September 2, 2024 • 51 mins
Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington, in for Colin Cowherd, talk about LSU’s loss to USC in the season opener, Nick Sirianni’s comments about playing in Brazil, and Mike Zimmer’s comments about his Vikings tenure.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Hello, Good morning to you, good afternoon to some of you.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Or should I say app? We are off and running
here on the college football weekend. We've got a lot
of college football that we want to touch on. But
we must go back to the most immediate, want, most
immediate result from the college football opening weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Which fingerprints going just say this.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
I know everybody wants to look at and say, well,
first full weekend of college football. I demand respect for
week zero and I will continue to pound that drum
every single year. All right, those schools deserve respect, and
do not throw shade at those Rainbow Warriors from Hawaii
who were in that game U C l A after
winning their first game.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's okay to lose the Rainbow Warriors these days, do
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
That's a great point. You know, it's more of a
societal thing. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You're right, they used to get it. They used to
get you hard to have it lot to a rainbow.
If you throw shade at.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Him, yo, you won't be allowed around anymore. So they're
in the driver's seat.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Actually, damn, USC USC LSU was a fantastic football game
last night in I think, and I don't know if
you felt the same way, but I was just under
the impression that with if you struggled with Kayla Williams,
what the hell were they going to look like without him,
(02:31):
and it actually looked like a team that was not
afraid to be physical.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They were physical, yeah, Like it was a real dog
fight against LSU.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And they ended up winning the game.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And they played defense, something that they obviously hadn't done
and quite some time. So the move at the defensive
coordinator's position obviously played dividends because it was defense that
allowed them to stay in the game and close enough
to be able to win a tight, tightly played game,
(03:03):
you know, against LSU. I didn't think that they had
I did not think that USC had it in them
to win Week one against the LSU.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I came away from the game that I have more
question marks on how good can LSU be? Should we
just chalk this up to this was a week one
deal where they were susceptible to a loss if they
played against a quality opponent. Because it's so early, we
(03:34):
saw so much sloppy play. I can ultimately say we
saw a lot of sloppy play in the Penn State
game against West Virginia. I mean, this is generally the
week when we talk about you know, scrimmages, you know
for the pros and you're able to get out there
and you're able to play, and the game doesn't mean anything,
(03:54):
whereas in college every game matters, and even with the
expanded place playoff, all these games still matter because you're
playing for bye weeks, you're you're playing for so many
different things, home field advantage, there's just so much at
stake this year in college football. But there are teams
that are accepting the challenge of creating a strength to schedule,
(04:18):
and you see matchups like this in Week one, which
I thought was it's amazing for college football. I mean,
I don't know what the ratings were on that game Zonus,
but I can imagine that it was pretty high.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, that would be a little bit difficult considering that,
you know, Disney and DirecTV decided, you know what, why
don't we go ahead and get into a little bit
of a pissing match over the contract, and so many
people weren't able to say we weren't able to see.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Usc LSU or the US open for that match.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, because they went on and uh and realized, oh,
I didn't know that our parents were fight, So that's nice.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So he walked in. I can certainly bet.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I can bet that people found ways to watch that game. Yeah,
I mean, I just maybe it hurt the ratings for
certain well, but I would also say this though, and
like not even just the rate, because who the.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hell knows what the number is going to end up being,
Because it was a great game and for those that
got to watch it, I mean, you got to see
a really fun game.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Definitely was a four quarter game. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But it's just it's funny when these cable providers and
these networks decide they're going to go ahead and drop
this on everybody, because like nobody was aware that there
was some sort of a dispute, or at least most
people weren't aware there was a dispute until they went
to go turn on that game last night and realized, oh,
I'm screwed. And it's funny how they pick this week
(05:51):
of all weeks to where they're like, okay, well, if
you don't want to work with us and you don't
like the numbers that were offering. You know, there's been
statements back and forth of whose fault it is, but
nonethe last it was a great game that maybe some
people didn't get to see because again, their parents were
fighting and Direct TV and Disney and.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Whatever other issues were going on.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
We're playing out before everybody else who was trying to
watch a football game, especially on a holiday weekend. I'll
say this with USC, I know everybody's celebrating it, and
they're looking at like man Miller Moss and the way
he performed was a big storyline.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I mean listened like.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
He was waited his turn, you know, got it, finally
got his opportunity. You know, we saw glimpses of it
in the in the bowl game last year. He comes
out and I mean he was he was making plays. Yeah,
he was delivering the ball, he was he was making
plays where he needed to make the plays. I mean,
it wasn't an offensive explosion. It wasn't like you know,
(06:51):
it was like the craziest of accomplishments by him or
this USC offense. But what I will say is they
look to come out and compete and be, you know,
be very competitive against a team that was a thirteenth
ranked team. Now, as we've heard from Q, sometimes you
(07:16):
look at these these these rankings and these ratings and
you create an expectation a standard for that team and
maybe preseason wise, looking at it from the recruiting aspect
of it. Who they've gotten out of the portal, what
they were able to do in offering scholarships to high
school players, how many players they have coming back. You know,
(07:39):
you look at LSU and you were anticipating at thirteen
that they should really be too much for USC team
at this point in the season, and they weren't. And
so for me, I look at it from the standpoint of, man,
does this mean that now where I felt as though
(08:01):
this is this is me coming into this season, the
inaugural year in the Big Ten. How competitive can these
PAC twelve teams be, these former PAC twelve teams be
in the Big Ten? I think I think USC had
to had the biggest game to prove to the onlookers
(08:24):
out there that the PAC twelve can indeed not only
integrate into the Big ten, but actually be competitive in
the Big Ten. I think that this sent shock waves
through the Big ten community because I don't know that
anyone was looking at USC as being one of those
teams that could possibly be a problem in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And look, because to your point, it is week one
and maybe we look back six weeks from now, after
USC's gotten ripped in half by a couple of big
ten teams and go, okay, well it was just that
one game and.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Maybe maybe unless you is that's why it just left
you feeling like there were question marks coming out of
that game. But you don't want to take away from
the value of what both of these teams are top
twenty five rated teams.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, and can you take that away from it?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And so with USC and if you just look at
their like keeping it locally out here in La, if
you just looked at USC and UCLA's schedule this year,
UCLA's got the harder schedule by far, It's not even close.
And you see USC, who's got some winnable games down
the stretch.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So this is a big win for them. It's one
of the.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Bigger games of the season for them. Get them off
and running. I think it maybe changes a discussion about
some narratives about USC football and what they look like
now as opposed to years past. So it feels like
it's a feel good moment for USC and Trojan fans
following the departure of Caleb Williams and now this team
looks to be off and running for the year twenty
twenty four. And then there's LSU and then Brian Kelly, who's.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Me and my family ying I'm winning.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, well he's well, they're done winning week one, that's
for sure. They're now oh and three winning in week
one oh and three to open up the season at
LSU for Brian Kelly, and this one, you could tell
kind of rubbed him the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Here was the LSU coach.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Afterwards, we're sitting here again.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
We're sitting here again talking about the same things about
not finishing when you have an opponent in a position
to put them away. But what we're doing on the
sideline is feeling like the game's over, and I'm so
angry about it that I got to do something about it.
(10:36):
I'm not doing a good enough job as a coach,
and I got to coach him better because it's unacceptable
for us not to have found a way to win
this football game.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Now that's a threat Jonas, Oh, yeah, he threatened all
every single player, every single coach, every single member of
that team that was on that sideline. Who it is
that he identified doing what it is that he just
said they were doing.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm trying to figure out which part he thought that
they all were pretending like they lost, because when they
got the ball back after.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
The no, they were pretending like they lost. They were
pretending like they won. Listen to him again, Play it
one more time. Listen to it again. Unless I heard
it wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
We're sitting here again. We're sitting here again talking about
the same things, about not finishing when you have an
opponent in a position to put them away. But what
we're doing on the sideline is feeling like the game's over.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, oh, I got so angry about it. So there
you go. Stop it right there, Stop it right there.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
He's basically saying, y'all, SOBS did just enough for us
to be in position to win. And I'm telling you
when they showed his face after USC got that last
that lass uh scoring drive to take the lead, his
(12:05):
face was so disgusted and so dejected. He did not
care about the camera seeing his face. He did not
care about any type of any fallout that would come.
His face told the entire story like you knew and
for what is worth, For what's worth, Jonas, maybe you needed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
To fix your your face and fix your.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Posture and and what you look like now granted there
was only like eight seconds left. There was only like
eight two seconds left. Yeah, it's over, but you still
as the leader. You gotta go down fighting here. Don't
have that trash face like you ate something some dudo
out of the trash. Fix your face, don't come up,
(12:56):
don't come up on on the camera street like.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It ain't like you gonna make a for everybody to
see in the nation. It ain't my fault. We lost.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
By the way, one of the great lines in a movie,
one of my favorite lines, Tom cruises and Vanilla's guy.
He's got this deformed face and some drunken a hole
walks behind him. Dude face.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That's what somebody needed to say.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's the meanest thing you could ever say to somebody
with a real problem. And if I were there and
like watching my hands in the bathroom, I would have
laughed so hard I would have grabbed myself. That is
just an unbelievably terrible thing to say to somebody. But
back on the subject of l s U, this is
what I wonder And look, everybody wants to you know,
week one, you all want to come out and have
(13:47):
a great performance. I remember Frank Reich when he was
in the NFL, he had a horrific Week one record,
Like it was like they lost. If I'm not mistaken,
he lost every single Week one that he coached in
the NFL, and that's Indianapolis. That's his short time in
Carolina before he realized this organization stinks and I'm just
(14:08):
going to go play golf f this. But I look
at it and I go I wonder if part of
Brian Kelly's frustration is like now there's like this narrative
building with him that if you don't have your team
ready for Week one, what does that say about you?
Because Frank Wright got really frustrated towards the end when
the conversation was always about you guys seem to start
(14:30):
off slow.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You're always losing Week one, and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Almost like it's a reflection of the coach, like, am
I not getting these guys prepared to play? Because this
is three years in a row they've come out Week
one and they've been close games. And to his point,
they were in control there and couldn't get a stop
down the stretch and Moss went up and down the
field on them at will, And I just wonder how
much of that is a reflection, and yeah, a team's
(14:55):
performance is all a coach's reflection. But I wonder if
it's again we're having this discussion about me not having
these guys ready for week one.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I mean, ultimately, that's what it's going to come down
to in the annals, right, is that Brian Kelly is
not able to get them done or get it done
that way, have them ready for week one. Now, again,
it leaves a lot of question marks for both teams.
How good is USC, how good is LSU? If I'm LSU,
(15:24):
it could work in your favor even though you're behind
the eight ball immediately out the gate, it could work
to your advantage just by pure circumstance of this being
a part of an extended and a larger playoff pool.
But make no mistake about it, the amount of pressure
(15:48):
and intensity of possible fallout on losing a Week one
game and you're at a major Power five school an
SEC school, that's not a good look for your coach.
I mean, we have conversations about Ryan Day or James Franklin,
who lose one game. One game. We're talking about one game.
(16:14):
They might lose one game, and we're talking about they're
on the hot seat to get fired if they can't
win this one game. So, when you're talking about a
team like LSU that has the type of tradition connected
to them, they have national titles, they've had Nick Saban,
they've had great coaches. Les Miles came in there and
(16:34):
drop one on them. You're looking at a guy who
is the winningest coach in Notre Dame history. And you
take on this job where the resources are supposed to
be so vast for you to be able to build
the team that you want to have.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You've been there long enough to do this.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Why are you not coming out and dominating in LSU
fashion and form? And don't give me the Doodoo face
like it's somebody else's fault. Don't try to don't try
to deflect it by what you're saying in the postgame
meeting for self preservation.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He really he does have a good Dodo face, though
it's really good.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Married at it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Oh man, it was such a disgusted look. It's like, man,
who did it? Like who messed this up? And what
happened to the Cajun accent?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Way after you?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And when you got one foot out the door because
they forcing you out. That Cajun accent has to go
because you might not be able to get another good job,
a job interview if you go to one of the
schools that's going to hire you. When when they kick
your ass up out of LSU.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean, hey, that's why I'll give True Detective.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
The first season, those guys carried that accent all those
other characters all the way through the year.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Brian Kelly lost it after like an hour and a half.
Hey man, they send him on his way from LSU.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
How's sound with his family that things want to turn
into Yes, me and my family would like to vacate
the premises of Baton Rouge. We are now not enjoying
our stay here as guest of you pleasant people that
have not been very pleasant to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Us, like get us to a golf course, johnson Ley said.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Thought I was a football coach, but me and my
family thought otherwise. It's time for us to go somewhere else.
Forget y'all, y'all Caju in accents. Maybe I can't communicate
with y'all clearly enough to get the game planned, and
I've been trying to give y'all.
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Speaker 3 (20:00):
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Speaker 2 (20:01):
All right, it is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin coming up in,
we'll call it. About twenty minutes from now, you're going
to hear some unfortunate news for one player in the NFL.
Unfortunate but fortunate. We've got the details on that for
you again, about twenty minutes from now, So when the
NFL announced that they were because I don't know if
(20:24):
anybody's aware this, the season kicks off later on this week.
So we've got Thursday night you've got the Chiefs and
you've got the Ravens that'll kick off the year, and
then Friday you've got the game in Brazil, which look
we talked about on our show, Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe, which you can hear weekday morning, six
am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Just a little earlier than this show, a little.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Bit earlier myself, LeVar, and he was that guy's name,
Brady Quinn. Tho oh yeah, swinging d Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The big noon kickoff show. Damn batter up.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But you can hear us, and we talked out when
this game was announced, Like, man, who wouldn't want to
go to Brazil? Like I mean for an NFL game? Like,
let's like sign us up, we'll go there, we'll work remote,
we'll do it from you know, we'd like to pick
the establishment to do it from the But the point
is get over to Brazil. That'd be a good time.
Who wouldn't want to be a part of it? Well,
apparently the Philadelphia Eagles don't want to be a part
(21:19):
of it. Like that's a problem. Players are not happy
about it. They are not excited at all. Now, maybe
this is all just a front so that they're better
has you know, aren't worried about them going over to
Brazil and not make it a back.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I don't think it's a front, and I think it's
a very serious approach because their uniforms kind of tell
you and confirm that that they're not taking this this
whole thing lightly in terms of what the possibilities of
what could play out in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Tell you what, though I'd love to go play in Brazil.
You don't know why, Well, because my eyes work, that's why. Okay,
And that dog hunts, if you know what I mean.
You know the point is they're going to be under
such such watch bro. I mean, listen, there's there's always
going to be dudes that's going to do what they're
going to do and be who they're going to be.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I mean, there's I'm under service. I wonder what I
wonder what the over under is going to be on
dudes that get caught up like where they got robbed
or did something that got them sent home from the trip.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I wonder what the over under we're fell in love again?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You know, like, hey, tell the wife and kids, I
ain't never coming back and never coming home. Where's mom at?
Put mom on the phone the baby. Yeah, I ain't
never coming back.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like postcard from South Paulo And next thing you know,
you know, Christmas got cheaper.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But the point is, whatever happened to that one player
that played for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You've never seen for or heard from them again, because
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
He's like big into jiu jitsu now for some reason,
do you know what happened love soccer?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He's really been to it. He may revisit the NFL,
just in a different capacity.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So so the Eagles are not happy about it. Nick
Sirianni the coach of the Eagles, spoke with reporters about
you know how he's trying to get his team focused
and prepared and ready and with a different mindset as
they approach Friday's game.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
We're going there to play and win a win a
football game. That's our that's our goal. That's our you know,
our only goal as we go down there. And so
you know, it's just putting, it's just getting everybody in
the right mindset of what you want, what you need
to be when you go down there. It's like, uh,
you can control the things that you can control. Like,
(23:48):
we're going to Brazil to play. That's that's what it is.
And we're excited about that. We're excited about the opportunity
to to play in a neutral site, knowing that you
know that and have a different, slightly different schedule of
things that happen.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean, they can try and pretty this up all
they want, and well, listen, logistically, you know, to start
off the year, it makes more sense, you've got more
travel time, et cetera, et cetera. It never makes any sense.
That's that's kind of a crap way to start off
the year.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It never makes any sense to have to travel abroad,
travel far to play, especially if you're playing a game
that counts, and it just it just is what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Like.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Is that a great play by the NFL to try
to expand span the game, expand the borders. Sure it
is introduce it to a different market. Sure, but is
it a hassle for the the franchise.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Why not do a preseason game.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
That's it makes more sense. I remember when we went
to Osaka, Japan. It was a preseason game. It was
a preseason game. The game didn't count, make it more
of an exhibition. But to play games, meaningful games that
that count torture record. I don't know, And I feel
like lately I've been more of a critic of the
(25:04):
decisions that I see coming from the league offices. I
don't want to come across as I'm a critic because
I'm a tremendous supporter of the Shield and what they represent,
what they do in a lot of ways. But I
wouldn't be doing my job correctly if I didn't say
the things that I felt when I felt them when
I'm saying them, And in this moment, I just feel
(25:26):
like there's certain things that you're talking about two really
really good franchises with really really strong fan bases. And
I know you're looking at from the standpoint like they'll
travel and stuff like that, but you really just cheat
at one of these teams out of having a home
game and the fans the onlookers a lot of times,
(25:47):
and I think we learned this during COVID. The venues
matter for the for the creation of the show itself,
because when you don't have that COVID showed us, if
you don't have fans in thiss.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And you don't have that noise, and you don't have the.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Pageantry connected to these games, it just doesn't It's like
watching a movie with no music. It's like the storyline
of it, the flow of it is just all messed up.
The energy of it is kind of messed up. So
to me, what's the energy going to look like in
sal Polo? What's that what's that stadium really going to
(26:26):
feel like to to the onlookers and to the players
specifically the players, Like, I know, you're going to draw
attention from your fans that have traveled there, but again,
there's still nothing like one of those teams getting to
say we're in Lambeau or we're at the link and
this is our season opener. Like there's something to be
(26:47):
said about that being in a neutral place in a
foreign country. I just don't think that that's going to hit.
It's not going to hit that way.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Like if you did a preseason game, like and this
is no disrespect to you know, the people listen in
Brazil on the iHeartRadio app, but if you did a
preseason game, like they don't get the NFL, like it
doesn't go there to play games, So you could present
them a preseason game and it'd be real fine, Like
nobody's going to be like I'm not going to go
(27:15):
see the Eagles and Packers. It's like it's a preseason game. Like, no,
they're going to go because there's an NFL game there,
Like you're gonna draw a crowd.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You probably have to say there's going to be a
relevant soccer exhibition match at halftime of the game to
damn to get the local population to want to go. Yeah,
I mean they be like there's a game. What type
of game? Football? A soccer game?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
No? No, like football, like soccer game?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
No, like football, you know, like football, Like, oh it's
a soccer game? Like no, No, it's like that game
they play in America.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, like when people get tackled, they really get tackled.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like you've never seen this before. Like let me go
on YouTube and show you, like, look, this is what
it is. This is what's coming here.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But they would show up, like if you did a
preseason game, they would like they would and also as
it's a spectacle, yes right, like and plus I would
venture to guess in the middle of training camp for
a preseason game, these players would be way.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
More open to go into Brazil.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I'm sure because it doesn't matter. Yes, but this game matters.
You have to be doaled in. That means that the
way that they're going to monitor you is going to
be dowed in.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
This is a game. This is a game situation. This
is a work trip.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
You're not there as preseason you know, we can choose
some flower seats and send ball boys over to talk
to people in the stands for for you, Like, this
isn't that type of Some of them still might do
it anyway, but this isn't not supposed to be that
type of trip.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
This is a real trip.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
If you did so, I'm not putting my phone number
and I'm not saying that this is what players do
or anything. But I'm not putting my phone number are
on like a game pair of worn gloves and like
sending them over to you know, a fan in the
in the stands that are are a worthy recipient of
your your game worn gloves that have your phone number,
(29:13):
your you know, your what's that called?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What's that your WhatsApp? You know you don't.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
You don't put your WhatsApp information on that hand that
you used for the game, that glove you would do that. No,
you don't do that, especially when it's a real game
that matters and that itccounts. Like you don't put you know,
your your WhatsApp on like you know a game warn say,
I don't know a towel that you wore, like streaming towel,
(29:41):
make sure your hands are dry and stuff like that.
You know, just don't do that. And you don't give
it to the ball boy or to one of the
guys that handle the equipment or the video the visual
things that you use. You just do not incorporate them
into being able to disseminate those those gifts to the fans.
(30:02):
You know, your give back to the community to expand
you know the fandom in Brazil. Yeah, you just you
know that in regular season get I wouldn't do it,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Now I wonder if I would.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I definitely would not partake in that again again again,
So what uh?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
No, only one time.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Here's here's what I'm fascinated to see though, because like
Major League Baseball did this to where they sent the
Dodgers and the Padres over to Japan to open up
the air. But what they did was they sent him
over for like a two game series and they came
back and they concluded spring training. They didn't send him
over and then all right, games three and four next up,
and you guys just got to go play. I'm fascinated
(30:51):
to see how green Bay and Philly doing Week two,
Like I'd love to see what the hangover effect is
because green Bay's at home against Indianapolis and Philly at least,
and that's on a Sunday. In Week two, Philly at
least gets an extra day they've gotten Monday and night
against the Falcons at home. I'm really curious to see
how they look coming off this trip to Brazil, because
(31:13):
I know the NFL wants money and they want all
this stuff. I can't imagine if this goes poorly and
these teams really struggle after the fact and they've got
to start off the year like this, that the NFL
goes down this road again, like maybe some adjustments, but
I just think a preseason game week makes way much
more sense.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
And there for a reason. And now granted they haven't
been back to Osaka, Japan. I think you tried to
integrate and penetrate a market, and if it works, then
you build on that. If it doesn't work, then you tried,
what's the next market up, which is the next one
that we could try to integrate in that may be receptive,
(31:54):
more receptive, more of a growth opportunity, because again I
think all of the all of the plans that we're
saying take place, with the equity groups and different things
like that, being able to buy into franchises and stuff
like that, they're clearly trying to create new money and
(32:14):
more revenue opportunities, more more business that increases the bottom
line for the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
There's also this as well too. The president of Brazil
has banned the use of X out there, so like
anybody you know, like for us watching on some can
affect us for us watching on television. I mean, unless
you know Direct TV and you know, somebody else gets
into a pissing match again and they just shut off
all the TVs for us to watch, like they did
last night. But apparently they've banned X because they want
(32:46):
Elon Musk to adjust free speech rules, and he's saying, no,
that's the foundation of what we do here.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's free speech.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And so anybody going to cover the game cannot use
X to provide updates. So we'll get to watch all
the same. But then anybody cover and I guess if
you use a VPN to try and access it, you're
gonna get fined almost nine thousand dollars if you try
and go on X.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
So if you know what, they're going to arrest you
if you use it if you don't pay the fine.
I no, no, I'm not ever coming back to this place.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So your fine. I'll tell you this much. They might
not let you fly up out of there, though.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Anybody anybody going over there was looking for, you know,
an out as to why maybe it came back late.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
There's you're out. I tried listen, honey, I don't have
to tell you. I ended up extra time.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I mean, I was trying to take a picture of this,
I say, e bowl and post it to X. Next thing,
you know, I'm in cuffs nine thousand dollars and there's like.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Three months I had to stay here for like and
you know what, they gave me six months community service
and they said I couldn't leave until I service at
least six months of community.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And listen, I don't know how this lipsticks staying got
on my jeans. Okay, I can't explain that. You gotta
take it up with the proper author plarties here. So
there you go. There's you're out for anything. Cleaning up
the good streets of South Plow.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What we do it is, uh, somebody stumbled and was
thanking me and it ended up being some lipstick on
the side of my leg.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Oh man.
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You know.
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I took all mammal from this song.
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By the way, did you I did lift my shirt
up all mammal because I used to get padded down
at the airports all the time. I used to walk
through there and they'd be like, oh my gosh, we've
got to pad them down. I lift my shirt up
and there was all mammal was born.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
I never had that problem. Yeah, because they touched me.
I'd be looking at their faces. It's almost like they
was touching like a silverback gorilla or something like that.
I'm like, no, man, you know, it's just me. Which
a gorilla is all mammal too, by the way, King
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Speaker 3 (36:21):
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Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's just about twenty minutes from now. So I would
like to say this Mike Zimmer, and you know, we
can have the discussion following the quotes that we read
off about what's that going to look like and how's
that going to go in Dallas with your guy Micah
Parsons and company now that he's the defensive coordinator there.
But he did have some thoughts and some comments. Recently,
(36:43):
he did an interview with Mark Craig of the Minneapolis
Star Tribune and but listen, this is why he gotta
love Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
He is old.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
School, going to tell it how it is and does
not care who it offends. So apparently he and former
Vikings GM Rick Spielman, which if I'm not mistaken, you
did the draft show here at FSR Rick.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Spielman, and I've heard in Vegas. I heard he's a
good guy. It is a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So so apparently Mike Zimmer tells this story that quote
I walk in before the draft and Rick is watching.
This is the twenty twenty one draft, So this is,
you know, basically where you know things started to take
go sideway. So I walk in before the draft and
Rick is watching quarterback interviews from the combine. He hadn't
(37:31):
told me anything. Normally, he always kept me abreast of everything,
and he and I were always good, he said the
first round, Rick tried to trade up for Justin Fields.
So that was the draft in twenty twenty one where
Justin Field ended ended up going to the Bears, and
he saw all those quarterbacks get picked. Apparently he wanted
to move up for Justin Fields. But Zimmer says, quote,
(37:55):
Fields hasn't done anything. He's a very dangerous runner. You know,
he's trying to get better as a pastor. But later
on the Vikings went on to select Kellen Mund, and
Mike Zimmer said, when he picked Mund, I just walked
out of the room. I left the building. I didn't
even talk to him on the phone. The next day
I saw I saw Rix Bielman, and I said, and
(38:18):
you said to me, are you mad at me?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Zimmer told him.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I said, yeah, I think you took four backups when
we had guys there I thought were starters. From that
time on, it just kind of got worse between us.
And I'm not saying nothing was my fault. I'm sure
there were plenty of things that were my fault. Then
he also talked about how he was critical of Kellen Mund,
where he just did not want to give him any
playing time. I had seen enough of him in practice,
(38:43):
And he went on to say people made a big
deal out of me, saying that he only took three snaps.
I didn't need to see more of him. I saw
him every day of practice. Maybe I was omnissent, omniscent
or something. But he played three NFL snaps and two
were bad. So he unloaded on the former GM former
players that were there Flores. He also he also talked
(39:07):
about this is my favorite after he got fired. He
said that they came in and asked him, do you
want to address the team? He said, hell no, they
got me fired. He said, I haven't watched one Minnesota
game since they fired me. He's all, I guess you
could say I hold grudges. There was also the exchange
(39:28):
that he had with Kirk Cousins on the sideline. He
was upset at Paul Allen, the play by play guy,
for saying that Zimmer snapped when it looked like he
did where Kirk Cousins went up to him and shook
him and Zimmer grabbed him afterwards like it did not
end well in Minnesota for Mike Zimmer. But I guess
my question to you is, if that's who Mike Zimmer is,
(39:51):
and maybe that doesn't land well with a lot of
people in today's football climate, how the hell is that
going to land in Dallas, where, look, Mike McCarthy has said,
you know, Zimmer is gonna be blunt and he's gonna
tell it how it is. And I think today's game
needs more of that. But is there a place for
that when you've already got incidents that have taken place
(40:13):
as season and comments that have come out where Micah
Parsons and Mike Zimmer haven't necessarily seen eye to eye
on some things. Mike Zimmer's, you know, discussed potentially maybe
not being happy with participation of some players there and
considering what they had in Dan Quinn. Maybe under the radar.
(40:33):
That's the dynamic to watch for this upcoming season because
he's a great coach.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I just wonder how that lands today.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I don't know Mike Zimmer, so I can't really speak
to it intelligently as to how that's hitting with the
Dallas Cowboys. What I can say is.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Is that and.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Earlier days, days, prior to now, toxic coaches, there were
plenty there, dime a dozen. I mean, they're just that's
just you find them pretty pretty simply. These days, players
have more of a voice, should I say, venture to
(41:16):
say they have more rights, which kind of sounds funny
because players didn't have no rights. Do it the coach's way,
or get the hell out of here, like I I
send you back home. I gave you this scholarship. I'll
take the scholarship. Do it the way I want it done,
or you get the hell up out of here. That's
how it used to be. Nowadays, it's like coaches have
(41:36):
to be very, very careful and how they manage the
relationships with their players, because players, for one, can get
you fired for one, for two, I guess you could
say they could get you fired. First way they could
get you fired is they can complain about you and
get you up out of there. It turns into a thing.
(41:58):
Maybe it turns into a thing with the Maybe it
turns into a thing with the owners. Whatever it may be,
its turned into a thing that gets you out of there.
Second wave players can get you up out of there
is by their lack of.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Performance.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
If you're running a defense and that defense is not
living up to the expectation that they're supposed to live
up to, especially if you have a star Wars and
a guy like a Michael Parsons, if he's not having
a good year one hundred percent, the blame is going
to go towards the defensive coordinator because he's already had
monster years since he's been in the league. So what
(42:36):
else could it be? Under Dan Quinn's watchful lie, he
has thrived. You get the moment he goes away and
you bring in this new coach. Why is Michael parsons
or why is this defense not playing as well as
they did under Dan Quinn, And so you know what
they're capable of doing, you know what the comp is
and that puts a lot of pressure on the incumbent
(42:58):
of that defense, and that's going to be no different
for Mike Zimmer. So I just wonder if Mike Zimmer
has any type of finesse or understanding of the scenario
that he's in right now. You're not the head coach,
so you really don't have a voice like you did
in Minnesota. You do not have the power of voice
and the power of hand to dictate things. You are,
(43:21):
in essence a position coach and you've been given a
coordinator's job, which is great, but nonetheless you're really a
position coach and you need to stay in your place
and let the head coach do what it is that
he's going to do. So I say that to say,
with all of the personality quirks or whatever it is
(43:41):
that Zimmer brings to the table, he had better be
very very careful and understanding that there has he ever.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Coached for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, he was an assistant for a long time, Okay,
so he knows the Jones family, so.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That may be the only thing that's in favor of him.
That's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
If if he is trying to leverage this to possibly
undercut McCarthy and maybe possibly end up being a head
coach there, he had better play as cards right, and
burning bridges with players is not the proper way to
get the way you're trying to go to in twenty
twenty four, I.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Mean, maybe this is post Vikings era. And he just said,
you know what, I'm just gonna be honest because i
have no ties left to the organization. So I'll just
call out the GM, I'll call out one of our quarterbacks.
I'll call out the you know, play by play guy
for questioning me on that. Like what I mean, you
could look at it like that, or I also look
at it like this. It's clearly somebody who doesn't hide
(44:39):
his frustrations. Well, and if you saw the way that
interaction happened with Kirk Cousins, where Kirk Cousins went and
shook him and.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
He turned grabbed him like he was like like we're
going to get this thing.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Look they were going to throw down, like like, let's
let's go ahead and handle this you don't grab on
me like that.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
And he had made comments about Cousins public, and so
it gave the impression that, like, yeah, like that, that
he didn't like him, And I just I just wonder
at this point in his career with maybe feeling comfortable
because his connection to the Cowboys is the most important one,
which is the owner. If potentially there's going to be
(45:17):
a line in the sand and there's going to be
a point where Jerry Jones or somebody's gonna have to
step in and be like, hey, dude, like Micah Parsons
is one of the best players in the league. We
got to try and make this work. And Mike Zimmer
sounds like the type of guy who will go public
with criticism of players and not be shy about it.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Well, it sounds like the type of guy that can
do what happens so many times, which is poison the
well between a player and an organization. And that's not
that's not something that's new. It's something that happens when
you have a guy that comes in and you didn't
you didn't draft him, he's not your guy, and you're
(45:57):
going to treat things a certain type of way. And
if that's how he's going to be, and he's going
to treat things a certain type of way. And Michael
Parsons is going to be how he's going to be
and treat things a certain type of way. Somewhere, you know,
the rubber meets the road, and then now it's who
who are you valuing more? You know, And that's that's
a that's unfortunate. A lot of times, a lot of
(46:19):
times they'll they'll side with with the coach. They'll side
with the coach, and they try to figure it out
as to how you're going to go about doing that. Now,
I think this might be a tremendously unique situation there.
I do not believe that they're going to side with
the coach. But with that being said, haven't there been
like lightweight reports that have come out that players aren't
(46:40):
happy with Michael Parsons or some of the people around
there just aren't happy with Michael Parsons. Like so you
start having propaganda hit hit the public and hit the media,
and now all of a sudden, Michael pro Michael Parsons
is a problem to the locker.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Room where he's like the cooker who was like critical
of his podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Or something like that.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I mean, the dude is now like moving into the
business world. I mean, he's the CEO or whatever it
is of a Bleacher report, arm media ARM. He's he's
expanding his brand, He's doing a lot of things. So
I don't know if it's because of envy or hate
or jealousy that that maybe teammates or that these things
(47:20):
are are kind of coming out of Dallas in reports
of him. But the reality of it is, until you
can show me that he is a cancer to your
team in the locker room and on the field, his
productivity is always going to speak louder than what any
rumor ever could. And so now that the idea of him,
(47:41):
the rumor circulating that him and Mike Mike Zimmer don't
don't talk that much, having said more than three or
four words to one another, that that that reflects the coach,
That does not reflect the player. That has to fall
at the feet of the coach, and less it gets
to a point where you can clearly say that this
(48:04):
is something that the player is intentionally doing and it's
undermining the coach and it's undermining this unit. And I
haven't heard any reports of that, have you. I haven't
heard any reports of that.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I mean, you know what's wild about the whole thing
is this just started to become normalized now. But you know,
there's a lot of players careers who never got to
be what they could have been, or never even got
off the ground because they got drafted to an organization
that tried to change who they were and what they
did great when they drafted all the time. But nowadays
(48:37):
it's almost like it, especially at to say the quarterback position,
where it's like, if you draft a guy he has
success in college, build around what he does great and
try and improve the other aspects of a common sense
But there were there was a time where it wasn't
common sense where you had and these people are getting
higher yes jobs, it's like, oh, like the qualifications of
(48:58):
being a hey coach, Like you're sitting out here knowing
the stuff you're talking about it. This is the part
that blows my mind, though, is if the player has success,
everybody benefits. Like if Micah Parsons is great, it's going
to reflect well.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
On Mike Zimmer. But the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Organization Michah Parsons is clearly better and great because of
Mike Zimmer. Then Mike Zimmer gets that credit, okay, and
that's the ego that a lot of these coaches be
walking around with. But he could very easily also get
the credit just by hey listen. Micah Parsons went to
another level, like I would be excited about the opportunity
to coach a guy like that. Belichick one. That's the
(49:39):
famous story about when he coached Lawrence Taylor with the Giants.
Laurence Belichick went to Parcels and said, hey, listen. Lt
showed up late to a meeting, and Parcels said to him,
why do you start the meeting without him?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Like it's like he's a great player, build around what
he does. Belichick learned that he became.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
A better coach on a him and his coach was
the coach's name that he was with, Larry Brown.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Larry Brown. Yeah, I just watched that and it was
a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
I mean, you're going there's a chance, Like I always say,
the most the most amazing players, more often than not,
especially on defense side of the ball, they're touched like
they're touched, they they're touched with something, and they're not
always going to be the most easiest people to deal with.
And you have to understand that. I just I think
(50:27):
sometimes we take for granted that coaches lack humility and
they need it. And in some cases, I think that
some of the biggest ego maniacs you will run into
are coaches, and we give them a pass because we
be so focused in on on the players.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
But these coaches be having egos.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Man they be having alter egos, super egos.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You name it. Like they be having egos.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Just look at the way they be dressing sometimes, or
look at the way they handle things sometimes, the way
they're hair is done, the way the way they talk
to the media, the way they do things. Like coaches
are some of the most egotistically driven people within the game,
within the sport, and that just is a part of it.
So you're sometimes you're going to have egos collide because
(51:18):
these guys are making money now, the players are making money,
the coaches are making money, and you have somebody who's
going to command more money in a Micah Parsons, and
you run into a situation with him. You're supposed to
make that ass work out. You're not supposed to be
a problem or a thorn in the side of that
athlete because you feel like you're teaching him a lesson.
(51:39):
That's a grown ass man playing in the National Football League.
Figure out how to make that work.
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we must go back to the most immediate, want, most
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first full weekend of college football. I demand respect for
week zero and I will continue to pound that drum
every single year. All right, those schools deserve respect, and
do not throw shade at those Rainbow Warriors from Hawaii
who were in that game U C l A after
winning their first game.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
It's okay to lose the Rainbow Warriors these days, do
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
That's a great point. You know, it's more of a
societal thing. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
You're right, they used to get it. They used to
get you hard to have it lot to a rainbow.
If you throw shade at.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Him, yo, you won't be allowed around anymore. So they're
in the driver's seat.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Actually, damn, USC USC LSU was a fantastic football game
last night in I think, and I don't know if
you felt the same way, but I was just under
the impression that with if you struggled with Kayla Williams,
what the hell were they going to look like without him,
(02:31):
and it actually looked like a team that was not
afraid to be physical.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
They were physical, yeah, Like it was a real dog
fight against LSU.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And they ended up winning the game.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And they played defense, something that they obviously hadn't done
and quite some time. So the move at the defensive
coordinator's position obviously played dividends because it was defense that
allowed them to stay in the game and close enough
to be able to win a tight, tightly played game,
(03:03):
you know, against LSU. I didn't think that they had
I did not think that USC had it in them
to win Week one against the LSU.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
I came away from the game that I have more
question marks on how good can LSU be? Should we
just chalk this up to this was a week one
deal where they were susceptible to a loss if they
played against a quality opponent. Because it's so early, we
(03:34):
saw so much sloppy play. I can ultimately say we
saw a lot of sloppy play in the Penn State
game against West Virginia. I mean, this is generally the
week when we talk about you know, scrimmages, you know
for the pros and you're able to get out there
and you're able to play, and the game doesn't mean anything,
(03:54):
whereas in college every game matters, and even with the
expanded place playoff, all these games still matter because you're
playing for bye weeks, you're you're playing for so many
different things, home field advantage, there's just so much at
stake this year in college football. But there are teams
that are accepting the challenge of creating a strength to schedule,
(04:18):
and you see matchups like this in Week one, which
I thought was it's amazing for college football. I mean,
I don't know what the ratings were on that game Zonus,
but I can imagine that it was pretty high.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Well, that would be a little bit difficult considering that,
you know, Disney and DirecTV decided, you know what, why
don't we go ahead and get into a little bit
of a pissing match over the contract, and so many
people weren't able to say we weren't able to see.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Usc LSU or the US open for that match.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, because they went on and uh and realized, oh,
I didn't know that our parents were fight, So that's nice.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
So he walked in. I can certainly bet.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I can bet that people found ways to watch that game. Yeah,
I mean, I just maybe it hurt the ratings for
certain well, but I would also say this though, and
like not even just the rate, because who the.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hell knows what the number is going to end up being,
Because it was a great game and for those that
got to watch it, I mean, you got to see
a really fun game.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Definitely was a four quarter game. Hell yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
But it's just it's funny when these cable providers and
these networks decide they're going to go ahead and drop
this on everybody, because like nobody was aware that there
was some sort of a dispute, or at least most
people weren't aware there was a dispute until they went
to go turn on that game last night and realized, oh,
I'm screwed. And it's funny how they pick this week
(05:51):
of all weeks to where they're like, okay, well, if
you don't want to work with us and you don't
like the numbers that were offering. You know, there's been
statements back and forth of whose fault it is, but
nonethe last it was a great game that maybe some
people didn't get to see because again, their parents were
fighting and Direct TV and Disney and.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Whatever other issues were going on.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
We're playing out before everybody else who was trying to
watch a football game, especially on a holiday weekend. I'll
say this with USC, I know everybody's celebrating it, and
they're looking at like man Miller Moss and the way
he performed was a big storyline.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I mean listened like.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
He was waited his turn, you know, got it, finally
got his opportunity. You know, we saw glimpses of it
in the in the bowl game last year. He comes
out and I mean he was he was making plays. Yeah,
he was delivering the ball, he was he was making
plays where he needed to make the plays. I mean,
it wasn't an offensive explosion. It wasn't like you know,
(06:51):
it was like the craziest of accomplishments by him or
this USC offense. But what I will say is they
look to come out and compete and be, you know,
be very competitive against a team that was a thirteenth
ranked team. Now, as we've heard from Q, sometimes you
(07:16):
look at these these these rankings and these ratings and
you create an expectation a standard for that team and
maybe preseason wise, looking at it from the recruiting aspect
of it. Who they've gotten out of the portal, what
they were able to do in offering scholarships to high
school players, how many players they have coming back. You know,
(07:39):
you look at LSU and you were anticipating at thirteen
that they should really be too much for USC team
at this point in the season, and they weren't. And
so for me, I look at it from the standpoint of, man,
does this mean that now where I felt as though
(08:01):
this is this is me coming into this season, the
inaugural year in the Big Ten. How competitive can these
PAC twelve teams be, these former PAC twelve teams be
in the Big Ten? I think I think USC had
to had the biggest game to prove to the onlookers
(08:24):
out there that the PAC twelve can indeed not only
integrate into the Big ten, but actually be competitive in
the Big Ten. I think that this sent shock waves
through the Big ten community because I don't know that
anyone was looking at USC as being one of those
teams that could possibly be a problem in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
And look, because to your point, it is week one
and maybe we look back six weeks from now, after
USC's gotten ripped in half by a couple of big
ten teams and go, okay, well it was just that
one game and.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Maybe maybe unless you is that's why it just left
you feeling like there were question marks coming out of
that game. But you don't want to take away from
the value of what both of these teams are top
twenty five rated teams.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, and can you take that away from it?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And so with USC and if you just look at
their like keeping it locally out here in La, if
you just looked at USC and UCLA's schedule this year,
UCLA's got the harder schedule by far, It's not even close.
And you see USC, who's got some winnable games down
the stretch.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
So this is a big win for them. It's one
of the.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Bigger games of the season for them. Get them off
and running. I think it maybe changes a discussion about
some narratives about USC football and what they look like
now as opposed to years past. So it feels like
it's a feel good moment for USC and Trojan fans
following the departure of Caleb Williams and now this team
looks to be off and running for the year twenty
twenty four. And then there's LSU and then Brian Kelly, who's.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Me and my family ying I'm winning.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, well he's well, they're done winning week one, that's
for sure. They're now oh and three winning in week
one oh and three to open up the season at
LSU for Brian Kelly, and this one, you could tell
kind of rubbed him the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Here was the LSU coach.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Afterwards, we're sitting here again.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
We're sitting here again talking about the same things about
not finishing when you have an opponent in a position
to put them away. But what we're doing on the
sideline is feeling like the game's over, and I'm so
angry about it that I got to do something about it.
(10:36):
I'm not doing a good enough job as a coach,
and I got to coach him better because it's unacceptable
for us not to have found a way to win
this football game.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
It's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Now that's a threat Jonas, Oh, yeah, he threatened all
every single player, every single coach, every single member of
that team that was on that sideline. Who it is
that he identified doing what it is that he just
said they were doing.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You're in trouble.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I'm trying to figure out which part he thought that
they all were pretending like they lost, because when they
got the ball back after.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
The no, they were pretending like they lost. They were
pretending like they won. Listen to him again, Play it
one more time. Listen to it again. Unless I heard
it wrong.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
We're sitting here again. We're sitting here again talking about
the same things, about not finishing when you have an
opponent in a position to put them away. But what
we're doing on the sideline is feeling like the game's over.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, oh, I got so angry about it. So there
you go. Stop it right there, Stop it right there.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
He's basically saying, y'all, SOBS did just enough for us
to be in position to win. And I'm telling you
when they showed his face after USC got that last
that lass uh scoring drive to take the lead, his
(12:05):
face was so disgusted and so dejected. He did not
care about the camera seeing his face. He did not
care about any type of any fallout that would come.
His face told the entire story like you knew and
for what is worth, For what's worth, Jonas, maybe you needed.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
To fix your your face and fix your.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Posture and and what you look like now granted there
was only like eight seconds left. There was only like
eight two seconds left. Yeah, it's over, but you still
as the leader. You gotta go down fighting here. Don't
have that trash face like you ate something some dudo
out of the trash. Fix your face, don't come up,
(12:56):
don't come up on on the camera street like.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It ain't like you gonna make a for everybody to
see in the nation. It ain't my fault. We lost.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
By the way, one of the great lines in a movie,
one of my favorite lines, Tom cruises and Vanilla's guy.
He's got this deformed face and some drunken a hole
walks behind him. Dude face.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
That's what somebody needed to say.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's the meanest thing you could ever say to somebody
with a real problem. And if I were there and
like watching my hands in the bathroom, I would have
laughed so hard I would have grabbed myself. That is
just an unbelievably terrible thing to say to somebody. But
back on the subject of l s U, this is
what I wonder And look, everybody wants to you know,
week one, you all want to come out and have
(13:47):
a great performance. I remember Frank Reich when he was
in the NFL, he had a horrific Week one record,
Like it was like they lost. If I'm not mistaken,
he lost every single Week one that he coached in
the NFL, and that's Indianapolis. That's his short time in
Carolina before he realized this organization stinks and I'm just
(14:08):
going to go play golf f this. But I look
at it and I go I wonder if part of
Brian Kelly's frustration is like now there's like this narrative
building with him that if you don't have your team
ready for Week one, what does that say about you?
Because Frank Wright got really frustrated towards the end when
the conversation was always about you guys seem to start
(14:30):
off slow.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
You're always losing Week one, and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Almost like it's a reflection of the coach, like, am
I not getting these guys prepared to play? Because this
is three years in a row they've come out Week
one and they've been close games. And to his point,
they were in control there and couldn't get a stop
down the stretch and Moss went up and down the
field on them at will, And I just wonder how
much of that is a reflection, and yeah, a team's
(14:55):
performance is all a coach's reflection. But I wonder if
it's again we're having this discussion about me not having
these guys ready for week one.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
I mean, ultimately, that's what it's going to come down
to in the annals, right, is that Brian Kelly is
not able to get them done or get it done
that way, have them ready for week one. Now, again,
it leaves a lot of question marks for both teams.
How good is USC, how good is LSU? If I'm LSU,
(15:24):
it could work in your favor even though you're behind
the eight ball immediately out the gate, it could work
to your advantage just by pure circumstance of this being
a part of an extended and a larger playoff pool.
But make no mistake about it, the amount of pressure
(15:48):
and intensity of possible fallout on losing a Week one
game and you're at a major Power five school an
SEC school, that's not a good look for your coach.
I mean, we have conversations about Ryan Day or James Franklin,
who lose one game. One game. We're talking about one game.
(16:14):
They might lose one game, and we're talking about they're
on the hot seat to get fired if they can't
win this one game. So, when you're talking about a
team like LSU that has the type of tradition connected
to them, they have national titles, they've had Nick Saban,
they've had great coaches. Les Miles came in there and
(16:34):
drop one on them. You're looking at a guy who
is the winningest coach in Notre Dame history. And you
take on this job where the resources are supposed to
be so vast for you to be able to build
the team that you want to have.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
You've been there long enough to do this.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Why are you not coming out and dominating in LSU
fashion and form? And don't give me the Doodoo face
like it's somebody else's fault. Don't try to don't try
to deflect it by what you're saying in the postgame
meeting for self preservation.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
He really he does have a good Dodo face, though
it's really good.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Married at it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Oh man, it was such a disgusted look. It's like, man,
who did it? Like who messed this up? And what
happened to the Cajun accent?
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Way after you?
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And when you got one foot out the door because
they forcing you out. That Cajun accent has to go
because you might not be able to get another good job,
a job interview if you go to one of the
schools that's going to hire you. When when they kick
your ass up out of LSU.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean, hey, that's why I'll give True Detective.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
The first season, those guys carried that accent all those
other characters all the way through the year.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Brian Kelly lost it after like an hour and a half.
Hey man, they send him on his way from LSU.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
How's sound with his family that things want to turn
into Yes, me and my family would like to vacate
the premises of Baton Rouge. We are now not enjoying
our stay here as guest of you pleasant people that
have not been very pleasant to.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Us, like get us to a golf course, johnson Ley said.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Thought I was a football coach, but me and my
family thought otherwise. It's time for us to go somewhere else.
Forget y'all, y'all Caju in accents. Maybe I can't communicate
with y'all clearly enough to get the game planned, and
I've been trying to give y'all.
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Speaker 3 (20:00):
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Speaker 2 (20:01):
All right, it is the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin coming up in,
we'll call it. About twenty minutes from now, you're going
to hear some unfortunate news for one player in the NFL.
Unfortunate but fortunate. We've got the details on that for
you again, about twenty minutes from now, So when the
NFL announced that they were because I don't know if
(20:24):
anybody's aware this, the season kicks off later on this week.
So we've got Thursday night you've got the Chiefs and
you've got the Ravens that'll kick off the year, and
then Friday you've got the game in Brazil, which look
we talked about on our show, Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe, which you can hear weekday morning, six
am Eastern time, three o'clock Pacific.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Just a little earlier than this show, a little.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Bit earlier myself, LeVar, and he was that guy's name,
Brady Quinn. Tho oh yeah, swinging d Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
The big noon kickoff show. Damn batter up.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
But you can hear us, and we talked out when
this game was announced, Like, man, who wouldn't want to
go to Brazil? Like I mean for an NFL game? Like,
let's like sign us up, we'll go there, we'll work remote,
we'll do it from you know, we'd like to pick
the establishment to do it from the But the point
is get over to Brazil. That'd be a good time.
Who wouldn't want to be a part of it? Well,
apparently the Philadelphia Eagles don't want to be a part
(21:19):
of it. Like that's a problem. Players are not happy
about it. They are not excited at all. Now, maybe
this is all just a front so that they're better
has you know, aren't worried about them going over to
Brazil and not make it a back.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
I don't think it's a front, and I think it's
a very serious approach because their uniforms kind of tell
you and confirm that that they're not taking this this
whole thing lightly in terms of what the possibilities of
what could play out in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Tell you what, though I'd love to go play in Brazil.
You don't know why, Well, because my eyes work, that's why. Okay,
And that dog hunts, if you know what I mean.
You know the point is they're going to be under
such such watch bro. I mean, listen, there's there's always
going to be dudes that's going to do what they're
going to do and be who they're going to be.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
I mean, there's I'm under service. I wonder what I
wonder what the over under is going to be on
dudes that get caught up like where they got robbed
or did something that got them sent home from the trip.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I wonder what the over under we're fell in love again?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
You know, like, hey, tell the wife and kids, I
ain't never coming back and never coming home. Where's mom at?
Put mom on the phone the baby. Yeah, I ain't
never coming back.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Like postcard from South Paulo And next thing you know,
you know, Christmas got cheaper.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
But the point is, whatever happened to that one player
that played for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You've never seen for or heard from them again, because
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
He's like big into jiu jitsu now for some reason,
do you know what happened love soccer?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
He's really been to it. He may revisit the NFL,
just in a different capacity.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
So so the Eagles are not happy about it. Nick
Sirianni the coach of the Eagles, spoke with reporters about
you know how he's trying to get his team focused
and prepared and ready and with a different mindset as
they approach Friday's game.
Speaker 9 (23:28):
We're going there to play and win a win a
football game. That's our that's our goal. That's our you know,
our only goal as we go down there. And so
you know, it's just putting, it's just getting everybody in
the right mindset of what you want, what you need
to be when you go down there. It's like, uh,
you can control the things that you can control. Like,
(23:48):
we're going to Brazil to play. That's that's what it is.
And we're excited about that. We're excited about the opportunity
to to play in a neutral site, knowing that you
know that and have a different, slightly different schedule of
things that happen.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I mean, they can try and pretty this up all
they want, and well, listen, logistically, you know, to start
off the year, it makes more sense, you've got more
travel time, et cetera, et cetera. It never makes any sense.
That's that's kind of a crap way to start off
the year.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
It never makes any sense to have to travel abroad,
travel far to play, especially if you're playing a game
that counts, and it just it just is what it is.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Like.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Is that a great play by the NFL to try
to expand span the game, expand the borders. Sure it
is introduce it to a different market. Sure, but is
it a hassle for the the franchise.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Why not do a preseason game.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
That's it makes more sense. I remember when we went
to Osaka, Japan. It was a preseason game. It was
a preseason game. The game didn't count, make it more
of an exhibition. But to play games, meaningful games that
that count torture record. I don't know, And I feel
like lately I've been more of a critic of the
(25:04):
decisions that I see coming from the league offices. I
don't want to come across as I'm a critic because
I'm a tremendous supporter of the Shield and what they represent,
what they do in a lot of ways. But I
wouldn't be doing my job correctly if I didn't say
the things that I felt when I felt them when
I'm saying them, And in this moment, I just feel
(25:26):
like there's certain things that you're talking about two really
really good franchises with really really strong fan bases. And
I know you're looking at from the standpoint like they'll
travel and stuff like that, but you really just cheat
at one of these teams out of having a home
game and the fans the onlookers a lot of times,
(25:47):
and I think we learned this during COVID. The venues
matter for the for the creation of the show itself,
because when you don't have that COVID showed us, if
you don't have fans in thiss.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And you don't have that noise, and you don't have the.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Pageantry connected to these games, it just doesn't It's like
watching a movie with no music. It's like the storyline
of it, the flow of it is just all messed up.
The energy of it is kind of messed up. So
to me, what's the energy going to look like in
sal Polo? What's that what's that stadium really going to
(26:26):
feel like to to the onlookers and to the players
specifically the players, Like, I know, you're going to draw
attention from your fans that have traveled there, but again,
there's still nothing like one of those teams getting to
say we're in Lambeau or we're at the link and
this is our season opener. Like there's something to be
(26:47):
said about that being in a neutral place in a
foreign country. I just don't think that that's going to hit.
It's not going to hit that way.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Like if you did a preseason game, like and this
is no disrespect to you know, the people listen in
Brazil on the iHeartRadio app, but if you did a
preseason game, like they don't get the NFL, like it
doesn't go there to play games, So you could present
them a preseason game and it'd be real fine, Like
nobody's going to be like I'm not going to go
(27:15):
see the Eagles and Packers. It's like it's a preseason game. Like, no,
they're going to go because there's an NFL game there,
Like you're gonna draw a crowd.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You probably have to say there's going to be a
relevant soccer exhibition match at halftime of the game to
damn to get the local population to want to go. Yeah,
I mean they be like there's a game. What type
of game? Football? A soccer game?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
No? No, like football, like soccer game?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
No, like football, you know, like football, Like, oh it's
a soccer game? Like no, No, it's like that game
they play in America.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, like when people get tackled, they really get tackled.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like you've never seen this before. Like let me go
on YouTube and show you, like, look, this is what
it is. This is what's coming here.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
But they would show up, like if you did a
preseason game, they would like they would and also as
it's a spectacle, yes right, like and plus I would
venture to guess in the middle of training camp for
a preseason game, these players would be way.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
More open to go into Brazil.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
I'm sure because it doesn't matter. Yes, but this game matters.
You have to be doaled in. That means that the
way that they're going to monitor you is going to
be dowed in.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
This is a game. This is a game situation. This
is a work trip.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
You're not there as preseason you know, we can choose
some flower seats and send ball boys over to talk
to people in the stands for for you, Like, this
isn't that type of Some of them still might do
it anyway, but this isn't not supposed to be that
type of trip.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
This is a real trip.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
If you did so, I'm not putting my phone number
and I'm not saying that this is what players do
or anything. But I'm not putting my phone number are
on like a game pair of worn gloves and like
sending them over to you know, a fan in the
in the stands that are are a worthy recipient of
your your game worn gloves that have your phone number,
(29:13):
your you know, your what's that called?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
What's that your WhatsApp? You know you don't.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
You don't put your WhatsApp information on that hand that
you used for the game, that glove you would do that. No,
you don't do that, especially when it's a real game
that matters and that itccounts. Like you don't put you know,
your your WhatsApp on like you know a game warn say,
I don't know a towel that you wore, like streaming towel,
(29:41):
make sure your hands are dry and stuff like that.
You know, just don't do that. And you don't give
it to the ball boy or to one of the
guys that handle the equipment or the video the visual
things that you use. You just do not incorporate them
into being able to disseminate those those gifts to the fans.
(30:02):
You know, your give back to the community to expand
you know the fandom in Brazil. Yeah, you just you
know that in regular season get I wouldn't do it,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Now I wonder if I would.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I definitely would not partake in that again again again,
So what uh?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
No, only one time.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Here's here's what I'm fascinated to see though, because like
Major League Baseball did this to where they sent the
Dodgers and the Padres over to Japan to open up
the air. But what they did was they sent him
over for like a two game series and they came
back and they concluded spring training. They didn't send him
over and then all right, games three and four next up,
and you guys just got to go play. I'm fascinated
(30:51):
to see how green Bay and Philly doing Week two,
Like I'd love to see what the hangover effect is
because green Bay's at home against Indianapolis and Philly at least,
and that's on a Sunday. In Week two, Philly at
least gets an extra day they've gotten Monday and night
against the Falcons at home. I'm really curious to see
how they look coming off this trip to Brazil, because
(31:13):
I know the NFL wants money and they want all
this stuff. I can't imagine if this goes poorly and
these teams really struggle after the fact and they've got
to start off the year like this, that the NFL
goes down this road again, like maybe some adjustments, but
I just think a preseason game week makes way much
more sense.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
And there for a reason. And now granted they haven't
been back to Osaka, Japan. I think you tried to
integrate and penetrate a market, and if it works, then
you build on that. If it doesn't work, then you tried,
what's the next market up, which is the next one
that we could try to integrate in that may be receptive,
(31:54):
more receptive, more of a growth opportunity, because again I
think all of the all of the plans that we're
saying take place, with the equity groups and different things
like that, being able to buy into franchises and stuff
like that, they're clearly trying to create new money and
(32:14):
more revenue opportunities, more more business that increases the bottom
line for the National Football League.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
There's also this as well too. The president of Brazil
has banned the use of X out there, so like
anybody you know, like for us watching on some can
affect us for us watching on television. I mean, unless
you know Direct TV and you know, somebody else gets
into a pissing match again and they just shut off
all the TVs for us to watch, like they did
last night. But apparently they've banned X because they want
(32:46):
Elon Musk to adjust free speech rules, and he's saying, no,
that's the foundation of what we do here.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
It's free speech.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
And so anybody going to cover the game cannot use
X to provide updates. So we'll get to watch all
the same. But then anybody cover and I guess if
you use a VPN to try and access it, you're
gonna get fined almost nine thousand dollars if you try
and go on X.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
So if you know what, they're going to arrest you
if you use it if you don't pay the fine.
I no, no, I'm not ever coming back to this place.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
So your fine. I'll tell you this much. They might
not let you fly up out of there, though.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Anybody anybody going over there was looking for, you know,
an out as to why maybe it came back late.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
There's you're out. I tried listen, honey, I don't have
to tell you. I ended up extra time.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
I mean, I was trying to take a picture of this,
I say, e bowl and post it to X. Next thing,
you know, I'm in cuffs nine thousand dollars and there's like.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Three months I had to stay here for like and
you know what, they gave me six months community service
and they said I couldn't leave until I service at
least six months of community.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
And listen, I don't know how this lipsticks staying got
on my jeans. Okay, I can't explain that. You gotta
take it up with the proper author plarties here. So
there you go. There's you're out for anything. Cleaning up
the good streets of South Plow.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
What we do it is, uh, somebody stumbled and was
thanking me and it ended up being some lipstick on
the side of my leg.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
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Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, microphone check. We'll get to the
Supreme protect the down sect I want to be and
then I mean for jeezy and easy.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Anyway, I don't remember the words clearly, but that is
method Man in the Red Man.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes, I knew that.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I took all mammal from this song.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
By the way, did you I did lift my shirt
up all mammal because I used to get padded down
at the airports all the time. I used to walk
through there and they'd be like, oh my gosh, we've
got to pad them down. I lift my shirt up
and there was all mammal was born.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
I never had that problem. Yeah, because they touched me.
I'd be looking at their faces. It's almost like they
was touching like a silverback gorilla or something like that.
I'm like, no, man, you know, it's just me. Which
a gorilla is all mammal too, by the way, King
of Mammals. Yeah, that's that's my that's my you know,
my eye. Jesus, y'all want to follow me, you know,
check me out. See what I got going on. Go
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Speaker 2 (36:00):
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Speaker 3 (36:04):
It is Yeah, there's nobody there. It is Yeah.
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on the Herd coming up here and we'll call it.
About twenty minutes from now, we are going to have
the Herdline news here on this Monday morning, the hour
two editions starring Bo Benson.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
That'll be yours here again.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
It's just about twenty minutes from now. So I would
like to say this Mike Zimmer, and you know, we
can have the discussion following the quotes that we read
off about what's that going to look like and how's
that going to go in Dallas with your guy Micah
Parsons and company now that he's the defensive coordinator there.
But he did have some thoughts and some comments. Recently,
(36:43):
he did an interview with Mark Craig of the Minneapolis
Star Tribune and but listen, this is why he gotta
love Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
He is old.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
School, going to tell it how it is and does
not care who it offends. So apparently he and former
Vikings GM Rick Spielman, which if I'm not mistaken, you
did the draft show here at FSR Rick.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Spielman, and I've heard in Vegas. I heard he's a
good guy. It is a cool guy.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
So so apparently Mike Zimmer tells this story that quote
I walk in before the draft and Rick is watching.
This is the twenty twenty one draft, So this is,
you know, basically where you know things started to take
go sideway. So I walk in before the draft and
Rick is watching quarterback interviews from the combine. He hadn't
(37:31):
told me anything. Normally, he always kept me abreast of everything,
and he and I were always good, he said the
first round, Rick tried to trade up for Justin Fields.
So that was the draft in twenty twenty one where
Justin Field ended ended up going to the Bears, and
he saw all those quarterbacks get picked. Apparently he wanted
to move up for Justin Fields. But Zimmer says, quote,
(37:55):
Fields hasn't done anything. He's a very dangerous runner. You know,
he's trying to get better as a pastor. But later
on the Vikings went on to select Kellen Mund, and
Mike Zimmer said, when he picked Mund, I just walked
out of the room. I left the building. I didn't
even talk to him on the phone. The next day
I saw I saw Rix Bielman, and I said, and
(38:18):
you said to me, are you mad at me?
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Zimmer told him.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I said, yeah, I think you took four backups when
we had guys there I thought were starters. From that
time on, it just kind of got worse between us.
And I'm not saying nothing was my fault. I'm sure
there were plenty of things that were my fault. Then
he also talked about how he was critical of Kellen Mund,
where he just did not want to give him any
playing time. I had seen enough of him in practice,
(38:43):
And he went on to say people made a big
deal out of me, saying that he only took three snaps.
I didn't need to see more of him. I saw
him every day of practice. Maybe I was omnissent, omniscent
or something. But he played three NFL snaps and two
were bad. So he unloaded on the former GM former
players that were there Flores. He also he also talked
(39:07):
about this is my favorite after he got fired. He
said that they came in and asked him, do you
want to address the team? He said, hell no, they
got me fired. He said, I haven't watched one Minnesota
game since they fired me. He's all, I guess you
could say I hold grudges. There was also the exchange
(39:28):
that he had with Kirk Cousins on the sideline. He
was upset at Paul Allen, the play by play guy,
for saying that Zimmer snapped when it looked like he
did where Kirk Cousins went up to him and shook
him and Zimmer grabbed him afterwards like it did not
end well in Minnesota for Mike Zimmer. But I guess
my question to you is, if that's who Mike Zimmer is,
(39:51):
and maybe that doesn't land well with a lot of
people in today's football climate, how the hell is that
going to land in Dallas, where, look, Mike McCarthy has said,
you know, Zimmer is gonna be blunt and he's gonna
tell it how it is. And I think today's game
needs more of that. But is there a place for
that when you've already got incidents that have taken place
(40:13):
as season and comments that have come out where Micah
Parsons and Mike Zimmer haven't necessarily seen eye to eye
on some things. Mike Zimmer's, you know, discussed potentially maybe
not being happy with participation of some players there and
considering what they had in Dan Quinn. Maybe under the radar.
(40:33):
That's the dynamic to watch for this upcoming season because
he's a great coach.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
I just wonder how that lands today.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I don't know Mike Zimmer, so I can't really speak
to it intelligently as to how that's hitting with the
Dallas Cowboys. What I can say is.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
Is that and.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Earlier days, days, prior to now, toxic coaches, there were
plenty there, dime a dozen. I mean, they're just that's
just you find them pretty pretty simply. These days, players
have more of a voice, should I say, venture to
(41:16):
say they have more rights, which kind of sounds funny
because players didn't have no rights. Do it the coach's way,
or get the hell out of here, like I I
send you back home. I gave you this scholarship. I'll
take the scholarship. Do it the way I want it done,
or you get the hell up out of here. That's
how it used to be. Nowadays, it's like coaches have
(41:36):
to be very, very careful and how they manage the
relationships with their players, because players, for one, can get
you fired for one, for two, I guess you could
say they could get you fired. First way they could
get you fired is they can complain about you and
get you up out of there. It turns into a thing.
(41:58):
Maybe it turns into a thing with the Maybe it
turns into a thing with the owners. Whatever it may be,
its turned into a thing that gets you out of there.
Second wave players can get you up out of there
is by their lack of.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Performance.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
If you're running a defense and that defense is not
living up to the expectation that they're supposed to live
up to, especially if you have a star Wars and
a guy like a Michael Parsons, if he's not having
a good year one hundred percent, the blame is going
to go towards the defensive coordinator because he's already had
monster years since he's been in the league. So what
(42:36):
else could it be? Under Dan Quinn's watchful lie, he
has thrived. You get the moment he goes away and
you bring in this new coach. Why is Michael parsons
or why is this defense not playing as well as
they did under Dan Quinn, And so you know what
they're capable of doing, you know what the comp is
and that puts a lot of pressure on the incumbent
(42:58):
of that defense, and that's going to be no different
for Mike Zimmer. So I just wonder if Mike Zimmer
has any type of finesse or understanding of the scenario
that he's in right now. You're not the head coach,
so you really don't have a voice like you did
in Minnesota. You do not have the power of voice
and the power of hand to dictate things. You are,
(43:21):
in essence a position coach and you've been given a
coordinator's job, which is great, but nonetheless you're really a
position coach and you need to stay in your place
and let the head coach do what it is that
he's going to do. So I say that to say,
with all of the personality quirks or whatever it is
(43:41):
that Zimmer brings to the table, he had better be
very very careful and understanding that there has he ever.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Coached for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah, he was an assistant for a long time, Okay,
so he knows the Jones family, so.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
That may be the only thing that's in favor of him.
That's what I thought.
Speaker 4 (43:59):
If if he is trying to leverage this to possibly
undercut McCarthy and maybe possibly end up being a head
coach there, he had better play as cards right, and
burning bridges with players is not the proper way to
get the way you're trying to go to in twenty
twenty four, I.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Mean, maybe this is post Vikings era. And he just said,
you know what, I'm just gonna be honest because i
have no ties left to the organization. So I'll just
call out the GM, I'll call out one of our quarterbacks.
I'll call out the you know, play by play guy
for questioning me on that. Like what I mean, you
could look at it like that, or I also look
at it like this. It's clearly somebody who doesn't hide
(44:39):
his frustrations. Well, and if you saw the way that
interaction happened with Kirk Cousins, where Kirk Cousins went and
shook him and.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
He turned grabbed him like he was like like we're
going to get this thing.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Look they were going to throw down, like like, let's
let's go ahead and handle this you don't grab on
me like that.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
And he had made comments about Cousins public, and so
it gave the impression that, like, yeah, like that, that
he didn't like him, And I just I just wonder
at this point in his career with maybe feeling comfortable
because his connection to the Cowboys is the most important one,
which is the owner. If potentially there's going to be
(45:17):
a line in the sand and there's going to be
a point where Jerry Jones or somebody's gonna have to
step in and be like, hey, dude, like Micah Parsons
is one of the best players in the league. We
got to try and make this work. And Mike Zimmer
sounds like the type of guy who will go public
with criticism of players and not be shy about it.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Well, it sounds like the type of guy that can
do what happens so many times, which is poison the
well between a player and an organization. And that's not
that's not something that's new. It's something that happens when
you have a guy that comes in and you didn't
you didn't draft him, he's not your guy, and you're
(45:57):
going to treat things a certain type of way. And
if that's how he's going to be, and he's going
to treat things a certain type of way. And Michael
Parsons is going to be how he's going to be
and treat things a certain type of way. Somewhere, you know,
the rubber meets the road, and then now it's who
who are you valuing more? You know, And that's that's
a that's unfortunate. A lot of times, a lot of
(46:19):
times they'll they'll side with with the coach. They'll side
with the coach, and they try to figure it out
as to how you're going to go about doing that. Now,
I think this might be a tremendously unique situation there.
I do not believe that they're going to side with
the coach. But with that being said, haven't there been
like lightweight reports that have come out that players aren't
(46:40):
happy with Michael Parsons or some of the people around
there just aren't happy with Michael Parsons. Like so you
start having propaganda hit hit the public and hit the media,
and now all of a sudden, Michael pro Michael Parsons
is a problem to the locker.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Room where he's like the cooker who was like critical
of his podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:59):
Or something like that.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I mean, the dude is now like moving into the
business world. I mean, he's the CEO or whatever it
is of a Bleacher report, arm media ARM. He's he's
expanding his brand, He's doing a lot of things. So
I don't know if it's because of envy or hate
or jealousy that that maybe teammates or that these things
(47:20):
are are kind of coming out of Dallas in reports
of him. But the reality of it is, until you
can show me that he is a cancer to your
team in the locker room and on the field, his
productivity is always going to speak louder than what any
rumor ever could. And so now that the idea of him,
(47:41):
the rumor circulating that him and Mike Mike Zimmer don't
don't talk that much, having said more than three or
four words to one another, that that that reflects the coach,
That does not reflect the player. That has to fall
at the feet of the coach, and less it gets
to a point where you can clearly say that this
(48:04):
is something that the player is intentionally doing and it's
undermining the coach and it's undermining this unit. And I
haven't heard any reports of that, have you. I haven't
heard any reports of that.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
I mean, you know what's wild about the whole thing
is this just started to become normalized now. But you know,
there's a lot of players careers who never got to
be what they could have been, or never even got
off the ground because they got drafted to an organization
that tried to change who they were and what they
did great when they drafted all the time. But nowadays
(48:37):
it's almost like it, especially at to say the quarterback position,
where it's like, if you draft a guy he has
success in college, build around what he does great and
try and improve the other aspects of a common sense
But there were there was a time where it wasn't
common sense where you had and these people are getting
higher yes jobs, it's like, oh, like the qualifications of
(48:58):
being a hey coach, Like you're sitting out here knowing
the stuff you're talking about it. This is the part
that blows my mind, though, is if the player has success,
everybody benefits. Like if Micah Parsons is great, it's going
to reflect well.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
On Mike Zimmer. But the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (49:16):
Organization Michah Parsons is clearly better and great because of
Mike Zimmer. Then Mike Zimmer gets that credit, okay, and
that's the ego that a lot of these coaches be
walking around with. But he could very easily also get
the credit just by hey listen. Micah Parsons went to
another level, like I would be excited about the opportunity
to coach a guy like that. Belichick one. That's the
(49:39):
famous story about when he coached Lawrence Taylor with the Giants.
Laurence Belichick went to Parcels and said, hey, listen. Lt
showed up late to a meeting, and Parcels said to him,
why do you start the meeting without him?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Like it's like he's a great player, build around what
he does. Belichick learned that he became.
Speaker 4 (49:56):
A better coach on a him and his coach was
the coach's name that he was with, Larry Brown.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Larry Brown. Yeah, I just watched that and it was
a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (50:06):
I mean, you're going there's a chance, Like I always say,
the most the most amazing players, more often than not,
especially on defense side of the ball, they're touched like
they're touched, they they're touched with something, and they're not
always going to be the most easiest people to deal with.
And you have to understand that. I just I think
(50:27):
sometimes we take for granted that coaches lack humility and
they need it. And in some cases, I think that
some of the biggest ego maniacs you will run into
are coaches, and we give them a pass because we
be so focused in on on the players.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
But these coaches be having egos.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
Man they be having alter egos, super egos.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
You name it. Like they be having egos.
Speaker 4 (50:52):
Just look at the way they be dressing sometimes, or
look at the way they handle things sometimes, the way
they're hair is done, the way the way they talk
to the media, the way they do things. Like coaches
are some of the most egotistically driven people within the game,
within the sport, and that just is a part of it.
So you're sometimes you're going to have egos collide because
(51:18):
these guys are making money now, the players are making money,
the coaches are making money, and you have somebody who's
going to command more money in a Micah Parsons, and
you run into a situation with him. You're supposed to
make that ass work out. You're not supposed to be
a problem or a thorn in the side of that
athlete because you feel like you're teaching him a lesson.
(51:39):
That's a grown ass man playing in the National Football League.
Figure out how to make that work.
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