November 13, 2025 • 56 mins
On this episode of 3 & Out with John Middlekauff, John debates which coach, Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy would be the better fit for the New York Giants. He reacts to AJ Brown’s latest comments about the Eagles, digs into Paul DePodesta’s comments about the Browns and Watson, and he discusses whether the 49ers should stick with Brock Purdy moving forward.
Later, John answers your questions in this episode's mailbag segment.
02:49 - AJ Brown's comments
11:36 - Giants head coaching job
16:04 - Paul DePodesta's comments
22:55 - Brock Purdy
32:01 - Mailbag
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are you
doing out there in the real world? Hopefully well, because
(00:22):
Thursday night football is upon us, and let's just keep
our fingers crossed that is a better game than.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Last week, because that was tough. But we will prevail.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We'll keep our head down and we'll just keep swinging
and talking some ball and luckily there's a lot going on.
AJ Brown made some headlines, some thoughts on Nick Sirianni McCarthy.
That'd be Mike McCarthy betting favorite currently New York Giants.
Something to keep an eye on. Paul de Podesta, the
guy that played Jonahill, played him as character in Moneyball
(00:52):
with Billy Bean. I think last week left to the UH.
I know last week left. I haven't talked about it
yet though, to the Colorado Rockies because remember, he's a
baseball guy and just left the Browns high and dry.
Not that the Browns are sad to see him go,
but definitely want to touch on that. And then we'll
do a mail bag as well, and listen, you guys
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with the Eagles because Aj Brown had some headlines again today.
I think it's funny if you would have told someone
twenty years ago, it's like, yeah, this, you know, famous
wide receivers who's having some issues with his quarterback, the
offense not throwing him the ball, made some comments. Oh
where do you make comments? He tell a newspaper report
(02:39):
or something. He may mentioned something on the local radio station. No,
he was actually U I don't even know. I watched
the clip. I don't even know if he was playing
video games. Clearly there was someone playing video games and
he was on Twitch talking to the guy.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's like, you stream video games and a bunch of
people watched. There's actually a bunch of multi millionaires that
became famous just on this thing called Twitch, and a
lot of little kids actually now just watch people on
YouTube play video games.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's really popular. You'd be like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm like, yeah, AJ Brown said, h don't take me
on my fantasy or on your fantasy team. He's like, well,
it's not even factually incorrect, Like he's kind of onto something.
But I was thinking about this as someone who's about
to have a child, and I do believe ideally As
you get older, you learn to manage stress better, right,
especially for men. When we're younger, we can be volatile.
(03:30):
We definitely can fly off the handles. It's something that
I've worked on. I still continue to work on the
way I handle stress, my emotions. And as you get
more on your plate, you have more people depending on you.
You gotta be able to handle yourself when shit hits
the fans sometimes anyone can handle themselves. I don't care
what you're doing when things are going well. What about
(03:52):
when things go poorly? And it's why I say it
all the time. In football, it's impossible to judge what
a position code coach will be like as a coordinator
or a head coach because they have no pressure on
them from the outside. They really do not No one
talks about position coaches. But the moment you become an
offensive or defensive coordinator, not only does everyone know your name,
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if you have a bad game, everyone wants you fired.
And if you become a head coach, you not only
are being asked questions about those guys, You're also being
asked questions about yourself and everything going on in the team.
So your ability to handle stress and crazy situations are
something that you have to become numb to and numb
too fast because if you do not, it'll eat you alive.
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And that's just a random football team, let alone a
team like the Philadelphia Eagles that are in one of
the biggest media markets in America and are just a
highly polarizing team. You're in year out. And the other
thing is like the owner and the GM are kind
of unphased by controversy at this point. Honestly, it feels
like they welcome in at times. So being a head
coach in that organization is not that easy. And here's
(05:01):
the thing, you know, and I've been I'm guilty of this.
I'll be the first to admit it. I've been hard
on Sirianni over the years. But like he's fifty five
and twenty two, he's just won the Super Bowl, Like
there's not much to say. I mean, at this point
in time, Mike Tomlin was talked about like he was
Bear Bryant meets Bill Walsh back fifteen years ago. Look
at Mike Tomlin. Hasn't won a playoff game in nine
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or ten years, goes nine to eight every year. People like, oh,
you on scholarship will be a coach of the Pittsburgh
Steelers for life.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
People like, what is Sirianni's deal?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Why know this?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
He handles a lot of shit, and specifically with his
quarterback in AJ Brown, and he does it pretty well.
And like at this point in time, AJ Brown's proving
I googled it today. I was like, did any Eagles
I remember when they traded for him? They gave him
a contract, and I'm pretty sure they gave him a
large contract extension within the last eighteen months, and that's true.
(05:55):
Last year twenty twenty four, they gave him three years
ninety six million dollars. I'm no mathematician, but pretty sure
that's on average thirty two million dollars a year. And
when you're someone like AJ Brown, I say it all
the time, when you are the elites, even if your
stats are down, you typically see every penny of your contract.
So when Hawie Roseman trades him to someone this offseason,
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which I'm sure is going to happen, that money's gonna
keep flowing into a J.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Brown.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So he's a great example. I've never had that much money,
but I do subscribe to the opinion that money doesn't
buy happiness. It does buy boats and mansions and private
planes and send.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Your kids to private school, but it does not make
you internally happy when you're a wide receiver and they're
not throwing you the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
AJ Brown is living proof of that. But Sirianni has
to deal with this and he has to answer to
this every single week multiple times, because he speaks on Monday,
or excuse me, yeah, he speaks on Monday. He usually
speaks on Wednesday, he speaks on Friday, and then he
speaks again after the game.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Because that's what you have to do as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And the number one question they're asking you about when
Aj throws flames back to the fire, is this if
he's able to make a long run in the playoffs,
even if he's just in the championship game. Again, like,
this is a type situation that I would say melts
a lot of teams. You know, people have talked about
this over the years. I think pat Riley coined the
disease of me. I remember. I think it was like
(07:16):
John Lynch or John Gruden or one of those guys
told the story about after they won the Super Bowl,
you know, the next year, it looked like everyone was
pulling up the training camp and a little nicer car.
You had a couple more holdouts.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
People wanted raises.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's part of the deal, and it's I'll be honest,
I think it's easy to coach the underdog. It's easy
to start at the bottom and starn't working your way up.
The wind blows the strongest at the top of the mountain,
and most coaches crumble in the situation. I actually think
Siriani has done a really good job. So I actually
kind of understand the more you've seen this situation and
(07:52):
the more he's kind of held it together, of why
they value him. And Jeffrey Lewie said this before. He's
great with working with people, And wasn't that what we
said about Tomlin for so long? His ability to like, God,
look at Antonio Brown, I mean shit, really look at
him now. My wife was like, have you seen this
story on Antonio Brown. I'm like Maria, any headline for
(08:14):
Antonio Brown, I would say, over ever since his feet
got burned. My first reaction is I'm out.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So I've seen it, but I have no opinion, and
I refuse to click on the article. But Tomlin got
a lot of credit because the moment he got rid
of him, he was cut by the other team within
like two weeks of training camp. And I'm not saying
aj Brown is that obviously, but these are situations that
would destroy coaches that don't have the ability to handle
(08:44):
their team and can't handle the stress and can't handle
the arrows on top of like his team on a
weekly basis is like not playing great. So he's trying
to hold that together. He's got an offensive coordinator who's
under fire. So I think Nick Sirianni has had a really,
really impressive year. Speaking of a guy that's had an
impressive year, he hasn' even done anything. It's Mike McCarthy
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and last year was fired. I was like, I think
one of these teams is gonna hire him. Turns out
he didn't get hired, And now it's looking like jobs
are coming open left and right, and there are not
many Ben Johnson's and Mike Vrabels out there. So when
I saw the headline from Pro Football Talk that Mike
McCarthy is now the betting favorite to be their next
(09:26):
head coach, I went makes some sense. And I've been
saying Mike Tomlin if the Steelers, you know, crash and burn,
which they're in the middle of crashing and burning as
we speak. But when you're the New York Giants, like
they've tried all these coordinators and they have blown up
in their face. Clearly this time around, they're gonna go out.
If Mike Vrabel was on the market, they would have
(09:47):
been crazy to not offer him like twenty million dollars
a year, Like they need someone with the chops that
has been a head coach and someone that's had success.
That's why I thought Mike Tomlin makes some sense, but
sometimes I forget because he's kind of out of site,
out of mind. Mike McCarthy, he checks a lot of
boxes first and foremost. He coached Aaron Rodgers and the Packers,
which is, you know, it's weird because they're in such
(10:09):
a small little town. My buddy Chris, who was just
actually there a couple of days ago, was taking me
pictures of like how I've never been there.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But the.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You know, the community just surrounds Lambeau Like it's obviously
the smallest market in the league, but one of, if
not the biggest brand and it's ebbed.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And flowed a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I wouldn't say it's the biggest brand in twenty twenty five,
but it's it's a top four or five brand in
the league because they've been winning for three and a
half decades. I gave the stat the other night, they've
been thirty two straight years.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I wanning a football.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Thirty two straight years.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I won a football. You don't do that unless you win.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And Mike McCarthy can handle the bright lights. He just
worked for Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, which is
obviously the most valuable franchise but also the most talked
about franchise and the most polarizing franchise, the one where you
literally answered the owner.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because he's also the GM. So like Mike.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
McCarthy, if you're like, well, how's he gonna handle the
New York market, you know for a fact that he
can handle it because for almost twenty years he goes
the Packers and the Cowboys and then two you go, Okay,
he can handle you know, the big picture, the media,
you know, being the headman. What about his chops to coach? Like,
can he develop a quarterback? It's like he literally developed
(11:26):
Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott, when he became the play caller,
had one of I think, if not his best statistical
season of his career. So I would say Mike McCarthy
is known as an offensive quarterback guy. So if you're
looking for someone from Jackson Dark, you could make the
argument if me and you were sitting in a room
and we were talking, like, if we had two options,
(11:47):
we can't we have We're gonna have access to Mike
Tomlin or we can get Mike McCarthy. Well it's like,
I don't think we go. Really, if you're the Giants,
you would die for either, like they will just get
you going on the right track. Look what he did
for Dallas, because you're like, well he didn't win in
the playoffs. The Giants would die to just be in
the playoffs. The Giants would just die to be in
the playoff mix. Come December first, let alone December thirty first,
(12:10):
let alone playing a January game. Pretty sure they've been
to one playoff game. I guess two because they won
it the two games they played in with day Ball
whatever three years ago. In the last basically decades since
twenty sixteen, So just getting there is a.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Huge achievement for this franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And I think if we were talking like who should
we hire, Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy, well we go.
We do have Jackson Dart and he's going to need
someone to work with him because while he does have
a lot of talent, we need to mold it and
we need to get the best out of him. Like
obviously Tomlin can lead the group, but like he's not
coaching the quarterback right, I've seen Mike Tomlin deal with
(12:48):
quarterbacks all over the map post Big Ben. I think
Mike McCarthy might win out in that situation. So I
think the downfall of McCarthy has really been like can
get over the hut multiple times with Aaron Rodgers and
obviously couldn't win playoff games with Dak Prescott and the
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Dallas Cowboys at home. He lost two home playoff games
to the forty nine ers and to the Packers. That
it's hard to shake that in the first round. It
really is. But I would say if I'm Joe Shane,
Mike McCarthy would make a lot of sense the Browns
and Paul D.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Podesta.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
One piece of advice I give because I do agree
like Coward's big thing is with advice. It's really hard
to give generic advice to people when everyone's path is
so different. Everyone has different desires everyone most people want
to attain different things. So to give one individual piece
(13:47):
of advice to like generically over and over is not
going to resonate with a lot of people. And I'm like,
I completely agree with that. But any young person that says, hey,
I'm a senior in college or hey, i'm fresh out
of coledge, I want to get involved in sports, the
one piece of advice I will continually give is, if
you want to do it, you got to go all
(14:08):
in on it and just handle not making much early
on to try to get over the hump you know,
at some point in time in your career, ideally earlier
than later, but it's gonna be tough sledding early on.
You are not gonna make very much money. And if
you do, take a real world job, if you're like,
you know, I'm just gonna try. Like, hey, I got
an offer from Morgan Stanley. I had a buddy I had.
(14:31):
I wouldn't call him a buddy. I had an acquaintance.
The guy that was reaching out and asked me for advice.
Finally called and said, listen, I got an offer. I
think it was from like Chase bank. I said, hey,
you take this job, which I don't blame you at all.
You're gonna make way more money over the course of
the next couple of years than you ever would working
(14:51):
in sports marketing, working in whatever path that you wanted
to take in college athletics. But just know this, if
you do accept that job, never coming back, because you'll
start making money, you'll start living in a different lifestyle,
and it's going to be very very different, very hard
to transition. I can only speak for myself, but I
never had a plan B. And I'm not like I
(15:12):
had options to work at Chase banker Wells Fargo, but
I never did that. I only did one thing, and
I was pretty singular minded when it came to where
I wanted to go and what I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Attempt to achieve.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I actually saw I clicked on a YouTube video
the other day of Matt Patricia and I don't know
if I forget it was a podcast or an interview,
and he basically said that early on, Remember he was
an aerospace engineer. I think he played college football and
he had a big offer out of college. I think
to make like you know, this is twenty five years ago,
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twenty years ago, early two thousands or late nineties, to
like a six figure job at like you know, one
of the military industrial blockie Martin or.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
One of those.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And then a guy in college football, like a former
coach or something offered him actually like a GA spot
or an assistant coaching for like five thousand dollars, and
he trusted his gut and he followed his passion, and
his family thought.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
He was on drugs.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And You've heard a lot of stories like that from coaches.
But I do think you have to pick a path
and not look at other options, because if you look
at other options, I think it's people talk about this
all the time in the dating world and like what's
wrong with young people. It's like, well, if you can
see these dating apps, like it's just this. There weren't
(16:31):
that many options.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
In the fifties.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's why a lot of people in the fifties and
sixties like married the first person they dated. I mean,
the world wasn't as flat bend. You didn't have access
to the person in the town next to you, let
alone states so you just couldn't communicate. You just kind
of took what you could get and you just you
guys rolled with it her too. I mean it's two
way street. And I saw Paul d. Podesta left the
(16:57):
Cleveland Browns and no one truly what his role, like
how much juice he had. He clearly had enough juice
because even he was quoted in an article about Deshaun
Watson of like we all own this.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's like we do all own this?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Like who was the guy pounding the table and said
this is a good idea to trade for this guy.
Obviously the owner had to okay it and give him
the money. But like, were you one of those.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Guys that said it was a good idea? Cause if
you did, you own that?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right? It was Stefanski saying that, because if so, he
owns that. If he wasn't, then he does not own this.
And I think Paul de Pedesta is a good example
of a guy that helped Shephard a record of fifty
six ninety nine and one that he had other options
because he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
A football guy. He's a baseball guy.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And as it got uglier and uglier, he just became
the guy running the Colorado Rockies. He said, see, you
guys have fun. I'm jumping off this boat literally going
to another one, and my life's gonna be fine. And
I just got another four or five year contract, probably
paying me two three, four five million whatever. You guys
are fucked, And I started thinking about this.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Most people in football.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Have been Plan A. There is no Plan B players.
Most players all day focus on in their young careers,
like how do I get better at football? What do
I gotta do a football? What do I have to
do to get my next contract? And they are pretty
singular minded of just trying to improve and being the
best player possible. Most coaches and executives are the same thing,
Like you don't coach football for like twenty years and
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at forty five, like I'm gonna just start selling insurance.
Not really the way it works. You've worked on this craft.
You're all in. If you're just a scout out there
at forty years old and you've been doing it for
since you were twenty three, like you don't have much
real world experience, like I'll just so start working at
Wells Fargo. You don't have those options. But Paul D.
Podesta got involved with all these other guys, right, we're
(18:50):
just football guys. That's what they do. They're football gms,
football coaches. Yet he could always jump ship because I
don't care what he says. He could always kind of
put his foot in the other pond of baseball.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And he literally just did this, and he leaves these
guys high and dry. So I think it's a good
example in whether it's sports or whatever, when you get
into someone who is not all in on what you
are doing, especially in a pressure pack business, right like football,
like basketball, like baseball, like.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Finance, you name it. It doesn't just have to be sports.
If that guy has other options and you don't, he
will leave you. And that's exactly what happened. And Paul
de Podesta will leave a stain on this organization. When
you say his name, I don't even think at this
point in time, you think of Jonah Hill and Billy
Bean in Moneyball. I think of the guy that helped
(19:46):
really ruin the Browns, like make them a complete laughingstock,
and he doesn't care. He'll probably buy some big ass
house in Denver and be at spring training and the Browns.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Are their problem.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Now, I I think you know this starts with Jimmy Haslam.
When you hire people from outside situations that aren't that
work their way up in football, like Nick Cassario. Let's
use him as an example of the Houston Texas. They
obviously got a big comeback win the other day, but
let's just say the season would have imploded, right. It's
(20:19):
not like he has the option of like, you know what,
I'll just go run the Houston Astros, or you know what,
I'll just go up give pat Riley.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
A call and go work with the Miami Heat.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He's a football guy.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
His entire life has been dedicated to football, and most
specifically the NFL. That wasn't Paul deep Podesta. So I
think the Browns wanted to look cute, they wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Think outside the box.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It got them a lot of media credit at the
beginning of the situation because he's an intellectually, you know,
viewed as like a high level just a lot of
brain power up there, right, But who cares if you
don't know what you're doing, which he clearly did not.
And then when the house was on fire, he didn't
(21:05):
grab a hose and help put it out. He literally
just got in his.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Car and drove off.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
So if I was a Cleveland Brown fan, my first
reaction to this guy would be like, fuck you excuse
my language. Their children, and last, but not at least,
Brock party. I saw a headline today, Oh it's not
a headlines as a story that Marvin Harrison Junior is
a penaciitis. He's out this week. He's gonna be gone
for a couple of weeks, and they have I saw
(21:31):
a headline today that the Arizona Cardinals had to do
a walk through a practice on Wednesday afternoon because they
have so many injuries. Clearly there in shambles. They just
got their just doors blown off by the Seattle Seahawks,
and there they got problems. They play the forty nine
ers this week in Glendale. It'll be I would guess
(21:51):
eighty percent forty nine er fans. I mean, I mean
it's always the majority forty nine er fans, but now
that the Cardinals suck it. If you told me it
was close to ninety percent, I believe you. I was
of the opinion if Brock perty unless he is one
hundred percent and can't get reinjured, I'm just rolling with
Mac Jones. Now, I'm not naive. I'm not dumb. My
decision is I didn't just give him two hundred million dollars. Literally,
(22:12):
Jed York guaranteed him a hundred and eighty eight million dollars.
The way pro sports work, I'll never forget it. When
I was a kid, the Sacramento Kings had Chris Weber,
and we were so awesome. We had Mike Bibbie, we
had Peigio, we had Vlattie, we had Bobby Jackson, we
had Hiito Turklu.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Team was bad ass.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And then Chris Weber tore his knee and then the
next season he couldn't play for like eighty percent of it.
And I'm pretty sure the Sacramento Kings had the best
record in the NBA. Well, they had just give him
like one hundred million dollars, And this was twenty five
years ago. He was gonna start the moment he could
quote unquote play, and that's what he did. And then
the team fell apart and it was never the same
(22:50):
and Chris Weber's career basically ended. It was the beginning
of the end, and it was also the beginning of
the end of the Sacramento Kinks. But there is pressure
when you pay a guy a lot of money and
you know you can't lose your job to injury. Is
the old adage, and there's some truth to that, But
when you get paid a premium, there is no not
only not losing your job, which he never was going
(23:11):
to do, but the moment you can play, the coach
and the organizations going to put you back in. I
just believe this that Mac Jones has played really well
this season, and he has a couple of games just
like last week against the I mean, he's played the
Rams twice and he lit him up like Christy, He's
looked fantastic. Now, if Brock Purty is healthy, I would
(23:33):
take Brock Purdy over Mac Jones. And I like Mac Jones,
but Rock Purty's proven he's a better player. I do
think there's a lot of pressure on him this week
because let's face it, when Brock plays, he's one of
the most polarizing guys in the league. That's not going
to change this week. If it doesn't go well. They're
going to be favored in this game. They are favored
in this game, and the Cardinals are viewed as a
team that's about to completely unravel. So to me, I
(23:56):
just hope, for everyone's sake so we don't have to
talk about it all week, Brocking to show up, assuming
he plays, and just play well, because if he doesn't
and they were to lose, then I think we got
a big story on our hands, especially if pierceall by
all accounts looks like he is going to practice this
week and potentially play come Sunday, It'll just be a
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Speaker 1 (26:01):
We're gonna do a mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John
Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered
here on the show again just my name on Instagram.
DMS wide open and we will start with uh, We'll
start with Ben huge fan of the show and the Packers.
When looking at the NFC North, who is the best
(26:22):
position for success over the next two or three years.
I feel like our options are limited now with so
much money tied up in Parsons in Love, and I
feel like we went from the best young team in
the league to dog shit in the blink of I
would you're not that bad. I would say the Lions
are the only team with a quarterback who's proven, Like
(26:44):
I mean, Jared gos been playing at a high level
for a long time. Caleb's They're about to play a
lot of big games. You know, it's one thing to
light up the Bengals, the Cowboys or the Giants. Let's
see how he plays against Packers. Hes got two games
against the Packers defense. I don't know, We'll see, right.
JJ McCarthy is not only a major wild card. I
mean it looked like Justin Jefferson was quitting on him
(27:04):
in his fourth start, And I would say, you guys,
I mean, there's just a lot of pressure right now
on the floor. Even the people that cover the Packers
are like, this guy's fighting for his job now. So
Dan Campbell not only is not fighting for his job,
he's the best coach the Lions I've ever had, and
obviously Jared Goff, which is a solid quarterback. But the
other thing is they're well positioned because like Aiden Hudson
(27:28):
is a star, like Brian branch is a high end player,
Right Laporta, Amen raw Sewel Gibbs, Montgomery, Jamison Williams, like
these guys are all young and under contract. So I
would still lean the Lions. We're gonna learn a lot
about the Lions this week. I think the other night
on Monday Night, I said that Philly was going back
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to back road games. Was wrong on that one. My bad,
And as I say, my bads, get your ass kicked podcasts,
they don't. They just mistakes and we move on. The
Philadelphia Eagles are hosting the Lions, so it's that's that's
a big game for the Lions.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
More it's actually a bigger game for the Lions than
the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I think as a defensive coordinator today's league, is it
tougher to defend the run or the pass?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Love the show?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think it depends on your personnel. I would say
for most guys, given their personnels, if you have a
good running game, it's harder to stop the run. Right,
twenty thirty years ago, you had a bunch of big
run stuffing guys in your front seven, linebackers included. I mean,
how many guys in the league would he be? Like,
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this guy's a downhill run stuffer. Like I love Fred Warner.
He's a Hall of Fame player. Fred Warner is a
sideline to sideline, beats guys on angles. He's not like
meeting Lorenzo O'Neill or Mike Alstott in the hole and
shedding him and making the tat. It's not really how
he plays, you know. So I just think that the
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style of player is a lot different now at linebacker,
and just a lot of teams don't employ like three
hundred and forty pound defensive lineman because they have no
pass rush and a lot of times you just got
to beat passers. And even if you're playing like a
rushing team, if they got a good quarterback like Lamar Jackson,
like having a three hundred and forty pound guy there,
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it's like, well, what's he gonna do chase down Lamar Jackson?
You know So it's I just think the personnel has
changed a lot. I definitely think it is stopping the
run again, if you're facing a good run team. Whenever
I see a lot of people going, you know, this
team's terrible against the run, it's like, well, yeah, they
don't have the players, and.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
What are they gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Draft a bunch of two hundred and sixty pound linebackers
watch college.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That guy does not exist.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
There are a lot more I saw the clip of.
I honestly, I haven't watched much Ohio State this year
just because they are beating the shit out of everybody.
I mean, obviously they're elite, but whoever their best player
is that pass rusher. I saw some clips I was like,
got this guy? I think Dame Brugler. I was reading
an article. I forget the kid's name, but he's a baller.
(30:06):
It looks like Michah Parsons. There's just a lot of
Micah Parsons. Look at the best defensive lineman, and Abdul
Carter was like, Michah Parts's two point zero the Ohio
State guy. There are a lot of guys like that.
There aren't a lot of like this guy's an all
around pass rushing, defensive, run stuffing edge guy, So it's
you get paid to rush the passer college too?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Really a good question.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
My question for the pod is do you share the
same optimism as me when it comes to the Chargers
chance of winning the Super Bowl in the next year.
I think we have a major advantage with Jim having
familiarity with the players in the draft and having a
top five quarterback, two great tackles, some young studs, and
some young weapons. Thanks and advantage, I would buy Charger stock. Right,
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Let's just let's just say this the Chargers were on
the stock market, and let's just say they are currently
a one hundred dollars stock. I'd be like, I easily
could see this thing going to three fifty in the
next three years.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'm here's what I do know with Jim Harbaugh that
one hundred dollars is not going to be fifty, right,
So now is it going to go to one seventy
five or is it going to go to four hundred
and fifty. I do think it has a huge upside.
So I was telling someone this the other day. Though
the Slater injury, like he had a devastating the injury,
there is a chance that he's never the same but
(31:24):
you got joeled, so it's it wouldn't be as crippling,
but you just gave him a lot of money so
that that could impact financially the salary cap a little
bit if he's never the same, which I'm rooting for
him to get it right. But it was bad, and
I think it was like iyuk right, ligaments, knee. I
mean it's anytime, the patella, the ligaments, the acl. It's
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a problem question for the show. Do you think Lafleur
is that bad of a coach?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I've never said that. This might be confirmation by it.
I've never been high on Love, but I personally think
j low, Oh, that's Jordan Love. I get thrown off
sometimes when I see that. I started thinking about Jennifer,
who still looks fantastic at fifty five. Isn't as good
as people think. No one complained about Lafleur when he
revolutionized Roger's career, or when Love was on a heater
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going into the Dallas game. I don't think he forgot
out of coach. Love's inconsistency and bad turnovers make him
an average quarterback and he needs a good run game
to put up points. I just don't think generally it's
good business to fire a coach who instantly became a
top candidate available every other team looking. Would every other
(32:39):
team looking, But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I don't think
he'd be a lock to get a job if he
got fired, but I do think he'd.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Have a pretty good chance.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I think someone mentioned this the other day with Atlanta.
I'm with you on Love. I mean, sometimes you get
in business with a quarterback who is valued because his
stock's a little higher. But that's this highs he's ever
gonna reach. But he's not that bad. Your standard is
so high. So like Jordan Love is held to that
standard of the heater and the way he played against Dallas.
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We're clearly the last couple of years. Like he's solid.
Like if you do a good job, you got good
personnel round him, you're gonna win ten to twelve games, right,
they won eleven last year? Want one to five in
the division?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They what are they?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Five to three and one? So that's nine games. So
if they went I guess if they won eight, it
got eight games left four and four, you'd probably want
to go like five and three, you get ten wins
it's ten eleven win quarterback with an awesome defense. Yeah,
it's not great. I mean you'd want a little bit
more for the money. Yeah, I think you might be
(33:41):
on I would say Lafloor. If I get pick one,
I'd probably take Jordan Love. Like I think what Jordan
Love is. He's somewhere like ten to fifteen and it's
on you as a team builder to build the right team.
But he's better than a lot of quarterbacks. A lot
of people talk about Jordan Love. I love the next
Trevor Lawrence. He has elite traits like Lawrence, and they
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both have high ceiling playoff moments. However, they don't process well.
Both pick up injuries and have some wild brain fade
and accuracy moments. Are they actually good quarterbacks beyond the traits?
I would take Jordan Love over Trevor Lawrence. I would,
But I'm not a Trevor Lawrence guy at all. Most
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quarterbacks are gonna have massive brain farts, right, and that
includes the top guys. But you can live with it
because the top guys are so elite. If we go
with the crew like after five or six, right, So
you're talking the daks, the Purdies, the Jordan loves like
in that world. Right, I wouldn't even.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Put Trevor Lawrence in that world.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
CJ. Stroud, Like, you gotta live with the good in
the bat and that's most people. Like most people are
not Michael Jordan or Lebron James, but like you can
compete for a championship with the high level all star.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Right, most people are.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Not show Hao Time or Aaron Judge, but you can
win a ton of games with like the Dude Seattle
and the Twins half. So I just think it's easy
to see all the negative and just write the guy off.
But also there was a law of averages, Like you
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went from Farv to Rogers. Farv, who is a won
three straight MVPs, won a Super Bowl, went back to
another is widely considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time. You upgraded. Think about that, you upgraded. It
was now Montana is better than young But same deal.
Anytime you go back to back Hall of Famers at
quarterback for twenty plus years, it's unheard of the third guy.
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It's like the forty nine ers third guy was Jeff Garcia.
He was going to Pro Bowls. They were going to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Like, that's that's pretty good. It's actually pretty impressive that
you were able to transition to a guy.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
That you drafted too. I just think he's kind of
held to his own standard in the Dallas playoff game
what Packer fans are used to with Rogers.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And also, like their.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Defense is sweet, So it's like, you got a sweet defense.
We need more wins. Shit, Bo Knicks skips balls half
the game and.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
They still find ways to win. No, granted they have
like I think they have like fifty sacks through like
early November. How come velocity isn't the thing. I'd love
to know how hard Kleb Williams throws the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I never hear any of my buddies in the league
bring it up. I'm pretty sure it's tracked because they
definitely track speed, like speed we know fast guys are running,
which is Bill Simmons is a funny rant, like, so
what the guy's running twenty two miles? Now, what does
that even mean? Like there's no context. Right if I say, hey,
Jordan Love threw seven touchdowns in the game, we would
(36:45):
all know, like that's incredible, right, or so and so
through four interceptions in the game, you're like, oh, that's
that's like historically bad.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Right, two pick sixes.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
But you give me these miles an hour compared to what, like,
compared to a golf cart, compared to like, did Deshaun
Jackson run thirty miles an hour? Do you run twenty? Like?
I don't know, So I'm with you on the velocity
they do the they do it at the combine. I'm
not sure it's a great question. I could text someone
in the NFL and find that out. Do you guys
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see stats on how hard guys are throwing? Caleb is
Caleb has a fucking cannon. Which sport has the widest
and narrowest gap between college and professional levels? Football, basketball,
or golf? Appreciate all you do in congrats on becoming
a father.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I love this question.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I would say, like, there are a lot of guys
on the Alabama LSU field. When I say a lot,
like there's a percentage of people, I would say fifty
percent of the players. So if there's twenty two guys
Alabama LSU, but there's more than that because you got
rotating guys in the out Let's just say thirty guys,
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give or take, are consistently playing for both teams. So
it's sixty players. You know, probably thirty to thirty five
of those guys are gonna be NFL draft picks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Same thing with Alabama, Georgia or you know, Oklahoma, Georgia,
like the big time Ohio State, Oregon. You got a
ton of draftable guys. But even the guys that don't
get drafted, like they wouldn't be a good player by
any means. They could just play a game at right guard. Now,
if you're like a right guard and you're not, maybe
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you go to a rookie mini camp. Maybe you don't,
Maybe you just your career ends as a three year
starter at LSU at right guard, you could go to
the NFL and play a game. Now you might be terrible, right.
I think in basketball there is a pretty big difference
between because we see it all the time, like in
the tournament, smaller schools.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Beat bigger schools.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I actually think there's a smaller gap between just the
dude playing points guard at Alabama that won't be an
NBA player but could play a game with NBA players
and kind of fit in for a game. Now, could
he make a career of it.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Obviously not.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I think the gap in golf.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Is pretty wide.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think as someone that watched and I've played with
a lot of college golfers, there's a pretty big difference,
which was being like on the golf team at UCLA
and playing on the PGA Tour, right, I think it's easy.
It's by far the easiest if you are a Division one,
especially a power for player, to make it to OTAs
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or even make it to like a week of training
camp doesn't mean you're going to play in the NFL,
doesn't mean you'll ever sniff a practice squad. I think
it's easier to do that than it is just I
played at UCLA and I played in a couple of
tour events. That is way more difficult to do. To
make an NBA roster unless your dad's Lebron is very hard.
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So I would say football, the GAP's probably the smallest.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Golf.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
For basketball, i'd lean is the widest.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Great question.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
In baseball, I would say baseball is a little like golf.
It's just so hard to get there. I saw a
headline like, could Kyler Murray go play baseball? You think
Kyler Murray, who's been making was he making forty forty
five million dollars a year, who was the number one
overall draft pick, who signed a thirty five million dollar contract,
(40:32):
is gonna get on a fucking bus even if they're like, hey,
we'll let you go to Double A. You think he's
gonna go to Double A. I think I have a
better chance of teeing it up at the Masters or
coaching the New York Football Giants. Then Kyler Murray does
playing minor league baseball games on buses for six months
a year, because you don't just go to the bigs hell,
(40:54):
you're not even close to the bigs If he tran
when's the last time you think he played baseball?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So I just laughed.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I'm like, these are like unnamed NFL executives saying this.
You think he's gonna go to the minor leagues? I
think he'd be more likely to just retire and just
go chill then play minor league baseball after experience what
he's experienced, I would be I'd fall out of my chair.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'd be that stunted. I'd be shell shocked.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Why does the NFL allow super slow motion to review
catches and fumbles but refuse it for false starts and
push push plays. Keep hearing real time it's too hard
to officiate. Well, it has something to do with like
dead ball fouls, right, I can't review. There was a
play I think it was in the Niner Rams game.
(41:43):
It was like fourth and two and Kittle came in
motion and before they can snap the ball, he has
to become set. Well, they threw the flag saying he
wasn't set. He ended up getting a completion, was a
first down, but they said it was you know, he
wasn't set. So the play did in and they got
a five yard penalty. Even though they replayed and Tom
Brady was like, he's definitely set.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
They screwed up.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
But you can't you can't challenge that, right, just like
I can't challenge if they don't call it on the
field my guard tackle jumping early, But I can I
can challenge in the once the ball is snapped. I
can challenge a lot of those plays. Now. I don't
think you can challenge like past interference anymore. But you
can't challenge like defensive holding. But I don't know. I
(42:27):
I you'd have to ask like Andy Reid and the
guys on the on the competition committee, how they pick
and choose that. Belichick's whole thing always was, you should
be able to challenge any given play. I have two challenges,
and if I get it right, I get it back
or whatever. And if I get it wrong, I lose
the timeout or whatever the rule is. We know, do
(42:48):
I know the rules? You get two challenges. If you
get a challenge wrong, you lose a challenge and you
lose the time out. Pretty sure that's right. But his
whole thing was, you should be able to challenge any play.
I should be a challenged if you're off sides, if
they're whatever. But they are just unchallengeable plays. And uh,
I don't know. They tried the past interference thing. It
clearly didn't work. Love the show. I would like your
(43:14):
thoughts on firing real life people versus firing of NFL
players and head coaches. Thanks, well, I think a major difference.
Why you know? For example, I mean I literally talk
about this stuff for a living. When you get fired
at a regular person job, typically you're an at will employee,
(43:34):
and most human beings don't have contracts, right, so when
you have a contract, as Brian Dball does, I don't
even know the details of his contract. Let's just make
him up. Let's say he still had next year on
his contract as well, they would owe him. Let's just
pick a number seven and a half million dollars for
next year in twenty twenty six. So does anyone ge
(43:56):
to feel even Mi Kafka, who will probably get fired at.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
The end of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Let's just I hope he doesn't, but it's probably making
two million dollars.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
So when NFL.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Players, like, if you're a guy whoever, it's one thing.
If you're like an undrafted free agent, you get fired,
you didn't make any money, so you have a lot
in colm with the regular person.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
But like when an.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Older veteran guy gets fired one, they owe him any
of the guaranteed money that they haven't paid him in
two Like he has money, so like part of the
reason we all work is to provide for our families. Right,
the reason I'm doing this podcast is to generate money
to pay the bills here, right, Obviously I enjoy doing this,
but if it didn't pay, I couldn't. I'd have to
(44:40):
find something else to do, like the mortgage. Just do
every month, right, My my air conditioning bill is really
high because I like it cold, but I mean that
doesn't pay itself. So a huge part why we feel
sympathy for a normal human being who gets fired from
his job.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I have as well.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
When I did not get my contract renewed in Philadelphia,
I didn't have any money coming in. My contract ended,
They're like, hey, we're not renewing it. It's like it
just over. Like a lot of people, you just you
just end. Now you can get unemployment or whatever. But
most the average income in America is what like sixty grand.
Now it depends where you live, Like in California it's higher,
in North Dakota it's lower. But like I feel like
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Brian Kelly just they owe n fifty three million dollars
James Franklin, but it's not even just him, Like the
position coaches now in the NFL make five hundred to
nine hundred thousand dollars. They're they're the top like one
and a half percenters in America. So they just have
more now. Listen, their life's hard and their public figures
(45:39):
and people talk shit about him coaches, you know, and players.
But as Don Draper said, that's what the money's for.
You know, I think the dude that gets fired with
no money and no contract would gladly have some people
talking about him for ten million dollars. I know that,
so I would say the big difference is just the
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money now obviously, like if you're a CEO of a company,
you actually have more in common with players and coaches.
I'm a huge Niner fan, and my buddies a Vikings fan.
(46:22):
With both of the teams looking like a wash, we're
debating which team, the Vikings with the Niners can get
back to competing quicker the Niners. If they win this week,
they would be seven and four with the Panthers, the Browns,
and the Titans. So like the Niners probably get ten wins,
there's a decent chance depending on how the Bears go. Obviously,
the Niners and Bears play each other, but the Bear
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schedule gets really hard that if the Niners got the
ten and the Bears only got the nine, even if
the Bears beat them, the Niners would be the seventh seed.
The Niners will make the playoffs, so regardless of how
many guys they've lost with injury, which is a lot,
they still could make the le even if they're one
and done, like that's a I think that's a pretty
impressive accomplishment given that their backup quarterback, you know, won
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them five games potentially, and we'll see if perty's how
many games he's able to play if he goes back.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
If I was a.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Head coach with the newly drafted quarterback, I think there
are three main things I would want to see from
him in this first year. Every game, I'd want him
to make at least two or three high level NFL
throws every game. I'd want him to learn from and
correct at least one mistake made in the previous game.
By the end of the season. I'd want him to
just simply look better than he looked in the beginning,
even if his stats don't change much. And if I
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knew I was guaranteed to not get fired, I wouldn't
care at all about how many games we won as
long as the quarterback looks like our guy. Is there
anything you would add to this, Well, usually the guys
are playing on bad teams. You're going to be throwing
twenty five thirty forty times a game, so I'm going
to need more than two or three throws I would need.
(47:55):
I would need like specific examples of we'd need improvement
in the red zone throughout the season. We would need
improvement on third down throughout the season. Situations of understanding
like I'm getting nitty gritty football here, but how to
handle different pressures, the understanding of the offense in relation
(48:17):
to pressures and coverages, and knowing where to go when
I need to go there obviously rapport with my skill.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I think there's a naturally like the learn from one mistake.
I mean, that's that's just football one on one. You know,
you play a game, the coaches go over the film
and then they correct it with you. It's like Kyle
Shanahan's big thing is most coaches, you know, like in
a locker room, when you win a game, they're like,
see you Wednesday. He they work every Monday because he
(48:47):
believes that you know, by Wednesday, you've already forgotten a
lot of the game. So when you go over the
corrections with the coach, like it's you have like a
two and a half day gap where he automatically I
don't know exactly what time it is, maybe it's like noon,
but they just do film correction even if they're not
gonna practice. And I mean that's that's you started doing
that stuff in high school. So to me that the
(49:07):
correction stuff is natural. But I think it's more you
would like to see if there's a certain defense or
pressure that he struggles with. The more and more he
sees that, the more and more he adapts to it.
Obviously you would naturally Probably it's the NFL, so you're
gonna be in some close games. How he handles two minute,
four minute situations? How he handles can he get us,
(49:29):
you know, in a game winning field goal situation? Can
he run out the clock if we have a ten
point lead with six minutes left? Can he lead a
drive that you know helps get five six minutes off
the clock? Obviously some of that it's on the running back.
But and then there's the stuff that it's hard to quantify,
like what's he like his practice habits, what times he
get into the facility, how's he you know, his film
(49:52):
study ability of the opponents, working with the backup quarterback,
working with a quarterback coach, you know, approaching recovery. Right football,
the seasons a lot longer in the pros that like
even Ohio State or Notre Dame, if they play fifteen
games like you're automatically playing seventeen right, so you just
playing more games. And even in the college situation, you
(50:15):
play the twelve Like if you're Notre Dame, you play
twelve games. And then let's say you make it to
the national championship. Well, you got a two week break
before the first playoff game, then you got a ten
day break, like there aren't you get one bye? You're
playing Thursday games. You just it's the NFL season.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Is a marathon.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
So how you handle that improve on you know, the
way you go about it to make it easier on yourself.
Obviously it's a learning experience, but I think there are
a lot of intangible stuff that a guy can improve on.
Well is experience. I mean, I'm a huge believer and
the more you do something, the naturally better you get
at it. A lot of people are hitting me up.
I got asked the question, would I'd rather have one guy?
(50:56):
I got two running backs. One running back guarantees me
one hundred yards every single game, no more, no less,
or one running back that guarantees me two yard to carry,
no more, no less. And a lot of people said, well,
you can use that running back in two point situations.
Basically every two pointer or you would get in every
short yard of situation you would get as well. It's like, yeah,
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maybe I didn't think of that. I do believe if
I'm an offensive coach, especially if we have a good offense,
I should be pretty good in short yardage. I might
not have the push push, but I the one hundred
yard back. I think it's really valuable if you're a
good team, because I can run up the clock in
the third and fourth quarter. So I hear a lot
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league to feed Monday night football games through NFL Plus
stream for free while Google and Disney duke it out.
Seems fair to the consumer, and I'm sure the NFL
wouldn't want to lose ratings. I saw the ratings college
football in the NFL are just naturally down a little
bit for Monday Night Football and College Game Day, which
makes sense. I mean, there's a lot of us that
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just don't have access to it. I would imagine this
is one of those situations. Where they will get louder
the longer this goes, and they will need a solution.
Because you have to remember, too, who's the NFL in
business with for the direct package all the games YouTube
TV that they have, They have the NFL package, So
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the NFL is in business with both these two people.
Now at the end of the day, like this is
probably the last thing they want to be, like, they
just want all their games on TV for everyone to consume.
But this is I would imagine they've probably already made
some just quiet, preliminary kind of overtures like hey, guys,
(53:43):
what's going on? You give it like a month of
no Monday Night football for YouTube TV consumers. People are
gonna get antsy. And I'm talking rog I'm talking the
owners like this this is their bread and butter. This
is where they make their money. What if I told
you the ESPN and YouTube will collude against them trying
to screw them, You never know. You can convince me.
(54:05):
I saw some funny conspiracies about Nico Harrison in the
NBA and Luca. I mean, I've always had some too.
I've never known exactly how to connect it all. I
just always thought something was shady it's crazy, you know,
you make a big trade in the NFL or just
sports in general, like it can go wrong, right the
Micah Parsons thing, there's risk involved in that. For the Packers,
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you're giving them a ton of money. You're giving up
two first round picks, Sas Gardner, Like all these trades,
there is no guarantee. Even when the Eagles traded for
aj Brown, it's like, he better be an elite player.
We're given him a ton of money, and a lot
of times when we're trading for a great player, you
feel pretty good about it. I don't think the Luca
trade in the middle of the night with Nico Harrison
(54:49):
is just It's just one of those. The most NBA
story of all time was Sham's reporting that Nico was
going to be fired in two more he scheduled to
meet in two hours. That's where like conspiracy me who
just falls sports for a long time, goes, did Nico
leak two shams that? Like, I got a meeting. I
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know they're gonna fire me because that's what I'd probably
put my money on. But pains me. I hate the Lakers,
But skinny Luca, I think he's averaging like seventy five
points a game and just dominating the league. It's just
one of those that I think it's the worst one
of all time. I really do like we have some
of those going on right now in the NFL. It's
like Daniel Jones is playing great for the Coles. I
think all Giants fans go, listen, he never was gonna
(55:33):
do that for us, Or like Christian McCaffery gets traded
from the Panthers and then a year later he has
like one of the great seasons of all times, Like
that wasn't gonna happen here. But if you're like a
MAVs fan, like Luca was doing that here. He was
All NBA every single year. He took us to the finals.
What the bleep is going on? And he goes like, sweet,
I'm out have fun.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Here's Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
I just I that one man all timer.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
The volume m HM
The volume. What is going on everybody? How are you
doing out there in the real world? Hopefully well, because
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Thursday night football is upon us, and let's just keep
our fingers crossed that is a better game than.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Last week, because that was tough. But we will prevail.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We'll keep our head down and we'll just keep swinging
and talking some ball and luckily there's a lot going on.
AJ Brown made some headlines, some thoughts on Nick Sirianni McCarthy.
That'd be Mike McCarthy betting favorite currently New York Giants.
Something to keep an eye on. Paul de Podesta, the
guy that played Jonahill, played him as character in Moneyball
(00:52):
with Billy Bean. I think last week left to the UH.
I know last week left. I haven't talked about it
yet though, to the Colorado Rockies because remember, he's a
baseball guy and just left the Browns high and dry.
Not that the Browns are sad to see him go,
but definitely want to touch on that. And then we'll
do a mail bag as well, and listen, you guys
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with the Eagles because Aj Brown had some headlines again today.
I think it's funny if you would have told someone
twenty years ago, it's like, yeah, this, you know, famous
wide receivers who's having some issues with his quarterback, the
offense not throwing him the ball, made some comments. Oh
where do you make comments? He tell a newspaper report
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or something. He may mentioned something on the local radio station. No,
he was actually U I don't even know. I watched
the clip. I don't even know if he was playing
video games. Clearly there was someone playing video games and
he was on Twitch talking to the guy.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
It's like, you stream video games and a bunch of
people watched. There's actually a bunch of multi millionaires that
became famous just on this thing called Twitch, and a
lot of little kids actually now just watch people on
YouTube play video games.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's really popular. You'd be like, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm like, yeah, AJ Brown said, h don't take me
on my fantasy or on your fantasy team. He's like, well,
it's not even factually incorrect, Like he's kind of onto something.
But I was thinking about this as someone who's about
to have a child, and I do believe ideally As
you get older, you learn to manage stress better, right,
especially for men. When we're younger, we can be volatile.
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We definitely can fly off the handles. It's something that
I've worked on. I still continue to work on the
way I handle stress, my emotions. And as you get
more on your plate, you have more people depending on you.
You gotta be able to handle yourself when shit hits
the fans sometimes anyone can handle themselves. I don't care
what you're doing when things are going well. What about
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when things go poorly? And it's why I say it
all the time. In football, it's impossible to judge what
a position code coach will be like as a coordinator
or a head coach because they have no pressure on
them from the outside. They really do not No one
talks about position coaches. But the moment you become an
offensive or defensive coordinator, not only does everyone know your name,
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if you have a bad game, everyone wants you fired.
And if you become a head coach, you not only
are being asked questions about those guys, You're also being
asked questions about yourself and everything going on in the team.
So your ability to handle stress and crazy situations are
something that you have to become numb to and numb
too fast because if you do not, it'll eat you alive.
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And that's just a random football team, let alone a
team like the Philadelphia Eagles that are in one of
the biggest media markets in America and are just a
highly polarizing team. You're in year out. And the other
thing is like the owner and the GM are kind
of unphased by controversy at this point. Honestly, it feels
like they welcome in at times. So being a head
coach in that organization is not that easy. And here's
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the thing, you know, and I've been I'm guilty of this.
I'll be the first to admit it. I've been hard
on Sirianni over the years. But like he's fifty five
and twenty two, he's just won the Super Bowl, Like
there's not much to say. I mean, at this point
in time, Mike Tomlin was talked about like he was
Bear Bryant meets Bill Walsh back fifteen years ago. Look
at Mike Tomlin. Hasn't won a playoff game in nine
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or ten years, goes nine to eight every year. People like, oh,
you on scholarship will be a coach of the Pittsburgh
Steelers for life.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
People like, what is Sirianni's deal?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Why know this?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
He handles a lot of shit, and specifically with his
quarterback in AJ Brown, and he does it pretty well.
And like at this point in time, AJ Brown's proving
I googled it today. I was like, did any Eagles
I remember when they traded for him? They gave him
a contract, and I'm pretty sure they gave him a
large contract extension within the last eighteen months, and that's true.
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Last year twenty twenty four, they gave him three years
ninety six million dollars. I'm no mathematician, but pretty sure
that's on average thirty two million dollars a year. And
when you're someone like AJ Brown, I say it all
the time, when you are the elites, even if your
stats are down, you typically see every penny of your contract.
So when Hawie Roseman trades him to someone this offseason,
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which I'm sure is going to happen, that money's gonna
keep flowing into a J.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Brown.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
So he's a great example. I've never had that much money,
but I do subscribe to the opinion that money doesn't
buy happiness. It does buy boats and mansions and private
planes and send.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Your kids to private school, but it does not make
you internally happy when you're a wide receiver and they're
not throwing you the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
AJ Brown is living proof of that. But Sirianni has
to deal with this and he has to answer to
this every single week multiple times, because he speaks on Monday,
or excuse me, yeah, he speaks on Monday. He usually
speaks on Wednesday, he speaks on Friday, and then he
speaks again after the game.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Because that's what you have to do as a head coach.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
And the number one question they're asking you about when
Aj throws flames back to the fire, is this if
he's able to make a long run in the playoffs,
even if he's just in the championship game. Again, like,
this is a type situation that I would say melts
a lot of teams. You know, people have talked about
this over the years. I think pat Riley coined the
disease of me. I remember. I think it was like
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John Lynch or John Gruden or one of those guys
told the story about after they won the Super Bowl,
you know, the next year, it looked like everyone was
pulling up the training camp and a little nicer car.
You had a couple more holdouts.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
People wanted raises.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's part of the deal, and it's I'll be honest,
I think it's easy to coach the underdog. It's easy
to start at the bottom and starn't working your way up.
The wind blows the strongest at the top of the mountain,
and most coaches crumble in the situation. I actually think
Siriani has done a really good job. So I actually
kind of understand the more you've seen this situation and
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the more he's kind of held it together, of why
they value him. And Jeffrey Lewie said this before. He's
great with working with people, And wasn't that what we
said about Tomlin for so long? His ability to like, God,
look at Antonio Brown, I mean shit, really look at
him now. My wife was like, have you seen this
story on Antonio Brown. I'm like Maria, any headline for
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Antonio Brown, I would say, over ever since his feet
got burned. My first reaction is I'm out.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
So I've seen it, but I have no opinion, and
I refuse to click on the article. But Tomlin got
a lot of credit because the moment he got rid
of him, he was cut by the other team within
like two weeks of training camp. And I'm not saying
aj Brown is that obviously, but these are situations that
would destroy coaches that don't have the ability to handle
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their team and can't handle the stress and can't handle
the arrows on top of like his team on a
weekly basis is like not playing great. So he's trying
to hold that together. He's got an offensive coordinator who's
under fire. So I think Nick Sirianni has had a really,
really impressive year. Speaking of a guy that's had an
impressive year, he hasn' even done anything. It's Mike McCarthy
(09:06):
and last year was fired. I was like, I think
one of these teams is gonna hire him. Turns out
he didn't get hired, And now it's looking like jobs
are coming open left and right, and there are not
many Ben Johnson's and Mike Vrabels out there. So when
I saw the headline from Pro Football Talk that Mike
McCarthy is now the betting favorite to be their next
(09:26):
head coach, I went makes some sense. And I've been
saying Mike Tomlin if the Steelers, you know, crash and burn,
which they're in the middle of crashing and burning as
we speak. But when you're the New York Giants, like
they've tried all these coordinators and they have blown up
in their face. Clearly this time around, they're gonna go out.
If Mike Vrabel was on the market, they would have
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been crazy to not offer him like twenty million dollars
a year, Like they need someone with the chops that
has been a head coach and someone that's had success.
That's why I thought Mike Tomlin makes some sense, but
sometimes I forget because he's kind of out of site,
out of mind. Mike McCarthy, he checks a lot of
boxes first and foremost. He coached Aaron Rodgers and the Packers,
which is, you know, it's weird because they're in such
(10:09):
a small little town. My buddy Chris, who was just
actually there a couple of days ago, was taking me
pictures of like how I've never been there.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
But the.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You know, the community just surrounds Lambeau Like it's obviously
the smallest market in the league, but one of, if
not the biggest brand and it's ebbed.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
And flowed a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I wouldn't say it's the biggest brand in twenty twenty five,
but it's it's a top four or five brand in
the league because they've been winning for three and a
half decades. I gave the stat the other night, they've
been thirty two straight years.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
I wanning a football.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Thirty two straight years.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I won a football. You don't do that unless you win.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And Mike McCarthy can handle the bright lights. He just
worked for Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys, which is
obviously the most valuable franchise but also the most talked
about franchise and the most polarizing franchise, the one where you
literally answered the owner.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because he's also the GM. So like Mike.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
McCarthy, if you're like, well, how's he gonna handle the
New York market, you know for a fact that he
can handle it because for almost twenty years he goes
the Packers and the Cowboys and then two you go, Okay,
he can handle you know, the big picture, the media,
you know, being the headman. What about his chops to coach? Like,
can he develop a quarterback? It's like he literally developed
(11:26):
Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott, when he became the play caller,
had one of I think, if not his best statistical
season of his career. So I would say Mike McCarthy
is known as an offensive quarterback guy. So if you're
looking for someone from Jackson Dark, you could make the
argument if me and you were sitting in a room
and we were talking, like, if we had two options,
(11:47):
we can't we have We're gonna have access to Mike
Tomlin or we can get Mike McCarthy. Well it's like,
I don't think we go. Really, if you're the Giants,
you would die for either, like they will just get
you going on the right track. Look what he did
for Dallas, because you're like, well he didn't win in
the playoffs. The Giants would die to just be in
the playoffs. The Giants would just die to be in
the playoff mix. Come December first, let alone December thirty first,
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let alone playing a January game. Pretty sure they've been
to one playoff game. I guess two because they won
it the two games they played in with day Ball
whatever three years ago. In the last basically decades since
twenty sixteen, So just getting there is a.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Huge achievement for this franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
And I think if we were talking like who should
we hire, Mike Tomlin or Mike McCarthy, well we go.
We do have Jackson Dart and he's going to need
someone to work with him because while he does have
a lot of talent, we need to mold it and
we need to get the best out of him. Like
obviously Tomlin can lead the group, but like he's not
coaching the quarterback right, I've seen Mike Tomlin deal with
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quarterbacks all over the map post Big Ben. I think
Mike McCarthy might win out in that situation. So I
think the downfall of McCarthy has really been like can
get over the hut multiple times with Aaron Rodgers and
obviously couldn't win playoff games with Dak Prescott and the
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Dallas Cowboys at home. He lost two home playoff games
to the forty nine ers and to the Packers. That
it's hard to shake that in the first round. It
really is. But I would say if I'm Joe Shane,
Mike McCarthy would make a lot of sense the Browns
and Paul D.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Podesta.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
One piece of advice I give because I do agree
like Coward's big thing is with advice. It's really hard
to give generic advice to people when everyone's path is
so different. Everyone has different desires everyone most people want
to attain different things. So to give one individual piece
(13:47):
of advice to like generically over and over is not
going to resonate with a lot of people. And I'm like,
I completely agree with that. But any young person that says, hey,
I'm a senior in college or hey, i'm fresh out
of coledge, I want to get involved in sports, the
one piece of advice I will continually give is, if
you want to do it, you got to go all
(14:08):
in on it and just handle not making much early
on to try to get over the hump you know,
at some point in time in your career, ideally earlier
than later, but it's gonna be tough sledding early on.
You are not gonna make very much money. And if
you do, take a real world job, if you're like,
you know, I'm just gonna try. Like, hey, I got
an offer from Morgan Stanley. I had a buddy I had.
(14:31):
I wouldn't call him a buddy. I had an acquaintance.
The guy that was reaching out and asked me for advice.
Finally called and said, listen, I got an offer. I
think it was from like Chase bank. I said, hey,
you take this job, which I don't blame you at all.
You're gonna make way more money over the course of
the next couple of years than you ever would working
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in sports marketing, working in whatever path that you wanted
to take in college athletics. But just know this, if
you do accept that job, never coming back, because you'll
start making money, you'll start living in a different lifestyle,
and it's going to be very very different, very hard
to transition. I can only speak for myself, but I
never had a plan B. And I'm not like I
(15:12):
had options to work at Chase banker Wells Fargo, but
I never did that. I only did one thing, and
I was pretty singular minded when it came to where
I wanted to go and what I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Attempt to achieve.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
And I actually saw I clicked on a YouTube video
the other day of Matt Patricia and I don't know
if I forget it was a podcast or an interview,
and he basically said that early on, Remember he was
an aerospace engineer. I think he played college football and
he had a big offer out of college. I think
to make like you know, this is twenty five years ago,
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twenty years ago, early two thousands or late nineties, to
like a six figure job at like you know, one
of the military industrial blockie Martin or.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
One of those.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And then a guy in college football, like a former
coach or something offered him actually like a GA spot
or an assistant coaching for like five thousand dollars, and
he trusted his gut and he followed his passion, and
his family thought.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
He was on drugs.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And You've heard a lot of stories like that from coaches.
But I do think you have to pick a path
and not look at other options, because if you look
at other options, I think it's people talk about this
all the time in the dating world and like what's
wrong with young people. It's like, well, if you can
see these dating apps, like it's just this. There weren't
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that many options.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
In the fifties.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That's why a lot of people in the fifties and
sixties like married the first person they dated. I mean,
the world wasn't as flat bend. You didn't have access
to the person in the town next to you, let
alone states so you just couldn't communicate. You just kind
of took what you could get and you just you
guys rolled with it her too. I mean it's two
way street. And I saw Paul d. Podesta left the
(16:57):
Cleveland Browns and no one truly what his role, like
how much juice he had. He clearly had enough juice
because even he was quoted in an article about Deshaun
Watson of like we all own this.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It's like we do all own this?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Like who was the guy pounding the table and said
this is a good idea to trade for this guy.
Obviously the owner had to okay it and give him
the money. But like, were you one of those.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Guys that said it was a good idea? Cause if
you did, you own that?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right? It was Stefanski saying that, because if so, he
owns that. If he wasn't, then he does not own this.
And I think Paul de Pedesta is a good example
of a guy that helped Shephard a record of fifty
six ninety nine and one that he had other options
because he wasn't.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
A football guy. He's a baseball guy.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
And as it got uglier and uglier, he just became
the guy running the Colorado Rockies. He said, see, you
guys have fun. I'm jumping off this boat literally going
to another one, and my life's gonna be fine. And
I just got another four or five year contract, probably
paying me two three, four five million whatever. You guys
are fucked, And I started thinking about this.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Most people in football.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Have been Plan A. There is no Plan B players.
Most players all day focus on in their young careers,
like how do I get better at football? What do
I gotta do a football? What do I have to
do to get my next contract? And they are pretty
singular minded of just trying to improve and being the
best player possible. Most coaches and executives are the same thing,
Like you don't coach football for like twenty years and
(18:27):
at forty five, like I'm gonna just start selling insurance.
Not really the way it works. You've worked on this craft.
You're all in. If you're just a scout out there
at forty years old and you've been doing it for
since you were twenty three, like you don't have much
real world experience, like I'll just so start working at
Wells Fargo. You don't have those options. But Paul D.
Podesta got involved with all these other guys, right, we're
(18:50):
just football guys. That's what they do. They're football gms,
football coaches. Yet he could always jump ship because I
don't care what he says. He could always kind of
put his foot in the other pond of baseball.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
And he literally just did this, and he leaves these
guys high and dry. So I think it's a good
example in whether it's sports or whatever, when you get
into someone who is not all in on what you
are doing, especially in a pressure pack business, right like football,
like basketball, like baseball, like.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Finance, you name it. It doesn't just have to be sports.
If that guy has other options and you don't, he
will leave you. And that's exactly what happened. And Paul
de Podesta will leave a stain on this organization. When
you say his name, I don't even think at this
point in time, you think of Jonah Hill and Billy
Bean in Moneyball. I think of the guy that helped
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really ruin the Browns, like make them a complete laughingstock,
and he doesn't care. He'll probably buy some big ass
house in Denver and be at spring training and the Browns.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Are their problem.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Now, I I think you know this starts with Jimmy Haslam.
When you hire people from outside situations that aren't that
work their way up in football, like Nick Cassario. Let's
use him as an example of the Houston Texas. They
obviously got a big comeback win the other day, but
let's just say the season would have imploded, right. It's
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not like he has the option of like, you know what,
I'll just go run the Houston Astros, or you know what,
I'll just go up give pat Riley.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
A call and go work with the Miami Heat.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
He's a football guy.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
His entire life has been dedicated to football, and most
specifically the NFL. That wasn't Paul deep Podesta. So I
think the Browns wanted to look cute, they wanted to.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Think outside the box.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It got them a lot of media credit at the
beginning of the situation because he's an intellectually, you know,
viewed as like a high level just a lot of
brain power up there, right, But who cares if you
don't know what you're doing, which he clearly did not.
And then when the house was on fire, he didn't
(21:05):
grab a hose and help put it out. He literally
just got in his.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Car and drove off.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
So if I was a Cleveland Brown fan, my first
reaction to this guy would be like, fuck you excuse
my language. Their children, and last, but not at least,
Brock party. I saw a headline today, Oh it's not
a headlines as a story that Marvin Harrison Junior is
a penaciitis. He's out this week. He's gonna be gone
for a couple of weeks, and they have I saw
(21:31):
a headline today that the Arizona Cardinals had to do
a walk through a practice on Wednesday afternoon because they
have so many injuries. Clearly there in shambles. They just
got their just doors blown off by the Seattle Seahawks,
and there they got problems. They play the forty nine
ers this week in Glendale. It'll be I would guess
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eighty percent forty nine er fans. I mean, I mean
it's always the majority forty nine er fans, but now
that the Cardinals suck it. If you told me it
was close to ninety percent, I believe you. I was
of the opinion if Brock perty unless he is one
hundred percent and can't get reinjured, I'm just rolling with
Mac Jones. Now, I'm not naive. I'm not dumb. My
decision is I didn't just give him two hundred million dollars. Literally,
(22:12):
Jed York guaranteed him a hundred and eighty eight million dollars.
The way pro sports work, I'll never forget it. When
I was a kid, the Sacramento Kings had Chris Weber,
and we were so awesome. We had Mike Bibbie, we
had Peigio, we had Vlattie, we had Bobby Jackson, we
had Hiito Turklu.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Team was bad ass.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
And then Chris Weber tore his knee and then the
next season he couldn't play for like eighty percent of it.
And I'm pretty sure the Sacramento Kings had the best
record in the NBA. Well, they had just give him
like one hundred million dollars, And this was twenty five
years ago. He was gonna start the moment he could
quote unquote play, and that's what he did. And then
the team fell apart and it was never the same
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and Chris Weber's career basically ended. It was the beginning
of the end, and it was also the beginning of
the end of the Sacramento Kinks. But there is pressure
when you pay a guy a lot of money and
you know you can't lose your job to injury. Is
the old adage, and there's some truth to that, But
when you get paid a premium, there is no not
only not losing your job, which he never was going
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to do, but the moment you can play, the coach
and the organizations going to put you back in. I
just believe this that Mac Jones has played really well
this season, and he has a couple of games just
like last week against the I mean, he's played the
Rams twice and he lit him up like Christy, He's
looked fantastic. Now, if Brock Purty is healthy, I would
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take Brock Purdy over Mac Jones. And I like Mac Jones,
but Rock Purty's proven he's a better player. I do
think there's a lot of pressure on him this week
because let's face it, when Brock plays, he's one of
the most polarizing guys in the league. That's not going
to change this week. If it doesn't go well. They're
going to be favored in this game. They are favored
in this game, and the Cardinals are viewed as a
team that's about to completely unravel. So to me, I
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just hope, for everyone's sake so we don't have to
talk about it all week, Brocking to show up, assuming
he plays, and just play well, because if he doesn't
and they were to lose, then I think we got
a big story on our hands, especially if pierceall by
all accounts looks like he is going to practice this
week and potentially play come Sunday, It'll just be a
(24:16):
big story, and it'll be a big story fast.
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Speaker 1 (26:01):
We're gonna do a mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John
Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMS questions answered
here on the show again just my name on Instagram.
DMS wide open and we will start with uh, We'll
start with Ben huge fan of the show and the Packers.
When looking at the NFC North, who is the best
(26:22):
position for success over the next two or three years.
I feel like our options are limited now with so
much money tied up in Parsons in Love, and I
feel like we went from the best young team in
the league to dog shit in the blink of I
would you're not that bad. I would say the Lions
are the only team with a quarterback who's proven, Like
(26:44):
I mean, Jared gos been playing at a high level
for a long time. Caleb's They're about to play a
lot of big games. You know, it's one thing to
light up the Bengals, the Cowboys or the Giants. Let's
see how he plays against Packers. Hes got two games
against the Packers defense. I don't know, We'll see, right.
JJ McCarthy is not only a major wild card. I
mean it looked like Justin Jefferson was quitting on him
(27:04):
in his fourth start, And I would say, you guys,
I mean, there's just a lot of pressure right now
on the floor. Even the people that cover the Packers
are like, this guy's fighting for his job now. So
Dan Campbell not only is not fighting for his job,
he's the best coach the Lions I've ever had, and
obviously Jared Goff, which is a solid quarterback. But the
other thing is they're well positioned because like Aiden Hudson
(27:28):
is a star, like Brian branch is a high end player,
Right Laporta, Amen raw Sewel Gibbs, Montgomery, Jamison Williams, like
these guys are all young and under contract. So I
would still lean the Lions. We're gonna learn a lot
about the Lions this week. I think the other night
on Monday Night, I said that Philly was going back
(27:50):
to back road games. Was wrong on that one. My bad,
And as I say, my bads, get your ass kicked podcasts,
they don't. They just mistakes and we move on. The
Philadelphia Eagles are hosting the Lions, so it's that's that's
a big game for the Lions.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
More it's actually a bigger game for the Lions than
the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I think as a defensive coordinator today's league, is it
tougher to defend the run or the pass?
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Love the show?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I think it depends on your personnel. I would say
for most guys, given their personnels, if you have a
good running game, it's harder to stop the run. Right,
twenty thirty years ago, you had a bunch of big
run stuffing guys in your front seven, linebackers included. I mean,
how many guys in the league would he be? Like,
(28:37):
this guy's a downhill run stuffer. Like I love Fred Warner.
He's a Hall of Fame player. Fred Warner is a
sideline to sideline, beats guys on angles. He's not like
meeting Lorenzo O'Neill or Mike Alstott in the hole and
shedding him and making the tat. It's not really how
he plays, you know. So I just think that the
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style of player is a lot different now at linebacker,
and just a lot of teams don't employ like three
hundred and forty pound defensive lineman because they have no
pass rush and a lot of times you just got
to beat passers. And even if you're playing like a
rushing team, if they got a good quarterback like Lamar Jackson,
like having a three hundred and forty pound guy there,
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it's like, well, what's he gonna do chase down Lamar Jackson?
You know So it's I just think the personnel has
changed a lot. I definitely think it is stopping the
run again, if you're facing a good run team. Whenever
I see a lot of people going, you know, this
team's terrible against the run, it's like, well, yeah, they
don't have the players, and.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
What are they gonna do?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Draft a bunch of two hundred and sixty pound linebackers
watch college.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That guy does not exist.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
There are a lot more I saw the clip of.
I honestly, I haven't watched much Ohio State this year
just because they are beating the shit out of everybody.
I mean, obviously they're elite, but whoever their best player
is that pass rusher. I saw some clips I was like,
got this guy? I think Dame Brugler. I was reading
an article. I forget the kid's name, but he's a baller.
(30:06):
It looks like Michah Parsons. There's just a lot of
Micah Parsons. Look at the best defensive lineman, and Abdul
Carter was like, Michah Parts's two point zero the Ohio
State guy. There are a lot of guys like that.
There aren't a lot of like this guy's an all
around pass rushing, defensive, run stuffing edge guy, So it's
you get paid to rush the passer college too?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Really a good question.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
My question for the pod is do you share the
same optimism as me when it comes to the Chargers
chance of winning the Super Bowl in the next year.
I think we have a major advantage with Jim having
familiarity with the players in the draft and having a
top five quarterback, two great tackles, some young studs, and
some young weapons. Thanks and advantage, I would buy Charger stock. Right,
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Let's just let's just say this the Chargers were on
the stock market, and let's just say they are currently
a one hundred dollars stock. I'd be like, I easily
could see this thing going to three fifty in the
next three years.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'm here's what I do know with Jim Harbaugh that
one hundred dollars is not going to be fifty, right,
So now is it going to go to one seventy
five or is it going to go to four hundred
and fifty. I do think it has a huge upside.
So I was telling someone this the other day. Though
the Slater injury, like he had a devastating the injury,
there is a chance that he's never the same but
(31:24):
you got joeled, so it's it wouldn't be as crippling,
but you just gave him a lot of money so
that that could impact financially the salary cap a little
bit if he's never the same, which I'm rooting for
him to get it right. But it was bad, and
I think it was like iyuk right, ligaments, knee. I
mean it's anytime, the patella, the ligaments, the acl. It's
(31:48):
a problem question for the show. Do you think Lafleur
is that bad of a coach?
Speaker 2 (31:54):
No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I've never said that. This might be confirmation by it.
I've never been high on Love, but I personally think
j low, Oh, that's Jordan Love. I get thrown off
sometimes when I see that. I started thinking about Jennifer,
who still looks fantastic at fifty five. Isn't as good
as people think. No one complained about Lafleur when he
revolutionized Roger's career, or when Love was on a heater
(32:18):
going into the Dallas game. I don't think he forgot
out of coach. Love's inconsistency and bad turnovers make him
an average quarterback and he needs a good run game
to put up points. I just don't think generally it's
good business to fire a coach who instantly became a
top candidate available every other team looking. Would every other
(32:39):
team looking, But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I don't think
he'd be a lock to get a job if he
got fired, but I do think he'd.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Have a pretty good chance.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I think someone mentioned this the other day with Atlanta.
I'm with you on Love. I mean, sometimes you get
in business with a quarterback who is valued because his
stock's a little higher. But that's this highs he's ever
gonna reach. But he's not that bad. Your standard is
so high. So like Jordan Love is held to that
standard of the heater and the way he played against Dallas.
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We're clearly the last couple of years. Like he's solid.
Like if you do a good job, you got good
personnel round him, you're gonna win ten to twelve games, right,
they won eleven last year? Want one to five in
the division?
Speaker 2 (33:18):
They what are they?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Five to three and one? So that's nine games. So
if they went I guess if they won eight, it
got eight games left four and four, you'd probably want
to go like five and three, you get ten wins
it's ten eleven win quarterback with an awesome defense. Yeah,
it's not great. I mean you'd want a little bit
more for the money. Yeah, I think you might be
(33:41):
on I would say Lafloor. If I get pick one,
I'd probably take Jordan Love. Like I think what Jordan
Love is. He's somewhere like ten to fifteen and it's
on you as a team builder to build the right team.
But he's better than a lot of quarterbacks. A lot
of people talk about Jordan Love. I love the next
Trevor Lawrence. He has elite traits like Lawrence, and they
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both have high ceiling playoff moments. However, they don't process well.
Both pick up injuries and have some wild brain fade
and accuracy moments. Are they actually good quarterbacks beyond the traits?
I would take Jordan Love over Trevor Lawrence. I would,
But I'm not a Trevor Lawrence guy at all. Most
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quarterbacks are gonna have massive brain farts, right, and that
includes the top guys. But you can live with it
because the top guys are so elite. If we go
with the crew like after five or six, right, So
you're talking the daks, the Purdies, the Jordan loves like
in that world. Right, I wouldn't even.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Put Trevor Lawrence in that world.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
CJ. Stroud, Like, you gotta live with the good in
the bat and that's most people. Like most people are
not Michael Jordan or Lebron James, but like you can
compete for a championship with the high level all star.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Right, most people are.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Not show Hao Time or Aaron Judge, but you can
win a ton of games with like the Dude Seattle
and the Twins half. So I just think it's easy
to see all the negative and just write the guy off.
But also there was a law of averages, Like you
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went from Farv to Rogers. Farv, who is a won
three straight MVPs, won a Super Bowl, went back to
another is widely considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time. You upgraded. Think about that, you upgraded. It
was now Montana is better than young But same deal.
Anytime you go back to back Hall of Famers at
quarterback for twenty plus years, it's unheard of the third guy.
(35:42):
It's like the forty nine ers third guy was Jeff Garcia.
He was going to Pro Bowls. They were going to
the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Like, that's that's pretty good. It's actually pretty impressive that
you were able to transition to a guy.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
That you drafted too. I just think he's kind of
held to his own standard in the Dallas playoff game
what Packer fans are used to with Rogers.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And also, like their.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Defense is sweet, So it's like, you got a sweet defense.
We need more wins. Shit, Bo Knicks skips balls half
the game and.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
They still find ways to win. No, granted they have
like I think they have like fifty sacks through like
early November. How come velocity isn't the thing. I'd love
to know how hard Kleb Williams throws the ball.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
I never hear any of my buddies in the league
bring it up. I'm pretty sure it's tracked because they
definitely track speed, like speed we know fast guys are running,
which is Bill Simmons is a funny rant, like, so
what the guy's running twenty two miles? Now, what does
that even mean? Like there's no context. Right if I say, hey,
Jordan Love threw seven touchdowns in the game, we would
(36:45):
all know, like that's incredible, right, or so and so
through four interceptions in the game, you're like, oh, that's
that's like historically bad.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Right, two pick sixes.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
But you give me these miles an hour compared to what, like,
compared to a golf cart, compared to like, did Deshaun
Jackson run thirty miles an hour? Do you run twenty? Like?
I don't know, So I'm with you on the velocity
they do the they do it at the combine. I'm
not sure it's a great question. I could text someone
in the NFL and find that out. Do you guys
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see stats on how hard guys are throwing? Caleb is
Caleb has a fucking cannon. Which sport has the widest
and narrowest gap between college and professional levels? Football, basketball,
or golf? Appreciate all you do in congrats on becoming
a father.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I love this question.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
I would say, like, there are a lot of guys
on the Alabama LSU field. When I say a lot,
like there's a percentage of people, I would say fifty
percent of the players. So if there's twenty two guys
Alabama LSU, but there's more than that because you got
rotating guys in the out Let's just say thirty guys,
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give or take, are consistently playing for both teams. So
it's sixty players. You know, probably thirty to thirty five
of those guys are gonna be NFL draft picks.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Same thing with Alabama, Georgia or you know, Oklahoma, Georgia,
like the big time Ohio State, Oregon. You got a
ton of draftable guys. But even the guys that don't
get drafted, like they wouldn't be a good player by
any means. They could just play a game at right guard. Now,
if you're like a right guard and you're not, maybe
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you go to a rookie mini camp. Maybe you don't,
Maybe you just your career ends as a three year
starter at LSU at right guard, you could go to
the NFL and play a game. Now you might be terrible, right.
I think in basketball there is a pretty big difference
between because we see it all the time, like in
the tournament, smaller schools.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Beat bigger schools.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I actually think there's a smaller gap between just the
dude playing points guard at Alabama that won't be an
NBA player but could play a game with NBA players
and kind of fit in for a game. Now, could
he make a career of it.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Obviously not.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I think the gap in golf.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Is pretty wide.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
I think as someone that watched and I've played with
a lot of college golfers, there's a pretty big difference,
which was being like on the golf team at UCLA
and playing on the PGA Tour, right, I think it's easy.
It's by far the easiest if you are a Division one,
especially a power for player, to make it to OTAs
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or even make it to like a week of training
camp doesn't mean you're going to play in the NFL,
doesn't mean you'll ever sniff a practice squad. I think
it's easier to do that than it is just I
played at UCLA and I played in a couple of
tour events. That is way more difficult to do. To
make an NBA roster unless your dad's Lebron is very hard.
(40:00):
So I would say football, the GAP's probably the smallest.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Golf.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
For basketball, i'd lean is the widest.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Great question.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
In baseball, I would say baseball is a little like golf.
It's just so hard to get there. I saw a
headline like, could Kyler Murray go play baseball? You think
Kyler Murray, who's been making was he making forty forty
five million dollars a year, who was the number one
overall draft pick, who signed a thirty five million dollar contract,
(40:32):
is gonna get on a fucking bus even if they're like, hey,
we'll let you go to Double A. You think he's
gonna go to Double A. I think I have a
better chance of teeing it up at the Masters or
coaching the New York Football Giants. Then Kyler Murray does
playing minor league baseball games on buses for six months
a year, because you don't just go to the bigs hell,
(40:54):
you're not even close to the bigs If he tran
when's the last time you think he played baseball?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So I just laughed.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I'm like, these are like unnamed NFL executives saying this.
You think he's gonna go to the minor leagues? I
think he'd be more likely to just retire and just
go chill then play minor league baseball after experience what
he's experienced, I would be I'd fall out of my chair.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I'd be that stunted. I'd be shell shocked.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Why does the NFL allow super slow motion to review
catches and fumbles but refuse it for false starts and
push push plays. Keep hearing real time it's too hard
to officiate. Well, it has something to do with like
dead ball fouls, right, I can't review. There was a
play I think it was in the Niner Rams game.
(41:43):
It was like fourth and two and Kittle came in
motion and before they can snap the ball, he has
to become set. Well, they threw the flag saying he
wasn't set. He ended up getting a completion, was a
first down, but they said it was you know, he
wasn't set. So the play did in and they got
a five yard penalty. Even though they replayed and Tom
Brady was like, he's definitely set.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
They screwed up.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
But you can't you can't challenge that, right, just like
I can't challenge if they don't call it on the
field my guard tackle jumping early, But I can I
can challenge in the once the ball is snapped. I
can challenge a lot of those plays. Now. I don't
think you can challenge like past interference anymore. But you
can't challenge like defensive holding. But I don't know. I
(42:27):
I you'd have to ask like Andy Reid and the
guys on the on the competition committee, how they pick
and choose that. Belichick's whole thing always was, you should
be able to challenge any given play. I have two challenges,
and if I get it right, I get it back
or whatever. And if I get it wrong, I lose
the timeout or whatever the rule is. We know, do
(42:48):
I know the rules? You get two challenges. If you
get a challenge wrong, you lose a challenge and you
lose the time out. Pretty sure that's right. But his
whole thing was, you should be able to challenge any play.
I should be a challenged if you're off sides, if
they're whatever. But they are just unchallengeable plays. And uh,
I don't know. They tried the past interference thing. It
clearly didn't work. Love the show. I would like your
(43:14):
thoughts on firing real life people versus firing of NFL
players and head coaches. Thanks, well, I think a major difference.
Why you know? For example, I mean I literally talk
about this stuff for a living. When you get fired
at a regular person job, typically you're an at will employee,
(43:34):
and most human beings don't have contracts, right, so when
you have a contract, as Brian Dball does, I don't
even know the details of his contract. Let's just make
him up. Let's say he still had next year on
his contract as well, they would owe him. Let's just
pick a number seven and a half million dollars for
next year in twenty twenty six. So does anyone ge
(43:56):
to feel even Mi Kafka, who will probably get fired at.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
The end of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Let's just I hope he doesn't, but it's probably making
two million dollars.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
So when NFL.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Players, like, if you're a guy whoever, it's one thing.
If you're like an undrafted free agent, you get fired,
you didn't make any money, so you have a lot
in colm with the regular person.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
But like when an.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Older veteran guy gets fired one, they owe him any
of the guaranteed money that they haven't paid him in
two Like he has money, so like part of the
reason we all work is to provide for our families. Right,
the reason I'm doing this podcast is to generate money
to pay the bills here, right, Obviously I enjoy doing this,
but if it didn't pay, I couldn't. I'd have to
(44:40):
find something else to do, like the mortgage. Just do
every month, right, My my air conditioning bill is really
high because I like it cold, but I mean that
doesn't pay itself. So a huge part why we feel
sympathy for a normal human being who gets fired from
his job.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I have as well.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
When I did not get my contract renewed in Philadelphia,
I didn't have any money coming in. My contract ended,
They're like, hey, we're not renewing it. It's like it
just over. Like a lot of people, you just you
just end. Now you can get unemployment or whatever. But
most the average income in America is what like sixty grand.
Now it depends where you live, Like in California it's higher,
in North Dakota it's lower. But like I feel like
(45:18):
Brian Kelly just they owe n fifty three million dollars
James Franklin, but it's not even just him, Like the
position coaches now in the NFL make five hundred to
nine hundred thousand dollars. They're they're the top like one
and a half percenters in America. So they just have
more now. Listen, their life's hard and their public figures
(45:39):
and people talk shit about him coaches, you know, and players.
But as Don Draper said, that's what the money's for.
You know, I think the dude that gets fired with
no money and no contract would gladly have some people
talking about him for ten million dollars. I know that,
so I would say the big difference is just the
(46:00):
money now obviously, like if you're a CEO of a company,
you actually have more in common with players and coaches.
I'm a huge Niner fan, and my buddies a Vikings fan.
(46:22):
With both of the teams looking like a wash, we're
debating which team, the Vikings with the Niners can get
back to competing quicker the Niners. If they win this week,
they would be seven and four with the Panthers, the Browns,
and the Titans. So like the Niners probably get ten wins,
there's a decent chance depending on how the Bears go. Obviously,
the Niners and Bears play each other, but the Bear
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schedule gets really hard that if the Niners got the
ten and the Bears only got the nine, even if
the Bears beat them, the Niners would be the seventh seed.
The Niners will make the playoffs, so regardless of how
many guys they've lost with injury, which is a lot,
they still could make the le even if they're one
and done, like that's a I think that's a pretty
impressive accomplishment given that their backup quarterback, you know, won
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them five games potentially, and we'll see if perty's how
many games he's able to play if he goes back.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
If I was a.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Head coach with the newly drafted quarterback, I think there
are three main things I would want to see from
him in this first year. Every game, I'd want him
to make at least two or three high level NFL
throws every game. I'd want him to learn from and
correct at least one mistake made in the previous game.
By the end of the season. I'd want him to
just simply look better than he looked in the beginning,
even if his stats don't change much. And if I
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knew I was guaranteed to not get fired, I wouldn't
care at all about how many games we won as
long as the quarterback looks like our guy. Is there
anything you would add to this, Well, usually the guys
are playing on bad teams. You're going to be throwing
twenty five thirty forty times a game, so I'm going
to need more than two or three throws I would need.
(47:55):
I would need like specific examples of we'd need improvement
in the red zone throughout the season. We would need
improvement on third down throughout the season. Situations of understanding
like I'm getting nitty gritty football here, but how to
handle different pressures, the understanding of the offense in relation
(48:17):
to pressures and coverages, and knowing where to go when
I need to go there obviously rapport with my skill.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I think there's a naturally like the learn from one mistake.
I mean, that's that's just football one on one. You know,
you play a game, the coaches go over the film
and then they correct it with you. It's like Kyle
Shanahan's big thing is most coaches, you know, like in
a locker room, when you win a game, they're like,
see you Wednesday. He they work every Monday because he
(48:47):
believes that you know, by Wednesday, you've already forgotten a
lot of the game. So when you go over the
corrections with the coach, like it's you have like a
two and a half day gap where he automatically I
don't know exactly what time it is, maybe it's like noon,
but they just do film correction even if they're not
gonna practice. And I mean that's that's you started doing
that stuff in high school. So to me that the
(49:07):
correction stuff is natural. But I think it's more you
would like to see if there's a certain defense or
pressure that he struggles with. The more and more he
sees that, the more and more he adapts to it.
Obviously you would naturally Probably it's the NFL, so you're
gonna be in some close games. How he handles two minute,
four minute situations? How he handles can he get us,
(49:29):
you know, in a game winning field goal situation? Can
he run out the clock if we have a ten
point lead with six minutes left? Can he lead a
drive that you know helps get five six minutes off
the clock? Obviously some of that it's on the running back.
But and then there's the stuff that it's hard to quantify,
like what's he like his practice habits, what times he
get into the facility, how's he you know, his film
(49:52):
study ability of the opponents, working with the backup quarterback,
working with a quarterback coach, you know, approaching recovery. Right football,
the seasons a lot longer in the pros that like
even Ohio State or Notre Dame, if they play fifteen
games like you're automatically playing seventeen right, so you just
playing more games. And even in the college situation, you
(50:15):
play the twelve Like if you're Notre Dame, you play
twelve games. And then let's say you make it to
the national championship. Well, you got a two week break
before the first playoff game, then you got a ten
day break, like there aren't you get one bye? You're
playing Thursday games. You just it's the NFL season.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Is a marathon.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
So how you handle that improve on you know, the
way you go about it to make it easier on yourself.
Obviously it's a learning experience, but I think there are
a lot of intangible stuff that a guy can improve on.
Well is experience. I mean, I'm a huge believer and
the more you do something, the naturally better you get
at it. A lot of people are hitting me up.
I got asked the question, would I'd rather have one guy?
(50:56):
I got two running backs. One running back guarantees me
one hundred yards every single game, no more, no less,
or one running back that guarantees me two yard to carry,
no more, no less. And a lot of people said, well,
you can use that running back in two point situations.
Basically every two pointer or you would get in every
short yard of situation you would get as well. It's like, yeah,
(51:17):
maybe I didn't think of that. I do believe if
I'm an offensive coach, especially if we have a good offense,
I should be pretty good in short yardage. I might
not have the push push, but I the one hundred
yard back. I think it's really valuable if you're a
good team, because I can run up the clock in
the third and fourth quarter. So I hear a lot
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of people pushing back on that. But maybe I'm a
sucker for one hundred yard rusher. And if you play
seventeen hundred and seventeen game, it's gonna have seventeen hundred
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rights to their games, would it be possible for the
league to feed Monday night football games through NFL Plus
stream for free while Google and Disney duke it out.
Seems fair to the consumer, and I'm sure the NFL
wouldn't want to lose ratings. I saw the ratings college
football in the NFL are just naturally down a little
bit for Monday Night Football and College Game Day, which
makes sense. I mean, there's a lot of us that
(53:01):
just don't have access to it. I would imagine this
is one of those situations. Where they will get louder
the longer this goes, and they will need a solution.
Because you have to remember, too, who's the NFL in
business with for the direct package all the games YouTube
TV that they have, They have the NFL package, So
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the NFL is in business with both these two people.
Now at the end of the day, like this is
probably the last thing they want to be, like, they
just want all their games on TV for everyone to consume.
But this is I would imagine they've probably already made
some just quiet, preliminary kind of overtures like hey, guys,
(53:43):
what's going on? You give it like a month of
no Monday Night football for YouTube TV consumers. People are
gonna get antsy. And I'm talking rog I'm talking the
owners like this this is their bread and butter. This
is where they make their money. What if I told
you the ESPN and YouTube will collude against them trying
to screw them, You never know. You can convince me.
(54:05):
I saw some funny conspiracies about Nico Harrison in the
NBA and Luca. I mean, I've always had some too.
I've never known exactly how to connect it all. I
just always thought something was shady it's crazy, you know,
you make a big trade in the NFL or just
sports in general, like it can go wrong, right the
Micah Parsons thing, there's risk involved in that. For the Packers,
(54:28):
you're giving them a ton of money. You're giving up
two first round picks, Sas Gardner, Like all these trades,
there is no guarantee. Even when the Eagles traded for
aj Brown, it's like, he better be an elite player.
We're given him a ton of money, and a lot
of times when we're trading for a great player, you
feel pretty good about it. I don't think the Luca
trade in the middle of the night with Nico Harrison
(54:49):
is just It's just one of those. The most NBA
story of all time was Sham's reporting that Nico was
going to be fired in two more he scheduled to
meet in two hours. That's where like conspiracy me who
just falls sports for a long time, goes, did Nico
leak two shams that? Like, I got a meeting. I
(55:10):
know they're gonna fire me because that's what I'd probably
put my money on. But pains me. I hate the Lakers,
But skinny Luca, I think he's averaging like seventy five
points a game and just dominating the league. It's just
one of those that I think it's the worst one
of all time. I really do like we have some
of those going on right now in the NFL. It's
like Daniel Jones is playing great for the Coles. I
think all Giants fans go, listen, he never was gonna
(55:33):
do that for us, Or like Christian McCaffery gets traded
from the Panthers and then a year later he has
like one of the great seasons of all times, Like
that wasn't gonna happen here. But if you're like a
MAVs fan, like Luca was doing that here. He was
All NBA every single year. He took us to the finals.
What the bleep is going on? And he goes like, sweet,
I'm out have fun.
Speaker 2 (55:53):
Here's Anthony Davis.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
I just I that one man all timer.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
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