphia with
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no Eagles and the Sixers just dominate it and they win,
They win titles four or five, and you kind of
own the town. In America, NFL teams eventually gobble up
all the cities. LA was the exception. The Lakers were
number one, they had the best stars, the best brand,
and they were winning championships. Dodgers were good, they weren't
winning titles, and so they had this twenty year run
where they own the city. They don't want to be
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in the fourth fourth story. They don't want to be
on page two, in page three. It's not what they want.
So it's like the Yankees. The Yankees, you know, they
compete against everybody, but the Yankees, they don't want to
be They don't want to be behind the Mets. You know,
they want the backpage in New York. Lakers are spoiled.
So now the NFL comes in it's getting more popular
and more popular and more popular rams when a super Bowl.
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Here comes Harbon Herbert. That puppy's going to grow. SOFI
is an amazing experience hosting super Bowls. Dodgers now have
Otani Betts, Freeman, Lincoln Riley, Big Ten Conference now Steve
Balmer New Arena. Now you think Lakers are up for
a rebuild? No, No, I don't know. Dave Roberts, Dodger manager.
(29:15):
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Speaker 2 (29:24):
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Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, the downside for any manager in any sport to
having a loaded roster is expectations. Then you throw in
the Dodgers brand, the Los Angeles market. Nine seasons as
the Dodger manager, they are in first place again, second
best record in the National League. They're wrapping up a
series of the Pirates. I watched it yesterday, Dave Roberts
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joining us. By the way, you are in Pittsburgh, and
then you took your staff, I guess to watch Mike Tomlin.
So what what was your thinking on that? What did
you want your staff to see with coach Tomlin?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
So, I you know, our director of player Performance, Brandon
McDaniel set it up with Mark Brunner, former Steeler in yeah,
a friend of both of ours. And so it took
a few members of the staff, and uh, you know,
it's voluntary workouts. So each day, Coach tom I'm gonna
address as the guys. So today was about the exclamation
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point and finishing plays and doing things the right way.
And so it was applicable to everybody on a football field,
but also obviously in life in baseball. So, like I
told you before we aired, right now, Colin, I was
like ready to run through a wall for this man.
And he's done it for so long and one so consistently.
But to have that energy every day every year is
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for me, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, there are obviously ten times as many baseball games,
so when you have stars, it's tougher to I saw
there was a moment about a week ago when you
had great compassion on the mound for one of your pitchers.
Baseball is a different sensibility. You can bark occasionally, but
how often over the course of a season. You've got
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smart veteran players, They've been around, they know the culture.
How often, Dave, do you have to ramp it up
and occasionally bark with that team you're managing?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
You know, not very often. I think I'm more of
the guy that likes to have that one off conversation.
I think that sometimes I feel, you know, given that
we play every single day. You know, when you sort
of set the stage for yourself to have a team
meeting or be visibly vocal, you sometimes make it about yourself,
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and I always want to make it about the players,
about the game, And so I certainly get my point across,
maybe not to the liking of some people that want
to see reactions. And I'm wearing a Dodgy uniform, but
I'm not Timy Lessorda. But I think also, you know,
with football, it's once a week. In football you can
play with the motion. Yeah, but I would argue that
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with baseball, the tempered mindset is better, is more beneficial.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You know, Dave, you already lead by seven. You don't
even have a couple of your top pitchers, Bobby Miller,
Clayton Kershaw. You could probably hit your way to a
division crown, but obviously to be successful in the postseason
you need a full staff. Baseball is such a sport
of routine. Dave. Let's say, hypothetically you get a ten
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a twelve game lead later, you would love to have
a fresh team in the playoffs. But again, Mookie Betts
wants to play, Botani wants to play. How do you
weigh keeping a team fresh? I mean between spring training
and the regular season, Dave, You've got two hundred games.
You want a fresh team, but you got stars competitive
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guys that want to go out there. The standings for
you late in the season, will you monitor those and think,
I know my guys like routine, but I'm going to
give some of these guys days off.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I love that you bring that up, because the thing
that's great about that is there's no right answer. I
think for me, my default always is players want to play.
Players are competitors. They signed up to play. But I
will say that given the win, loss, the record and
the standings does and should dictate to some point as
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far as workload and also give another guy's opportunity and
that's a lot of it on the pitching side too,
to protect those guys. But the fact of the matter
is that I just don't believe you can bubble wrap
guys and put them in the postseason and then then
to go out there and perform optimally. You know, baseball
is played by humans and so and you have to
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kind of play to keep that edge.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, Mookie bet, you know o Tani's gonna get Kershan
O'tani are always gonna get with the Dodgers. They're gonna
get a lot of play here, Mookie bets doesn't even
make sense. The idea that you could just say, hey,
we're going to movie to the infield. You wouldn't take
a running back and say you're gonna be slot corner,
were you? I mean, it's just it doesn't you don't
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see it. I mean, it's one thing for a Rod
to go from short to third. That's a transition, the
Mookie transition position. Was it tough? Was it restless?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
What did you make of it as you were talking
about it happening.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
I mean, I'm telling you right now, sitting here right now,
seeing Mookie best play short stuff, I would have never,
in my wildest dreams thought that could happen. It was
a possibility. One And the fact that I just don't
see superstars making themselves so vulnerable to a position change
that drastic and opening themselves up for criticism. And number
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two is just the performance alone, and it's so demanding.
And I've said it before though, is that I just
don't think that there's one player in baseball that I
think could have made this transition.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now, he's just he's historically unique. He's just a great athlete.
And look at this catch we're showing, right, he's just insane.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
He really is calling he is, and also the things
that he's a great athlete, but he's I just love
the humility too.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You know.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
It's one of those things where you get a superstar
player that he doesn't realize how impactful he is. And
I think that that's that's charming for me as a manager,
in the sense of that humility, and people gravitate towards him.
And I was talking the other day and it's just,
you know, he just loves the work, loves the grind,
and you know when you get a superstar that just
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loves practice, and just like I remember Kobe. I was
at Kobe's last game and he just says, the dream
is the journey, and from Moki in particular, you know,
the journey of working and practicing, that's the dream and
he lives it every day.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You know, Dave, there's an argument. I said this two
years ago. People compare Otani and Babe Ruth, and I'm like, well,
Otani's better. He's playing against better players. The game's global.
Otani is remarkable in a million levels. He looks like
a movie star. He seems like the nicest kid in
the world. I think Dhing is much harder than people
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think you go from ice cold to merging onto freeway traffic.
It's like, it's hard. Is there moments in all your
years of baseball and you've played on that Red Sox
team World Series, all the players you've managed and seen.
I remember a friend telling me he played minor league
baseball with Ken Griffy, and he said by the third swing,
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he was like, oh, I knew this guy. The ball
off Ken Griffy's bat in the miners didn't sound like
all of ours. What did you initially see with Otani
as a Dodger. I'm not talking to angels that you
just was jaw dropping. Does he do that? Do you daily?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
He does? He does? And I didn't like you. We
didn't see Babe Ruth. But I'll take Otany all day long.
Given you know how difficult the game is, the specializations
of it, and you know the foot speed, but yeah,
you know, I think for me just the physicality. You know,
when you get up on show, Hey, he's a lot
bigger than you think. He's like Clayton Kershaw where you
see him on the Mounta and you see him he's baggy,
(37:56):
got baggy pants on. But when you get up on him,
he is very physical and show he's the same way.
He's got broad shoulders, thin ways, not an ounce of
fat on him. And I just when I see him
from the sidelines, you know, from the dugout, just to
watch him chew up ground when he's you know, legging
out a triple or gotting down gaining ninety feet down
the line for an infield hit. And then you look
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at the sheer raw power. So just everything he does
is just he's the best on the field at every
every asset of the game. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Okay, you go into a three game series with the Yankees,
obviously there's advanced scouting. You'll be handed that today or
tomorrow before I imagine it is pitch around Aaron Judge.
I don't know what the advanced scouting says with the Yankees.
But you're the Yankees of the National League. Have you
gotten a glimpse of them? They are they lead an era,
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They're a power team, they throw it hard, They're a
powered team. Have you gotten any look ahead on the
advanced scouting on the Yankees? And what do you see
or hear?
Speaker 7 (38:57):
I haven't you know, I've watched a lot of probably
what you've watched with fans watch. I haven't really dug
into him yet. I'll do that tonight. We got him tomorrow,
we got him this weekend. But yeah, Judge is obviously
having a Judge esque type MVP season, and I think
Soto has just been a game changer. I think that
that kind of edginess, the controlling of the strike zone,
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the getting on base, the grinding at bat at bats,
he's playing great defense. I think that's been transformative. You know,
we've known Alex Vradugo for quite some time, and obviously
this is gonna be a great series. You know, I
think that the East West Coast, Rovaly, Dodgers, Yankees, you know,
all this world series back in the past. I think
it's gonna be on the national stage. I think it's
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great for baseball. And you also mentioned Shohey o Tani,
and he's a guy, the one guy that really can
move the needle in baseball, and so I think it's
a lot of eyes are going to be watching us.
It's gonna be a fun series. And there's some guys
from us for US that have never been to even
New Yankee Stadium, so this is a real treat.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Finally, I watched Paul Skiens yesterday. He throws the ball
pretty hard. But now in baseball, now, everybody when I
was a kid, Don Gulla of the Reds through ninety
five and he was a flamethrower, everybody throws ninety six.
Now it's just insane how hard they throw. What did
you make of him yesterday?
Speaker 7 (40:17):
It was impressive, And like you said, I mean there
was one hundred and one, one hundred and two, and
Shapman comes in and touches one hundred and four three times.
And it's like, I joke with these guys all the
time that I got out of this game well in advance,
before the game got too hard. So I marvel how
these guys can time a bullet. But skins Man just
a year out of college. I remember watching him in
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the World Series, and to see the seamless transition he's
made against the world's best, it's pretty remarkable. It's four
pitches command, he has an idea what he's trying to do. So,
you know, I was happy that we got him out
after five. That was a you know, a win in itself,
and they got another young kid to do against us
the first night. Jared Jones kid from California who was
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just this is good in my opinion. So the Pirates
they're well equipped for the coming year as far as arms.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Hey, Dave, you're one of the good guys. Continued success.
We'll be watching this weekend. Thanks for taking ten minutes,
and I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I appreciate you any time, can.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
All right, Dave Roberts nine years Dodger manager. Got a
world series, huge, huge series with the Yankees this weekend.
For the record, you know when he first said he
named that guy Mark Bruner, who used to be a
Steelers tight end, great blocking tight end. I kid you not.
His dad was my dad's accountant, Ted Bruner. It's my
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dad's accountant. He came from Aberdeen, Washington, Mark Brunner, and
he joined the Huskies and he was as Don James
did not play freshman and he played Mark Bruner. Mark
Bruner in the little town of Aberdeen, Washington, Weatherwax High School.
Nobody knows this. This is like my seventies NBA trivia.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
No, this is worse, is it. Well, it's fine accounting
in Aberdeen and Beeswax.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Well, I guess sometimes you got to connect with the people. Yeah, certainly,
Mary and was a big big man. Yeah, my dad's account,
my dad the local optometry.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
You're a big big man.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Well, I am in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I tried to talk your buddy and to go into
a function with me this weekend.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Who is that Eric? Why can't he go? No?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I tried to talk him, And how do I get
you to come with me to that function?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I don't want to go to a wine auction. That's
just trouble AND's out of town.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
There are a lot of cougars there.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I'm not interested at all.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, you know what not you're scene.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I'll go see those cougars when I go on a
hike Saturday. Such a liar. No, I got hiking.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I got that heat dome.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Come to La.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Dude, grew up in the King Dome. I can handle
the heat, dough. I'm all good with the heat dough.
It's not by the way I live. I live about
a mile from the beach. We haven't seen the sun
in La in a six months.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
June gloom right.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I love it because I grew up in the Northwest.
I don't like heat.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Don't tell Danny hurt. Don't tell them it's sunny all
the time.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You know, Connecticut's cold but blue skies.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Connecticut. It's not from Connecticut to La.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Call them up, tell them how much of an improvement
it's been to your your social life, your life in general.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Are good days, your health, there are good days. There
are good days at Connecticut's good days though. That's that's
a state that's principled, has values. Oh really Connecticut. Yeah, values, principled,
a lot of smart people there. And you can get
a home for under twenty eight million dollars. Okay, whatever,
(43:37):
all right, so we'll we'll, we'll, you know, tonight Celtics
MAVs Game one in Boston. I'll take Boston by about
six seven. See you tomorrow
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, here we go our three Dan Roy k
La times on a couple of minutes. It's The Herd
wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. Dan Hurley,
Yukon's fantastic coach. He is not the microwave. He's a
bake it in the oven guy. Three jobs. He's up
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for the Lakers job. Reportedly Wagner first year losing year,
Rhode Island first year eight and twenty. Yukon first year
losing record. He didn't win a I don't think he
won a tournament game at Yukon into like year five. Okay,
So are the Lakers ready for a culture builder? Remember
Brad Stevens took that job in Boston from Butler. He's
(01:10):
a player development guy. He is a culture builder. They
didn't win a playoff series four years they had a
losing record first year. Those are similar because in Boston
people have options Red Socks, Patriots, the Cape, Martha's Vineyard,
trained in New York. Things to do in Los Angeles.
(01:32):
Now Harbaugh's in town. Harbaugh, Herbert McVeigh, Stafford usc moving
to the Big ten show. Hey O Taani and Mookie
Betts and Freddie Freeman. Dodgers never been bigger, Steve Bauman
moving into a new arena. Lakers gonna be okay. Rebuilding
thirty eight forty four, a couple of years of that.
I don't think they are this organization because the Lakers
(01:55):
did not compete against the NFL for years. They got
a twenty year, you know, runway of being the man
of being the organization. And whereas the Dodgers were good
for many of those years, they weren't winning World Series titles.
The Lakers were winning NBA titles. So they were the
only big city in the country that didn't have to
compete with the NFL was Los Angeles for two decades,
(02:17):
and so the Lakers are used to being in the
catbird seat. You're gonna be okay with Harbaugh getting news
McVeigh and Stafford to another Super Bowl. Sho Hal Tawny
next year is hitting and pitching. Michigan coming into town
with the coliseum on a Saturday night packed Vallmer's got
a new arena and you're in a rebuild. I'm for it.
(02:38):
I don't think the Lakers can handle it. I don't
think they can handle it. Jmax said something egregious at
the end of Last Hour. He said, Oh, Lakers is
the best job in the NBA. And my theory about
NBA jobs, there's two things that matter with an NBA job.
How good is your star? What kind of guy is he?
And what are the expectations. The Lakers star is thirty
(03:02):
nine and the expectations are ohways unrealistic. I'll tell you
who's got a better job, Dallas, Minnesota, San Antonio, Oksee,
I'll take New York. I've big got a real star
in his prime, Boston, Golden State, Denver. The Lakers and
the Sixers to me are over atted jobs, unrealistic expectations,
(03:25):
tons of pressure, an aging star who gets hurt more.
Lakers Sixers sound like great jobs. Years ago, urban Meyer,
when he was starting his career, had a choice Notre
Dame or Florida. He called Lou Holtz Lue, Hey, Rish,
(03:45):
how are you? He said, what's the job? Coach? He said,
take Florida. You can get anybody into school. The perception
was Notre Dame, private, small town, crappy weather, academic umbrella,
religious umbrella was the better job. Now Florida has better rosters.
(04:07):
So the perception of what a job is is not reality.
You'd think the New York Mets. I'd rather be in Atlanta.
Oh it's New York. Atlanta's got a better farm system.
Atlanta's better owned and better run. I'd much rather manage
the Braves than the Mets. So I mean, what is
a great job. I would love to have the Baltimore
(04:27):
Orioles job right now. Have you seen their talent? Now
it's not as good as the Yankees of the Dodgers
because they can go buy stars. But that's a better
job right now than a lot of Baltimore is like okay,
see you start looking at that lineup, You're like, hell,
they gotta have five years of just running it. You
got the Lakers, you can fall into this. You moved
to La you got a little earringy and you know
you got you hang out with the cool people, little bougie.
(04:50):
The Lakers job now now USC is a top ten job.
Ram's a great job of Cronkey, I mean the hardball
going to come here, Herbert, that's a great job. A
lot of great jobs in LA. Lakers is high expectations.
And Lebron you got draft his son and you gotta
pay him a max and he's got in year twenty two.
(05:13):
I like Lebron, but hadn't not a great job.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's funny job.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
USC job opens and one of the best coaches in
college football, get me out there, Lincoln Riley, Chargers job opens,
the best coach in college football, Jim Harble, get me
to LA.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I know people want to want to take shots at LA.
The taxas and the homeless and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
There is something about Los Angeles that is attractive to
a lot of people. Just coaches are wired differently. Coming
you know that Danny Hurley says, oh, no draft picks,
Old Lebron, give me.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
That Lakers job.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
There's no more prestigious job in the NBA coaching, but
the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
That's the glamour franchise.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Because of the new CBA and the Aprons. You got
a draft and developed Hurley, so.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
You got to worried about draft picks three years from now.
These guys are so cocky and confident that they can
do anything. They can fix any player they can do.
There's a team that was in the conference finals two
years ago. Hurley's got nothing left to prove at Yukon. Well,
I'll think the Lakers job. I'll coach Lebron James Heck, yeah,
I will. Come on, they could he could turn this.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Thing around quickly. I've got I'm starting to warm up
a lot to Hurley.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
By the way, Lakers fans, you want somebody pushing back
against Lebron.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's hard as nails, tough guy, Danny Hurley. I like
this a lot.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I'm starting to warm up.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
No disrespect to Reddick, but there's something here that, Hey, Lebron,
we're gonna we're gonna run tight ship. It's not gonna
be you picking a coach and the players. No, that's
why I said I'm Hurley. I tell my agent ten
and a half million a year, I'm not walking in.
There is a Darbinham's making three and a half now.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
He was it five so you got my two coaches fifteen.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Lebronde that's that's Glove compartment money and one of Lebron's
Bentley not for Jeanie Busses. All right, Dan WOYKEI la
covers them. I mean I woke up this morning at
full forty five. I saw this from Wals. I was like,
the Heck's going on? What was your initial reaction, Dan,
when you saw the story.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well, what the heck's going on? I think is sort
of where I started. And Colin, I just want to
check my notebook care quick. You're the first person in
the history of the world to say Baltimore is just
like Oklahoma City. By the way, that has never been
under those words in that order the first time in
the history. I always wonder, how like, how do how
does an original idea come to be that that has
never been said before? You know? I think, Colin, what
(07:34):
I've been taken by through most of the search, and
it's what's hammered been hammered to me today is that
this has always been and I've tried to reflect this
my reporting two pathways of information on this. There's been
the word from inside the building, from the top, that
we are you know, moving very diligently, We're moving slowly,
We're doing this at our own pace, We're doing this
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the way we want to do it, and it's wide open.
We don't have an so we don't know exactly where
we're going, or the way you think we're going isn't
necessarily where we're going. And then there's really I can't
underscore this enough. Then everyone else who has thought that
the job would go to JJ Redick, it has been
really since the combine, when I've had conversations with other gms,
(08:17):
when I've had conversations with coaching agents, when I've had
conversations column with people who were up for the Laker job,
it has always been it'll probably eventually go to JJ Redick.
So to see the other name attached to the process
today it was a really fun moment. Like first after
I like, you know, pulled the crust out of my
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eyes because it's like, very rarely do we catch a
real surprise like this, and it's Danny Hurley, is not
I mean, I'll say it. It was not a name
that I had heard in the process until today. And
then when you hear it today, you kind of understand
why Rob Polinka was moving in the shadows the way
He's moved in the shadows through this coaching.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Do you think one of the things that could be
concerning I mean, JJ Reddick is viewed as Lebron's guy,
and you know, Lebron's tried to move back off that.
He's There's been enough leaks from his camp to hey,
we're we don't want to. Part of this is I
think I can see if JJ didn't work, it would
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land on Lebron exclusively. And that's part of it that
Lebron doesn't want that, Like you go get your coach,
I don't want I don't want to be the guy
that if it doesn't work, I get the heat on
my legacy.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
I think that part of it is true, Colin, But
I think Lebron has been pretty passive with the way
he's used his power really since the Russell Westbrook trade,
you know in LA I mean kind of the famous
line sort of is you know that that you hear
people say around Lebron is like, you know, it's the
Lakers did everything he said. You know, Kyrie would be
(09:54):
point guard and Tyler would be the coach, right like,
And that's a pretty compelling argument to the Lake kind
of you know, obviously they involved their star and their
conversations and they think about Lebron James of what it means.
But you know, really, with the exception of the Russell
west portrade, which you know has been kind of put
on Lebron as sort of a Lebron idea at least
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or certainly something he signed off on, the Lakers really
haven't moved in that way. And if anything, you know
the Lakers, Lebron has wanted them to be more aggressive,
to do things a little differently in this search. I mean, like,
like you just said, I haven't heard that he's had influence.
I haven't heard that the reason why they were going
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to hire JJ Reddick was because he has a podcast
for Lebron James. Certainly not from anybody credible, that was
never really the reason. I mean, I think it's a
benefit that you know that there's a built in respect
and a built in relationship. But I wrote this in
a piece a few weeks ago. I think Lebron James's
power right now, the way he's using it is more
just by power presence, you know, It's it's a more
(10:57):
passive approach to this that you know you have to
and that one's curious in some ways about this shop too.
About with Danny Hurley is like, I mean, on one hand,
like the Lakers have been really clear about wanting somebody
who can do the things you said, program build, you know,
build culture, and they've taken a big picture view. Do
you know who makes it really hard to take a
(11:17):
big picture view? Colin thirty nine soon to be fortye
old Lebron James. Yeah, so it's really hard to think
down the road when you have the most win now
player of all time getting ready, you know, presumably to
sign a new deal with your team to finish his
career there and yeah, you know, do it in his forties.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's tough, you know, gonna get Hurley, who is a
slow roast, a slow cook Guy Wagner, Rhode Island, Yukon,
very much like Brad Stevens. We build a culture, we
get draft picks, we slowly develop. That's what they both do.
LA is a very distracted competitive market. If you're gonna
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do Hurley, it would be a disservice to him to
not give him a bunch of draft picks. And the
Lakers don't have a ton of draft picks. I mean
to me, if you're gonna bring in Hurley, then you
have to augment what he's good at. And what he's
done is build cultures and take good players, good recruits
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and make them a great team. Wouldn't that mean if
you hired Hurley it would be a paradigm shift in
terms of personnel over the next two years.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
I think the Lakers are trying to kind of serve
multiple masters on this. You know, there is the there
there is the big picture developmental view, right, like what
does this mean for players like Austin Reeves and Ruey
Hatchamura and Max Christie. Who's the restrict recreational be back
like guys at the Lakers see as part of their future. Right,
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But they're by no means comfortable punting on the next
two years or the next few years. And I think
if they thought that their situation roster wise was similar
to the one that Danny Hurley walked into it Wagner
or Rhode Island or Yukon, you know, they might be
looking in a different direction for a head coach. And
and and I think it's a fair point, right, I mean,
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this has been sort of his process and part of
I think what has made him so charismatic right like
to me, like the defining Dan Hurly moment right is
him you know, saying, you know, get us now, just
wait like we're coming, like get us. But if you're
gonna beat us, do us do it now, because we're
going to get you in a year. We're gonna get
you in two years. You know that kind of runway,
You're right doesn't really exist, and it certainly doesn't exist.
(13:31):
You know if number twenty three is on the court
next to you. That's just the reality of that is
is you need to win, and you need to do
it quickly, and there isn't much of a learning curve.
But I think if you're the Lakers, I mean that
that same that same of all those same concerns. Also
we're there for JJ Redick and are there for JJ Redick.
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It's a swing You're you're you're projecting skills to this
team and you're trying to do so in a way
that it it does two toferent things that it satisfies
your today and it satisfies you tomorrow. And traditionally that's
been really hard in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Dan Woiki La times Laker Beat writer covered the NBA
for thirteen fourteen years. As always, we appreciate on late
notice you stopping by Dan, Thank.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
You, thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
All right, yeah, I mean generally, if if like when
the Rams hire Sean McVay, it's like, Sean, we're hiring
you because we have this really talented young quarterback who
sort of lost and what did they do? They let
him spend some money and get a left tackle. They
let him have you know, they let Sean McVay. Okay,
this is what I do augment. I need a run game,
(14:40):
I need a left tackle. I'll take care of golf.
If you're going to hire one of these coaches, it
doesn't matter what business it is, then you could be
hiring a law firm. What is that If it's a legit,
if it's a you know, a litigation attorney, you know,
contract attorney, Well you've got to have stuff set up
for him to succeed, right. Hurley is a developmental coach
(15:03):
who builds a tough culture. I mean, Yukon played like
an NBA team. They're feisty, they're physical. Well that's what
he's gonna build, not a load management team with old guys,
who want the night off. That's like, not what it's
gonna be. So he's gonna build a tough, physical culture.
You gotta augment this with a bunch of draft picks him.
Let him draft and build and see what he can
(15:24):
get out of it. I'm like J Mack. I'm he's
a better coach right now the JJ Reddick. We don't
know if he gets along with the NBA players as
well as JJ Reddick, but he's a better coach right
now than JJ Reddick, and he should demand more because
JJ's got a podcasting gig. He's got the best college
basketball job in the country.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Isn't this super low risk for Hurley Colin. He's won
back to back titles. He has nothing left to prove it.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
He would get a job in two minutes back in com.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
If he flames out in three years, he's gonna get
a job. Remember Frank Vogel won a title with the Lakers.
He you know he's a good coach, then he wants
a title. He's gonna be able to get jobs for
the next fifteen years. He already got the son's job
that didn't well given to Kevin Durant. Bil stuff you
win with the Lakers, man, your success well is gonna
be I also.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Think this is something you have to consider. The NIL
and the transfer portal is a pain in the butt
for even the best college coaches. Jay Wright had ten
more years to coach. He's like, get me out of here.
So I think that's part of it, Whereas you think
the transfer portal's zany in college football. In basketball it's
a turnstyle. And so I mean Hurley could be just
(16:28):
saying this is not you know, and I got into
this thing with Wagner and Rhode Island, But like in
the last three years, I think college sports is harder
to coach. I don't think there's a reason. There's two
reasons that Harball left Michigan, and I think a part
of it's the NIL and the transfer portal. And I
think Harball looks at it and says, hell, if I'm
gonna pay players, I'd rather go to the NFL. It's
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not college and the Chargers had a good quarterback. But
he looked the year before at Minnesota. So I think
I think for the guy, there's a lot I have
enough contacts with college coaches. It's not the NFL per se.
But the problem with it is in the NFL, even
if you have a bad owner, you still have a
salary cap. Everybody spends kind of the same thing right
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to some degree. Now, having a richer owner helps you
in trades and free agents. You can write the checks
in the off season. But in college football there's like
four teams Texas, Ohio State, Georgia, Oregon. They're just out
spending everybody. It's not a fair fight. And in college basketball,
you know you got you got certain programs like a
Kansas or a Kentucky. They're just out spending everybody. So
(17:34):
I can see Hurley saying, hey, I want to, I
want to we all have the same salary cap. In
the NBA. I got Lebron and you know, Austin Reeves,
and I got Anthony Davis and a big brand, and
so a lot of these college coaches now it's like, listen,
we can It's okay. The transfer portal is not ideal,
but it's okay. But the NIL is so lobsided. We're
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like six college basketball programs and five college football pro
It comes down to it in the final day, they
just write a check for six hundred thousand dollars and
get that five star left tackle. Nothing you can do
about it. Yeah, well, there's an unfairness in the NIL
which was predictable, but it's it's now, Hurley. I'm sure
you CON's a wealthy state, Connecticut is. But I can
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see Hurley saying, listen, recruit, I brought recruiting to just
keep my own players. I mean, Jay Wright's a great
example when Jay Wright's like I'm out. Villanova's a top
three program. He's got ten years enough to do, and
he's like, yeah, I'm out. That's a pretty good sign. Well,
you got a Boston college head coach that said I'd
(18:37):
rather be an assistant in the NFL. For a lot
of these coaches, they want to coach. Dannerly wants to coach,
not be a fundraiser.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Yeah, that's not fun.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Best I can tell, there's only one coach who won
a title in college and the NBA, Larry Brown. The
Hurley could join that if he's able to win with
the Lakers. Like that's historic stuff. I just it seems
like a low risk one move for Hurley to leave
for the Lakers, assuming the price is right and his wife,
like you said once ago.
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Dave Roberts Dodgers played the Pirates this afternoon. Yankees over
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the news.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
This is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
You know, all the Stefan dig stuff we talked about
yesterday was exciting, and there's more.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
He's talking about his current situation with the Texans, and
he broke down his pursuit for a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And how the Houston offense could make it a reality.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Now, I feel like I've been chasing the Super Bowl
since I got in the league. So I mean to say, like,
you know, you get to one specific place and say
this is where I want to try to win it.
But this is where I'm at right now. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I obviously believe in this team.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
I believe in the quarterback. You know those are you know,
unspoken things that we all can assume obviously know that
Unique had a hell of a year. Tanka just got hurt.
He was going to have a hell of a year.
I feel like this offense is one of those offenses
that got a lot of horses in the stable.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
You got tom Marl loose. We'll figure the rest out.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Very exciting team. That division suddenly just got interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Well when they got the best skilled position players in
the division.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That's not saying what Jags our second, Colt's third, Titans,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I don't know, are you fully on board with Houston
like super Bowl contender? Are they in your bubble?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I want to watch them, but they're pretty good. I
was ready to sell some stock, but then they made upgrades.
They're pretty good to me.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
They have the ninth best Super Bowl adds as you
see there.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
On the see. I don't put the Bengals in the
Super Bowl bubble because I just you get to a
point I'm waiting for Borrower again.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
No, No, let's just say everybody's healthy, because you don't
want to play that game everybody healthy.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Now, I don't have the Bengals in it. I think
they're being real good. I don't have him. I have
the rams in it.
Speaker 3 (21:04):
I'm surprised the bills are that high. I don't like
a lot of those odds.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
I would take a flyer on the Texans at plus
sixteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
Over the Raven.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
I don't know why Green Bay is not in that group.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Because you're the only man in America who believes.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I really like it.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Next time, Anthony Richardson. Now we saw his rookie season.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
We liked it. He just kept getting hurt. He only
played in four games.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Get this column. Richardson has revealed that he's up to
two hundred and fifty five pounds as a quarterback and
added he didn't do it to help sustain all the
hits he took last season in a summer. Now we've
seen Lamar Jackson shedding weight, we're seeing Anthony Richardson at
two fifty five. So we have a list of all
the thick quarterbacks, hefty, whatever we're in.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I like my quarterbacks like my furniture, hard to move sturdy.
That's why I like my quarterback. Thurty is probably better
than beefy sturdy.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
JaMarcus Russell to sixty five a little too heavy. Dante
Culpepper remember him to sixty big he felt big though Anthony.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Richards was a big Ben's big Big.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Ben checked in at two forty.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I think it later in his career is heavier than that.
But is Richardson gonna be as dynamic at two fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Five, Well, I think I think Shane Stiken doesn't want
him to be as dynamic. Shane Stiken wants him healthy
and learning in the pocket. So I think guys like
Anthony Richardson are just so athletic that eight pounds isn't
going to make a difference. And I also think Anthony
Richardson part of his game is collisions. That's just the
way he's built. He's gonna run into people.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Well that that's not gonna work as a franchise quarter.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Well, it's not gonna work for a while, but you
can you can get banged. I mean Cam and Big
Ben for years use that as a weapon.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well, Kim was that in the league at like thirty two.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I know he gets upset when we talk about him,
but there's a reason he got jettison from the league.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, Well, he body failed and he never learned to
win from the bun big Ben age, quickly, but Big
Ben had a lot of success before he aged. I
don't look at these quarterbacks like a four to oh one.
You can give me four or five years of excellent,
I'm drafting another one. You should draft the quarterback every
other year.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Anyway, I thought you loved the Packers formula of give
me one guy for fifteen.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Now they know what they keep doing. They keep drafting
guys who sit for three years. I would draft quarterbacks
every two or three years, third round on put them
on the bench. But I don't this quarterback thing, the
idea that I have to get them forever. That'd be nice.
I'd rather if you're telling me every six years I
got to find a new one. But in the six
years I made the playoffs four times. I'll keep my
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job as a general manager.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So you would rather be a day trader at quarterback
than a buy and hold guy.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Ideally i'd be a buy and hold guy, but there's
just not many of them on the planet. It's just
hard to get a guy that never gets hurt and
is great. The league's got two of them right now,
Alan Mahomes, Richardson, and the whole league. We've got two
of thirty two teams two.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Wait, wait just two?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
What great?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
And don't get hurt Mahomes and Allen. That's it. Burrow hurt,
Lamar h Herbert hurt, Stafford hurt, Aaron hurt.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
We got two.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Well, remember Josh Allen was taking a lot of hits
when he was running, and everybody's oh, yeah, you gotta
run less.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
This guy will have a shorter he'll have a shorter peak,
but he's great. But we got two quarterbacks in the
world great, never hurt. So my takeaway is, okay, the culture,
the tone is set. Keep drafting quarterbacks. If you can
get six great, great years out of a quarterback after
his rookie year by year two to year seven, am
I getting a baller?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well? Wait on, wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
The rookie contract means you've got to pay him a
second That's okay, So I'll pay him early.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
If he's great, I'll pay him early. So first three years,
I'll pay him early, four and then I'll get four
or five, six, seven. Last year he wins, I don't
I move on. I trade him get a fifth round pick.
I'm a good quitter. I told you that before I
can quit. I quit stuff fast and not the kids.
Other than that not good for my standing. Yere Well, no,
you know, maybe I need to test the market and
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see what's up. Geez.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Final story, Eagles made a big.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Splash in free agency, landing say Quad Barkley, and they
stole him from their rival the Giants and floundering Giants.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Speaking of reporters.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
This week, Nick sirianni Uh really liked adding Saqua Barkley.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
To the fold.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
It's really nice to see him in green, and I know,
you know, it's really nice to see him there. I
had visions back of like him on the sideline and
us watching all these plays on the sideline, of Saquon
making somebody missing, Saqua making somebody miss and doing it again.
You know, sometimes you see Giants fans around here with
the you know, being so close, and you know they
(25:31):
give me a good like, hey go Giants, and then I'd.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Typically let it go.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
But if the guy gets me good enough, I usually say.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
And all catch your best player.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's a nice little dick.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I don't want my coach saying that.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
You don't want your coach talking trash.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I don't want my coach talking trash to meet balls.
Did I well, probably not the right venue to talk
about this. Did I tell you I had my first heckler?
A sports fan upset with one of my takes, like
in public.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Never happened to be in my life.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Weirdo was coming out of the WNBA game and I
was with my family, which made it odd. But this
guy goes j Mack you know, I turned around a
him in the not he goes, you were really harsh.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
On Kyrie and Cam Newton.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
I was like, uh, I was like, what was what?
Al thinks?
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, I didn't finish the story, so I was like,
I'm rooting for Kyrie. I got money on him in
the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
Go map.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
So then I walk away with my family.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
We walked to the corner.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
He follows us like down the street and then he's like,
you're really harsh on Cam Newton. Yeah, And then my
family's like here and the guy's right there. And at
this point I'm like, this guy's by himself. And he
followed me to a.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Corner and turned around and said, yeah, he's not very good.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
So I mean, like, this is the first time ever
dealing with that, and I was like, yeah, well sorry,
Dak Prescott's had a better career than Cam Newton just
set it right to his face and he didn't really
have much of a comeback. And then the light turned
so we crossed and he didn't follow any further.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
But I don't know, man. You talk about Nick Sirianni
talking track to giants.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
In my life is you know what people say when
they come up to me. Hello, America's honesty broker. How's
your day.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
They don't get on your case for takes on players.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't take my takes that seriously.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
I don't need I'd forgotten what I said six months ago,
but this guy is.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Usually I have four or five security guards around it.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
You do maybe I need that. I can hold my
own j.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Mack with the News, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
What a show today, Dan Hurley, According to Woes and
Dan Hurley told his team at Yukon they're having practice
writing right about now here, at about thirty minutes, he
told his team that, uh, yeah, I'm talking to the Lakers.
So he's a great coach. I think there's a lot
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of things going on. I don't think the best NBA
coaches aren't taking it. There's not much of a pool
of candidates, Hurley would be the best guy you could hire.
The question becomes are the Lakers willing to be patient?
And because they have no history of that, and I'm
dead serious on this, the Lakers owned LA for twenty
years without an NFL team. Can you imagine Philadelphia with
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no Eagles and the Sixers just dominate it and they win,
They win titles four or five, and you kind of
own the town. In America, NFL teams eventually gobble up
all the cities. LA was the exception. The Lakers were
number one, they had the best stars, the best brand,
and they were winning championships. Dodgers were good, they weren't
winning titles, and so they had this twenty year run
where they own the city. They don't want to be
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in the fourth fourth story. They don't want to be
on page two, in page three. It's not what they want.
So it's like the Yankees. The Yankees, you know, they
compete against everybody, but the Yankees, they don't want to
be They don't want to be behind the Mets. You know,
they want the backpage in New York. Lakers are spoiled.
So now the NFL comes in it's getting more popular
and more popular and more popular rams when a super Bowl.
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Here comes Harbon Herbert. That puppy's going to grow. SOFI
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Otani Betts, Freeman, Lincoln Riley, Big Ten Conference now Steve
Balmer New Arena. Now you think Lakers are up for
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Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, the downside for any manager in any sport to
having a loaded roster is expectations. Then you throw in
the Dodgers brand, the Los Angeles market. Nine seasons as
the Dodger manager, they are in first place again, second
best record in the National League. They're wrapping up a
series of the Pirates. I watched it yesterday, Dave Roberts
(30:27):
joining us. By the way, you are in Pittsburgh, and
then you took your staff, I guess to watch Mike Tomlin.
So what what was your thinking on that? What did
you want your staff to see with coach Tomlin?
Speaker 7 (30:44):
So, I you know, our director of player Performance, Brandon
McDaniel set it up with Mark Brunner, former Steeler in yeah,
a friend of both of ours. And so it took
a few members of the staff, and uh, you know,
it's voluntary workouts. So each day, Coach tom I'm gonna
address as the guys. So today was about the exclamation
(31:04):
point and finishing plays and doing things the right way.
And so it was applicable to everybody on a football field,
but also obviously in life in baseball. So, like I
told you before we aired, right now, Colin, I was
like ready to run through a wall for this man.
And he's done it for so long and one so consistently.
But to have that energy every day every year is
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for me, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well, there are obviously ten times as many baseball games,
so when you have stars, it's tougher to I saw
there was a moment about a week ago when you
had great compassion on the mound for one of your pitchers.
Baseball is a different sensibility. You can bark occasionally, but
how often over the course of a season. You've got
(31:48):
smart veteran players, They've been around, they know the culture.
How often, Dave, do you have to ramp it up
and occasionally bark with that team you're managing?
Speaker 7 (32:01):
You know, not very often. I think I'm more of
the guy that likes to have that one off conversation.
I think that sometimes I feel, you know, given that
we play every single day. You know, when you sort
of set the stage for yourself to have a team
meeting or be visibly vocal, you sometimes make it about yourself,
(32:22):
and I always want to make it about the players,
about the game, And so I certainly get my point across,
maybe not to the liking of some people that want
to see reactions. And I'm wearing a Dodgy uniform, but
I'm not Timy Lessorda. But I think also, you know,
with football, it's once a week. In football you can
play with the motion. Yeah, but I would argue that
(32:43):
with baseball, the tempered mindset is better, is more beneficial.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
You know, Dave, you already lead by seven. You don't
even have a couple of your top pitchers, Bobby Miller,
Clayton Kershaw. You could probably hit your way to a
division crown, but obviously to be successful in the postseason
you need a full staff. Baseball is such a sport
of routine. Dave. Let's say, hypothetically you get a ten
(33:09):
a twelve game lead later, you would love to have
a fresh team in the playoffs. But again, Mookie Betts
wants to play, Botani wants to play. How do you
weigh keeping a team fresh? I mean between spring training
and the regular season, Dave, You've got two hundred games.
You want a fresh team, but you got stars competitive
(33:31):
guys that want to go out there. The standings for
you late in the season, will you monitor those and think,
I know my guys like routine, but I'm going to
give some of these guys days off.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
You know.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I love that you bring that up, because the thing
that's great about that is there's no right answer. I
think for me, my default always is players want to play.
Players are competitors. They signed up to play. But I
will say that given the win, loss, the record and
the standings does and should dictate to some point as
(34:07):
far as workload and also give another guy's opportunity and
that's a lot of it on the pitching side too,
to protect those guys. But the fact of the matter
is that I just don't believe you can bubble wrap
guys and put them in the postseason and then then
to go out there and perform optimally. You know, baseball
is played by humans and so and you have to
(34:29):
kind of play to keep that edge.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, Mookie bet, you know o Tani's gonna get Kershan
O'tani are always gonna get with the Dodgers. They're gonna
get a lot of play here, Mookie bets doesn't even
make sense. The idea that you could just say, hey,
we're going to movie to the infield. You wouldn't take
a running back and say you're gonna be slot corner,
were you? I mean, it's just it doesn't you don't
(34:53):
see it. I mean, it's one thing for a Rod
to go from short to third. That's a transition, the
Mookie transition position. Was it tough? Was it restless?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
What did you make of it as you were talking
about it happening.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
I mean, I'm telling you right now, sitting here right now,
seeing Mookie best play short stuff, I would have never,
in my wildest dreams thought that could happen. It was
a possibility. One And the fact that I just don't
see superstars making themselves so vulnerable to a position change
that drastic and opening themselves up for criticism. And number
(35:32):
two is just the performance alone, and it's so demanding.
And I've said it before though, is that I just
don't think that there's one player in baseball that I
think could have made this transition.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now, he's just he's historically unique. He's just a great athlete.
And look at this catch we're showing, right, he's just insane.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
He really is calling he is, and also the things
that he's a great athlete, but he's I just love
the humility too.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You know.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
It's one of those things where you get a superstar
player that he doesn't realize how impactful he is. And
I think that that's that's charming for me as a manager,
in the sense of that humility, and people gravitate towards him.
And I was talking the other day and it's just,
you know, he just loves the work, loves the grind,
and you know when you get a superstar that just
(36:17):
loves practice, and just like I remember Kobe. I was
at Kobe's last game and he just says, the dream
is the journey, and from Moki in particular, you know,
the journey of working and practicing, that's the dream and
he lives it every day.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
You know, Dave, there's an argument. I said this two
years ago. People compare Otani and Babe Ruth, and I'm like, well,
Otani's better. He's playing against better players. The game's global.
Otani is remarkable in a million levels. He looks like
a movie star. He seems like the nicest kid in
the world. I think Dhing is much harder than people
(36:55):
think you go from ice cold to merging onto freeway traffic.
It's like, it's hard. Is there moments in all your
years of baseball and you've played on that Red Sox
team World Series, all the players you've managed and seen.
I remember a friend telling me he played minor league
baseball with Ken Griffy, and he said by the third swing,
(37:16):
he was like, oh, I knew this guy. The ball
off Ken Griffy's bat in the miners didn't sound like
all of ours. What did you initially see with Otani
as a Dodger. I'm not talking to angels that you
just was jaw dropping. Does he do that? Do you daily?
Speaker 7 (37:35):
He does? He does? And I didn't like you. We
didn't see Babe Ruth. But I'll take Otany all day long.
Given you know how difficult the game is, the specializations
of it, and you know the foot speed, but yeah,
you know, I think for me just the physicality. You know,
when you get up on show, Hey, he's a lot
bigger than you think. He's like Clayton Kershaw where you
see him on the Mounta and you see him he's baggy,
(37:56):
got baggy pants on. But when you get up on him,
he is very physical and show he's the same way.
He's got broad shoulders, thin ways, not an ounce of
fat on him. And I just when I see him
from the sidelines, you know, from the dugout, just to
watch him chew up ground when he's you know, legging
out a triple or gotting down gaining ninety feet down
the line for an infield hit. And then you look
(38:18):
at the sheer raw power. So just everything he does
is just he's the best on the field at every
every asset of the game. It's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Okay, you go into a three game series with the Yankees,
obviously there's advanced scouting. You'll be handed that today or
tomorrow before I imagine it is pitch around Aaron Judge.
I don't know what the advanced scouting says with the Yankees.
But you're the Yankees of the National League. Have you
gotten a glimpse of them? They are they lead an era,
(38:47):
They're a power team, they throw it hard, They're a
powered team. Have you gotten any look ahead on the
advanced scouting on the Yankees? And what do you see
or hear?
Speaker 7 (38:57):
I haven't you know, I've watched a lot of probably
what you've watched with fans watch. I haven't really dug
into him yet. I'll do that tonight. We got him tomorrow,
we got him this weekend. But yeah, Judge is obviously
having a Judge esque type MVP season, and I think
Soto has just been a game changer. I think that
that kind of edginess, the controlling of the strike zone,
(39:18):
the getting on base, the grinding at bat at bats,
he's playing great defense. I think that's been transformative. You know,
we've known Alex Vradugo for quite some time, and obviously
this is gonna be a great series. You know, I
think that the East West Coast, Rovaly, Dodgers, Yankees, you know,
all this world series back in the past. I think
it's gonna be on the national stage. I think it's
(39:39):
great for baseball. And you also mentioned Shohey o Tani,
and he's a guy, the one guy that really can
move the needle in baseball, and so I think it's
a lot of eyes are going to be watching us.
It's gonna be a fun series. And there's some guys
from us for US that have never been to even
New Yankee Stadium, so this is a real treat.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Finally, I watched Paul Skiens yesterday. He throws the ball
pretty hard. But now in baseball, now, everybody when I
was a kid, Don Gulla of the Reds through ninety
five and he was a flamethrower, everybody throws ninety six.
Now it's just insane how hard they throw. What did
you make of him yesterday?
Speaker 7 (40:17):
It was impressive, And like you said, I mean there
was one hundred and one, one hundred and two, and
Shapman comes in and touches one hundred and four three times.
And it's like, I joke with these guys all the
time that I got out of this game well in advance,
before the game got too hard. So I marvel how
these guys can time a bullet. But skins Man just
a year out of college. I remember watching him in
(40:38):
the World Series, and to see the seamless transition he's
made against the world's best, it's pretty remarkable. It's four
pitches command, he has an idea what he's trying to do. So,
you know, I was happy that we got him out
after five. That was a you know, a win in itself,
and they got another young kid to do against us
the first night. Jared Jones kid from California who was
(40:59):
just this is good in my opinion. So the Pirates
they're well equipped for the coming year as far as arms.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Hey, Dave, you're one of the good guys. Continued success.
We'll be watching this weekend. Thanks for taking ten minutes,
and I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (41:14):
I appreciate you any time, can.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
All right, Dave Roberts nine years Dodger manager. Got a
world series, huge, huge series with the Yankees this weekend.
For the record, you know when he first said he
named that guy Mark Bruner, who used to be a
Steelers tight end, great blocking tight end. I kid you not.
His dad was my dad's accountant, Ted Bruner. It's my
(41:39):
dad's accountant. He came from Aberdeen, Washington, Mark Brunner, and
he joined the Huskies and he was as Don James
did not play freshman and he played Mark Bruner. Mark
Bruner in the little town of Aberdeen, Washington, Weatherwax High School.
Nobody knows this. This is like my seventies NBA trivia.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
No, this is worse, is it. Well, it's fine accounting
in Aberdeen and Beeswax.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Well, I guess sometimes you got to connect with the people. Yeah, certainly,
Mary and was a big big man. Yeah, my dad's account,
my dad the local optometry.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
You're a big big man.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Well, I am in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I tried to talk your buddy and to go into
a function with me this weekend.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Who is that Eric? Why can't he go? No?
Speaker 4 (42:23):
I tried to talk him, And how do I get
you to come with me to that function?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I don't want to go to a wine auction. That's
just trouble AND's out of town.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
There are a lot of cougars there.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I'm not interested at all.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, you know what not you're scene.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
I'll go see those cougars when I go on a
hike Saturday. Such a liar. No, I got hiking.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I got that heat dome.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Come to La.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Dude, grew up in the King Dome. I can handle
the heat, dough. I'm all good with the heat dough.
It's not by the way I live. I live about
a mile from the beach. We haven't seen the sun
in La in a six months.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
June gloom right.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I love it because I grew up in the Northwest.
I don't like heat.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Don't tell Danny hurt. Don't tell them it's sunny all
the time.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
You know, Connecticut's cold but blue skies.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Connecticut. It's not from Connecticut to La.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Call them up, tell them how much of an improvement
it's been to your your social life, your life in general.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Are good days, your health, there are good days. There
are good days at Connecticut's good days though. That's that's
a state that's principled, has values. Oh really Connecticut. Yeah, values, principled,
a lot of smart people there. And you can get
a home for under twenty eight million dollars. Okay, whatever,
(43:37):
all right, so we'll we'll, we'll, you know, tonight Celtics
MAVs Game one in Boston. I'll take Boston by about
six seven. See you tomorrow
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