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Colin agrees with Browns HC Kevin Stefanski when he said Patrick Mahomes is changing football like Steph Curry changed basketball
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Ah, here we go on a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
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We're bringing Greg co Sell on our last hour today,
sort of starting our Greg co Sell for twenty two
to twenty three weeks or thereabouts. He's gonna go through
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some of the young quarterbacks, what he sees, what he doesn't.
Jamac this my last day for a while, coming back,
you know, labor dash around there, and you're gonna control
some of the stonemach takeover after the ship some of
the stuff. Oh, I'm in total console league.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
This thing's going off the rails instantly.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So I wanted to talk. Kevin Stefanski's the coach the
Cleveland Browns. He's a really good coach and he's dealt
with some ownership stuff and the Baker stuff. And he's
a really really good coach. I think he's one of
the only two or three coaches in the NFL. It's
an ivy leaguer. I think he went to pen or something.
Really smart guy. I love the way he calls a
game and to you know, dealing with the nonsense he's
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dealt with. He and Andrew Berry the GM are obviously
know what they're doing. So he was talking about Patrick
Mahomes and I sometimes because the NBA is a star
league and the NFL's more about the shield and the team,
I think we forget just how big of a star
Patrick Mahomes is. One hundred and twenty three million people
watch the Super Bowl, you know, that game that Mahomes
keeps getting into and mostly winning. The Olympic ratings for
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basketball with the highest ratings for any basketball game in
a year got twenty million. He get over six times
that for one game. So anyway, Stefanski is talking about
Mahomes's style and how people are copying it.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You know, it's funny, like it's almost you know, Steph
Curry changed basketball. I think Mahomes is changing football. You're
watching quarterbacks come out and play that style that they
comport themselves like him. So I would not be surprised
if you start seeing that around, certainly our league. You're
gonna see kids in high school trying it. Now, they
better complete it, hear from their head coach.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, it's interesting, most overwhelmingly, ninety percent of the
greatest players ever other star athletes don't mimic There's not
a lot of Peyton Manning copycats or Tom Brady copycats
now Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes. Stylistically, you see guys throwing
off platform no look passes, they get mimicked. Steph Curry
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gets mimicked. Nobody tried the skyhook with Kareem Lebron didn't
change the game. He was just great. A lot of
guys most players don't change the game, really productive and
they win, even the great ones. Nobody's copying Tim Duncan.
But I always think there's a certain audacity to the
way Mahomes and Steph Curry plays, and Stefanski says they're
kind of the same. They change the game, and I
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do believe that's true with both Mahomes and Steph Curry.
And I also think there's a joyfulness and a playfulness
to their style. But whenever you're just great, right, I
think sometimes it overshadows fundamentals. When I think of Steph Curry,
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you know what I think of his pregame routine. It's
the most intense in the league. I've had multiple coaches
I've talked to about Steph Curry. They're like, you have
no idea how hard he works, and then you watch
the games. Has there ever been a player in league
history that works as hard as Steph Curry to get
his shot? And Patrick Mahomes last year yards per attempt
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he was nineteenth. Mahomes has become a great quarterback better
since Tyreek Hill left. Neither one's rigid. They can play
in multiple styles with multiple teammates. I always said Steph
Curry was willing to play with Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony
was threatened by Jeremy Lynn. I like Trey Young a lot,
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but he can't get along with de Jon Taint Murray.
Come on, man, It's like part of the greatness of
Mahomes and Curry. They never get in their own way.
Mahomes has virtually no ego. He's making fifty million a year,
forty endorsements, beautiful wife. Literally he laughs, the dad bod jokes.
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He laughs at it. He's not insecure about it, he's
not threatened by it. Takes a shirt off, take a picture,
he laughs at it. He lets the cameras in Netflix
to his house. He laughs at sort of the dysfunction,
by the way, dysfunction we all have in our lives.
He just laughs at it. No insecurity. Steph Curry comes
out with shoes of those shoes, that shoe line. It's
like that's what pharmacists wear in the gut. He laughs
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at it. They're so secure in themselves they never get
in their own way. And I could there's so many
great stars out there. Once once you're great and you're
stylish and great, you don't get credit for your IQ,
your EQ, your coachability, your self awareness, not stepping on others' toes.
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And I think, I hope we all realize Steph Curry
is the hardest working guy in the league. Nobody's ever
worked harder to get a shot, fight through screens, nobody.
And that's what I think about when I think of him,
is that pregame workout and look at what mahomes has
done since Tyreek Hill left. He wasn't rigid, he didn't
try to force it. He's like all think and dunk,
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and he wins back to back Super Bowls. So I
think a lot of times it gets overshadowed. All you
kids want to copy these guys, just to let you know.
It's the lack of ego, coachability, and the fundamentals and
the work ethic that create this. Nobody comes out of
the womb looking like Stephen Mahomes. You got to put
the hours in. So I thought it was interesting. Aaron Rodgers,
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you know, I'll say this for Aaron Rodgers. He talks,
he's great content, He's not ducking anybody. I always appreciated that.
I'm never going to criticize a guy that that's always available.
He didn't hide from anybody, and he did talk yesterday.
He was talking about this has been a tough camp
for him. I imagine camps get tougher as you get older.
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This is an interesting bite.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I would say the camp is much harder this year,
and maybe the hardest in the last seven or eight
in my career. Some of the older guys enjoy the
uh to steal a coaching word the callous part of
training camp where you're kind of grinding, and some people
believe that that although it puts more you know, strain
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on you in training camp, that actually gets you more
ready to play when the season starts. And then some
people believe the opposite, and you know how it goes.
What ever, teams are having success, people kind of look
at their schedule and go, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
He's right, but it is interesting. One of the things
I love about the NFL is the opposite of baseball.
They don't romanticize anything like year to year. Nobody cares.
Do your job. Championship parade, Brady gets a little loopy
in Tampa, almost throws the trophy into the pond, and
then it's like, all right, see in two weeks, let's
get back to work. And that's what I love about it.
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It's about the grind. It's not about romanticizing the fifties,
sixty seventies. Nobody cares. I mean, think about this, just
in one year. One year with the Jets, Aaron's gone
from the savior basically saying I want Alan Lazard, Randall
cobb inat Hackett getting kind of what he wants calling
the shots, in the organization, and one year later Robert
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Salas called him out at a press conference and find him.
When Aaron was gone, somebody else not Nat Hackett called
the plays in camp. He's now as a liability. They've
brought in new receivers to push Alan Lazard down the
depth chart and training camp. Aaron saying it is absolutely
no cakewalk. It's been brutal. And what a difference a
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year makes. I mean, the first year for Aaron in
the NFL in New York was a parade celebrating Aaron's arrival,
and that's what it was. This year it's a military march.
And if you don't achieve your goals, it's failure. And
that's what it feels like. And just to give you
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an example, and we all know Aaron's going to be
a Hall of Famer, just to give you an example,
this thing could go off the rails quickly. They may
lose to San Francisco, but what if they lost to
Will Levis or a Sam Darnold or a Jacoby Brissett.
This thing could turn fast. Just to show you how
little we romanticize football, and that how every year is different.
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I've been saying this with Aaron stop falling in love
with his last great year. The last time Aaron was
truly great was three years ago. Here's what was happening
in the NFL. Just three years ago, Trey Lance and
Jimmy g were the Niners quarterbacks. The Lions were three
thirteen and one and a dysfunctional mess. We thought mac
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Jones was a pro bowler, and the Titans were the
number one seed in the AFC. They're now lost as
a franchise. The last time Aaron Rodgers was great, so
you're like, well, that stuff feels like a decade ago.
Mac Jones was a pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
They couldn't give him.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Away this offseason, couldn't give him away, So nobody really cares.
Ian O'Connor, who wrote the book that just came out
two days ago on Aaron, says they struggle this year.
They're all getting swept out.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
I do think if the Jets are two and five,
this could really go south and get ugly in a hurry,
because he's lost some of that good will from Jets fans.
They loved him.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Last year.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
New York City fell in love with Aaron like I've
never seen the city fall in love with a superstar.
If they're having a losing season. First of all, everyone's
getting fired. Sala's getting fired, Packets getting fired, Joe Douglas
is getting fired, and Aaron might get fired. Woody Johnson
loves having a star quarterback. If Aaron plays a decent
level of football and they have a losing season, it's
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possible what he will bring him back with the new coach,
But chances are if they don't make the playoffs, Rogers
is out of the building with everyone else.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yep. And last year it was a victory parade when
he showed it, showed up celebrating his arrival. It is
now a military march. Here's the goal, get it or failure.
And that's why it should be and that's why football
is great. Three years feels like twenty years, like nobody cares.
Mac Jones makes a Pro Bowl. Two years later, Boom,
give him away a six round pick, go to Jacksonville.
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That's the league. J mattgreg co Sell stops by today
in forty five minutes. I'm gonna give you. I have
made some alterations. I've watched the preseason. I've made a
couple of alterations to my NFL divisional predictions. The fourteen
playoff teams got a couple out, couple new in whatever,
so and then then I go on a little vak
a little. It's work, it's labor intensive. It would be
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working the entire time.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Will you be doing our fantasy draft while you're on vacation?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, I don't know. I won't. Oh, okay, well you know,
I gotta say hi to Annacasion.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
He's gonna do auto draft.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That is that the game I'm not given. It is crazy, though,
to go back to the Patrick Mahomes thing, Like, think
of how big he is in America. One hundred and
twenty three million people keep watching him win super Bowls,
and honestly, he could go sideways so fast. He never
gets in trouble. He's the nicest guy. He always says
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the right thing at the podium, totally secure. He's got
a little bit of a dysfunctional family, doesn't matter. Laughs at
the Dad bod. Steph Curry, same thing there. I mean
there has been the Draymond Green stuff, Jordan Poole stuff,
the Clay Thompson drama, the Kevin Durant stuff. Steph Curry
never gets in his own way. Mahomes, think of all
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the stuff Mahomes and Curry have dealt with. Take a
deep breath, talk when necessary, don't inflame situations.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
I think it helped that both of them had, you know,
parents who were pro athletes, and they got to see
that growing up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well smart parents.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Mahomes' dad baseball player, Curry's
dad NBA player, Like how to be a professional in
the locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, like that's what matters a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It does.
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
Earlier this week. A really nice kid to a quarterback
for the Dolphins, really really nice guy, good at the podium,
got a little Dak Prescott quality, very very likable guy.
Team first guy, sacrifice a lot for the team guy,
impossible not to like, little ball. Wish his arm was stronger,
had some injuries. Not the perfect quarterback, who cares. There's
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two in the world. But he called out Brian Flores,
his first coach in the NFL, and he said, listen, man,
he was a terrible person. He treated me awfully and
uh now my other coach puts his arm around me,
Mike McDaniel and says, you're really valuable. He goes, how
would you feel if somebody just made you feel like
cramp every day of your life? And it it made
Brian Flores now a defensive coordinator and I got a
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guy I think can really coach. But it made him
look cruel. And Brian Flores went to the mic yesterday
in Minnesota as a coordinator and realized, U, bro, this
is a bad look. This is a really bad look
for you here it.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
Is you know, that hit me in a way that
you know wasn't I wouldn't say it was you know,
positive for me. But at the same time, I and
I've got to use that and say, hey, how can
I how can I grow from that?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know, how can I be better? Do I feel
like you know that's me?
Speaker 9 (14:01):
No?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
But you know, how can I grow from that situation
and then create a create a world where that's not
you know, the case that anyone says that about.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Brian Flores autocratic versus democratic. Sean McVay his group of
coaches are the latter, collaborative. I mean, this weekend McVeigh let,
one of his assistants step to the sidelines, put the
headset on and be the head coach. Growth, collaborative, lubricate,
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pro player, not soft, can be harsh, can call guys out,
but it's democratic over autocratic. And I think Brian Flores,
to his credit, realizes there's a lot of different ways
to coach. But there is an old school Belichecki in camp.
And I think we've reached a new time in the NFL.
That doesn't mean I mean at the college level you
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see a lot of screamers. Still, you don't see that
stuff in the NFL. It just doesn't work with players
most make more than the coaches. But I I do
think there's a reality to what is happening, and Brian
Flores is quickly realizing it is that the Belichick guys,
they're not even getting interviewed for jobs. Bill got one interview,
so you can do There's a lot of ways to coach,
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but Flores for him to spend that much time at
the MIC, I mean a lot of times if somebody
said something to rip Andy Reid wouldn't give it two seconds,
or somebody ripped Sean McVay, he wouldn't give it two seconds.
Brian Flores who's a quiet guy who doesn't love the media,
sat up there and took the arrows and he understood it. Dude,
you're not getting another job. And by the way, I
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think that's one of the reasons he took Minnesota to
learn from what they call the tall Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell,
much more, Zach Taylor, Kevin O'Connell, Raheem Morris, Sean McVay,
Demiko Ryans, Kyle Shanahan. The players like them. They like
the players. Flores yesterday, here's more on the two of
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shots at him and kind of looking himself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Part of coaching is is.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Correcting.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
You know, I'm always gonna correct.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
Look, I've done a lot of reflecting and you know,
on the situation, you know, reflecting on the situation communication. Uh,
you know, I think there's things that I could do better,
for sure, and I've grown in that way, and I
tried to apply the things that I could do better
than the things that I've learned, you know, over the
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last you know, two to three years.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think Brian Flores, in my opinion, is too good
of a coach not to get a second chance. He's
way too good of a coach. He got Miami by
it was a mess. And like week seven or eight,
you were watching the Dolphins when he was coach and
thinking their defense and special teams are both elite in
eight weeks. So I think he'll get another shot. But
the other thing that hurts the autocratic guys, the old
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school guys, there's a little wizard of oz here. Brady left.
It all came crumbling down. Now the guys can't get interviews.
Brady left one of Super Bowl elsewhere. Eleven years of
Belichick without Brady got one playoff win. So there's a
little bit of it. Got everybody pulled back the curtain
once Brady left, and it really didn't work. It just
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worked with Tom because Tom allowed it to work. J
Mack with the.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
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Speaker 7 (17:27):
So the one interesting quarterback competition battle in the preseason
is in Pittsburgh where Russell Wilson justin fields continue to battle. Well,
two coaches have spoke up, two legendary coaches I should
add about the battle, and both Bill Belichick and Bill
Cowher said the Steelers should go with Russ, who is
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still number one on the jet chart.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Colin, you agree with these guys, it's gonna be Russ.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Would you guys? I would start with him. I mean
I almost despite what everybody says, I think there's like
an understanding that Russ gets the first shot at it.
And again, it would be one thing if we watched
Justin Fields last week against Buffalo and it was shazam.
They were both a mess. So if they're both struggling,
just go with the experienced guy.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
It's probably what'll happen.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No, I don't know that well their offense, that their
offensive line has a lot of issues and I'm not
sure Tomlin can solve it. But in fairness, they've had
all sorts of injuries and they're shuffling guards and tackles around.
They have a I think they have a rookie of center,
so he's you know, it's it's that's a hard position
to come in as a rookie. So like a lot
of Pittsburgh's issues I think are cultural. They just don't
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that that unit has not been good forever. But in fairness,
they're moving it's musical chairs with their O line right now,
and Fields and Russell Wilson are paying for it.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah, we talked about newness in Washington, you know, Pittsburgh
new quarterback new oc like newness can be tough, and
I just I'm not optimistic on this Dealers team. I
still see Steelers fans out there. I don't know if
they're delusional or maybe I'm missing something.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Now. I think I got feedback from two different people
in the Pittsburgh media on my Tomlin criticism who reached
out and said thank you. Oh. Is that that there
is this sort of protective layer that you can't criticize Tomlin?
In my take is we fired Andy Reid and Belichick,
give me a break, Like, like, if you can fire
those Marty Schottenheimer people moved off when Marty Schottenheimer was
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fourteen and two last time, you know, with the Chargers
with a dysfunctional organization at the time, I thought so,
like we move off coaches very quickly.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Yeah, and we being critical of Tomlin doesn't mean you
don't like him. Everybody's listen. Patrick Mahomes had a rough
season last year. Yeah, I'm criticizing about it. Rock Berdy
just fants against it. And that's Sunday the halfball game
against the Ravens. I'm gonna hammer him, you had.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
A bad game.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Pat Riley has said multiple times, you get about ten
years and people need a new voice. So it's it's hard.
I mean what spolsterra was doing. New team, new guys.
It's you have to have the GM in your corner again.
People think like Pete Carroll had a magical decade in Seattle.
But I thought at the end it was time to go.
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I thought John Snyder won the tug Awar. I thought
the drafts were better than the results. It's okay. There
are just certain jobs. Maybe I'm in one. It never
ends well. Like politics, sportscasters and football coaches. You know,
Andy Reid will probably be able to call his own shots.
That's like one of one hundred. Sean Payton left New
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Orleans on his accord. That is so rare. That is
so rare.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Let's move on to Josh Allen, who is one of
the top quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Man, a lot of people have him right behind my home.
Some people have Burrow.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Either way, Allen's a top three quarterback in the league,
but he's not paid like it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
This is interesting.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
He is currently the thirteenth highest paid quarterback in the
NFL due to average salary per year. Remember, he signed
his deal in twenty twenty one. Allen says he doesn't
have a problem with his current deal.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Listen, everyone's going to have their day, you know.
Speaker 11 (21:02):
I'm happy that everyone's getting what they're worth, right And
I think that as the game progresses and guys keep
getting paid again, the market is the market. And I've
got no problem with where I'm at right now. And
you know, I had my day a couple of years ago,
and I'm sure someday I'll have it again, you know.
But I think the main thing is the main thing,
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and that's playing football to the best of my ability,
and everything else will take care of itself.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So he comes from a good family and a small town.
He's not driven by money, so let's give him credit. Secondly,
he's made a lot of money. Third he has a
big body type, so the chances are he'll play a
long long time in this league. He's not hurt or
too or a smaller quarterback he's now. Cam wasn't nearly
as good as Josh, Allen. I think Josh is going
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to last a long time. I think Josh takes care
of himself better than Ben or Cam did, and still
you know those guys had nice careers. So I did
all this about being paid a lot of money, Like
it's such a turn off to me, Like, let's not
make the NFL the NBA where we keep track of
everybody's paycheck. Like he gets paid a lot and he's great.
I'm good with it.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
The only pushback I would say is the style of
the brand of football he plays is rugged. He takes
a lot of hits. We saw Cam Newton out of
the NFL at like what thirty one?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, Cam took like a lot of him.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's a lot of hits.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Alan, I know, is working on sliding and Ran I
think a little less last year. But if I'm him,
he's got a restructure after the season. You can't continue
to be thirteenth highs paid. Perdy's going to pass you
next year. Like you don't think he should restructure.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think he should win as many games as he can,
and I think contract wise though, I think restructure and
not he'll be able to afford a very nice condo
in downtown dancing around. You're driven millionaire, You're driven by money.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
I want the guys to get paid NFL long Josh
Allen's two hits away from me.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know what I want. I want my teams to
be flexible. You want your guys to get paid your
new media. I want my team to be flexible. The
Patriots were flexible and have rings. By the way, Kansas
City is flexible. You go ahead, get off Tyreek Hill.
They got off to Lugarious Sneed. That's right.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Flexible, that's right.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We're not paying a receiver that bye bye. Let's start over.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Well, the Bills just did that with Diggs. They're flexible.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
We'll move off digs tight ends like I think you
could do both.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You could be flexible and pay your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Dallas is gonna pay Stea Lamb of Fortune Micah Fortune
daka Fortune. Not really flexible if you if you're asking
me what I would do, I would I would pay
Ceedee Lamb of Fortune, and I would have drafted a
quarterback three years ago. But they're not. They're not. Dallas
is not as flexible as you think. They're very insular.
It's all about signing their guys. Dallas is not flexible.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Well run, we can admit that.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, they're not poorly run, but they're not as flexible.
If you're flexible, you bring somebody into that building that
doesn't have the last name Jones, and they run your personnel.
Not so somebody named Jones. That's flexible. It's going to
be tough. The Bills have to move off to both
safeties now they're aging. But Allen's contract is owners that's.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Just where we are. You got to pay the quarterback
a lot. I mean how many quarterbacks they cycle through
after Jim Kelly. Remember how good of a run he has.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They are paying him a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
They're not short dat quarterback. That's the way it works
because every two years there's seven guys that signed.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, Mahomes restructured.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yes, he's the world's greatest football.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Play Josh Allen's probably second.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Josh Allen has never even gotten to a Super Bowl.
Mahomes has what three rings already? Two three rings? It matters.
That's the difference between getting to a conference championship and
winning the trophy.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I wonder where the audience lands. Do they want to
pay the quarterbacks or they want to.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Go I've said this for years, this incessant need by
young media to everybody get the bag. If I owned
a team, I would pay big money and frequently. I
would be flexible. I would pay the people that I
drafted and hit. So you draft Josh Allen first round,
you pay him. But if you're looking to be the
highest paid guy, I'll just let you know I may
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not be able to build that offensive line as well
as you like. And we're gonna draft a quarterback every
other year behind you, and he'll get snaps in the
preseason and in camp.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I don't think he needs highest paid, but certainly we'll restructure.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
We want to keep you happy, Josh. We're gonna bump
you up, and I'm sure he will.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Thankfully, the NFL is still run by adults in their
forties and fifties, capologists. It's not run solely by employees players.
I want GMS to GM, coach to coach, players to play,
owners to own. I'm really comfortable with that. I don't
do programming for this network. I talky, very comfortable with that.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Shirped in Miami. I hate everybody else to getting paid.
All the receivers I need to get paid now.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And Dolphins bent over backwards and restructure.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Tyreek kill and because of that, after a few injuries
last year, they weren't as good defensively.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, they're not gonna be great this year.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
The vital story is Jerry Jones gave an update kind
of ish on where things stand with Cede Lamb and
Dak Prescott's contract negotiations with CD. He said both sides
are having promising talks regarding an extension, but with Dak
he seemed to hint that nothing will get done during camp,
saying that since the season is approaching, they're operating under
(26:19):
his existing contract.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, of course, yes, he's got a con there's no
reason to redo Dak right now, he's got a year left.
There's absolutely no reason. This idea, when did we become
When did it become the NBA where I have to
pay you before? How about you just go to the
end of your contract and you know, four to five
months before you can wrap up a contract in two weeks. Agent, Jerry,
sit down, here's the numbers. Get close to it. This
(26:42):
idea that you have to pay everybody early. No, Brandon
Nyuk's got a year left.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
So remember the Kirk Cousins situation in Minnesota. He was
on his final year, gets the injury to the Achille
and moved off him exactly you think.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Dak is not a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You think it'd be better for the Vikings if they
would have gone million billion dollars into him and he's hurt, well,
and then you're trapped.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I think Kirk Cousins is just okay, well, but I
think Dak's just okay.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You think it. By the way, I give Dak a
new contract tomorrow Weeked eleven rips up his knee, second
major injury. Oh congrats on being irrelevant. Why are you
got what? What is this insistence to pay everybody early again?
You know, you tear up a knee as a quarterback
and that's your protm. That's not mine as an owner.
I am preserving. This is more than just about a
(27:30):
singular star. True, it's about protecting the franchise, the viability.
You know what fans like to go see on Sunday winning,
You're not if you pay a quarterback early, he gets
hurt and you're done.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
So twelve wins he's in the last three years. That's
a lot of winning the Cowboys fancas.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's in January, February league, it's not a September now.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
He has not delivered in the postseason. Again, I'm not
saying I'm worried about Dak He's made a lot of money.
But again Week three he goes out Pops an Achilles
and whatever. It's like, all right, dude, you have any
insurance going forward?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Like who knows where you'll be next year?
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Who's paying for a top dollar for a guy coming
off well, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Dallas is becoming the Steelers. They won't get the air apparent. Ready, Brady,
your job, no question about it. I would be drafting quarterbacks.
I would have drafted one this year.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
At Trey Lance trade and overpay and well whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I would draft quarterbacks once the quarterbacks had even Joe Burrow,
you gotta start drafting quarterbacks every year once a guy's
had a second injury. I'm drafting quarterback. Doesn't mean in first, second,
or third, but I'm gonna have a guy ready to roll.
I mean next year. It's very possible that the Rams
want Rams want Matt Stafford for the next three years,
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and Stafford's camp is saying we want to play for
three years. I would not be shocked if the Rams
number one pick next year in the first round is
a quarterback. Now, he's not going to play for a
year and maybe two, but that's the reality of the league.
I'm sorry they're drafting. If things go haywire and they're.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Drafting top ten, that's not gonna happen, right, So are
they taking quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Twenty two tours? Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
The quarterbacks next year outside of Carson Beck are are
somewhere between nine and thirty. There's not a lot of
top four or five picks. Riley Leonard got yeah, Riley
Leonard is not a top five pick.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, we'll see.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
College football season is gonna be awesome for some of
these quarterbacks. We will did Dylan Gabriel? You like him,
his prospects.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I think he I think he's gonna win the Heisman.
I think he's very good.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I bet Beck to win the heisbacks.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Now they're both. Those are your two guys. J Mack
with a news.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's infrequent, But I disagree with Tom Brady for only
the second time, but on the same quote he said
the same thing months ago. I disagreed. I disagree again.
I'll tell you why. That's coming up.
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Speaker 1 (30:40):
Probably won't disagree with Tom Brady much, but once again
he doubled down on something that I do disagree with.
That quarterbacks the position has been dumbed down. Now, this
was outdoors, it was a fan fast. He was interviewing
with Stephen A. Smith. It was just off the cuff,
But here's the bite earlier this week or last weekend.
Speaker 13 (30:59):
I think it's it's just a tragedy that we're forcing
these rookies to play early. But the reality is the
only reason why that is because we've dumb the game down,
which has allowed him to play. We used to spend
hours and hours in the offseason in training camp trying
to be a little bit better than next year.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
But I think what happens.
Speaker 13 (31:14):
Is discourages the coaches from going to deep levels because
they realize the players don't have the opportunity to go
to a deep level, so they're just going to teach
them where they're at.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Five years.
Speaker 13 (31:23):
I got to learn how to drop back pass, to
read defenses, to read coverages, to be coached. I had
to learn from being seventh quarterback on the depth chart
to moving up to third to ultimately being a starter.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I had to learn all those things in college. That
was development. Well, guys still go to college for three
and four years and Tom was a sixth round pick. CJ.
Stroud was number one on the depth chart because he
was more talented coming out of college. That's his reality.
Brady is more like Brock pretty a late pick. You
got to move yourself up the food chain. That's a
(31:56):
different experience. I don't think quarterback is being dumb down.
In fact, i'd argue the opposite. Kids get more snaps
in camps seven on seven, high school, in college than ever.
The offenses are better coach than more sophisticated. What I
think Tom is missing is this is no longer an
oven league, a bake league. It's a microwave league. There's
(32:16):
too much money expectations. It's a rounding air for an
NFL owner to write off a sixty million dollar contract.
It wasn't ten years ago. Technology money. These guys are
all billionaires now they used to be hundred millionaires. So
you'd like, let a quarterback, let a coach, just stay
longer until the contract expires. When I grew up, there
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was a guy named Jim Hart. He quarterbacked the Saint
Louis Cardinals for eighteen years. He finished one game below
five hundred. Brian Sipen Cleveland for a decade. One playoff win.
I loved him ten years. One playoff win. Mitch Trubisky
got to the playoffs twice. He was called the bust.
(33:00):
They rushed him out of town. He was in a
division with Matt Stafford and Aaron Rodgers in their prime.
He made the playoffs twice. They fired the coach and
the quarterback. That's the world we live in. Football is
so big, so fast. The league's been sped up. Nobody
gets timed coaches by Thanksgiving of year two. Well McVeigh
(33:22):
did it in year one. I mean, people were ready
to run Zach Taylor out of the league until Joe Burrow. Yeah,
the cheapest owner. They had no quarterback. People want to
run him out of the league. Thank God for Joe Burrow.
So that's just the reality of the league. The owners
are richer, therefore they're more impulsive. Therefore coaches are on
the clock by the start of their second training camp.
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I mean, Robert Salah has to win now. He won
seven games with the worst quarterback situation in the league.
It's incredible. A couple more Weddsys five hundred. It's not
that everything's being dumb down. Everything's being sped up. Owners
are crazy town. They're more impulsive than ever. Therefore, general
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managers can't have a bad draft. Therefore, a coach has
to win by year two and the quarterback well seven
on seven camps, Mitch Trubisky. And I'm not saying he
was great, but I grew up with quarterbacks that were
in organizations. They'd win a single playoff game in a decade,
and they were beloved. I mean Jim Hart, go look
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him up. I loved him. I thought he was great.
He ended up eighty seven, eighty eight and five quarterback forever.
There was no talk of replacing Jim Hart. I don't
even know who. You know. Maybe it was Neil Lomax
that replaced him. But it's like dating apps, TikTok iPhones,
one click order on Amazon. Society has been sped up.
(34:51):
We're not getting dumber necessarily, but we're asked to deliver
more quickly or the power from down gets rid of us.
So I does that mean we're simplifying. It doesn't mean
the athletes aren't capable of learning. They're still going to college.
Quarterbacks now come with far more experience than these you
know now than they did in Tom's era. Tom was
(35:14):
in the bake era, Let it bake era, have patience era.
That's done. There's too much. You find a business that
becomes a billion dollar business like college football right now,
I mean, finally, TV networks just blew it up and
just said, enough nonsense. There's too much money in college football.
We're just gonna have two major conferences, get rid of
(35:34):
the PAC twelve, merge everything together. As athletic directors, you'll
listen to us. Will tell you what you get annually
from US networks run college football. It's not ads, it's
not school presidents like there's just too much money in it. Now,
remember too big to fail? Remember that too big to fail,
and it's like, yeah, we got to make this thing work.
(35:56):
That's how sports are in America. Whenever I hear, oh,
the you know, the NFL, the dangerous, it's too big
to fail. But when you become that, you just the
tarmac shortens, the runway shortens. You don't get the time anymore.
By the way, top of the hour, my NFL predictions,
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Albert burstops by. So I saw this story. Pete Carroll
is returning to USC to teach a class. He won't
tell you what exactly it is. I was told a
couple of weeks ago he's been hanging around the university.
So here here was Pete Carroll on the radio. This
is in Seattle. On what he's doing right now, I.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
Can coach tomorrow. I mean, I'm physically in the best
shi if I've been in a long time. I'm ready
to be ready to do all the activities that I'm
doing and feeling really good about it. I could, I don't,
but I don't really I'm not desiring it, you know,
at this point, I'm not thinking that it's in him
holding my breathing. So if it's been forty something in
(37:03):
the years, forty eight years or whatever coaching and that's it,
I'm feel okay about that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You know. It is interesting, is it possible that Pete
and Russell Wilson would never admit it, but both only
succeeded in the NFL when they were together around their prime.
So Pete was fired twice before Russ and then once
after we left. But in that window that when they
were together for about nine years, four division titles, eight
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to nine years in the playoffs, eight of nine years,
double digit wins. So if you look at if you
look at Pete with Russell Wilson and without him, it's
two different careers. But the same goes for Russell Wilson.
I mean he became a brand. The Seahawks exploded as
an organization. Russell Wilson, got people drafted, he had a
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great running game. Pete did his job. Seahawks were number
two in defense during that run. Russell did his job.
Yawks offense was top five, and so Pete did his job.
Russell did his job. I don't know if they ever
fully appreciate it. I hope they do what they meant
for each other, but neither really has. I mean, the
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bottom has dropped out of Russell's career, and you know,
Pete was older. If Pete was in his fifties, he'd
get another job. But as I look at it, I
think to myself, they had this eight to nine year
run as somebody from the Pacific Northwest, it's the greatest
run in Seahawk history. And then it was a little
bit of it. It felt like a little bit of
a power grab, like Russell didn't feel respected by the organization.
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They went to Josh Allen's pro day, which by the way,
they should have, and Pete was like, you know, you
want me to let Russ cook. I did. We burnt
the pie. It wasn't very good. We're not gonna let
Russ Cook. So in the end it was a great
nine years together that it was really humming, and then
it kind of dovetailed and then they go their separate ways.
(38:57):
But if you really look at both of their careers,
they really crushed in this league when they were together,
and sometimes it's hard to acknowledge we needed each other.
I think Pete realizes and has said, you know, Pete
was fourteen and eighteen pre Russ and Seattle and had
been fired twice, like he needed Russell. But and I
kind of fell into that. Russell's driving the machine here,
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and then it's been pretty clear to me that once
he left Pete Carroll, it's never been the same. It's
twenty years from now. I'm gonna look if things don't
work in Pittsburgh this year, we're gonna look at Russell
Wilson's career and it's arguably the strangest of all time.
Good enough to be mimicked and get people drafted and
then without a major injury falls off a cliff. Big
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Ben had injuries, Aaron's had injuries, Manning had injuries. I've
never seen like so I just overvalued Russell. I get
I've never seen a career like this. Literally, your passer
ratings one hundred, You're getting people drafted, you're winning playoff games,
can't play with no major injury. It's crazy. All right,
I'll make my NFL predictions. You know when I'm on vacation.
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You know, you know one of the things I'm gonna
I'm gonna miss is talking about bow Knicks. How about
that story? Has that story been great?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, that's a great preseason story.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I love you don't love it.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I love it. It's exciting.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think I think he There's two or three things
I've learned from the preseason. One of them is Boknick's
gonna be a good player. You're smiling. You think it's preseason.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
So happy for him. He was a nice guy when
he came in the studio.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Nice guys finished last. He's more than that.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Ah, here we go on a Wednesday, live in Los Angeles.
It's the Hurt. Wherever you may be and however you
may be listening, Thanks for making us part of your day.
We're bringing Greg co Sell on our last hour today,
sort of starting our Greg co Sell for twenty two
to twenty three weeks or thereabouts. He's gonna go through
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some of the young quarterbacks, what he sees, what he doesn't.
Jamac this my last day for a while, coming back,
you know, labor dash around there, and you're gonna control
some of the stonemach takeover after the ship some of
the stuff. Oh, I'm in total console league.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
This thing's going off the rails instantly.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So I wanted to talk. Kevin Stefanski's the coach the
Cleveland Browns. He's a really good coach and he's dealt
with some ownership stuff and the Baker stuff. And he's
a really really good coach. I think he's one of
the only two or three coaches in the NFL. It's
an ivy leaguer. I think he went to pen or something.
Really smart guy. I love the way he calls a
game and to you know, dealing with the nonsense he's
(01:29):
dealt with. He and Andrew Berry the GM are obviously
know what they're doing. So he was talking about Patrick
Mahomes and I sometimes because the NBA is a star
league and the NFL's more about the shield and the team,
I think we forget just how big of a star
Patrick Mahomes is. One hundred and twenty three million people
watch the Super Bowl, you know, that game that Mahomes
keeps getting into and mostly winning. The Olympic ratings for
(01:54):
basketball with the highest ratings for any basketball game in
a year got twenty million. He get over six times
that for one game. So anyway, Stefanski is talking about
Mahomes's style and how people are copying it.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
You know, it's funny, like it's almost you know, Steph
Curry changed basketball. I think Mahomes is changing football. You're
watching quarterbacks come out and play that style that they
comport themselves like him. So I would not be surprised
if you start seeing that around, certainly our league. You're
gonna see kids in high school trying it. Now, they
better complete it, hear from their head coach.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, it's interesting, most overwhelmingly, ninety percent of the
greatest players ever other star athletes don't mimic There's not
a lot of Peyton Manning copycats or Tom Brady copycats
now Aaron Rodgers and Mahomes. Stylistically, you see guys throwing
off platform no look passes, they get mimicked. Steph Curry
(02:50):
gets mimicked. Nobody tried the skyhook with Kareem Lebron didn't
change the game. He was just great. A lot of
guys most players don't change the game, really productive and
they win, even the great ones. Nobody's copying Tim Duncan.
But I always think there's a certain audacity to the
way Mahomes and Steph Curry plays, and Stefanski says they're
kind of the same. They change the game, and I
(03:11):
do believe that's true with both Mahomes and Steph Curry.
And I also think there's a joyfulness and a playfulness
to their style. But whenever you're just great, right, I
think sometimes it overshadows fundamentals. When I think of Steph Curry,
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you know what I think of his pregame routine. It's
the most intense in the league. I've had multiple coaches
I've talked to about Steph Curry. They're like, you have
no idea how hard he works, and then you watch
the games. Has there ever been a player in league
history that works as hard as Steph Curry to get
his shot? And Patrick Mahomes last year yards per attempt
(03:53):
he was nineteenth. Mahomes has become a great quarterback better
since Tyreek Hill left. Neither one's rigid. They can play
in multiple styles with multiple teammates. I always said Steph
Curry was willing to play with Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony
was threatened by Jeremy Lynn. I like Trey Young a lot,
(04:18):
but he can't get along with de Jon Taint Murray.
Come on, man, It's like part of the greatness of
Mahomes and Curry. They never get in their own way.
Mahomes has virtually no ego. He's making fifty million a year,
forty endorsements, beautiful wife. Literally he laughs, the dad bod jokes.
(04:42):
He laughs at it. He's not insecure about it, he's
not threatened by it. Takes a shirt off, take a picture,
he laughs at it. He lets the cameras in Netflix
to his house. He laughs at sort of the dysfunction,
by the way, dysfunction we all have in our lives.
He just laughs at it. No insecurity. Steph Curry comes
out with shoes of those shoes, that shoe line. It's
like that's what pharmacists wear in the gut. He laughs
(05:05):
at it. They're so secure in themselves they never get
in their own way. And I could there's so many
great stars out there. Once once you're great and you're
stylish and great, you don't get credit for your IQ,
your EQ, your coachability, your self awareness, not stepping on others' toes.
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And I think, I hope we all realize Steph Curry
is the hardest working guy in the league. Nobody's ever
worked harder to get a shot, fight through screens, nobody.
And that's what I think about when I think of him,
is that pregame workout and look at what mahomes has
done since Tyreek Hill left. He wasn't rigid, he didn't
try to force it. He's like all think and dunk,
(05:46):
and he wins back to back Super Bowls. So I
think a lot of times it gets overshadowed. All you
kids want to copy these guys, just to let you know.
It's the lack of ego, coachability, and the fundamentals and
the work ethic that create this. Nobody comes out of
the womb looking like Stephen Mahomes. You got to put
the hours in. So I thought it was interesting. Aaron Rodgers,
(06:08):
you know, I'll say this for Aaron Rodgers. He talks,
he's great content, He's not ducking anybody. I always appreciated that.
I'm never going to criticize a guy that that's always available.
He didn't hide from anybody, and he did talk yesterday.
He was talking about this has been a tough camp
for him. I imagine camps get tougher as you get older.
(06:28):
This is an interesting bite.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
I would say the camp is much harder this year,
and maybe the hardest in the last seven or eight
in my career. Some of the older guys enjoy the
uh to steal a coaching word the callous part of
training camp where you're kind of grinding, and some people
believe that that although it puts more you know, strain
(06:52):
on you in training camp, that actually gets you more
ready to play when the season starts. And then some
people believe the opposite, and you know how it goes.
What ever, teams are having success, people kind of look
at their schedule and go, let's do that.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
He's right, but it is interesting. One of the things
I love about the NFL is the opposite of baseball.
They don't romanticize anything like year to year. Nobody cares.
Do your job. Championship parade, Brady gets a little loopy
in Tampa, almost throws the trophy into the pond, and
then it's like, all right, see in two weeks, let's
get back to work. And that's what I love about it.
(07:26):
It's about the grind. It's not about romanticizing the fifties,
sixty seventies. Nobody cares. I mean, think about this, just
in one year. One year with the Jets, Aaron's gone
from the savior basically saying I want Alan Lazard, Randall
cobb inat Hackett getting kind of what he wants calling
the shots, in the organization, and one year later Robert
(07:50):
Salas called him out at a press conference and find him.
When Aaron was gone, somebody else not Nat Hackett called
the plays in camp. He's now as a liability. They've
brought in new receivers to push Alan Lazard down the
depth chart and training camp. Aaron saying it is absolutely
no cakewalk. It's been brutal. And what a difference a
(08:12):
year makes. I mean, the first year for Aaron in
the NFL in New York was a parade celebrating Aaron's arrival,
and that's what it was. This year it's a military march.
And if you don't achieve your goals, it's failure. And
that's what it feels like. And just to give you
(08:32):
an example, and we all know Aaron's going to be
a Hall of Famer, just to give you an example,
this thing could go off the rails quickly. They may
lose to San Francisco, but what if they lost to
Will Levis or a Sam Darnold or a Jacoby Brissett.
This thing could turn fast. Just to show you how
little we romanticize football, and that how every year is different.
(08:57):
I've been saying this with Aaron stop falling in love
with his last great year. The last time Aaron was
truly great was three years ago. Here's what was happening
in the NFL. Just three years ago, Trey Lance and
Jimmy g were the Niners quarterbacks. The Lions were three
thirteen and one and a dysfunctional mess. We thought mac
(09:18):
Jones was a pro bowler, and the Titans were the
number one seed in the AFC. They're now lost as
a franchise. The last time Aaron Rodgers was great, so
you're like, well, that stuff feels like a decade ago.
Mac Jones was a pro bowler.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
They couldn't give him.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Away this offseason, couldn't give him away, So nobody really cares.
Ian O'Connor, who wrote the book that just came out
two days ago on Aaron, says they struggle this year.
They're all getting swept out.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
I do think if the Jets are two and five,
this could really go south and get ugly in a hurry,
because he's lost some of that good will from Jets fans.
They loved him.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Last year.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
New York City fell in love with Aaron like I've
never seen the city fall in love with a superstar.
If they're having a losing season. First of all, everyone's
getting fired. Sala's getting fired, Packets getting fired, Joe Douglas
is getting fired, and Aaron might get fired. Woody Johnson
loves having a star quarterback. If Aaron plays a decent
level of football and they have a losing season, it's
(10:21):
possible what he will bring him back with the new coach,
But chances are if they don't make the playoffs, Rogers
is out of the building with everyone else.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yep. And last year it was a victory parade when
he showed it, showed up celebrating his arrival. It is
now a military march. Here's the goal, get it or failure.
And that's why it should be and that's why football
is great. Three years feels like twenty years, like nobody cares.
Mac Jones makes a Pro Bowl. Two years later, Boom,
give him away a six round pick, go to Jacksonville.
(10:53):
That's the league. J mattgreg co Sell stops by today
in forty five minutes. I'm gonna give you. I have
made some alterations. I've watched the preseason. I've made a
couple of alterations to my NFL divisional predictions. The fourteen
playoff teams got a couple out, couple new in whatever,
so and then then I go on a little vak
a little. It's work, it's labor intensive. It would be
(11:14):
working the entire time.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Will you be doing our fantasy draft while you're on vacation?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, I don't know. I won't. Oh, okay, well you know,
I gotta say hi to Annacasion.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
He's gonna do auto draft.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That is that the game I'm not given. It is crazy, though,
to go back to the Patrick Mahomes thing, Like, think
of how big he is in America. One hundred and
twenty three million people keep watching him win super Bowls,
and honestly, he could go sideways so fast. He never
gets in trouble. He's the nicest guy. He always says
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the right thing at the podium, totally secure. He's got
a little bit of a dysfunctional family, doesn't matter. Laughs at
the Dad bod. Steph Curry, same thing there. I mean
there has been the Draymond Green stuff, Jordan Poole stuff,
the Clay Thompson drama, the Kevin Durant stuff. Steph Curry
never gets in his own way. Mahomes, think of all
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the stuff Mahomes and Curry have dealt with. Take a
deep breath, talk when necessary, don't inflame situations.
Speaker 7 (12:18):
I think it helped that both of them had, you know,
parents who were pro athletes, and they got to see
that growing up.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Well smart parents.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Yeah, I mean, you know, Mahomes' dad baseball player, Curry's
dad NBA player, Like how to be a professional in
the locker room.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, like that's what matters a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
It does.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
Earlier this week. A really nice kid to a quarterback
for the Dolphins, really really nice guy, good at the podium,
got a little Dak Prescott quality, very very likable guy.
Team first guy, sacrifice a lot for the team guy,
impossible not to like, little ball. Wish his arm was stronger,
had some injuries. Not the perfect quarterback, who cares. There's
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two in the world. But he called out Brian Flores,
his first coach in the NFL, and he said, listen, man,
he was a terrible person. He treated me awfully and
uh now my other coach puts his arm around me,
Mike McDaniel and says, you're really valuable. He goes, how
would you feel if somebody just made you feel like
cramp every day of your life? And it it made
Brian Flores now a defensive coordinator and I got a
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guy I think can really coach. But it made him
look cruel. And Brian Flores went to the mic yesterday
in Minnesota as a coordinator and realized, U, bro, this
is a bad look. This is a really bad look
for you here it.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
Is you know, that hit me in a way that
you know wasn't I wouldn't say it was you know,
positive for me. But at the same time, I and
I've got to use that and say, hey, how can
I how can I grow from that?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know, how can I be better? Do I feel
like you know that's me?
Speaker 9 (14:01):
No?
Speaker 8 (14:02):
But you know, how can I grow from that situation
and then create a create a world where that's not
you know, the case that anyone says that about.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Brian Flores autocratic versus democratic. Sean McVay his group of
coaches are the latter, collaborative. I mean, this weekend McVeigh let,
one of his assistants step to the sidelines, put the
headset on and be the head coach. Growth, collaborative, lubricate,
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pro player, not soft, can be harsh, can call guys out,
but it's democratic over autocratic. And I think Brian Flores,
to his credit, realizes there's a lot of different ways
to coach. But there is an old school Belichecki in camp.
And I think we've reached a new time in the NFL.
That doesn't mean I mean at the college level you
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see a lot of screamers. Still, you don't see that
stuff in the NFL. It just doesn't work with players
most make more than the coaches. But I I do
think there's a reality to what is happening, and Brian
Flores is quickly realizing it is that the Belichick guys,
they're not even getting interviewed for jobs. Bill got one interview,
so you can do There's a lot of ways to coach,
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but Flores for him to spend that much time at
the MIC, I mean a lot of times if somebody
said something to rip Andy Reid wouldn't give it two seconds,
or somebody ripped Sean McVay, he wouldn't give it two seconds.
Brian Flores who's a quiet guy who doesn't love the media,
sat up there and took the arrows and he understood it. Dude,
you're not getting another job. And by the way, I
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think that's one of the reasons he took Minnesota to
learn from what they call the tall Sean McVay, Kevin O'Connell,
much more, Zach Taylor, Kevin O'Connell, Raheem Morris, Sean McVay,
Demiko Ryans, Kyle Shanahan. The players like them. They like
the players. Flores yesterday, here's more on the two of
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shots at him and kind of looking himself in the mirror.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Part of coaching is is.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Correcting.
Speaker 8 (16:08):
You know, I'm always gonna correct.
Speaker 10 (16:10):
Look, I've done a lot of reflecting and you know,
on the situation, you know, reflecting on the situation communication. Uh,
you know, I think there's things that I could do better,
for sure, and I've grown in that way, and I
tried to apply the things that I could do better
than the things that I've learned, you know, over the
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last you know, two to three years.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I think Brian Flores, in my opinion, is too good
of a coach not to get a second chance. He's
way too good of a coach. He got Miami by
it was a mess. And like week seven or eight,
you were watching the Dolphins when he was coach and
thinking their defense and special teams are both elite in
eight weeks. So I think he'll get another shot. But
the other thing that hurts the autocratic guys, the old
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school guys, there's a little wizard of oz here. Brady left.
It all came crumbling down. Now the guys can't get interviews.
Brady left one of Super Bowl elsewhere. Eleven years of
Belichick without Brady got one playoff win. So there's a
little bit of it. Got everybody pulled back the curtain
once Brady left, and it really didn't work. It just
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worked with Tom because Tom allowed it to work. J
Mack with the.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
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Speaker 2 (17:23):
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Speaker 7 (17:27):
So the one interesting quarterback competition battle in the preseason
is in Pittsburgh where Russell Wilson justin fields continue to battle. Well,
two coaches have spoke up, two legendary coaches I should
add about the battle, and both Bill Belichick and Bill
Cowher said the Steelers should go with Russ, who is
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still number one on the jet chart.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Colin, you agree with these guys, it's gonna be Russ.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Would you guys? I would start with him. I mean
I almost despite what everybody says, I think there's like
an understanding that Russ gets the first shot at it.
And again, it would be one thing if we watched
Justin Fields last week against Buffalo and it was shazam.
They were both a mess. So if they're both struggling,
just go with the experienced guy.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
It's probably what'll happen.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
No, I don't know that well their offense, that their
offensive line has a lot of issues and I'm not
sure Tomlin can solve it. But in fairness, they've had
all sorts of injuries and they're shuffling guards and tackles around.
They have a I think they have a rookie of center,
so he's you know, it's it's that's a hard position
to come in as a rookie. So like a lot
of Pittsburgh's issues I think are cultural. They just don't
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that that unit has not been good forever. But in fairness,
they're moving it's musical chairs with their O line right now,
and Fields and Russell Wilson are paying for it.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Yeah, we talked about newness in Washington, you know, Pittsburgh
new quarterback new oc like newness can be tough, and
I just I'm not optimistic on this Dealers team. I
still see Steelers fans out there. I don't know if
they're delusional or maybe I'm missing something.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Now. I think I got feedback from two different people
in the Pittsburgh media on my Tomlin criticism who reached
out and said thank you. Oh. Is that that there
is this sort of protective layer that you can't criticize Tomlin?
In my take is we fired Andy Reid and Belichick,
give me a break, Like, like, if you can fire
those Marty Schottenheimer people moved off when Marty Schottenheimer was
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fourteen and two last time, you know, with the Chargers
with a dysfunctional organization at the time, I thought so,
like we move off coaches very quickly.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
Yeah, and we being critical of Tomlin doesn't mean you
don't like him. Everybody's listen. Patrick Mahomes had a rough
season last year. Yeah, I'm criticizing about it. Rock Berdy
just fants against it. And that's Sunday the halfball game
against the Ravens. I'm gonna hammer him, you had.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
A bad game.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Pat Riley has said multiple times, you get about ten
years and people need a new voice. So it's it's hard.
I mean what spolsterra was doing. New team, new guys.
It's you have to have the GM in your corner again.
People think like Pete Carroll had a magical decade in Seattle.
But I thought at the end it was time to go.
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I thought John Snyder won the tug Awar. I thought
the drafts were better than the results. It's okay. There
are just certain jobs. Maybe I'm in one. It never
ends well. Like politics, sportscasters and football coaches. You know,
Andy Reid will probably be able to call his own shots.
That's like one of one hundred. Sean Payton left New
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Orleans on his accord. That is so rare. That is
so rare.
Speaker 7 (20:35):
Let's move on to Josh Allen, who is one of
the top quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Man, a lot of people have him right behind my home.
Some people have Burrow.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Either way, Allen's a top three quarterback in the league,
but he's not paid like it.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
This is interesting.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
He is currently the thirteenth highest paid quarterback in the
NFL due to average salary per year. Remember, he signed
his deal in twenty twenty one. Allen says he doesn't
have a problem with his current deal.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Listen, everyone's going to have their day, you know.
Speaker 11 (21:02):
I'm happy that everyone's getting what they're worth, right And
I think that as the game progresses and guys keep
getting paid again, the market is the market. And I've
got no problem with where I'm at right now. And
you know, I had my day a couple of years ago,
and I'm sure someday I'll have it again, you know.
But I think the main thing is the main thing,
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and that's playing football to the best of my ability,
and everything else will take care of itself.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So he comes from a good family and a small town.
He's not driven by money, so let's give him credit. Secondly,
he's made a lot of money. Third he has a
big body type, so the chances are he'll play a
long long time in this league. He's not hurt or
too or a smaller quarterback he's now. Cam wasn't nearly
as good as Josh, Allen. I think Josh is going
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to last a long time. I think Josh takes care
of himself better than Ben or Cam did, and still
you know those guys had nice careers. So I did
all this about being paid a lot of money, Like
it's such a turn off to me, Like, let's not
make the NFL the NBA where we keep track of
everybody's paycheck. Like he gets paid a lot and he's great.
I'm good with it.
Speaker 7 (22:10):
The only pushback I would say is the style of
the brand of football he plays is rugged. He takes
a lot of hits. We saw Cam Newton out of
the NFL at like what thirty one?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, Cam took like a lot of him.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
There's a lot of hits.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Alan, I know, is working on sliding and Ran I
think a little less last year. But if I'm him,
he's got a restructure after the season. You can't continue
to be thirteenth highs paid. Perdy's going to pass you
next year. Like you don't think he should restructure.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I think he should win as many games as he can,
and I think contract wise though, I think restructure and
not he'll be able to afford a very nice condo
in downtown dancing around. You're driven millionaire, You're driven by money.
Speaker 7 (22:55):
I want the guys to get paid NFL long Josh
Allen's two hits away from me.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
You know what I want. I want my teams to
be flexible. You want your guys to get paid your
new media. I want my team to be flexible. The
Patriots were flexible and have rings. By the way, Kansas
City is flexible. You go ahead, get off Tyreek Hill.
They got off to Lugarious Sneed. That's right.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Flexible, that's right.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We're not paying a receiver that bye bye. Let's start over.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Well, the Bills just did that with Diggs. They're flexible.
Speaker 7 (23:22):
We'll move off digs tight ends like I think you
could do both.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You could be flexible and pay your quarterback.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Dallas is gonna pay Stea Lamb of Fortune Micah Fortune
daka Fortune. Not really flexible if you if you're asking
me what I would do, I would I would pay
Ceedee Lamb of Fortune, and I would have drafted a
quarterback three years ago. But they're not. They're not. Dallas
is not as flexible as you think. They're very insular.
It's all about signing their guys. Dallas is not flexible.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Well run, we can admit that.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, they're not poorly run, but they're not as flexible.
If you're flexible, you bring somebody into that building that
doesn't have the last name Jones, and they run your personnel.
Not so somebody named Jones. That's flexible. It's going to
be tough. The Bills have to move off to both
safeties now they're aging. But Allen's contract is owners that's.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Just where we are. You got to pay the quarterback
a lot. I mean how many quarterbacks they cycle through
after Jim Kelly. Remember how good of a run he has.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They are paying him a lot.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
He's not.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
They're not short dat quarterback. That's the way it works
because every two years there's seven guys that signed.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, Mahomes restructured.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yes, he's the world's greatest football.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Play Josh Allen's probably second.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Josh Allen has never even gotten to a Super Bowl.
Mahomes has what three rings already? Two three rings? It matters.
That's the difference between getting to a conference championship and
winning the trophy.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I wonder where the audience lands. Do they want to
pay the quarterbacks or they want to.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Go I've said this for years, this incessant need by
young media to everybody get the bag. If I owned
a team, I would pay big money and frequently. I
would be flexible. I would pay the people that I
drafted and hit. So you draft Josh Allen first round,
you pay him. But if you're looking to be the
highest paid guy, I'll just let you know I may
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not be able to build that offensive line as well
as you like. And we're gonna draft a quarterback every
other year behind you, and he'll get snaps in the
preseason and in camp.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
I don't think he needs highest paid, but certainly we'll restructure.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
We want to keep you happy, Josh. We're gonna bump
you up, and I'm sure he will.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Thankfully, the NFL is still run by adults in their
forties and fifties, capologists. It's not run solely by employees players.
I want GMS to GM, coach to coach, players to play,
owners to own. I'm really comfortable with that. I don't
do programming for this network. I talky, very comfortable with that.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
Shirped in Miami. I hate everybody else to getting paid.
All the receivers I need to get paid now.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
And Dolphins bent over backwards and restructure.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Tyreek kill and because of that, after a few injuries
last year, they weren't as good defensively.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, they're not gonna be great this year.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
The vital story is Jerry Jones gave an update kind
of ish on where things stand with Cede Lamb and
Dak Prescott's contract negotiations with CD. He said both sides
are having promising talks regarding an extension, but with Dak
he seemed to hint that nothing will get done during camp,
saying that since the season is approaching, they're operating under
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his existing contract.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, of course, yes, he's got a con there's no
reason to redo Dak right now, he's got a year left.
There's absolutely no reason. This idea, when did we become
When did it become the NBA where I have to
pay you before? How about you just go to the
end of your contract and you know, four to five
months before you can wrap up a contract in two weeks. Agent, Jerry,
sit down, here's the numbers. Get close to it. This
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idea that you have to pay everybody early. No, Brandon
Nyuk's got a year left.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
So remember the Kirk Cousins situation in Minnesota. He was
on his final year, gets the injury to the Achille
and moved off him exactly you think.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Dak is not a lot.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
You think it'd be better for the Vikings if they
would have gone million billion dollars into him and he's hurt, well,
and then you're trapped.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
I think Kirk Cousins is just okay, well, but I
think Dak's just okay.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
You think it. By the way, I give Dak a
new contract tomorrow Weeked eleven rips up his knee, second
major injury. Oh congrats on being irrelevant. Why are you
got what? What is this insistence to pay everybody early again?
You know, you tear up a knee as a quarterback
and that's your protm. That's not mine as an owner.
I am preserving. This is more than just about a
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singular star. True, it's about protecting the franchise, the viability.
You know what fans like to go see on Sunday winning,
You're not if you pay a quarterback early, he gets
hurt and you're done.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
So twelve wins he's in the last three years. That's
a lot of winning the Cowboys fancas.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's in January, February league, it's not a September now.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
He has not delivered in the postseason. Again, I'm not
saying I'm worried about Dak He's made a lot of money.
But again Week three he goes out Pops an Achilles
and whatever. It's like, all right, dude, you have any
insurance going forward?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
Like who knows where you'll be next year?
Speaker 7 (28:04):
Who's paying for a top dollar for a guy coming
off well, Dallas.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Dallas is becoming the Steelers. They won't get the air apparent. Ready, Brady,
your job, no question about it. I would be drafting quarterbacks.
I would have drafted one this year.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
At Trey Lance trade and overpay and well whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I would draft quarterbacks once the quarterbacks had even Joe Burrow,
you gotta start drafting quarterbacks every year once a guy's
had a second injury. I'm drafting quarterback. Doesn't mean in first, second,
or third, but I'm gonna have a guy ready to roll.
I mean next year. It's very possible that the Rams
want Rams want Matt Stafford for the next three years,
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and Stafford's camp is saying we want to play for
three years. I would not be shocked if the Rams
number one pick next year in the first round is
a quarterback. Now, he's not going to play for a
year and maybe two, but that's the reality of the league.
I'm sorry they're drafting. If things go haywire and they're.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Drafting top ten, that's not gonna happen, right, So are
they taking quarterback.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Twenty two tours? Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
The quarterbacks next year outside of Carson Beck are are
somewhere between nine and thirty. There's not a lot of
top four or five picks. Riley Leonard got yeah, Riley
Leonard is not a top five pick.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Well, we'll see.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
College football season is gonna be awesome for some of
these quarterbacks. We will did Dylan Gabriel? You like him,
his prospects.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I think he I think he's gonna win the Heisman.
I think he's very good.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I bet Beck to win the heisbacks.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Now they're both. Those are your two guys. J Mack
with a news.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's infrequent, But I disagree with Tom Brady for only
the second time, but on the same quote he said
the same thing months ago. I disagreed. I disagree again.
I'll tell you why. That's coming up.
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Speaker 1 (30:40):
Probably won't disagree with Tom Brady much, but once again
he doubled down on something that I do disagree with.
That quarterbacks the position has been dumbed down. Now, this
was outdoors, it was a fan fast. He was interviewing
with Stephen A. Smith. It was just off the cuff,
But here's the bite earlier this week or last weekend.
Speaker 13 (30:59):
I think it's it's just a tragedy that we're forcing
these rookies to play early. But the reality is the
only reason why that is because we've dumb the game down,
which has allowed him to play. We used to spend
hours and hours in the offseason in training camp trying
to be a little bit better than next year.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
But I think what happens.
Speaker 13 (31:14):
Is discourages the coaches from going to deep levels because
they realize the players don't have the opportunity to go
to a deep level, so they're just going to teach
them where they're at.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Five years.
Speaker 13 (31:23):
I got to learn how to drop back pass, to
read defenses, to read coverages, to be coached. I had
to learn from being seventh quarterback on the depth chart
to moving up to third to ultimately being a starter.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I had to learn all those things in college. That
was development. Well, guys still go to college for three
and four years and Tom was a sixth round pick. CJ.
Stroud was number one on the depth chart because he
was more talented coming out of college. That's his reality.
Brady is more like Brock pretty a late pick. You
got to move yourself up the food chain. That's a
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different experience. I don't think quarterback is being dumb down.
In fact, i'd argue the opposite. Kids get more snaps
in camps seven on seven, high school, in college than ever.
The offenses are better coach than more sophisticated. What I
think Tom is missing is this is no longer an
oven league, a bake league. It's a microwave league. There's
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too much money expectations. It's a rounding air for an
NFL owner to write off a sixty million dollar contract.
It wasn't ten years ago. Technology money. These guys are
all billionaires now they used to be hundred millionaires. So
you'd like, let a quarterback, let a coach, just stay
longer until the contract expires. When I grew up, there
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was a guy named Jim Hart. He quarterbacked the Saint
Louis Cardinals for eighteen years. He finished one game below
five hundred. Brian Sipen Cleveland for a decade. One playoff win.
I loved him ten years. One playoff win. Mitch Trubisky
got to the playoffs twice. He was called the bust.
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They rushed him out of town. He was in a
division with Matt Stafford and Aaron Rodgers in their prime.
He made the playoffs twice. They fired the coach and
the quarterback. That's the world we live in. Football is
so big, so fast. The league's been sped up. Nobody
gets timed coaches by Thanksgiving of year two. Well McVeigh
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did it in year one. I mean, people were ready
to run Zach Taylor out of the league until Joe Burrow. Yeah,
the cheapest owner. They had no quarterback. People want to
run him out of the league. Thank God for Joe Burrow.
So that's just the reality of the league. The owners
are richer, therefore they're more impulsive. Therefore coaches are on
the clock by the start of their second training camp.
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I mean, Robert Salah has to win now. He won
seven games with the worst quarterback situation in the league.
It's incredible. A couple more Weddsys five hundred. It's not
that everything's being dumb down. Everything's being sped up. Owners
are crazy town. They're more impulsive than ever. Therefore, general
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managers can't have a bad draft. Therefore, a coach has
to win by year two and the quarterback well seven
on seven camps, Mitch Trubisky. And I'm not saying he
was great, but I grew up with quarterbacks that were
in organizations. They'd win a single playoff game in a decade,
and they were beloved. I mean Jim Hart, go look
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him up. I loved him. I thought he was great.
He ended up eighty seven, eighty eight and five quarterback forever.
There was no talk of replacing Jim Hart. I don't
even know who. You know. Maybe it was Neil Lomax
that replaced him. But it's like dating apps, TikTok iPhones,
one click order on Amazon. Society has been sped up.
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We're not getting dumber necessarily, but we're asked to deliver
more quickly or the power from down gets rid of us.
So I does that mean we're simplifying. It doesn't mean
the athletes aren't capable of learning. They're still going to college.
Quarterbacks now come with far more experience than these you
know now than they did in Tom's era. Tom was
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in the bake era, Let it bake era, have patience era.
That's done. There's too much. You find a business that
becomes a billion dollar business like college football right now,
I mean, finally, TV networks just blew it up and
just said, enough nonsense. There's too much money in college football.
We're just gonna have two major conferences, get rid of
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the PAC twelve, merge everything together. As athletic directors, you'll
listen to us. Will tell you what you get annually
from US networks run college football. It's not ads, it's
not school presidents like there's just too much money in it. Now,
remember too big to fail? Remember that too big to fail,
and it's like, yeah, we got to make this thing work.
(35:56):
That's how sports are in America. Whenever I hear, oh,
the you know, the NFL, the dangerous, it's too big
to fail. But when you become that, you just the
tarmac shortens, the runway shortens. You don't get the time anymore.
By the way, top of the hour, my NFL predictions,
(36:17):
Albert burstops by. So I saw this story. Pete Carroll
is returning to USC to teach a class. He won't
tell you what exactly it is. I was told a
couple of weeks ago he's been hanging around the university.
So here here was Pete Carroll on the radio. This
is in Seattle. On what he's doing right now, I.
Speaker 9 (36:40):
Can coach tomorrow. I mean, I'm physically in the best
shi if I've been in a long time. I'm ready
to be ready to do all the activities that I'm
doing and feeling really good about it. I could, I don't,
but I don't really I'm not desiring it, you know,
at this point, I'm not thinking that it's in him
holding my breathing. So if it's been forty something in
(37:03):
the years, forty eight years or whatever coaching and that's it,
I'm feel okay about that.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
You know. It is interesting, is it possible that Pete
and Russell Wilson would never admit it, but both only
succeeded in the NFL when they were together around their prime.
So Pete was fired twice before Russ and then once
after we left. But in that window that when they
were together for about nine years, four division titles, eight
(37:29):
to nine years in the playoffs, eight of nine years,
double digit wins. So if you look at if you
look at Pete with Russell Wilson and without him, it's
two different careers. But the same goes for Russell Wilson.
I mean he became a brand. The Seahawks exploded as
an organization. Russell Wilson, got people drafted, he had a
(37:53):
great running game. Pete did his job. Seahawks were number
two in defense during that run. Russell did his job.
Yawks offense was top five, and so Pete did his job.
Russell did his job. I don't know if they ever
fully appreciate it. I hope they do what they meant
for each other, but neither really has. I mean, the
(38:14):
bottom has dropped out of Russell's career, and you know,
Pete was older. If Pete was in his fifties, he'd
get another job. But as I look at it, I
think to myself, they had this eight to nine year
run as somebody from the Pacific Northwest, it's the greatest
run in Seahawk history. And then it was a little
bit of it. It felt like a little bit of
a power grab, like Russell didn't feel respected by the organization.
(38:37):
They went to Josh Allen's pro day, which by the way,
they should have, and Pete was like, you know, you
want me to let Russ cook. I did. We burnt
the pie. It wasn't very good. We're not gonna let
Russ Cook. So in the end it was a great
nine years together that it was really humming, and then
it kind of dovetailed and then they go their separate ways.
(38:57):
But if you really look at both of their careers,
they really crushed in this league when they were together,
and sometimes it's hard to acknowledge we needed each other.
I think Pete realizes and has said, you know, Pete
was fourteen and eighteen pre Russ and Seattle and had
been fired twice, like he needed Russell. But and I
kind of fell into that. Russell's driving the machine here,
(39:20):
and then it's been pretty clear to me that once
he left Pete Carroll, it's never been the same. It's
twenty years from now. I'm gonna look if things don't
work in Pittsburgh this year, we're gonna look at Russell
Wilson's career and it's arguably the strangest of all time.
Good enough to be mimicked and get people drafted and
then without a major injury falls off a cliff. Big
(39:42):
Ben had injuries, Aaron's had injuries, Manning had injuries. I've
never seen like so I just overvalued Russell. I get
I've never seen a career like this. Literally, your passer
ratings one hundred, You're getting people drafted, you're winning playoff games,
can't play with no major injury. It's crazy. All right,
I'll make my NFL predictions. You know when I'm on vacation.
(40:06):
You know, you know one of the things I'm gonna
I'm gonna miss is talking about bow Knicks. How about
that story? Has that story been great?
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Yeah, that's a great preseason story.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
I love you don't love it.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
I love it. It's exciting.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think I think he There's two or three things
I've learned from the preseason. One of them is Boknick's
gonna be a good player. You're smiling. You think it's preseason.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
So happy for him. He was a nice guy when
he came in the studio.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Nice guys finished last. He's more than that.
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