July 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Colin points out LeBron James remains in total control and rumors about his future continue swirl as he’s the only player in the NBA with a no-trade clause
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday. We are live.
It is the Herd. Lots of choices out there. Thanks
for making out a part of your day, wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. So there's
a lot of news out there, a lot of news
out there, some of it heard, generated, and we'll react
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to all of it. Jmat I swear this is the
last time I'm going to talk about this story because
it's going to go away. I think it's going to
just like disappear and vanish into the ether. About Lebron
James being traded have changed, So I want to just
say for them, I hope this is the final time
I talk about it. But something that's not being discussed.
I saw the Athletic yesterday acknowledged Lebron James in a buyout.
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Lebron James in a trade has not been discussed by
the Lakers. So this to me has always been a
nothing burger. It's July. It's slow bread crumbs becomes stories, folks.
Lebron has a no trade clause. He's still in control
here year twenty three. Michael Jordan was not in control
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like this. Michael Jordan had a bad contract. It's first
ten years in the league, Bird Magic. They weren't in
control like this. I don't know if Brady was until
the end, right, I mean they drafted Garoppolo. They wanted
it out sooner. Lebron's in year twenty three. He's the
only NBA player with a no trade clause. Now, I
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would go to Dallas in a trade. If I could
play alongside Anthony Davis again, rookie Cooper Flag, and Derek Lively.
I'd go in a heartbeat with a better coach and
Jason Kidd. But Lebron's not going to get traded unless
he says yes. And where are you going to put him?
Where would Lebron outside of a Dallas lineup? If he
could play with Kyrie and Ad again in Cooper Flag,
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Derek Lively, they'd have to involve with a third team.
That's interesting. But because the Lakers were such a circus
when Lebron arrived in LA, they have been caving to
him and should be since day one. Again, Jordan didn't
have this kind of power. Brady didn't have this kind
of power. He was taking paycots. So honestly, the Lakers
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for the last fifteen years, a lot of them have
been poorly run. I mean, if you look at the
five years before Lebron arrived in Los Angeles, I mean,
it's hard to get your arms around. They had the
worst record in the NBA, worse than the Wizards, much
worse than the Washington Wizards. And so the one advantage,
the one advantage of going to a poor, early run
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business and that's what the Lakers were when Lebron arrived,
is you get a lot more power. I mean, Aaron
Rodgers with the Jets got him to hire Nat Hackett.
Is the OC overpay for Alan Lazard. You're not doing
that with the Ravens, you know, you're not doing that
with the Rams. I mean, Matt Stafford didn't have that
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kind of control when he came to the Rams. This year.
With the Rams and Stafford, they're like here's the number.
This is it. But when Sean Payton goes to the
messy Broncos Power, Lebron goes to the Lakers ultimate power.
So and I think that's the one advantage. Now, generally
it doesn't work out well because the player takes advantage
of it. But Sean Payton didn't, Aaron Rodgers did, and
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Lebron hasn't. I didn't like the Russell Westbrook move. Lebron
said it wasn't mine, but we all know what kind
of was. So, but just think about this. There is
one player in the entire NBA one, not Yo Kitch,
not SG, not Ant, not Steph Curry. There's one player
in the NBA with a no trade clause, Lebron James,
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forty year old Lebron James. So people can talk about
this all they want about. He's going to go here,
He's going to go there. The Oklahoma City Thunder. Sam
Presty runs the organization. One of the reasons Lebron left
Miami because pat Riley ran the organization. So Lebron has
largely been running this place for years, and thankfully he
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generally makes the good basketball decisions. He and Rich Paul
got Anthony Davis in here and in the COVID year
they won the title. They're not going to win the
title this year. But this idea that there's going to
be a trade and there's going to be a buyout,
Lebron has a no trade contract, and I think the
only place that he would look at and go, all right,
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that's interesting. I believe it's Dallas. If he could play
with a rim protector and Derek Lively, a phenomenal domestic
rookie in Cooper Flag and ad again, and I think
he'd have to sit down and listen to that one
because that team, I think Lebron's still a top ten
player and still in year twenty three, has more power
than any NBA player ever. All Right, speaking of power,
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Nick Saban had a lot for a long time and
still does so. Greg McElroy and a pretty smart guy.
He is a big radio star in Alabama, and he
said this week that people he trusts are telling him
that Nick Saban is going to come back and coach.
He is hearing that Nick Saban could come back and coach.
So I believe this is true, but it's not Alabama.
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So let me squash the Alabama rumors. They're not going
to happen. Alabama doesn't have the money. They're struggling to
stay afloat in NIL. They can't compete with Texas and
Oregon and Ohio State in the NIL world. They'd have
to buy out Caitlin de Bor for about seventy million,
and Nick would cost him fifteen million a year. They
are I got news for her. They're a mid size
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bank and Ohio, Io State, Oregon, Texas are JP Morgan,
They're Deutsche Bank. They don't have the money these days
to buy out Kaitlin de boor fifteen million to eighteen
million for NIL and buy Nick Saban. They are a
credit union where Grandma still puts her money in. Texas
is Rockefeller, Capital is Blackstone. So that's not happening now.
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As I talked about yesterday, Nick Saban to the NFL,
just to the numbers, seven coaches annually on average get
fired seven Okay. Secondly, coordinators hit thirty percent of the time.
And the other thing to think about is, like Pete Carroll,
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Nick Saban may be older, but he doesn't look, act
or feel old like Belichick does. He's always been an innovator.
I mean he literally when he got to Alabama, it
was all about defensive ends, defensive tackle, linebackers and corners.
Lane Kiffin shows up and from that point forward, they
were about wide receivers, left tackles, and quarterbacks. A lot
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of old people age. Well, Nick Saban is one of them.
Andy Reid's another one. And I told you this, this
is an innovator. He's not going to college. Remember because
of the NIL to buy out these coaches, which used
to happen all the time. You write a forty million
dollar check. Well, now coaches that check is like sixty
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to seventy million, Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly or at
Kaitlin Devor and you got to raise twenty million dollars
a year for the nil's stash. So and you'd have
to pay Saban fifteen. It's not happening. Bama does not
have those kind of boosters. They don't. Texas does. And
Nick Saban knew two years before he left college football.
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He was grumbling about the money that Texas and Austin
was raising in their billionaire donors. The NFL thing with Saban,
I think he'll get frustrated with being an analyst. I
think deep down he's always felt he's every bit the
coach of Belichick, but we don't mention him as one
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of the all time great coaches because he's a college guy.
Albert Breer yesterday on the always innovative, maybe old but
feels young.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Nick Saban, the one thing about Dallas that people misunderstand is, yes,
Jerry's involved in football, but the coach is involved in
scouting too. Like the coach is involved in putting the
team together, and that's always been the way that it's
been run there in that Like they've got a really
good personnel department. Will McLay does a great job, but
they've always involved the coach and how the team is
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put together. If Jerry was going to do this, part
of it would be are you willing to take a
back seat and move away from the spotlight for a
little bit to see if Nick Saban can come and
do it?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, And the reason we talk Saban the Schottenheimer thing
is not going to work. Jerry's now eighty two. I
think he's much less patient than he was fifteen years ago.
And Saban and the Cowboys feels huge. Just think of
what Jim Harbaugh to the second most popular team in
LA felt like Harbor to the Chargers changed their ticket sales,
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advertising money, merchandise sales changed everything felt it felt like
a quake. It was huge. Saban plus the Cowboys just
how does that right now? Dallas Cowboys have a problem.
I mean they really do. For free agents, they have
a problem. They have a credibility issue. Like free agents
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not that interested. Saban gives them instant credibility. So Albert
and I talked about this yesterday for over ten minutes.
I think Saban, and I don't think he's wrong here.
I think Saban And for years and years I said
about Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh's as good a football coach as
the history of football has ever had. But we mentioned Schulen,
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Belichick and Andy Reid. And that's why Jim Harball wanted
to go back to the pros with a legitimate quarterback.
Is that I think Nick Saban, like Harbaugh, feels like, yeah,
I dominated college football and if Drew Brees would have
been given the physical, okay, I would be viewed among
the greatest coaches of all time. But if you dominate
college football, you can be Woody Hayes, Bear Bryant. You
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don't get mentioned among the greatest coaches of all time.
You got to succeed at the highest level of coaching.
And I think Saban, like Pete Carroll, feels ten years
younger and thinks like he's ten years younger than he is.
A lot of old guys don't age well. Saban does.
I'm telling you, this is my summer prediction. Katie to
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the Warriors, that was nuts too. Belichick to North Carolina,
that was nuts too. Mavericks trading Luca to arrival Lakers
in the West. That sounded nuts too. This is my
boldest prediction of the summer. You got to have one,
and this is mine. I know, Jay Mac, you're not
rolling your eyes necessarily because there are seven openings annually
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in this league. And by the way, just say it
out loud. Saban to the Cowboys. Jerry loves his team
being talked about on TV, Romo on CBS, Aikman on ESPN,
Michael Irvin forever on the NFL network. He loves that.
You can say what you want about Jerry. But a
lot of times there's been a criticism he cares more
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about the marketing than the actual Super Bowl winning. He's
got those, so I think it's in play.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah, Colin, I'll say that's a spicy take to start
the show. But what's the saying right Church wrong pew.
I'm sure you've heard that. I do think save In
to the NFL makes sense, But remember what happened in Miami.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
When he went to Miami. He wanted Drew Brees.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
He had Drew Brees locked in and the doctors didn't
clear breeze, so he had to settle for Culpepper got
the hell out of town. Quarterback matters for Saban, Colin,
unless they go three and fourteen and can get arch Manning.
I don't think that Dak Prescott gets Saban to the Cowboys.
But I think the team to watch would be the
Buffalo Bills if they slip up in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
They are favorites and they want to run.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Out McDermott, Saban plus Josh Allen in Buffalo getting the
Bills finally that super Bowl that's been elusive.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Think of it that. It's really interesting. So Jim Harbaugh,
why did there were rumors about Harbaugh of the NFL
for years? Why did he wait for the Chargers? Justin
Herbert right, Because when he came to the NFL, it
was Kaepernick, it was Alex Smith, and he could never
really get the quarterback position to be super elite consistently.
So Harbaugh kept waiting. He figured it out. I gotta
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have the right quarterback. We've talked about this with Sean McDermott.
I think Sean's good, but he can't get pas like
Mickelson and Tiger Woods in his prime like it. There's difference,
and I do think I think think that's out there.
I think Dallas is out there. Remember never forget this.
Next year's quarterback draft class is really strong. So if
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you're going to go to a Dallas, Okay Buffalo, you
got the quarterback. If you're going to go to get
a job. Next year is a perfect year. And I
do believe Dallas is a six win team this year.
I really do. I think they're a six win team
that puts them top ten. So you wouldn't have to
give up a ton of draft capital to get your
quarterback your choice.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Is there a potential?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
This is a little goofy, but Cleveland Browns have no
quarterback this year. Coach gets blown out, Hey we got
the first pick arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I don't want to go to Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well, what if Nick Saban goes to Cleveland. I think
he spent some time there in the past. Is there
a world where save and says, I'll take Arch Manning
as my future quarterback in the NFL if I can
get him.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Well, the Mannings know Nick Saban very well. Yes, I'll
just leave it at that.
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According to Mary Kay Cabot, she does think when camp
starts today that he has a legitimate shot to be
the starting quarterback. So in my life kind of being
around the NFL, thirty years of doing this talk show stuff,
covering the NFL, having sources and reporting on it, I
don't think there's ever been a player where there's a
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wider variance of opinion between the media and NFL executives.
The media, myself included, saw him as a B prospect,
a good, solid in a very very weak quarterback draft class.
Certainly arguable first round prospect, maybe a second third round talent,
but you know, solid, good family DNA, moved well, historically, accurate,
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a good kid, not a bad kid. Certainly a better
prospect than first rounder Kenny Pickett by far, I think
a much safer prospect than Will Levis, who went second
round of the Titans. You know, again, I thought he
was a solid B prospect, crazy accurate, bad offensive line
in college, no run game, and against good teams, was
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always productive without a lot of mistakes, and yet he
slid to the fifth round and there's an argument, I
don't know, sixth or seventh round or undrafted if not
for Jimmy Haslam, the impulsive and medaling Cleveland owner. So
how he is viewed by the NFL and the professionals
there who I respect and trust, and how he's viewed
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by everybody else, it's an incredible gap. Bailey Zappi got
drafted higher. So it's like no Madland that won the
Oscar and the public had no interest in watching it.
It made like three point seven million dollars, and not
every Oscar winner is Oppenheim, Oppenheimer or you know, you
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name your Oscar winner that gets big gate. But like
no Madland was, Hollywood loved it, the public not remotely interested.
So I don't know what to make of it. I mean,
listen the fact that Louis Tyler Shuck, who is twenty five,
going to be twenty six when the season starts. He
had a singular throw at the combine. That just a
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singular moment, a singular throw, the one where he's backpedaling
side arms it that to me, seventh round like that
play alone, indoors has rushed and he went second round
of the Saints. So I don't don't. I don't get it.
I'm really interested to watch it because I think generally
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I'm within half a round of where a guy goes.
I saw Jackson Dart as more of a mid second.
He went late first. That's okay, Will Levis, I thought
I liked him initially, and then I've got the third round.
I mean, I get surprised from time to time, but
late first, early second falls to the fifth and may
have been undrafted. If you fall to the fifth, you
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can fall further than the fifth. So we'll wait and see.
Mary Kay Cabot, who I've trusted for years, says, nobody's
blowing anybody away here, nobody's blowing anybody away. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Titanic and Oppenheimer, they were both box office smashes, and
the critics loved them. Not so much with Nomad like.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I can blow you away with this Herdline segment, Colin,
Let's start with Michael Parsons. You know he's still angling
for his big contract. He's only making twenty four million
this season only Colin, he's severely underpaid at his position.
But he knows the Cowboys will pay him, whether his
number is impacted by other head rushers or not.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I was gonna get mine no matter what, you know
what I mean, Like the markets change every year. Their
salar cat went up like another eighteen percent to share
day numbers got nothing to do with mine and my
numbers in nine got to do it. I'm like, I'm
younger Henderson. I mean, Hutchingon is coming off of injury. Like,
everyone's circumstances is completely different. Hutch is coming off this
per year. Usually guys with four years, so it's just
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odd to pens why. I mean, he's up there with Myles,
So you know, it's different. Everyone's circumstances different.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, he'll get his. I would move him and get
a bunch of picks for next draft. I would move
him if I had to, and get I'd get another
first round pick. And so because I need a quarterback
potentially if you get a new coach. I know that's
crazy talk, right, but I again, there's seven offensive tackles,
eight quarterbacks maybe tops that I would never take a
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call on. And then I would not take a call
on Jalen Carter. I would not take a call on
Jared Verse, Miles Garrett, virtually everybody else in this league
i'd take a call on, Maybe not Jamar Chase, maybe
not Justin Jefferson, everybody else in the league i'd take
a call on.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Listen, Colin not to push back too hard, but isn't
it less about who.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I would take a call on and where I am
in my team building?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Like, let's be real, if Dallas went to him and said, Dude,
Miles Garrett is making forty mil per year on average,
we can't pay you that and be.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Good the brown stink.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
If you want, say forty one million a year, We're
not gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
So you have the choice.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
You can take lesson, run with us, and you know
we can make up for an endorsements.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
You're a Cowboys guy, You've got your podcast, or we
can just move you. I feel like that's the.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Better discussion as opposed to what I take a call
on Michael Parsons because I just don't see a path
to success the way.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Devin Booker just got his his extension. He's making seventy
two and a half million.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Collins their Vegas win total is gonna be like thirty
two to thirty five, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
What's the point.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I know Devin Booker's got to get his and so
does Micah, But do you want to be good or
do you just want to get paid?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, I mean again, I think college football furnishes the
NFL with a lot of receivers, a lot of edge rushers,
a lot of good linebackers. There are certain positions I'll
pay a fortune for quarterback. You get about two good
ones a year out of college. Great offense tackle you
get about one a year who is great out of college,
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and a great interior defensive lineman like the Chris Jones were,
Jalen Carter, Aaron Donald, you get about one of those
a year. But edge rushers, wide receivers, corners, backs, linebackers, safeties.
I don't care. I'm just I'm not going Miles Garrett,
Jared Verse to me on the edge are different there
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they are just you. Now. Some would say TJ. Watt,
but he's now thirty, so I'd go look at Micah.
Mike has been around for how many years? Has he
made a difference when it matters in December and January?
And the answer is no, he hasn't.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
It's just a tough one.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
But you know Jerry Jones, this is what he wants.
He could have done this months ago, but he likes
to just drag it out. So we shows out there
talk about the Cowboys. It's kind of goofy, and then
he's gonna sign a bad deal and not win a
Super Bowl again. All right, Let's move on to the
NFC East. Another team with a situation. That's Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
This guy had such a good rookie. See he's in
capturing all the awards. They got to the NFC Title game.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Will entering year two.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
His tight end Zach Ertz, is confident that Daniels will
continue to progress and impress his teammates.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
He has such high confidence in himself because he wants
to be so great that it really resonates with the
rest of the guys out there in the field on
the team with them. So yeah, from the outside looking in,
you can say he had a phenomenal year, but in
the back of.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
His mind, he said, I can be better this year.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's crazy going into a second year how good he
was last year.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
But he's going to have that.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
He's going to have that mentality for the next hopefully
fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
By the way. Another another thing the Cowboys have to
think about is that Washington now has the best quarterback
in the division, whether people want to admit that, and
they're not paying him for four years. He's free for
the next four years, so that's another thing to think about.
They can load up and go get your debos, Samuels.
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So that's another thing for Dallas is you get heavy
with CD, Dak and Micah Parsons. They have a free
quarterback who is significantly better than Dak Prescott today. So
I'm telling you, Dallas is it feels a lot like
the Lakers pre Lebron.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
They they feel like they are increasingly And I said
it two years ago, I said, and it went faster
than I thought. I said, never forget Mike McCarthy left them.
That doesn't happen in the NFL, where a coach leaves
a seven or eight figure salary on his terms. Mike
McCarthy said, I don't want to be here. I'm telling you,
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Dallas is about to get really bad, really quickly.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It's interesting you mentioned McCarthy. I was just thinking, like, oh,
where did Mike McCarthy land.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Is he coaching anywhere in the league because he was
so good with Dallas and uh no, he's.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Not currently coaching anywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Is that a surprise?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, sit on the beach, take every penny of it. No,
I would not. I would sit. I'd go up in
Milwaukee in the Dells, and I'd go play golf for
the next fifteen months.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I mean, you're all over the place here the best
quarterback of the division.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I had to check.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Is there a memo that I missed about Jalen Hurts?
The Super Bowl MVP?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Is he dead?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I mean, did you forget about the Super Bowl MVP?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Collin?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Anyways, you're on a hot streak today.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Final story is the Detroit Lions. A lot of talk
about this offense. They lose Ben Johnson to the Bears.
They replaced him with former pass game coordinator John Morton. Well,
they're tight end in Detroit. Sam Laporta believes the offense
is going to stay humming.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
We promoted Hank Fraley to our run game coordinator, so
fortunate for me, we have the same run game system
this year, the same verbiage, which, as you can imagine,
is a lot. But Johnny mo pass game coordinator, his
entire life. Brilliant mind. I think he's going to call
the offense great. Brat Holmes has been the best at
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finding guys in the league that fit the culture in
Detroit and our damn good football players at the end
of the day as well. So it starts with Dan
Brad and then it works its way down with the players.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yeah, I know you're a big Ben Johnson guy. You
guys are probably going out for drinks tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I'm just gonna say, I know Lions fans are upset
that I keep coming after Colin. If we could get
the schedule on the stream for Detroit, Okay, they open
against green Bay, always a good rivalry. It is in
Green Bay, I would say it's a toss up. Then
they play the Bears. They should be fine there, Colin.
Look at the games after that. They go to travel
to Lamar Jackson, forget Cleveland, at Joe Burrow, at Patrick Mahomes.
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They have to play three of the four best quarterbacks
in the NFL in the first like six weeks of
the season.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
There's gonna be a bit of a wake up call
for Lions nation year. I think before Halloween. And again,
you look at the schedule even the back end.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
They got the Rams they end at Minnesota at Chicago,
those are gonna be cold weather. Sorry the Chicago games outdoors, obviously,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Man nine wins ten well.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They also lost an elite center, so then they try
to address that in the draft. So I think the
odds makers, your DraftKings, they're going out there and pulling
back on the over under. I think everybody sees what
you see. So I think everybody nobody thinks this is
a fourteen or a thirteen win team. The schedule's tougher,
they lost the interior star of their offensive line, they
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lost the best offensive coordinator in the sport and a
great defensive coordinator. I think everybody's got a beat on
the lines. I would say this if you told me
there is one division in the NFL that I don't
really know what it's going to look like because there's
so much competency in certain areas with all these teams.
Love the Bears roster. Think Ben's going to hit Kevin
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O'Connell and that offensive line and the wide receiver group,
and Minnesota Green Bay is incredibly well run, and Detroit
best offensive line top five in the league, Top four.
So there's so much competency in the division. That's that's
to me is the one division. I have no idea
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how it's gonna finish. I really don't. And I and
we don't know what JJ McCarthy is. There's another mystery element.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Well, I would say the Packers if you're listing teams
that I just don't know what they could be.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
If the Packers won seven games, I wouldn't be shot.
If they won twelve games, I don't think I'd be surprised.
I don't really grasp the Packers. I like McCarthy bear
schedules too tough, lions are coming back. I don't know
what to do with the Packers. Call it and you
you often have a good beat on them, giving your deep.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
History in the region.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, I would say this, how many games did they
win last year? And they didn't get consistent quarterback play?
So that that's a pretty good that that's when you
when you they I mean Jordan Love was hurt early,
didn't play great late, and the Packers were still a
really good football team. That that that's when you know
what's a well run organization in the NFL. When you
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don't get consistent quarter play and are a double digit
win team, and they address the wide receiver issue, which
we've said for the last two years. All sorts of talent,
but it doesn't feel quite right. So again, I will
probably talk myself into the Lions and Packers getting to
the playoffs out of this division because I just Chicago's
the wild card. But again, I don't know what I
haven't seen j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
By the way, I don't I don't play fantasy football.
I'm not opposed to it. I think it's great. I
think it's a relatable, connectable thing. But I don't know
the value system who you should draft. I mean, obviously
draft Josh Allen that feels like a good one, uh
or Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase. But here's here's my
fantasy I know value. You want to get somebody that
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nobody quite knows, like a rookie pops. Let me give
you a couple people now. Nause Harris has an eye
injury a fourth of July fireworks incident. He will play
in the regular season. They do have Amarion Hampton the
running back, so he'll split some carries. But let me
give you an example of the NFL's OHWA has been
about who you play for and where you land. Keep
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your eye on Nause Harris and Devonte Adams, and not
just because they play for the Chargers and the Rams.
So think about this. Both come from defensive cultures, defensive
head coaches, and dysfunctional offenses. The Steelers had the twenty
seventh ranked offensive line PFF has the Chargers where Najie
Harris is at as the tenth best offensive line, Joe Alt,
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second year Rashaun Slater, top five left tackle, Jim Harbaugh,
the head coach. Watch these two guys pop. And I'm
not talking Saquon Barkley pop. But last year Nase Harris
was fourteenth in the league in rushing. If he plays
again the iron injury, fourth of July, fireworks mishap, he's
going to be top ten. And think about Davonte a
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mean and again, this was the number one high school
running back in the country, star at Alabama, and he
goes to Pittsburgh and all we hear is he didn't
have much of a burst. They're a totally tone deaf,
dysfunctional offense. He acknowledged he came out and said, we
didn't really have a plan. And it's not like Najee
Harris is a flame thrower. He's like a team guy.
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So I think he's gonna go to the Chargers and
I think I think he's gonna pop. The other guy
is Devonte Adams. He goes from the Raiders and the
Jets to Matt Stafford, Sean McVay an excellent run game,
and Pooka Nakua who is often doubled on the other
side of the field. So watch the I mean Devonte Adams.
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People forget even with Aaron last year in the messy Jets.
At the end of the year, he was like a
real playmaker. So the NFL we always talk about this
with rookie quarterbacks. You're as good as where you land
and who your head coach is. Here's my fantasy football prediction.
You want to get value, watch Najie Harris the Chargers
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and watch Davonte Adams. Davante Adams got the Willy Wonka
Golden Ticket. He's gonna walk in there. He's got Pooka
on the other side. Matt Stafford, Kyron Williams excellent run game,
a productive tight end. McVeigh calling the plays and Matt Stafford.
Would you be surprised if Davonte Adams had eight touchdowns
and seventy eight grabs? I would not. And Pooka, by
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the way, love him, but he gets dinged up. So
Davante could very well be a number one receiver for
stretches throughout the season. Here's by the way, here's Pooka
Nakula on adding Devonte Adams this year.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Even more fun to be in the offensive meetings with
coach McVay and coach Defour because they're cooking up the.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Best place possible. So we're making our defense sweat for sure.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
The motions, the routes, Davante's coming in with new things
that we're thinking about.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Matthew wants to say, I want to put the ball
on this part of the field.
Speaker 8 (31:51):
So the trifecta that we have of great football minds
is keeping everything super interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right. See football players, you've never relied on me
for value or info. Nase Harris, especially Devonte Adams, watch
them pop.
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Camps are going to be opening up this weekend. So
I saw a story this morning where Ohio State lost
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like a four star recruit to Bill Belichick in North Carolina. So,
and I've told you I'm fascinated with this story. I mean,
he's a grumpy seventy three year old who never really
showed any interest in college football at all. It doesn't
exactly scream home run higher. You know, Belichick at Carolina
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feels like Donald Trump's first term in the White House.
I'm not really sure what is going to look like,
but it's going to be interesting. It could get messy.
I think if Belichick was in the SEC or the
Big Ten, he'd get absolutely rolled. He'd get rolled. But
the ACC is so god awful outside of Clemson that
he may just coach his way to a lot of wins. So,
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and if you look at the schedule, it looks like
one of those annual US News and World Report lists
of the best public universities. Like it's not exactly powerhouses
cal Virginia, Syracuse, Stanford, Wake Forest, and Duke. It's like
that list of really your really smart nephew told you
schools he applied to. That's what it looks like. So
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I don't know what I'm gonna get. Like when Belichick
left the NFL, he didn't have any momentum. He fell
old and archaic, and college football is changing rapidly. So
the odds makers do not buy. I was told this
morning by Greg and our staff. The odds makers they've
given them the ninth best odds to win the horrible ACC,
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somewhere around Duke. So and they don't have a great quarterback.
And if you look at Belichick in his history in
the NFL, he didn't win in a sport he loved
and was great at and manipulated. He didn't win without
great quarterback play. So they lost their best player in
memorial Hampton the run game. So I think that this
thing could be CD Sola, this could be a circus.
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This has the potential be just a mess. And again
I think the saving grace is his schedule looks like
a bunch of academic powerhouses. It's just not very good.
But there's nothing here in this high that says home
run not good at quarterback, lost their best player, never
really had an affinity or interest in the sport. The
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bad conference thing is what gives it legs. I mean,
if you put them against the Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Washington,
they're an eighth place team, Illinois this year would house them.
Illinois is gonna be really good. So okay, here's another story.
Justin Jefferson of the Vikings, probably the best receiver in
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the league, has been talking about JJ McCarthy and how
much he loves JJ McCarthy, And I was thinking about
this this morning. There's not a team in the league
right now, in the National Football League where you love
the head coach. There are parts of the team you love,
the defensive coordinator, the offensive coach, brilliant offensive guy, the
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defensive coordinator one of the best in the league, top
six roster, maybe the best receiver, and we don't know
what they're going to look like. It's a little Jordan
love to the packers where we used to complain, could
somebody I see more video about Bigfoot? I don't have
a piece of video a JJ McCarthy in camp. That's notable.
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So and here's the other thing. Just just think about this.
We all know that first round quarterbacks are about a
fifty to fifty hit rate. One's a star, one's not.
You get about one to two a year that are
really good. So in his draft class, Jaden Daniels is
already an A plus. Bo Nix and Drake May are
clearly at least B plus. I think both will be
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better this year. In year two, Kayleb Williams is really talented.
My prediction he'll bounce. And then the people in Atlanta,
like Michael Pennox, are we really going to have a
six for six that every single first round quarterback hits?
Even a five for six would be unprecedented. So remember
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the Vikings and published reports they were interested in bringing
Sam Darnold back, published reports they flirted with Aaron Rodgers.
So and again, there is so much about Minnesota to
like everybody loves the head coach. Everybody knows how great
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the defensive coordinator is, O line major upgrade roster top
seven or eight. Last year they were top ten offense
and defense. And I like their draft the wide receiving corps.
I mean, JJ McCarthy only needs to be one J.
He didn't even have to be great. If he's like
bow Knicks, they're a playoff team. I mean Denver did
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not have Minnesota's roster and made the playoffs in the
tougher AFC, in a division with Andy Reid and Jim Hartball.
So if JJ McCarthy is a slightly lesser version in
the NFE of bo Nicks, that is a playoff team.
And I have no idea j Maak, I think, is
this not one of the teams you're really high on
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this year? You're a higher on them than I am.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
So Colin, you know the drill. You've been doing this
for like thirty years. You pick a team that you
feel is your team of destiny.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
You latch onto them, you believe in the coach, the quarterback,
all of it, and you kind of ride them, and
you're either right or wrong. You know, Sometimes you pick
a winner. Other times you pick a loser. I have
yes hitched my wagon to JJ McCarthy. Now, since I
did that, I heard from several people very close to
the league or formerly in the league, who were telling
me be cautious about McCarthy for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
I'm not going to get into on air.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I'm still a believer. I love Kevin O'Connell. You've heard
the stories from people.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Here at Fox. They love him.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Okay, we know Flores is great. I think they have
a very talented roster. I think they overachieved with Darnold
last year.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
You'd agree, right, They're not not really a fourteen win team.
And I do believe McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I don't care if you want to call him game
manager what I think he does enough to get them
to the playoffs, and I think there is a dangerous
team with a great coach.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
If factually, if he hits, then we're gonna have to say,
if Caleb Williams and JJ McCarthy hit in the same division,
it's the best quarterback draft class arguably of all time.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
Well, it's early fair. Can we get him a couple
of playoff wins before we give him hitting? Listen six
for sixfine, define hit. What's a hit for McCarthy this year?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
He's as good as bon Nicks.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
What does it mean numbers wise, getting.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
To the playoffs, stats, the look or whatever they call
it playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
If they go Darnold fourteen wins and playoffs and then
they go McCarthy nine wins and no playoffs, then yeah,
it looks like they picked up.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I mean right, there are a lot of things that
tells you he's bon Knicks. He got an offensive coach,
he gets a roster that has some strains. I mean Denver,
there were things about Denver we liked. Bon Nicks didn't
have a justin Jefferson, No, no, but he had very
quickly Sean Payton rebuilt the offensive line and the defense
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was getting out of the quarterback. I mean they led
the NFL in sacks. So there were things about Denver.
I think we said this last year when they were
playing their rosters better than people think. It's like a
real old line or real pass rush. It's they got
the best corner I think in the NFL. There are
things about Denver that were very playoff feeling. In Sean Payton,
I think.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Like Minnesota has a better offensive line, better running backs,
better receivers than Denver.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think their rosters are very even, and they're both
playoff rosters, so make the playoffs bone next to it. Yeah,
how are two next?
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go. It is a Thursday. We are live.
It is the Herd. Lots of choices out there. Thanks
for making out a part of your day, wherever you
may be and however you may be listening. So there's
a lot of news out there, a lot of news
out there, some of it heard, generated, and we'll react
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to all of it. Jmat I swear this is the
last time I'm going to talk about this story because
it's going to go away. I think it's going to
just like disappear and vanish into the ether. About Lebron
James being traded have changed, So I want to just
say for them, I hope this is the final time
I talk about it. But something that's not being discussed.
I saw the Athletic yesterday acknowledged Lebron James in a buyout.
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Lebron James in a trade has not been discussed by
the Lakers. So this to me has always been a
nothing burger. It's July. It's slow bread crumbs becomes stories, folks.
Lebron has a no trade clause. He's still in control
here year twenty three. Michael Jordan was not in control
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like this. Michael Jordan had a bad contract. It's first
ten years in the league, Bird Magic. They weren't in
control like this. I don't know if Brady was until
the end, right, I mean they drafted Garoppolo. They wanted
it out sooner. Lebron's in year twenty three. He's the
only NBA player with a no trade clause. Now, I
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would go to Dallas in a trade. If I could
play alongside Anthony Davis again, rookie Cooper Flag, and Derek Lively.
I'd go in a heartbeat with a better coach and
Jason Kidd. But Lebron's not going to get traded unless
he says yes. And where are you going to put him?
Where would Lebron outside of a Dallas lineup? If he
could play with Kyrie and Ad again in Cooper Flag,
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Derek Lively, they'd have to involve with a third team.
That's interesting. But because the Lakers were such a circus
when Lebron arrived in LA, they have been caving to
him and should be since day one. Again, Jordan didn't
have this kind of power. Brady didn't have this kind
of power. He was taking paycots. So honestly, the Lakers
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for the last fifteen years, a lot of them have
been poorly run. I mean, if you look at the
five years before Lebron arrived in Los Angeles, I mean,
it's hard to get your arms around. They had the
worst record in the NBA, worse than the Wizards, much
worse than the Washington Wizards. And so the one advantage,
the one advantage of going to a poor, early run
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business and that's what the Lakers were when Lebron arrived,
is you get a lot more power. I mean, Aaron
Rodgers with the Jets got him to hire Nat Hackett.
Is the OC overpay for Alan Lazard. You're not doing
that with the Ravens, you know, you're not doing that
with the Rams. I mean, Matt Stafford didn't have that
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kind of control when he came to the Rams. This year.
With the Rams and Stafford, they're like here's the number.
This is it. But when Sean Payton goes to the
messy Broncos Power, Lebron goes to the Lakers ultimate power.
So and I think that's the one advantage. Now, generally
it doesn't work out well because the player takes advantage
of it. But Sean Payton didn't, Aaron Rodgers did, and
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Lebron hasn't. I didn't like the Russell Westbrook move. Lebron
said it wasn't mine, but we all know what kind
of was. So, but just think about this. There is
one player in the entire NBA one, not Yo Kitch,
not SG, not Ant, not Steph Curry. There's one player
in the NBA with a no trade clause, Lebron James,
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forty year old Lebron James. So people can talk about
this all they want about. He's going to go here,
He's going to go there. The Oklahoma City Thunder. Sam
Presty runs the organization. One of the reasons Lebron left
Miami because pat Riley ran the organization. So Lebron has
largely been running this place for years, and thankfully he
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generally makes the good basketball decisions. He and Rich Paul
got Anthony Davis in here and in the COVID year
they won the title. They're not going to win the
title this year. But this idea that there's going to
be a trade and there's going to be a buyout,
Lebron has a no trade contract, and I think the
only place that he would look at and go, all right,
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that's interesting. I believe it's Dallas. If he could play
with a rim protector and Derek Lively, a phenomenal domestic
rookie in Cooper Flag and ad again, and I think
he'd have to sit down and listen to that one
because that team, I think Lebron's still a top ten
player and still in year twenty three, has more power
than any NBA player ever. All Right, speaking of power,
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Nick Saban had a lot for a long time and
still does so. Greg McElroy and a pretty smart guy.
He is a big radio star in Alabama, and he
said this week that people he trusts are telling him
that Nick Saban is going to come back and coach.
He is hearing that Nick Saban could come back and coach.
So I believe this is true, but it's not Alabama.
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So let me squash the Alabama rumors. They're not going
to happen. Alabama doesn't have the money. They're struggling to
stay afloat in NIL. They can't compete with Texas and
Oregon and Ohio State in the NIL world. They'd have
to buy out Caitlin de Bor for about seventy million,
and Nick would cost him fifteen million a year. They
are I got news for her. They're a mid size
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bank and Ohio, Io State, Oregon, Texas are JP Morgan,
They're Deutsche Bank. They don't have the money these days
to buy out Kaitlin de boor fifteen million to eighteen
million for NIL and buy Nick Saban. They are a
credit union where Grandma still puts her money in. Texas
is Rockefeller, Capital is Blackstone. So that's not happening now.
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As I talked about yesterday, Nick Saban to the NFL,
just to the numbers, seven coaches annually on average get
fired seven Okay. Secondly, coordinators hit thirty percent of the time.
And the other thing to think about is, like Pete Carroll,
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Nick Saban may be older, but he doesn't look, act
or feel old like Belichick does. He's always been an innovator.
I mean he literally when he got to Alabama, it
was all about defensive ends, defensive tackle, linebackers and corners.
Lane Kiffin shows up and from that point forward, they
were about wide receivers, left tackles, and quarterbacks. A lot
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of old people age. Well, Nick Saban is one of them.
Andy Reid's another one. And I told you this, this
is an innovator. He's not going to college. Remember because
of the NIL to buy out these coaches, which used
to happen all the time. You write a forty million
dollar check. Well, now coaches that check is like sixty
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to seventy million, Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly or at
Kaitlin Devor and you got to raise twenty million dollars
a year for the nil's stash. So and you'd have
to pay Saban fifteen. It's not happening. Bama does not
have those kind of boosters. They don't. Texas does. And
Nick Saban knew two years before he left college football.
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He was grumbling about the money that Texas and Austin
was raising in their billionaire donors. The NFL thing with Saban,
I think he'll get frustrated with being an analyst. I
think deep down he's always felt he's every bit the
coach of Belichick, but we don't mention him as one
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of the all time great coaches because he's a college guy.
Albert Breer yesterday on the always innovative, maybe old but
feels young.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Nick Saban, the one thing about Dallas that people misunderstand is, yes,
Jerry's involved in football, but the coach is involved in
scouting too. Like the coach is involved in putting the
team together, and that's always been the way that it's
been run there in that Like they've got a really
good personnel department. Will McLay does a great job, but
they've always involved the coach and how the team is
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put together. If Jerry was going to do this, part
of it would be are you willing to take a
back seat and move away from the spotlight for a
little bit to see if Nick Saban can come and
do it?
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Okay, And the reason we talk Saban the Schottenheimer thing
is not going to work. Jerry's now eighty two. I
think he's much less patient than he was fifteen years ago.
And Saban and the Cowboys feels huge. Just think of
what Jim Harbaugh to the second most popular team in
LA felt like Harbor to the Chargers changed their ticket sales,
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advertising money, merchandise sales changed everything felt it felt like
a quake. It was huge. Saban plus the Cowboys just
how does that right now? Dallas Cowboys have a problem.
I mean they really do. For free agents, they have
a problem. They have a credibility issue. Like free agents
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not that interested. Saban gives them instant credibility. So Albert
and I talked about this yesterday for over ten minutes.
I think Saban, and I don't think he's wrong here.
I think Saban And for years and years I said
about Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh's as good a football coach as
the history of football has ever had. But we mentioned Schulen,
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Belichick and Andy Reid. And that's why Jim Harball wanted
to go back to the pros with a legitimate quarterback.
Is that I think Nick Saban, like Harbaugh, feels like, yeah,
I dominated college football and if Drew Brees would have
been given the physical, okay, I would be viewed among
the greatest coaches of all time. But if you dominate
college football, you can be Woody Hayes, Bear Bryant. You
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don't get mentioned among the greatest coaches of all time.
You got to succeed at the highest level of coaching.
And I think Saban, like Pete Carroll, feels ten years
younger and thinks like he's ten years younger than he is.
A lot of old guys don't age well. Saban does.
I'm telling you, this is my summer prediction. Katie to
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the Warriors, that was nuts too. Belichick to North Carolina,
that was nuts too. Mavericks trading Luca to arrival Lakers
in the West. That sounded nuts too. This is my
boldest prediction of the summer. You got to have one,
and this is mine. I know, Jay Mac, you're not
rolling your eyes necessarily because there are seven openings annually
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in this league. And by the way, just say it
out loud. Saban to the Cowboys. Jerry loves his team
being talked about on TV, Romo on CBS, Aikman on ESPN,
Michael Irvin forever on the NFL network. He loves that.
You can say what you want about Jerry. But a
lot of times there's been a criticism he cares more
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about the marketing than the actual Super Bowl winning. He's
got those, so I think it's in play.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah, Colin, I'll say that's a spicy take to start
the show. But what's the saying right Church wrong pew.
I'm sure you've heard that. I do think save In
to the NFL makes sense, But remember what happened in Miami.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
When he went to Miami. He wanted Drew Brees.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
He had Drew Brees locked in and the doctors didn't
clear breeze, so he had to settle for Culpepper got
the hell out of town. Quarterback matters for Saban, Colin,
unless they go three and fourteen and can get arch Manning.
I don't think that Dak Prescott gets Saban to the Cowboys.
But I think the team to watch would be the
Buffalo Bills if they slip up in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
They are favorites and they want to run.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Out McDermott, Saban plus Josh Allen in Buffalo getting the
Bills finally that super Bowl that's been elusive.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Think of it that. It's really interesting. So Jim Harbaugh,
why did there were rumors about Harbaugh of the NFL
for years? Why did he wait for the Chargers? Justin
Herbert right, Because when he came to the NFL, it
was Kaepernick, it was Alex Smith, and he could never
really get the quarterback position to be super elite consistently.
So Harbaugh kept waiting. He figured it out. I gotta
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have the right quarterback. We've talked about this with Sean McDermott.
I think Sean's good, but he can't get pas like
Mickelson and Tiger Woods in his prime like it. There's difference,
and I do think I think think that's out there.
I think Dallas is out there. Remember never forget this.
Next year's quarterback draft class is really strong. So if
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you're going to go to a Dallas, Okay Buffalo, you
got the quarterback. If you're going to go to get
a job. Next year is a perfect year. And I
do believe Dallas is a six win team this year.
I really do. I think they're a six win team
that puts them top ten. So you wouldn't have to
give up a ton of draft capital to get your
quarterback your choice.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
Is there a potential?
Speaker 4 (13:32):
This is a little goofy, but Cleveland Browns have no
quarterback this year. Coach gets blown out, Hey we got
the first pick arch Manning.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
I don't want to go to Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well, what if Nick Saban goes to Cleveland. I think
he spent some time there in the past. Is there
a world where save and says, I'll take Arch Manning
as my future quarterback in the NFL if I can
get him.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Well, the Mannings know Nick Saban very well. Yes, I'll
just leave it at that.
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Speaker 1 (14:34):
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Chicago today. So I missed Monday show. I couldn't get
out of the Northeast because of thunderstorms and flight cancelations
and delays. So punishment for that of the staff is
punishing me, forcing me to do a Shador Sanders story.
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According to Mary Kay Cabot, she does think when camp
starts today that he has a legitimate shot to be
the starting quarterback. So in my life kind of being
around the NFL, thirty years of doing this talk show stuff,
covering the NFL, having sources and reporting on it, I
don't think there's ever been a player where there's a
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wider variance of opinion between the media and NFL executives.
The media, myself included, saw him as a B prospect,
a good, solid in a very very weak quarterback draft class.
Certainly arguable first round prospect, maybe a second third round talent,
but you know, solid, good family DNA, moved well, historically, accurate,
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a good kid, not a bad kid. Certainly a better
prospect than first rounder Kenny Pickett by far, I think
a much safer prospect than Will Levis, who went second
round of the Titans. You know, again, I thought he
was a solid B prospect, crazy accurate, bad offensive line
in college, no run game, and against good teams, was
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always productive without a lot of mistakes, and yet he
slid to the fifth round and there's an argument, I
don't know, sixth or seventh round or undrafted if not
for Jimmy Haslam, the impulsive and medaling Cleveland owner. So
how he is viewed by the NFL and the professionals
there who I respect and trust, and how he's viewed
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by everybody else, it's an incredible gap. Bailey Zappi got
drafted higher. So it's like no Madland that won the
Oscar and the public had no interest in watching it.
It made like three point seven million dollars, and not
every Oscar winner is Oppenheim, Oppenheimer or you know, you
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name your Oscar winner that gets big gate. But like
no Madland was, Hollywood loved it, the public not remotely interested.
So I don't know what to make of it. I mean,
listen the fact that Louis Tyler Shuck, who is twenty five,
going to be twenty six when the season starts. He
had a singular throw at the combine. That just a
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singular moment, a singular throw, the one where he's backpedaling
side arms it that to me, seventh round like that
play alone, indoors has rushed and he went second round
of the Saints. So I don't don't. I don't get it.
I'm really interested to watch it because I think generally
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I'm within half a round of where a guy goes.
I saw Jackson Dart as more of a mid second.
He went late first. That's okay, Will Levis, I thought
I liked him initially, and then I've got the third round.
I mean, I get surprised from time to time, but
late first, early second falls to the fifth and may
have been undrafted. If you fall to the fifth, you
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can fall further than the fifth. So we'll wait and see.
Mary Kay Cabot, who I've trusted for years, says, nobody's
blowing anybody away here, nobody's blowing anybody away. J Mack
with the news.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
No, no, no, turn on the news. This is the
Herdline News.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Titanic and Oppenheimer, they were both box office smashes, and
the critics loved them. Not so much with Nomad like.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I can blow you away with this Herdline segment, Colin,
Let's start with Michael Parsons. You know he's still angling
for his big contract. He's only making twenty four million
this season only Colin, he's severely underpaid at his position.
But he knows the Cowboys will pay him, whether his
number is impacted by other head rushers or not.
Speaker 7 (18:37):
I was gonna get mine no matter what, you know
what I mean, Like the markets change every year. Their
salar cat went up like another eighteen percent to share
day numbers got nothing to do with mine and my
numbers in nine got to do it. I'm like, I'm
younger Henderson. I mean, Hutchingon is coming off of injury. Like,
everyone's circumstances is completely different. Hutch is coming off this
per year. Usually guys with four years, so it's just
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odd to pens why. I mean, he's up there with Myles,
So you know, it's different. Everyone's circumstances different.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, he'll get his. I would move him and get
a bunch of picks for next draft. I would move
him if I had to, and get I'd get another
first round pick. And so because I need a quarterback
potentially if you get a new coach. I know that's
crazy talk, right, but I again, there's seven offensive tackles,
eight quarterbacks maybe tops that I would never take a
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call on. And then I would not take a call
on Jalen Carter. I would not take a call on
Jared Verse, Miles Garrett, virtually everybody else in this league
i'd take a call on, Maybe not Jamar Chase, maybe
not Justin Jefferson, everybody else in the league i'd take
a call on.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Listen, Colin not to push back too hard, but isn't
it less about who.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
I would take a call on and where I am
in my team building?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Like, let's be real, if Dallas went to him and said, Dude,
Miles Garrett is making forty mil per year on average,
we can't pay you that and be.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Good the brown stink.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
If you want, say forty one million a year, We're
not gonna be good.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
So you have the choice.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
You can take lesson, run with us, and you know
we can make up for an endorsements.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
You're a Cowboys guy, You've got your podcast, or we
can just move you. I feel like that's the.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Better discussion as opposed to what I take a call
on Michael Parsons because I just don't see a path
to success the way.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Devin Booker just got his his extension. He's making seventy
two and a half million.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Collins their Vegas win total is gonna be like thirty
two to thirty five, Like.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
What's the point.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I know Devin Booker's got to get his and so
does Micah, But do you want to be good or
do you just want to get paid?
Speaker 5 (20:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, I mean again, I think college football furnishes the
NFL with a lot of receivers, a lot of edge rushers,
a lot of good linebackers. There are certain positions I'll
pay a fortune for quarterback. You get about two good
ones a year out of college. Great offense tackle you
get about one a year who is great out of college,
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and a great interior defensive lineman like the Chris Jones were,
Jalen Carter, Aaron Donald, you get about one of those
a year. But edge rushers, wide receivers, corners, backs, linebackers, safeties.
I don't care. I'm just I'm not going Miles Garrett,
Jared Verse to me on the edge are different there
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they are just you. Now. Some would say TJ. Watt,
but he's now thirty, so I'd go look at Micah.
Mike has been around for how many years? Has he
made a difference when it matters in December and January?
And the answer is no, he hasn't.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
It's just a tough one.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
But you know Jerry Jones, this is what he wants.
He could have done this months ago, but he likes
to just drag it out. So we shows out there
talk about the Cowboys. It's kind of goofy, and then
he's gonna sign a bad deal and not win a
Super Bowl again. All right, Let's move on to the
NFC East. Another team with a situation. That's Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Colin.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
This guy had such a good rookie. See he's in
capturing all the awards. They got to the NFC Title game.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
Will entering year two.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
His tight end Zach Ertz, is confident that Daniels will
continue to progress and impress his teammates.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
He has such high confidence in himself because he wants
to be so great that it really resonates with the
rest of the guys out there in the field on
the team with them. So yeah, from the outside looking in,
you can say he had a phenomenal year, but in
the back of.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
His mind, he said, I can be better this year.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It's crazy going into a second year how good he
was last year.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
But he's going to have that.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
He's going to have that mentality for the next hopefully
fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
By the way. Another another thing the Cowboys have to
think about is that Washington now has the best quarterback
in the division, whether people want to admit that, and
they're not paying him for four years. He's free for
the next four years, so that's another thing to think about.
They can load up and go get your debos, Samuels.
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So that's another thing for Dallas is you get heavy
with CD, Dak and Micah Parsons. They have a free
quarterback who is significantly better than Dak Prescott today. So
I'm telling you, Dallas is it feels a lot like
the Lakers pre Lebron.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
They they feel like they are increasingly And I said
it two years ago, I said, and it went faster
than I thought. I said, never forget Mike McCarthy left them.
That doesn't happen in the NFL, where a coach leaves
a seven or eight figure salary on his terms. Mike
McCarthy said, I don't want to be here. I'm telling you,
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Dallas is about to get really bad, really quickly.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
It's interesting you mentioned McCarthy. I was just thinking, like, oh,
where did Mike McCarthy land.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Is he coaching anywhere in the league because he was
so good with Dallas and uh no, he's.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
Not currently coaching anywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Is that a surprise?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, sit on the beach, take every penny of it. No,
I would not. I would sit. I'd go up in
Milwaukee in the Dells, and I'd go play golf for
the next fifteen months.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
I mean, you're all over the place here the best
quarterback of the division.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I had to check.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Is there a memo that I missed about Jalen Hurts?
The Super Bowl MVP?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Is he dead?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I mean, did you forget about the Super Bowl MVP?
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Collin?
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Anyways, you're on a hot streak today.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Here we go.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Final story is the Detroit Lions. A lot of talk
about this offense. They lose Ben Johnson to the Bears.
They replaced him with former pass game coordinator John Morton. Well,
they're tight end in Detroit. Sam Laporta believes the offense
is going to stay humming.
Speaker 9 (24:35):
We promoted Hank Fraley to our run game coordinator, so
fortunate for me, we have the same run game system
this year, the same verbiage, which, as you can imagine,
is a lot. But Johnny mo pass game coordinator, his
entire life. Brilliant mind. I think he's going to call
the offense great. Brat Holmes has been the best at
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finding guys in the league that fit the culture in
Detroit and our damn good football players at the end
of the day as well. So it starts with Dan
Brad and then it works its way down with the players.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Yeah, I know you're a big Ben Johnson guy. You
guys are probably going out for drinks tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
I'm just gonna say, I know Lions fans are upset
that I keep coming after Colin. If we could get
the schedule on the stream for Detroit, Okay, they open
against green Bay, always a good rivalry. It is in
Green Bay, I would say it's a toss up. Then
they play the Bears. They should be fine there, Colin.
Look at the games after that. They go to travel
to Lamar Jackson, forget Cleveland, at Joe Burrow, at Patrick Mahomes.
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They have to play three of the four best quarterbacks
in the NFL in the first like six weeks of
the season.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
There's gonna be a bit of a wake up call
for Lions nation year. I think before Halloween. And again,
you look at the schedule even the back end.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
They got the Rams they end at Minnesota at Chicago,
those are gonna be cold weather. Sorry the Chicago games outdoors, obviously,
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Man nine wins ten well.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
They also lost an elite center, so then they try
to address that in the draft. So I think the
odds makers, your DraftKings, they're going out there and pulling
back on the over under. I think everybody sees what
you see. So I think everybody nobody thinks this is
a fourteen or a thirteen win team. The schedule's tougher,
they lost the interior star of their offensive line, they
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lost the best offensive coordinator in the sport and a
great defensive coordinator. I think everybody's got a beat on
the lines. I would say this if you told me
there is one division in the NFL that I don't
really know what it's going to look like because there's
so much competency in certain areas with all these teams.
Love the Bears roster. Think Ben's going to hit Kevin
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O'Connell and that offensive line and the wide receiver group,
and Minnesota Green Bay is incredibly well run, and Detroit
best offensive line top five in the league, Top four.
So there's so much competency in the division. That's that's
to me is the one division. I have no idea
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how it's gonna finish. I really don't. And I and
we don't know what JJ McCarthy is. There's another mystery element.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Well, I would say the Packers if you're listing teams
that I just don't know what they could be.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Like.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
If the Packers won seven games, I wouldn't be shot.
If they won twelve games, I don't think I'd be surprised.
I don't really grasp the Packers. I like McCarthy bear
schedules too tough, lions are coming back. I don't know
what to do with the Packers. Call it and you
you often have a good beat on them, giving your deep.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
History in the region.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well, I would say this, how many games did they
win last year? And they didn't get consistent quarterback play?
So that that's a pretty good that that's when you
when you they I mean Jordan Love was hurt early,
didn't play great late, and the Packers were still a
really good football team. That that that's when you know
what's a well run organization in the NFL. When you
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don't get consistent quarter play and are a double digit
win team, and they address the wide receiver issue, which
we've said for the last two years. All sorts of talent,
but it doesn't feel quite right. So again, I will
probably talk myself into the Lions and Packers getting to
the playoffs out of this division because I just Chicago's
the wild card. But again, I don't know what I
haven't seen j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
By the way, I don't I don't play fantasy football.
I'm not opposed to it. I think it's great. I
think it's a relatable, connectable thing. But I don't know
the value system who you should draft. I mean, obviously
draft Josh Allen that feels like a good one, uh
or Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase. But here's here's my
fantasy I know value. You want to get somebody that
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nobody quite knows, like a rookie pops. Let me give
you a couple people now. Nause Harris has an eye
injury a fourth of July fireworks incident. He will play
in the regular season. They do have Amarion Hampton the
running back, so he'll split some carries. But let me
give you an example of the NFL's OHWA has been
about who you play for and where you land. Keep
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your eye on Nause Harris and Devonte Adams, and not
just because they play for the Chargers and the Rams.
So think about this. Both come from defensive cultures, defensive
head coaches, and dysfunctional offenses. The Steelers had the twenty
seventh ranked offensive line PFF has the Chargers where Najie
Harris is at as the tenth best offensive line, Joe Alt,
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second year Rashaun Slater, top five left tackle, Jim Harbaugh,
the head coach. Watch these two guys pop. And I'm
not talking Saquon Barkley pop. But last year Nase Harris
was fourteenth in the league in rushing. If he plays
again the iron injury, fourth of July, fireworks mishap, he's
going to be top ten. And think about Davonte a
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mean and again, this was the number one high school
running back in the country, star at Alabama, and he
goes to Pittsburgh and all we hear is he didn't
have much of a burst. They're a totally tone deaf,
dysfunctional offense. He acknowledged he came out and said, we
didn't really have a plan. And it's not like Najee
Harris is a flame thrower. He's like a team guy.
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So I think he's gonna go to the Chargers and
I think I think he's gonna pop. The other guy
is Devonte Adams. He goes from the Raiders and the
Jets to Matt Stafford, Sean McVay an excellent run game,
and Pooka Nakua who is often doubled on the other
side of the field. So watch the I mean Devonte Adams.
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People forget even with Aaron last year in the messy Jets.
At the end of the year, he was like a
real playmaker. So the NFL we always talk about this
with rookie quarterbacks. You're as good as where you land
and who your head coach is. Here's my fantasy football prediction.
You want to get value, watch Najie Harris the Chargers
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and watch Davonte Adams. Davante Adams got the Willy Wonka
Golden Ticket. He's gonna walk in there. He's got Pooka
on the other side. Matt Stafford, Kyron Williams excellent run game,
a productive tight end. McVeigh calling the plays and Matt Stafford.
Would you be surprised if Davonte Adams had eight touchdowns
and seventy eight grabs? I would not. And Pooka, by
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the way, love him, but he gets dinged up. So
Davante could very well be a number one receiver for
stretches throughout the season. Here's by the way, here's Pooka
Nakula on adding Devonte Adams this year.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Even more fun to be in the offensive meetings with
coach McVay and coach Defour because they're cooking up the.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Best place possible. So we're making our defense sweat for sure.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
The motions, the routes, Davante's coming in with new things
that we're thinking about.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Matthew wants to say, I want to put the ball
on this part of the field.
Speaker 8 (31:51):
So the trifecta that we have of great football minds
is keeping everything super interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
All right. See football players, you've never relied on me
for value or info. Nase Harris, especially Devonte Adams, watch
them pop.
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Speaker 1 (32:32):
On Fox Sports is Hummon Right now British Open, John Rahm,
Rory McElroy the big favorite the British Open. We've got
the baseball season is Hummon. College football's around the corner.
Camps are going to be opening up this weekend. So
I saw a story this morning where Ohio State lost
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like a four star recruit to Bill Belichick in North Carolina. So,
and I've told you I'm fascinated with this story. I mean,
he's a grumpy seventy three year old who never really
showed any interest in college football at all. It doesn't
exactly scream home run higher. You know, Belichick at Carolina
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feels like Donald Trump's first term in the White House.
I'm not really sure what is going to look like,
but it's going to be interesting. It could get messy.
I think if Belichick was in the SEC or the
Big Ten, he'd get absolutely rolled. He'd get rolled. But
the ACC is so god awful outside of Clemson that
he may just coach his way to a lot of wins. So,
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and if you look at the schedule, it looks like
one of those annual US News and World Report lists
of the best public universities. Like it's not exactly powerhouses
cal Virginia, Syracuse, Stanford, Wake Forest, and Duke. It's like
that list of really your really smart nephew told you
schools he applied to. That's what it looks like. So
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I don't know what I'm gonna get. Like when Belichick
left the NFL, he didn't have any momentum. He fell
old and archaic, and college football is changing rapidly. So
the odds makers do not buy. I was told this
morning by Greg and our staff. The odds makers they've
given them the ninth best odds to win the horrible ACC,
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somewhere around Duke. So and they don't have a great quarterback.
And if you look at Belichick in his history in
the NFL, he didn't win in a sport he loved
and was great at and manipulated. He didn't win without
great quarterback play. So they lost their best player in
memorial Hampton the run game. So I think that this
thing could be CD Sola, this could be a circus.
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This has the potential be just a mess. And again
I think the saving grace is his schedule looks like
a bunch of academic powerhouses. It's just not very good.
But there's nothing here in this high that says home
run not good at quarterback, lost their best player, never
really had an affinity or interest in the sport. The
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bad conference thing is what gives it legs. I mean,
if you put them against the Michigan, Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Washington,
they're an eighth place team, Illinois this year would house them.
Illinois is gonna be really good. So okay, here's another story.
Justin Jefferson of the Vikings, probably the best receiver in
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the league, has been talking about JJ McCarthy and how
much he loves JJ McCarthy, And I was thinking about
this this morning. There's not a team in the league
right now, in the National Football League where you love
the head coach. There are parts of the team you love,
the defensive coordinator, the offensive coach, brilliant offensive guy, the
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defensive coordinator one of the best in the league, top
six roster, maybe the best receiver, and we don't know
what they're going to look like. It's a little Jordan
love to the packers where we used to complain, could
somebody I see more video about Bigfoot? I don't have
a piece of video a JJ McCarthy in camp. That's notable.
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So and here's the other thing. Just just think about this.
We all know that first round quarterbacks are about a
fifty to fifty hit rate. One's a star, one's not.
You get about one to two a year that are
really good. So in his draft class, Jaden Daniels is
already an A plus. Bo Nix and Drake May are
clearly at least B plus. I think both will be
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better this year. In year two, Kayleb Williams is really talented.
My prediction he'll bounce. And then the people in Atlanta,
like Michael Pennox, are we really going to have a
six for six that every single first round quarterback hits?
Even a five for six would be unprecedented. So remember
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the Vikings and published reports they were interested in bringing
Sam Darnold back, published reports they flirted with Aaron Rodgers.
So and again, there is so much about Minnesota to
like everybody loves the head coach. Everybody knows how great
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the defensive coordinator is, O line major upgrade roster top
seven or eight. Last year they were top ten offense
and defense. And I like their draft the wide receiving corps.
I mean, JJ McCarthy only needs to be one J.
He didn't even have to be great. If he's like
bow Knicks, they're a playoff team. I mean Denver did
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not have Minnesota's roster and made the playoffs in the
tougher AFC, in a division with Andy Reid and Jim Hartball.
So if JJ McCarthy is a slightly lesser version in
the NFE of bo Nicks, that is a playoff team.
And I have no idea j Maak, I think, is
this not one of the teams you're really high on
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this year? You're a higher on them than I am.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
So Colin, you know the drill. You've been doing this
for like thirty years. You pick a team that you
feel is your team of destiny.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
You latch onto them, you believe in the coach, the quarterback,
all of it, and you kind of ride them, and
you're either right or wrong. You know, Sometimes you pick
a winner. Other times you pick a loser. I have
yes hitched my wagon to JJ McCarthy. Now, since I
did that, I heard from several people very close to
the league or formerly in the league, who were telling
me be cautious about McCarthy for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
I'm not going to get into on air.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I'm still a believer. I love Kevin O'Connell. You've heard
the stories from people.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Here at Fox. They love him.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Okay, we know Flores is great. I think they have
a very talented roster. I think they overachieved with Darnold
last year.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
You'd agree, right, They're not not really a fourteen win team.
And I do believe McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I don't care if you want to call him game
manager what I think he does enough to get them
to the playoffs, and I think there is a dangerous
team with a great coach.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
If factually, if he hits, then we're gonna have to say,
if Caleb Williams and JJ McCarthy hit in the same division,
it's the best quarterback draft class arguably of all time.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
Well, it's early fair. Can we get him a couple
of playoff wins before we give him hitting? Listen six
for sixfine, define hit. What's a hit for McCarthy this year?
Speaker 1 (39:30):
He's as good as bon Nicks.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
What does it mean numbers wise, getting.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
To the playoffs, stats, the look or whatever they call
it playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
If they go Darnold fourteen wins and playoffs and then
they go McCarthy nine wins and no playoffs, then yeah,
it looks like they picked up.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I mean right, there are a lot of things that
tells you he's bon Knicks. He got an offensive coach,
he gets a roster that has some strains. I mean Denver,
there were things about Denver we liked. Bon Nicks didn't
have a justin Jefferson, No, no, but he had very
quickly Sean Payton rebuilt the offensive line and the defense
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was getting out of the quarterback. I mean they led
the NFL in sacks. So there were things about Denver.
I think we said this last year when they were
playing their rosters better than people think. It's like a
real old line or real pass rush. It's they got
the best corner I think in the NFL. There are
things about Denver that were very playoff feeling. In Sean Payton,
I think.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
Like Minnesota has a better offensive line, better running backs,
better receivers than Denver.
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I think their rosters are very even, and they're both
playoff rosters, so make the playoffs bone next to it. Yeah,
how are two next?
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