July 1, 2025 • 34 mins
Colin talks to 3-time National Champion head coach Urban Meyer about BIG 10 closing the gap on the SEC and why Penn State might be the best team in country.
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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Welcome back.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
There was about a fifteen year period that I thought
outside of Ohio State, Big ten schools just didn't have
the depth of talent that the LSUS and the Alabama's had.
Ohio State was sort of I used to call them
the SEC up North. They had the money, the facilities,
the coaching, But Michigan wanna Naty, Buckeyes Winnati. The two
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best players in the country next year are a receiver
in a corner Caleb Downs Jeremiah Smith or Buckeyes. And
I think Penn State has the best backfield in the country.
And I think I have the Nitney Lyons winning a Natty.
Although I think it's hard to you know, the journey
through the Big Ten now is tough because Washington and
USC are going to be better. Urban Meyer is now
joining US Urban for years and years you knew, and
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I knew, and the world knew the SEC was better.
And I don't know. I don't know who's better in
the middle or the tail end. But I think if
you took the top four teams today in the Big Ten,
which would be Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, and then
we can argue over for I think they are today
as good mine Lean is slightly better than the SEC.
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Where are you at having coached in both conferences today?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
The transition of the Big Ten has been phenomenal. On
the triple option, we had James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
We talked about that because.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
He came into the league a couple of years after
I did. In twenty twelve, calling it wasn't even close.
It was shocking. There were great players in the Big Ten,
but the stadium atmospheres were just okay. The depth of
talent was not there, and the certainly the bottom half
the Big Ten just wasn't very good. That's changed, that's
changed dramatically. The stadium atmospheres are incredible. The addition of
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the four teams for the Pac twelve, I mean, those
are four legit teams. And how about this stat this
is interesting. In nine there were twenty eight players drafted
average in the Big Ten. This past year there were
seventy one.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's over double.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So how do you measure conferences? Championships? Big Ten the
last two years? And those are two great teams, the
Wolverines and the Buckeys, great teams. But then the second
way to measure at the NFL and the SECS. I
think it's nineteen straight years they've had more draft picks
than everyone else. They still do, but the Big pen's
much closer.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, And I think you know, we sometimes because Michigan
and Ohio State and Penn State are such big brands,
we kind of forget about Washington and Oregon. And I've
said this before about Washington. Every time in my life
they've had a great coach, Don James, I mean new
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Heisel got him to a Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson, Caylin
de Boorr. Every time they have an elite coach, they
end up in a playoff. And I don't think people
in the at least in the South. I think they
do in the Midwest. They don't understand how good Oregon
is as a football program, whereas the SEC added Texas
and Oklahoma. I think people view those as big brands.
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Tell me how you view Oregon in Washington? Forget to
sc for a second. I don't think those schools get
the national respect. But I would argue Oregon and Washington
right now, are Oregon's better than Oklahoma? Washington's on the
same plateau? Where are you on that?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I think nashally, Oregon's a different it's a different duck,
but it's everybody looks at Oregon now. I mean the uniforms,
the stadium, the success they've had. I think I actually
considered them a blue blood right now, even though they've
not won a national championship. The Washington now, I spend
time at Colorado State, I spent time at Utah's recruited
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out West Washington is a diamond and like you said,
they've always had when they have Don James, they have
Brick new Heisl, they have some of those coaches, Chris Peterson.
You're in the national championship hunt. They were just recently
in the championship hunt with Kailen Debors. So you added
two great brands to the SEC. But I'll tell you what,
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you got three legits and you just went how about this?
In the SEC? I count nine teams that are expected
to compete and win a national championship for years are
just three in the Big Ten outs five, So they've added.
There's been some really strength added to the Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think a lot of we all know the elite
and coaches in college. It feels like a young man's game,
and I think one of the advantages the Big Ten
has now. Franklin's a great recruiter, Ryan Day's a great recruiter.
Michigan has always been a solid. I think Dan Lanning
is a great recruiter. Also, a big nil USC now
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has the number one twenty twenty six class Jed Fish
has always been even at Arizona, you got all sorts
of NFL guys. Is that the reality is the Big
Ten now has excellent recruiting coaches. That feels like a
big part of it. I mean, when you were in
the SEC, who was beating you in the Big Ten
for players? I think there's guys now in the Big
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Ten that go down south and pull players up.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I'm glad you brought that up, because this is real life.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I leave the SEC and I come to Ohio State
and there was something called a Gentleman's Agreement and the
Gentleman's coach Bilama got really pissed off at me when
we turned a couple players, and I didn't know gentlemen agreement.
I'm sure what that means. Recruiting, you got to go
get players. We had two kids from Ohio committed to Wisconsin.
Then we got them, we flipped them, and people were saying, well,
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you know, in this conference, you don't do that, and
I was like, I don't. I not saw that anywhere
in my contract. That's not against the rules. I got
a job at Ohio State to go win games, so
I'm going to recruit whoever the heck we want to recruit.
So the recruiting has changed dramatically. Like you said, you
think about the Big Ten coaches that are elite recruiters.
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I'm not saying they weren't back in twenty twelve, but
there wasn't the emphasis on it is now. And as
a result, look at the difference. I just told you
seventy one players drafted in the Big Ten Conference last
year compared to twenty eight just ten years ago, fifteen
years ago.
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Speaker 1 (07:23):
The recruiting has changed in college football. I you know,
I don't fight new stuffs. If new stuff comes in,
there's new rules, there's new cultures. I'm just gonna, you know,
I'm gonna try to figure out, like Rick Patino said
on my show recently, when the world changes, you can
you can fight it, or you can figure out a
way to solve the new world. If you were recruiting now,
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let's say you're a Buckeye and and you're recruiting or
a Gator, whatever it is, how would you attack the
NIL How would you attack it?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You got to get players, and I would attack it
the way the big schools are attacking it. I would
have find out. I would have distribution. I would have
a GM. I think Mark Pantoni, the guy we hired
here years ago, he still at Ohio State. I still
talk to him once in a while about how they
do this. But you know, you have to put emphasis
if they're if everybody's abiding by the same rules, which
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now they are.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
A year ago, it wasn't the case.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
You could go out and you spend and through the
collectives as much as you can. But I would put
premium on positions a lot like they do the NFL.
You got to pay what you got to pay for
a quarterback, for defense, ends, corners and receivers. You have
to do it. And I'd pay that center, so I would.
I would distribute and build the best team you could
possibly can. And that's that's kind of what the top
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teams are doing right now.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, the you know, it's funny how you perceive a
coach and how the public does. I've always loved Sark,
but I've said this about Sark. Great recruiter, great with quarterbacks, hustler.
Sometimes on the details. I kind of feel like he
lets the game flow and occasionally I'll watch him and
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think it gets a little away from him. But again
I'm nitpicking. How do you view Sark when you do
a Texas game or you watch Texas? What do you see?
Does he have a trend? Does he have a tell like?
How do you view Sark?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Why have friends that are around Sark that know him well?
I know him fairly well. He's always been great to me.
I think he's the elite offense. I mean that, I'm
on to state the obvious. First, he's an elite offensive coach.
He was in the NFL, he was in college as
an assistant. As a head coach, they're always going to
be spectacular in offense. But a lot like Lincoln Riley,
is that you have to grow as a head coach.
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You don't get championships for offense. That's not how this
game works. You get championships for great defense, not turning
the ball over, and efficient offense. And I think he's
grown into the position. He's still relatively young, even though
he's had some great jobs. Vim as one of the
top coaches in the country, and that's why I got
Texas is.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I haven't picked them for sure yet, but I'm still
studying it.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But I think most people have that preseason number one
with a returning quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You know a program you know well as LSU, and
I like Brian Kelly, but it is a again, you
are recruiting your own players. You're everything's moving, and I
Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley. I look at him and
I think it doesn't quite look like I think it
should look yet, and Saban got out of it. I
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saw in college basketball coach k and Jay Wright are
like a young man's game.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm getting out of this.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Let's say LSU is okay this year. Now I like
their quarterback. I think they're going to be better than okay.
But is there an argument with all the movement, there's
no off season that for the guys that are post sixty,
it's harder now than it's ever been.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Well, you got to connect with players, and you look
at the best connecting guys and it's it's real as
the younger the younger generation, and that's always been kind
of the the facts of coaching players. You know, you
have young guys on your staff. A big part of
that is what to read the locker room, to let
you know the locker room. So Brian Kelly, I admire him,
we're friends. We coached against each other. I visited his programs,
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he's visited mine. To think that he's still coaching, I
you know, I didn't see that happening. And then he
saw an opportunity at LSU. And I'll tell you this
about Brian Kelly's driven and he wants that national championship
and then you don't move from South Bend.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He did it for one reason and that's to go
get that crystal ball.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So I know it's driving.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Him and he's he's one of those guys when he
when he pushes really hard, great things happened. So yeah,
I didn't I didn't see that when happening. I didn't
see him coaching this long. But when he saw that
opportunity showed up at LSU, we actually talked about it
a couple of years ago. He just thinks that spectacular
and the chance he can win it all.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Finally, you guys at Ohio State, you picked up produced
tight end again, another exceptional class. It's Caleb Downs, It's
Jeremiah Smith. Everybody loves the quarterback. If I said, give
me your top three teams in the country, just in personnel,
I don't want to look at this schedule. If I
just said, like last year, by the end of the year,
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Ohio State had more good players than everybody. They looked
like those Alabama teams where they were like Tyson in
their prime. People were getting intimidated. Name the three best
rosters right now, personnel in America.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, you said, you guys at Ohio State. I'm at
Fox I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I was.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Texas, Texas, Ohio State and Penn State is following the
lead of the Wolverines and the Buckeyes, and that is
they have more seniors. Think about this, colin, that I'd
never had a chance to coach fourth year players if
I did, is very rare. And the difference between a
fourth year player and a rookie or a freshman is
night and day. You're coaching grown ass men. You're coaching
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that's a that's a men's locker room compared to young person.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So I watch out for Penn State. Man.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
If Drew Aller can really improve as a quarterback, I
agree with you. To get the best backfield. I don't
think it's close in the country. They got an offensive
line that they can't wait to get on the field.
So yeah, I think Penn State, Texas, and Ohio State
are three most talented.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, Urban Meyer, there's a golf course waiting.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
There's a four iron waiting for you to grab it.
So I have first chased by I'll see it, Gina
and George Etti's in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And day tell me when you're in town.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I'm ready for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So Michigan, Michigan two years ago, Ohio State last year.
Penn States might call to beat Texas in the National Championship.
You know, keep your eye on Oregon. Yeah, keep your
eye on Oregon. But I think they're really good. Ohio
State will obviously be good. Jmack with the News, No, no,
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this is the herd line. You're so fired up for college.
But you know what, you know how irritating that's going
to be to SEC fans if it goes Michigan, Ohio State,
Penn State, that's going to be irritating. The tide has turned,
my friend, the big ten at the top is better
than the SEC. If Ohio, If Penn State wins this year,
you can't argue it it's over.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
This is quite a leap to Penn State winning the NATTI.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
I know you're a Midwest guy now, but next time
you come out west, you want to hit Vegas. Put
some money where your mouth is on Penn State. I
come on, really, you think it win in the National Javyshop.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
First round running back, first round quarterback, and as as
Urban said, uh, very very talented. All that. They've always
recruited the old line, they're gonna be really and Franklin
is an elite recruiter. You know, Penn State's one of
those programs because it's out in the middle of nowhere.
It gets you know, it's independent for years and years
Joe Paterno and it was up there and they over
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the hills. And let me tell you something, facility, fan base, revenue, athletes,
it's a real deal.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
We got a family member going to We have freshman
at Penn.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
State next here.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
So I'll be something of a fan for the Ninny Lions,
but can't get on board with Naddy. All right, let's
go to the NFL. Colin Travis Hunter. He's one of
the big names to watch this season. The new Jaguars
wide receiver slash dB. Well, his teammate Josh Heinz Allen
the pass rusher, gave his two cents on the Travis
Hunter playing both ways situation during an appearance on The
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Rich Eisen Show.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
What plagues every NFL player or any professional athlete his injuries.
I think if he can allow himself to stay healthy, yes,
and take care of that getting the hyperbaric scene. Yeah,
I think. I think he has a great career ahead
of him both sides of the ball. Again, if he's
the best dB, is he the best wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Who knows?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
But is he a great playmaker on both sides of ye?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yes he is. Wow. I mean I can't wait to
watch him.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Are we getting a little too excited for a rookie?
Are you putting too much presser on this kid? Is
he a great playmaker on both sides of the football?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah? He was at Colorado.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
No, I think we have to be on it. The
NFL is different than the NBA. Is that Micah Parsons
walked into the NFL Aiden hushes and walked in, Jared
Vers walked in. I mean, you can guys, first round
talent walk in and oh wow, they're really great.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We see it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Jaden Daniels walks in and you're like, is he a
top six quarterback in the league. This is not college
basketball or college baseball where you go to the miners.
These guys come out with three and four years against
NFL players. Brian Thomas last year like, I mean that
harball loved him. They took a tackle instead. So I
think there's no I mean, I think he'll walk on
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the field. I think he's the best athlete right now
Jacksonville has, and I think all the players know he's
about tow doesn't mean to be the best player, right
but in terms of best athlete, I think Jacksonville players
look around and go, yeah, that guy's probably our best athlete.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Pretty good.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
All right, let's stay in the NFL. Go to Kyler Murray.
We touched on him earlier. Is he going to be
a flash point this season?
Speaker 9 (17:12):
Colin?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
We will see.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
He's just had a rough few seasons.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Last season was the first time since twenty twenty that
Kyler started all seventeen games.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Had over four thousand yards and twenty six touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
However, his teammate Buddha Baker believes Kyler is the NFL's
most underrated quarterback, adding he's kind of been in his
bag the whole offseason. He's gonna do it all. I
don't know, I think underrated quarterback. I do not think
Kyler Murray. I would go the opposite way, he's a
little overrated. Do you consider Kyler Murray underrated?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, I think he's rated exactly where he should be.
Stop a little small, a little distracted. I think, you know,
I mean, I think I think by and large, in
this league, quarterbacks are I mean, we can argue, where
is Jalen Hurt six or nine?
Speaker 7 (18:04):
Five?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
You know, I think brock perty is closer to fifteen.
You think he's closer to seven. We can argue about
guys like that. But by and large, I think I
think one of the things that's absolutely fairly rated is
NFL quarterbacks. I think I think by and large we
all know the top four or five, and then we
have a sense of the next six or seven, and
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I think Kyler is on the out of that. You know,
he's like in that thirteen ish twelve to fifteen sixteen,
And I think that's I think he's got.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Hold hold up?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Is that on talent and potential or what he's shown
because those are.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Two very different things.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
What I've seen on the field, he's somewhere between thirteen
and sixteen in terms of Sunday opening kickoff. He's my quarterback.
Here's what's going to happen. And I think I think
I don't think there's a position in the NFL in
sports that it's because we talk about it so much.
It's very fairly. Again, we can argue about Brock Purby.
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There's always one guy. For years and years people were
critical of Lamar Jackson. The guy wins seventy six percent
of his games. He's somewhere in the top six or seven.
I think he's closer to four than he is to eight.
But you know, Jalen hurts to me because of their
O line and run game and star talent. It's a
little overinflated. When Greg Cosell comes on for years, which
he did by the way, with Russell Wilson and says
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he doesn't see the field.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Great.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I trust Greg Cosell over fans and media, so but
most quarterbacks we kind of know what if I say
a name of a quarterback and you and I put
a number on it, our number usually is going to
be fairly close.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Oh, I like Greg Cosell seems like a nice guy.
Never I think I didn't meet him actually at the
super Bowl. But Colin, like, we have a lot of
data that shows Jalen Hurts is winning from the pocket.
He's winning big games, He's putting up huge numbers. Just
because some games he doesn't pass a lot. I think
we're giving him an unfair like shake when it comes
to Kyler Murray, Colin, he has the same number of
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playoff wins. Let me see Justin Herbert Tua.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
I think at.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Once, if Kyler Murray too and Justin Herbert are on
the market, think like a GM your owner would fire
you if you didn't take Justin Hurt Justin Herbert obviously easily.
Now you got to contextualized playoff wins. If you're six
or five with a big arm and move, and you're
smart with a four to two major in biology, I'm
gonna take you over to and Jalen Hurt. If I
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gave you Jalen Hurts or Kyler Murray, who you take it.
You tend to look at wins. I tend to try
to look at traits. You and I just see quarterback differently.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I'm trace.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm not gonna look at Wins.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
I look at Trey not always Jalen Hurts or Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Who would you take Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Yeah, he's scared there for a moment. Calary, All right,
final story. Let's go to baseball.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Today is a special.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
Date, July first, Bobby Bonia Day, reminding all Mets fans
that they owe Bobby Bonia another one point two million dollars.
One of the wildest contracts in sports history goes.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
All the way back to two thousand.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
So the metsid wanted to buy out Bobby Bonia, and
instead of paying it out in full, they decided they'd
make annual payments of one point two million for twenty
five years. So Colin, up until twenty thirty five, Bobby
Bonia is going to get one point two million dollars.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
There's It's similar to the lottery. You win, like a
big lottery.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Do you want the instant payout or do you want
the annuity where you get every year you get XM L.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, if you trust yourself and have discipline, you take
the money immediately and investor invest it. You know, athletes historically,
you know I would probably say athletes should take the
money over the course of twenty five years. The rule
on the lottery, I've all this is a fascinating topic
to me.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
The rule on the lottery has always.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Been, you take the money up front, you take the
big money, don't worry about to pay out. But here's
the downside. What if you take the money up front
COVID hits market crashes. WHOA if you take it over
twenty five years, You're not beholden to a hot market.
You're not in trouble with a cool market. Is We've
had market crashes about over the course of the dal
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Jones every seven years, you get turbulence. It's doing very
well now, but I do think there's peace of mind.
Like a lot of people pay off their homes. They
tell you should not pay off your home, but a
lot of people do because they want to sleep at night,
they want the home.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
They don't want to think about it.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So I've thought about this, if I sold a company,
or if I how would I want the payouts? And
my takeaways always been I'm boring and disciplined, so I
take the money up front. But I think Bobby Benia
probably thought you know what, man, this is easy. I
just a twenty five year annuity million point two a year.
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
So it's interesting. Our producer put together a list of names.
Bobby Bunia is currently.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Getting paid more than these young.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Baseball stars, and the jumps out as the Pirates pitcher
Paul Skeens, who is like a phenom in a superstar.
Bobby Bonia, who's been out of the league for like
sixteen years, is making more money than him. It's just
a genius contract. Applauding Bobby Bonia, wish more athletes kind
of fought like he did.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
J Mackle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, they're on a four game friendly losing shriek. They
are now in the Semis. Tyler Adams the United States
men's national team, looking forward to it joining us next.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 7 (23:37):
The Road to twenty twenty six continues tomorrow on FS
one with the Gold Cup Semifinal as the US men's
national team that takes on Guatemada.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
No easy path, no second Chances.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Coverage begins tomorrow six Eastern on FS one.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Tyler Adams was the captain of the last World Cup team.
So I have been on this thing where I have
supported Christian Polisic, and a lot of it's because I've
always compared international soccer stars with basketball stars and that
you know, Jokic is going to play for his country
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in the Olympics and in the NBA, and I've argued
that now we have and Tyler Adams is one of
these players. He's played for Leads and Germany. He's played,
he's been playing overseas making big money for years and years.
And my take is when athletes get to that level,
they should play for cash and then play for country
and then you know, the feeble World Basketball Championships. If
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you pass on that, you can play. But if you pass,
I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
To judge you.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And I feel a little bit like that, even though
Fox has that it's a gold cop and I'm totally
into it. I do think have we reconnected? Always good?
Ready to go? All right, let's bring him in. Tyler
Adams is now joining US, who turned pro at sixteen,
he's now twenty six. He's one of the old lads.
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He's one of the leaders. So I've been arguing, I've
been defending guys like you and Polisic. I say, listen,
when you're that good, just like Jokic in the NBA
or Lebron James, get paid for you, guys, that means
go overseas. For Yokic, it means come to the NBA
and then play for your country. So I call it
the cash in the country. Then if you don't want
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to participate in let's say a Gold Cup or a
Foeba Basketball World Championship, I'm okay with that because you
have literally elevated yourself to another status, and so I
defend that. I think Tyler, if you chose not to
play here, I'd be okay with it. I've defended Polisic.
Is my take a bad take? How do you view
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that that there are certain global athletes that may pass
on certain tournaments?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
How do you view that?
Speaker 10 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think is in a unique situation.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
You take Christian for instance, he's been playing with the
national team since he was sixteen, has seventy has been majorments,
and he chose to take arrest to recover for his
body and for him the amount of games he's played
at the age that he is, he deserves a break.
So I think everyone is in a different situation. You know,
I've missed a little bit of time with injuries. I
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felt okay to come into the tournament and that's why
I'm here, and I'm excited to represent my country with
this amazing team that we have.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
So everybody is in a completely different situation.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
But yeah, we're building on something special here and you know,
we have another big tournament.
Speaker 10 (26:36):
A lot of more guys are gonna be year.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So during the penalty kicks, I'm an absolute nervous wreck.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I can't even. It's like you can barely. You're sitting
on the couch thinking, oh what what is going through
your mind before you kick?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Tyler?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Have you decided on a side? Are you watching the
goalies instincts? Do you make a decision on what that
kick is going to look like?
Speaker 10 (27:06):
A little bit of everything.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
We have amazing analysts here in the club that said
up for for Suce. We've been practicing that every day
after training for the situation that we might be in them.
For myself, I walk up with confidence and know that,
you know, God forbid, I miss that teammate. How can
you look at our penalty shootout and our goalkeeper had
an amazing penalty shootout and he saved saved our team
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in a lot of situations. So you know, you have
to have confidence to be able to step up to
the spot. But our team did unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So you are a veteran on this team right now,
you're twenty six years old, turn pro, you've played over
in Europe. This group of young players you're playing with,
give me somebody I should keep my eye on, Give
me your sense of our kind of because it's you.
A couple other guys may make the World Cup team,
but what do you see with the next crop that
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are younger than you, that want to be Tyler Adams
in two to three years.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
There's so many good players in our grow I sell
a lot of these guys because for me, I came
from MLS. I was the first league that I played
in and a lot of our rosters built around MLS players,
and you could see that it's getting better better, because
if you have the opportunity to represent your national team,
you're doing something right. But you know, guys like Quinn
Sullivan Diego Luna, Jack McGlenn, Paxton Aaronson.
Speaker 10 (28:23):
A lot of these guys are makings for themselves.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
At the highest level, and if they're not to go
to Europe soon, they're gonna keep developing an MLS. So yeah,
there's a lot of bright prospects on our team right now.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
How important the World Cups in eleven months? Does winning this?
Does it matter? Does it create inertia or is it
one of those things like, listen, We're gonna have a
lot of different guys in the World Cup. Do you
think the Gold Cup matters? Just winning? Does it feel
different going into the next eleven months.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Playing in knockout game? I think is always an ex
experience that everyone's going to.
Speaker 10 (29:01):
Be able to take into the wors.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
For all of these guys on our team right now,
it's an experience that we might not have in the
in the next eleven months until the World Cup.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
So you want to have that feeling.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
You want to be able to go to penalties and
create this winning atmosphere because you know better than anyone
in covering sports, winning becomes contagious, and I think it's
a mentality that a lot of these young guys need
to develop, So we'll continue to build that and I think,
you know, winning this thing give a lot of excitement
to a lot of fans.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
If I'd never watched this team play with a new coach,
Mauricio Pochettino, if I've never seen it, describe how it
and I like for holder a lot, but describe some
of the subtle changes and nuances that feel a little
different with the new with the new guy.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
Yeah, the mentality that he's brought in for our team
now is he just wants just levens. You know, we
watch clips after games and after trainings from the commitment
of our team, whether it's you know, someone has a
bad play and that's the reaction of how we to
that situation. Eleven players sprinting back to defend our goal,
eleven prayer players sprinting forward to try and create chances
(30:06):
to score. Just becoming that exciting team again with that
US grit that that we've had.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
Over the years.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
So while maintaining that, how can we add a little
bit of quality in certain situations And obviously he's helping
us develop that.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Playing the World Cup on US soil. Do you view
it as a significant advantage, Tyler, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
It's an advantage and disadvantage, I think, because you know,
for a lot of players, if it's their first opportunity,
it will be a lot of pressure. It will be
more pressure than playing a World Cup abroad. The expectations
maybe aren't as high. I think for us, as as
catalysts in the sport and as role models for the
newer generation, we want to make sure we leave our
mark in this tournament. So going out there representing our
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country in the right way, winning games because that's what
people want to come and see, is the most important thing. So,
you know, for myself, I think the burden weighs a
little bit heavier, but think that's exciting.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
I think pressure is a privilege.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
What is the best part about playing with Christian Poolistic?
What does he do that you I mean, even if
you look at Leeds in your European experience, what does
Christian provide that even excellent European players, the best players
even on the national team. So so I think twenty seventeen,
what does Christian provide that even other good players don't.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
Yeah, listen, Chris is one of my best friends. Though
it's easy for me to say, you you know, we
grew up together from a young age. We went to
residency get together, and you know, for me, he was
a role model from a young age because watching him play,
there was always something special that he had that no
other player on the field has. For me, I'm pretty
good in offensive situations and reading player defenders, but there
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was something on him that it just made it look
so easy dribbling by players just it was just always gliding.
So yeah, he's a special player. He's a creative player,
and he just always show up in big moments. He
leads by example, that's for sure. So yeah, he's a
special player and we're lucky to have him.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Finally, Matt Freeze in goal during the penalty kicks. All
your years playing soccer, have you ever seen a goalie
stop three get his hands on two others? What were
you thinking watching Matt?
Speaker 9 (32:21):
Well, I mean I practiced pks on him and training,
so I was pretty confident in our chances going.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Into that situation.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
He said, he used to write papers out of saving
the k If you're not, you're probably going to set
yourself up forcess.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Hey, Tyler, appreciate you stopping by our show. Good luck
to you and the guys.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You bet Tyler Adams who has been on that team
captain of the last World Cup since twenty seventeen. He's
been a pro now for ten years, played in Leeds
Over in Germany, Bournemouth in the English Premier League, so
he's got a ton of international experience. And I just
think you get to a point where if you're elite,
you're making money overseas. You play in the World Cup.
(33:04):
If you want to plan this, great, If not, I'm
okay with it, all right, j mack, Well, you're gonna
be taken over for you.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
For a few days.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Got a mint left in the show? I appreciate it.
You have taken over the reins of the show. I
want to thank Tyler Adams, Urban Meyer, Albert Breer all
stop by today.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
What have we got before we go?
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Nothing? I just what are you gonna do for July fourth?
Are you a firework guy? Or are you more like
I'm gonna watch from a safe distance.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
No, I'm I like explosives. I'm a fireworks guy. And
I've said this before. My favorite holiday is fourth of July.
Really yeah, like like Christmas. Christmas when my kids were young,
Christmas was great. But anything it's too hot in the house.
I'm wearing a sweater in November. I know, I know.
(33:53):
I'm a fireworks guy. I mean, let's let's face it,
I'm gonna have a beer in my hand, fireworks, maybe
a cigar. That's a Mayre baby.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
All right, be safe out there, man.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
All right, you too. Thanks everybody for stopping by. I'll
be off for a while. Jmax takes the controls.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
There was about a fifteen year period that I thought
outside of Ohio State, Big ten schools just didn't have
the depth of talent that the LSUS and the Alabama's had.
Ohio State was sort of I used to call them
the SEC up North. They had the money, the facilities,
the coaching, But Michigan wanna Naty, Buckeyes Winnati. The two
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best players in the country next year are a receiver
in a corner Caleb Downs Jeremiah Smith or Buckeyes. And
I think Penn State has the best backfield in the country.
And I think I have the Nitney Lyons winning a Natty.
Although I think it's hard to you know, the journey
through the Big Ten now is tough because Washington and
USC are going to be better. Urban Meyer is now
joining US Urban for years and years you knew, and
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I knew, and the world knew the SEC was better.
And I don't know. I don't know who's better in
the middle or the tail end. But I think if
you took the top four teams today in the Big Ten,
which would be Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, and then
we can argue over for I think they are today
as good mine Lean is slightly better than the SEC.
(01:36):
Where are you at having coached in both conferences today?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
The transition of the Big Ten has been phenomenal. On
the triple option, we had James Franklin.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
We talked about that because.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
He came into the league a couple of years after
I did. In twenty twelve, calling it wasn't even close.
It was shocking. There were great players in the Big Ten,
but the stadium atmospheres were just okay. The depth of
talent was not there, and the certainly the bottom half
the Big Ten just wasn't very good. That's changed, that's
changed dramatically. The stadium atmospheres are incredible. The addition of
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the four teams for the Pac twelve, I mean, those
are four legit teams. And how about this stat this
is interesting. In nine there were twenty eight players drafted
average in the Big Ten. This past year there were
seventy one.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's over double.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So how do you measure conferences? Championships? Big Ten the
last two years? And those are two great teams, the
Wolverines and the Buckeys, great teams. But then the second
way to measure at the NFL and the SECS. I
think it's nineteen straight years they've had more draft picks
than everyone else. They still do, but the Big pen's
much closer.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, And I think you know, we sometimes because Michigan
and Ohio State and Penn State are such big brands,
we kind of forget about Washington and Oregon. And I've
said this before about Washington. Every time in my life
they've had a great coach, Don James, I mean new
(03:11):
Heisel got him to a Rose Bowl, Chris Peterson, Caylin
de Boorr. Every time they have an elite coach, they
end up in a playoff. And I don't think people
in the at least in the South. I think they
do in the Midwest. They don't understand how good Oregon
is as a football program, whereas the SEC added Texas
and Oklahoma. I think people view those as big brands.
(03:35):
Tell me how you view Oregon in Washington? Forget to
sc for a second. I don't think those schools get
the national respect. But I would argue Oregon and Washington
right now, are Oregon's better than Oklahoma? Washington's on the
same plateau? Where are you on that?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
I think nashally, Oregon's a different it's a different duck,
but it's everybody looks at Oregon now. I mean the uniforms,
the stadium, the success they've had. I think I actually
considered them a blue blood right now, even though they've
not won a national championship. The Washington now, I spend
time at Colorado State, I spent time at Utah's recruited
(04:15):
out West Washington is a diamond and like you said,
they've always had when they have Don James, they have
Brick new Heisl, they have some of those coaches, Chris Peterson.
You're in the national championship hunt. They were just recently
in the championship hunt with Kailen Debors. So you added
two great brands to the SEC. But I'll tell you what,
(04:35):
you got three legits and you just went how about this?
In the SEC? I count nine teams that are expected
to compete and win a national championship for years are
just three in the Big Ten outs five, So they've added.
There's been some really strength added to the Big Ten.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I think a lot of we all know the elite
and coaches in college. It feels like a young man's game,
and I think one of the advantages the Big Ten
has now. Franklin's a great recruiter, Ryan Day's a great recruiter.
Michigan has always been a solid. I think Dan Lanning
is a great recruiter. Also, a big nil USC now
(05:18):
has the number one twenty twenty six class Jed Fish
has always been even at Arizona, you got all sorts
of NFL guys. Is that the reality is the Big
Ten now has excellent recruiting coaches. That feels like a
big part of it. I mean, when you were in
the SEC, who was beating you in the Big Ten
for players? I think there's guys now in the Big
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Ten that go down south and pull players up.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I'm glad you brought that up, because this is real life.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I leave the SEC and I come to Ohio State
and there was something called a Gentleman's Agreement and the
Gentleman's coach Bilama got really pissed off at me when
we turned a couple players, and I didn't know gentlemen agreement.
I'm sure what that means. Recruiting, you got to go
get players. We had two kids from Ohio committed to Wisconsin.
Then we got them, we flipped them, and people were saying, well,
(06:07):
you know, in this conference, you don't do that, and
I was like, I don't. I not saw that anywhere
in my contract. That's not against the rules. I got
a job at Ohio State to go win games, so
I'm going to recruit whoever the heck we want to recruit.
So the recruiting has changed dramatically. Like you said, you
think about the Big Ten coaches that are elite recruiters.
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I'm not saying they weren't back in twenty twelve, but
there wasn't the emphasis on it is now. And as
a result, look at the difference. I just told you
seventy one players drafted in the Big Ten Conference last
year compared to twenty eight just ten years ago, fifteen
years ago.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
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Speaker 1 (07:23):
The recruiting has changed in college football. I you know,
I don't fight new stuffs. If new stuff comes in,
there's new rules, there's new cultures. I'm just gonna, you know,
I'm gonna try to figure out, like Rick Patino said
on my show recently, when the world changes, you can
you can fight it, or you can figure out a
way to solve the new world. If you were recruiting now,
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let's say you're a Buckeye and and you're recruiting or
a Gator, whatever it is, how would you attack the
NIL How would you attack it?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I would.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You got to get players, and I would attack it
the way the big schools are attacking it. I would
have find out. I would have distribution. I would have
a GM. I think Mark Pantoni, the guy we hired
here years ago, he still at Ohio State. I still
talk to him once in a while about how they
do this. But you know, you have to put emphasis
if they're if everybody's abiding by the same rules, which
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now they are.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
A year ago, it wasn't the case.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
You could go out and you spend and through the
collectives as much as you can. But I would put
premium on positions a lot like they do the NFL.
You got to pay what you got to pay for
a quarterback, for defense, ends, corners and receivers. You have
to do it. And I'd pay that center, so I would.
I would distribute and build the best team you could
possibly can. And that's that's kind of what the top
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teams are doing right now.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, the you know, it's funny how you perceive a
coach and how the public does. I've always loved Sark,
but I've said this about Sark. Great recruiter, great with quarterbacks, hustler.
Sometimes on the details. I kind of feel like he
lets the game flow and occasionally I'll watch him and
(09:06):
think it gets a little away from him. But again
I'm nitpicking. How do you view Sark when you do
a Texas game or you watch Texas? What do you see?
Does he have a trend? Does he have a tell like?
How do you view Sark?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Why have friends that are around Sark that know him well?
I know him fairly well. He's always been great to me.
I think he's the elite offense. I mean that, I'm
on to state the obvious. First, he's an elite offensive coach.
He was in the NFL, he was in college as
an assistant. As a head coach, they're always going to
be spectacular in offense. But a lot like Lincoln Riley,
is that you have to grow as a head coach.
(09:44):
You don't get championships for offense. That's not how this
game works. You get championships for great defense, not turning
the ball over, and efficient offense. And I think he's
grown into the position. He's still relatively young, even though
he's had some great jobs. Vim as one of the
top coaches in the country, and that's why I got
Texas is.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I haven't picked them for sure yet, but I'm still
studying it.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
But I think most people have that preseason number one
with a returning quarterback.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
You know a program you know well as LSU, and
I like Brian Kelly, but it is a again, you
are recruiting your own players. You're everything's moving, and I
Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley. I look at him and
I think it doesn't quite look like I think it
should look yet, and Saban got out of it. I
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saw in college basketball coach k and Jay Wright are
like a young man's game.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm getting out of this.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Let's say LSU is okay this year. Now I like
their quarterback. I think they're going to be better than okay.
But is there an argument with all the movement, there's
no off season that for the guys that are post sixty,
it's harder now than it's ever been.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Well, you got to connect with players, and you look
at the best connecting guys and it's it's real as
the younger the younger generation, and that's always been kind
of the the facts of coaching players. You know, you
have young guys on your staff. A big part of
that is what to read the locker room, to let
you know the locker room. So Brian Kelly, I admire him,
we're friends. We coached against each other. I visited his programs,
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he's visited mine. To think that he's still coaching, I
you know, I didn't see that happening. And then he
saw an opportunity at LSU. And I'll tell you this
about Brian Kelly's driven and he wants that national championship
and then you don't move from South Bend.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
He did it for one reason and that's to go
get that crystal ball.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
So I know it's driving.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Him and he's he's one of those guys when he
when he pushes really hard, great things happened. So yeah,
I didn't I didn't see that when happening. I didn't
see him coaching this long. But when he saw that
opportunity showed up at LSU, we actually talked about it
a couple of years ago. He just thinks that spectacular
and the chance he can win it all.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Finally, you guys at Ohio State, you picked up produced
tight end again, another exceptional class. It's Caleb Downs, It's
Jeremiah Smith. Everybody loves the quarterback. If I said, give
me your top three teams in the country, just in personnel,
I don't want to look at this schedule. If I
just said, like last year, by the end of the year,
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Ohio State had more good players than everybody. They looked
like those Alabama teams where they were like Tyson in
their prime. People were getting intimidated. Name the three best
rosters right now, personnel in America.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, you said, you guys at Ohio State. I'm at
Fox I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I was.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Texas, Texas, Ohio State and Penn State is following the
lead of the Wolverines and the Buckeyes, and that is
they have more seniors. Think about this, colin, that I'd
never had a chance to coach fourth year players if
I did, is very rare. And the difference between a
fourth year player and a rookie or a freshman is
night and day. You're coaching grown ass men. You're coaching
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that's a that's a men's locker room compared to young person.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
So I watch out for Penn State. Man.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
If Drew Aller can really improve as a quarterback, I
agree with you. To get the best backfield. I don't
think it's close in the country. They got an offensive
line that they can't wait to get on the field.
So yeah, I think Penn State, Texas, and Ohio State
are three most talented.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, Urban Meyer, there's a golf course waiting.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
There's a four iron waiting for you to grab it.
So I have first chased by I'll see it, Gina
and George Etti's in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
And day tell me when you're in town.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I'm ready for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So Michigan, Michigan two years ago, Ohio State last year.
Penn States might call to beat Texas in the National Championship.
You know, keep your eye on Oregon. Yeah, keep your
eye on Oregon. But I think they're really good. Ohio
State will obviously be good. Jmack with the News, No, no,
(14:01):
this is the herd line. You're so fired up for college.
But you know what, you know how irritating that's going
to be to SEC fans if it goes Michigan, Ohio State,
Penn State, that's going to be irritating. The tide has turned,
my friend, the big ten at the top is better
than the SEC. If Ohio, If Penn State wins this year,
you can't argue it it's over.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
This is quite a leap to Penn State winning the NATTI.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:26):
I know you're a Midwest guy now, but next time
you come out west, you want to hit Vegas. Put
some money where your mouth is on Penn State. I
come on, really, you think it win in the National Javyshop.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
First round running back, first round quarterback, and as as
Urban said, uh, very very talented. All that. They've always
recruited the old line, they're gonna be really and Franklin
is an elite recruiter. You know, Penn State's one of
those programs because it's out in the middle of nowhere.
It gets you know, it's independent for years and years
Joe Paterno and it was up there and they over
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the hills. And let me tell you something, facility, fan base, revenue, athletes,
it's a real deal.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
We got a family member going to We have freshman
at Penn.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
State next here.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
So I'll be something of a fan for the Ninny Lions,
but can't get on board with Naddy. All right, let's
go to the NFL. Colin Travis Hunter. He's one of
the big names to watch this season. The new Jaguars
wide receiver slash dB. Well, his teammate Josh Heinz Allen
the pass rusher, gave his two cents on the Travis
Hunter playing both ways situation during an appearance on The
(15:35):
Rich Eisen Show.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
What plagues every NFL player or any professional athlete his injuries.
I think if he can allow himself to stay healthy, yes,
and take care of that getting the hyperbaric scene. Yeah,
I think. I think he has a great career ahead
of him both sides of the ball. Again, if he's
the best dB, is he the best wide receiver?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Who knows?
Speaker 6 (15:57):
But is he a great playmaker on both sides of ye?
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Yes he is. Wow. I mean I can't wait to
watch him.
Speaker 7 (16:04):
Are we getting a little too excited for a rookie?
Are you putting too much presser on this kid? Is
he a great playmaker on both sides of the football?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Yeah? He was at Colorado.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
No, I think we have to be on it. The
NFL is different than the NBA. Is that Micah Parsons
walked into the NFL Aiden hushes and walked in, Jared
Vers walked in. I mean, you can guys, first round
talent walk in and oh wow, they're really great.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
We see it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Jaden Daniels walks in and you're like, is he a
top six quarterback in the league. This is not college
basketball or college baseball where you go to the miners.
These guys come out with three and four years against
NFL players. Brian Thomas last year like, I mean that
harball loved him. They took a tackle instead. So I
think there's no I mean, I think he'll walk on
(16:54):
the field. I think he's the best athlete right now
Jacksonville has, and I think all the players know he's
about tow doesn't mean to be the best player, right
but in terms of best athlete, I think Jacksonville players
look around and go, yeah, that guy's probably our best athlete.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Pretty good.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
All right, let's stay in the NFL. Go to Kyler Murray.
We touched on him earlier. Is he going to be
a flash point this season?
Speaker 9 (17:12):
Colin?
Speaker 7 (17:13):
We will see.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
He's just had a rough few seasons.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Last season was the first time since twenty twenty that
Kyler started all seventeen games.
Speaker 8 (17:21):
Had over four thousand yards and twenty six touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
However, his teammate Buddha Baker believes Kyler is the NFL's
most underrated quarterback, adding he's kind of been in his
bag the whole offseason. He's gonna do it all. I
don't know, I think underrated quarterback. I do not think
Kyler Murray. I would go the opposite way, he's a
little overrated. Do you consider Kyler Murray underrated?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
No, I think he's rated exactly where he should be.
Stop a little small, a little distracted. I think, you know,
I mean, I think I think by and large, in
this league, quarterbacks are I mean, we can argue, where
is Jalen Hurt six or nine?
Speaker 7 (18:04):
Five?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
You know, I think brock perty is closer to fifteen.
You think he's closer to seven. We can argue about
guys like that. But by and large, I think I
think one of the things that's absolutely fairly rated is
NFL quarterbacks. I think I think by and large we
all know the top four or five, and then we
have a sense of the next six or seven, and
(18:26):
I think Kyler is on the out of that. You know,
he's like in that thirteen ish twelve to fifteen sixteen,
And I think that's I think he's got.
Speaker 8 (18:34):
Hold hold up?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Is that on talent and potential or what he's shown
because those are.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
Two very different things.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
What I've seen on the field, he's somewhere between thirteen
and sixteen in terms of Sunday opening kickoff. He's my quarterback.
Here's what's going to happen. And I think I think
I don't think there's a position in the NFL in
sports that it's because we talk about it so much.
It's very fairly. Again, we can argue about Brock Purby.
(19:04):
There's always one guy. For years and years people were
critical of Lamar Jackson. The guy wins seventy six percent
of his games. He's somewhere in the top six or seven.
I think he's closer to four than he is to eight.
But you know, Jalen hurts to me because of their
O line and run game and star talent. It's a
little overinflated. When Greg Cosell comes on for years, which
he did by the way, with Russell Wilson and says
(19:26):
he doesn't see the field.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Great.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
I trust Greg Cosell over fans and media, so but
most quarterbacks we kind of know what if I say
a name of a quarterback and you and I put
a number on it, our number usually is going to
be fairly close.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Oh, I like Greg Cosell seems like a nice guy.
Never I think I didn't meet him actually at the
super Bowl. But Colin, like, we have a lot of
data that shows Jalen Hurts is winning from the pocket.
He's winning big games, He's putting up huge numbers. Just
because some games he doesn't pass a lot. I think
we're giving him an unfair like shake when it comes
to Kyler Murray, Colin, he has the same number of
(20:03):
playoff wins. Let me see Justin Herbert Tua.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
I think at.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Once, if Kyler Murray too and Justin Herbert are on
the market, think like a GM your owner would fire
you if you didn't take Justin Hurt Justin Herbert obviously easily.
Now you got to contextualized playoff wins. If you're six
or five with a big arm and move, and you're
smart with a four to two major in biology, I'm
gonna take you over to and Jalen Hurt. If I
(20:31):
gave you Jalen Hurts or Kyler Murray, who you take it.
You tend to look at wins. I tend to try
to look at traits. You and I just see quarterback differently.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I'm trace.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I'm not gonna look at Wins.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
I look at Trey not always Jalen Hurts or Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Who would you take Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 7 (20:48):
Yeah, he's scared there for a moment. Calary, All right,
final story. Let's go to baseball.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Colin.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Today is a special.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
Date, July first, Bobby Bonia Day, reminding all Mets fans
that they owe Bobby Bonia another one point two million dollars.
One of the wildest contracts in sports history goes.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
All the way back to two thousand.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
So the metsid wanted to buy out Bobby Bonia, and
instead of paying it out in full, they decided they'd
make annual payments of one point two million for twenty
five years. So Colin, up until twenty thirty five, Bobby
Bonia is going to get one point two million dollars.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
There's It's similar to the lottery. You win, like a
big lottery.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Do you want the instant payout or do you want
the annuity where you get every year you get XM L.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Well, if you trust yourself and have discipline, you take
the money immediately and investor invest it. You know, athletes historically,
you know I would probably say athletes should take the
money over the course of twenty five years. The rule
on the lottery, I've all this is a fascinating topic
to me.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
The rule on the lottery has always.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Been, you take the money up front, you take the
big money, don't worry about to pay out. But here's
the downside. What if you take the money up front
COVID hits market crashes. WHOA if you take it over
twenty five years, You're not beholden to a hot market.
You're not in trouble with a cool market. Is We've
had market crashes about over the course of the dal
(22:15):
Jones every seven years, you get turbulence. It's doing very
well now, but I do think there's peace of mind.
Like a lot of people pay off their homes. They
tell you should not pay off your home, but a
lot of people do because they want to sleep at night,
they want the home.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
They don't want to think about it.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So I've thought about this, if I sold a company,
or if I how would I want the payouts? And
my takeaways always been I'm boring and disciplined, so I
take the money up front. But I think Bobby Benia
probably thought you know what, man, this is easy. I
just a twenty five year annuity million point two a year.
I don't have a problem with it.
Speaker 7 (22:51):
So it's interesting. Our producer put together a list of names.
Bobby Bunia is currently.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Getting paid more than these young.
Speaker 7 (22:58):
Baseball stars, and the jumps out as the Pirates pitcher
Paul Skeens, who is like a phenom in a superstar.
Bobby Bonia, who's been out of the league for like
sixteen years, is making more money than him. It's just
a genius contract. Applauding Bobby Bonia, wish more athletes kind
of fought like he did.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
J Mackle the news, Well that's the news, and thanks
for stopping by the Herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, they're on a four game friendly losing shriek. They
are now in the Semis. Tyler Adams the United States
men's national team, looking forward to it joining us next.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
in noon Eastern non a em Pacific.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
The Road to twenty twenty six continues tomorrow on FS
one with the Gold Cup Semifinal as the US men's
national team that takes on Guatemada.
Speaker 8 (23:47):
No easy path, no second Chances.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
Coverage begins tomorrow six Eastern on FS one.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Tyler Adams was the captain of the last World Cup team.
So I have been on this thing where I have
supported Christian Polisic, and a lot of it's because I've
always compared international soccer stars with basketball stars and that
you know, Jokic is going to play for his country
(24:15):
in the Olympics and in the NBA, and I've argued
that now we have and Tyler Adams is one of
these players. He's played for Leads and Germany. He's played,
he's been playing overseas making big money for years and years.
And my take is when athletes get to that level,
they should play for cash and then play for country
and then you know, the feeble World Basketball Championships. If
(24:38):
you pass on that, you can play. But if you pass,
I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
To judge you.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
And I feel a little bit like that, even though
Fox has that it's a gold cop and I'm totally
into it. I do think have we reconnected? Always good?
Ready to go? All right, let's bring him in. Tyler
Adams is now joining US, who turned pro at sixteen,
he's now twenty six. He's one of the old lads.
(25:05):
He's one of the leaders. So I've been arguing, I've
been defending guys like you and Polisic. I say, listen,
when you're that good, just like Jokic in the NBA
or Lebron James, get paid for you, guys, that means
go overseas. For Yokic, it means come to the NBA
and then play for your country. So I call it
the cash in the country. Then if you don't want
(25:28):
to participate in let's say a Gold Cup or a
Foeba Basketball World Championship, I'm okay with that because you
have literally elevated yourself to another status, and so I
defend that. I think Tyler, if you chose not to
play here, I'd be okay with it. I've defended Polisic.
Is my take a bad take? How do you view
(25:49):
that that there are certain global athletes that may pass
on certain tournaments?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
How do you view that?
Speaker 10 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, I think is in a unique situation.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 9 (26:02):
You take Christian for instance, he's been playing with the
national team since he was sixteen, has seventy has been majorments,
and he chose to take arrest to recover for his
body and for him the amount of games he's played
at the age that he is, he deserves a break.
So I think everyone is in a different situation. You know,
I've missed a little bit of time with injuries. I
(26:23):
felt okay to come into the tournament and that's why
I'm here, and I'm excited to represent my country with
this amazing team that we have.
Speaker 10 (26:28):
So everybody is in a completely different situation.
Speaker 9 (26:32):
But yeah, we're building on something special here and you know,
we have another big tournament.
Speaker 10 (26:36):
A lot of more guys are gonna be year.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
So during the penalty kicks, I'm an absolute nervous wreck.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
I can't even. It's like you can barely. You're sitting
on the couch thinking, oh what what is going through
your mind before you kick?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Tyler?
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Have you decided on a side? Are you watching the
goalies instincts? Do you make a decision on what that
kick is going to look like?
Speaker 10 (27:06):
A little bit of everything.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
We have amazing analysts here in the club that said
up for for Suce. We've been practicing that every day
after training for the situation that we might be in them.
For myself, I walk up with confidence and know that,
you know, God forbid, I miss that teammate. How can
you look at our penalty shootout and our goalkeeper had
an amazing penalty shootout and he saved saved our team
(27:27):
in a lot of situations. So you know, you have
to have confidence to be able to step up to
the spot. But our team did unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
So you are a veteran on this team right now,
you're twenty six years old, turn pro, you've played over
in Europe. This group of young players you're playing with,
give me somebody I should keep my eye on, Give
me your sense of our kind of because it's you.
A couple other guys may make the World Cup team,
but what do you see with the next crop that
(27:56):
are younger than you, that want to be Tyler Adams
in two to three years.
Speaker 9 (28:01):
There's so many good players in our grow I sell
a lot of these guys because for me, I came
from MLS. I was the first league that I played
in and a lot of our rosters built around MLS players,
and you could see that it's getting better better, because
if you have the opportunity to represent your national team,
you're doing something right. But you know, guys like Quinn
Sullivan Diego Luna, Jack McGlenn, Paxton Aaronson.
Speaker 10 (28:23):
A lot of these guys are makings for themselves.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
At the highest level, and if they're not to go
to Europe soon, they're gonna keep developing an MLS. So yeah,
there's a lot of bright prospects on our team right now.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
How important the World Cups in eleven months? Does winning this?
Does it matter? Does it create inertia or is it
one of those things like, listen, We're gonna have a
lot of different guys in the World Cup. Do you
think the Gold Cup matters? Just winning? Does it feel
different going into the next eleven months.
Speaker 9 (28:58):
Playing in knockout game? I think is always an ex
experience that everyone's going to.
Speaker 10 (29:01):
Be able to take into the wors.
Speaker 9 (29:03):
For all of these guys on our team right now,
it's an experience that we might not have in the
in the next eleven months until the World Cup.
Speaker 10 (29:10):
So you want to have that feeling.
Speaker 9 (29:11):
You want to be able to go to penalties and
create this winning atmosphere because you know better than anyone
in covering sports, winning becomes contagious, and I think it's
a mentality that a lot of these young guys need
to develop, So we'll continue to build that and I think,
you know, winning this thing give a lot of excitement
to a lot of fans.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
If I'd never watched this team play with a new coach,
Mauricio Pochettino, if I've never seen it, describe how it
and I like for holder a lot, but describe some
of the subtle changes and nuances that feel a little
different with the new with the new guy.
Speaker 9 (29:44):
Yeah, the mentality that he's brought in for our team
now is he just wants just levens. You know, we
watch clips after games and after trainings from the commitment
of our team, whether it's you know, someone has a
bad play and that's the reaction of how we to
that situation. Eleven players sprinting back to defend our goal,
eleven prayer players sprinting forward to try and create chances
(30:06):
to score. Just becoming that exciting team again with that
US grit that that we've had.
Speaker 10 (30:11):
Over the years.
Speaker 9 (30:12):
So while maintaining that, how can we add a little
bit of quality in certain situations And obviously he's helping
us develop that.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Playing the World Cup on US soil. Do you view
it as a significant advantage, Tyler, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
It's an advantage and disadvantage, I think, because you know,
for a lot of players, if it's their first opportunity,
it will be a lot of pressure. It will be
more pressure than playing a World Cup abroad. The expectations
maybe aren't as high. I think for us, as as
catalysts in the sport and as role models for the
newer generation, we want to make sure we leave our
mark in this tournament. So going out there representing our
(30:50):
country in the right way, winning games because that's what
people want to come and see, is the most important thing. So,
you know, for myself, I think the burden weighs a
little bit heavier, but think that's exciting.
Speaker 10 (31:00):
I think pressure is a privilege.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
What is the best part about playing with Christian Poolistic?
What does he do that you I mean, even if
you look at Leeds in your European experience, what does
Christian provide that even excellent European players, the best players
even on the national team. So so I think twenty seventeen,
what does Christian provide that even other good players don't.
Speaker 9 (31:27):
Yeah, listen, Chris is one of my best friends. Though
it's easy for me to say, you you know, we
grew up together from a young age. We went to
residency get together, and you know, for me, he was
a role model from a young age because watching him play,
there was always something special that he had that no
other player on the field has. For me, I'm pretty
good in offensive situations and reading player defenders, but there
(31:49):
was something on him that it just made it look
so easy dribbling by players just it was just always gliding.
So yeah, he's a special player. He's a creative player,
and he just always show up in big moments. He
leads by example, that's for sure. So yeah, he's a
special player and we're lucky to have him.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Finally, Matt Freeze in goal during the penalty kicks. All
your years playing soccer, have you ever seen a goalie
stop three get his hands on two others? What were
you thinking watching Matt?
Speaker 9 (32:21):
Well, I mean I practiced pks on him and training,
so I was pretty confident in our chances going.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
Into that situation.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
He said, he used to write papers out of saving
the k If you're not, you're probably going to set
yourself up forcess.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Hey, Tyler, appreciate you stopping by our show. Good luck
to you and the guys.
Speaker 10 (32:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
You bet Tyler Adams who has been on that team
captain of the last World Cup since twenty seventeen. He's
been a pro now for ten years, played in Leeds
Over in Germany, Bournemouth in the English Premier League, so
he's got a ton of international experience. And I just
think you get to a point where if you're elite,
you're making money overseas. You play in the World Cup.
(33:04):
If you want to plan this, great, If not, I'm
okay with it, all right, j mack, Well, you're gonna
be taken over for you.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
For a few days.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Got a mint left in the show? I appreciate it.
You have taken over the reins of the show. I
want to thank Tyler Adams, Urban Meyer, Albert Breer all
stop by today.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Anything.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
What have we got before we go?
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Nothing? I just what are you gonna do for July fourth?
Are you a firework guy? Or are you more like
I'm gonna watch from a safe distance.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
No, I'm I like explosives. I'm a fireworks guy. And
I've said this before. My favorite holiday is fourth of July.
Really yeah, like like Christmas. Christmas when my kids were young,
Christmas was great. But anything it's too hot in the house.
I'm wearing a sweater in November. I know, I know.
(33:53):
I'm a fireworks guy. I mean, let's let's face it,
I'm gonna have a beer in my hand, fireworks, maybe
a cigar. That's a Mayre baby.
Speaker 8 (34:00):
All right, be safe out there, man.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
All right, you too. Thanks everybody for stopping by. I'll
be off for a while. Jmax takes the controls.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
It's hurt
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