August 29, 2024 • 36 mins
Jason McIntyre steps in for Colin reacting to breaking news from the NFL with the Patriots announcing Jacoby Brissett as their starting QB week 1 over #3 overall pick Drake Maye. He talks to NFL insider Ian Rapoport to get the latest on Trent Williams and Brandon Aiyuk holdouts in San Francisco with the 49ers set to start their season in just 10 days. He also shares his JMac - Six Pack ranking the top 6 QBs in the NFL right with a surprise playmaker in the NFC making the top 5
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
What is up, everybody? It's me Jason McIntyre in for
Colin Cowherd on a busy Thursday in the sports world.
I've been enjoying the time off this week. I don't
know about the rest of my staff.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Here.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We got Greg and Ryan, the band is back together.
We're gonna chop up some stuff. And I know Cowherd
is listening this morning. He's gonna be very upset with
some of these takes, folks. A lot of stuff happening
college football tonight. Dion Sanders. We're gonna talk about him.
What Dion Sanders? What a disaster right now when he's
talking to the media. Ooh gross. Speaking of disasters, how
(01:04):
about the forty nine ers? Not great? But I'm gonna
start here with the new England Patriots. And before you say, Jay,
you're a homer. You're picking on the Patriots. Stop it,
you love the Jets. No, no, no, no, no, guys,
this is there's some embarrassing stuff going on in New England.
And listen, you never want to pick on a rookie coach,
right Gerrod Mayo seems like a nice guy, you know
(01:26):
it was a great college football linebacker, drafted by the Patriots,
spends his entire career with the Patriots, retires, takes like
four years off where there's a little gap where he's
I don't know what he's doing, maybe enjoying life with
his family, and then he starts coaching with Belichick at
the end coach for four years and now he's the
big big boss, and Girod Mayo is basically turning into
(01:48):
a train wreck at the microphone, folks, he's had the
worst week of any head coach in the NFL. I mean,
you can't make this stuff up. So this morning he
announced Jacoby Brissette's gonna be our starting quarterback and everybody
kind of looks, I'm like, okay, and then he didn't
want to talk to the media about it. Okay, I'm
going to go through the last four days of Girod Mayo,
and this, honestly is some clownish stuff. It's amateur hour.
(02:11):
It makes you long for Bill Belichick getting on the
microphone and saying, no, I'm not gonna talk about that. Yep,
We're on to Cincinnati and like giving nothing. That was funny.
Gerrodmeo talks and you're just shaking your head, like, what
are you even talking about? Dude, what's going on? So
this is GIROD Mayo, Patriots head coach on Sunday on
his quarterback battle between Jacoby Brissett and the young kid
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out of North Carolina, Drake May.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I would like to see her and say, one hundred percent,
he's our second best quarterback on our roster right now.
Next question, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So Drake May on Sunday was the second best quarterback
on the roster. So you're like, oh, okay, so Drake
May's not starting, even though Brissette got hurt in the
final preseason game and May look pretty good. The fans
are getting behind May. Everything's looking rosy. So again, that
was Sunday. So here is Mayo the following day to
the media in New England.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
It's a true competition, and I would say at this
current point, you know, Drake has outplayed Jakoby. Now I'm
saying that we have to take in the full body
of work, you know, going all the way back to
the spring in the beginning of a training camp, and
we'll see where we end up.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Uh. Come again, So the day before you said Drake
May is the second best quarterback on the roster. Then
you come out and say, well, Drake May has outplayed
Jacoby Brissett. What are we doing here? And then Mayo
really steps in where he's like, well, if you go
back to the spring, Drake May was drafted in the spring,
what you expect him to instantly be better than the
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journeyman backup quarterback you got the career basically backup in
Jacoby Brissett. He's been a spot starter and been okay,
He's Mayo's not making sense. The rookie has outplayed the veteran.
But the rookie is still the second best quarterback on
the roster. Why should spring matter? What have you done
for me lately? That's what matters, And lately Drake May's
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been the guy. So then it gets a little worse
after that. On Monday, essentially, Gerrod Mayo was pulling like
a high school thing where he's like, hey, no elementary
school thing. Hey, I know who has a crush on you,
but I'm not gonna tell you. Mayo essentially announces to
the media, I know who are starter is gonna be.
I'm just not telling you yet. I haven't told the team.
(04:25):
It's like, why are you announcing that you have a secret? What?
Belichick must just be face palming all over the place,
like what they got this guy following me? So here's Mayo,
he just announced a few hours ago who is starter's
gonna be? And it's Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I feel like we're all on the same page. From
an organizational perspective, there are a lot of factors that
led to this choice. I think, you know, the hard
part is thinking in the short term in the long
term at the same time. As an organization, though, we
feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win
right now. I don't want to get into hypotheticals, you know,
going to the season saying well he's gonna go X
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amount of weeks, like look, as long as Jakobe's going
out there, performing the way that we all have confidence
in him doing. He'll be our quarterback this season.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, you mean the guy who was just outplayed by
the rookie in camp and in the preseason. That that guy.
You have a lot of confidence in that. So I'm
trying to find a historical perspective of following a legendary coach,
and the best one I could come up with is
my people in DC will remember this. Joe Gibbs was
a legend in Washington at the time they were the Redskins.
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He was winning, just stacking Super Bowls. Legendary guys like
Art Monks. Somebody may remember John Riggins, Gary Clark. I
grew up in the DC area in the eighties, and
obviously I was born in New York, so I came
down to DC and I'm like a young little punk.
Of course, shocker Jason's a punk, and I'm like, I
don't want to root for this Washington team, screw them.
(05:53):
I'm a Jets guy. And of course the Jets were
at bottom feeders and Washington was dominant, and like you
would cross the street to go to school, and the
crossing guards with like hand out Washington at the time
Redskins cards, and you would like, oh, Darryl Green, oh
my gosh, amazing, and I'd be I don't want the cards.
I don't want Washington. Meanwhile, they're dominant and winning, and
then Gibbs leaves, well, who does he leave the team too?
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Gibbs and the owner agree, Hey, let's give it to
the guy who's been by my side, one of my lieutenants,
Richie Pettibah. Now Washington fans will remember him. He took over,
they went four and twelve, and they dusted him. This
is shaping up as a one and done for Gerrod Mayo.
Mayo again, great Patriots player, a loyal lieutenant for a
few years with Belichick, he inherits the job. Kraft is
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giving his full support, and then Mayo guys undeniably he's
been a train wreck. And NFL teams are getting increasingly
okay with I'm moving off my guy. After a year.
We saw erbn Meyer gone in Jacksonville. We've seen the
Carolina Panthers run through coaches pretty damn quickly. Teams are
not messing around. I am predicting, and this is not
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the hot take hat hour to start the show. I
think Gerrod Mayo one and done. They have the lowest
win total in the league per Vegas. And if this
team goes four and twelve, may don't take off. I
think it's over for girod Mayo in New England. Now
I'm gonna pivot to college football, and there's a I
don't know. I don't want to call it a big game.
I don't want to call it a seismic game, but
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it's an interesting game. It is Dion Sanders and the
Colorado Buffaloes. They are playing tonight against not Quite Roast
Beef Tech. But they got in North Dakota State, and
you guys know the story with the Colorado Buffaloes. Dion
Sanders is the story. Okay. I know some of the
herd audience doesn't like when I talk about this guy,
(07:40):
but you know, I call Elon Musk a Carnival Barker,
and it's working for him. He is drawing attention to
all of his businesses. He's always saying some inflammatory, incendiary stuff,
and that's fine. We obviously know he's super smart. The
dude's sending rockets into space and has satellites better dominating
around the globe. Come on, Elon Muskin, doing right things
(08:01):
at the same time. He's a Carnival Barker and it's
working for him. He's a disruptor. Okay, that's his DNA.
And I'm not comparing Deon Sanders to Elon Musk, but
they're in the same zip code. Okay. Deon Sanders gets
to Colorado and is talking a lot of smack, talking junk,
and then they pull off three upsets to start last season.
(08:22):
They were the biggest story in college football. And it's
not close. Okay, they were the biggest, and I'll never forget.
After that third win, Dion walked into the press room
and he's almost pointing at media members. You guys probably
know ed Werders covered the Cowboys for ESPN forever, pointing
at media members. Do you believe? Do you believe?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Laughing We hear and it's like, oh, okay, this is
a great story. And everybody loved Dion and it was
the Colorado Buffalo's won one game the year before Dion
got there. Now they're three to zero and their ratings
juggered out. They were on Fox a bunch last year
and the numbers were massive, and then it kind of
fell off and they lost seven of eight to end
the season, and I was like, ooh, well, Dion still
(09:05):
was the Sportsman of the Year for Sports Illustrated, which
is comical. He won four friggin games and he was
on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Most importantly, Dion Sanders
an absolute cash cow for the university. Okay, he comes in.
He is the biggest biggest name they've had. Hat there
probably ever Colorado had more attention and a reminder, we're
(09:26):
in an attention economy. Can I say so much interesting
stuff on the radio that you're not turning the channel?
When you start scrolling on TikTok, they have your attention.
I confess I'm an Instagram scroller. I don't mind sitting
there for ten minutes scrolling through and next thing you know,
it's twenty minutes. But they have my attention. It attention
equals money in this current economy, and right now, Deon
(09:47):
Sanders has everyone's attention, and he's got so much power
that he's essentially running media members off. A Denver Post
columnist was so critical of Dion. He had a couple, uh,
you know, negative names for Dion, And that's fine. You're
allowed to do that as a columnist and I had
this guy on my podcast, so he talked about it
and it was like, oh man, he's got some good points.
(10:09):
But Dion had enough and Dion was like, m you're done.
You're not asking us questions, we're not taking them from you.
This guy's covered the program, covered Yokich, covered the avalanche,
covered the Broncos. But you're not allowed to ask questions
to the Colorada Buffaloes because you're being negative. And this
is another Elon musk. I don't want to invoke the politician,
but it's very you know you're with us or you're
against us, and I get that. I totally understand that.
(10:33):
Here's Dion Sanders last week or sorry this week on
his critics.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You don't care really because they don't influence you. I've
never read an article or a comment and said, oh,
that's gonna make me go harder. I'm gonna go hard regardless.
I don't think even in my career when I played,
I never talked about what I was going to do.
Contrary to what you all believe. I want to win.
Certainly that if you got to be an idiot, if
you don't want to win in life, or you don't
(10:58):
wanna win as a coach.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's just stupidity if you don't want to do that.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
So that's necessary that I say those type of things.
But I expect to do some amazing things.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Hhmm where in college or the NFL? Now Dion is
on record, I almost stay in college. I know you
guys think of gone, I'm not going anywhere. He's talking tough.
That's fine when your son leaves for the NFL and
Travis Hunter leaves for the NFL, and I think they
have two other good players who are probably the NFL bound.
The cover is gonna be bare, and they're not getting
five star recruits out the wazoo. That's not happening. I'm
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telling you. Dion is very polarizing, and you start to wonder, man,
he's probably just shutting down this stuff. This NFL rumor
is now. I'm staying in college so he doesn't have
to deal with it all season. I do wonder if
he becomes attractive to the NFL if he goes, say
four and eight again, the schedule is tough, and I
(11:51):
know some gamblers who are on the under win total.
I piggybacked him on the Buffaloes this year. There's an
element of Dion where he is Tim tebow ish. Tim
Tebow worked in college football one I believe two titles
with the Florida Gators was an awesome quarterback work perfectly,
but the skill set didn't quite translate to the NFL. Now,
(12:11):
Josh McDaniels thought a translator took him in the first round.
Tibo did win a playoff game, but ultimately he was
not long for the NFL because the skill set didn't
quite line up with the NFL. I wonder does Dion's
bluster and his tough talking and his flamboyance is disrupting
does that play in the NFL? And we're starting before
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the show to talk about settings where that could work.
And again we're talking about an older audience. You guys
have seen Ballers with the Rock. You know what that
room of NFL owners looks like. It's a bunch of
old guys with white hair. You think they want Dion
Sanders in here talking the way he's talking. And I
don't know that it totally works, but I'll give you
one team as we wrap up the first segment. Here,
(12:56):
one team where I think Dion Sanders works. And you
need a Spate team, and you need a city where
Dion vibes, and for me, that's the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I don't know if they'll run off Pierce after one season.
Pierce obviously is going through some girodmeyo stuff of his
own in Las Vegas, naming Gardner Minshew the starter, and
it's like, what are we doing here? DeVante Adams is unhappy.
He told his buddy Deshaun Jackson came on The Herd
last week and said that to me, like Davanta Adams
is not happy. So maybe there's a world where Dion
lines up and ends up in Vegas next year, but
(13:29):
I definitely think he's gonna be done after this year.
In college football, the question is is gonna be a
good year for the Buffaloes.
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Speaker 3 (13:44):
Back here on the Herd, let's get our NFL Network
insider Ian Rapaport into the building. You can see Ian
on NFL Networks The Insider weeknights at seven pm Eastern. Ian,
how are you man?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'm good man? How are you.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I'm excellent. Everybody should know. I was at Chargers camp.
I brought my kids and Ian Rappaport, of course, is
like on the field and he comes over to say
what's up, and guys wanted his autograph. He's this is
how big of a deal Rappaport is. He's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
All right, you know, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It was good seeing you and good meeting your son.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. Now let's move on. And Jacoby
Brissett is officially the starter. I kind of crushed youer
Rod Mayo earlier. He's been all over the place this week.
Drake Mays our second best quarterback. He's outperformed Jacoby Brissett.
We're gonna name Bressette the starter. It just feels like
amateur hour.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well, I would say a lot goes into the decision,
and it's much more than just like, all right, who's
the best quarterback? Right, because you know, the Patriots draft
may not for this year, but for the next fifteen years,
and so the only thing that really matters, with all
due respect to the Patriots season this year, the only
thing that really matters is do they set him up
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for success for the next decade and putting him out
there with an offensive line that is, you know, a
work in progress at that I don't think helps Drake
May at all. So to me, Gerrod Mayer is saying
like he's our best quarterback or he's played the best
or whatever it is, Like, that's a good thing, that's
what you want. They drafts him to be the franchise guy.
That doesn't necessarily mean he's ready to be out there
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against some of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL
from the opening, you know, opening with so it just
means they're very confident what they have for the future.
So I actually like, I think it's the right decision.
I think it's a smart decision. And you know, whatever
has been said, I think they did it well today.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay, the forty nine ers and John Lynch sound a
little exasperated with the Brandon Ayuk situation. And oh, by
the way, Trent Williams is not in the building yet.
I know you're not looking at Vegas lines all the time,
or maybe you are, but forty nine ers Jets has
gone from six and a half to three and a half.
Respected big money coming in on the Jets. I think
people are starting to wonder, Holy cal is Trent Williams
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even gonna play in the opener? We saw them ean
last year without Trent look abysmal for game stretch. You
go without Ayuk and Trent to start the season not good.
I say, it's a panic time for Sanfran What say you?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah? I think there was a time last year and
if I remember correctly, it was no Debo and no
Trent was I think, And yeah, they take a different team.
I mean, look, you know, we could talk all we
want about Brandon Nyuk, and we have for sure talked
about him plenty this offseason, more than I could ever
imagine anyone talking about Brandon Ayuk in any offseason. Yeah,
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he is a very good player. Tren Williams is one
of their best players, might be their best player. That
is a massive deal. And you know, if you say
to me, you know, could any player abs in the
contract extension hold out into the season, he would for
sure be on the list. He is stubborn, he has principled,
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He has made a lot of money and he means business.
So without the right deal, something that he thinks is
the right deal, for sure, we can see him sit
out to start the regular season.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And now that's also not good for Brock Purdy. Who listen,
He's just not going to be as good without the
best left tackle in football, right.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I mean, I don't think I think the whole thing
won't be as good, you know, like the whole team.
But that's you know, Look, players have leverage right now,
some players think they have leverage, and some players really do. Like,
for instance, a sound Reddick has stayed away from the
Jets assuming that they will say, okay, fine, some fine,
We'll just give you the extension you want. And the
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Jets have not budge. And you know, if they can't
rush the pastor in the first if he misses games
and they can't rush the Pastor in the first couple
of games, then maybe he his leverage increases. Otherwise they
have sort of said like, we'll see you when we
see you. You know, I would say for Trent Williams,
he has real leverage. Brandon Ayuk, we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, interesting situation here a week to the season and
some big names not signed. Let me go, let me
out a big, big hot take for you. So Deshaun Watson,
I saw they restructured his deal again. Now we know
they gave him massive, massive money. Okay, I gotta be honest,
I don't know. This is year three for him. He's
had some injuries. When he's been out there, he hasn't
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looked great in the Stefanski offense. Meanwhile, Stefanski looked great
with Joe Flacco. You know, this is a little bit
of a hot take. What are the chances Deshaun Watson
is playing for his job for next season? And maybe
we've seen some teams like Denver take on the huge
dead money of Russell Wilson. Is there a world where
you can envision the Brown saying, hey, Deshaun, if this
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ain't if you're not the guy this year, we're gonna
move off you, or we're gonna draft somebody and you're
gonna be the backup.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I would be very, very very surprised by that. I think,
you know, the main thing I would look at is,
you know, last year, his last game, he led a
fourth quarter comeback with a high ankle sprain and a
shoulder that they found out later in the night was broken.
That's pretty good and I think that to Shaun Watson
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that we saw in his last game was the guy
that they had hoped to see all along. Now there
were you know, there was a multitude of the issues.
There was, you know, a shoulder injury. There was some
arm strength issues because of a shoulder injury that wasn't
either wasn't properly diagnosed or wasn't taken it seriously by
all parties that needed to be or whatever it was.
It was just there was a couple of injuries and
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it wasn't handled great by anyone. And then obviously the
you know, the broken shoulder knocked him out for the season.
But I think when he's been healthy, you know, he
has definitely shown signs of being the guy that you know,
the Browns traded forward gave all that money to. I
would also say for the quarterback context, as always happened.
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You know, the you know he's making in the mid forties.
You know, obviously it was huge when it happened. That
has gone far down the list of quarterbacks salaries as
each quarterback gets a little more money.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
That's a good point. Let me go to the Chiefs
defend two time defending champs. Everybody's excited for Patrick Mahomes
and the new receivers. Nobody seems to be talking about
their tackle situation. Ian, it looks like the second round
kid from BYU's gonna start at left tackle and Juwan
Taylor's gonna started right tackle. And he was an unmitigated
disaster last year. So the last time we saw Mahomes
(20:21):
without two tackles was in the Super Bowl against the
Buccaneers and it was open season on Mahomes. Are people
overlooking this tackle situation in casey.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, probably, you know, I think it's a real thing now.
I mean, I would say this, like, I think if
Juwan Taylor plays as good as he can play, just
talent wise, and since it's fine, But here's the thing
with Patrick Mahomes. When you have him, it allows you
to do basically whatever you want, like really whatever you want.
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I mean, it allowed them last year to take a
receiving group that was up and down and in and
out and all over the place, and you know, he
probably got as much reduction out of those guys as
you could ever imagine, right I mean, And you know, look,
I mean Rashi Rice is sort of a different situation.
He's obviously very talented, but there's not a ton of
those guys that would be great players on other teams,
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but he's Patrick Mahomes and he makes everybody better. I
would say the same to the tackle situation. But you know,
just like we talked about for the forty nine ers,
like you know, if you have an offensive line that
is not functioning properly, it makes like very very challenging.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, we could wrap up with the La Chargers. Ian Listen,
I know that Herbert was in a walking boat for
a minute. What's the latest. Can they run the Greg
Roman offense the way they want it to with Herbert
not one hundred percent or is he one hundred percent
according to your sources.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think he'll be one hundred percent, but that that's
a really tricky injury, you know. I mean that's the
kind of thing. Well you can play with it, but
I'm not sure how comfortable he'll be for a while.
It's just it just lingers and it just it actually
just really sucks. That injury, you know, like planter fash
is not not fun. So I don't know if right
away he'll be exactly like we sort of think. And
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he also missed a lot of training camp times. So
if you say to me, like, you know, could you
see the Chargers starting slow like, to me, that makes
some sense. Now, like, by the second half of the year,
will they be among the better teams in football? I
think there's a real chance. But there's a couple of
things that sort of lead me to think that they
could be a team that starts slow, knowing that they
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have the talent to, you know, figure it out along
the way.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
By the way, if I said Lions over the Jets
in the Super Bowl, after you your laughter subsided, you
would say what.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I mean if I didn't know anything about the history
of those places, yeah, I would say talent wise on
the field, that is as good a guess as any
you know, I mean, I think you know. It's like
I got a whole bunch of friends who are Jets fans, like,
what do you think? What do you think? I'm like,
I think the same thing about last year. If Von
Rodgers is healthy, it's one of the better teams in
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the NFL. He's not healthy, then back to the drawing board,
you know. And then for the Lions, I would say,
you know, just as good, maybe a little bit better
than last year. You should be in a really good place.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Ian Rapaport, NFL Network insider and good human being Ian.
Thanks for your time, man, and good luck this season.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Thank you Man, always great hanging out with you. Take care.
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how he just set a new max benchmark for himself.
He benched two hundred and eighty five pounds, and I'm like,
holy cow, that is impressive. I mean, that's all that's
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big weights, you know. Listen, I didn't know Tom Brady
was that he was built like that. I thought, you know,
we would have a good career together flag football teammates
at Fox now. But Brady's on a different plane if
he's benching to eighty five once. Anyway, So Brady talks
with Peyton Manning and they line up their best quarterbacks
in the NFL, and listen, not many hot takes in
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their in their predictions, because let's be real, after everybody
has Patrick Wilms is the best quarterback if you don't
just stop talking about football. Number two, there is some debate.
Peyton went with Joe Burrow. I can't hate that Brady
went with Josh Allen. I would lean Allan slightly over Burrow,
but not by much. And I think those three, for
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sure are the top three. Here's the rest of Mahomes's
Mahomes had Brady one, I'm sorry, Tom Brady had Patrick
Mahomes one, Josh Allen to Lamar three, Joe Burrow four. Okay,
Peyton Manning had Mahomes one, Joe Burrow two, and then
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interestingly he let's see who was his other one. Oh,
he had Justin Herbert at three, followed by Lamar and
Josh Allen at five. Josh Allen at five. Peyton, I'm
a little surprised. But then again, Peyton Manning was the
one who sold me on Adam Gaze and sold the
Jets on Adam Gaze. That's a real thing. Go look
it up. Peyton Manning was caping up for Adam Gaze.
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The Jets hired him, and it was so bad. So
here are my here's my six pack, My top six
quarterbacks in the NFL. One Patrick Mahomes, no brainer, that's obvious.
Don't argue number two. I'll narrowly go Josh Allen. Number three.
I'm gonna go Joe Burrow. And if you guys look
at the Athletic they had their quarterback tiers piece out
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this week. They noted by the way that there was
only those three in the top tier. After that there
was like eleven quarterbacks in the next tier. I don't
I know. Lamar's coming off the MVP guy. I get
that he didn't even have a great season. I'm being
real here. I didn't think Lamar Jackson was incredible. What
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it was was in that high leverage game against the Niners,
Brock Purty vomits all over himself with five touch interceptions.
Lamar's good, Raven's role, Raven's best record in the NFL,
Raven's number one seed in the AFC was like Lamar's
the MVP, but Dak was the runner up. I don't
have Lamar. I know it's gonna found painful. I don't
have Lamar as four. I'm kinda gonna sort of go
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off the board and listen, don't you know, drive off
the road here. Don't send me angry angry tweets about it.
I'm sorry. I think I've gotta go. I do. I'm
I'm gonna go Jalen Hurts. I know he didn't have
an amazing year last year. I get it. I know
there's a lot of questions. Two years ago he was
the MVP of the league. Now he got injured late
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and Mahome stolen from him. He gets a good offensive coordinator.
I'm gonna go Jalen Hurts. Four. Is that is?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Is?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That too hot of a take. I'm gonna Ryan. Ryan's
moving around in his sharing here, he's got this big
grin on his face. I'll go Jalen Hurts Uh four,
I'll go Lamar five and apologies to everyone who doesn't
like this, but right now I'm gonna go Brock pretty
six six, best quarterback in the Oven, and listen, I
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got a year and a half of data that backs
it up. Okay, for your Jordan Love Love Jordan love Loofe.
You get that he has like eight or nine games
of really good football cousins just coming off the Achilles.
I can't go there, Goff. I like it with the
Ben Johnson system, and I can see that Dak. I
don't love how it sets up for this year, although
he's been really strong. CJ. Stroud is on the come up,
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but I don't have as much data Aaron Rodgers. I
can't have sniffing justin Herbert's injuries no sorry, and Matt
Stafford's had an injury history. I'm optimistic, but he's had
a hamstring injury and the offensive line is in shambles.
So some of this is projection, some of this is
what we've seed. I don't know, right, Ryan, I saw
you all worked up. Well, I don't know about worked up,
but you shifty worked pretty close.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
So, look, here's the problem with someone like Jalen Hurts
is you keep pointing to what he was a couple
of years ago as if there was some sort of
extended body of work to back up that that's exactly
who he is as a quarterback. That is about the
only time we've seen something out of Jalen Hurts that
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goes to show that he is worthy of even being
a top ten quarterback in the NFL. So you're banking
on him being what has only been one very good
season as that's what he's going to be for the
rest of his career. I have my doubts. I have
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my doubts.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's understandable.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
I just I can't get especially to put him as
high as four, like you didn't even structure the list
to be like, and he's snuck in there at six,
like what again?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I would say his Super Bowl performance against the Chiefs
was better than any game Lamar Jacksons had in the playoffs.
Oh spotting, Hurts carried him on his back. Do you
remember that two point conversion run? To the I think
it was to the bottom of the screen. There was
like nothing nowhere to go with like three yards left,
and Hurts somehow found a way. I just I'm a
big fan. I like how he shows up with briefcases,
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you know, like to the building, like, hey man, there's
a I'm serious about this. So I don't know, maybe
I'm a rationally high on Hurts.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
So yeah, I would say Hurts is incredibly high, and
then I.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Know, yeah, laugh per month.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Party.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Look, however, you want to argue the minutia of it,
I think there's certainly a case to be made that
Party is in this conversation in terms of like statistical
achievements kind of thing. But I think when it comes
to the idea of like actual skill sets and if
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teams were able to just draft these quarterbacks and build
around them, like Brock Party is not even close to
coming in in six.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, that part I agree with, you know, and
faithful listeners of Coward will be like, well, Brock Party
doesn't throw a great deep ball. Okay, he doesn't have
the biggest he doesn't have Josh Allen's arm.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
Sure, But I think like even stuff like that is
because like I'm a Joe Burrow fan, like Joe Burrow,
and it was part of what was criticism. Now he
ended up going number one overall and it didn't matter,
but like one of the big criticisms of Joe Burrow
was always like, well, I don't know if he's got
a great arm, and his hands are kind of small,
and it's like the fact that his arm isn't great
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has never held him back from making big plays when
it's needed to be done in the offense, whether it's
you know, some like we were talking earlier with Jamar
Chase and their connection on deep balls, like and it's
the same thing I feel with like brock Party, Like yeah,
sure brock Party doesn't have a great arm, but I've
never felt like it's not like a Mitch Trubisky type
of thing to where you're like that part of the
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offense is just pull that out of the playbook and
that's not even considered a factor. I just see brock
Party as more of like a Toua type of situation
to where you're like, hey, if everything's great, he's going
to execute the offense exactly how you need it to be.
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He's not going to be your offensive driver.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Okay, the pushback would be I'm looking at his game
log from last year. He had to come back to
beat the Packers with a great second half, he had
to back to beat the Lions, and he had an
overtime drive right down the field for points against the Chiefs.
Now they had to settle for three instead of getting
the touchdown. But I mean those are high leverage spots
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and he's always delivering.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
I yes, and I look, I will say this. It
perty's getting pretty close. I mean top ten or top six.
I would say more of like top ten. Yeah, I mean,
you know, we'll see what ends up happening. Obviously, we've
spent a lot of time talking about Trent Williams and
Brandon Ayuk, but it's gonna be pretty hard to deny
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if they make another serious run. And he's like a
leader in passer rating again and has somewhere like close
to thirty touchdowns and very few interceptions and plays incredibly
efficiently that at some point you're reluctantly going to have
to say that this guy is great at what he's
doing in this system, and we need to accept it
until proven otherwise.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I like that Tom Brady comparison where Tom Brady filled
in for blood Cel and they're like, all right, he's okay,
game manager, but he had a couple of pivotal game
winning drives in the Super Bowls and it was like, okay,
maybe he's the guy. You know who didn't make my
top six is Russell Wilson, who is now the official
starter in Pittsburgh. I'm sure you guys saw this. Mike
Tomlin has named Russell Wilson the starting quarterback. I don't
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know if Steelers fans are excited about this. I don't
know if they're disappointed. I think they're kind of just like, meh,
this is kind of where we are and there is
not a lot to get excited about in Pittsburgh. You
got Arthur Smith is your offensive coordinator. And I had
a fantasy guy on my podcast this week and I
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was like, how does Arthur Smith and Russell Wilson has
that lineup for Georgia Pickens on the outside, And they're like,
not great, not great? Now Pickens did shine last year.
I had him and I advocated drafting him everywhere, but
like I saw, I think ESPN had a write up
for like here's a potential surprise and for the Steelers.
It was like naj Harres fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage
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and Mike naserist line that I always uses. He looks
like he's running with a piano on his back in
the middle of the line of scrimmage. Like every down
they just dive. There's running back dives. But I'm just
gonna go back to a Steelers take I had last week.
I don't know if you guys had heard it, but
there's this tiny company in the Silicon Valley and named Intel.
You may have heard of them. They're kind of on
the Mount Rushmore of Silicon Valley. So Intel was the
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leader in designing and manufacturing computer chips for decades, right,
they dominated personal computers. Intel was the jam. Okay, but
you guys know, technology moves fast, and Intel was so
focused on computer chips that they missed They completely missed
the pivot to smartphones. That's a huge whiff. I mean,
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you can't even put a price on it. Then they
also they were like, hey, we missed smartphones. We got
personal computers. We're good. We're good. They missed the pivot
to AI and artificial intelligence, and now they're trying to
play catch up and recently, Intel had like fifteen thousand
layoffs and their soock prices hemorrhaging, and Intel like they
just missed the boat. And this is what some bad
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companies do. When the industry's pivoting, you kind of need
to pivot with them. It's ideal if you can pivot
before them. The Pittsburgh Steelers have missed the pivot to
offense in the NFL. They have spent so much on defense.
This year. I believe they have the oldest defense. Last year,
I believe they had the most expensive defense. That's not
a winning formula. And yes, you guys can say, hey,
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come on, they've made the playoffs every year. They're never
under five hundred. A lot of that is luck. I mean, really,
they went nine and two in one score games. You guys,
anybody who's gambled or followed the NFL knows you go
nine and two one year one score games, the next year,
you're more than likely going to go like three and seven.
Here's the kicker Pittsburgh for the last three years is
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twenty nine to ten in one in one score games.
Twenty nine ten and one. That is unbelievably unsustainable. As such,
I believe they're falling off a cliff and I don't
think there's a damn thing Russell Wilson could do to
save them. Arthur Smith ain't guy. Our great producer here,
Greg Tooey, you know, Houston Texans fan, he's floating. I
think Mike Tomlin could be done after this year. I
was like, well, let's let's I'm not willing to go there.
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I thought Tomlin would walk away after the season, but
he's not an extension. Weird. There's nothing great right now
about the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't see any positives, and folks, yeah,
I kind of weep for Tomalin. They're gonna win five
or six games this year. I'll tell you that straight up.
I bet the alt win total under on the Steelers. Folks,
it's not gonna go well. I just I promise you that.
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And I like Russell Wilson, but some people say he
looks like me. I'll leave that up to you. I
root for him. I think he's a borderline Hall of
Fame guy. Yes, I do, but it ain't it ain't working,
it's not happening.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowherd
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What is up, everybody? It's me Jason McIntyre in for
Colin Cowherd on a busy Thursday in the sports world.
I've been enjoying the time off this week. I don't
know about the rest of my staff.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Here.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
We got Greg and Ryan, the band is back together.
We're gonna chop up some stuff. And I know Cowherd
is listening this morning. He's gonna be very upset with
some of these takes, folks. A lot of stuff happening
college football tonight. Dion Sanders. We're gonna talk about him.
What Dion Sanders? What a disaster right now when he's
talking to the media. Ooh gross. Speaking of disasters, how
(01:04):
about the forty nine ers? Not great? But I'm gonna
start here with the new England Patriots. And before you say, Jay,
you're a homer. You're picking on the Patriots. Stop it,
you love the Jets. No, no, no, no, no, guys,
this is there's some embarrassing stuff going on in New England.
And listen, you never want to pick on a rookie coach,
right Gerrod Mayo seems like a nice guy, you know
(01:26):
it was a great college football linebacker, drafted by the Patriots,
spends his entire career with the Patriots, retires, takes like
four years off where there's a little gap where he's
I don't know what he's doing, maybe enjoying life with
his family, and then he starts coaching with Belichick at
the end coach for four years and now he's the
big big boss, and Girod Mayo is basically turning into
(01:48):
a train wreck at the microphone, folks, he's had the
worst week of any head coach in the NFL. I mean,
you can't make this stuff up. So this morning he
announced Jacoby Brissette's gonna be our starting quarterback and everybody
kind of looks, I'm like, okay, and then he didn't
want to talk to the media about it. Okay, I'm
going to go through the last four days of Girod Mayo,
and this, honestly is some clownish stuff. It's amateur hour.
(02:11):
It makes you long for Bill Belichick getting on the
microphone and saying, no, I'm not gonna talk about that. Yep,
We're on to Cincinnati and like giving nothing. That was funny.
Gerrodmeo talks and you're just shaking your head, like, what
are you even talking about? Dude, what's going on? So
this is GIROD Mayo, Patriots head coach on Sunday on
his quarterback battle between Jacoby Brissett and the young kid
(02:35):
out of North Carolina, Drake May.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I would like to see her and say, one hundred percent,
he's our second best quarterback on our roster right now.
Next question, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
So Drake May on Sunday was the second best quarterback
on the roster. So you're like, oh, okay, so Drake
May's not starting, even though Brissette got hurt in the
final preseason game and May look pretty good. The fans
are getting behind May. Everything's looking rosy. So again, that
was Sunday. So here is Mayo the following day to
the media in New England.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
It's a true competition, and I would say at this
current point, you know, Drake has outplayed Jakoby. Now I'm
saying that we have to take in the full body
of work, you know, going all the way back to
the spring in the beginning of a training camp, and
we'll see where we end up.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Uh. Come again, So the day before you said Drake
May is the second best quarterback on the roster. Then
you come out and say, well, Drake May has outplayed
Jacoby Brissett. What are we doing here? And then Mayo
really steps in where he's like, well, if you go
back to the spring, Drake May was drafted in the spring,
what you expect him to instantly be better than the
(03:42):
journeyman backup quarterback you got the career basically backup in
Jacoby Brissett. He's been a spot starter and been okay,
He's Mayo's not making sense. The rookie has outplayed the veteran.
But the rookie is still the second best quarterback on
the roster. Why should spring matter? What have you done
for me lately? That's what matters, And lately Drake May's
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been the guy. So then it gets a little worse
after that. On Monday, essentially, Gerrod Mayo was pulling like
a high school thing where he's like, hey, no elementary
school thing. Hey, I know who has a crush on you,
but I'm not gonna tell you. Mayo essentially announces to
the media, I know who are starter is gonna be.
I'm just not telling you yet. I haven't told the team.
(04:25):
It's like, why are you announcing that you have a secret? What?
Belichick must just be face palming all over the place,
like what they got this guy following me? So here's Mayo,
he just announced a few hours ago who is starter's
gonna be? And it's Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I feel like we're all on the same page. From
an organizational perspective, there are a lot of factors that
led to this choice. I think, you know, the hard
part is thinking in the short term in the long
term at the same time. As an organization, though, we
feel like Jacoby gives us our best chance to win
right now. I don't want to get into hypotheticals, you know,
going to the season saying well he's gonna go X
(05:02):
amount of weeks, like look, as long as Jakobe's going
out there, performing the way that we all have confidence
in him doing. He'll be our quarterback this season.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, you mean the guy who was just outplayed by
the rookie in camp and in the preseason. That that guy.
You have a lot of confidence in that. So I'm
trying to find a historical perspective of following a legendary coach,
and the best one I could come up with is
my people in DC will remember this. Joe Gibbs was
a legend in Washington at the time they were the Redskins.
(05:30):
He was winning, just stacking Super Bowls. Legendary guys like
Art Monks. Somebody may remember John Riggins, Gary Clark. I
grew up in the DC area in the eighties, and
obviously I was born in New York, so I came
down to DC and I'm like a young little punk.
Of course, shocker Jason's a punk, and I'm like, I
don't want to root for this Washington team, screw them.
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I'm a Jets guy. And of course the Jets were
at bottom feeders and Washington was dominant, and like you
would cross the street to go to school, and the
crossing guards with like hand out Washington at the time
Redskins cards, and you would like, oh, Darryl Green, oh
my gosh, amazing, and I'd be I don't want the cards.
I don't want Washington. Meanwhile, they're dominant and winning, and
then Gibbs leaves, well, who does he leave the team too?
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Gibbs and the owner agree, Hey, let's give it to
the guy who's been by my side, one of my lieutenants,
Richie Pettibah. Now Washington fans will remember him. He took over,
they went four and twelve, and they dusted him. This
is shaping up as a one and done for Gerrod Mayo.
Mayo again, great Patriots player, a loyal lieutenant for a
few years with Belichick, he inherits the job. Kraft is
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giving his full support, and then Mayo guys undeniably he's
been a train wreck. And NFL teams are getting increasingly
okay with I'm moving off my guy. After a year.
We saw erbn Meyer gone in Jacksonville. We've seen the
Carolina Panthers run through coaches pretty damn quickly. Teams are
not messing around. I am predicting, and this is not
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the hot take hat hour to start the show. I
think Gerrod Mayo one and done. They have the lowest
win total in the league per Vegas. And if this
team goes four and twelve, may don't take off. I
think it's over for girod Mayo in New England. Now
I'm gonna pivot to college football, and there's a I
don't know. I don't want to call it a big game.
I don't want to call it a seismic game, but
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it's an interesting game. It is Dion Sanders and the
Colorado Buffaloes. They are playing tonight against not Quite Roast
Beef Tech. But they got in North Dakota State, and
you guys know the story with the Colorado Buffaloes. Dion
Sanders is the story. Okay. I know some of the
herd audience doesn't like when I talk about this guy,
(07:40):
but you know, I call Elon Musk a Carnival Barker,
and it's working for him. He is drawing attention to
all of his businesses. He's always saying some inflammatory, incendiary stuff,
and that's fine. We obviously know he's super smart. The
dude's sending rockets into space and has satellites better dominating
around the globe. Come on, Elon Muskin, doing right things
(08:01):
at the same time. He's a Carnival Barker and it's
working for him. He's a disruptor. Okay, that's his DNA.
And I'm not comparing Deon Sanders to Elon Musk, but
they're in the same zip code. Okay. Deon Sanders gets
to Colorado and is talking a lot of smack, talking junk,
and then they pull off three upsets to start last season.
(08:22):
They were the biggest story in college football. And it's
not close. Okay, they were the biggest, and I'll never forget.
After that third win, Dion walked into the press room
and he's almost pointing at media members. You guys probably
know ed Werders covered the Cowboys for ESPN forever, pointing
at media members. Do you believe? Do you believe?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
Now?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Laughing We hear and it's like, oh, okay, this is
a great story. And everybody loved Dion and it was
the Colorado Buffalo's won one game the year before Dion
got there. Now they're three to zero and their ratings
juggered out. They were on Fox a bunch last year
and the numbers were massive, and then it kind of
fell off and they lost seven of eight to end
the season, and I was like, ooh, well, Dion still
(09:05):
was the Sportsman of the Year for Sports Illustrated, which
is comical. He won four friggin games and he was
on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Most importantly, Dion Sanders
an absolute cash cow for the university. Okay, he comes in.
He is the biggest biggest name they've had. Hat there
probably ever Colorado had more attention and a reminder, we're
(09:26):
in an attention economy. Can I say so much interesting
stuff on the radio that you're not turning the channel?
When you start scrolling on TikTok, they have your attention.
I confess I'm an Instagram scroller. I don't mind sitting
there for ten minutes scrolling through and next thing you know,
it's twenty minutes. But they have my attention. It attention
equals money in this current economy, and right now, Deon
(09:47):
Sanders has everyone's attention, and he's got so much power
that he's essentially running media members off. A Denver Post
columnist was so critical of Dion. He had a couple, uh,
you know, negative names for Dion, And that's fine. You're
allowed to do that as a columnist and I had
this guy on my podcast, so he talked about it
and it was like, oh man, he's got some good points.
(10:09):
But Dion had enough and Dion was like, m you're done.
You're not asking us questions, we're not taking them from you.
This guy's covered the program, covered Yokich, covered the avalanche,
covered the Broncos. But you're not allowed to ask questions
to the Colorada Buffaloes because you're being negative. And this
is another Elon musk. I don't want to invoke the politician,
but it's very you know you're with us or you're
against us, and I get that. I totally understand that.
(10:33):
Here's Dion Sanders last week or sorry this week on
his critics.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
You don't care really because they don't influence you. I've
never read an article or a comment and said, oh,
that's gonna make me go harder. I'm gonna go hard regardless.
I don't think even in my career when I played,
I never talked about what I was going to do.
Contrary to what you all believe. I want to win.
Certainly that if you got to be an idiot, if
you don't want to win in life, or you don't
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wanna win as a coach.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's just stupidity if you don't want to do that.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
So that's necessary that I say those type of things.
But I expect to do some amazing things.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Hhmm where in college or the NFL? Now Dion is
on record, I almost stay in college. I know you
guys think of gone, I'm not going anywhere. He's talking tough.
That's fine when your son leaves for the NFL and
Travis Hunter leaves for the NFL, and I think they
have two other good players who are probably the NFL bound.
The cover is gonna be bare, and they're not getting
five star recruits out the wazoo. That's not happening. I'm
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telling you. Dion is very polarizing, and you start to wonder, man,
he's probably just shutting down this stuff. This NFL rumor
is now. I'm staying in college so he doesn't have
to deal with it all season. I do wonder if
he becomes attractive to the NFL if he goes, say
four and eight again, the schedule is tough, and I
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know some gamblers who are on the under win total.
I piggybacked him on the Buffaloes this year. There's an
element of Dion where he is Tim tebow ish. Tim
Tebow worked in college football one I believe two titles
with the Florida Gators was an awesome quarterback work perfectly,
but the skill set didn't quite translate to the NFL. Now,
(12:11):
Josh McDaniels thought a translator took him in the first round.
Tibo did win a playoff game, but ultimately he was
not long for the NFL because the skill set didn't
quite line up with the NFL. I wonder does Dion's
bluster and his tough talking and his flamboyance is disrupting
does that play in the NFL? And we're starting before
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the show to talk about settings where that could work.
And again we're talking about an older audience. You guys
have seen Ballers with the Rock. You know what that
room of NFL owners looks like. It's a bunch of
old guys with white hair. You think they want Dion
Sanders in here talking the way he's talking. And I
don't know that it totally works, but I'll give you
one team as we wrap up the first segment. Here,
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one team where I think Dion Sanders works. And you
need a Spate team, and you need a city where
Dion vibes, and for me, that's the Las Vegas Raiders.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Now.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
I don't know if they'll run off Pierce after one season.
Pierce obviously is going through some girodmeyo stuff of his
own in Las Vegas, naming Gardner Minshew the starter, and
it's like, what are we doing here? DeVante Adams is unhappy.
He told his buddy Deshaun Jackson came on The Herd
last week and said that to me, like Davanta Adams
is not happy. So maybe there's a world where Dion
lines up and ends up in Vegas next year, but
(13:29):
I definitely think he's gonna be done after this year.
In college football, the question is is gonna be a
good year for the Buffaloes.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
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Speaker 3 (13:44):
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on NFL Networks The Insider weeknights at seven pm Eastern. Ian,
how are you man?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I'm good man? How are you.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I'm excellent. Everybody should know. I was at Chargers camp.
I brought my kids and Ian Rappaport, of course, is
like on the field and he comes over to say
what's up, and guys wanted his autograph. He's this is
how big of a deal Rappaport is. He's a great guy.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
All right, you know, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
It was good seeing you and good meeting your son.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. Now let's move on. And Jacoby
Brissett is officially the starter. I kind of crushed youer
Rod Mayo earlier. He's been all over the place this week.
Drake Mays our second best quarterback. He's outperformed Jacoby Brissett.
We're gonna name Bressette the starter. It just feels like
amateur hour.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well, I would say a lot goes into the decision,
and it's much more than just like, all right, who's
the best quarterback? Right, because you know, the Patriots draft
may not for this year, but for the next fifteen years,
and so the only thing that really matters, with all
due respect to the Patriots season this year, the only
thing that really matters is do they set him up
(14:53):
for success for the next decade and putting him out
there with an offensive line that is, you know, a
work in progress at that I don't think helps Drake
May at all. So to me, Gerrod Mayer is saying
like he's our best quarterback or he's played the best
or whatever it is, Like, that's a good thing, that's
what you want. They drafts him to be the franchise guy.
That doesn't necessarily mean he's ready to be out there
(15:15):
against some of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL
from the opening, you know, opening with so it just
means they're very confident what they have for the future.
So I actually like, I think it's the right decision.
I think it's a smart decision. And you know, whatever
has been said, I think they did it well today.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Okay, the forty nine ers and John Lynch sound a
little exasperated with the Brandon Ayuk situation. And oh, by
the way, Trent Williams is not in the building yet.
I know you're not looking at Vegas lines all the time,
or maybe you are, but forty nine ers Jets has
gone from six and a half to three and a half.
Respected big money coming in on the Jets. I think
people are starting to wonder, Holy cal is Trent Williams
(15:54):
even gonna play in the opener? We saw them ean
last year without Trent look abysmal for game stretch. You
go without Ayuk and Trent to start the season not good.
I say, it's a panic time for Sanfran What say you?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Yeah? I think there was a time last year and
if I remember correctly, it was no Debo and no
Trent was I think, And yeah, they take a different team.
I mean, look, you know, we could talk all we
want about Brandon Nyuk, and we have for sure talked
about him plenty this offseason, more than I could ever
imagine anyone talking about Brandon Ayuk in any offseason. Yeah,
(16:30):
he is a very good player. Tren Williams is one
of their best players, might be their best player. That
is a massive deal. And you know, if you say
to me, you know, could any player abs in the
contract extension hold out into the season, he would for
sure be on the list. He is stubborn, he has principled,
(16:50):
He has made a lot of money and he means business.
So without the right deal, something that he thinks is
the right deal, for sure, we can see him sit
out to start the regular season.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
And now that's also not good for Brock Purdy. Who listen,
He's just not going to be as good without the
best left tackle in football, right.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I mean, I don't think I think the whole thing
won't be as good, you know, like the whole team.
But that's you know, Look, players have leverage right now,
some players think they have leverage, and some players really do. Like,
for instance, a sound Reddick has stayed away from the
Jets assuming that they will say, okay, fine, some fine,
We'll just give you the extension you want. And the
(17:30):
Jets have not budge. And you know, if they can't
rush the pastor in the first if he misses games
and they can't rush the Pastor in the first couple
of games, then maybe he his leverage increases. Otherwise they
have sort of said like, we'll see you when we
see you. You know, I would say for Trent Williams,
he has real leverage. Brandon Ayuk, we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, interesting situation here a week to the season and
some big names not signed. Let me go, let me
out a big, big hot take for you. So Deshaun Watson,
I saw they restructured his deal again. Now we know
they gave him massive, massive money. Okay, I gotta be honest,
I don't know. This is year three for him. He's
had some injuries. When he's been out there, he hasn't
(18:15):
looked great in the Stefanski offense. Meanwhile, Stefanski looked great
with Joe Flacco. You know, this is a little bit
of a hot take. What are the chances Deshaun Watson
is playing for his job for next season? And maybe
we've seen some teams like Denver take on the huge
dead money of Russell Wilson. Is there a world where
you can envision the Brown saying, hey, Deshaun, if this
(18:39):
ain't if you're not the guy this year, we're gonna
move off you, or we're gonna draft somebody and you're
gonna be the backup.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I would be very, very very surprised by that. I think,
you know, the main thing I would look at is,
you know, last year, his last game, he led a
fourth quarter comeback with a high ankle sprain and a
shoulder that they found out later in the night was broken.
That's pretty good and I think that to Shaun Watson
(19:05):
that we saw in his last game was the guy
that they had hoped to see all along. Now there
were you know, there was a multitude of the issues.
There was, you know, a shoulder injury. There was some
arm strength issues because of a shoulder injury that wasn't
either wasn't properly diagnosed or wasn't taken it seriously by
all parties that needed to be or whatever it was.
It was just there was a couple of injuries and
(19:27):
it wasn't handled great by anyone. And then obviously the
you know, the broken shoulder knocked him out for the season.
But I think when he's been healthy, you know, he
has definitely shown signs of being the guy that you know,
the Browns traded forward gave all that money to. I
would also say for the quarterback context, as always happened.
(19:48):
You know, the you know he's making in the mid forties.
You know, obviously it was huge when it happened. That
has gone far down the list of quarterbacks salaries as
each quarterback gets a little more money.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
That's a good point. Let me go to the Chiefs
defend two time defending champs. Everybody's excited for Patrick Mahomes
and the new receivers. Nobody seems to be talking about
their tackle situation. Ian, it looks like the second round
kid from BYU's gonna start at left tackle and Juwan
Taylor's gonna started right tackle. And he was an unmitigated
disaster last year. So the last time we saw Mahomes
(20:21):
without two tackles was in the Super Bowl against the
Buccaneers and it was open season on Mahomes. Are people
overlooking this tackle situation in casey.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, probably, you know, I think it's a real thing now.
I mean, I would say this, like, I think if
Juwan Taylor plays as good as he can play, just
talent wise, and since it's fine, But here's the thing
with Patrick Mahomes. When you have him, it allows you
to do basically whatever you want, like really whatever you want.
(20:50):
I mean, it allowed them last year to take a
receiving group that was up and down and in and
out and all over the place, and you know, he
probably got as much reduction out of those guys as
you could ever imagine, right I mean, And you know, look,
I mean Rashi Rice is sort of a different situation.
He's obviously very talented, but there's not a ton of
those guys that would be great players on other teams,
(21:13):
but he's Patrick Mahomes and he makes everybody better. I
would say the same to the tackle situation. But you know,
just like we talked about for the forty nine ers,
like you know, if you have an offensive line that
is not functioning properly, it makes like very very challenging.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, we could wrap up with the La Chargers. Ian Listen,
I know that Herbert was in a walking boat for
a minute. What's the latest. Can they run the Greg
Roman offense the way they want it to with Herbert
not one hundred percent or is he one hundred percent
according to your sources.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think he'll be one hundred percent, but that that's
a really tricky injury, you know. I mean that's the
kind of thing. Well you can play with it, but
I'm not sure how comfortable he'll be for a while.
It's just it just lingers and it just it actually
just really sucks. That injury, you know, like planter fash
is not not fun. So I don't know if right
away he'll be exactly like we sort of think. And
(22:09):
he also missed a lot of training camp times. So
if you say to me, like, you know, could you
see the Chargers starting slow like, to me, that makes
some sense. Now, like, by the second half of the year,
will they be among the better teams in football? I
think there's a real chance. But there's a couple of
things that sort of lead me to think that they
could be a team that starts slow, knowing that they
(22:29):
have the talent to, you know, figure it out along
the way.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
By the way, if I said Lions over the Jets
in the Super Bowl, after you your laughter subsided, you
would say what.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I mean if I didn't know anything about the history
of those places, yeah, I would say talent wise on
the field, that is as good a guess as any
you know, I mean, I think you know. It's like
I got a whole bunch of friends who are Jets fans, like,
what do you think? What do you think? I'm like,
I think the same thing about last year. If Von
Rodgers is healthy, it's one of the better teams in
(23:03):
the NFL. He's not healthy, then back to the drawing board,
you know. And then for the Lions, I would say,
you know, just as good, maybe a little bit better
than last year. You should be in a really good place.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Ian Rapaport, NFL Network insider and good human being Ian.
Thanks for your time, man, and good luck this season.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Thank you Man, always great hanging out with you. Take care.
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Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, I want to go here. Peyton Manning and Tom
Brady got together new teammate Tom Brady. Yes, he's a
teammate of mine. By the way, I don't know if
you guys saw this. Tom Brady posted a video about
how he just set a new max benchmark for himself.
He benched two hundred and eighty five pounds, and I'm like,
holy cow, that is impressive. I mean, that's all that's
(24:27):
big weights, you know. Listen, I didn't know Tom Brady
was that he was built like that. I thought, you know,
we would have a good career together flag football teammates
at Fox now. But Brady's on a different plane if
he's benching to eighty five once. Anyway, So Brady talks
with Peyton Manning and they line up their best quarterbacks
in the NFL, and listen, not many hot takes in
(24:50):
their in their predictions, because let's be real, after everybody
has Patrick Wilms is the best quarterback if you don't
just stop talking about football. Number two, there is some debate.
Peyton went with Joe Burrow. I can't hate that Brady
went with Josh Allen. I would lean Allan slightly over Burrow,
but not by much. And I think those three, for
(25:11):
sure are the top three. Here's the rest of Mahomes's
Mahomes had Brady one, I'm sorry, Tom Brady had Patrick
Mahomes one, Josh Allen to Lamar three, Joe Burrow four. Okay,
Peyton Manning had Mahomes one, Joe Burrow two, and then
(25:36):
interestingly he let's see who was his other one. Oh,
he had Justin Herbert at three, followed by Lamar and
Josh Allen at five. Josh Allen at five. Peyton, I'm
a little surprised. But then again, Peyton Manning was the
one who sold me on Adam Gaze and sold the
Jets on Adam Gaze. That's a real thing. Go look
it up. Peyton Manning was caping up for Adam Gaze.
(25:57):
The Jets hired him, and it was so bad. So
here are my here's my six pack, My top six
quarterbacks in the NFL. One Patrick Mahomes, no brainer, that's obvious.
Don't argue number two. I'll narrowly go Josh Allen. Number three.
I'm gonna go Joe Burrow. And if you guys look
at the Athletic they had their quarterback tiers piece out
(26:19):
this week. They noted by the way that there was
only those three in the top tier. After that there
was like eleven quarterbacks in the next tier. I don't
I know. Lamar's coming off the MVP guy. I get
that he didn't even have a great season. I'm being
real here. I didn't think Lamar Jackson was incredible. What
(26:41):
it was was in that high leverage game against the Niners,
Brock Purty vomits all over himself with five touch interceptions.
Lamar's good, Raven's role, Raven's best record in the NFL,
Raven's number one seed in the AFC was like Lamar's
the MVP, but Dak was the runner up. I don't
have Lamar. I know it's gonna found painful. I don't
have Lamar as four. I'm kinda gonna sort of go
(27:05):
off the board and listen, don't you know, drive off
the road here. Don't send me angry angry tweets about it.
I'm sorry. I think I've gotta go. I do. I'm
I'm gonna go Jalen Hurts. I know he didn't have
an amazing year last year. I get it. I know
there's a lot of questions. Two years ago he was
the MVP of the league. Now he got injured late
(27:26):
and Mahome stolen from him. He gets a good offensive coordinator.
I'm gonna go Jalen Hurts. Four. Is that is?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
That?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Is?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
That too hot of a take. I'm gonna Ryan. Ryan's
moving around in his sharing here, he's got this big
grin on his face. I'll go Jalen Hurts Uh four,
I'll go Lamar five and apologies to everyone who doesn't
like this, but right now I'm gonna go Brock pretty
six six, best quarterback in the Oven, and listen, I
(27:54):
got a year and a half of data that backs
it up. Okay, for your Jordan Love Love Jordan love Loofe.
You get that he has like eight or nine games
of really good football cousins just coming off the Achilles.
I can't go there, Goff. I like it with the
Ben Johnson system, and I can see that Dak. I
don't love how it sets up for this year, although
he's been really strong. CJ. Stroud is on the come up,
(28:14):
but I don't have as much data Aaron Rodgers. I
can't have sniffing justin Herbert's injuries no sorry, and Matt
Stafford's had an injury history. I'm optimistic, but he's had
a hamstring injury and the offensive line is in shambles.
So some of this is projection, some of this is
what we've seed. I don't know, right, Ryan, I saw
you all worked up. Well, I don't know about worked up,
but you shifty worked pretty close.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
Here we go.
Speaker 9 (28:38):
So, look, here's the problem with someone like Jalen Hurts
is you keep pointing to what he was a couple
of years ago as if there was some sort of
extended body of work to back up that that's exactly
who he is as a quarterback. That is about the
only time we've seen something out of Jalen Hurts that
(28:59):
goes to show that he is worthy of even being
a top ten quarterback in the NFL. So you're banking
on him being what has only been one very good
season as that's what he's going to be for the
rest of his career. I have my doubts. I have
(29:20):
my doubts.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's understandable.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
I just I can't get especially to put him as
high as four, like you didn't even structure the list
to be like, and he's snuck in there at six,
like what again?
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I would say his Super Bowl performance against the Chiefs
was better than any game Lamar Jacksons had in the playoffs.
Oh spotting, Hurts carried him on his back. Do you
remember that two point conversion run? To the I think
it was to the bottom of the screen. There was
like nothing nowhere to go with like three yards left,
and Hurts somehow found a way. I just I'm a
big fan. I like how he shows up with briefcases,
(29:50):
you know, like to the building, like, hey man, there's
a I'm serious about this. So I don't know, maybe
I'm a rationally high on Hurts.
Speaker 9 (29:55):
So yeah, I would say Hurts is incredibly high, and
then I.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Know, yeah, laugh per month.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Party.
Speaker 9 (30:05):
Look, however, you want to argue the minutia of it,
I think there's certainly a case to be made that
Party is in this conversation in terms of like statistical
achievements kind of thing. But I think when it comes
to the idea of like actual skill sets and if
(30:25):
teams were able to just draft these quarterbacks and build
around them, like Brock Party is not even close to
coming in in six.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, that part I agree with, you know, and
faithful listeners of Coward will be like, well, Brock Party
doesn't throw a great deep ball. Okay, he doesn't have
the biggest he doesn't have Josh Allen's arm.
Speaker 9 (30:41):
Sure, But I think like even stuff like that is
because like I'm a Joe Burrow fan, like Joe Burrow,
and it was part of what was criticism. Now he
ended up going number one overall and it didn't matter,
but like one of the big criticisms of Joe Burrow
was always like, well, I don't know if he's got
a great arm, and his hands are kind of small,
and it's like the fact that his arm isn't great
(31:03):
has never held him back from making big plays when
it's needed to be done in the offense, whether it's
you know, some like we were talking earlier with Jamar
Chase and their connection on deep balls, like and it's
the same thing I feel with like brock Party, Like yeah,
sure brock Party doesn't have a great arm, but I've
never felt like it's not like a Mitch Trubisky type
of thing to where you're like that part of the
(31:24):
offense is just pull that out of the playbook and
that's not even considered a factor. I just see brock
Party as more of like a Toua type of situation
to where you're like, hey, if everything's great, he's going
to execute the offense exactly how you need it to be.
(31:45):
He's not going to be your offensive driver.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Okay, the pushback would be I'm looking at his game
log from last year. He had to come back to
beat the Packers with a great second half, he had
to back to beat the Lions, and he had an
overtime drive right down the field for points against the Chiefs.
Now they had to settle for three instead of getting
the touchdown. But I mean those are high leverage spots
(32:10):
and he's always delivering.
Speaker 9 (32:11):
I yes, and I look, I will say this. It
perty's getting pretty close. I mean top ten or top six.
I would say more of like top ten. Yeah, I mean,
you know, we'll see what ends up happening. Obviously, we've
spent a lot of time talking about Trent Williams and
Brandon Ayuk, but it's gonna be pretty hard to deny
(32:33):
if they make another serious run. And he's like a
leader in passer rating again and has somewhere like close
to thirty touchdowns and very few interceptions and plays incredibly
efficiently that at some point you're reluctantly going to have
to say that this guy is great at what he's
doing in this system, and we need to accept it
until proven otherwise.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I like that Tom Brady comparison where Tom Brady filled
in for blood Cel and they're like, all right, he's okay,
game manager, but he had a couple of pivotal game
winning drives in the Super Bowls and it was like, okay,
maybe he's the guy. You know who didn't make my
top six is Russell Wilson, who is now the official
starter in Pittsburgh. I'm sure you guys saw this. Mike
Tomlin has named Russell Wilson the starting quarterback. I don't
(33:18):
know if Steelers fans are excited about this. I don't
know if they're disappointed. I think they're kind of just like, meh,
this is kind of where we are and there is
not a lot to get excited about in Pittsburgh. You
got Arthur Smith is your offensive coordinator. And I had
a fantasy guy on my podcast this week and I
(33:38):
was like, how does Arthur Smith and Russell Wilson has
that lineup for Georgia Pickens on the outside, And they're like,
not great, not great? Now Pickens did shine last year.
I had him and I advocated drafting him everywhere, but
like I saw, I think ESPN had a write up
for like here's a potential surprise and for the Steelers.
It was like naj Harres fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage
(33:59):
and Mike naserist line that I always uses. He looks
like he's running with a piano on his back in
the middle of the line of scrimmage. Like every down
they just dive. There's running back dives. But I'm just
gonna go back to a Steelers take I had last week.
I don't know if you guys had heard it, but
there's this tiny company in the Silicon Valley and named Intel.
You may have heard of them. They're kind of on
the Mount Rushmore of Silicon Valley. So Intel was the
(34:22):
leader in designing and manufacturing computer chips for decades, right,
they dominated personal computers. Intel was the jam. Okay, but
you guys know, technology moves fast, and Intel was so
focused on computer chips that they missed They completely missed
the pivot to smartphones. That's a huge whiff. I mean,
(34:42):
you can't even put a price on it. Then they
also they were like, hey, we missed smartphones. We got
personal computers. We're good. We're good. They missed the pivot
to AI and artificial intelligence, and now they're trying to
play catch up and recently, Intel had like fifteen thousand
layoffs and their soock prices hemorrhaging, and Intel like they
just missed the boat. And this is what some bad
(35:03):
companies do. When the industry's pivoting, you kind of need
to pivot with them. It's ideal if you can pivot
before them. The Pittsburgh Steelers have missed the pivot to
offense in the NFL. They have spent so much on defense.
This year. I believe they have the oldest defense. Last year,
I believe they had the most expensive defense. That's not
a winning formula. And yes, you guys can say, hey,
(35:27):
come on, they've made the playoffs every year. They're never
under five hundred. A lot of that is luck. I mean, really,
they went nine and two in one score games. You guys,
anybody who's gambled or followed the NFL knows you go
nine and two one year one score games, the next year,
you're more than likely going to go like three and seven.
Here's the kicker Pittsburgh for the last three years is
(35:48):
twenty nine to ten in one in one score games.
Twenty nine ten and one. That is unbelievably unsustainable. As such,
I believe they're falling off a cliff and I don't
think there's a damn thing Russell Wilson could do to
save them. Arthur Smith ain't guy. Our great producer here,
Greg Tooey, you know, Houston Texans fan, he's floating. I
think Mike Tomlin could be done after this year. I
was like, well, let's let's I'm not willing to go there.
(36:10):
I thought Tomlin would walk away after the season, but
he's not an extension. Weird. There's nothing great right now
about the Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't see any positives, and folks, yeah,
I kind of weep for Tomalin. They're gonna win five
or six games this year. I'll tell you that straight up.
I bet the alt win total under on the Steelers. Folks,
it's not gonna go well. I just I promise you that.
(36:32):
And I like Russell Wilson, but some people say he
looks like me. I'll leave that up to you. I
root for him. I think he's a borderline Hall of
Fame guy. Yes, I do, but it ain't it ain't working,
it's not happening.
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